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The Graham Or should I say the grizam? Is that?
Is that outdated? Guys? Mainly I'm asking Alex, I don't
I don't think rob G knows to throw THEA in
there the Grizzam. Yes, that's played out, rob G, that's
played out. Chris? Would that the fact that y'all say
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did played it's played out? It means I'm gonna keep
saying it. All right? What does it? Does it make
you feel young again? No? I said Rob? I said
the Grizam, you know how dudes throw the dam And
I asked him if that's uh played out and they said,
between the trust its car and the died fro Christian whatever,
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you can feel young again. Bow my daughter. I told you.
My daughter said, I'm going through a midlife crisis. I
feel great. I'm not going through a midlife crisis. I
just my girls are out at school. It's like Rob,
you said it many times. It's like I got a
new job, Like I got a raise, right, That's why
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I ran out and bought that big expensive car that
you know most people could never I'm not going say
what you're driving. No, I'm just saying I didn't tell
what kind of card? Is just a card. I'm happy
for you. But yeah, Chris, you know, I don't know
is it really a midlife crisis or at your age,
is it a back nine crisis? You know what I'm saying?
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Oh wow, I mean if I'm on the back nine,
where are you at? I'm under the dirt. A friend
of mine it texts me like, oh, I see your car.
He lives right around here, and and he he's a
little older than me, and he was like he this
dude has a Hummer, Rob and he was married. I
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don't know, he was married for like twenty something years,
got divorced a few years ago. She's got his own crib.
He's got a Hummer. This is all same is he
got divorced, he's got the hummer, he's got a Porsche,
and he's got a Bins. Wow. I mean but thinking that,
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I'm like, dude, like now that look, I'm like, hey,
I don't know if it's a bidlife crisis or what. Yeah,
because that's something that is like splurgeon. So uh but anyway,
and you know why, you know why I can buy that, Chris,
because he saved money on the Aspert. Then he don't
have to take anymore where Craig Melvin, he's always good
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for a laugh. I tell you that was one that
was a good one. Um. But anyway, we got Antonio
Daniels uh, one of our favorites to talk NBA coming
up at the bottom of the hour. But Rob, let's
stick with the NBA speaking of it. And you know,
Russell Westbrook is gonna average a triple double rob for
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the fourth year. I want to ask you before we
get into the meat of this topic. I talked about
it a bit. I don't know if it's yesterday or
the day before. I just it's so phenomenal to me,
um that this guy could do something that Jason Kidd
didn't do. Lebron didn't do, Magic didn't do. You know,
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Grant Hill, Luca, We'll see. I mean, Luca and Yokis
looked like maybe they could do it in the future,
but nobody's done it. And I hear a lot of
people saying Lebron could have done it, and maybe, I mean,
you should certainly think his game, But the fact is
he didn't. He didn't do it. He didn't do it
in the league for eighteen years, so stock right, he didn't.
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Didn't know automatic like Lebron could have done that? Why
would if he was just playing? Christie could have done it.
It's hard, and that's what I want to ask you.
Where do you think? Like, to me, this is awesome.
And I know I'm not saying Westbrook's the second best
point guard ever or even necessarily top five or anything,
but I'm gonna give him props for this incredible feat.
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Where are you adding what he's done? I think it's incredible.
I told you before I was really impressed when we
talked about it when he did it at Okay. See
you remember we talked about he got the MVP that year. Yeah,
oh yeah, and he was winning, right, and he was winning. Remember,
his record was not wasn't five hundred. His record was
way better when he had a triple double and it
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still is. They went like seventy five percent of the
games he gets triple double. That's what I'm saying, Chris.
If it was fifty fifty, then it would be like
padding numbers. Or if it was below five hundred, I
wouldn't respect it. I wouldn't. I mean what it depends
if he was on a bad team and it was
five hundred, you know what I mean. That's I think
the context. But I see what you're saying. I mean, yeah,
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I'm just saying like it. It gives you real value
to it, right, it's not empty. So so so I
have a lot of respect for what he's able to do.
I like him from the standpoint. I think he's a
little too sensitive, but a lot of these guys are.
I just think that, you know, to worry about everything
people are saying about you. But I think that's this
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new generation, you know, I really do that. They're bothered
by people saying stuff but and I no, but but
um I respect the way he plays. He doesn't cheat fans,
his teammates, he doesn't take a day off. He don't
take because he's trying to win and he's playing hard
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all the time. I appreciate that, right absolutely, And um
so he's but he's getting starting to get criticism as
the all the greats do when they don't win championships.
And it'll look when he retires. Yeah, people will say
if he doesn't win one, he's one of the greatest
ever to never win the championship. You know, it comes
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up with Charles Barkley, it comes up with Patrick Ewing
all that. But for the most part, though, Rob, they
get their love, you know what I mean, Like everybody
acknowledges how great Barkley was, and Ewing and Malone in
Stockton and Nash. It'll be the same thing with Westbrook
if he never wins a championship. But in the moment,
you know, you're getting criticized because that's why it's about winning.
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And so Oscar Robertson spoke with Mark Stein, our former colleague,
over at the Old Place, and uh, he talked about.
I don't I guess we don't have sounds, so I'll
read kind of what he said, but let me paint
the kinds of everybody knows for the most part that
Oscar average a triple double before Westbrook did it. He
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was the only player ever to average a triple double
for a season. But you gotta put it in context
for the younger people listening. Chris, Yes, Cincinnati used to
have a basketball team, Royals, right, Like like people, don't
you know when you hear the NBA Cincinnati right. No,
we talked about it yesterday, Syracuse, right, I mean that
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was way back. For what about the Kansas City, the
Kansas City roy It was Kansas City. Uh, it was
like cities Oha, Kansas City Omaha. That's when when Tiny
Archibald led the league in scoring and assist it was
for the Kansas City Omaha. What was it the Royals?
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What was their Kings? Kings right, Kansas City Omaha, Kings,
I believe, yah, yeah, yeah, because they wound up going
to Sacramento. That's the two yeah yeah, and Cincinnati is
that they that's the Kings like they used to Cincinnati franchise.
