Should the NFL Roll Back the Rooney Rule?

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be We're schedule, should we let it be? Let's say,
like the biggest Patriots fan, going huge Patriots fan, all right,
He's a big star Boston, no doubt, And you can

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sing about that. That's all good enough, that's enough of
a but it's gonna be a lot of fun because
he's like shooting something a TV show or something. So yeah,
it's a little dicey, but hopefully we'll get him. But
obviously a lot of NFL to talk some new hires
and we'll get into that's the like of hires. Yes,

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that's right, but let me welcome in my partner. What's
up man? How are you? What's happening, mister Chris Busso,
I don't want to say real quick before we get
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I got wet too. I got a little wet at
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got wet and a little moist right now. I had
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not that wet, but it was. It was great. We

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saw Ac Green there. We sure didn't talk to him.
A lot of stars were there as he still on
that kick or kick you know. No, you gotta say
it out loud, but he was a virgin when he
was playing in the NBA. He's married now he's doing
this thing good. Yes, that's nice. Yes, so anyway, but yes,

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we fully recommend the movie. Anyone who is concerned about
justice really goes. And even if you aren't, go see it,
because I think you will be after you see this.
It angered me at the times. I'm glad, you know,
it was a happy ending for him, but it also
lets you know how sad there are a lot of
people out there that they aren't happy in these for him,

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and they're innocent, and this is true. It's not a story,
it's a true story. And the last thing I'm gonna
say too is there's a sense of pride. There's a
there's Ed Bradley, the former CBS anchor and reporter in
the whole thing. That sixty minutes sixty minutes piece that
he did in it, that helped along this whole thing,
and it made as proud as journalists because that's really,

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you know, the media looking out for the little guy.
And a lot of people forget that, they really do.
They always ripping on the media. They call the media
the fourth estate. Yeah, the seventh isn't it? The fourth state?
Maybe the fifth estate? But yeah, that's what you take
care of, you know, right, you got to take care
of every part of the system of checks and balances. Yeah,
having this but definitely it was great time. Thank you

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Chris for the invite. It was great. Yeah, you were
a seventh on my list, but I'm glad you can't
what so six other people, six other people down? You
were the first. You're gonna do that to the first
person I invited? Period? Well? Thank you? Yeah, all right,
let's welcome into our couple of cool wouldn't be able
to do this. Fine Radio program without him. Rob g

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the business. They're all on the other side of the glass.
Come on, Chris Brussalt, on this trash talking Tuesday. Let's

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kick some ass. All right, Well, the big news is
that there were a few more coaching hires in the NFL.
We already have had the Dallas Cowboys they hired um
Mike McCarthy, and we had had before that. Who was
the one before that? The first one. I'll get to

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that in a moment. I'm blanking me. Today you have
had Baylor, Yeah, the Redskins, right, Ron Rivera, the Bradskins,
and today you had the Carolina Panthers. Give us seven year,
sixty million dollars deal to Baylor's Matt Rule. Matt Rule

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has been a good coach. I mean he turned Baylor
around immediately. The Golden Rule, right, He's got the headline
in the April at the down in Charlotte. I bet
you it is the Golden Rule. It might be. It
might be that would be on the back page. It
would be on the back page of the daily news
of the Post. Speaking of the back page, the New
York Giants. The New York Football Giants filled their coaching

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vacancy with a guy that most people had not heard of. Okay, uh,
he's a young cat thirty eight years old. Was the
New England Patriots wide receivers and special teams coach. He
wasn't a coordinator. No, his name is Joe Judge. I
just got one question for you, Chris, was Judge Judy

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not available? Come on, Joe Judge, who is that? I
can't tell whether you're serious. You started out joking and
now you're you're fading into something serious. No, no, no,
I'm just playing. But those are the two coaching hires.
And look, I think Matt Rule was a fine hire.

