January 7, 2020 • 39 mins
It's The Best of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! Chris and Rob use the Giants' hire of Joe Judge and the Panthers' hire of Matt Rhule as a backdrop for a heated debate about whether or not the NFL needs to get rid of the Rooney Rule altogether, and discuss what Major League Baseball can do to get sign stealing out of the sport in the wake of the salacious allegations involving the 2018 World Series champion Red Sox and 2019 World Series champion Astros. Plus, acclaimed actor/singer Donnie Wahlberg stops by our Celebrity Corner to discuss what went wrong for the Patriots this season, and what he thinks they should do with Tom Brady moving forward.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. All right, well,
the big news is that there were a few more
coaching hires in the NFL. We already have had the
Dallas Cowboys they hired um, Mike McCarthy, and we had
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had before that. Who was the one before that? Of
the first one. I'll get to that in a moment.
I'm blanking me too. Today you have had uh Baylor, Yeah,
the Redskins, right, Ron Rivera, the Brits, and today you
had the Carolina Panthers give a seven year, sixty million
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dollars deal to Baylor's Matt Rule. Matt Rule has been
a good coach. I mean he turned Baylor around immediately,
the Golden Rule. Right. He's at the headline in the
paper at the down in Charlotte. I bet you it
is the Golden rule. It might be, it might be
would be on the back page. It would be on
the back page of the daily news of the Post.
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Speaking of the back page, New York Giants. The New
York Football Giants filled their coaching vacancy with a guy
that most people had not heard of. Okay, uh, he's
a young cat thirty eight years old. Was the New
England Patriots wide receivers and special teams coach. He wasn't
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a coordinator. No, his name is Joe Judge. I just
got one question for you, Chris. Was Judge Judy not available?
Come on, Joe Judge, who is that? I can't tell
whether you're serious. You started out joking and now you're
you're fading into something serious. No, no, no, I'm just playing.
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But those are the two coaching hires. And look, I
think Matt Rule is a fine higher. You know, we'll
see how he does that. All the college coaches that
come to the NFL don't excel. But I think he's
a good coach. He's been in the NFL on staff,
he was with the Giants, So I think Matt Rule
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I'm fine with that. Joe Judge, I know nothing about
other than you know his positions that he's on the
Bill Belichick coaching staff and he's part of the Bill
Belichick coaching tree, which needs water and some fertilizer because
it ain't doing that great. They just keep hiring Bill
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Belichick disciples and I don't know, no, you you you're
you're speaking truth. Rob's face it. Bill Belichick disciples have
not done well, not at all period. I don't know
why they keep doing And Matt Patrician Detroit terterrible the
first two years. Seriously, romeo' cornell was bad. Yep. And
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we didn't even bring up Charlie Weiss who went to
Notre Dame Chris and flamed out there right right. We
don't even count him it because he is five and
eleven look at the Miami. But look, he actually did
a good job this year. So maybe he will turn
the tide a little bit and he'll be a good
coach for them. But thus far, the Bill Belichick coaching
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tree has been pretty darn bad period. There's no if
SAMs or butts about it. It has not been good.
And so uh there's that. I mean, here here the
records for coaches on the Bill Belichick tree Bill O'Brien's
they I say that for last, since he's the best.
Matt Patricia nine twenty two and one, nice, zero playoffs
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in two years. Brian Flores again five and eleven, but
did a good job with Miami. They didn't make the
playoffs on him, right, The jury is out. Romeo Crisnell
twenty eight and fifty five, no playoffs, four or five
years in Cleveland he got. He had the longest ten
year in recent memory in Cleveland and obviously didn't do
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well with it. Josh McDaniels, he's a guy that that's
always on people's lips as a new another head coach,
he might be the one in Cleveland, the only one
job left. Give me his right. He's eleven and seven.
Here's the other no playoffs. Can I tell you this
the Josh McDaniel which is mind boggling. Hey, he got
fired in Denver, Y, Chris, do you remember cheating? Yes,
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he got caught videotaping other other teams worked, walked through
in London when he played game in London number two.
He gave the word his word to the Colts and
left him at the altar. I'm just saying yet his
name keeps coming up for jobs. He did two things
that that a lot of owners should frown upon. Cheating,
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And you're not a man of your word. You gave
me your word. I had a press conference set up
and you didn't show up, right right? I hear you.
How many brothers could do that? None and can't get
another job? None, you'd be done. I'm you're not a
man of your word. Done? Yep. Eric Maninie, our good friend,
our colleague here that FS one thirty three and forty
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seven made the playoffs once. Mike Rabel, but he's not
a belly. He played for Belle He's he's not a
he's not a bid in coach under he played there.
He's eighteen and fourteen obviously in Tennessee and has him
in the playoffs. Good job. And Bill O'Brien fifty two
and forty four four playoffs. O'Brien's okay, he's okay. He
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was close because if they would have lost that game
to Buffalo, I'm telling you he's like Marvin Lewis right,
I would have fired him, and not because he hasn't
done a solid You gotta say it's a solid job.
He wins the division, but you gotta get he's not
the guy to take you to the next left Marvin Lewis,
for all the time in Cincinnati he lost, he was
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seven oh and seven in playoffs. That's not good enough.
That's where a guy. Some guys are built to get
you to a certain level and then you need someone
else to come and take you over the hump. And
that seems to be the case with the Houston Texans.
We'll see what happens. But the elephant in the room
is that the lack of black coaches being hired. Here
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we go again, yep, and it's it's a sting, and
every they're talking about it all over the league. A
lot of the writers are talking about it, and rightfully so, Chris,
because it's very obvious and you can't have I just
always look at it this way. Your pool of coaches.
You gotta league that's seventy five percent black, around seventy
seventy okay, And and and we're good enough to play,
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good enough to be coordinated, enough to be able, but
not a head coach. Man something drawn with that. That's
not that there's never been any black head coaches, because
one year what they fired two years ago, they just
fired five or six of them. Well, look, you've got
thirty two teams. There is one black general manager, Ozzie
knew Some Oh he happens to be one of the
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best general managers in the league. Okay, And then you've
got three black coaches and one other racial minority in
Ron Rivera, who's a head coach. So you got four
two out of thirty two, three black ones. And it's
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a problem. Eric be into me, is there any doubt
in your mind if Eric being to me was white,
that he'd be a head have a job. Look at
the success he's had in Kansas City. He is the
offensive coordinator for one of the best offensive powered e
recent memory. But you know what they do. They probably
give all the credit to who Andy Reid? You know it?
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Oh yeah, here, but any we call the play that
ain't ever beginning me and that that there's another issue.
Even though you could go and look at some of
these guys who are getting jobs because who aren't even coordinators.
That's where the Joe Judge comes in, really right, seriously,
like right, you're right, he comes out of there. And
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that's where and look a lot of we're not NFL
reporters obviously, but a lot of the NFL reporters are
giving quotes that they've gotten from people within the league.
Here Joe Josina Anderson, who does a good job over ESPN,
She said, an NFL assistant told her this, We're damned
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if you do and damned if you don't. Take these interviews.
Just feels like a pacification process instead of a legit process.
They're talking about the Rooney and here, you know what, Yes,
we just want them to hire the right person, but
how is that being defined? Are we even in the pipeline?
And here's the thing, this is why I'm against the
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Rooney rule. Get rid of the Rooney rule, because it's garbage.
It's boulder dash, it's poppy cock. It ain't real. It
ain't real. These guys already knew who they were gonna hire,
and they parade the black coaches past the media like
a dog and pony show. Look, our black guy came in.
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Everybody writing Dallas seriously considered Marvin lu No, not at all.