But anyway, Oscar. Here's I want to throw this out
to Rob and it doesn't sound quite as impressive since
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Westbrooks has done it now, But if you take the
first Now we know Oscar average a triple double one year,
but if you take his first five, not five random seasons,
his first five seasons in the NBA and put them
together as a conglomerate, it's like three hundred eighty four
games or something like that. He averaged a triple double
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for the first five seasons of his career in total,
because he had it. You know, he'd have a year
we average like nine point five assists, and then another
year he'd average eleven point one or something, you know
what I mean, and saying with rebounds, So they're only
one year did he do it. But if you put
those five years together, he averaged a triple double over
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those five years, so which is incredible. And remember there
were no three pointers, right, And I'm just saying, like
in scoring, Chris a little obviously easier with with all
the threes. Oh yeah, Now they played they played at
a hectic pace. I mean they shot tons of they
chopped more back then. So that's why you that's one
reason you saw these guys getting all these rebounds because
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you know, will average twenty seven. And also a lot
of those guys have terrible shooting percentages Chris huh right,
the shooting lower Bob Coozi's under forty percentage, Christ's thirty
seven percent and something like that. Right when I looked
at his numbers, I was like, what Bill Russell's fort
But you know, we gotta, we gotta show respect because
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we talked about it with quarter Now we didn't see
Coozy and Russell for the most part, but no, we
we we we saw these great quarterbacks who if you
look back nowadays at their numbers, you know what I mean,
You'll be like, we're talking about Terry brasha all the
other day. Terry Brashall has two hundred twelve touchdowns, rob
two hundred ten interceptions. That's unbelievable, right, right, So another
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one is different. You could go look back at some
of those stat lines and they'll be quarterbacks Chris in
a game who were twelve for twenty five you know, yeah,
yea yeah, and worse. I'm sure you know. Um. But anyway,
Oscar defended Russell from against the criticism, which makes sense
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consider you know, Oscar didn't win a lot. Rob Oscar
won one championship when he went to Milwaukee after ten
years in Cincinnati. He goes to Milwaukee where they have
lou Alcinder. Of course, now Kareem Abdul Jabbar. They won
the championship in their first season together, and they didn't
win another one, although they went to the finals one
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more time and lost. But you're gonna now remember they
didn't have as many playoffs series back then. But Oscar
rib I'm gonna ask you the guests in ten years
with the Cincinnati Royals, how many playoff series you think
he won? Cincinnati was the team wasn't good. It was
a bad situation. I'm gonna say two times in those
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ten years. Wow, did you look that up? No? Two?
You're right, yeah, No, I know that, Chris. I know
the history of it because you know I worked there,
and I would just remember there have been a number
of people, Chris, who have tried to bring the NBA
back to Cincinnati. This was in the nineties, like trying
to get a team back, right, And who's the biggest
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guy against it? Oscar really the biggest against it because
he still lives there, doesn't Yeah, but he was mad
at the people because they didn't come to the games.
It was a downtrodden organization, you know what I mean. Like,
he's kind of bitter over how they treated that team
and while he was there, Chris so, but he's always
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been like a day I didn't know that though. I
met Oscar. You know, I lived in Cincinnati when I
was a kid, and met Oscar when I was like
four years old. My one of my cousins babysat for him,
and she was older obviously, but um so, yeah, we
I remember being at his house and meeting meeting him.
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You know, I'm a kid four years old, But I
just remember when you when you tried to dribble a
basketball with laces, it felt crazy. Right, Where's Craig Melvin
when you need him? All right? Um? But anyway, so,
so the big old Rob uh supported Westbrook, and here's
what he said. I think criticism happens with great basketball
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players like Westbrook and myself. I was with Cincinnati for
many years, but we never made any notable trades to
get better players. If you look back through the history
of BASCAR. Listening to what he's saying, though, Chris, that's
the little rip on Cincinnati that never made it. Yeah right, yep, yep.
And he said, I always tell people this, every team
that won the championship has made key trades. Boston got
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Bill Russell. Red Arbach was a stute at getting older
starters from other teams to play off the bench for him,
and he said, look, players don't win championships by themselves.
You gotta have good management and you need to get
with the right group of players. Let me say this
about Lebron. I was talking to Lebron once before he
went to Miami. And this was maybe a year or
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two before he made his decision, but you know, it
was starting to come up. Everybody's talking about it, and
I was talking to him and he was like, look,
he wasn't saying he was leaving, but he was just like,
you gotta go to a good organization. And he was like,
I've done my research and there's only Soul a handful
of organizations that have won championships, you know, and it's
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it was true. You know, you think back Rob Detroit,
the Lakers, the Celtics, Houston, Philadelphia, now Chicago because they
had Jordan. But you know what I mean, Like, it
is true that the organization and the way they run
things does have a good amount to do with you know,
do you win? And so lebron knew that and he's
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only gone to get I mean Cleveland was home, but
you look at the other places. He's gone to Miami
with pat Riley and the Lakers, and I mean Lakers
had new management. But you know what I'm saying, like
they're good organizations and so um. But yeah, I Rob,
I just think players we we talk about all the time.
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When you're comparing the greats, Rob, what do you do
your nitpick? And winning counts? No, winning always counting. Somebody
tells you that winning doesn't count. Then you know what
I always bring up. And I know it's unfair to him, Chris,
but I always bring up Marv Leave who was the
coach of the Buffalo Bills. No, but but this is
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my point. If winning didn't matter, he went to four
straight Super Bowls, Chris, right, if when his name is
never mentioned as one of the greatest coaches or the
greatest coach, Efford, he went four straight Super bowl because
he didn't win. Winning does matter. That's all I'm saying.
It's winning does matter. Don't act like it doesn't matter.
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His name never comes up. Never. Now, you didn't win.
And I give Oscar's right in that you do need
great players. And that's why I don't kill Lebron and
k D. In Lebron's case, especially the first time he
goes to Miami, he did what their management, whether it
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was the management rob or just the city or what
they couldn't get anybody. He was trying to get Chris
Bosh to go there, he wouldn't. And and earlier when
he was younger, he didn't recruit you know, Michael Red
and guys like that, which he should have. He probably
regrets it now, but um, you know magic had magic
happens to go to the team with the reigning MVP, right, Kareem,
(16:08):
I'll do with Jabar Larry Bird. Now granted they weren't
very good, right, but they had a lot of Hall
of Famers older. They had tiny Archibald right, Cowen's I
think was still there. But then they get McHale and
Parish and the right. But they had those names, but
they were older to your point. But but you know
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what I mean, doctor j want it when he got Moses. Um,
you need great players. I'm not denying. There's something to
be said for building it, and that's what the Isaiah
Thomas built it, right, Uh, Michael Jordan built it. Lebron
and k D and Harden if he wins, you know,
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with Brooklyn or they'll never be able to say that.
Steph can say that at least you know, like they'll
never be able to say that. And there is something
to be said for building it on your own. But
you didn't need great players when you nitpick though, you
look at all that stuff. Yeah, that's w Yeah, all right,
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much your Westbrooks lack of a ring? You know assuming
he doesn't get one impact his legacy. All right, let's
kick it off with Ray in Seattle. You're on the
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odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up right? What's
going on? Gentlemen? Ye? Yes, sir, all right, I just
gotta throw some names out and I don't want to
say anything else. Stopped in Malone, I ever sinned, Barkley,
all those guys without a ring? What did they do
to their legacy? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I
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mean they're obviously all Hall of famers and all time
grades and legends. Um. And some of it too, depends
on how you win your ring. And Rob we've talked
about that. Gary Payton's got a ring with Miami. Does
that that it doesn't really right? And even David Robinson
who won two with Duncan his second when he definitely
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was far from his own son. The first one was okay,
But does they really impact his legacy that much? I mean,
you know it helps a little, but you know, so
it depends ends on how you win it too. Um
Like if Stop if Malone had won it with the Lakers,
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Rob it would have been great for him and he
got his ring. But yeah, yeah, you have to be
in your prime, which Westbrook still is. So if he
won one soon, it will help. I think hard and Rob, yeah, okay,
in the back of your mind, just like you do
with Durant, you would you're gonna say, well, they were stacked.
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But still I think he's at the He's still like
some people try to could argue he's the best player
in the world and so he's still playing at such
a high level. It will if they win it this year,
it will have a very positive impact on his legacy.
