May 6, 2021 • 34 mins
Chris and Rob discuss Albert Pujols getting released by the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim and explain why he's the latest example of an athlete learning the hard way that the grass isn't always greener on the other side, tell us why it's not surprising that Oscar Robertson is defending Russell Westbrook for not turning all of his triple-doubles into an NBA championship, and take the Georgia lawmakers to task for their ludicrous Name Image and Likeness bill aimed at taking more money out of athletes' pockets.
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
Cup Off with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. All right, Rob,
let's stick with baseball because another certain Hall of famer,
and I know youngsters who just saw him in Anaheim
might be like, what, But he's a clear cut Hall
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of famer. Albert poolhost cut today. He wants to play.
But Rob, is anybody picking him up? Yes, you know what.
I'm gonna give you the destination. His old manager from
Saint Louis where Chris Tony Laruss's with the White Sox.
He's the manager, Albert Poohols. Even though that's a young
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team with a lot of swag, Tim Anderson, he could
wind up there in the clubhouse for these young guys.
I'm telling you the same way that Tim Tebow might
might wind up in uh Jacksonville. Albert Poohols could wind up.
I'm just saying it could wind up that out there
or you just kind of I'm just out. I'm just
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throwing it out from just because I mean, if you
want a professional in the clubhouse, and you know what
I mean, I can't say anyone. He's not a bad guy,
right he didn't he say an he wants to play,
So if he can bring that, I got no problem
with that. But I don't expect to see him at
the plate much because he doesn't have much left. And
it's not you know, he had an unbelievable career and
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the guy's a Hall of Famer in Saint Louis. Chris,
he was a machine, you know, literally that was his yep. Yeah,
so um, all right, so he cut today. Um, but
just as he's cut, you know, not released, designated, designated
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for sim Chris. He was designated for keeping it real. Man,
I'm keeping it real. But here's the thing, Rob, and
I feel I feel strange about pool holes. You heard
me just moments ago. Undoubtedly a Hall of famer, I mean,
almost hit seven hundred home runs. There's there's no if
sands or butts about, and almost batted three hundred for
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his career. So that's without question. But and and he
was better at his sport than Vince Carter wasn't in
the NBA, So it's a little bit different. But it's
like you and I have always talked about Vince Carter,
who was in my book, the greatest game dunker of
all time and who uh it's probably gonna be a
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Hall of Famer, but he did play so many years
as a role player when he was past his prime
that you kind of forgot about how great he was.
And I gotta be honest with pool hosts, I kind
of feel the same way, Rob, Oh, I don't. I
mean was awesome and he was. He was mediocre in Anaheim.
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That's what he was, Rob, I mean is that is that?
Is that not? Is that up for debate? Mediocre? I
mean he had a couple of good years, Chris, but
he had a couple I'm just saying, but but but
for the most part, you know, when you have a
ten year contract, you know, mediocre. But he was it's
a little bit better. But yeah, but he wasn't. He
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wasn't the guy that he wasn't. Saint Louis right, And
you gotta remember, and I blame Saint Louis a little
bit for this, Chris, I do because they didn't want
to pay him, like they didn't really want to. You know,
people want to feel loved like you. Still you blame
Saint Louis. Okay, yeah, I do you think it would
have been different if he would have been in Saint Louis.
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I'm just saying, had he stayed there and gotten paid,
I don't think we would look at him the same
way because he went to Anaheim, he went to the Angels,
and it really didn't work out. I think of it
if not working out, right, don't you think of that?
And I think if he would have stayed in Saint Louis,
he would have aged gracefully, would have had those couple
more big years. You would have thought of him as
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an all time cardinal, and it probably would have been
a safer, safer landing, softer landing for him. You look
at Albert Pools now you think, boy, did he make
a mistake leaving the cardinal? Absolutely? Am I right? That's
what people thought. Absolutely? Absolutely, I'm okay, I'm with you.
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There's no doubt that had he stayed Let's say he
stayed in Saint Louis and did the exact same thing
he did in Anaheim. Right, never hit three hundred again.
And you know he has some big home run years
here and there, but you know, was clearly not what
he used to be. I agree with you that it
wouldn't have looked as bad just because he had already
won in a couple of World Series and you know
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NBA's and all that. However, here's the one thing I'll say, Rob,
they're in baseball now. In football, we got an example
of a viand Bell. You left Pittsburgh where it was,
it was, you were a Hall of Famer, he was
headed to the Hall of Fame probably, and you go
to the Jets and you're you fall off completely. We
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can name other players that that's happened. To basketball. There's
obviously a Lebron, a Durant, uh Kyrie. You know, certain
guys can go anywhere and they're gonna be the man.
But there are there's a level of star in the NBA,
Rob that if they go to the wrong place, it
won't be the same because the system to coach whatever,
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I'll give you one guy, I'll give you one guy
right off the bat. In basketball, ye, Draymond Green, if
he went to another team, Chris to go get paid,
he would not play the same way and any be
a bomb arty thing. Would you agree with me? Like
I knew that when he stayed in Golden State. I
think remember Detroit was going after him big time. He
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if you had paid him max money, brought him in
to be your guy, you would have been sorely disappointed
because he's not a score and he needs other scores,
though he can do the other stuff. That's a good,
good one. Um. But here's what I say, Rob. In baseball,
I get it. If you leave a winning franchise, which
obviously Saint Louis Is and was the right, right winning franchise,
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and you go play somewhere that doesn't win, it's it
looks like an el no matter how well you play,
because now you're not in the spotlight as much, and
you're not in the postseason, so on and so forth.
But I will say that to me, there's no excuse
in baseball if you go to another team. You may
not win, but you should still be able to hit
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the ball like you always did. He was only third
when he went to Anaheim, right, he won't an old man? Yes,
and he had the right The other thing too, Chris,
is who's batting around you don't forget Sometimes when team
do that, a bad team. And I would call the
Angels not a bad team, but a mediocre team. And
Trout did wasn't there from day one. If you don't
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have guys batting around you and you're the big bat,
I'm not gonna throw you anything to hit. It's happened
to other guys where they send them to a team
and then they don't perform because they're not gonna get
pitched too. And he came from a lineup that was
four deep, right, and and and you can't pitch around him.
You're not like you gotta pick your poison and I'm
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gonna get fastballs because you can't walk meet there's a
guy hitting behind me. So that's a problem. But in
this case, you know, we saw guy, we saw and
you brought this up on our pre show meeting Robinson
could know who got offered a ton of money Chris
to leave New York, where he was headed for the
Hall of Fame with the Yankees to go play in
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Seattle where people didn't get to watch him play. He
still put up good numbers. You know, he's been derailed
because of the steroids and all that. But he's another
guy who took the money and left for a situation
where he probably should have played his whole career with
the Yankees, right, and and look, he did get so
much more money. It's kind of hard, right, but you're right,
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he fell off the map. And he still was playing
pretty well. But to your point, he fell off the map.
