Reimagining Justice

Reimagining Justice

Welcome to Reimagining Justice - a global podcast for the change makers in law and the first Australian-based podcast shining a light on issues at the intersection of law, social justice and innovation. Join Andrea Perry-Petersen, an Australian lawyer and social justice advocate, as she interviews guests from around the world who have discovered and implemented innovative ways to update the legal profession while improving people’s experience of the law. Andrea brings a unique perspective on stories which will inspire you to take positive action in the delivery of legal services for the benefit of lawyers, clients and society. The world is changing, and the legal profession must keep up. Legal systems around the world are not meeting people’s legal needs – there is a global access to justice crisis. What are the solutions and where can they be found? Whether you are a legal business owner or legalpreneur wanting to expand your market, run a purpose driven business or improve your service delivery model; a legal professional or law student curious about a career in social justice or legal tech (or both!); interested in systems design or proven ways to make positive social change, or simply looking to be inspired, then this is the podcast for you!

Episodes

November 17, 2022 38 mins

In episode no. 90, my guest is Bridgette Toy-Cronin, Director, Civil Justice Centre,
Co-Director, Otago Centre for Law and Society and Senior Lecturer, Faculty of Law, University of Otago. We cover:

  • The access to justice issues in Aotearoa New Zealand;
  • Key aims of the ‘Wayfinding for civil justice’ project;
  • How the project commenced at the start of the pandemic with a hui;
  • The other jurisdictions the working group looked to fo...
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In episode no. 89 my guest is Fiona Kirkman, CEO and co-founder of FamilyProperty. We cover:

  • The functionality of expert system FamilyProperty that Fiona and her co-founder (husband!) Tim developed;
  • The journey of FamilyProperty from an idea to MVP, to market, to acquisition;
  • The integration of FamilyProperty with global practice management software, Smokeball bringing the ‘business of law’ together with effective delivery of ...
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In episode no. 88, my guest is Nicolas Patrick, Partner, Head of Responsible Business, DLA Piper. We cover:

  • Nic’s views on the potential of technology;
  • The reason for DLA Piper holding a forum on technology and access to justice in 2019;
  • The problem with digitising existing processes;
  • Why an international law firm without family law expertise, supports a Sydney based non-profit family law firm;
  • The way Wallumatta Legal operate...
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This is the third episode in a 3-part series about justice entrepreneurship. 

Part 1 provides an overview of justice entrepreneurship - 3 categories of justice entrepreneurship with real examples from each of the categories and the problem solved. 

Part 2 covers 5 key factors to maximise the likelihood of success of your justice innovation. You might be surprised to hear about some of them!

And now in part 3, we look at funding opt...

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In episode no. 86 I had the pleasure of speaking with John Lord, Co-founder and Chairman of long term sponsor of the podcast, Neota (formerly Neota Logic).

We discuss:

  • What John wants the world to know about no-code and why;
  • Some unintended consequences of no-code including hybrid working models;
  • How no-code supports the democratisation of information in both commercial and public interest contexts;
  • The areas of law that are s...
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This is the second episode in a 3-part series about justice entrepreneurship. 

Episode 3 was an overview of justice entrepreneurship - the types of issues justice entrepreneurs work on, the 3 categories of justice entrepreneurship with real examples from each of the categories.

This episode covers 5 key factors to maximise the likelihood of success of your justice innovation. You might be surprised to hear about some of them!

Proud...

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In episode no. 83 I speak with Co-founder, CEO and General Counsel of Turnsignl, Jazz Hampton. We discuss:

  • The problem that prompted the creation of TurnSignl and how Jazz and his co-founders knew it was the right time to act;
  • The professional backgrounds of the three black founders;
  • What Turnsigl does and how it works to protect civil rights at scale;
  • How Turnsignl gets to the people who need it (it’s an interesting approach)...
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July 26, 2022 18 mins

Episode no. 83 is the first episode in a 3-part series about justice entrepreneurship. 

This episode covers: 

  • What is justice entrepreneurship?
  • What are the types of issues justice entrepreneurs work on?
  • The 3 categories of justice entrepreneurship
  • Real examples from each of the categories
  • A question to you about what motivates law firm owners?
  • What’s coming up including an interview with a passionate justice entrepreneur and ...
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Episode no. 82 is about “Law Labs”. 

In Part 1, I cover:

  • What is a Law Lab and where and why were they set up?
  • What kinds of issues or projects do Law Labs work on?
  • Who are the key stakeholders and the benefits they receive (should I establish one)? 