And if they just say, I'm just hypothetical, Chris, if
he wins two right, say they win they won the
(20:49):
two in Golden State back to back, and then he
wins two here back to back, It'd be hard to
deny that he has a lot to do with winning championship. No,
when I think even if they win on little Rob,
I think he is their most important player. You know,
I've said I don't think they can win the championship
(21:10):
without him, and I think if they wouldn't, I'm gonna
throw this out hypothetically, if they wouldn't, say they win
the next two rings and he's the finals MVP, I
think you will be able if you. You know, if
he plays great like he's been playing, you might be
there might be an argument that he's better than Durant
(21:31):
because I think they're close man and Durant. You know,
he would have more rings, but obviously he had the
two in Golden State that that was such a great
team before he even got there. So I think this
still have an impact on for Harden for sure. Um yeah, yeah,
all right, uh eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox
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Reggie in Minnesota, you're on the couple of Fox Sports traded.
What's up, Reggie, what's up? What's up? I appreciate you others.
It's tough here in Brooklyn, Minnesota, you know, dealing with
we're dealing with as far yeah, situation out Hey, I
appreciate you. So every day I drive home and you
guys give me peace. Man, I appreciate that. Cool. Cool.
So I'm calling about Westbrook and I think that by
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not winning, it's solidified that he is one of the
best individual players in history, but it does not make
him great. And in fact, he played with great players.
He had great players, and when they left and which
other team they excelled and they were successful. And so
again he's the factor, at least the common factor as
(22:37):
relates to maybe he's a negative in the in the
context he's so great as an individual player, he actually
harms teams because he's not a great team player. He's
not great in that way, similar to what Chris Way
you would talk about as far as AI So, I
think as far as greatness, I think you got to
win to be great. But you can be the best
(22:58):
like Barkley and be in individual greatness lies with winning. No,
I don't disagree with that. Winning does put you on
that greatness level. Like, No, that's fair. It depends on
how you want to determine greatness. I mean, I think
Charles Barkley was great. I'd say Westbrook was great. But yeah,
but you know, some people want to say, would you
would I agree with that Chris saying that Charles Barkley
(23:20):
was great, but you would pick other people a similar
stats to him, who maybe won a championship or two
over him. Is that fair? Um? So they had similar stats,
I've argued. I think you can argue that Barkley is
the best power forwardever, Like, I don't know if I
would necessarily say Elvin Hayes was better than Barkley. But
(23:42):
Elvin Hayes won a championship. Uh, but I don't I
don't know. He was great. Yeah, yeah, he had similar numbers.
You know, Um, Gardnett, do you put Gardnett ahead of Barkley? No? Okay, So,
I mean it's a it's a tough you know, but
I'm just trying to say. I hear what you're saying. Everything, everything, all,
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everything's except one guy won two championships and the other
guy didn't. Right, you're gonna typically put Yeah, the guy
with the championships ahead. I agree with you on that. Yeah.
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(24:46):
radio host Antonio Daniels, What up, Ron, what's up right? Yes? Man,
we are good, We're good. We were just talking Russell Westbrook.
And I'm gonna ask you this question. That's a guy
that played with really two incredible players who were you know,
(25:07):
totally about the team. Not that Westbrook isn't, but you know,
Tim Duncan certainly a guy that could have put up
bigger numbers than he did, as great as his numbers were,
but he was just you know, really play within the
system in one obviously, and you want a championship with him.
And I'm gonna ask you Westbrook, who's a different type
(25:30):
of player, how much does it impact his legacy or
how much should it impact his legacy that he hasn't
won a championship? And let's say if he never does
win one, well, I think it's going to impact everyone's
legacy if they don't win a championship, right or wrong?
Because when you start to talk about the greatest, when
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you start to talk about the league to the game, now,
it comes down to splitting hairs, and what always separates
them is championships. Like you look at Moody, like Carl Malone,
do you look at somebody like John Stockton. What separates
Karl Malone from Tim Duncan. That's it, you know, when
you start to get into the elites of the game,
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and it's not just about stats anymore. There has to
be something that starts to separate these guys. And we
can look at Russell Westbrook. I think we have two
point guards that are playing in the NBA right now
that I think will be the most unappreciated point guards
in history. We give guys are flowers. We give John
Stockton as flowers. We give Isaiah Thomas as flowers. We
(26:33):
give Magic Johnson as flowers. You can go down to list,
Steve Nash, Jayton Kidd. I think that Russell Westbrook and
Chris Paul when they're all done, would be two of
the most unappreciated and underappreciated point guards to ever play
the game. Now, hold on if quickly right, if I
can get it. You don't think what about the fact
that Restbrook has the four triple double seasons, because I
(26:55):
would agree with you, But I think people gotta look
at that unless Luca and Yo could start averaging triple doubles.
I mean, I just think people are gonna have to
look at that and say, yo that what can you say?
I agree that, yeah. But here's the thing though, to
think about how we've we've think about how these triple
doubles have been viewed. When I wasn't okay seed prior
(27:18):
to coming to the New Orleans pelicant I was an
okay seed for four years. So I went on many
different platforms with many different hosts having these same conversation,
and they all downplayed the triple doubles. Oh well, you
know what, he's stat padding. Steven Adams is clearing guys
out so we can get rebounds, all these other kinds
of things that you hear. And right now, if you
look at his trible doubles, he is a hundred and
(27:39):
thirty four and forty five Chris, that's his retort, and
one hundred and thirty four and forty five. Wow, Antonio,
I'm gonna put my I'm gonna put my hand up
because Chris knows that that I wasn't one of those guys.
I was saying. Just what you're saying about the record
on how they win. That's not stat padding, right, I agree,
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But so manytions I've had and then and now you hear, well,
you know what the game is faster, there's more opportunity
for triple doubles. When the shot is taken, the show
crock is reset to fourteen, which gives you more possessions.
So people are thinking of every possible way, because you
know what, we hate to give flowers to somebody. As
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far as greatness its concerned, when it's playing out right
before our eyes, we hate it. There's so many people
that dislike the fact that Russell Westbrook is about the past,
the big Old for whatever reason, because it's playing out
right before us. The same way if you hear the
greatest of all time of something right now, I've debated
with people if depth create the greatest shooter of all time,
that's not even a debate. To me, that's not even close.
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But what people will tell you is, I don't know
about all time where you're gonna go back and look
at this dude and this dude and this dude. We
hate to give all time and put that and attach
that to guys that are playing out right before our eyes. Now.
I just I don't want to get into a big argument,
but I just have. If I were to ask you
what big shot Steph Curry's made with the game on
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the line in the final ten seconds, you can't give
me one because he's open. Oh no, no, no, no,
I'm never just I don't want to get into it
because it's Steph Curry. But I would take Reggie Miller,
and I would take Ray Allen over Steph Curry any day.
Not maybe not for the first four quarters or four
quarters minus ten seconds, but I would take those guys
to make a big shot any day over Steph Curry. Okay,
(29:30):
but see that's not that's not the question though, Right,
that's best Reggie Clutch, no doubt, You're right. You're going
somewhere different you're talking about. I said the greatest shooter
of all time. You threw another word in there to
take it to a different place. You said clutch. I
didn't say the greatest clutch shooter. But tell me I
played with Ray Allen. I played with Ray for two years,
(29:53):
Ray Allen, Reggie Miller could even of those guys shooting
the ball like Steph Curry could with distance and accuracy. No,
I give all that, but I think you to be
the greatest shooter shooter. There's gotta be also some big
shots in there. When I think of my and I
covered Michael Jordan is heyday. I mean I was sitting
there courtside. I can't unremember or a block out that
(30:17):
shot he made against Cleveland. I was sitting courtside in
that game to win a series with a guy in
his face. And I always think of shots like that
that stick in when you when you show a highlight
of Michael Jordan, it's that Steph Curry shot. Might be
a three quarter shot or whatever you want to make it,
but it ain't no big game winning shot that that
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that did something for his team. And I'm just saying
that's the difference with me. I'm different. I hear you,
I hear that, and then I hear that I hear
exactly what you're saying. But also another big difference in
the three A side that makes it different as well, Right,
no three step six three Michael Jordan's six six D
and six seven Ray six five six six as well.