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You know, we'll see how he does that. All the
college coaches that come to the NFL don't excel. But
I think he's a good coach. He's been in the
NFL on staff, he was with the Giants, So I
think Matt Rule I'm fine with that. Joe Judge, I
know nothing about other than you know his positions that
he's on the Bill Belichick coaching staff, and he's part

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of the Bill Belichick coaching tree which needs water and
some are fertilizer because it ain't doing that great. They
just keep hiring Bill Belichick disciples and I don't know, now,
you you you're you're speaking truth, rob Let's face it.
Bill Belichick disciples have not done well, not at all period.

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I don't know why they keep doing And Matt Patrician
Detroit terrible the first two years. Seriously, Romeo Cornell was bad.
And we didn't even bring up Charlie Weiss, who went
to Notre Dame Chris and flamed out there right right.
We don't even count him it because he is five
and eleven Miami. But look, he actually did a good

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job this year. So maybe he will turn the tide
a little bit and he'll be a good coach for them.
But thus far, the Bill Belichick coaching tree has been
pretty darn bad period. There's no if SAMs or butts
about it. It has not been good. And so uh
there's that. I mean, here here the records for coaches

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on the Bill Belichick tree. Bill O'Brien's the I save
that for last, since he's the best. Matt Patricia nine
twenty two and one nice, zero playoffs in two years.
Brian Flores again five and eleven, but did a good
job with Miami. They didn't make the playoffs, right, the
jury is out. Romeo Crisnell twenty eight and fifty five,

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no playoffs four five years in Cleveland he got. He
had the longest tenure in recent memory in Cleveland and
obviously didn't do well with it. Josh McDaniels, he's a
guy that that's always on people's lips as a new
another head coach, he might be the one in Cleveland,
the only one job left. Give me his right even

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and seven and here's the other playoff. Can I tell
you this the Josh McDaniel which is mind boggling. Hey,
he got fired in Denver. Why Chris, do you remember cheating? Yes,
he got caught videotaping to other other teams. Worked walked
through in London when he play a game in London.
Number two, he gave the word his word to the

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cults and left him at the altar. I'm just saying.
Yet his name keeps coming up for jobs. He did
two things that a lot of owners should frown upon cheating.
And you're not a man of your word. You gave
me your word. I had a press conference set up
and you didn't show up, right right, I hear you.
How many brothers could do that? None and can't get

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another job? You'd be done. I'm you're not a man
of your word. Yep, Eric Maninie, our good friend, our
colleague here that FS one, thirty three and forty seven
made the playoffs once. Mike Rabel, but he's not a Belly.
He played for Belli. He's not a he's not a Bia.

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He played there. He's eighteen and fourteen obviously in Tennessee
and has him in the playoffs. Good job. And Bill
O'Brien fifty two and forty four four playoffs. O'Brien's okay,
He's okay. He was close because if they would have
lost that game to Buffalo, I'm telling you he's like
Marvin Lewis, right, I would have fired him, and not
because he hasn't done a solid You gotta say it's

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a solid job. He wins the division, but you gotta
get he's not the guy to take you to the
next left. Marvin Lewis for all the time in Cincinnati
he lost. He was seven oh and seven in playoffs.
That's not good enough. That's where a guy. Some guys
are built to get you to a certain level and
then you need someone else to come and take you

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over the hump. And that seems to be the case
with the Houston Texans. We'll see what happens. But the
elephant in the room is that the lack of black
coaches being hired. Here we go again, yep, and it's
it's a sting, and every they're talking about it all
over the league. A lot of the writers are talking
about it, and rightfully so, Chris, because it's very obvious

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and you can't have I just always look at it
this way. Your pool of coaches. You got a league
that's seventy five percent black, around seventy seventy okay, and
and we're good enough to play, good enough to be coordinated,
is good enough to be able, but not a head coach.
Man something drawn with that. That's not that there's never

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been any black head coaches because one year what they
fired two years ago they just fired five or six
of them. Well, look right, you've got thirty two teams.
There is one black general manager Ozzie Knews. Oh he
hap is to be one of the best general managers
in the league. Okay, And then you've got three black