I'm gonna throw another one at you, Rob, And we're
not trying to do this with New York guys. But
Jose Rays, Yeah, Jose Rays was a four time All
Star with the Mets, left and never made another All
Star team. He was another guy. He was a big
star in New York. They love, never made another All
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Star team and and you know, again had some some
solid seasons, but you know, but yeah, and we'll see
if that happens. You know. Now obviously in New York
they're wondering, is that gonna happen with Francisco lindoer, you know,
and you know what he could be. But you know,
like he left Cleveland for the big money, right, even
though the Mets are on a bad team or anything,
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or you know, but he could wind up where things
don't work out, Chris, and you can look at him.
But we'd been interested to hear from everybody out there listening. Chris. Yeah,
I mean it's pool hosts. He's seemed like a great
example of the grass is not always greener. On the
other side, another guy in basketball rival, LaMarcus Aldreds, Yep,
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you know with this. He wasn't terrible for him in
San Antonio, but you know, but it wasn't the same.
It was like like if I would have looked at
that situation, I would say in el yeah, exactly, he
should have stayed put. He would have had Dame Lillard
and you know, I don't think they would have won
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you get your podcast. And you know Russell Westbrook is
gonna average a triple double rob for the fourth year.
(10:37):
I want to ask you before we get into the
meat of this topic. I talked about it a bit.
I don't know if it's yesterday or the day before.
I just it's so phenomenal to me that this guy
could do something that Jason Kidd didn't do. Lebron didn't do,
Magic didn't do, you know, Grant Hill, Luca, We'll see.
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I mean, Luca and Yokis looked like maybe they could
do it in the future, but nobody's done it. And
I hear a lot of people saying Lebron could have
done it, and maybe, I mean, you should certainly think
his game, but the fact is he didn't. He didn't
do it. He didn't do it in the league for
eighteen years, so stock right, he didn't adn't know automatic like, oh,
Lebron could have done that? Why would if he was
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just playing Christie could have done it. It's hard And
that's what I want to ask you. Where do you think? Like,
to me, this is awesome. And I know I'm not
saying Westbrooks the second best point guard ever or even
necessarily top five or anything, but I'm gonna give him
props for this incredible feat. Where are you adding what
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he's done? I think it's incredible. I told you before.
I was really impressed when we talked about it when
he did it at Okay. See you remember we talked
about he got the MVP that year. Yep, oh yeah,
and he was winning right, and he was winning it. Remember,
his record was not wasn't five hundred. His record was
way better when he had a triple double and it
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still is. If they went like seventy five percent of
the games he gets triple doubles. That's what I'm saying, Chris.
If it was fifty fifty, then it would be like
padding numbers, or if it was below five hundred, I
wouldn't respect it. I wouldn't. I mean what it depends
if he was on a bad team and it was
five hundred, you know what I mean that that's I
think the context. But I see what you're saying. I mean, yeah,
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I'm just saying like it. It gives you real value
to it, right, it's not empty. So so so I
have a lot of respect for what he's able to do.
I like him from the standpoint. I think he's a
little too sensitive. But a lot of these guys are.
I just think that, you know, to worry about everything
people are saying about you. But I think that's this
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new generation, you know, I really do that they're bothered
by people saying stuff. But and I go ahead, no,
but but um, I respect the way he plays. He
doesn't cheat fans, his teammates, he doesn't take a day off.
He don't take because he's trying to win and he's
playing hard all the time. I appreciate that, right absolutely,
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And so he's but he's getting starting to get criticism,
as the all the greats do when they don't win championships.
And it'll look when he retires, Yeah, people will say
if he doesn't win one, he's one of the greatest
ever to never win the championship. You know, it comes
up with Charles Barkley, it comes up with Patrick Ewing
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all that. But for the most part, though, Rob they
get their love, you know what I mean, Like everybody
acknowledges how great Barkley was and Ewing and Malone in
Stockton and Nash. It'll be the same thing with Westbrook
if he never wins a championship. But in the moment,
you know, you're getting criticized because that's why it's about winning.
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And so Oscar Robertson spoke with Mark Stein, our former colleague,
over at the Old Place, and he talked about I
don't yes, we don't have sounds, so I'll read kind
of what he said, but let me paint the kinds
of everybody knows for the most part that Oscar average
a triple double before Westbrook did it. He was the
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only player ever to average a triple double for a season.
But you gotta put it in context for the younger
people listening to Chris, Yes, Cincinnati used to have a
basketball teams, right like like people, don't you know when
you hear the NBA Cincinnati right, No, we're talking about
it yesterday Syracuse, Right, I mean that was way back.
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For what about the Kansas City, the Kansas City roy
It was Kansas City. Uh, it was like cities. Ohha,
Kansas City omahaha. That's when when Tiny Archibald led the
league in scoring and assist it was for the Kansas
City omaha. Uh what was it the Royals? What was
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their Kings? Kings right, Kansas City Omaha, Kings, I believe, yeah, yeah, yea,
because they woud up going to Sacramento. That's the two
yeah yeah. And Cincinnati is that they that's the Kings
like they used to Cincinnati franchise. But anyway, Oscar, here's
I want to throw this out to Rob and it
doesn't sound quite as impressive since Westbrook's done it now.
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But if you take the first Now we know Oscar
average a triple double one year, but if you take
his first five, not five random seasons, his first five
seasons in the NBA and put them together as a conglomerate,
it's like three hundred eighty four games or something like that.
He averaged a triple double for the first five seasons
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of his career in total. Because he had it, you know,
he'd have a year we average like nine point five assists,
and then another year he'd average eleven point one or something,
you know what I mean and saying with rebounds, So
they're only one year did he do it? But if
you put those five years together there he averaged a
triple double over those five years, so which is incredible.
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And remember there were no three pointers, right, And I'm
just saying, like in scoring, Chris a little obviously easier
with with all the threes. Oh yeah, Now they played,
they played at a hectic pace. I mean they shot
tons of they chopped more back then. So that's why
you that's one reason you saw these guys getting all
these rebounds, because you know, will average twenty seven. And
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also a lot of those guys have terrible shooting percentages.
Chris huh right, the shooting lower. Bob Coozi's under forty percentage,
Consider's thirty seven percent or something like that. Right when
I looked at his numbers, I was like, what Bill
Russell's But you know, we gotta we gotta show respect
because we talked about it with quarter. Now, we didn't
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see Coozy and Russell for the most part, but we
we we we saw these great quarterbacks who if you
look back nowadays at their numbers, you know what I mean,
You'll be like, we're talking about Terry brash All the
other day, Terry brash All, it's two hundred twelve touchdowns,
robbed two hundred ten interceptions. That's unbelievable, right, right, So
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any other one was different. You could go look back
at some of those stat lines and they'll be quarterbacks
Chris in a game who were twelve for twenty five
you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, and worse. I'm sure you know. Um.