(30:59):
But no, I get what say not a D I
got to clear something up. I would I had you.
I don't know if it was a Pelicans game or
it was on halftime. I think you and David Wesley
we're having a conversation, you know, what I'm talking about probably,
and I was only catching bits is that? Am I wrong? You?
(31:21):
And David? Okay? So I was only I was put
it was on doing our show, So I was turning
on during the break listening to you guys. No, no,
I think you were saying that the two toughest guys
you ever had the guard. I think what I caught
(31:44):
Michael Jordan and Kobe, and if I remember David, that
was okay, but so David. But was David Wesley saying
something like they weren't that tough for me because I
could get up under him, or something like that, You're
in my in my off out Because what we were
saying was different gods gave different challenges. So I tall
(32:04):
as far as athleticism and creativity, it was Michael Jordan
and Kobe, but it's far as speed and shifting it
it was Alan Iverson and Stephan Marbury. And what David
was saying about Michael and Kobe was they weren't took
the guard because if they gave you forty, they were
expected to give you forty. Yeah everybody forty said all right?
Because I thought he would clear that up because I
(32:25):
was like, yeah, I wanted to make sure David Wesley
wasn't saying they weren't hard to guard right now, right, yeah,
he was saying like if I went out there and
I tried to guard them and they gave me forty,
then I would go somewhere, go home and turn on
the TV the next night and they give us somebody
else forty. Right, different, So no pressure. Yeah, you weren't
expected to stop them. Okay, Okay, I tall this so, Chris.
(32:50):
I was watching you this morning on TV, and I
agree with you one hundred percent. I agree one percent
about Yes, Yeah, I mean, go ahead. Things can be
right at the same time. Two bits can be right
at the same time. One meaning YO kids can be
the MVP too. Givin Chris Paul his prop for the
(33:10):
season that he's happened. Yeah, two things, two things can
be correct at the same time. It's not either you
know what, either Chris Paul's the MVP or you're disrespecting him. No, right, no, No,
we can recognize, we can recognize the year that Yo
kids just have it all the way across the board, points, rebounds, thesist, efficiency, winning,
all of these different things. But on the flip side,
(33:32):
we can recognize what the impact that Chris Paul's had
in Phoenix as well. So you think you can be
right at the same time, and you know nowadays and
you notice a d everybody tries to make it like, oh,
if you don't think Lebron's the greatest player ever, you're
killing him, you know what I mean? Or you're killing
Michael if you think it's Lebron Like no, So I
totally agree with you. Man. Look great stuff as always, brother,
(33:55):
we appreciate the knowledge and the insight. Thanks a lot
for sure. I alright, all right, brother Peace the great
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got into it about John Carlos Stanton. That ball is
it was a big week, a big league who's a
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five by? Is it foul? Or is it fair? And Now?
From MLB bro dot Com, here's JR gamball Yankees d
H G and Carlos Stanton has been on a tear
for the Yankees of late and fans wanted them out
of town not too long ago, and he's carried the
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team above five hundred and towards the top in the
Al East? Jr? Is it foul or fair to say
that Stanton could be in the MVP contention? Now fair?
That's a fair ball Byron Bucks Then and Mike Trout
are both hitting close to four hundred, but their teams
(35:45):
don't respond to their greatness. On the other hand, Stanton's
hot back coincides with the Yankees winning streak. Look at
the numbers during Stanton's ten game hit streak, where the
Yankees win seven and three. Slash lines went from one
fifty eight batting average to thirty eight OBP and three
(36:05):
thirty three slugging before the street to two ninety seven
batting average, three forty three OBP and a five forty
five slugging which is much more like it for three
hundred million dollars man. As mentioned, the Yankees are seven
and three in their last ten games and have elevated
from the seller of the Alas to just two and
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a half games behind Boston and charging hard behind the
back of this much maligned player. Yankees fans always want
to choose a player to hate. It's what they do.
It was a Rod and now with Stanton. But this
guy has pedigree, He's a former MVP, and he can
flat out play. He hasn't been healthy and now he
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looks like he's healthy enough finally to do what he
wants to do as a player and what he's more
than capable of doing as an elite slugger and black Knight.
In the game, everyone was calling him a boom, a
bus player. He only hits homers or strikes out. But
he went four for five last night and he has
obliterated that narrative by spraying the ball to all fields
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on the ground and in the air. He has three
or more hits in four of his last five games.
That doesn't sound like a one dimensional hitter than me.
If the Yankees continue to rise in the standings and
Stanton continues to rake at this pace, then you have
to put him into the MVP conversation because his back
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has elevated the Yankees out of the dog drums. And
that's what they pay him the big bucks for. So
people can stop asking. Stanton's here to stay, and it's
foul for anybody to think otherwise. And j R. Gamble
was right on the money standing extended his hitting string
string string string. Today, the Yankees lost the game, they've
(37:57):
been streaking their loss, but he d a couple more
hits and has continued to swing a hot bat. Had
a home run in the game against the Astros. So
there you have it, and you've got to wonder about
gian Carlo Stanton, is that maybe just maybe he's healthy
(38:18):
for the first time. It has been a struggle. He's
been in and out of the lineup. We've seen him,
you know, smash a lot of home runs in the postseason,
but he hasn't really been able to put together great
regular seasons. He's been injured too much, and he is
not a one dimensional player like either home run or strikeout.
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And we're seeing this when you bunch three four hits
and games. And today's home run, matter of fact, went
to right center field. So when you see a guy
hitting the ball all over the ballpark, it tells you
he's swinging a great bat because he's not pulling everything.
He's going with the pitch. So standing has finally arrived
(39:02):
for Yankee fans. I think that people have been waiting
for this guy, and it's kind of impressive to get
to watch him swing the bat in this way. Remember,
he was the National League MVP before he came to
the Yankees, and he was supposed to come join Judge
and San Chaz and have a murderer's role with these
(39:23):
guys swinging home runs bats and him and Judge have
been hurt most of his tenure. But if he can
stay healthy, he could be the MVP of the league.
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The Graham Or should I say the grizam? Is that?
Is that outdated? Guys? Mainly I'm asking Alex, I don't
I don't think rob G knows to throw THEA in
there the Grizzam. Yes, that's played out, rob G, that's
played out. Chris? Would that the fact that y'all say
(01:12):
did played it's played out? It means I'm gonna keep
saying it. All right? What does it? Does it make
you feel young again? No? I said Rob? I said
the Grizam, you know how dudes throw the dam And
I asked him if that's uh played out and they said,
between the trust its car and the died fro Christian whatever,
(01:33):
you can feel young again. Bow my daughter. I told you.