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coaches and one other racial minority in Ron Rivera, who's
a head coach. So you got four out of thirty
two three black ones. And it's a problem. Eric b
into me. Is there any doubt in your mind if
Eric be in to Me was white, that he'd be

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a head have a job. Look at the success he's
had in Kansas City. He is the offensive coordinator for
one of the best offensive powered recent memory. But you
know what they do, They probably give all the credit
to who Andy Reid? You know it? Oh? Yeah, he there,
but he re calls a play that ain't Eric beIN
of me? And that that there's another issue, even though

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you could go and look at some of these guys
who are getting jobs rich, who aren't even coordinators. That's
where the Joe Judge comes in, really, right, seriously, like right,
you're right, he comes out of there, and that's where
and look, a lot of we're not NFL reporters, obviously,
but a lot of the NFL reporters are giving quotes

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that they've gotten from people within the league. Here, Joe
Josina Anderson, who does a good job over ESPN, She said,
an NFL assistant told her this, We're damned if you
do and damned if you don't. Take these interviews. Just
feels like a pacification process instead of a legit process.

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They're talking about the Rooney right here. You know what, Yes,
we just want them to hire the right person. But
how is that being defined? Are we even in the pipeline?
And here's the thing, this is why I'm against the
Rooney rule. Get rid of the Rooney rule, because it's garbage,
it's boulder dash, it's poppy cock. It ain't real, it

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ain't real. These guys already knew who they're gonna hire,
and they parade the black coaches past the media like
a dog and pony show. Look, our black guy came in.
Everybody writing Dallas seriously considered Marvin lu No, not at all.
They brought him in for a cup of coffee in
the sweet role, to take pictures and let people know

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we are we checked the box. Marvin Lewis came to Dallas.
They had no intentions to hiring Marvin Lewis. Chris, it's
embarrassing and it's wrong. There's no way we should be
treating like that that they were going on some token
interviews that don't matter. Years ago, when I was in Detroit,
Matt Miller was gonna hire Steve Marrayuchi and he got out,

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and then the league put a ki bosh on and
said no, no no, no, no, you can't do it yet
until you follow along with the Rooney rule. You know
what he did. He called up all these black guys
to come in, and to their credit, none of them
went to Detroit to interview with Matt Millen because everybody
in the league knew that Steve Marrige already had the job,
and they refused to be a part of a dogging

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pony show to pacify some damn league rule that isn't
doing the job that I was supposed to do. They
had to put this rule in effect because at one
time they weren't even interviewing black people. Guys would be
there would be ten head coaching jobs. Chris and nobody
black Hawk got interviewed. No, Bob, you just said why.

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While I agree with your sentiment that these token interviews
are embarrassing and down right wrong, they all if I'm
an African American coach, and I know I'm just being
brought in to fulfill some Rooney but Checobob, I'm not
going I wouldn't go in there. I'm with you there,
But I do disagree in getting rid of the Rooney rules,

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as ineffective as it is at times, I disagree with
getting rid of it because you just said it. Before
the Rooney rule, they weren't even interviewing a black candidates. No, dude,
I know, three black head coaches is way too low
out of thirty two teams. But if you didn't have
the Rooney rule, it's possible. I don't know, but it's

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possible you wouldn't even have those three. Remember last year
there was there was a lot made about Steve Wilkes,
African American coach one year, fired after one year, and
a lot of the hires weren't African Americans, and Miami
goes and hires Brian Flores, and it looked, at to
a certain degree, it looked like, man, did they just
bring him in? There was a lot of hubbub about

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black coaches like there is today, and he turns out
like at least this year he did a good job.
He certainly was qualified. So my point is, if you
didn't have, as bad as it may be and ineffective
at times, it's better than nothing. And I hate to
say it that way because that shouldn't be the standard,
but it's better than nothing. I would contributack coaches is

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better than no black coaches. I would contribution to the
to the NFL are monumental and the idea that we're
being used as in a token way. We're not all
being used that way. I mean most of them, most are,
And that's why I'm against that rule. Forget the rule.
Make people alive. I'll give it to you. Players should