But anyway, Oscar defended Russell from against the criticism, which
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makes sense consider you know, Oscar didn't win a lot. Rob.
Oscar won one championship when he went to Milwaukee. After
ten years in Cincinnati, he goes to Milwaukee where they
have lou Alcinder. Of course, now, Kareem Abdul Jabbar. They
won the championship in their first season together, and they
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didn't win another one, although they went to the finals
one more time and lost. But you're gonna now remember
they didn't have a mini playoff series back then. But
Oscar Rob, I'm gonna ask you to guess, in ten
years with the Cincinnati Royals. How many playoffs series you
think he won Cincinnati was the team wasn't good. It
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was a bad situation. I'm gonna say two times in
those ten years. Wow, did you lock that up? No? Two?
You're right, yeah, No, I know that, Chris. I know
the history of it because you know, I worked there,
and I would just remember there have been a number
of people, Chris, who have tried to bring the NBA
back to Cincinnati. This was in the nineties, like trying
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to get a team back, right, And who's the biggest
guy against it? Oscar really the biggest against it because
he still lives there, doesn't. Yeah, but he was mad
at the people because they didn't come to the games.
It was a downtrodden organization, you know what I mean.
Like he's kind of bitter over how they treated that
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team and while he was there, Chris so, but he's
always been like a day I didn't know that though,
I'm mad Oscar. You know, I lived in Cincinnati when
I was a kid and met Oscar when I was
like four years old. My one of my cousins babysat
for him, and she was older obviously, but um so, yeah,
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I remember being at his house and meeting meeting him.
You know, I'm a kid four years old, but I
just remember when you when you tried to dribble a
basketball with laces. It felt crazy. Right. Where's Craig Melvin
when you need him? All right? Um? But anyway, so
so the big old Rob uh supported Westbrook. And here's
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what he said. I think criticism happens with great basketball
players like Westbrook and myself. I was with Cincinnati for
many years, but we never made any notable trades to
get better players. If you look back through the history
of bast just listen to what he's saying, though, Chris,
that's the little rip on Cincinnati. It never made it. Yeah, yep, yep, yep.
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And he said, I always tell people this, every team
that won the championship has made key trades. Boston got
Bill Russell. Red Arbach was a stute at getting older
starters from other teams to play off the bench for him.
And he said, Look, players don't win championships by themselves.
You gotta have good management and you need to get
with the right group of players. Let me say this
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about Lebron. I was talking to Lebron once before he
went to Miami. And this was maybe a year or
two before he made his decision, but you know, it
was starting to come up. Everybody's talking about it, and
I was talking to him and he was like, look,
he wasn't saying he was leaving, but he was just like,
you gotta go to a good organization. And he was like,
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I've done my research and there's only soul a handful
of organizations that have won championships, you know, and it
was true. You know, you think back Rob, Detroit, the Lakers,
the Celtics, Houston, Philadelphia, now Chicago because they had Jordan.
But you know what I mean, like it is true
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that the organization and the way they run things does
have a good amount to do with you know, do
you win? And so lebron knew that and he's only
gone to get I mean, Cleveland was home, but you
look at the other places. He's gone to Miami with
pat Riley and the Lakers, and I mean Lakers had
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new management. But you know what I'm saying, like they're
good organizations and so um but yeah, I Rob, I
just think players we we we talk about all the time.
When you're comparing the greats, Rob, what do you do
your nitpick and winning counts. No, winning always counts. And
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somebody tells you that winning doesn't count, then you know
what I always bring up. And I know it's unfair
to him, Chris, but I always bring up Marv Levy,
who was the coach of the Buffalo Bills. No, but,
but this is my point. If winning didn't matter, he
went to four straight Super Bowls, Chris right, if when
his name is never mentioned as one of the greatest
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coaches or the greatest coach Epford, he went four straight
super bowl because he didn't win. Winning does matter. That's
all I'm saying. It's winning does matter. Don't act like
it doesn't matter. His name never comes up. Never. Now,
you didn't win. And I'll give Oscars right in that
you do need great players. And that's why I don't
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kill Lebron and KD. In Lebron's case, especially the first
time he goes to Miami. He did what their management,
whether it was the management rob or just the city
or what they couldn't get anybody he was trying to
get Chris Bosh to go there, he wouldn't and and
earlier when he was younger, he didn't recruit you know
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Michael Red and guys like that, which he should have.
He probably regrets it now, but um, you know magic
had magic happens to go to the team with the
rain MVP, right, Kareem, I'll dul Jabar Larry Bird. Now
granted they weren't very good, right, but they had a
lot of Hall of Famers older. They had tiny Archibald right,
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Cowen's I think was still there. But then they get
McHale and Parish and the Celtics were bad, right, but
they had those names, but they were older to your point.
But but you know what I mean, doctor Jay want
it when he got Moses. Um, you need great players.
I'm not denying there's something to be said for building it,
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and that's what the Isaiah Thomas built it, right, Uh,
Michael Jordan built it. Lebron and k d and Harden
if he wins, you know with Brooklyn or they'll never
be able to say that. Steph can say that at
least you know, like they'll never be able to say that.
And there is something to be said for building it
on your own. But you do need great players when
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you nick though you look at all that stuff. Yeah,
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the iHeart Radio app. Interesting situation going, and we know
that that the NC DOUBLEA has said now that they're
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going to allow players to capitalize or chip uh capitalize
on their name, image and the lights. They had a choice, Chris, right,
you're right. Well, and they're dragging their feet. Yeah, and
they're dragging their feet like crazy. But Georgia, their governor,
Brian Kemp, did sign the state's new bill that will
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uh kind of begin to put some teeth to this thing.