My daughter said, I'm going through a midlife crisis. I
feel great. I'm not going through a midlife crisis. I
just my girls are out at school. It's like Rob,
you said it many times. It's like I got a
new job, Like I got a raise, right, That's why
(01:54):
I ran out and bought that big expensive car that
you know most people could never I'm not going say
what you're driving. No, I'm just saying I didn't tell
what kind of card? Is just a card. I'm happy
for you. But yeah, Chris, you know, I don't know
is it really a midlife crisis or at your age,
is it a back nine crisis? You know what I'm saying?
(02:15):
Oh wow, I mean if I'm on the back nine,
where are you at? I'm under the dirt. A friend
of mine it texts me like, oh, I see your car.
He lives right around here, and and he he's a
little older than me, and he was like he this
dude has a Hummer, Rob and he was married. I
(02:39):
don't know, he was married for like twenty something years,
got divorced a few years ago. She's got his own crib.
He's got a Hummer. This is all same is he
got divorced, he's got the hummer, he's got a Porsche,
and he's got a Bins. Wow. I mean but thinking that,
(03:00):
I'm like, dude, like now that look, I'm like, hey,
I don't know if it's a bidlife crisis or what. Yeah,
because that's something that is like splurgeon. So uh but anyway,
and you know why, you know why I can buy that, Chris,
because he saved money on the Aspert. Then he don't
have to take anymore where Craig Melvin, he's always good
(03:22):
for a laugh. I tell you that was one that
was a good one. Um. But anyway, we got Antonio
Daniels uh, one of our favorites to talk NBA coming
up at the bottom of the hour. But Rob, let's
stick with the NBA speaking of it. And you know,
Russell Westbrook is gonna average a triple double rob for
(03:42):
the fourth year. I want to ask you before we
get into the meat of this topic. I talked about
it a bit. I don't know if it's yesterday or
the day before. I just it's so phenomenal to me,
um that this guy could do something that Jason Kidd
didn't do. Lebron didn't do, Magic didn't do. You know,
(04:04):
Grant Hill, Luca, We'll see. I mean, Luca and Yokis
looked like maybe they could do it in the future,
but nobody's done it. And I hear a lot of
people saying Lebron could have done it, and maybe, I mean,
you should certainly think his game, But the fact is
he didn't. He didn't do it. He didn't do it
in the league for eighteen years, so stock right, he didn't.
(04:24):
Didn't know automatic like Lebron could have done that? Why
would if he was just playing? Christie could have done it.
It's hard, and that's what I want to ask you.
Where do you think? Like, to me, this is awesome.
And I know I'm not saying Westbrook's the second best
point guard ever or even necessarily top five or anything,
but I'm gonna give him props for this incredible feat.
(04:48):
Where are you adding what he's done? I think it's incredible.
I told you before I was really impressed when we
talked about it when he did it at Okay. See
you remember we talked about he got the MVP that year. Yeah,
oh yeah, and he was winning, right, and he was winning. Remember,
his record was not wasn't five hundred. His record was
way better when he had a triple double and it
(05:10):
still is. They went like seventy five percent of the
games he gets triple double. That's what I'm saying, Chris.
If it was fifty fifty, then it would be like
padding numbers. Or if it was below five hundred, I
wouldn't respect it. I wouldn't. I mean what it depends
if he was on a bad team and it was
five hundred, you know what I mean. That's I think
the context. But I see what you're saying. I mean, yeah,
(05:32):
I'm just saying like it. It gives you real value
to it, right, it's not empty. So so so I
have a lot of respect for what he's able to do.
I like him from the standpoint. I think he's a
little too sensitive, but a lot of these guys are.
I just think that, you know, to worry about everything
people are saying about you. But I think that's this
(05:53):
new generation, you know, I really do that. They're bothered
by people saying stuff but and I no, but but
um I respect the way he plays. He doesn't cheat fans,
his teammates, he doesn't take a day off. He don't
take because he's trying to win and he's playing hard
(06:13):
all the time. I appreciate that, right absolutely, And um
so he's but he's getting starting to get criticism as
the all the greats do when they don't win championships.
And it'll look when he retires. Yeah, people will say
if he doesn't win one, he's one of the greatest
ever to never win the championship. You know, it comes
(06:34):
up with Charles Barkley, it comes up with Patrick Ewing
all that. But for the most part, though, Rob, they
get their love, you know what I mean, Like everybody
acknowledges how great Barkley was, and Ewing and Malone in
Stockton and Nash. It'll be the same thing with Westbrook
if he never wins a championship. But in the moment,
you know, you're getting criticized because that's why it's about winning.
(06:57):
And so Oscar Robertson spoke with Mark Stein, our former colleague,
over at the Old Place, and uh, he talked about.
I don't I guess we don't have sounds, so I'll
read kind of what he said, but let me paint
the kinds of everybody knows for the most part that
Oscar average a triple double before Westbrook did it. He
(07:19):
was the only player ever to average a triple double
for a season. But you gotta put it in context
for the younger people listening. Chris, Yes, Cincinnati used to
have a basketball team, Royals, right, Like like people, don't
you know when you hear the NBA Cincinnati right. No,
we talked about it yesterday, Syracuse, right, I mean that
(07:40):
was way back. For what about the Kansas City, the
Kansas City roy It was Kansas City. Uh, it was
like cities Oha, Kansas City Omaha. That's when when Tiny
Archibald led the league in scoring and assist it was
for the Kansas City Omaha. What was it the Royals?
(08:02):
What was their Kings? Kings right, Kansas City Omaha, Kings,
I believe, yah, yeah, yeah, because they wound up going
to Sacramento. That's the two yeah yeah, and Cincinnati is
that they that's the Kings like they used to Cincinnati franchise.
But anyway, Oscar. Here's I want to throw this out
to Rob and it doesn't sound quite as impressive since
(08:24):
Westbrooks has done it now, But if you take the
first Now we know Oscar average a triple double one year,
but if you take his first five, not five random seasons,
his first five seasons in the NBA and put them
together as a conglomerate, it's like three hundred eighty four
games or something like that. He averaged a triple double
(08:47):
for the first five seasons of his career in total,
because he had it. You know, he'd have a year
we average like nine point five assists, and then another
year he'd average eleven point one or something, you know
what I mean, and saying with rebounds, So they're only
one year did he do it. But if you put
those five years together, he averaged a triple double over
(09:09):
those five years, so which is incredible. And remember there
were no three pointers, right, And I'm just saying, like
in scoring, Chris a little obviously easier with with all
the threes. Oh yeah, Now they played they played at
a hectic pace. I mean they shot tons of they
chopped more back then. So that's why you that's one
reason you saw these guys getting all these rebounds because
(09:31):
you know, will average twenty seven. And also a lot
of those guys have terrible shooting percentages Chris huh right,
the shooting lower Bob Coozi's under forty percentage, Christ's thirty
seven percent and something like that. Right when I looked
at his numbers, I was like, what Bill Russell's fort
But you know, we gotta, we gotta show respect because
(09:52):
we talked about it with quarter Now we didn't see
Coozy and Russell for the most part, but no, we
we we we saw these great quarterbacks who if you
look back nowadays at their numbers, you know what I mean,
You'll be like, we're talking about Terry brasha all the
other day. Terry Brashall has two hundred twelve touchdowns, rob
two hundred ten interceptions. That's unbelievable, right, right, So another
(10:16):
one is different. You could go look back at some
of those stat lines and they'll be quarterbacks Chris in
a game who were twelve for twenty five you know, yeah,
yea yeah, and worse. I'm sure you know. Um. But anyway,
Oscar defended Russell from against the criticism, which makes sense
(10:36):
consider you know, Oscar didn't win a lot. Rob Oscar
won one championship when he went to Milwaukee after ten
years in Cincinnati. He goes to Milwaukee where they have
lou Alcinder. Of course, now Kareem Abdul Jabbar. They won
the championship in their first season together, and they didn't
win another one, although they went to the finals one
(10:58):
more time and lost. But you're gonna now remember they
didn't have as many playoffs series back then. But Oscar
rib I'm gonna ask you the guests in ten years
with the Cincinnati Royals, how many playoff series you think
he won? Cincinnati was the team wasn't good. It was
a bad situation. I'm gonna say two times in those
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ten years. Wow, did you look that up? No? Two?