Part 2 is all about:

  • 4 things you need for a viable Law Lab (in under 4 minutes!)

Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic 

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In episode no. 81 my guest is Brian Tang, Founding Executive director of LITE Lab@HKU and Co-chair, Asia-Pacific Legal Innovation & Technology Association (ALITA). We discuss:

  • Career path (which will be interesting to law students);
  • How he became involved with innovation in the law in Hong Kong;
  • Main justice issues in Hong Kong;
  • What LITE stands for, and why it is intentionally a “Lab”;
  • How the Lab works with students from 6 o...
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In episode no. 80 I discuss multidisciplinary teamwork in the context of law firms and legal tech start-ups developing products, services and projects. I cover:

  • An explanation of multidisciplinary collaboration and teamwork (and what it’s not);
  • Effective and real-life examples in both a commercial and not-for-profit context; and
  • Tips for making the most from working with a multidisciplinary team.

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In episode no. 79, guests Simon Goodrich, Co-founder and Luke Thomas, senior legal designer, Portable cover:

  • Portable’s work and its founders’ motivation to do the work it does;
  • Simon’s journey from community radio and running a film festival to his current work;
  • What prompted Portable’s foray into justice issues and how design and technology can leverage high value tasks and have impact;
  • Specific justice projects including wi...
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In episode no. 78, Andrea explores all things document automation.  She covers:

  • What is document automation;
    Use cases in the commercial and not-for-profit context;
  • Factors to consider when embarking on a document automation project; 
  • What kinds of documents to automate; and
  • How to overcome barriers to adoption of technology.

Proudly sponsored by Neota Logic 

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In episode no. 75 I speak with Catherine Bamford, CEO & Founder of BamLegal. We cover:

  • BamLegal’s clients and services;
  • The UK legal industry’s adoption of document automation;
  • How Catherine addresses some common objections to legal technology;
  • The relevance of time billing and fixed fee in this context;
  • How legal technology intersects with ‘real lawyering’;
  • Who should and shouldn’t ‘own’ a legal tech product or project;
  • How l...
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In episode no. 76 I share my comments from an International Women’s Day event in Brisbane in early March, hosted by 9 University of Queensland and Queensland University of Technology clubs.  

I share what breaking the bias means to me and how I apply it in practice, and a particular bias each of us possess and need to be aware of if we are to innovate and bring about social change.

Also, as the title suggests, how actress America F...

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In episode no. 75 I speak with Jason Tashea, Consultant with the World Bank and Innovation Fellow at Vanderbilt University. We discuss:

  • Jason’s motivation for his new project, ‘40 Futures’;
  • the fine line between dystopian fiction and reality;
  • Jason’s writing process and the ‘rules’ he set for himself in developing the project;
  • ’40 Futures’ topics including technological surveillance, improper use of alerts, bio-data, digital p...
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In episode no. 74, I continue the conversation about technology in courts from episode 73 with Dr Anne Wallace and discuss online dispute resolution “ODR”.  I cover:
  • How ODR is defined;
  • 6 key characteristics of ODR;
  • Advantages and disadvantages of ODR;
  • International and Australian examples of ODR;
  • The different forms of technology used in ODR;
  • The volume of disputes resolved by e-commerce platforms;
  • Whether ODR should be appli...
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In episode no. 73 my special guest is Dr Anne Wallace, Adjunct Professor La Trobe University and Deputy Director Sir Zelman Cowen Centre. We discuss:

  • what first prompted Anne’s interest in technology and court processes;
  • court innovations from the 1990’s and how those initiatives have progressed;
  • how courts and lawyers have adapted to the pandemic;
  • how close we are to a virtual court;
  • advantages of audio visual links for provi...
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February 21, 2022 20 mins

In episode no. 72 I share with you 3 (or maybe 4!) things you should know about legal design. The episode covers:

  • The definition of legal design;
  • How it differs from human-centred design and design thinking;
  • 3 categories of legal design;
  • Real examples of legal design in commercial and not-for-profit contexts;
  • Some key elements of any effective legal design process;
  • Questions to ask if you’d like to implement legal design;
  • How ...
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In episode no. 71 my guest is Principal Legal Designer, Inkling Legal Design, Sara Rayment. We discuss:
  • Why legal design makes sense to Sara; 
  • The types of projects Inkling Legal Design work on and the common thread between them;
  • Common characteristics of Inkling’s clients;
  • The approach to legal design that sets Inkling apart;
  • The diversity of skills in her law firm and design practice;
  • What science has to do with design think...
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