But I don't like the teeth. But here Rob g
explain the way this is shaping up. That's right. They
did sign the new bill that's going to regulate the name,
image and likeness, which is coming full scale by the
way they're there. NA is hoping that the federal government
will get involved. So they have a uniform plan across
all fifty states. But for now to make it should
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it should be because it gives If it's not uniform,
it's gonna give certain schools advantages. Well, yeah, they were
supposed to advantages. They were supposed to in January, and
they pushed it back the federal side of it. So
it's going to I mean like like, oh, if it's
if it's seventy you know, I could get lose up
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to seventy five percent of the state of Georgia. And
then uh says they weren't gonna take twenty five percent
of your money, Max. Right, that's a big reason to
want to go there, isn't it? Absolutely? There you go, Rob,
Just to explain the whole thing very quickly, very succinctly,
they are allowing athletes starting July first, to make money
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off their name, image, and likeness. This is in the
state of Georgia. However, buried in that provision states that
any school is entitled to up to seventy five percent
of whatever it is the athlete makes in any deal. So,
for example, Georgia quarterback JT. Daniels, who I assume would
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be the biggest man on campus in Georgia, not just
on that campus, but in the entire state because college
football is came down there. If he signs a hundred
thousand dollars deal with a local car dealership to use
his picture to sell cars, Georgia could theoretically get seventy
five grand of it. He gets twenty five grand, which
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they then would put into an account that would be
distributed to all athletes at the school that would they
would get a piece of it after they graduate. Horrible, horrible, Rob,
I hate right away did not say the same thing
exactly almost verbatim. This is terrible. I mean, this is
darn near the same thing you had before. Ye there's
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no reach. This should be seventy five percent. That is outrageous.
I mean, look, honestly, I don't think you need you
shoon get anything, but I get it. If they're gonna
say ten percent goes through you know what I mean,
to the school whatever they're they're the team you're playing for.
Even though some of these players no matter where they
went right, they're gonna get it. But seventy five percent,
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that that Rob, that that just upsets me to no
end because that makes no sense. I think that that's
way high. Chris, seventy five up to seventy five percent.
And if you're a school and you're entitled, why wouldn't
you take your seventy five percent cut? Well, the one
one thing, and this is why they need to make
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it uniform with the federal government. But you know, because
what if Georgia Tech saying we won't take anything you
come here. If you go to Georgia, they're taking seventy
five percent, So that could get it balance it out.
But but my thing too, Rob, I'm gonna say this too,
and I've always felt this way when we talk about
college athletes getting paid. I'm sorry to me, the lacrosse
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players shouldn't get paid. Now. If a lacrosse player is
good enough and some local you know, car dealership or
something where I wants to deal with their money, but
I'm not This is not This is a capitalistic society,
all right. And you you go to college and you
learn what you can do how to make your way
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in a capitalistic society. And so if if J. T.
Daniels is the one that's the superstar and his talent
affords him the opportunity to get this endorsement deal, he
should get the money. Not the the wrestler, you know that,
not the the woman's softball player, not the even not
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the basketball player. If he's not getting offered the deal,
it should go to that guy. This is they're trying
to soften it by saying, oh, we're gonna give it
to all the athletes. No, Rob, My argument about players
being paid is that they generate so much money. Right,
college sports, I don't think we should I should have
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got paid. We weren't generating any money. In Division three.
You weren't sell so I don't you know. It wasn't
about It's not about they should just get paid. It's
about in the certain sports football and basketball mainly, they
are generating so much money that it is it is
robbery for them not to get paid. The other sports.
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It is legitimately an extracurricular activity for a lot of
these other Division one sports. And we talked about it before, right,
didn't we talk about like the basketball March madness CBS
and to deal with TBS and Turner or whatever. Right,
six billion dollars, Chris, six billion? Would it be exactly? Really?
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Six billion? And there's nothing and there's nothing for them, right.
That's that's it. That is what is wrong. And I'm
sorry if the women's basketball team isn't generating what the
men's is, it is what it is. It's the same
reason Rob, that the NBA superstars get paid more than
the w NBA. When the w NBA starts generating that
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kind of money, then we'll talk. I'm just life. This
is life, all right, We talked about it all the time.
We make it what Colin cow Hurd is making. No,
it's life. It's supplying demand, even though pretty soon, you know,
maybe maybe it's a little closer about that. I thought
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that was literally a note that was Scott on the
other mark. I don't get fired. No, I'm with you.
I like the idea, but this again, it's misguided and
it misses the mark. It misses the mark. And if
I'm a player, I'm not agreeing to seventy five. I
just that that seems like a huge number. That you
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mean to tell me? I just said, signed a deal
with somebody, Chris, for them to do a documentary on
my life and walk around with me, right, and they're
gonna pay me ten million dollars for my one year
at Georgia Tech. That's that's what the document you're gonna get.
The school's gonna get seventy and a half million. Come on,
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that is ridiculous. That is really I mean, who in
the world came up with that? I'm serious. That is horrible.
That's horrible, And I don't think it's gonna work, rob
because I mean, unless the federal government does the same thing.
But that that is just that to me, that's a
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slap in the face to the student. And I get it.
They're gonna try to argue, Hey, but we're giving it
to all the students. No, it shouldn't work that way,
all right, it should be the argument. It's never robbed.
Has anybody ever argued that the cross country team should
get paid? No, there's no argument. It's all about the
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football in basketball. Even baseball is great at sport and
as popular as that is in America, that's not the
same on the college level. No, it's just it's about
the football and the basketball players period. When you get
to the majors, you might get a three hundred million
dollar contract, Chris, I guarantee, but not in college. Right,
So this this is terrible to me, and I um,
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I'm just again, I guess it's all up to the
federal government. Maybe, but maybe we're in the minority. Maybe
people think this is a good deal. I'd love to
hear what people think about it, Chris. Maybe we're in
the minority on this, but I'm with you a seventy
five twenty five split? Yeah, what is this Rob I'm with?
I mean, what would you be comfortable with? Because again,
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I wouldn't mind it if the schools don't get anything.
It's my money, right, I don't one they're coming after.
I don't mind giving them a little bit if Okay,
I'm playing for Georgia and here's what I'll say. Here's
what I'll say, Yes they can get a little bit, Chris,
Because like the NFL, if you're an NFL player and
you're doing commercials and you're using the NFL, you're using
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your uniform or whatever, then they the NFL gets a
piece of it. You know what I'm saying, I hear
the different thing. I'd say the differently. I mean, I'm
just saying the difference between Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes
are doing State Farm. They're not in uniform. They don't
have to wear a uniform. Right. Maybe there's another guy
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who's a Green Bay packer that people if you don't
have a packers uniform or people don't know him, Chris,
the NFL is entitled or the packers are entitled to
a piece of that. He's using their uniform. I hear you,
and that yeah, And I think you could also argue
that what makes Aaron Rodgers or Pat Mahons special is
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there in the NFL, right, so that you could say, again,
it shouldn't be anywhere near seventy five percent. But if
you if they get a swam percentage or a percentage, fine.
But in college is different because there's nowhere else to
go other than the NFL. But in college you can't say, oh,
it's because you're at the University of Georgia that you're
getting this deal. No, if he's that good or she's
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that good, they would get the same deal at Alabama
or the same dealer. You see, Hella, you know what
I mean. So I think it's a little bit different
with college. But I'm fine if they get a little
something whatever. Yeah, that's that is that is that's insulting
to me.