You're right, yeah, No, I know that, Chris. I know
the history of it because you know I worked there,
and I would just remember there have been a number
of people, Chris, who have tried to bring the NBA
back to Cincinnati. This was in the nineties, like trying
to get a team back, right, And who's the biggest
(11:43):
guy against it? Oscar really the biggest against it because
he still lives there, doesn't Yeah, but he was mad
at the people because they didn't come to the games.
It was a downtrodden organization, you know what I mean. Like,
he's kind of bitter over how they treated that team
and while he was there, Chris so, but he's always
(12:04):
been like a day I didn't know that though. I
met Oscar. You know, I lived in Cincinnati when I
was a kid, and met Oscar when I was like
four years old. My one of my cousins babysat for him,
and she was older obviously, but um so, yeah, we
I remember being at his house and meeting meeting him.
(12:25):
You know, I'm a kid four years old, But I
just remember when you when you tried to dribble a
basketball with laces, it felt crazy. Right, Where's Craig Melvin
when you need him? All right? Um? But anyway, so,
so the big old Rob uh supported Westbrook, and here's
what he said. I think criticism happens with great basketball
(12:50):
players like Westbrook and myself. I was with Cincinnati for
many years, but we never made any notable trades to
get better players. If you look back through the history
of BASCAR. Listening to what he's saying, though, Chris, that's
the little rip on Cincinnati that never made it. Yeah right, yep, yep.
And he said, I always tell people this, every team
that won the championship has made key trades. Boston got
(13:11):
Bill Russell. Red Arbach was a stute at getting older
starters from other teams to play off the bench for him,
and he said, look, players don't win championships by themselves.
You gotta have good management and you need to get
with the right group of players. Let me say this
about Lebron. I was talking to Lebron once before he
went to Miami. And this was maybe a year or
(13:34):
two before he made his decision, but you know, it
was starting to come up. Everybody's talking about it, and
I was talking to him and he was like, look,
he wasn't saying he was leaving, but he was just like,
you gotta go to a good organization. And he was like,
I've done my research and there's only Soul a handful
of organizations that have won championships, you know, and it's
(13:57):
it was true. You know, you think back Rob Detroit,
the Lakers, the Celtics, Houston, Philadelphia, now Chicago because they
had Jordan. But you know what I mean, Like, it
is true that the organization and the way they run
things does have a good amount to do with you know,
do you win? And so lebron knew that and he's
(14:20):
only gone to get I mean Cleveland was home, but
you look at the other places. He's gone to Miami
with pat Riley and the Lakers, and I mean Lakers
had new management. But you know what I'm saying, like
they're good organizations and so um. But yeah, I Rob,
I just think players we we talk about all the time.
(14:43):
When you're comparing the greats, Rob, what do you do
your nitpick? And winning counts? No, winning always counting. Somebody
tells you that winning doesn't count. Then you know what
I always bring up. And I know it's unfair to him, Chris,
but I always bring up Marv Leave who was the
coach of the Buffalo Bills. No, but but this is
(15:04):
my point. If winning didn't matter, he went to four
straight Super Bowls, Chris, right, if when his name is
never mentioned as one of the greatest coaches or the
greatest coach, Efford, he went four straight Super bowl because
he didn't win. Winning does matter. That's all I'm saying.
It's winning does matter. Don't act like it doesn't matter.
(15:24):
His name never comes up. Never. Now, you didn't win.
And I give Oscar's right in that you do need
great players. And that's why I don't kill Lebron and
k D. In Lebron's case, especially the first time he
goes to Miami, he did what their management, whether it
(15:45):
was the management rob or just the city or what
they couldn't get anybody. He was trying to get Chris
Bosh to go there, he wouldn't. And and earlier when
he was younger, he didn't recruit you know, Michael Red
and guys like that, which he should have. He probably
regrets it now, but um, you know magic had magic
happens to go to the team with the reigning MVP, right, Kareem,
(16:08):
I'll do with Jabar Larry Bird. Now granted they weren't
very good, right, but they had a lot of Hall
of Famers older. They had tiny Archibald right, Cowen's I
think was still there. But then they get McHale and
Parish and the right. But they had those names, but
they were older to your point. But but you know
(16:29):
what I mean, doctor j want it when he got Moses. Um,
you need great players. I'm not denying. There's something to
be said for building it, and that's what the Isaiah
Thomas built it, right, Uh, Michael Jordan built it. Lebron
and k D and Harden if he wins, you know,
(16:51):
with Brooklyn or they'll never be able to say that.
Steph can say that at least you know, like they'll
never be able to say that. And there is something
to be said for building it on your own. But
you didn't need great players when you nitpick though, you
look at all that stuff. Yeah, that's w Yeah, all right,
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going on? Gentlemen? Ye? Yes, sir, all right, I just
gotta throw some names out and I don't want to
say anything else. Stopped in Malone, I ever sinned, Barkley,
all those guys without a ring? What did they do
to their legacy? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I
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mean they're obviously all Hall of famers and all time
grades and legends. Um. And some of it too, depends
on how you win your ring. And Rob we've talked
about that. Gary Payton's got a ring with Miami. Does
that that it doesn't really right? And even David Robinson
who won two with Duncan his second when he definitely
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was far from his own son. The first one was okay,
But does they really impact his legacy that much? I mean,
you know it helps a little, but you know, so
it depends ends on how you win it too. Um
Like if Stop if Malone had won it with the Lakers,
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Rob it would have been great for him and he
got his ring. But yeah, yeah, you have to be
in your prime, which Westbrook still is. So if he
won one soon, it will help. I think hard and Rob, yeah, okay,
in the back of your mind, just like you do
with Durant, you would you're gonna say, well, they were stacked.
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But still I think he's at the He's still like
some people try to could argue he's the best player
in the world and so he's still playing at such
a high level. It will if they win it this year,
it will have a very positive impact on his legacy.
And if they just say, I'm just hypothetical, Chris, if
he wins two right, say they win they won the
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two in Golden State back to back, and then he
wins two here back to back, It'd be hard to
deny that he has a lot to do with winning championship. No,
when I think even if they win on little Rob,
I think he is their most important player. You know,
I've said I don't think they can win the championship
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without him, and I think if they wouldn't, I'm gonna
throw this out hypothetically, if they wouldn't, say they win
the next two rings and he's the finals MVP, I
think you will be able if you. You know, if
he plays great like he's been playing, you might be
there might be an argument that he's better than Durant
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because I think they're close man and Durant. You know,
he would have more rings, but obviously he had the
two in Golden State that that was such a great
team before he even got there. So I think this
still have an impact on for Harden for sure. Um yeah, yeah,
all right, uh eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox
(21:53):
Reggie in Minnesota, you're on the couple of Fox Sports traded.