They brought him in for a cup of coffee in
a sweet roll, to take pictures and let people know
we are we checked the box. Marvin Lewis came to Dallas.
They had no intentions to hiring Marvin Lewis. Chris, it's
embarrassing and it's wrong. There's no way we should be
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treated like that, that they were going on some token
interviews that don't matter. Years ago, when I was in Detroit,
Matt Miller was gonna hire Steve mat Uch and he
got out, and then the league put a cod boss
on and said, none of them. You can't do it
yet until you follow along with the Rooney rule. You
know what he did. He called up all these black
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guys to come in, and to their credit, none of
them went to Detroit to interview with Matt Millen because
everybody in the league knew that Steve Marry Ugi already
had the job and they refused to be a part
of a dogging pony show to pacify some damn league
rule that isn't doing the job that I was supposed
to do. They had to put this rule in effect
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because at one time they weren't even interviewing black people.
Guys would be there would be ten head coaching jobs. Chris,
and nobody black Hawk got interviewed. No mob, You just said,
why while I agree with your sentiment that these token
interviews are embarrassing and down right wrong. They are. If
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I'm an African American coaching, I know, Hey, I'm just
being brought in to fulfill some Rooney but check the ball.
I'm not going I wouldn't go in there with you there.
But I do disagree in getting rid of the Rooney rules,
as ineffective as it is at times, I disagree with
getting rid of it because you just said it. Before
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the Rooney rule, they weren't even interviewing black candidates. No, dude,
I know, three black head coaches is way too low
out of thirty two teams. But if you didn't have
the Rooney rule, it's possible. I don't know, but it's
possible you wouldn't even have those three. Remember last year
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there was there was a lot made about Steve Wilkes,
African American coach one year, fired after one year, and
a lot of the hires weren't African Americans, and Miami
goes and hires Brian Flores, and it looked, at to
a certain degree, it looked like, man, did they just
bring him in? There was a lot of hubbub about
black coaches like there is today, and he turns out
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like at least this year he did a good job.
He certainly was quality five. So my point is if
you didn't have to as bad as it may be
and ineffective at times, it's better than nothing. And I
hate to say it that way because that shouldn't be
the standard, but it's better than nothing. I would contributions
coaches is better than no black coach. I would contributions
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to the to the NFL are monumental and the idea
that we're being used as in a token way. We're
not all being used that way. I mean most of them.
Most are. And that's why I'm against every will forget
the run people. The alternative. I'll give it to you.
Players should look at the owners and refuse to play
for organizations that won't give minorities opportunities. How about that, Chris? Hey,
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I know, but I'm just saying. That's how you get
saying that. We've been talking about it. That's how you
you could get Colin Capper right and take two seconds tomorrow,
two second that. But you love to see brothers, what
do we do that? What do we see? What do
we see in Missouri? Chris? When they had the racist
thing on camp you know what to play. These are
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college kids on scholarship. They said, we're not going to practice,
We're not playing in any games until this is corrected.
The chancellor and the school president had to step down,
and that's what they did. They shut the whole program
down and they got changed. You can make a difference.
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All right. I gotta give him props because he had
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the guts to come yes after the Patriots took that. Hell,
he's an actor, a singer, producer. You see him all
over the place. Our man, Dinny wat, Donny, what's up? Man?
I'm here? He is? What's up? I was? I was
getting up off the ground because somebody called me. Mark
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Wahlberg wasn't He's at halftime? That was That was not us. Hey,
I know you've been in tears for the last few days.
You are you were covered, y'all. You know, I really,
I really haven't been in tears. Guys, I gotta tell you,
I I you know, I never got on that bandwagon.
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You know, I'm a diehard Pages fan, you know, but
I never really got on that that that hype thing
about the team this year. You know, we started off
really good and we were eight no um and everybody
was like, they're gonna go on the sea that it
was ridiculous. Now the defense was playing great. There were
some weak competition, and I think the defense still played
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really great throughout the rest of the year. And there
were a lot of turnover touch We had a few
pick sixes this year that were really the difference in
games that you know, people don't really I mean, if
you look at there was a pick six, I mean
ingless one at the end of the Tennessee game, but
nonetheless that was the difference in the game, you know.
And there was one in the Miami game, and there
was one you know, um in the Texans game. So
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they really ended up costing us at the at the
end of the day. And it was a consistent theme
this year. But I'd never really thought I really thought
that losing David Andrews and losing um James Devlin and
having a banged up offensive line was really gonna hurt
the teams throughout the year, and I think it did.
I think, you know, we could talk about Gronk being gone,
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but I think the Patriots really suffered by losing those
two guys. They really they were the key to the
running game. You know, they were the timing with Andrews
and Brady and that camaraderie he had. I think people
are underestimating, you know, a lot of the so called experts,
they just say it was Gronk and no weapons, but
that everything changed when Andrews and Devlin went out. Donnie,
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I'm glad you went there because my contention isn't obviously
there's a here we go. There's all they talk about
the time Brady needs to be gone. He's leaving. He's
not gonna retire, but he won't be a Patriot next year.
I contend this, get the offensive line healthy, which we
would assume it will be next year, bring in some
better weapons on the outside at the receiver position. I
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think Harry will improve if he's healthy all year, but
bring in some better weapons. And I still think Brady.
You're a contender. With Brady, I don't think you need
to get rid of him. I think at his age
he can no longer carry kind of the average or
mediocre talent that he has most of his career. But
if you get him top flight receivers and obviously, like
you said, the offensive line, I think he can still
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get it done. What's your view on Brady? I agree?
Here here's my thoughts. I agree. See. I think first
of all, what I like about you two guys is
you guys have strong opinions, but you engage a lot
less in gaslighting like everybody's. It's a lot of the
sports shows that are on right now, it's all about
gas lighting. And you know, if you go by the
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gossip and the rumors, like Brady was supposed to leave
after last year or before last year because Belichick didn't
like his trainer and didn't want his trader on the plane,
and what happened. They stayed and they want a Super Bowl,
you know, So the gossip and the rumors, you know,
the average person reporting on this and I don't own
a fifty million dollar house, so I'm in the same boat.
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But the average person reporting on Brady putting his house
for sale have never sold a fifty million dollar house.
Look him up, look him up. The regis Philbin's house,
who's been on sale for five years in Connecticut for
twenty millions. Like, people don't buy these houses if you
want to sell one. By the time he's retires at
forty five, he might finally be selling that house. But
that said, to answer your question, right, to answer your question,
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I think I think what is different this year. I
think Brady will want to come back. I think it's
really going to come down to he's not going to
be able to get the thirty forty million dollar contract
or whatever the top quarterback is going to be paid,
because then he can't get the weapons in the offensive
line right to give him what he needs to succeed
in New England. Right, So that's that's a that's just
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not gonna work. But I think what it'll be different
this time is he's gonna want a little more input,
you know. I think, if I can guess without knowing,
I think losing Ab not only hurt the team, but
I think it hurt him. I think he felt like,
no matter what Ab was going through, it was like
he was there. Brady hasn't had a guy like that
since Randy Moss, and it was like, you know, he
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needed somebody that could really go deep, like we saw
you know, Metcalf do this weekend for Seattle. Like he
needed that weapon, and I think when he lost it,
I think he probably felt defeated. It was like this
guy can He's not gonna be Gronk, but he's gonna
be different than Gronk. Can give us some difference. So
I agree, Chris. I think if he stays he's gonna
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want to have things, there's gonna have to be an
agreement um that he's gonna want to really get a
guarantee that they're gonna retool and give him what he
needs to have a chance of success. And if the
defense is half as good as this year and they
do do what's necessary to make the offense right, I
think he could definitely thrive and get right back in
contention next year and have a chance to win it.
