Smart Podcast, Trashy Books: A Romance Novel Podcast

Smart Podcast, Trashy Books: A Romance Novel Podcast

Each week on Smart Podcast, Trashy Books, Sarah Wendell interviews authors, readers, reviewers, bloggers, publishing professionals, editors, and librarians about romance novels, which are among the most popular genres in fiction worldwide. Popular guests include: Ilona Andrews, Robin Bradford, NPR's Barrie Hardymon, Chuck Tingle, Sarah J. Maas, and Rachel Aaron. Amanda Diehl, co-pilot of the SS Smart Bitches, makes regular appearances with maximum silliness, especially during our Romantic Times Rewind episodes, where we take a look at old issues of Romantic Times Magazine (1981-2018). Frequent topics include romance novels, the way the genre is changing, and the brilliant and interesting people who read, write, and produce it, and issues common among romance readers. Plus, we always recommend some books we're reading and really enjoying. Learn more at SB-TB.com/Podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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January 2, 2026 43 mins

Happy New Year!


This week we are talking with Katie, Kate, and Adam – we’ve got book recs, wishes, spreadsheet discussions, dungeons, and some wishes that don’t violate the Hatch Act.


There’s also rather appalling poo adventure immediately after my first interview. Pew pew!


Check out the complete show notes at SBTB.com!


Thanks to your Patreon pledges, we have reached our goal with the F’ICE campaign, and all dynami...

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This week we are talking with Jenna Grinstead, Stephanie Violet, Lisa, and Bull! Yup, we’re visiting Norway this week. Bring a hat.


As always we have book recs, including one from the 1500s, wishes, and terrible jokes.


Please note: during my conversation with Lisa, we discuss true crime and historical murders.


We also mentioned:

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This week we are talking with Shana, Sue, and Rhonda about book recs and wishes, plus fantasy and magical bureaucracy, grief in romance, schtupping by volume, and inventions for readers to find even MORE books.


We also mentioned:

  • The Library Extension – This is an extension for Chrome browsers that will load a list of your preferred libraries with availability for a specific book you’re looking at online. You can add as ...
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We’re back with more Holiday Wishes! This week we’re talking with Rae A., Josephine, and Sneezy!


This week we are talking romance bookstores and road trips, luxurious bidets, webtoons, and, of course, books. And some ranting about women artists in history. We are traveling as far as Taiwan in this episode – and this should be the last of my laryngitis – hooray for all of us!


We also discussed:

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We’re back with more Holiday Wishes! This week we’re talking with Garlic Knitter, Claudia, Christine, and Jo.


A few notes:


First, my voice is not great. Some of these were recorded when I had a dreadful cold, so I apologize in advance.


Second, if you’re a sympathetic crier like I am, please know that when Christine and I are talking, we both get a little choked up while talking about grief and the infuriating unfairness of...

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Ready for more wishes and recs? And bad jokes? I bet you are! This week we’re talking with Agnes, Emily, Sarah Jane, and Jenn – and Min the cat.


And in the outro, you’ll hear from ShoesforAll, aka Sarah.


And! Important announcement 1: thanks to your Patreon pledges, we have reached our goal with the F’ICE campaign, and all dynamic ads will be turned off permanently for everyone who listens. Thank you so much!


Important ann...

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It’s time for our annual Holiday Wishes episodes!


Every year I connect with listeners around the world, where we talk about books, wishes, and bad jokes. So this time of year, my guests are…all of you!


In this set of wishes, we’ve got classics, new mysteries, and series romances. And we’ve got Sapphic yearning!


I have a record number of people signed up to do holiday wishes conversations with me, and these episodes are so ...

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Amye Archer, host of Little Miss Recap, was a guest on a recent paywalled episode of Fixing Famous People talking about soap operas. I was entranced. Amye is a fan of soaps, going way back, and I was very eager to have her as a guest to talk about soaps, the romances within soaps, and some of the overlap between soap fans and romance readers.


After we talk about the matrilineal cultural inheritance of soaps and romance, we have ...

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After mentioning Heather Graham, one of the Grande Dames of RT, so many times while recapping issues of Romantic Times, I got to sit down with her to talk about her career, the way the industry has changed, and of course, her memories of Romantic Times, both the magazine and the convention.


