The Rest Is Money
Robert Peston and Steph McGovern bring you insightful business and finance stories. Join Robert Peston and Steph McGovern as they delve into the key challenges and opportunities facing today’s business world. From the complexities of tech investments to the impact of political decisions on global markets, this podcast offers valuable perspectives on current financial topics. Whether discussing business funding, economic policies, or corporate strategies, they provide listeners with the tools to understand today’s fast-evolving market. Each episode brings expert analysis on important issues, including market regulations, economic recovery, and the forces shaping the future of work. Robert and Steph bring you the latest insights from influential leaders and top entrepreneurs, making this podcast a must-listen for anyone interested in business growth, financial trends, and the evolving economic landscape. For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com.
Episodes
May 6, 2026 • 53 mins
Could the government’s creditors protect Starmer and Reeves, even if Labour is humiliated in the elections? How high are UK interest rates going to rise because of Trump’s Iran war? Has monetary policy stopped working? Could AI actually lead to the creation of millions of new jobs? And is coal consumption in the 19th Century a good way to predict this?
Steph and Robert dissect the Bank of England’s latest assessment of the UK e...
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May 3, 2026 • 42 mins
If household debt as a percentage of GDP is at its lowest since 2002, why are debt charities seeing record levels of demand? Is this a temporary problem because of the cost of living crisis or about much bigger structural problems in the UK economy? Plus, what is ‘co-erced debt’ and why is it a growing problem?
Steph talks to Vikki Brownridge the CEO of the debt advisory charity StepChange about what’s really going on for the i...
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April 29, 2026 • 44 mins
How much did Brexit cost the UK? Would rejoining make us much richer? And if US managers are PSG players, are British ones more like Aston Villa’s?
Robert talks to Stanford Professor Nick Bloom about his influential forecast, recently adopted by Rachel Reeves, that quitting the EU made Britain 8% or £240bn poorer than it would otherwise have been.
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April 26, 2026 • 52 mins
How long will Starmer cling on for? Will politicians sucking up to Northerners make any difference to the North South divide? What’s the latest with the Strait of Hormuz and how is it impacting global prices? How is that feeding through to inflation here? Is Miliband right to stop more oil being drilled in the North Sea and what’s his plan to bring down energy bills?
After another week of Mandelson drama, Robert takes us behind ...
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April 22, 2026 • 53 mins
Is it fair that only some businesses have access to Anthropic’s super-powerful Mythos AI, given its ability to pierce cyber defences? Will OpenAI go bust? Will Demis Hassabis win the AI wars?
Robert Peston talks to Sebastian Mallaby about his biography of British AI genius Demis Hassabis, The Infinity Machine.
Note: We contacted OpenAI for comment, who told us that 'the article revisits old, widely reported episodes and frames ...
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April 19, 2026 • 51 mins
Why are one million young people not in education, employment or training? Is the benefits system part of the problem? Are schools out of date? What’s the alternative?
Steph talks to former health minister Alan Milburn – who is leading a review into NEETS -about the systemic health and structural barriers to work. They discuss the cost to the economy and the alarming stat that if a young person doesn’t get a job by the time they...
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April 15, 2026 • 46 mins
What’s the point of the government’s new £500m sovereign AI fund? How is the government planning to avert AI Armageddon? Isn’t it time for AI to be permanently in the classroom not banned from it?
Robert talks to AI Minister Kanishka Narayan to explore the government’s strategy for a trillion-dollar British AI ecosystem-and whether the UK can truly scale a sovereign challenger to rival the likes of OpenAI, Anthropic and Gemini....
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April 12, 2026 • 54 mins
Why are governments failing to notice how AI is replacing many jobs now? If AI replaces all or most jobs, how can governments replace all the lost taxes? Who will pay for public services and stop us from starving?
Robert sits down with Monzo founder Tom Blomfield to hear his revolutionary plan to reform the tax system for an AI world.
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April 8, 2026 • 41 mins
What’s a ‘finfluencer’ and why are they getting in trouble with the regulators? How much of a problem is dodgy tax advice given on social media? What part does financial literacy play in all of this? And is the law finally catching up?
Steph talks to Stella Creasy - MP for Walthamstow and a prominent consumer rights campaigner - about her latest mission to stop the rise of unregulated financial advice on social media.