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look at the owners and refuse to play for organizations
that won't give minorities opportunities. How about that, Chris, Hey,
I know what I'm just saying. That's how you get that.
We've been talking about it. That's how you could get
Colin cap right and take two seconds tomorrow, two seconds,
But you do that. What do we see him? What

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do we see in Missouri, Chris, when they had the
racist thing on campus. You know what the player, these
are college kids on scholarship. They said, we're not going
to practice, we're not playing in any games until this
is corrected. The chancellor and the school president had to
step down, and that's what they did. They shut the
whole program down and they got changed. You can make

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a difference, all right, I agree, but I wish the
players would step up like that for many things. College
kids did it, all right? Is it time to do
away with the Rooney rule in the NFL? Eight seven
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we get rid of the Rooney rule? As Rob says?

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We're talking about the Rooney rule? Should it stay or
should it go? Liy, do you want to weigh in?
Let's get too. At eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox,
Sean and Sacramento. You're on with Chris and Rob? What's happening?
Uncle from another mother? Man? How are you fellers doing
the man? We're doing great? How are you? Man? I'm
great until I know it's not trash talking Tuesday yet.

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But Rob brother, you might be wet, but them jokes
are drier than four day old chicken. Man. Come on, man,
Golden rule, what we do? I know? Chris got you.
I'm about to stand up, but can we come with
some petty material? Hey? Jack and Sean if you want,
if you want fresh stuff, turn on Jimmy, fallon all right.

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Each and every day, each and every day, I feel
worse and worse about doing this. Stand up, all right?
What you got, Sean? You got some thick ear drums
over there? Chris, I'm real quick. My take on this thing,
man is, Look, I'm all for affirmative action in the NFL. Honestly,
I don't think you could turn you could turn it
into an equal opportunity. No matter what you do, the

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powers above are gonna make the choices they want to make.
And if they lose out on talent and black coaches,
that's on them. Because for everything you got to remember,
there were guys like the broncos O, the head coach
who flamed out real fast, the black head coach that
was over there in Tampa Bay. These are dudes that
got the opportunity and didn't make the most of it.
So I think that that stigma still lies around. How

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there's that stigma there though they shouldn't be there. You've
got why not the Tony Dungee stigma. Jim Carwell, Jim
Cole didn't nothing, made the playoffs two times in three
years in four in two times in four years in Detroit,
got fired after going nine and seven, and they bring
in Matt Patricia, who's got two years right right? I mean, thanks, Sean,

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appreciate it. What about Derek and California. You're on the
odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's going on? Guys?
Thank you for taking a call. Yes, hey man, My
take on it is they actually should give it a rule.
To me, I think it's a politically correct rule. And
we as black people, like we're trying to advance ourselves,
and when you have a rule in place that it's

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not really for our benefit because it's just a hey,
look at us, we attribute the black coach. Okay, now,
we can get our guy, and I wonder to have one.
What about them? What about the black coaches that do
get hired out of that? And what about those that
may not have ever gotten that chance were it not
for the Rooney rule? Can come up because I put
you on game on that they those coaches that are

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being brought in are never being given the full opportunity
to build that franchise. Well, now all of the coaches
aren't in that bag, some of them. So would you
rather have no black coaches? No? No, I would rather
I'd rather have an organization that actually is dedicated to

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a coach, to a black coach, and give film the
opportunity to build. Of course, of course I'd rather have
none of the roners have a racist bone in their body?
How about that? But what they do some of them,
And so I'm just that's yeah, that that that's I
screaming and bubble guming on that. Yeah, that'd be nice,

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But organizations aren't like that. That's why you need the
Rooney rule. Thanks Derek Lee and Georgia. You're on the
yad couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's going on, guys?
How are you doing? Uh? It's sad that you have
to have a rule in the first place, totally. My
thing is, it's not just having the rule. It's kind

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of just like the past interference. You got it, But
how many calls did we see get changed because of
the rule? Rules? Nothing but rotting. There's always gonna be
loopholes and ways around the rule. When I played high
school football, we weren't supposed to practice until a certain
time with a football. We still practice just without without
a foot, without the ball. Right, you still practice, right?

