Apocalyptic Education

Apocalyptic Education

Apocalyptic Education is a podcast series that meets listeners at the intersection of education, health, and societal transformation. Hosted by Tiffani Marie and Kenjus Watson, the podcast unearths the profound impacts of systemic antiblack violence on schools and health, while exploring radical alternatives to traditional schooling. Through engaging discussions with experts in the field, the series uncovers the biopsychosocial effects of antiblackness and champions Black ancestral ways of being.

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May 14, 2025 125 mins

In the Season 2 finale of Apocalyptic Education, Kenjus and Tiffani chop it up with Wendy and Larry White, Simple Ant, and Cassandra Edwards to explore what it means to parent Black children at the end of the world. Framed as a return, both to family and to the original question that closed Season 1, this episode asks: Schools…take them or leave them? This time, instead of young people, it is the parents who respond.

What unfolds is...

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In this continuation of The Legacy of Little Nate, Kenjus and Tiffani sit with Cassandra Edwards and Canada Taylor Parker once again for the conclusion of their unflinching conversation about death, grief, and the slow, grinding violence that Black people ...

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April 16, 2025 52 mins


Potential Activation Warning- The following episode description contains references to suicide. Please take care while reading. We include helpful resources after the description 

In this initial installment of a special 2 part episode, Tiffani and Kenjus chop it up with Cassandra Edwards and Canada Taylor Parker to explore potent intersections between grief, mothering, activism, and the weight of trying to sustain life within ...

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April 2, 2025 74 mins

In this episode, Tiffani and Kenjus chop it up with Dr. Amber McZeal—scholar, artist, and sacred activist—to explore the expansive terrain of decolonizing the psyche, ancestral memory, and the spiritual labor of refusing coloniality. From their first encounters with Amber’s transformative work to the unexpected synchronicities that led to this moment, the conversation unfolds as a meditation on relationality, refusal, and reverence...

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March 19, 2025 81 mins

In this episode, Kenjus and Tiffani reflect on their journey co-writing the Apocalyptic Education paper in 2020, tracing their paths through grief, academia, and spiritual grounding. They revisit the origins of their collaboration, peeling back the layers of their initial skepticism, the tensions of intellectual competition, and the deep ancestral calling that ultimately brought them together.

The conversation weaves through persona...

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March 5, 2025 69 mins

In this episode, Tiffani and Kenjus chop it up with their mothers, Sheryll and Terry, who turn the tables to interview their children on the green couch. This special episode explores the impact of their wisdom on Tiffani and Kenjus' journeys as educators. 

Through critical questioning and listening, Sheryll and Terry elicit from their children a deep exploration of teaching as a calling, with Tiffani and Kenjus recounting earl...

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February 19, 2025 56 mins

In this episode, Tiffani and Kenjus chop it up with Kiazi Malonga, student/teacher of Congolese drumming and culture bearer. Kiazi walks us through the spiritual and communal powers of the Ngoma drum, as vessels of cultural preservation and healing. He shares his journey from the Bay Area, particularly East Palo Alto, to stages around the world.

We explore the impact of his father’s legacy, the late Malonga Casquelourd, th...

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February 5, 2025 105 mins

In this episode, Kenjus and Tiffani chop it up with Moses Omolade, an educator, spiritual practitioner, and advocate for wellness, to explore the intersections of body, spirit, and community. They dive into Moses’ journey from discovering Pilates as a spiritual practice to using hunger strikes as a radical tool of refusal against systems invested in our undoing.

The conversation unpacks how the body holds memory, the power of spirit...

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January 22, 2025 70 mins

In the Season 2 premiere, Tiffani and Kenjus chop it up about freedom, captivity, and Blackness through the lens of two stories about parrots that shift their understanding of autonomy, consent, and belonging. They unpack the layers of maroon science and how it illuminates African Indigenous paths of intergenerational love, navigation, and self-determination.

The hosts reflect on rites of passage and other ceremonies, discussing how...

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April 25, 2024 64 mins

In this episode, Tiffani and Kenjus chop it up among themselves for their Season 1 recap. They explore the balance of calm amid chaos in their attempts to achieve homeostasis during the apocalypse. They discuss rites of passage, initiation, and ceremony as essential components of this balance.

Tiffani and Kenjus also discuss the art of letting go of control. A vignette about a puppet show gone awry shows that the best mome...

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April 11, 2024 85 mins

In Part 2 of The Kids Are Alright episode, we chop it up with about five of Tiffani's former students, spanning her last 20 years of teaching. The group includes a "cool and collective" entrepreneur planning to finish college soon, a program director deeply involved in community work and motivational speaking, a young college student contemplating joining the Armed Forces, a revolutionary artist and event organizer, ...

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March 28, 2024 79 mins

In this episode, we chop it up with about five of Tiffani's former students, spanning her last 20 years of teaching. The group includes a "cool and collective" entrepreneur planning to finish college soon, a program director deeply involved in community work and motivational speaking, a young college student contemplating joining the Armed Forces, a revolutionary artist and event organizer, and a charismatic young pe...

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March 14, 2024 65 mins

In this episode, we chop it up with Tinisch Hollins, a Black San Franciscan activist and critical advocate for the rights of crime survivors, and Apryl Joe, a citizen of the Navajo Nation dedicated to the reclamation of her people's sovereignty. Together, they discuss reparations & Indigenous reclamation, while illuminating the interconnected historical and ongoing fight against settler colonial violence faced by Black and...

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February 28, 2024 94 mins

In this episode, we chop it up with the revolutionary preacha and community leader, Pastor Michael McBride. He shares his unique experiences of the deep impacts of systemic violence, including his personal encounters with police brutality. The discussion delves into the intricate relationship between grief and activism, particularly through Pastor Mike's involvement with 'Live Free', a movement addressing mass incarc...

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In this episode, we chop it up with Drs. Allyson Tintiangco-Cubales and Christine Vega, both mothers and critical professors. We explore Coyolxauhqui and dismemberment, and its relationship to birthing trauma, particularly in the high-pressure pursuit of tenure in academia.

Allyson opens up about her personal journey through infertility, sharing the profound lessons learned and emphasizing the significance of rest in birthing endles...

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In this episode, we chop it up with Kiki Jordan, a renowned midwife based in California. Kiki lends her expertise to our discussion on the radical aspects of home birthing, set against the formidable backdrop of the medical-industrial complex. We explore how Black Autonomous Birthing Communities (BABCs) provide valuable insights for rethinking our transition from schooling to holistic education. Kiki shares wisdom from her birthing...

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January 17, 2024 67 mins

Apocalyptic Education is a transformative journey, presented by Tiffani Marie and Kenjus Watson, two critical Black educators. This audiobook invites listeners to participate in a funeral for schooling, marking the end of a violent regime and the beginning of remembered futures.

Through their personal narratives and research, Marie and Watson explore the deep-rooted traumas inflicted by American schooling systems on Blac...

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