What's up, Reggie, what's up? What's up? I appreciate you others.
It's tough here in Brooklyn, Minnesota, you know, dealing with
we're dealing with as far yeah, situation out Hey, I
appreciate you. So every day I drive home and you
guys give me peace. Man, I appreciate that. Cool. Cool.
So I'm calling about Westbrook and I think that by
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not winning, it's solidified that he is one of the
best individual players in history, but it does not make
him great. And in fact, he played with great players.
He had great players, and when they left and which
other team they excelled and they were successful. And so
again he's the factor, at least the common factor as
(22:37):
relates to maybe he's a negative in the in the
context he's so great as an individual player, he actually
harms teams because he's not a great team player. He's
not great in that way, similar to what Chris Way
you would talk about as far as AI So, I
think as far as greatness, I think you got to
win to be great. But you can be the best
(22:58):
like Barkley and be in individual greatness lies with winning. No,
I don't disagree with that. Winning does put you on
that greatness level. Like, No, that's fair. It depends on
how you want to determine greatness. I mean, I think
Charles Barkley was great. I'd say Westbrook was great. But yeah,
but you know, some people want to say, would you
would I agree with that Chris saying that Charles Barkley
(23:20):
was great, but you would pick other people a similar
stats to him, who maybe won a championship or two
over him. Is that fair? Um? So they had similar stats,
I've argued. I think you can argue that Barkley is
the best power forwardever, Like, I don't know if I
would necessarily say Elvin Hayes was better than Barkley. But
(23:42):
Elvin Hayes won a championship. Uh, but I don't I
don't know. He was great. Yeah, yeah, he had similar numbers.
You know, Um, Gardnett, do you put Gardnett ahead of Barkley? No? Okay, So,
I mean it's a it's a tough you know, but
I'm just trying to say. I hear what you're saying. Everything, everything, all,
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everything's except one guy won two championships and the other
guy didn't. Right, you're gonna typically put Yeah, the guy
with the championships ahead. I agree with you on that. Yeah.
All right. We got our man, Antonio Daniels coming up
to talk more NBA, But first, be sure to catch
live editions of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and
(24:23):
Rob Parker week days at seven pm Eastern, four pm
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app.
He's hustling. Hey, he might be eating bigne and gumbo
and crawfish, a touffe and jambalaya, but he's hustling. He
gotta hustle to work it off. All right, This is
our man and Pelican's color analysts, Serious X of NBA
(24:46):
radio host Antonio Daniels, What up, Ron, what's up right? Yes? Man,
we are good, We're good. We were just talking Russell Westbrook.
And I'm gonna ask you this question. That's a guy
that played with really two incredible players who were you know,
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totally about the team. Not that Westbrook isn't, but you know,
Tim Duncan certainly a guy that could have put up
bigger numbers than he did, as great as his numbers were,
but he was just you know, really play within the
system in one obviously, and you want a championship with him.
And I'm gonna ask you Westbrook, who's a different type
(25:30):
of player, how much does it impact his legacy or
how much should it impact his legacy that he hasn't
won a championship? And let's say if he never does
win one, well, I think it's going to impact everyone's
legacy if they don't win a championship, right or wrong?
Because when you start to talk about the greatest, when
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you start to talk about the league to the game, now,
it comes down to splitting hairs, and what always separates
them is championships. Like you look at Moody, like Carl Malone,
do you look at somebody like John Stockton. What separates
Karl Malone from Tim Duncan. That's it, you know, when
you start to get into the elites of the game,
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and it's not just about stats anymore. There has to
be something that starts to separate these guys. And we
can look at Russell Westbrook. I think we have two
point guards that are playing in the NBA right now
that I think will be the most unappreciated point guards
in history. We give guys are flowers. We give John
Stockton as flowers. We give Isaiah Thomas as flowers. We
(26:33):
give Magic Johnson as flowers. You can go down to list,
Steve Nash, Jayton Kidd. I think that Russell Westbrook and
Chris Paul when they're all done, would be two of
the most unappreciated and underappreciated point guards to ever play
the game. Now, hold on if quickly right, if I
can get it. You don't think what about the fact
that Restbrook has the four triple double seasons, because I
(26:55):
would agree with you, But I think people gotta look
at that unless Luca and Yo could start averaging triple doubles.
I mean, I just think people are gonna have to
look at that and say, yo that what can you say?
I agree that, yeah. But here's the thing though, to
think about how we've we've think about how these triple
doubles have been viewed. When I wasn't okay seed prior
(27:18):
to coming to the New Orleans pelicant I was an
okay seed for four years. So I went on many
different platforms with many different hosts having these same conversation,
and they all downplayed the triple doubles. Oh well, you
know what, he's stat padding. Steven Adams is clearing guys
out so we can get rebounds, all these other kinds
of things that you hear. And right now, if you
look at his trible doubles, he is a hundred and
(27:39):
thirty four and forty five Chris, that's his retort, and
one hundred and thirty four and forty five. Wow, Antonio,
I'm gonna put my I'm gonna put my hand up
because Chris knows that that I wasn't one of those guys.
I was saying. Just what you're saying about the record
on how they win. That's not stat padding, right, I agree,
(28:02):
But so manytions I've had and then and now you hear, well,
you know what the game is faster, there's more opportunity
for triple doubles. When the shot is taken, the show
crock is reset to fourteen, which gives you more possessions.
So people are thinking of every possible way, because you
know what, we hate to give flowers to somebody. As
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far as greatness its concerned, when it's playing out right
before our eyes, we hate it. There's so many people
that dislike the fact that Russell Westbrook is about the past,
the big Old for whatever reason, because it's playing out
right before us. The same way if you hear the
greatest of all time of something right now, I've debated
with people if depth create the greatest shooter of all time,
that's not even a debate. To me, that's not even close.
(28:46):
But what people will tell you is, I don't know
about all time where you're gonna go back and look
at this dude and this dude and this dude. We
hate to give all time and put that and attach
that to guys that are playing out right before our eyes. Now.
I just I don't want to get into a big argument,
but I just have. If I were to ask you
what big shot Steph Curry's made with the game on
(29:06):
the line in the final ten seconds, you can't give
me one because he's open. Oh no, no, no, no,
I'm never just I don't want to get into it
because it's Steph Curry. But I would take Reggie Miller,
and I would take Ray Allen over Steph Curry any day.