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You gotta remember three years in a row they've been
to the Super Bowl, right, you know we talk about
Cleveland and Lebron gets worn down because he's in the
finals every year. Well, doesn't that count in football? Didn't
Maybe the Patriots are a little worn down at the
end of this year for having to play much longer
than every other team plays every single That's what I've
been telling Rob Parker, the great actor, singer, producer, Donnie
Wahlberg joining the eye. Come now, Donnie, you know you're
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not gonna get off that easily. Are you ready for
some real interrogation? Irote me. I already wrote a column
at the Shadow league dot com. You could go read it.
You could go to our our um. What is the podcast?
The podcast from yesterday? You could go there. At All
I'm telling you is Tom Brady should retire. It's tied
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is online one. He's washed up, Donnie A minute last
year and the Super Bowl? No touchdowns? What one fumble?
One interception year? This year? He stunk. He's bad, he's
washed up. Come on, Donnie, give it to me. You
know he's washed all right, Rob? They only the Patriots
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scored thirteen points in the super Bowl last year. That
is true. And they did win the game. Now you
could say they should have scored more, or Brady didn't
play great, whatever, whatever, it doesn't matter. They won the game.
You know, if and if you're gonna say, like Joe
Montana is a better player than Brady because he won
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all the Super Bowls well, he his team only won
twenty to sixteen against the Cincinnati Bengals. Uh is the
Cincinnati Bengals defense from whatever year it was that much
better than Aaron Donald and and Dominican Sue and what
the Rams had on the field last year. I don't
think so. No, but the difference he is gonna be
forty three. Look at him, Donnie looking. Put on your glasses.
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His arm strength is bad. His accurateous accuracy is bad.
He's not the same guy. Did you see the video
before the season of him and his daughter falling off
the cliff That that's a that was a preview of
Tom Brady's season. And I want you to know, Tony,
you know video I'm talking about. And I want you
to know. Before the season started, I bet Skip Bayless
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live on Undisputed on national television that the that the
Patriots wouldn't make it to the AFC Championship game. He
laughed in my face. He couldn't believe I would make
that bet. We're going to the most expensive restaurant in
Beverly Hills. Because I was on it, I saw through it.
The most expensive. Well, it's interesting, Rob, You're you're you're
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screaming at me about something you argued with Skip Bayless about.
I'm not gonna take up for Skip Bayless right here
with you, guys, um because Skip Skip probably also predicted
the Cowboys within the Super Bowl. So not just you
already know that be that accurate. But here's the thing
I think, And you know, we could say Brady fell
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off the cliff whatever. Look, they scored thirteen points in
the Super Bowl last year. They also he also put
up a bunch of points in the two previous games
before that. He put up five hundred yards in the
Super Bowl before that, you know, and they took an
l So you know, I'd rather have thirteen points and
win than thirty three points against the Eagles and lose
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shut out in the second half. Here's all you had
to say to Rob in sports, there's a short menu
wins and lost and won that Super Bowl away from Brady.
I get it. There's a look, there's a tit for
tap for all of this. You know what I mean,
It just is what it is. It's like, Yes, you
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know the Atlanta super Bowl, Brady looked terrible for three
quarters and then he put together the best quarter in
overtime in history, it's sure you so you can base
you can judge him off for the first three quarters,
or you can say they won the game. As far
as we're concerned in New England, we got six rings.
Now you can argue, I think the jury's out. Rob.
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I'm not gonna say. I'm definitely not gonna say Brady
fell off the cliff and he's washed up. But I
will say, we don't know for sure. You know, it's
it's a funny thing. It's a little conundrum because he
definitely didn't look like himself this year, there's no question,
and I did not look like himself now. So I
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think for me, as a Patriots fan, and as a
Brady fan, and as a Belichick fan, the whole nine,
I would love to see him come back. I would
love to see him have everything he needs around him
to succeed, and you know, and and give it one
more goal. Now, if if they get everything he needs
and they don't succeed and he doesn't look good, well
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there's the answer to the question. But I don't think
anybody in New England's gonna write him off based on
this season, with all the things that changed around the
offense and what they were dealing with. Now he was
part of the problem. I'm not gonna sit here and say, well,
they didn't have no receivers and blah blah blah. Because
some of those guys we've been winning with him, with
Edelman that's said he could do that, he could do
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that as a younger guy. I don't think he knew
that at these guys going on forty three. Here's the
last thing, Donnie, I'll bet you ten chicken wings and
a large die Coke that Tom Brady will wind up
with the Chargers next year and he will not and
ot be with the Pages. You want to bet take
that bet? No, I have no no interest in betting
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that because that really has nothing to do with the
What we're really talking about is can the guy still play?
So here's the thing, the Chargers. I don't see how
he goes to the Chargers unless they're just gonna pack
up Philip Rivers bags and throw him in the trash um.
You know, a potential Hall of Fame quarterback. You know,
I don't know that that's going to happen. So I
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don't take the Chargers that seriously. I think the really
only possible destinations for him and I got one curveball,
one curveball. But I think the logical ones if he
leaves would be the Colts, because you know, they got everything.
They got a great D, they got a great offensive line,
they got weapons. Um, you know, he worked with Jacoby
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Brissette before, So if he stays, you know, they have
a relationship. Maybe that works somehow. The Bears probably gonna
give up on their young quarterback. They got a great D.
They have a lot of potential. I don't think he's
gonna leave the Patriots for either of those teams though,
just for money. He got money. His wife's the billionaire. Like,
he don't need money. It's not about money at this point,
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as far as I'm concerned, it's the curveball, the curveballs.
Jerry Jones jed Why didn't Erry Jones pay Dak? He's
not paying Daka? Jerry jonesy enough would be he would
be crazy, not crazy crazy. Do you take Brady over
Dak at this point? No, I'm not Jerry Jones. I'm
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he sna went after Belichick. That's what he should have done.
If is it possible, I'm putting out the video, is
it possible that if they can't they say, we're not
gonna pay Doak all this money. They try and get
a one or two year run with Brady. I don't know.
I'm just trying to out he's going to play in
a freaking soccer stadium that they got a brand new
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stadium that opened it up in Inglewood. We got time, man.
We definitely love you guys. When you come to La,
come to the studio on give you an album. I'm
coming to the studio for sure after you, guys, to
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with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm
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Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
iHeart Radio app. But we're gonna take a little hiatus.
And I know that my partner, he typically, you know,
he only wants to talk about sunshine and oh I
don't petunias and roses and chef Poky pigs girl from
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his name when it comes to baseball. But something fun
going on. We're not talking about a foul ball. Baseball
is pretty foul right now, and I'm not happy about it,
all right, So I'm gonna let you I'm gonna let
you vent but to give the news Boston Rats. Now,
now we know the Houston Astros stop busted big time
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for when they won their championship, right, and now the
Boston Red Sox are reportedly cheated use the video replay
room to steal signs from opposing pictures and catchers during
their World Series run in twenty eighteen. So two of
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the last three World Series champions now are accused of
cheating in their championship seasons. This is big. I mean,
if can you imagine rob if it was in the
NFL or the NBA cheating straight champions right, I get
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used of cheating now, I guess you if you're gonna
go to the Patriots obviously, right. Uh their first two titles,
the Rams and the Carolina Panthers swore up and down
that they think the Patriots cheated. They couldn't prove it
everything they were doing and you saw how close the
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game was. But there the difference is, and I'm not
trying to poo poo it, but the difference is it
was not proven. And this is just a report, and
the league and the Red Sox say they're going to
investigate it, so we'll get more information. I guess but
it's ugly right now. It's a stain on America's past,
no doubt. And Chris, here's the thing. This isn't a
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rogue guy or a picture or batter or somebody and
they're trying to steal some signs or at second base
and you look in you know what I mean, or
the catcher doesn't cover up his fingers. That that's that's
that's part of the game. When it's organizational and you're
using the facilities and you set up cameras like the
Astros reportedly did, and now this video replay the still
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signed that's above and beyond. That's what you're messing with
the integrity of the game. You know this. It's the
hardest thing to do is day the baseball it by
knowing what's coming. It is you talk to most people.