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s R. You're listening to the best of the Odd
Cup Off with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. All right, Rob,
let's stick with baseball because another certain Hall of famer,
and I know youngsters who just saw him in Anaheim
might be like, what, But he's a clear cut Hall
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of famer. Albert poolhost cut today. He wants to play.
But Rob, is anybody picking him up? Yes, you know what.
I'm gonna give you the destination. His old manager from
Saint Louis where Chris Tony Laruss's with the White Sox.
He's the manager, Albert Poohols. Even though that's a young
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team with a lot of swag, Tim Anderson, he could
wind up there in the clubhouse for these young guys.
I'm telling you the same way that Tim Tebow might
might wind up in uh Jacksonville. Albert Poohols could wind up.
I'm just saying it could wind up that out there
or you just kind of I'm just out. I'm just
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throwing it out from just because I mean, if you
want a professional in the clubhouse, and you know what
I mean, I can't say anyone. He's not a bad guy,
right he didn't he say an he wants to play,
So if he can bring that, I got no problem
with that. But I don't expect to see him at
the plate much because he doesn't have much left. And
it's not you know, he had an unbelievable career and
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the guy's a Hall of Famer in Saint Louis. Chris,
he was a machine, you know, literally that was his yep. Yeah,
so um, all right, so he cut today. Um, but
just as he's cut, you know, not released, designated, designated
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for sim Chris. He was designated for keeping it real. Man,
I'm keeping it real. But here's the thing, Rob, and
I feel I feel strange about pool holes. You heard
me just moments ago. Undoubtedly a Hall of famer, I mean,
almost hit seven hundred home runs. There's there's no if
sands or butts about, and almost batted three hundred for
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his career. So that's without question. But and and he
was better at his sport than Vince Carter wasn't in
the NBA, So it's a little bit different. But it's
like you and I have always talked about Vince Carter,
who was in my book, the greatest game dunker of
all time and who uh it's probably gonna be a
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Hall of Famer, but he did play so many years
as a role player when he was past his prime
that you kind of forgot about how great he was.
And I gotta be honest with pool hosts, I kind
of feel the same way, Rob, Oh, I don't. I
mean was awesome and he was. He was mediocre in Anaheim.
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That's what he was, Rob, I mean is that is that?
Is that not? Is that up for debate? Mediocre? I
mean he had a couple of good years, Chris, but
he had a couple I'm just saying, but but but
for the most part, you know, when you have a
ten year contract, you know, mediocre. But he was it's
a little bit better. But yeah, but he wasn't. He
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wasn't the guy that he wasn't. Saint Louis right, And
you gotta remember, and I blame Saint Louis a little
bit for this, Chris, I do because they didn't want
to pay him, like they didn't really want to. You know,
people want to feel loved like you. Still you blame
Saint Louis. Okay, yeah, I do you think it would
have been different if he would have been in Saint Louis.
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I'm just saying, had he stayed there and gotten paid,
I don't think we would look at him the same
way because he went to Anaheim, he went to the Angels,
and it really didn't work out. I think of it
if not working out, right, don't you think of that?
And I think if he would have stayed in Saint Louis,
he would have aged gracefully, would have had those couple
more big years. You would have thought of him as
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an all time cardinal, and it probably would have been
a safer, safer landing, softer landing for him. You look
at Albert Pools now you think, boy, did he make
a mistake leaving the cardinal? Absolutely? Am I right? That's
what people thought. Absolutely? Absolutely, I'm okay, I'm with you.
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There's no doubt that had he stayed Let's say he
stayed in Saint Louis and did the exact same thing
he did in Anaheim. Right, never hit three hundred again.
And you know he has some big home run years
here and there, but you know, was clearly not what
he used to be. I agree with you that it
wouldn't have looked as bad just because he had already
won in a couple of World Series and you know
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NBA's and all that. However, here's the one thing I'll say, Rob,
they're in baseball now. In football, we got an example
of a viand Bell. You left Pittsburgh where it was,
it was, you were a Hall of Famer, he was
headed to the Hall of Fame probably, and you go
to the Jets and you're you fall off completely. We
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can name other players that that's happened. To basketball. There's
obviously a Lebron, a Durant, uh Kyrie. You know, certain
guys can go anywhere and they're gonna be the man.
But there are there's a level of star in the NBA,
Rob that if they go to the wrong place, it
won't be the same because the system to coach whatever,
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I'll give you one guy, I'll give you one guy
right off the bat. In basketball, ye, Draymond Green, if
he went to another team, Chris to go get paid,
he would not play the same way and any be
a bomb arty thing. Would you agree with me? Like
I knew that when he stayed in Golden State. I
think remember Detroit was going after him big time. He
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if you had paid him max money, brought him in
to be your guy, you would have been sorely disappointed
because he's not a score and he needs other scores,
though he can do the other stuff. That's a good,
good one. Um. But here's what I say, Rob. In baseball,
I get it. If you leave a winning franchise, which
obviously Saint Louis Is and was the right, right winning franchise,
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and you go play somewhere that doesn't win, it's it
looks like an el no matter how well you play,
because now you're not in the spotlight as much, and
you're not in the postseason, so on and so forth.
But I will say that to me, there's no excuse
in baseball if you go to another team. You may
not win, but you should still be able to hit
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the ball like you always did. He was only third
when he went to Anaheim, right, he won't an old man? Yes,
and he had the right The other thing too, Chris,
is who's batting around you don't forget Sometimes when team
do that, a bad team. And I would call the
Angels not a bad team, but a mediocre team. And
Trout did wasn't there from day one. If you don't
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have guys batting around you and you're the big bat,
I'm not gonna throw you anything to hit. It's happened
to other guys where they send them to a team
and then they don't perform because they're not gonna get
pitched too. And he came from a lineup that was
four deep, right, and and and you can't pitch around him.
You're not like you gotta pick your poison and I'm
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gonna get fastballs because you can't walk meet there's a
guy hitting behind me. So that's a problem. But in
this case, you know, we saw guy, we saw and
you brought this up on our pre show meeting Robinson
could know who got offered a ton of money Chris
to leave New York, where he was headed for the
Hall of Fame with the Yankees to go play in
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Seattle where people didn't get to watch him play. He
still put up good numbers. You know, he's been derailed
because of the steroids and all that. But he's another
guy who took the money and left for a situation
where he probably should have played his whole career with
the Yankees, right, and and look, he did get so
much more money. It's kind of hard, right, but you're right,
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he fell off the map. And he still was playing
pretty well. But to your point, he fell off the map.
