Leadership in Black and White

Leadership in Black and White

Leadership in Black and White is a weekly podcast hosted by John Siebeling and Wayne Francis. John and Wayne talk to leaders about how to lead in the gray areas of life and develop you as a Christian leader.

Episodes

March 2, 2026 27 mins
This is part 3 of a live interview we hosted at our annual Make Room Whiteboard Sessions with NBA coach Taylor Jenkins. Taylor coached the Memphis Grizzlies for 6 seasons and is the winningest coach in franchise history. In the interview, we discuss his faith and commitment to church, his story of becoming an NBA head coach, leading through adversity, dealing with criticism and much more. Follow us on Instagram for more great leade...
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This is part 2 of a live interview we hosted at our annual Make Room Whiteboard Sessions with NBA coach Taylor Jenkins. Taylor coached the Memphis Grizzlies for 6 seasons and is the winningest coach in franchise history. In the interview, we discuss his faith and commitment to church, his story of becoming an NBA head coach, leading through adversity, dealing with criticism and much more. Follow us on Instagram for more great leade...
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This is part 1 of a live interview we hosted at our annual Make Room Whiteboard Sessions with NBA coach Taylor Jenkins. Taylor coached the Memphis Grizzlies for 6 seasons and is the winningest coach in franchise history. In the interview, we discuss his faith and commitment to church, his story of becoming an NBA head coach, leading through adversity, dealing with criticism and much more. Follow us on Instagram for more great leade...
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February 9, 2026 28 mins

For many leaders, talking about effectiveness in our job or career can be easy. Finding success professionally can, at times, be all we focus on. But a truly great leader knows the most important area of leadership is in their home. 

In this episode, Pastors John and Wayne talk about some of the challenges and joys of leading your family as well as you lead in life. 

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In this mailbag episode, John and Wayne answer questions from listeners about topics including: staff transitions, leadership mistakes, saying no without feeling guilty, and more. Send in questions for a future mailbag episode by emailing parker@leadershipinblackandwhite.com or by DM'ing us on Instagram. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@l...
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Hear Pastor John Siebeling discuss some of the things and philosophies he's changed his mind about in over 30 years of ministry and why his perspective is different now than it was when he began. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to gr...

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January 19, 2026 22 mins

Some of the most qualified candidates never get the job they want - not because they lack skill or experience, but because of intangible things they may not be paying enough attention to. In this episode, we talk about the subtle factors that often determine who gets hired and who doesn't. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblac...

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January 12, 2026 20 mins

Every leader is faced with this choice: iterate or deteriorate. Pastors John and Wayne discuss the importance of getting better and the difference between innovation and iteration. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your feedback and help the show continue to grow!

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December 22, 2025 25 mins

In this mailbag episode, John and Wayne answer questions from listeners about topics including: keeping people engaged in the vision, what to make public and what to keep private, how to know when you're pushing your team too hard, and more. 

Send in questions for a future mailbag episode by emailing parker@leadershipinblackandwhite.com or by DM'ing us on Instagram. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pa...

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December 15, 2025 18 mins

Every leader is building teams - but what happens when you build teams that actually build and strengthen the teams around them? Pastors John and Wayne discuss the power and impact of a team structure that actually positions your organization for long-term, healthy success. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leav...

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December 8, 2025 21 mins

The end of the year is rapidly approaching - what are you going to do to make 2026 better than 2025? Pastors John and Wayne discuss an underrated leadership discipline that could be the difference between success and failure next year. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating and review to give us your f...

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December 1, 2025 14 mins

Recency bias is a cognitive bias that causes people to give more weight to recent information or experiences, even if older information is more relevant or reliable. Pastors John and Wayne discuss the impact this can have on your leadership and how to know if it's affecting you. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite)....

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November 24, 2025 17 mins

One of the most effective, and biblical, strategies for growing something is to focus on people over processes, profits, and even our own preferences. Pastors John and Wayne discuss the power of a people-first mentality and how to grow in this area of leadership. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a rating ...

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Starting things is fun and exciting, but real leadership is tested when it's time to end something. How do you know when to end a team, product, program or ministry? Pastors John and Wayne discuss practical strategies for knowing when to keep going and when to cut it off. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave ...

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In this mailbag episode, John and Wayne answer questions from listeners like: leadership blindspots in young pastors, what to do about AI, weekly schedule ideas, and more. Send in a question for next month's mailbag episode by emailing parker@leadershipinblackandwhite.com or by DM'ing us on Instagram. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@lead...

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At the end of the day, every pastor wants their church to grow - not just to have a big church - but to reach the people in their community, to serve a city, to do something significant for God. And while there is no exact formula for growing a church, there are certainly things that may be hindering your growth that you might be missing. In this episode, Pastors John and Wayne discuss 10 reasons your church might not be growing ri...

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Part two of a conversation talking with our friend and colleague Jonathan Wilson about all things longevity. He has been in ministry for 40 years and has experienced numerous highs and lows, transitions, and more. This is a rich conversation for any leader looking to be in the game for the long haul! Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leade...

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In this episode, we're talking with our friend and colleague Jonathan Wilson about all things longevity. He has been in ministry for 40 years and has experienced numerous highs and lows, transitions, and more. This is a rich, 2-part conversation for any leader looking to be in the game for the long haul! Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@l...

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October 13, 2025 20 mins

Part 2 of a conversation about sabbaticals: Pastor Wayne has returned from his first ever sabbatical! In this episode, we talk about it. What did he do? What did he learn? We also talk in depth about what a sabbatical is and what it is not and how we have started to implement a sabbatical culture in our church. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podc...

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October 6, 2025 24 mins

Pastor Wayne has returned from his first ever sabbatical! In this episode, we talk about it. What did he do? What did he learn? We also talk in depth about what a sabbatical is and what it is not and how we have started to implement a sabbatical culture in our church. Follow us on Instagram for more great leadership content: Pastor John (@johnsiebeling), Pastor Wayne (@waynefrancis), Podcast (@leadershipinblackandwhite). Leave a ra...

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