The Economy of Everything

The Economy of Everything

The Economy of Everything is where the big economics headlines meet everyday life. Every Wednesday, NZ Herald's business editor at large Liam Dann and business editor Tamsyn Parker sit down to talk it through. From markets and interest rates to jobs, housing and the cost of living, they dive into why it all matters more than you think. Because whether you’re paying a mortgage or just buying milk, the economy is already in the room. Then, every month tune in for Money Talks where Liam Dann talks to a high profile guest about their relationship with money. Be inspired, learn from the mistakes of others and get intimate with your own relationship with money. The Economy of Everything and Money Talks are presented by NZ Herald in partnership with CMC Markets

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June 2, 2026 27 mins

Should the retirement age rise to 67? Liam Dann and Tamsyn Parker discuss the growing cost of NZ Super and whether younger generations are being asked to foot the bill. They also look at the surprising figures opposed to the potential rise in retirement age.

Plus, a new levy on banks and insurers, the Heartland-TSB merger and what a split OCR vote could mean for mortgage holders.

 

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Thursday's Budget is being illed as 'grown-up' with no lolly scrambles under a cloud of tough choices ahead. But with rising mortgage costs and stubborn inflation, will the Government deliver something people can actually feel in their wallets? Liam Dann and Tamsyn Parker unpack what’s been revealed ahead of Budget day and what might still be hiding in the numbers.

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Oil prices surged, inflation risks are rising again, and all eyes are now on the Reserve Bank’s next OCR decision. Liam Dann and Tamsyn Parker break down why petrol prices haven’t hit worst-case forecasts, what it means for the wider economy, and whether interest rate hikes are coming sooner than expected.

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It might feel weird telling the young people in your life to pack up and head across the ditch for better prospects, but right now it may actually be the best advice.

 

Youth unemployment is sitting at worrying levels in New Zealand, the cost of living crisis is dragging on and somehow our mates in Australia seem to have jo...

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Welcome to the first episode of The Economy of Everything, with thanks to CMC Markets. To kick things off, our hosts Tamsyn Parker and Liam Dann tackle the cost of living crisis, what's happening with markets as the Middle East war kicks back into gear, and the significance of today's unemployment data release. 

 

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For the final episode of season eight,  Liam is joined by Money Talks producer Jane Yee to look back at the best bits of the show for 2025. 

 

A huge thanks to all our guests for sharing their money journeys with us. Thanks also to editor Richard Martin for bringing the show to life. See you in 2026!

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In May, we launched this season of Money Talks with Nigel Latta - clinical psychologist, author, broadcaster, and friend of host Liam Dann. With the sad news of Nigel’s passing, we’re reissuing that conversation to honour his voice and perspective.

 

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Liam Dann sits down with broadcaster Sam Wallace to explore the financial realities behind the glitz and glamour of fame.

Sam opens up about the pressures of maintaining a public image, the unexpected costs of staying relevant, and the personal sacrifices made along the way.

From hair transplants to high-end home furnishings, the conversation delves into the hidden expenses that come with a career in the spotlight. Join them for an...

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What’s really behind rising health insurance premiums? Southern Cross Medical Care Society CEO, Nick Astwick, joins Liam to talk about the challenge of funding care and striking the balance between health and wealth, and why he reckons your health is a more valuable asset than your house. Nick also shares his own money journey, from childhood lessons to career-defining choices, offering his perspective on what it takes to liv...

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Pic Picot has lived his life like it's one big experiment. He's tried a bit of this, had success with a bit of that, lived on a commune, sailed the Pacific and modified a concrete mixer to roast peanuts in. The latter was the humble beginnings of what you'll now know as Pic's Peanut Butter. The self-confessed hippy joins Liam to talk risk-taking, money-making and the future of the beloved Pic's brand after a majority stake was rece...

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What does it mean to be responsible for one of New Zealand’s biggest banks? Westpac CEO Catherine McGrath joins Liam Dann to discuss the responsibility of holding billions in public trust, how she manages risk, and the human side of leading in high-stakes environments.

From money management lessons to her personal journey in banking, Catherine shares insights on resilience, leadership, and financial literacy for all N...

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Broadcaster, author and Taskmaster NZ star Bree Tomasel reckons her whole job can be summed up as “talking shit for a living.”  But behind the laughs is grit, hustle and a surprisingly conservative approach to money. She chats with Liam Dann about farm life, broke uni days, indulgent splurges and whether she'd take a million right now or risk it all for a 50/50 shot at a billion.

 

 

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Chef, TV host and farmer Mike Van de Elzen has worked in some of the toughest kitchens in the world, from London’s high-pressure restaurant scene to running his own award-winning eateries in Aotearoa. He joins Liam Dann to talk about growing up on a Henderson poultry farm, funding his first motorbike with chicken manure sales, surviving on scraps in London and why the term “celebrity chef” makes him uncomfortable....

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This week, prolific board director Wayne Boyd shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann, including pivoting from his planned legal career to helping break up Telecom, and his other high-profile board roles.

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This week, founder and managing partner of property investment company Opes Partners, Andrew Nicol, shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. From his family's financial struggles growing up in Christchurch, bothering banks for their reports for a school competition, choosing a career over uni - and how that led to him buying his first home at 19, sparking a career and a business

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This week, Rosa Powers and Margot Flanagan - better known as the Two Raw Sisters - join Liam Dann to share their best and worst money stories, from how their parent's were early motivators in their careers, to the health battles and personal struggles they had to overcome in order to mend their relationship, and how that has led to a successful brand that covers cookbooks, apps, and podcasts. 

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This week, Perpetual Guardian chief executive Patrick Gamble shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann, including his family's life changing move to Ireland when he was a toddler, his experiences dabbling in the property market while at university - and failing - and how he ended up as a Special Envoy for Ukraine. 

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This week, the co-founders behind sexual wellness brand Girls Get Off, Viv Conway and Jo Cummins, join Liam to discuss how their different experiences at school and growing up lead to them crossing paths, and eventually starting a business that wants to change how people talk about sex - even if banks, insurers and social media companies aren't quite on board yet. 

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This week, the founder and CEO of KidsCan and Pet Refuge, Dame Julie Chapman, shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann, from how she originally planned to being a cop to how the need for her charities has increased over the years. 

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This week, Liam is joined by entrepreneur Derek Handley to discuss his varied career in the tech and startup space and how that has changed over the last two decades, and why he is now trying to get young people into their first homes faster with his latest venture, Aera. And he weighs in on the future of AI and our jobs, and his feelings about politics after the public controversy over the Labour Government's attempt to appoint hi...

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