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I hear you. Thanks, appreciate it. All right. One of
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in the first segment. Yeah, we said there's one black
general manager the LEA. That's true, but it's Chris Greer
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I gotta give him props because he had the guts
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Is he there? Did he run? I'm here? He is there?
He is? What's up? What I was? I was getting
up off the ground because somebody called me Mark Wahlberg.
That wasn't all He's at half time. That was not us.
That was not us. Hey, I know you've been in

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tears for the last few days. You are you recovered, y'all?
You know, I really, I really haven't been in tears, guys.
I gotta tell you I I you know, I never
got on that bandwagon. You know, I'm a diehard Patriots fan,
you know, but I never really got on that that
that hype thing about the team this year. You know,
we started off really good and we were eight no

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and everybody was like, they're gonna go on the season.
It was ridiculous. Now the defense was playing great. There
were some weak competition, and I think the defense still
played really great throughout the rest of the year. And
there are a lot of turnover touch We had a
few pick sixes this year that were really the difference
in games that you know, people don't really I mean,
if you look at there was a pick six, a

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meaningless one at the end of the Tennessee game, but
nonetheless that was the difference in the game, you know.
And there was one in the Miami game, and there
was one, you know, in the Texans game. So they
really ended up costing us at the at the end
of the day. And it was a consistent theme this year.
But I never really thought I really thought that losing

(25:46):
David Andrews and losing James Devlin and having a banged
up offensive line was really gonna hurt the teams throughout
the year, and I think it did. I think, you know,
we could talk about Grons being gone, but I think
the Patriots really suffered by lou was in those two guys.
They really they were the key to the running game.
You know, they were the timing with Andrews and Brady

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and that camaraderie he had. I think people are underestimating,
you know, a lot of the so called experts, they
just say it was growk and no weapons. But everything
changed when Andrews and Devlin went out. Donnie, I'm glad
you went there because my contention is, obviously there's a
here we go, there's all to talk about. Tom Brady
needs to be gone. He's leaving. He's not gonna retire,

(26:28):
but he's he won't be a Patriot next year. I
contend this, get the offensive line healthy, which we would
assume it will be next year, bring in some better
weapons on the outside at the receiver position. I think
Harry will improve if he's healthy all year, but bring
in some better weapons, and I still think Brady. You're
a contender. With Brady, I don't think you need to

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get rid of him. I think at his age he
can no longer carry kind of the average or mediocre
talent that he has most of his career. But if
you get him top flight receive and obviously, like you said,
a defensive line, I think he can still get it done.
What's your view on Brady? I agree. Here here's my thoughts.
I agree. See. I think first of all, what I

(27:10):
like about you two guys is you guys have strong opinions,
but you engage a lot less in gaslighting like everybody's.
It's a lot of the sports shows that are on
right now, it's all about gaslighting. And you know, if
you go by the gossip and the rumors, like Brady
was supposed to leave after last year or before last
year because Belichick didn't like his trainer and didn't want

(27:33):
his trainer on the plane, and what happened. They stayed
and they want a Super Bowl, you know, So the
gossip and the rumors, you know, the average person reporting
on this and I don't own a fifty million dollar house,
so I'm in the same boat. But the average person
reporting on Brady putting his house or sale. Have never
sold a fifty million dollar house, Look him up, look

(27:53):
him up. They regis Philbin's house has been on sale
for five years in Connecticut for twenty millions. Like, people
don't these houses if you want to sell one. By
the time he's retires at forty five, he might finally
be selling that house. But that said, to answer your question, right,
to answer your question, I think I think what is
different this year. I think Brady will want to come back.