We talk about…

  • Her memories of meeting Kathryn Falk
  • The earliest Romantic Times Conventions
  • Her incredible RT parties
  • The work of hosting co...
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October 31, 2025 64 mins

My guest today is Lux Raven, author of the Siren’s duology that starts with Siren’s Mark, which came out – together – in early October. Lux wanted to join me on the podcast to talk about disability portrayals in romance, and about her own journey to diagnosis and how it influenced her writing – and vice versa.


We talk a lot about the pernicious ableism in the writing of disabled characters, and about writing your catnip whe...

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October 17, 2025 61 mins

We’re going back to May 2016 to look at the Ads & Features in Romantic Times magazine. The kilts are kilting and the abs are ab-ing, and we’ve got some questions.


  • How do we feel about the terms “book boyfriend” and “pre-con”?
  • How much of the 2016 conference depended on Twitter to announce pop up signings and special limited time events?
  • And do you remember how important Twitter was to a conference?
  • How many different ways a...
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October 10, 2025 62 mins

I’m bringing back a classic episode from the archives of the show, and because she has excellent taste, Amanda said it should be this one. When I originally published this episode, I focused on how silly we were – and we are plenty silly.


But since then Amanda and I have talked about the fact that when we recorded this, we were, in fact, baked out of our gourds.


So it’s a different kind of time travel: We’re going back to Jun...

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Grab your carry on, your snacks, and a blanket, because we’re hopping in the time machine again to go back to the May 2016 issue of Romantic Times to look at the new releases and reviews!


This issue caused some big questions.


  • Coke or Pepsi?
  • Backstreet Boys or NSYNC?
  • Did you worry about spontaneous combustion?
  • Should I read the Midnight, Texas trilogy by Charlaine Harris?
  • How many erotic romance titles in this issue contain th...
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Alexandra Vasti is back, because her new historical romance Ladies in Hating is out this week!


We are going to talk about:

  • Good angsty yearning
  • When a character is their love interest’s bitch eating crackers
  • Lesbians in history!
  • Erotic Victorian fiction


Side trips include historical publishing houses, how nothing in romance is new, and how a lot of our current erotica, including that book where someone schtupps...

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September 19, 2025 65 mins

It’s the 90s so the Ads and Features from the August 1996 issue of Romantic Times are a treasure trove of confusion. We’ve got:

  • A tour of Jude Deveraux’s Grade II Listed Home in Suffolk
  • Barbara Cartland perfumes
  • How should emoji faces be written? Nose or no nose?
  • What is the appeal of “nursing him back to health” plots?
  • And RT is going to answer the eternal question that has plagued womankind throughout the ages. It’s a doozy.

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September 12, 2025 58 mins

The second book in Holly Black’s Night duology, Thief of Night, is out now, and I was so excited to talk with her about it.We start right off by talking about creepy places – like, what kind of magic comes out of Jersey?


Then we talk about world building, starting with atmosphere instead of plot, and the intricacies of shadow magic in her duology. Plus, we squee about books we’ve loved, magic powers we wish we had, and Kell...

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September 5, 2025 56 mins

We’re going back to August 1996 – that’s a bit of distance – to take a peek at the new releases and the book reviews in Romantic Times magazine.


We’re back in the era of time travel, a scifi imprint named Avonova, and probable worms.


NSFW worms.


As usual, we learn astonishing amounts of unexpected information from this magazine. For example: we’re both obsessed with the 1996 movie Twister and we have many thought...

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Valerie Bowman returns to talk about her new book, The Honeycrisp Orchard Inn, out September 9. Valerie has written over 30 historical novels but when asked by her agent if she’d be interested in pivoting to contemporary, Valerie jumped on the opportunity.


Please join us as we puzzle through the reasons why historical romance isn’t as popular, and what led to the pivot that so many authors are making. Plus Valerie shares th...

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August 22, 2025 46 mins

It’s July 2016, and we’re back in the time machine to check out the ads & features from this issue of Romantic Times Magazine!


We spot an SBTB friend in the letters to the editor, and we talk about romances translated into English, the appeal of the wounded hero, and we spot an ad that’s very clearly some Tay-fic, as I’m calling it. We also discuss an article about Kickstarter in romance – and this is 2016. Look how far we’v...

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Molly Horan is a YA author, playwright, and professor who is writing a dissertation on aromantic and asexual characters in YA literature. Molly also teaches classes about YA literature, so we have a LOT to talk about.


Examining relationships between people within the context of aro/ace characters requires a re-examination of how we portray human bonds in media, and how they work in real life. There are many book recs, so don’t f...

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