I mean, I know that's the conventional with I'm just saying,
if you talk to the most athlete because you just
don't know what's coming. Faily hard to hit a base
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and the fact that if you hit it thirty three
percent of the time, you're awesome. No other sport is
that good. That number, right you are gonna need to
do is get three hits out of ten at bats
and you're in the Hall of Fame, so you failed
seven times. But anyway, longer story is, Chris, this has
to stop. And the commissioner, Rob Manford, this is where
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I want to see Chris. Here's his moment on the stage.
You remember when bugs Bud Ceeler got all big after
the fact of the steroid era and all that, and
now you wanted to punish people after the fact. Here
it is, you got proof, you got all his investigations
going on. How hard are you gonna come down on
these organizations? How hard? I'm gonna tell you how hard
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I would Chris. I would ban the general manager, I
would ban the team president. I would ban the manager,
anybody in there, out out of the league, out of
the league. If I have evidence, Chris, that you knew
what was going on and you were knowingly cheating by
setting up cameras and setting up stuff. Now he Rose
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was brand out of the game. You know why because
when you walk in you cover baseball, Chris in Cleveland,
when you walk in any clubhouse in America, there's a
big sign up there talking about about gambling. Am I right? Right?
The biggest sign in the room is about to do
not gamble, because you mess with the integrity of the sport.
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And the same thing here. You can't have this and
you can't have a commissioner who's gonna give them some
financial some some monetary. Fine, Chris, that's not good enough.
The teams got so much money, it's nothing. You think
I'm crazy. Well, let me ask you this because you,
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if I recall correctly, you didn't go this far with
Belichick and the Patriots. No, Okay, this to me is
worth seriously, Chris, because uh, you're talking about when when
the Astros they're banging a garbage can, they're blowing whistles.
I mean, the Yankees complained about it in the playoffs.
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Nobody did anything. They didn't think it was anything to it.
But all I'm saying is this is like an organizational cheating,
like big time. And I'm not saying like what the
Patriots they got busted. I would have loved to have
seen the tapes, and that's what I always say. Roger
Goodell made a big mistake, and he even hurt the
Patriots because if we would have saw that tape for ourselves, Chris,
maybe the only reason they killed it was because it
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was bad. Am I right? Otherwise otherwise you show it
to us. So they destroyed the tape so we never
got to see him. So we have no choice but
to but to believe that they were bad. And that's
why uh Belichick got fined the largest fine of any
NFL coach ever. And in this case, I don't think
money is good enough. Chris. There's not a big enough fine.
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I don't know that. Some people want them to take
the championships away. That see, that's that's where you are,
I would say, and I don't bann it for life.
That's the nuclear option, right manager, team GM president. But
I like that. Okay, so they're band for life, But
I would take it one step further. You lose the
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championships because what you're doing it for is to be
able to say you won three titles, you won one
World Series title, whatever it is. And if they take
that away from you, take that away from your record.
I look, I understand it happens in college when they
take away you know, the championships, the bands like Michigan,
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the Five five, you know, they want to rake them
all down. Reggie Bush with his heisman, we all look
at them as champions are you know, Fave five didn't
win it, but you know, we remember their great run.
We remember Reggie Bush and his great year. We view
him as you know, that type of player. Here's the difference, though,
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there's a difference, and most people don't take it away
from the college athlete right when they when they strip
them something an award, a championship, they don't. We don't
really say they took it away. The reason is because
ninety nine times out of a hundred, what is the athlete, uh,
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critic not criticized? What is the athlete reprimanded for punished
for taking money from a booster? Which, let's be honest, kids,
I'm not trying to justify it, but we don't view
that as bad as cheating in the Game's Reggie Bush
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the rules of the NCAA, but not the game with
the integrity like that doesn't change that didn't make a
good point Reggie Bush run any differently, catch the ball,
get or give a disadvantage to the other chap because
he took a free pizza whatever. And so that's why
now in this the very reason we would celebrate the
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astros or the red side, we can't celebrate them for
that anymore because you cheat it. Now we don't know
if you're the best. And I do think it would
be a serious taint and scarlet letter on that franchise.
You don't, I say, take away the championship. You don't
look at the Astros the same way, do you? I
mean now, I mean three seasons, Chris, they had an
unbelievable team, remember that, right, And we were like, okay,
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the Asholls didn't run a great run, had a great run.
And now you look at them and go, well, ill,
no one that they hit the heck out of the
ball or whatever. They're coming up clutch all the time
the other But how think beat the Yankees run? They
might have known what was coming. No, they may have.
And here's the thing round, as much as it tainted
a little bit right now, what if MLB came out
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and said we are stripping the Astros of their championship.
It's eraced from the record books. It would put even
more of a taint. And I honestly wouldn't really think
of him. It's hard to say because we're not in
that situation, but I feel right now like I would
not look at them miss champions. Here's the other part.
And here's why I go after the people who were involved,
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the authority figures, not the players so much, because if
you come to think, if you come to a player
and say, dude, if we know what's coming, dude, you're
gonna take advantage of that, right, Yeah, it's on the
decision maker exactly, the people who run the organ sation.
They want to give it to you, going, but no,
I'm gonna. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna listen to you.
Tell me. Your teammates might even look at you like, yo,
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we're trying to win the championship. Why aren't you Why
aren't you on board on this? We're trying to help.
And and I think if you start banning the people
in charge when they do this illegal activity Chris and cheating,
and you tell somebody there banned from the game, like that,
stop it that that's like that sh that's your whole career,
your whole legacy is tainted. There's a lot more that
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goes with it. People look at you totally different. Oh yeah,
that's that show blow the general who used to be
the general manager of the Astros, remember he got banned
from baseball. They cheated let's show Jackson Pete rose to
some degree. I mean, he's obviously rebounded incredibly well, Alex Rodriguez,
but you still think about that now, this stuff that
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people will never let go of. Right, he never got
to the point of a Pete rose. But but Pete
rose for a lot of people, Chris who didn't grow
up watching them like we did. We saw Charlie, Charlie Hustle.
We saw him as a player. Most of the millennials
or whatever, they just know him as this old dude
who did something. What a great player? He was? Right.
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You're right, and I've said this for a long time.
Robe with the peeds, if you banned players, if you're
found out to have used peeds, you're out and your
contract is voided. Now. I know sometimes there are false alarms,
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but if you're one hundred percent certain that this guy
used peeds, if you said you're banned, see it would
I think it would cut it down. I mean probably
did not right, it probably would. But here's minern thing.
The only reason I pushed back on the way that
they did it. They didn't test everybody during that time,
So it's unfair like you didn't like like I'm just
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saying everybody, right, That's what I mean. If you tested everybody, Chris,
and you found eight or ten or twelve players, and
then you could do that. But back then, during the
steroid era, there were guys who were using it who
got away with them and the only one that looked
at us Bonds and Sosa guys who had home runs.
But there were pictures there were guys who were hitting
four home runs a year who were using the juice
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too well. And what they can't say saying this is
and I believe. Let me tell you, I believe that
the number was hired and people want to believe. Okay,
I agree with you, and I'm gonna throw this at you.
I believe that this type of cheating we're talking about
with the Astros and the Red Sox, I think it's rampant.