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I think it's really going to come down to he's
not going to be able to get the thirty forty
million dollar contract or whatever the top quarterback is going
to be paid, because then he can't get the weapons
in the offensive line right to give him what he
needs to succeed in New England. Right. So that's that's
a that's just not gonna work. But I think what
will be different this time is he's gonna want a

(28:37):
little more input, you know. I think, if I can
guess without knowing, I think losing Ab not only hurt
the team, but I think it hurt him. I think
he felt like no matter what Ab was going through,
it was like he was there Brady hasn't had a
guy like that since Randy Moss, and it was like,
you know, he needed somebody that could really go deep,

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like we saw you know, Metcalf do this week for Seattle.
Like he needed that weapon. And I think when he
lost it, I think he probably felt defeated. It was
like this guy can He's not gonna be Gronk, but
he's gonna be different than Gronk. Can give us some difference.
So I agree, Chris. I think if he stays he's
gonna want to have things, there's gonna have to be
an agreement um that he's gonna want to really get

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a guarantee that they're gonna retool and give him what
he needs to have a chance for success. And if
the defense is half as good as this year and
they do do what's necessary to make the offense right,
I think he could definitely thrive and get right back
in contention next year and have a chance to win it.
You gotta remember three years in a row they've been
to the Super Bowl, right, you know, we talk about
Cleveland and Lebron gets worn down because he's in the

(29:42):
finals every year. Well, doesn't that count in football? Didn't
maybe the Patriots are a little worn down at the
end of this year for having to play much longer
than every other team plays every single That's what I've
been the great actor, singer, producer Donnie Wahlberg joining the eye. Now, Donny,
you know you're not gonna get off that easily. Are
you ready for some real interrogation? I already wrote a

(30:05):
column at the Shadow league dot com. You could go
read it. You could go to our our um. What
is the podcast from the podcast from yesterday? You could
go there. At All I'm telling you is Tom Brady
should retire. It's tied, is online one? He's washed up,
Donnie admitted last year in the Super Bowl, no touchdowns,

(30:29):
what one fumble, one interception? Him at this year? This
year he was he stunk, He's bad. He's washed up.
Come on, Donnie, give it to me. You know he's
washed all right, Rob. They the Patriots scored thirteen points
in the Super Bowl last year. That is true, and

(30:50):
they did win the game. Now you could say they
should have scored more, or Brady didn't play great, whatever, whatever,
it doesn't matter. They won the game. You know, And
if you're gonna say, like Joe Montana is a better
player than Brady because he won all the Super Bowls. Well,
he his team only won twenty to sixteen against the

(31:11):
Cincinnati Bengals. Uh Is the Cincinnati Bengals defense from whatever
year it was that much better than Aaron Donald and
Dominican Sue and what the Rams had on the field
last year. I don't think so. No, But the difference
is Brady is gonna be forty three. Look at him,
Donnie looking put on your glasses. His arm strength is bad.

(31:31):
His ACCURATEUS accuracy is bad. He's not the same guy.
Did you see the video before the season of him
and his daughter falling off the cliff That that's a
that was a preview of Tom Brady's season. And I
want you to know, Donny, you know video I'm talking about,
And I want you to know, before the season started,
I bet Skip Bayless live on Undisputed on national television

(31:55):
that the that the Patriots wouldn't make it to the
AFC Championship Game. He laughed in my face, he couldn't
believe I would make that bet. We're going to the
most expensive restaurant in Beverly Hills. Because I was on it.
I saw the expensive Oh it's interesting, Rob, You're you're
you're screaming at me about something you argued with Skip

(32:16):
Bayliss about. I'm not gonna take up for Skip Bayliss
right here with you, guys, um because Skip Skip propably
also predicted the Cowboys was in the Super Bowl. So
I'm not just you already know that that accurate. But
here's the thing I think, and you know, we could
say Brady fell off the cliff whatever. Look, they scored