I'm gonna throw another one at you, Rob, And we're
not trying to do this with New York guys. But
Jose Rays, Yeah, Jose Rays was a four time All
Star with the Mets, left and never made another All
Star team. He was another guy. He was a big
star in New York. They love, never made another All
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Star team and and you know, again had some some
solid seasons, but you know, but yeah, and we'll see
if that happens. You know. Now obviously in New York
they're wondering, is that gonna happen with Francisco lindoer, you know,
and you know what he could be. But you know,
like he left Cleveland for the big money, right, even
though the Mets are on a bad team or anything,
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or you know, but he could wind up where things
don't work out, Chris, and you can look at him.
But we'd been interested to hear from everybody out there listening. Chris. Yeah,
I mean it's pool hosts. He's seemed like a great
example of the grass is not always greener. On the
other side, another guy in basketball rival, LaMarcus Aldreds, Yep,
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you know with this. He wasn't terrible for him in
San Antonio, but you know, but it wasn't the same.
It was like like if I would have looked at
that situation, I would say in el yeah, exactly, he
should have stayed put. He would have had Dame Lillard
and you know, I don't think they would have won
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you get your podcast. And you know Russell Westbrook is
gonna average a triple double rob for the fourth year.
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I want to ask you before we get into the
meat of this topic. I talked about it a bit.
I don't know if it's yesterday or the day before.
I just it's so phenomenal to me that this guy
could do something that Jason Kidd didn't do. Lebron didn't do,
Magic didn't do, you know, Grant Hill, Luca, We'll see.
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I mean, Luca and Yokis looked like maybe they could
do it in the future, but nobody's done it. And
I hear a lot of people saying Lebron could have
done it, and maybe, I mean, you should certainly think
his game, but the fact is he didn't. He didn't
do it. He didn't do it in the league for
eighteen years, so stock right, he didn't adn't know automatic like, oh,
Lebron could have done that? Why would if he was
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just playing Christie could have done it. It's hard And
that's what I want to ask you. Where do you think? Like,
to me, this is awesome. And I know I'm not
saying Westbrooks the second best point guard ever or even
necessarily top five or anything, but I'm gonna give him
props for this incredible feat. Where are you adding what
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he's done? I think it's incredible. I told you before.
I was really impressed when we talked about it when
he did it at Okay. See you remember we talked
about he got the MVP that year. Yep, oh yeah,
and he was winning right, and he was winning it. Remember,
his record was not wasn't five hundred. His record was
way better when he had a triple double and it
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still is. If they went like seventy five percent of
the games he gets triple doubles. That's what I'm saying, Chris.
If it was fifty fifty, then it would be like
padding numbers, or if it was below five hundred, I
wouldn't respect it. I wouldn't. I mean what it depends
if he was on a bad team and it was
five hundred, you know what I mean that that's I
think the context. But I see what you're saying. I mean, yeah,
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I'm just saying like it. It gives you real value
to it, right, it's not empty. So so so I
have a lot of respect for what he's able to do.
I like him from the standpoint. I think he's a
little too sensitive. But a lot of these guys are.
I just think that, you know, to worry about everything
people are saying about you. But I think that's this
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new generation, you know, I really do that they're bothered
by people saying stuff. But and I go ahead, no,
but but um, I respect the way he plays. He
doesn't cheat fans, his teammates, he doesn't take a day off.
He don't take because he's trying to win and he's
playing hard all the time. I appreciate that, right absolutely,
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And so he's but he's getting starting to get criticism,
as the all the greats do when they don't win championships.
And it'll look when he retires, Yeah, people will say
if he doesn't win one, he's one of the greatest
ever to never win the championship. You know, it comes
up with Charles Barkley, it comes up with Patrick Ewing
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all that. But for the most part, though, Rob they
get their love, you know what I mean, Like everybody
acknowledges how great Barkley was and Ewing and Malone in
Stockton and Nash. It'll be the same thing with Westbrook
if he never wins a championship. But in the moment,
you know, you're getting criticized because that's why it's about winning.
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And so Oscar Robertson spoke with Mark Stein, our former colleague,
over at the Old Place, and he talked about I
don't yes, we don't have sounds, so I'll read kind
of what he said, but let me paint the kinds
of everybody knows for the most part that Oscar average
a triple double before Westbrook did it. He was the
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only player ever to average a triple double for a season.
But you gotta put it in context for the younger
people listening to Chris, Yes, Cincinnati used to have a
basketball teams, right like like people, don't you know when
you hear the NBA Cincinnati right, No, we're talking about
it yesterday Syracuse, Right, I mean that was way back.
(14:34):
For what about the Kansas City, the Kansas City roy
It was Kansas City. Uh, it was like cities. Ohha,
Kansas City omahaha. That's when when Tiny Archibald led the
league in scoring and assist it was for the Kansas
City omaha. Uh what was it the Royals? What was
(14:55):
their Kings? Kings right, Kansas City Omaha, Kings, I believe, yeah, yeah, yea,
because they woud up going to Sacramento. That's the two
yeah yeah. And Cincinnati is that they that's the Kings
like they used to Cincinnati franchise. But anyway, Oscar, here's
I want to throw this out to Rob and it
doesn't sound quite as impressive since Westbrook's done it now.
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But if you take the first Now we know Oscar
average a triple double one year, but if you take
his first five, not five random seasons, his first five
seasons in the NBA and put them together as a conglomerate,
it's like three hundred eighty four games or something like that.
He averaged a triple double for the first five seasons
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of his career in total. Because he had it, you know,
he'd have a year we average like nine point five assists,
and then another year he'd average eleven point one or something,
you know what I mean and saying with rebounds, So
they're only one year did he do it? But if
you put those five years together there he averaged a
triple double over those five years, so which is incredible.
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And remember there were no three pointers, right, And I'm
just saying, like in scoring, Chris a little obviously easier
with with all the threes. Oh yeah, Now they played,
they played at a hectic pace. I mean they shot
tons of they chopped more back then. So that's why
you that's one reason you saw these guys getting all
these rebounds, because you know, will average twenty seven. And
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also a lot of those guys have terrible shooting percentages.
Chris huh right, the shooting lower. Bob Coozi's under forty percentage,
Consider's thirty seven percent or something like that. Right when
I looked at his numbers, I was like, what Bill
Russell's But you know, we gotta we gotta show respect
because we talked about it with quarter. Now, we didn't
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see Coozy and Russell for the most part, but we
we we we saw these great quarterbacks who if you
look back nowadays at their numbers, you know what I mean,
You'll be like, we're talking about Terry brash All the
other day, Terry brash All, it's two hundred twelve touchdowns,
robbed two hundred ten interceptions. That's unbelievable, right, right, So
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any other one was different. You could go look back
at some of those stat lines and they'll be quarterbacks
Chris in a game who were twelve for twenty five
you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, and worse. I'm sure you know. Um.
