Wise Men Say

Wise Men Say

The longest-running Sunderland AFC podcast, established in 2013. Up to three shows a week including previews, reaction shows, live shows and feature-length episodes with quality articles live on wisemensay.co.uk Twitter Facebook Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Episodes

August 16, 2025 30 mins
What a way to make our return to the Premier League! Stephen Goldsmith is joined by journalist Ian Murtagh on the full-time whistle, there's reaction to the win from head coach Regis Le Bris, while over at Sheepfolds, Eleanor McCabe is joined by Micky Lough, Jimmy Reay and Richard Easterbrook.

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We are back in the Premier League and we bring you an all-new Preview Show that befits such a status, with bells and whistles, as we look ahead to our return to the promised land. Richard Easterbrook, Stephen Goldsmith and Gareth Barker discuss Sunderland's summer, we introduce our brand new quiz, and we've got special guests Andy Dawson and Sam Delaney from the Top Flight Time Machine podcast to talk about their respective teams -...

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August 13, 2025 12 mins

You may or may not be aware of the issues brought to light this week over the development of Sheepfolds, an area next to the ground. Sir Bob Murray wants the current plans putting in the bin, what's your thoughts?


Listen in.


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Stephen and Jonathan have chat about the two friendly results over the weekend. Did anyone stake a claim for a start, away from the 11 that won in Germany? 

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Stephen, Eleanor and Jonathan share some preseason thoughts. We also checked in with Chris Barbour to get perspective on Marc Guiu who looks to be joining on loan from Chelsea.  

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Stephen and Eleanor went and had a look round the Stadium of Light, where a lot of money has been invested into giving it some much needed TLC. And what a great job they've done!


They caught up with Nick Barnes and Phil Smith about i, while also having the pleasure of interviewing Jimmy Montgomery.


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Sunderland are signing a keeper. Football reporter Sander Janssen from Voetbal International tells Stephen all about Robin Roefs.

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July 30, 2025 34 mins
Stephen Goldsmith is joined by Rick, Eleanor and Jon as we react to the news that Granit Xhaka has signed for Sunderland from Bayer Leverkusen. There's a sentence we weren't expecting to write a year ago!

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July 26, 2025 13 mins

Mick and new(ish) WMS podder Jonathan are in an Edinburgh pub.


Does a defeat here mean anything? Does it? If any team deserve some bigger-picture thinking on that front it's Sunderland after their form going into Wembley. Still some pretty shocking defending though.


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July 16, 2025 37 mins
Stephen Goldsmith is joined by Richard Easterbrook and WMS debutant Jonathan Ellenor to discuss Sunderland's first pre-season friendly of 25-26 and to chat about some players linked with making a move to Wearside imminently...

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Stephen and Rick catch up with transfer guru Sacha Tavolieri to chat about Sunderland's movements in the European market, including the latest on Djordje Petrovic and Chemsdine Talbi as well as the lowdown on confirmed signings Habib Diarra and Noah Sadiki as we assess the almost-immediate impact of new director of football Florent Ghisolfi.

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Stephen, Mick and Jim have a bit of a catchup on all of the recent activity. Sporting Directors, Assistant Coaches and players. Lots to chat about.

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Stephen catches up with Cyril Olives from L'Equipe and Jeremy Beren from That Atleti Pod to talk about Habib Diarra and Reinildo Mandava respectively.

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June 23, 2025 30 mins
The second part of our wide-ranging chat with former Sunderland manager Peter Reid as we discuss his seven-year reign in charge of the Black Cats, including two promotions, our two best top-flight finishes in a generation and a heartbreaking play-off defeat.

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June 20, 2025 36 mins
We meet up with former Sunderland manager Peter Reid and discuss his seven-year reign in charge of the Black Cats, including two promotions, our two best top-flight finishes in a generation and a heartbreaking play-off defeat.

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Think Terry Butcher.


Blood and bandages, Italia 90, Glasgow Rangers and their English invasion, Bobby Robson's Ipswich. He also played for and managed the lads - and, in 2019, he spoke to us as part of our Meet the Managers series. 


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We've delved back into the archives to bring you the second in the Meet the Manager series - today, it's Malcolm Crosby's turn.


Malcolm speaks to us about his early career, how he ended up at his home town team and all about that fantastic 1992 FA Cup run.


This podcast was first released in 2018.


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We've delved into the archives to bring you the first in the Meet the Manager series where we speak to Denis Smith.


Denis talks us through his early years, how he came to be Sunderland manager, how he got Sunderland on the up again after relegation to the third tier for the first time in the club's history, that famous Newcastle Play-Off victory, our season in the top flight and that incredible day against Man City at Maine Road...

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June 16, 2025 61 mins
Stephen, Gareth and Andy Dawson look back at the generational impact that Peter Reid made to the club.

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Stephen Goldsmith, Gareth Barker and Richard Easterbrook talk about the positions Sunderland will need to strengthen as they look forward to their return to the Premier League!

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