(32:36):
thirteen points in the Super Bowl last year. They also
he also put up a bunch of points in the
two previous games before that. He's put up five hundred
yards in the Super Bowl before that, you know, and
they took an el So you know, I'd rather have
thirteen points and win than thirty three points against the
Eagles and lose. They got shut out in the second

(32:57):
half at home. They Here's all you had to say
to Rob in sports, there's a short menu wins and
loss and that Super Bowl away from Brady, I get it.
There's a look, there's a tit for Tap for all
of this. You know what I mean, It just is
what it is. It's like, Yes, you know, the Atlanta

(33:18):
Super Bowl, Brady look terrible for three quarters and then
he put together the best quarter in overtime in history. Right,
it's sure. You so you can base you can judge
him off of the first three quarters, or you can
say they won the game. As far as we're concerned
in New England, we got six rings. Now you can argue,
I think the jury's out. Rob. I'm not gonna say.

(33:40):
I'm definitely not gonna say Brady fell off the cliff
and he's washed up. But I will say, we we
don't know for sure. You know, It's it's a funny thing.
It's a little conundrum because he definitely didn't look like
himself this year. There's no question that. Okay, and I
did not look like himself now. So I think for me,

(34:01):
as a Patriots fan, and as a Brady fan, and
as a Belichick fan, the whole nine, I would love
to see him come back. I would love to see
him have everything he needs around him to succeed, and
you know, and and give it one more goal. Now,
if if they get everything he needs and they don't
succeed and he doesn't look good, well there's the answer

(34:22):
to the question. But I don't think anybody in New
England is going to write him off based on this season,
with all the things that changed around the offense and
what they were dealing with. Now he was part of
the problem. I'm not gonna sid heer and say well,
they didn't have no receivers and blah blah blah because
some of those guys we've been winning with him. Thank
you with Edelman that said he could do that as

(34:44):
a younger guy. I don't think he knew that as
going on forty three. Here's the last thing, Donnie, I'll
bet you ten chicken wings and a large dye coke
that Tom Brady will wind up with the Chargers next
year and he he will not and ot be with
the pages. You want to bet take that bet? No,

(35:05):
I have no interest in betting that because that really
has nothing to do with what we're really talking about
is can the guy still play? So here's the thing,
the Chargers. I don't see how he goes to the
Chargers unless they're just gonna pack up phillip Rivers bags
and throw him in the trash. You know, a potential
Hall of Fame quarterback, you know, I don't know that

(35:25):
that's going to happen, So I don't take the Chargers
that seriously. I think the really only possible destinations for
him and I got one curveball, one curveball. But I
think the logical ones if he leaves, would be the Colts,
because you know, they got everything. They got a great D,
they got a great offensive line, they got weapons. You know,

(35:47):
he worked with Jacobe Precepte before, so if he stays,
you know, they have a relationship, maybe that works somehow.
The Bears probably gonna give up on their young quarterback.
They got a great D, they have a lot of potential.
I don't think he's gonna leave the Patriots for either
of those teams, though, just for money. He got money
because wife's the billionaire. Like, he don't need money. It's
not about money at this point, as far as I'm concerned,

(36:10):
it's the curveball. The curveballs is Harry Jones, Jerry. Why
didn't Erry Jones pay Dak? He's not paying Dak? Wait
wait wait, Gerry Jones with crazy enough, he would be
he would be crazy, not crazy crazy. Do you take
Brady over Dak? At this point, I'm not Jerry Jones.
I'm he shoulna win after Belichick, That's what he should

(36:32):
have done. If is it possible, I'm putting out the idiot,
Is it possible that if they can't they say, we're
not gonna pay Dak all this money, they try and
get a one or two year run with Brady. I
don't know. I'm the son of thing out of the base, Jane.
He's gonna play in a freaking soccer stadium. Stadium that
opened it up in Inglewood. Time. Man, we definitely you

(37:01):
guys when you come to La, come to the studio,
come on, give you an album. I'm coming to the
studio for sure, after you guys. All right, it's the
most unbiased ranking system in all the sports. You know,
I didn't write that Parker. It is his NFL Power
Rankings coming up next. I can tell you what they are, right, No,
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(37:23):
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It is time for Parkers Power Rankings. Do you need
the power? Well? Hearing Cower it's Parkers power rankings. Oh,

