DEVIANT
From the award-winning creators of Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders, comes DEVIANT, a new true crime series that dives into the dark corners of what human beings are capable of. Hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden tell good stories about bad people who do very bad things. Some people are wired for good. Some are wired for bad. And some are wired... to be Deviant. Follow the show wherever you listen and across socials @deviant.podcast (IG, TT, YT)
Episodes
August 8, 2025 • 55 mins
You've been conned, and now you're getting revenge. That's the story of Jonathan Walton, our guest on DEVIANT Off Script. In this episode, Jonathan shares his harrowing experience of being swindled out of nearly $100,000 by a professional con artist who pretended to be his best friend. After years of investigation, he's now dedicated to exposing these scammers and protecting others. He's the author of 'Anatomy of a Con Artist' and ...
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August 5, 2025 • 30 mins
On a summer afternoon hike in Arkansas' Devil's Den State Park, tragedy strikes a family when Clinton and Cristin Brink are attacked in front of their children. The children survive. Their parents don't. The assailant: a mysterious man dressed in black. This episode of 'Deviant' brings you the details of the crime, the immediate police response and the intense manhunt that ensues. Host Dan Szematowicz explores the discovery and ar...
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August 1, 2025 • 41 mins
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In this episode of Deviant Off Script, host Andrew Iden engages in a deep and intense conversation with Clark Fredericks, author of 'Scarred.' Fredericks recounts his harrowing journey of surviving childhood sexual abuse, and the impactful decision to confront and ultimately kill his abuser. He delves into the psychological and emotional turmoil that ensued, his struggles with substance abuse, and his p...
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July 29, 2025 • 37 mins
In this episode of Deviant Summer School, host Andrew Iden sits down with Michael Yoder, a former agent in the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU), here to explain how criminal profiling actually works. From dispelling Hollywood misconceptions to discussing the intricate process of developing profiles, Yoder provides an in-depth look into how the BAU operates in reality.
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July 25, 2025 • 58 mins
We're diving dive deep into the world of polygraphs, interrogations, and lie detection with Brad Beeler, a former Secret Service agent with 25 years of experience. Brad shares insights from his illustrious career in protective services and polygraph examination, including the science behind polygraphs, how investigators use them to detect truth and practical strategies from his new book, 'Tell Me Everything.' Learn how to read body...
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July 22, 2025 • 40 mins
Have you ever wondered how police handle a missing child case? In this episode of Deviant Summer School, retired detective Jeff Bell, who worked for the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office, shares his experiences and insights. He discusses his involvement in the high-profile Carlie Brucia case, the investigative process behind missing child cases and the emotional challenges faced by detectives. Jeff also provides an in-depth look at ...
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July 18, 2025 • 47 mins
(AUDIO ONLY) How do you catch a spy if you're an FBI counterintelligence agent? In this episode of Deviant Off Script, we dive into the 80-year cat-and-mouse game of espionage. Host Dan Szematowicz interviews LaRae Quy, a former FBI agent who spent almost 25 years protecting the U.S. from Russian and Chinese spies. LaRae shares stories from her career, discusses the evolution of counterintelligence through the fall of the Soviet Un...
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July 15, 2025 • 32 mins
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In Part 2 of our DEVIANT Summer School class on homicide investigations, retired Chicago Police homicide Detective Mike Hammond takes us through the intricate process of catching killers. From establishing motive and gathering evidence to working with prosecutors and navigating the complexities of cold cases, Mike shares his extensive experience and insights. He discusses the challenges of dealing with victims' families...
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July 11, 2025 • 39 mins
In this episode, host Andrew Iden talks with Jacob Moon, a US Army veteran and former corrections officer who has transitioned into a true crime writer. Jacob shares his journey from serving in the military to accidentally finding a career in corrections, the challenges and dangers of working behind bars, and the importance of respect and restraint in dealing with inmates. He also discusses how his structured and disciplined backgr...
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July 8, 2025 • 30 mins
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It's Deviant Summer School's deep dive into the world of homicide investigations. Featuring former Chicago homicide detective Mike Hammond, part one of of a two part exploration covers the initial phases of an investigation—from receiving the call and processing the crime scene to gathering critical evidence and interviewing witnesses. Learn about the meticulous steps detectives take within the crucial first few days a...