I think they're not the only two teams. Come on,
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I mean, were they at brazen. There was another report
with the Blue Jays. I remember a few years ago
they thought they were steal inside. So you might be right,
they might be the others. I think it is like steroids,
because you think there are some here and there that
don't do it. But I think for the most part,
people are doing it.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Couple with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. All right, well,
the big news is that there were a few more
coaching hires in the NFL. We already have had the
Dallas Cowboys they hired um, Mike McCarthy, and we had
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had before that. Who was the one before that? Of
the first one. I'll get to that in a moment.
I'm blanking me too. Today you have had uh Baylor, Yeah,
the Redskins, right, Ron Rivera, the Brits, and today you
had the Carolina Panthers give a seven year, sixty million
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dollars deal to Baylor's Matt Rule. Matt Rule has been
a good coach. I mean he turned Baylor around immediately,
the Golden Rule. Right. He's at the headline in the
paper at the down in Charlotte. I bet you it
is the Golden rule. It might be, it might be
would be on the back page. It would be on
the back page of the daily news of the Post.
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Speaking of the back page, New York Giants. The New
York Football Giants filled their coaching vacancy with a guy
that most people had not heard of. Okay, uh, he's
a young cat thirty eight years old. Was the New
England Patriots wide receivers and special teams coach. He wasn't
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a coordinator. No, his name is Joe Judge. I just
got one question for you, Chris. Was Judge Judy not available?
Come on, Joe Judge, who is that? I can't tell
whether you're serious. You started out joking and now you're
you're fading into something serious. No, no, no, I'm just playing.
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But those are the two coaching hires. And look, I
think Matt Rule is a fine higher. You know, we'll
see how he does that. All the college coaches that
come to the NFL don't excel. But I think he's
a good coach. He's been in the NFL on staff,
he was with the Giants, So I think Matt Rule
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I'm fine with that. Joe Judge, I know nothing about
other than you know his positions that he's on the
Bill Belichick coaching staff and he's part of the Bill
Belichick coaching tree, which needs water and some fertilizer because
it ain't doing that great. They just keep hiring Bill
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Belichick disciples and I don't know, no, you you you're
you're speaking truth. Rob's face it. Bill Belichick disciples have
not done well, not at all period. I don't know
why they keep doing And Matt Patrician Detroit terterrible the
first two years. Seriously, romeo' cornell was bad. Yep. And
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we didn't even bring up Charlie Weiss who went to
Notre Dame Chris and flamed out there right right. We
don't even count him it because he is five and
eleven look at the Miami. But look, he actually did
a good job this year. So maybe he will turn
the tide a little bit and he'll be a good
coach for them. But thus far, the Bill Belichick coaching
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tree has been pretty darn bad period. There's no if
SAMs or butts about it. It has not been good.
And so uh there's that. I mean, here here the
records for coaches on the Bill Belichick tree Bill O'Brien's
they I say that for last, since he's the best.
Matt Patricia nine twenty two and one, nice, zero playoffs
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in two years. Brian Flores again five and eleven, but
did a good job with Miami. They didn't make the
playoffs on him, right, The jury is out. Romeo Crisnell
twenty eight and fifty five, no playoffs, four or five
years in Cleveland he got. He had the longest ten
year in recent memory in Cleveland and obviously didn't do
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well with it. Josh McDaniels, he's a guy that that's
always on people's lips as a new another head coach,
he might be the one in Cleveland, the only one
job left. Give me his right. He's eleven and seven.
Here's the other no playoffs. Can I tell you this
the Josh McDaniel which is mind boggling. Hey, he got
fired in Denver, Y, Chris, do you remember cheating? Yes,
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he got caught videotaping other other teams worked, walked through
in London when he played game in London number two.
He gave the word his word to the Colts and
left him at the altar. I'm just saying yet his
name keeps coming up for jobs. He did two things
that that a lot of owners should frown upon. Cheating,
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And you're not a man of your word. You gave
me your word. I had a press conference set up
and you didn't show up, right right? I hear you.
How many brothers could do that? None and can't get
another job? None, you'd be done. I'm you're not a
man of your word. Done? Yep. Eric Maninie, our good friend,
our colleague here that FS one thirty three and forty
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seven made the playoffs once. Mike Rabel, but he's not
a belly. He played for Belle He's he's not a
he's not a bid in coach under he played there.
He's eighteen and fourteen obviously in Tennessee and has him
in the playoffs. Good job. And Bill O'Brien fifty two
and forty four four playoffs. O'Brien's okay, he's okay. He
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was close because if they would have lost that game
to Buffalo, I'm telling you he's like Marvin Lewis right,
I would have fired him, and not because he hasn't
done a solid You gotta say it's a solid job.
He wins the division, but you gotta get he's not
the guy to take you to the next left Marvin Lewis,
for all the time in Cincinnati he lost, he was
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seven oh and seven in playoffs. That's not good enough.
That's where a guy. Some guys are built to get
you to a certain level and then you need someone
else to come and take you over the hump. And
that seems to be the case with the Houston Texans.
We'll see what happens. But the elephant in the room
is that the lack of black coaches being hired. Here
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we go again, yep, and it's it's a sting, and
every they're talking about it all over the league. A
lot of the writers are talking about it, and rightfully so, Chris,
because it's very obvious and you can't have I just
always look at it this way. Your pool of coaches.
You gotta league that's seventy five percent black, around seventy
seventy okay, And and and we're good enough to play,
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good enough to be coordinated, enough to be able, but
not a head coach. Man something drawn with that. That's
not that there's never been any black head coaches, because
one year what they fired two years ago, they just
fired five or six of them. Well, look, you've got
thirty two teams. There is one black general manager, Ozzie
knew Some Oh he happens to be one of the
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best general managers in the league. Okay, And then you've
got three black coaches and one other racial minority in
Ron Rivera, who's a head coach. So you got four
two out of thirty two, three black ones. And it's
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a problem. Eric be into me, is there any doubt
in your mind if Eric being to me was white,
that he'd be a head have a job. Look at
the success he's had in Kansas City. He is the
offensive coordinator for one of the best offensive powered e
recent memory. But you know what they do. They probably
give all the credit to who Andy Reid? You know it?
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Oh yeah, here, but any we call the play that
ain't ever beginning me and that that there's another issue.
Even though you could go and look at some of
these guys who are getting jobs because who aren't even coordinators.
That's where the Joe Judge comes in, really right, seriously,
like right, you're right, he comes out of there. And
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that's where and look a lot of we're not NFL
reporters obviously, but a lot of the NFL reporters are
giving quotes that they've gotten from people within the league.
Here Joe Josina Anderson, who does a good job over ESPN,
She said, an NFL assistant told her this, We're damned
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if you do and damned if you don't. Take these interviews.
Just feels like a pacification process instead of a legit process.
They're talking about the Rooney and here, you know what, Yes,
we just want them to hire the right person, but
how is that being defined? Are we even in the pipeline?
And here's the thing, this is why I'm against the
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Rooney rule. Get rid of the Rooney rule, because it's garbage.
It's boulder dash, it's poppy cock. It ain't real. It
ain't real. These guys already knew who they were gonna hire,
and they parade the black coaches past the media like
a dog and pony show. Look, our black guy came in.
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Everybody writing Dallas seriously considered Marvin lu No, not at all.
They brought him in for a cup of coffee in
a sweet roll, to take pictures and let people know
we are we checked the box. Marvin Lewis came to Dallas.