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April 5, 2026 • 37 mins
What difference would wider adoption of AI have in our struggling public services? Is it the answer to the UK productivity problem? Why does the government struggle to "buy British" when it comes to tech? And could a simple software fix save frontline workers 8 hours of admin a week?
In this episode, Robert and Steph are joined by Alex Stephany, the CEO of Beam, a British ‘GovTech’ success story used by two-thirds of UK councils...
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April 1, 2026 • 48 mins
A month into the war in the Middle East, what are investors thinking? Are we heading for a global recession? Who is most exposed? What are the options central banks and governments have for getting through it? What does this mean for the UK economy? How can the government help people with bills without upsetting the bond markets and increase borrowing costs? Plus, what should you be thinking about if you have money in stocks and sh...
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March 29, 2026 • 56 mins
What does Lloyd Blankfein - former boss of Goldman Sachs - think is the biggest threat to financial stability? What did he learn from the credit crunch about dealing with risk? Was the investment bank the ‘vampire squid’ it was described as? Plus, why did his cancer diagnosis have to be kept secret?
Lloyd talks to Robert and Steph about his journey from a housing project in Brooklyn to CEO of Goldman Sachs during the 2008 finan...
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March 25, 2026 • 43 mins
What is retail boss Richard Walker telling Kier Starmer to do in his new role as the PM’s Cost of Living Tsar? Why does he want a temporary cap on the profits of energy and oil companies? How does a supermarket like Iceland handle the price pressures that come from war in the Middle East? And how worried is he about rising employment costs?
Richard Walker - executive chair of Iceland Foods - talks to Steph and Robert about ever...
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March 23, 2026 • 52 mins
Why is the UK economy the most exposed to the harm from Trump’s Iran war? How should Reeves respond? And with resources so tight, which families should be bailed out from rising energy prices?
Steph and Robert explain why Starmer should not waste this crisis, and should take the bold painful decisions to put Britain on a path to higher growth
Since the recording of this episode, Donald Trump announced a five-day extension ...
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March 18, 2026 • 49 mins
The Chancellor claims she is finally focussed on growth, but is it too little too late? Will the EU agree to improve access for British exporters? How much of our taxes will she transfer to metro mayors and what will they spend it on? And why is she still so far behind the curve on AI?
Robert and Steph mark the PM’s homework, as she says she at last has a plan to make us richer.
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March 16, 2026 • 35 mins
How will Keir Starmer protect our living standards from the soaring energy costs caused by Trump’s Iran war? Can the Chancellor afford to subsidise our heating bills? And should the Prime Minister say yes to Trump’s request for British minesweeping drones and ships to be sent to the Straits of Hormuz?
Steph and Robert discuss the options available to the government to limit the economic damage from the Iran war.
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March 11, 2026 • 51 mins
Why are financial markets still failing to price in the true economic costs of "Trump’s war"? How is the UK facing a "double whammy" of both higher interest rates and declining living standards? Why is it considered "ludicrous" to believe the economy could return to normal quickly, even if the war ended tomorrow?
Robert and Steph are joined by Mohamed El-Erian for an urgent deep dive into what the government can do to reduce the e...
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March 10, 2026 • 31 mins
Trump appears to be chickening out again, but has he stopped the wild market fluctuations? Is there another way to move vital energy and commodities that doesn’t involve going through the Strait of Hormuz? How much damage has already been done to the global economy? And what does it mean for your mortgage?
Robert and Steph discuss the latest market turmoil and the wave of companies invoking a “force majeure" clause to suspend co...
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March 8, 2026 • 53 mins
Why is AI changing every job? Why is it insane that schools ban students from using it? How did Marc Warner grow his British tech leader Faculty AI into a £1bn-plus company?
Robert and Steph talk exclusively to Marc Warner as he sells Faculty AI to the world’s biggest management consultancy Accenture, hear how he and his data team persuaded Boris Johnson to lock down at the start of Covid, and how the NHS has destroyed the ear...
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March 4, 2026 • 32 mins
Why hasn’t there been a dramatic increase in the price of oil since Iran’s retaliation aimed at key oil facilities and waterways? Are investors right not to worry too much yet? What will it take to end this? And following Trump’s fury at Starmer over his reluctance to let them use UK air bases, is the special relationship over?
With the continued unrest in the Middle East, Robert and Steph analyse the reaction of investors and ...
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