But anyway, Oscar defended Russell from against the criticism, which
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makes sense consider you know, Oscar didn't win a lot. Rob.
Oscar won one championship when he went to Milwaukee. After
ten years in Cincinnati, he goes to Milwaukee where they
have lou Alcinder. Of course, now, Kareem Abdul Jabbar. They
won the championship in their first season together, and they
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didn't win another one, although they went to the finals
one more time and lost. But you're gonna now remember
they didn't have a mini playoff series back then. But
Oscar Rob, I'm gonna ask you to guess, in ten
years with the Cincinnati Royals. How many playoffs series you
think he won Cincinnati was the team wasn't good. It
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was a bad situation. I'm gonna say two times in
those ten years. Wow, did you lock that up? No? Two?
You're right, yeah, No, I know that, Chris. I know
the history of it because you know, I worked there,
and I would just remember there have been a number
of people, Chris, who have tried to bring the NBA
back to Cincinnati. This was in the nineties, like trying
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to get a team back, right, And who's the biggest
guy against it? Oscar really the biggest against it because
he still lives there, doesn't. Yeah, but he was mad
at the people because they didn't come to the games.
It was a downtrodden organization, you know what I mean.
Like he's kind of bitter over how they treated that
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team and while he was there, Chris so, but he's
always been like a day I didn't know that though,
I'm mad Oscar. You know, I lived in Cincinnati when
I was a kid and met Oscar when I was
like four years old. My one of my cousins babysat
for him, and she was older obviously, but um so, yeah,
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I remember being at his house and meeting meeting him.
You know, I'm a kid four years old, but I
just remember when you when you tried to dribble a
basketball with laces. It felt crazy. Right. Where's Craig Melvin
when you need him? All right? Um? But anyway, so
so the big old Rob uh supported Westbrook. And here's
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what he said. I think criticism happens with great basketball
players like Westbrook and myself. I was with Cincinnati for
many years, but we never made any notable trades to
get better players. If you look back through the history
of bast just listen to what he's saying, though, Chris,
that's the little rip on Cincinnati. It never made it. Yeah, yep, yep, yep.
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And he said, I always tell people this, every team
that won the championship has made key trades. Boston got
Bill Russell. Red Arbach was a stute at getting older
starters from other teams to play off the bench for him.
And he said, Look, players don't win championships by themselves.
You gotta have good management and you need to get
with the right group of players. Let me say this
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about Lebron. I was talking to Lebron once before he
went to Miami. And this was maybe a year or
two before he made his decision, but you know, it
was starting to come up. Everybody's talking about it, and
I was talking to him and he was like, look,
he wasn't saying he was leaving, but he was just like,
you gotta go to a good organization. And he was like,
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I've done my research and there's only soul a handful
of organizations that have won championships, you know, and it
was true. You know, you think back Rob, Detroit, the Lakers,
the Celtics, Houston, Philadelphia, now Chicago because they had Jordan.
But you know what I mean, like it is true
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that the organization and the way they run things does
have a good amount to do with you know, do
you win? And so lebron knew that and he's only
gone to get I mean, Cleveland was home, but you
look at the other places. He's gone to Miami with
pat Riley and the Lakers, and I mean Lakers had
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new management. But you know what I'm saying, like they're
good organizations and so um but yeah, I Rob, I
just think players we we we talk about all the time.
When you're comparing the greats, Rob, what do you do
your nitpick and winning counts. No, winning always counts. And
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somebody tells you that winning doesn't count, then you know
what I always bring up. And I know it's unfair
to him, Chris, but I always bring up Marv Levy,
who was the coach of the Buffalo Bills. No, but,
but this is my point. If winning didn't matter, he
went to four straight Super Bowls, Chris right, if when
his name is never mentioned as one of the greatest
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coaches or the greatest coach Epford, he went four straight
super bowl because he didn't win. Winning does matter. That's
all I'm saying. It's winning does matter. Don't act like
it doesn't matter. His name never comes up. Never. Now,
you didn't win. And I'll give Oscars right in that
you do need great players. And that's why I don't
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kill Lebron and KD. In Lebron's case, especially the first
time he goes to Miami. He did what their management,
whether it was the management rob or just the city
or what they couldn't get anybody he was trying to
get Chris Bosh to go there, he wouldn't and and
earlier when he was younger, he didn't recruit you know
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Michael Red and guys like that, which he should have.
He probably regrets it now, but um, you know magic
had magic happens to go to the team with the
rain MVP, right, Kareem, I'll dul Jabar Larry Bird. Now
granted they weren't very good, right, but they had a
lot of Hall of Famers older. They had tiny Archibald right,
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Cowen's I think was still there. But then they get
McHale and Parish and the Celtics were bad, right, but
they had those names, but they were older to your point.
But but you know what I mean, doctor Jay want
it when he got Moses. Um, you need great players.
I'm not denying there's something to be said for building it,
(23:34):
and that's what the Isaiah Thomas built it, right, Uh,
Michael Jordan built it. Lebron and k d and Harden
if he wins, you know with Brooklyn or they'll never
be able to say that. Steph can say that at
least you know, like they'll never be able to say that.
And there is something to be said for building it
on your own. But you do need great players when
(23:55):
you nick though you look at all that stuff. Yeah,
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that that the NC DOUBLEA has said now that they're
(24:16):
going to allow players to capitalize or chip uh capitalize
on their name, image and the lights. They had a choice, Chris, right,
you're right. Well, and they're dragging their feet. Yeah, and
they're dragging their feet like crazy. But Georgia, their governor,
Brian Kemp, did sign the state's new bill that will
(24:38):
uh kind of begin to put some teeth to this thing.
But I don't like the teeth. But here Rob g
explain the way this is shaping up. That's right. They
did sign the new bill that's going to regulate the name,
image and likeness, which is coming full scale by the
way they're there. NA is hoping that the federal government
will get involved. So they have a uniform plan across
all fifty states. But for now to make it should
(25:01):
it should be because it gives If it's not uniform,
it's gonna give certain schools advantages. Well, yeah, they were
supposed to advantages. They were supposed to in January, and
they pushed it back the federal side of it. So
it's going to I mean like like, oh, if it's
if it's seventy you know, I could get lose up
(25:21):
to seventy five percent of the state of Georgia. And
then uh says they weren't gonna take twenty five percent
of your money, Max. Right, that's a big reason to
want to go there, isn't it? Absolutely? There you go, Rob,
Just to explain the whole thing very quickly, very succinctly,
they are allowing athletes starting July first, to make money
(25:42):
off their name, image, and likeness. This is in the
state of Georgia. However, buried in that provision states that
any school is entitled to up to seventy five percent
of whatever it is the athlete makes in any deal. So,
for example, Georgia quarterback JT. Daniels, who I assume would
(26:06):
be the biggest man on campus in Georgia, not just
on that campus, but in the entire state because college
football is came down there. If he signs a hundred
thousand dollars deal with a local car dealership to use
his picture to sell cars, Georgia could theoretically get seventy
five grand of it. He gets twenty five grand, which
(26:28):
they then would put into an account that would be
distributed to all athletes at the school that would they
would get a piece of it after they graduate. Horrible, horrible, Rob,
I hate right away did not say the same thing
exactly almost verbatim. This is terrible. I mean, this is
darn near the same thing you had before. Ye there's
(26:52):
no reach. This should be seventy five percent. That is outrageous.