Not maybe not for the first four quarters or four
quarters minus ten seconds, but I would take those guys
to make a big shot any day over Steph Curry. Okay,
(29:30):
but see that's not that's not the question though, Right,
that's best Reggie Clutch, no doubt, You're right. You're going
somewhere different you're talking about. I said the greatest shooter
of all time. You threw another word in there to
take it to a different place. You said clutch. I
didn't say the greatest clutch shooter. But tell me I
played with Ray Allen. I played with Ray for two years,
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Ray Allen, Reggie Miller could even of those guys shooting
the ball like Steph Curry could with distance and accuracy. No,
I give all that, but I think you to be
the greatest shooter shooter. There's gotta be also some big
shots in there. When I think of my and I
covered Michael Jordan is heyday. I mean I was sitting
there courtside. I can't unremember or a block out that
(30:17):
shot he made against Cleveland. I was sitting courtside in
that game to win a series with a guy in
his face. And I always think of shots like that
that stick in when you when you show a highlight
of Michael Jordan, it's that Steph Curry shot. Might be
a three quarter shot or whatever you want to make it,
but it ain't no big game winning shot that that
(30:38):
that did something for his team. And I'm just saying
that's the difference with me. I'm different. I hear you,
I hear that, and then I hear that I hear
exactly what you're saying. But also another big difference in
the three A side that makes it different as well, Right,
no three step six three Michael Jordan's six six D
and six seven Ray six five six six as well.
(30:59):
But no, I get what say not a D I
got to clear something up. I would I had you.
I don't know if it was a Pelicans game or
it was on halftime. I think you and David Wesley
we're having a conversation, you know, what I'm talking about probably,
and I was only catching bits is that? Am I wrong? You?
(31:21):
And David? Okay? So I was only I was put
it was on doing our show, So I was turning
on during the break listening to you guys. No, no,
I think you were saying that the two toughest guys
you ever had the guard. I think what I caught
(31:44):
Michael Jordan and Kobe, and if I remember David, that
was okay, but so David. But was David Wesley saying
something like they weren't that tough for me because I
could get up under him, or something like that, You're
in my in my off out Because what we were
saying was different gods gave different challenges. So I tall
(32:04):
as far as athleticism and creativity, it was Michael Jordan
and Kobe, but it's far as speed and shifting it
it was Alan Iverson and Stephan Marbury. And what David
was saying about Michael and Kobe was they weren't took
the guard because if they gave you forty, they were
expected to give you forty. Yeah everybody forty said all right?
Because I thought he would clear that up because I
(32:25):
was like, yeah, I wanted to make sure David Wesley
wasn't saying they weren't hard to guard right now, right, yeah,
he was saying like if I went out there and
I tried to guard them and they gave me forty,
then I would go somewhere, go home and turn on
the TV the next night and they give us somebody
else forty. Right, different, So no pressure. Yeah, you weren't
expected to stop them. Okay, Okay, I tall this so, Chris.
(32:50):
I was watching you this morning on TV, and I
agree with you one hundred percent. I agree one percent
about Yes, Yeah, I mean, go ahead. Things can be
right at the same time. Two bits can be right
at the same time. One meaning YO kids can be
the MVP too. Givin Chris Paul his prop for the
(33:10):
season that he's happened. Yeah, two things, two things can
be correct at the same time. It's not either you
know what, either Chris Paul's the MVP or you're disrespecting him. No, right, no, No,
we can recognize, we can recognize the year that Yo
kids just have it all the way across the board, points, rebounds, thesist, efficiency, winning,
all of these different things. But on the flip side,
(33:32):
we can recognize what the impact that Chris Paul's had
in Phoenix as well. So you think you can be
right at the same time, and you know nowadays and
you notice a d everybody tries to make it like, oh,
if you don't think Lebron's the greatest player ever, you're
killing him, you know what I mean? Or you're killing
Michael if you think it's Lebron Like no, So I
totally agree with you. Man. Look great stuff as always, brother,
(33:55):
we appreciate the knowledge and the insight. Thanks a lot
for sure. I alright, all right, brother Peace the great
Antonio Daniels here on The I Couple. All right, we
got a very special sneak peak of Inside the Parker
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Sports Radio. I'm the poop poo king. Be sure to
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(34:38):
preview of this week's Inside the Parker. Does it drop
every Tuesday and Thursday? Or every Thursday? A sneak peak
of this week's Inside the Parker drops every Thursday. They
got into it about John Carlos Stanton. That ball is
it was a big week, a big league who's a
(35:02):
five by? Is it foul? Or is it fair? And Now?
From MLB bro dot Com, here's JR gamball Yankees d
H G and Carlos Stanton has been on a tear
for the Yankees of late and fans wanted them out
of town not too long ago, and he's carried the
(35:24):
team above five hundred and towards the top in the
Al East? Jr? Is it foul or fair to say
that Stanton could be in the MVP contention? Now fair?
That's a fair ball Byron Bucks Then and Mike Trout
are both hitting close to four hundred, but their teams
(35:45):
don't respond to their greatness. On the other hand, Stanton's
hot back coincides with the Yankees winning streak. Look at
the numbers during Stanton's ten game hit streak, where the
Yankees win seven and three. Slash lines went from one
fifty eight batting average to thirty eight OBP and three
(36:05):
thirty three slugging before the street to two ninety seven
batting average, three forty three OBP and a five forty
five slugging which is much more like it for three
hundred million dollars man. As mentioned, the Yankees are seven
and three in their last ten games and have elevated
from the seller of the Alas to just two and
(36:26):
a half games behind Boston and charging hard behind the
back of this much maligned player. Yankees fans always want
to choose a player to hate. It's what they do.
It was a Rod and now with Stanton. But this
guy has pedigree, He's a former MVP, and he can
flat out play. He hasn't been healthy and now he
(36:49):
looks like he's healthy enough finally to do what he
wants to do as a player and what he's more
than capable of doing as an elite slugger and black Knight.
In the game, everyone was calling him a boom, a
bus player. He only hits homers or strikes out. But
he went four for five last night and he has
obliterated that narrative by spraying the ball to all fields
(37:12):
on the ground and in the air. He has three
or more hits in four of his last five games.
That doesn't sound like a one dimensional hitter than me.
If the Yankees continue to rise in the standings and
Stanton continues to rake at this pace, then you have
to put him into the MVP conversation because his back
(37:32):
has elevated the Yankees out of the dog drums. And
that's what they pay him the big bucks for. So
people can stop asking. Stanton's here to stay, and it's
foul for anybody to think otherwise. And j R. Gamble
was right on the money standing extended his hitting string
string string string. Today, the Yankees lost the game, they've
(37:57):
been streaking their loss, but he d a couple more
hits and has continued to swing a hot bat. Had
a home run in the game against the Astros. So
there you have it, and you've got to wonder about
gian Carlo Stanton, is that maybe just maybe he's healthy
(38:18):
for the first time. It has been a struggle. He's
been in and out of the lineup. We've seen him,
you know, smash a lot of home runs in the postseason,
but he hasn't really been able to put together great
regular seasons. He's been injured too much, and he is
not a one dimensional player like either home run or strikeout.
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And we're seeing this when you bunch three four hits
and games. And today's home run, matter of fact, went
to right center field. So when you see a guy
hitting the ball all over the ballpark, it tells you
he's swinging a great bat because he's not pulling everything.
He's going with the pitch. So standing has finally arrived
(39:02):
for Yankee fans. I think that people have been waiting
for this guy, and it's kind of impressive to get
to watch him swing the bat in this way. Remember,
he was the National League MVP before he came to
the Yankees, and he was supposed to come join Judge
and San Chaz and have a murderer's role with these
(39:23):
guys swinging home runs bats and him and Judge have
been hurt most of his tenure. But if he can
stay healthy, he could be the MVP of the league.
He's been that good. Don't forget Inside the Parker drops
every Thursday on the Herd podcast network, So you want
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