They had no intentions to hiring Marvin Lewis. Chris, it's
embarrassing and it's wrong. There's no way we should be
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treated like that, that they were going on some token
interviews that don't matter. Years ago, when I was in Detroit,
Matt Miller was gonna hire Steve mat Uch and he
got out, and then the league put a cod boss
on and said, none of them. You can't do it
yet until you follow along with the Rooney rule. You
know what he did. He called up all these black
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guys to come in, and to their credit, none of
them went to Detroit to interview with Matt Millen because
everybody in the league knew that Steve Marry Ugi already
had the job and they refused to be a part
of a dogging pony show to pacify some damn league
rule that isn't doing the job that I was supposed
to do. They had to put this rule in effect
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because at one time they weren't even interviewing black people.
Guys would be there would be ten head coaching jobs. Chris,
and nobody black Hawk got interviewed. No mob, You just said,
why while I agree with your sentiment that these token
interviews are embarrassing and down right wrong. They are. If
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I'm an African American coaching, I know, Hey, I'm just
being brought in to fulfill some Rooney but check the ball.
I'm not going I wouldn't go in there with you there.
But I do disagree in getting rid of the Rooney rules,
as ineffective as it is at times, I disagree with
getting rid of it because you just said it. Before
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the Rooney rule, they weren't even interviewing black candidates. No, dude,
I know, three black head coaches is way too low
out of thirty two teams. But if you didn't have
the Rooney rule, it's possible. I don't know, but it's
possible you wouldn't even have those three. Remember last year
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there was there was a lot made about Steve Wilkes,
African American coach one year, fired after one year, and
a lot of the hires weren't African Americans, and Miami
goes and hires Brian Flores, and it looked, at to
a certain degree, it looked like, man, did they just
bring him in? There was a lot of hubbub about
black coaches like there is today, and he turns out
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like at least this year he did a good job.
He certainly was quality five. So my point is if
you didn't have to as bad as it may be
and ineffective at times, it's better than nothing. And I
hate to say it that way because that shouldn't be
the standard, but it's better than nothing. I would contributions
coaches is better than no black coach. I would contributions
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to the to the NFL are monumental and the idea
that we're being used as in a token way. We're
not all being used that way. I mean most of them.
Most are. And that's why I'm against every will forget
the run people. The alternative. I'll give it to you.
Players should look at the owners and refuse to play
for organizations that won't give minorities opportunities. How about that, Chris? Hey,
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I know, but I'm just saying. That's how you get
saying that. We've been talking about it. That's how you
you could get Colin Capper right and take two seconds tomorrow,
two second that. But you love to see brothers, what
do we do that? What do we see? What do
we see in Missouri? Chris? When they had the racist
thing on camp you know what to play. These are
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college kids on scholarship. They said, we're not going to practice,
We're not playing in any games until this is corrected.
The chancellor and the school president had to step down,
and that's what they did. They shut the whole program
down and they got changed. You can make a difference.
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All right. I gotta give him props because he had
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the guts to come yes after the Patriots took that. Hell,
he's an actor, a singer, producer. You see him all
over the place. Our man, Dinny wat, Donny, what's up? Man?
I'm here? He is? What's up? I was? I was
getting up off the ground because somebody called me. Mark
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Wahlberg wasn't He's at halftime? That was That was not us. Hey,
I know you've been in tears for the last few days.
You are you were covered, y'all. You know, I really,
I really haven't been in tears. Guys, I gotta tell you,
I I you know, I never got on that bandwagon.
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You know, I'm a diehard Pages fan, you know, but
I never really got on that that that hype thing
about the team this year. You know, we started off
really good and we were eight no um and everybody
was like, they're gonna go on the sea that it
was ridiculous. Now the defense was playing great. There were
some weak competition, and I think the defense still played
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really great throughout the rest of the year. And there
were a lot of turnover touch We had a few
pick sixes this year that were really the difference in
games that you know, people don't really I mean, if
you look at there was a pick six, I mean
ingless one at the end of the Tennessee game, but
nonetheless that was the difference in the game, you know.
And there was one in the Miami game, and there
was one you know, um in the Texans game. So
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they really ended up costing us at the at the
end of the day. And it was a consistent theme
this year. But I'd never really thought I really thought
that losing David Andrews and losing um James Devlin and
having a banged up offensive line was really gonna hurt
the teams throughout the year, and I think it did.
I think, you know, we could talk about Gronk being gone,
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but I think the Patriots really suffered by losing those
two guys. They really they were the key to the
running game. You know, they were the timing with Andrews
and Brady and that camaraderie he had. I think people
are underestimating, you know, a lot of the so called experts,
they just say it was Gronk and no weapons, but
that everything changed when Andrews and Devlin went out. Donnie,
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I'm glad you went there because my contention isn't obviously
there's a here we go. There's all they talk about
the time Brady needs to be gone. He's leaving. He's
not gonna retire, but he won't be a Patriot next year.
I contend this, get the offensive line healthy, which we
would assume it will be next year, bring in some
better weapons on the outside at the receiver position. I
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think Harry will improve if he's healthy all year, but
bring in some better weapons. And I still think Brady.
You're a contender. With Brady, I don't think you need
to get rid of him. I think at his age
he can no longer carry kind of the average or
mediocre talent that he has most of his career. But
if you get him top flight receivers and obviously, like
you said, the offensive line, I think he can still
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get it done. What's your view on Brady? I agree?
Here here's my thoughts. I agree. See. I think first
of all, what I like about you two guys is
you guys have strong opinions, but you engage a lot
less in gaslighting like everybody's. It's a lot of the
sports shows that are on right now, it's all about
gas lighting. And you know, if you go by the
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gossip and the rumors, like Brady was supposed to leave
after last year or before last year because Belichick didn't
like his trainer and didn't want his trader on the plane,
and what happened. They stayed and they want a Super Bowl,
you know, So the gossip and the rumors, you know,
the average person reporting on this and I don't own
a fifty million dollar house, so I'm in the same boat.
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But the average person reporting on Brady putting his house
for sale have never sold a fifty million dollar house.
Look him up, look him up. The regis Philbin's house,
who's been on sale for five years in Connecticut for
twenty millions. Like, people don't buy these houses if you
want to sell one. By the time he's retires at
forty five, he might finally be selling that house. But
that said, to answer your question, right, to answer your question,
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I think I think what is different this year. I
think Brady will want to come back. I think it's
really going to come down to he's not going to
be able to get the thirty forty million dollar contract
or whatever the top quarterback is going to be paid,
because then he can't get the weapons in the offensive
line right to give him what he needs to succeed
in New England. Right, So that's that's a that's just
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not gonna work. But I think what it'll be different
this time is he's gonna want a little more input,
you know. I think, if I can guess without knowing,
I think losing Ab not only hurt the team, but
I think it hurt him. I think he felt like,
no matter what Ab was going through, it was like
he was there. Brady hasn't had a guy like that
since Randy Moss, and it was like, you know, he
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needed somebody that could really go deep, like we saw
you know, Metcalf do this weekend for Seattle. Like he
needed that weapon, and I think when he lost it,
I think he probably felt defeated. It was like this
guy can He's not gonna be Gronk, but he's gonna
be different than Gronk. Can give us some difference. So
I agree, Chris. I think if he stays he's gonna
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want to have things, there's gonna have to be an
agreement um that he's gonna want to really get a
guarantee that they're gonna retool and give him what he
needs to have a chance of success. And if the
defense is half as good as this year and they
do do what's necessary to make the offense right, I
think he could definitely thrive and get right back in
contention next year and have a chance to win it.
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You gotta remember three years in a row they've been
to the Super Bowl, right, you know we talk about
Cleveland and Lebron gets worn down because he's in the
finals every year. Well, doesn't that count in football? Didn't
Maybe the Patriots are a little worn down at the
end of this year for having to play much longer
than every other team plays every single That's what I've
been telling Rob Parker, the great actor, singer, producer, Donnie
Wahlberg joining the eye. Come now, Donnie, you know you're
(19:32):
not gonna get off that easily. Are you ready for
some real interrogation? Irote me. I already wrote a column
at the Shadow league dot com. You could go read it.