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July 4, 2025 • 39 mins
From Ted Bundy to Gary Ridgeway, why does the Pacific Northwest produce so many serial killers? Join host Dan Szematowicz as he sits down with Pulitzer Prize winner Caroline Fraser, author of 'Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers,' to try and unravel this bizarre mystery. Caroline and Dan delve into theories, including the lead-crime hypothesis, geographical oddities and our societal obsession with serial k...
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July 1, 2025 • 39 mins
Join us as we kick off our new series, Deviant Summer School, where we bring experts to give in-depth insights into their fields. In this first episode, we talk to Dr. Darrin Porcher, a criminal justice expert with over 20 years in the NYPD. They explore the intricacies of policing in America, discussing geographical differences, crime statistics, the Broken Window Theory, and the daily challenges faced by officers and detectives. ...
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June 27, 2025 • 52 mins
Former FBI agent Jerri Williams shares her extensive career spent catching scammers, con artists, and fraudsters. Williams discusses her unexpected path to the FBI, the challenges she faced as a minority and a woman in the bureau, and her notable cases, including an intriguing credit extortion investigation. She also delves into her endeavors post-retirement, including her work as an author and prolific podcaster, and her collabora...
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June 25, 2025 • 5 mins
In a quiet suburb of Utah, a Mormon man killed his wife, before committing suicide. Multiple neighbors described them as a normal couple whom they had never seen quarrel. But this isn't a whodunit. The police investigation never wavered on who committed the crime. The question is, why? Why did the lives of this seemingly normal couple end in such tragic fashion. Finding the answers will take us from Catholic Italian New Jersey to a...
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June 20, 2025 • 35 mins
The person sitting next to you on the plane may be armed, and that's not a bad thing. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz delves into the secretive world of Federal Air Marshals with David Londo, President of the Air Marshal National Council. David shares his journey from a local police officer to becoming an air marshal post-9/11 and provides insights into the rigorous selection and training process. They d...
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June 13, 2025 • 48 mins
Join Deviant host Dan Szematowicz for a conversation with Dr. Leah Kaylor, a psychologist and sleep specialist at the FBI. Dr. Kaylor shares a wealth of practical tips to enhance your sleep quality, from establishing relaxing bedtime routines to understanding the impact of body temperature and exercise. Learn how she helps FBI agents and law enforcement staff cope with trauma and sleep disturbances. Discover innovative techniques l...
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June 10, 2025 • 27 mins
On May 25, 2025, Grant Hardin, a convicted killer and former police chief, walks out of the North Central Unit in Calico Rock, Arkansas, disguised in a makeshift guard uniform. His escape sets off an intense manhunt involving the FBI, state police, and federal agencies. In this episode of DEVIANT, host Andrew Iden delves into Hardin's dark history, including the brutal 2017 murder of James Appleton and a cold case sexual assault fr...
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June 6, 2025 • 46 mins
(AUDIO ONLY) Former police sergeant Patrick O'Donnell joins Deviant Off Script to discuss his 25-year career with the Milwaukee Police Department, his experiences during the crack wars and his transition to becoming a best-selling author. Patrick shares crazy stories from his time on the force, insights into his post-retirement life and his work helping writers accurately depict police procedures in their work. Patrick's also gives...
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June 3, 2025 • 34 mins
Former journalist Michael Mayo recounts his experience covering the executions of two serial killers for the South Florida Sun Sentinel. Mayo details the emotional journey of interviewing victims' families, and witnessing the executions of Danny Rolling and Aileen Wuornos. He shares his perspective on the death penalty, describing the sterile and surreal atmosphere of the death chamber and reflects on the complex moral and ethical ...
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May 30, 2025 • 34 mins
Sex is an integral part of human nature, but it sometimes intersects with crime in troubling ways. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz sits down with Doug Fifer, a former Anchorage Police Department officer renowned for his work in hostage negotiation and sex crime investigation. Fifer discusses his new book, '50 Shades of True Crime,' which delves into the psychology of sex criminals and the nature of sexua...
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