I mean, look, honestly, I don't think you need you
shoon get anything, but I get it. If they're gonna
say ten percent goes through you know what I mean,
to the school whatever they're they're the team you're playing for.
Even though some of these players no matter where they
went right, they're gonna get it. But seventy five percent,
(27:14):
that that Rob, that that just upsets me to no
end because that makes no sense. I think that that's
way high. Chris, seventy five up to seventy five percent.
And if you're a school and you're entitled, why wouldn't
you take your seventy five percent cut? Well, the one
one thing, and this is why they need to make
(27:36):
it uniform with the federal government. But you know, because
what if Georgia Tech saying we won't take anything you
come here. If you go to Georgia, they're taking seventy
five percent, So that could get it balance it out.
But but my thing too, Rob, I'm gonna say this too,
and I've always felt this way when we talk about
college athletes getting paid. I'm sorry to me, the lacrosse
(27:59):
players shouldn't get paid. Now. If a lacrosse player is
good enough and some local you know, car dealership or
something where I wants to deal with their money, but
I'm not This is not This is a capitalistic society,
all right. And you you go to college and you
learn what you can do how to make your way
(28:19):
in a capitalistic society. And so if if J. T.
Daniels is the one that's the superstar and his talent
affords him the opportunity to get this endorsement deal, he
should get the money. Not the the wrestler, you know that,
not the the woman's softball player, not the even not
(28:42):
the basketball player. If he's not getting offered the deal,
it should go to that guy. This is they're trying
to soften it by saying, oh, we're gonna give it
to all the athletes. No, Rob, My argument about players
being paid is that they generate so much money. Right,
college sports, I don't think we should I should have
(29:04):
got paid. We weren't generating any money. In Division three.
You weren't sell so I don't you know. It wasn't
about It's not about they should just get paid. It's
about in the certain sports football and basketball mainly, they
are generating so much money that it is it is
robbery for them not to get paid. The other sports.
(29:26):
It is legitimately an extracurricular activity for a lot of
these other Division one sports. And we talked about it before, right,
didn't we talk about like the basketball March madness CBS
and to deal with TBS and Turner or whatever. Right,
six billion dollars, Chris, six billion? Would it be exactly? Really?
(29:50):
Six billion? And there's nothing and there's nothing for them, right.
That's that's it. That is what is wrong. And I'm
sorry if the women's basketball team isn't generating what the
men's is, it is what it is. It's the same
reason Rob, that the NBA superstars get paid more than
the w NBA. When the w NBA starts generating that
(30:11):
kind of money, then we'll talk. I'm just life. This
is life, all right, We talked about it all the time.
We make it what Colin cow Hurd is making. No,
it's life. It's supplying demand, even though pretty soon, you know,
maybe maybe it's a little closer about that. I thought
(30:33):
that was literally a note that was Scott on the
other mark. I don't get fired. No, I'm with you.
I like the idea, but this again, it's misguided and
it misses the mark. It misses the mark. And if
I'm a player, I'm not agreeing to seventy five. I
just that that seems like a huge number. That you
(30:57):
mean to tell me? I just said, signed a deal
with somebody, Chris, for them to do a documentary on
my life and walk around with me, right, and they're
gonna pay me ten million dollars for my one year
at Georgia Tech. That's that's what the document you're gonna get.
The school's gonna get seventy and a half million. Come on,
(31:18):
that is ridiculous. That is really I mean, who in
the world came up with that? I'm serious. That is horrible.
That's horrible, And I don't think it's gonna work, rob
because I mean, unless the federal government does the same thing.
But that that is just that to me, that's a
(31:40):
slap in the face to the student. And I get it.
They're gonna try to argue, Hey, but we're giving it
to all the students. No, it shouldn't work that way,
all right, it should be the argument. It's never robbed.
Has anybody ever argued that the cross country team should
get paid? No, there's no argument. It's all about the
(32:01):
football in basketball. Even baseball is great at sport and
as popular as that is in America, that's not the
same on the college level. No, it's just it's about
the football and the basketball players period. When you get
to the majors, you might get a three hundred million
dollar contract, Chris, I guarantee, but not in college. Right,
So this this is terrible to me, and I um,
(32:24):
I'm just again, I guess it's all up to the
federal government. Maybe, but maybe we're in the minority. Maybe
people think this is a good deal. I'd love to
hear what people think about it, Chris. Maybe we're in
the minority on this, but I'm with you a seventy
five twenty five split? Yeah, what is this Rob I'm with?
I mean, what would you be comfortable with? Because again,
(32:47):
I wouldn't mind it if the schools don't get anything.
It's my money, right, I don't one they're coming after.
I don't mind giving them a little bit if Okay,
I'm playing for Georgia and here's what I'll say. Here's
what I'll say, Yes they can get a little bit, Chris,
Because like the NFL, if you're an NFL player and
you're doing commercials and you're using the NFL, you're using
(33:11):
your uniform or whatever, then they the NFL gets a
piece of it. You know what I'm saying, I hear
the different thing. I'd say the differently. I mean, I'm
just saying the difference between Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes
are doing State Farm. They're not in uniform. They don't
have to wear a uniform. Right. Maybe there's another guy
(33:32):
who's a Green Bay packer that people if you don't
have a packers uniform or people don't know him, Chris,
the NFL is entitled or the packers are entitled to
a piece of that. He's using their uniform. I hear you,
and that yeah, And I think you could also argue
that what makes Aaron Rodgers or Pat Mahons special is
(33:54):
there in the NFL, right, so that you could say, again,
it shouldn't be anywhere near seventy five percent. But if
you if they get a swam percentage or a percentage, fine.
But in college is different because there's nowhere else to
go other than the NFL. But in college you can't say, oh,
it's because you're at the University of Georgia that you're
getting this deal. No, if he's that good or she's
(34:16):
that good, they would get the same deal at Alabama
or the same dealer. You see, Hella, you know what
I mean. So I think it's a little bit different
with college. But I'm fine if they get a little
something whatever. Yeah, that's that is that is that's insulting
to me.
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