You could go to our our um. What is the podcast?
The podcast from yesterday? You could go there. At All
I'm telling you is Tom Brady should retire. It's tied
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is online one. He's washed up, Donnie A minute last
year and the Super Bowl? No touchdowns? What one fumble?
One interception year? This year? He stunk. He's bad, he's
washed up. Come on, Donnie, give it to me. You
know he's washed all right, Rob? They only the Patriots
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scored thirteen points in the super Bowl last year. That
is true. And they did win the game. Now you
could say they should have scored more, or Brady didn't
play great, whatever, whatever, it doesn't matter. They won the game.
You know, if and if you're gonna say, like Joe
Montana is a better player than Brady because he won
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all the Super Bowls well, he his team only won
twenty to sixteen against the Cincinnati Bengals. Uh is the
Cincinnati Bengals defense from whatever year it was that much
better than Aaron Donald and and Dominican Sue and what
the Rams had on the field last year. I don't
think so. No, but the difference he is gonna be
forty three. Look at him, Donnie looking. Put on your glasses.
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His arm strength is bad. His accurateous accuracy is bad.
He's not the same guy. Did you see the video
before the season of him and his daughter falling off
the cliff That that's a that was a preview of
Tom Brady's season. And I want you to know, Tony,
you know video I'm talking about. And I want you
to know. Before the season started, I bet Skip Bayless
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live on Undisputed on national television that the that the
Patriots wouldn't make it to the AFC Championship game. He
laughed in my face. He couldn't believe I would make
that bet. We're going to the most expensive restaurant in
Beverly Hills. Because I was on it, I saw through it.
The most expensive. Well, it's interesting, Rob, You're you're you're
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screaming at me about something you argued with Skip Bayless about.
I'm not gonna take up for Skip Bayless right here
with you, guys, um because Skip Skip probably also predicted
the Cowboys within the Super Bowl. So not just you
already know that be that accurate. But here's the thing
I think, And you know, we could say Brady fell
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off the cliff whatever. Look, they scored thirteen points in
the Super Bowl last year. They also he also put
up a bunch of points in the two previous games
before that. He put up five hundred yards in the
Super Bowl before that, you know, and they took an
l So you know, I'd rather have thirteen points and
win than thirty three points against the Eagles and lose
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shut out in the second half. Here's all you had
to say to Rob in sports, there's a short menu
wins and lost and won that Super Bowl away from Brady.
I get it. There's a look, there's a tit for
tap for all of this. You know what I mean,
It just is what it is. It's like, Yes, you
(22:53):
know the Atlanta super Bowl, Brady looked terrible for three
quarters and then he put together the best quarter in
overtime in history, it's sure you so you can base
you can judge him off for the first three quarters,
or you can say they won the game. As far
as we're concerned in New England, we got six rings.
Now you can argue, I think the jury's out. Rob.
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I'm not gonna say. I'm definitely not gonna say Brady
fell off the cliff and he's washed up. But I
will say, we don't know for sure. You know, it's
it's a funny thing. It's a little conundrum because he
definitely didn't look like himself this year, there's no question,
and I did not look like himself now. So I
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think for me, as a Patriots fan, and as a
Brady fan, and as a Belichick fan, the whole nine,
I would love to see him come back. I would
love to see him have everything he needs around him
to succeed, and you know, and and give it one
more goal. Now, if if they get everything he needs
and they don't succeed and he doesn't look good, well
(23:56):
there's the answer to the question. But I don't think
anybody in New England's gonna write him off based on
this season, with all the things that changed around the
offense and what they were dealing with. Now he was
part of the problem. I'm not gonna sit here and say, well,
they didn't have no receivers and blah blah blah. Because
some of those guys we've been winning with him, with
Edelman that's said he could do that, he could do
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that as a younger guy. I don't think he knew
that at these guys going on forty three. Here's the
last thing, Donnie, I'll bet you ten chicken wings and
a large die Coke that Tom Brady will wind up
with the Chargers next year and he will not and
ot be with the Pages. You want to bet take
that bet? No, I have no no interest in betting
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that because that really has nothing to do with the
What we're really talking about is can the guy still play?
So here's the thing, the Chargers. I don't see how
he goes to the Chargers unless they're just gonna pack
up Philip Rivers bags and throw him in the trash um.
You know, a potential Hall of Fame quarterback. You know,
I don't know that that's going to happen. So I
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don't take the Chargers that seriously. I think the really
only possible destinations for him and I got one curveball,
one curveball. But I think the logical ones if he
leaves would be the Colts, because you know, they got everything.
They got a great D, they got a great offensive line,
they got weapons. Um, you know, he worked with Jacoby
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Brissette before, So if he stays, you know, they have
a relationship. Maybe that works somehow. The Bears probably gonna
give up on their young quarterback. They got a great D.
They have a lot of potential. I don't think he's
gonna leave the Patriots for either of those teams though,
just for money. He got money. His wife's the billionaire. Like,
he don't need money. It's not about money at this point,
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as far as I'm concerned, it's the curveball, the curveballs.
Jerry Jones jed Why didn't Erry Jones pay Dak? He's
not paying Daka? Jerry jonesy enough would be he would
be crazy, not crazy crazy. Do you take Brady over
Dak at this point? No, I'm not Jerry Jones. I'm
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he sna went after Belichick. That's what he should have done.
If is it possible, I'm putting out the video, is
it possible that if they can't they say, we're not
gonna pay Doak all this money. They try and get
a one or two year run with Brady. I don't know.
I'm just trying to out he's going to play in
a freaking soccer stadium that they got a brand new
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stadium that opened it up in Inglewood. We got time, man.
We definitely love you guys. When you come to La,
come to the studio on give you an album. I'm
coming to the studio for sure after you, guys, to
be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker weekdays at seven pm
(26:51):
Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
iHeart Radio app. But we're gonna take a little hiatus.
And I know that my partner, he typically, you know,
he only wants to talk about sunshine and oh I
don't petunias and roses and chef Poky pigs girl from
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his name when it comes to baseball. But something fun
going on. We're not talking about a foul ball. Baseball
is pretty foul right now, and I'm not happy about it,
all right, So I'm gonna let you I'm gonna let
you vent but to give the news Boston Rats. Now,
now we know the Houston Astros stop busted big time
(27:38):
for when they won their championship, right, and now the
Boston Red Sox are reportedly cheated use the video replay
room to steal signs from opposing pictures and catchers during
their World Series run in twenty eighteen. So two of
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the last three World Series champions now are accused of
cheating in their championship seasons. This is big. I mean,
if can you imagine rob if it was in the
NFL or the NBA cheating straight champions right, I get
(28:22):
used of cheating now, I guess you if you're gonna
go to the Patriots obviously, right. Uh their first two titles,
the Rams and the Carolina Panthers swore up and down
that they think the Patriots cheated. They couldn't prove it
everything they were doing and you saw how close the
(28:44):
game was. But there the difference is, and I'm not
trying to poo poo it, but the difference is it
was not proven. And this is just a report, and
the league and the Red Sox say they're going to
investigate it, so we'll get more information. I guess but
it's ugly right now. It's a stain on America's past,
no doubt. And Chris, here's the thing. This isn't a
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rogue guy or a picture or batter or somebody and
they're trying to steal some signs or at second base
and you look in you know what I mean, or
the catcher doesn't cover up his fingers. That that's that's
that's part of the game. When it's organizational and you're
using the facilities and you set up cameras like the
Astros reportedly did, and now this video replay the still
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signed that's above and beyond. That's what you're messing with
the integrity of the game. You know this. It's the
hardest thing to do is day the baseball it by
knowing what's coming. It is you talk to most people.
I mean, I know that's the conventional with I'm just saying,
if you talk to the most athlete because you just
don't know what's coming. Faily hard to hit a base
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and the fact that if you hit it thirty three
percent of the time, you're awesome. No other sport is
that good. That number, right you are gonna need to
do is get three hits out of ten at bats
and you're in the Hall of Fame, so you failed
seven times. But anyway, longer story is, Chris, this has
to stop. And the commissioner, Rob Manford, this is where
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I want to see Chris. Here's his moment on the stage.
You remember when bugs Bud Ceeler got all big after
the fact of the steroid era and all that, and
now you wanted to punish people after the fact. Here
it is, you got proof, you got all his investigations
going on. How hard are you gonna come down on
these organizations? How hard? I'm gonna tell you how hard
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I would Chris. I would ban the general manager, I
would ban the team president. I would ban the manager,
anybody in there, out out of the league, out of
the league. If I have evidence, Chris, that you knew
what was going on and you were knowingly cheating by
setting up cameras and setting up stuff. Now he Rose
(30:59):
was brand out of the game. You know why because
when you walk in you cover baseball, Chris in Cleveland,
when you walk in any clubhouse in America, there's a
big sign up there talking about about gambling. Am I right? Right?
The biggest sign in the room is about to do
not gamble, because you mess with the integrity of the sport.
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And the same thing here. You can't have this and
you can't have a commissioner who's gonna give them some
financial some some monetary. Fine, Chris, that's not good enough.
The teams got so much money, it's nothing. You think
I'm crazy. Well, let me ask you this because you,
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if I recall correctly, you didn't go this far with
Belichick and the Patriots. No, Okay, this to me is
worth seriously, Chris, because uh, you're talking about when when
the Astros they're banging a garbage can, they're blowing whistles.
I mean, the Yankees complained about it in the playoffs.
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Nobody did anything. They didn't think it was anything to it.
But all I'm saying is this is like an organizational cheating,
like big time. And I'm not saying like what the
Patriots they got busted. I would have loved to have
seen the tapes, and that's what I always say. Roger
Goodell made a big mistake, and he even hurt the
Patriots because if we would have saw that tape for ourselves, Chris,
maybe the only reason they killed it was because it
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was bad. Am I right? Otherwise otherwise you show it
to us. So they destroyed the tape so we never
got to see him. So we have no choice but
to but to believe that they were bad. And that's
why uh Belichick got fined the largest fine of any
NFL coach ever. And in this case, I don't think
money is good enough. Chris. There's not a big enough fine.
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I don't know that. Some people want them to take
the championships away. That see, that's that's where you are,
I would say, and I don't bann it for life.
That's the nuclear option, right manager, team GM president. But
I like that. Okay, so they're band for life, But
I would take it one step further. You lose the
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championships because what you're doing it for is to be
able to say you won three titles, you won one
World Series title, whatever it is. And if they take
that away from you, take that away from your record.
I look, I understand it happens in college when they
take away you know, the championships, the bands like Michigan,
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the Five five, you know, they want to rake them
all down. Reggie Bush with his heisman, we all look
at them as champions are you know, Fave five didn't
win it, but you know, we remember their great run.
We remember Reggie Bush and his great year. We view
him as you know, that type of player. Here's the difference, though,
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there's a difference, and most people don't take it away
from the college athlete right when they when they strip
them something an award, a championship, they don't. We don't
really say they took it away. The reason is because
ninety nine times out of a hundred, what is the athlete, uh,
(34:14):
critic not criticized? What is the athlete reprimanded for punished
for taking money from a booster? Which, let's be honest, kids,
I'm not trying to justify it, but we don't view
that as bad as cheating in the Game's Reggie Bush
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the rules of the NCAA, but not the game with
the integrity like that doesn't change that didn't make a
good point Reggie Bush run any differently, catch the ball,
get or give a disadvantage to the other chap because
he took a free pizza whatever. And so that's why
now in this the very reason we would celebrate the
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astros or the red side, we can't celebrate them for
that anymore because you cheat it. Now we don't know
if you're the best. And I do think it would
be a serious taint and scarlet letter on that franchise.
You don't, I say, take away the championship. You don't
look at the Astros the same way, do you? I
mean now, I mean three seasons, Chris, they had an
unbelievable team, remember that, right, And we were like, okay,
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the Asholls didn't run a great run, had a great run.
And now you look at them and go, well, ill,
no one that they hit the heck out of the
ball or whatever. They're coming up clutch all the time
the other But how think beat the Yankees run? They
might have known what was coming. No, they may have.
And here's the thing round, as much as it tainted
a little bit right now, what if MLB came out
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and said we are stripping the Astros of their championship.
It's eraced from the record books. It would put even
more of a taint. And I honestly wouldn't really think
of him. It's hard to say because we're not in
that situation, but I feel right now like I would
not look at them miss champions. Here's the other part.
And here's why I go after the people who were involved,
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the authority figures, not the players so much, because if
you come to think, if you come to a player
and say, dude, if we know what's coming, dude, you're
gonna take advantage of that, right, Yeah, it's on the
decision maker exactly, the people who run the organ sation.
They want to give it to you, going, but no,
I'm gonna. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna listen to you.
Tell me. Your teammates might even look at you like, yo,
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we're trying to win the championship. Why aren't you Why
aren't you on board on this? We're trying to help.
And and I think if you start banning the people
in charge when they do this illegal activity Chris and cheating,
and you tell somebody there banned from the game, like that,
stop it that that's like that sh that's your whole career,
your whole legacy is tainted. There's a lot more that
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goes with it. People look at you totally different. Oh yeah,
that's that show blow the general who used to be
the general manager of the Astros, remember he got banned
from baseball. They cheated let's show Jackson Pete rose to
some degree. I mean, he's obviously rebounded incredibly well, Alex Rodriguez,
but you still think about that now, this stuff that
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people will never let go of. Right, he never got
to the point of a Pete rose. But but Pete
rose for a lot of people, Chris who didn't grow
up watching them like we did. We saw Charlie, Charlie Hustle.
We saw him as a player. Most of the millennials
or whatever, they just know him as this old dude
who did something. What a great player? He was? Right.
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You're right, and I've said this for a long time.
Robe with the peeds, if you banned players, if you're
found out to have used peeds, you're out and your
contract is voided. Now. I know sometimes there are false alarms,
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but if you're one hundred percent certain that this guy
used peeds, if you said you're banned, see it would
I think it would cut it down. I mean probably
did not right, it probably would. But here's minern thing.
The only reason I pushed back on the way that
they did it. They didn't test everybody during that time,
So it's unfair like you didn't like like I'm just
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saying everybody, right, That's what I mean. If you tested everybody, Chris,
and you found eight or ten or twelve players, and
then you could do that. But back then, during the
steroid era, there were guys who were using it who
got away with them and the only one that looked
at us Bonds and Sosa guys who had home runs.
But there were pictures there were guys who were hitting
four home runs a year who were using the juice
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too well. And what they can't say saying this is
and I believe. Let me tell you, I believe that
the number was hired and people want to believe. Okay,
I agree with you, and I'm gonna throw this at you.
I believe that this type of cheating we're talking about
with the Astros and the Red Sox, I think it's rampant.
I think they're not the only two teams. Come on,
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I mean, were they at brazen. There was another report
with the Blue Jays. I remember a few years ago
they thought they were steal inside. So you might be right,
they might be the others. I think it is like steroids,
because you think there are some here and there that
don't do it. But I think for the most part,
people are doing it.
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