(37:50):
this is so easy. We're gonna get started. Number five
the Tennessee Titans. Did you see what they just did?
Went up to Watsboro one A big I was in
probably the weak New England team. No, no, no, no,
you said that. You they got a quarterback who's over
the hill, should be retired. How how's that giving me
your power? That was an unbelievable win on the roll,

(38:12):
Mike drop. Let's go. Number four the Minnesota Vikings, Chris's
home team. The uh uh now you're giving them to
the Saints. No, but that's your home team, Chris again,
bad gumbo. They lose at home? And you know what
what what I was a good I was? That was
a tremendous win. And you're gonna be leaving some good

(38:33):
teams and they exercise thal demons and the exercise good cousins. Yes,
number three, what am I missing? You're forgetting some good
team see no, no, no, it should be my power
rank he forgetting San Francisco and the San Francisco forty
nine ers. We already know that the number one seed
they're gonna play this weekend. I got them at number three,
Number two number two Green Bay Packers. They were eight

(38:57):
one against teams with winning records. They were um livable
during the regular season, and all the teams in the
playoffs have good records. Patrick Mahomes in Kansas, Yeah, they're six,
number one, number one. No, not Cleveland, It's the Baltimore Ravens,
and they've been on an unbelievable run. My power rankings
are the most unbiased in the history of the United States. Horrible.

(39:20):
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(40:01):
the NFL network. He'll join us in about twenty eight minutes,
so you definitely want to stay tuned for that. But
we gotta take a little hiatus. And I know that
my partner, he typically, you know, he only wants to
talk about sunshine and oh I don't petunias and roses

(40:23):
and chef Poky pigs girl from his name when it
comes to baseball. But something fun going on. We're not
talking about a foul ball. Baseball is pretty foul right now,
and I'm not happy about it, all right, So I'm
gonna let you I'm gonna let you vent. But to
give the news Boston reds now. Now, we know the

(40:46):
Houston Astros busted big time for when they won their championship, right,
and now the Boston Red Sox are reportedly cheated use
the video replay room to steal signs from opposing pictures
and catchers during their World Series run in twenty eighteen.

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So two of the last three World Series champions now
are accused of cheating in their championship seasons. This is big.
I mean, if can you imagine rob if it was
in the NFL or the NBA cheating straight champions right,

(41:33):
I get used of cheating. Now, I guess if you're
gonna go to the Patriots obviously right uh, their first
two titles, the Rams and the Carolina Panthers swore up
and down that they think the Patriots cheated. They couldn't
prove it everything they were doing, and you saw how

(41:55):
close the game was. But there the difference is, and
I'm not trying to poople it, but the difference is
it was not proven. And this is just a report
and the league and the Red Sox say they're going
to investigate it, so we'll get more information, I guess.
But it's ugly right now. It's a staying on America's past,
no doubt. And Chris, here's the thing. This isn't a

(42:19):
rogue guy or a picture or batter or somebody and
they're trying to steal some signs or at second base
and you look in you know what I mean, or
the catcher doesn't cover up his fingers. That that's that's
that's part of the game. When it's organizational and you're
using the facilities and you set up cameras like the
Astros reportedly did. And now this video replay is still signed.

(42:43):
That's above and beyond. That's what you're messing with the
integrity of the game. You know this, It's the hardest
thing to do is to hit a baseball. It by
knowing what's coming. It is you talk to most people.
I mean, I know that's the conventional whiz. I'm just saying,
if you talk the most athlete because you just don't
know what's coming. The family hard to hit a base

(43:03):
and the fact that if you hit it thirty three
percent of the time, you're awesome. No other sport is
that good that number, right, All you need to do
is get three hits out of ten at bats and
you're in the Hall of Fame. So you failed seven times.
But anyway, longest story is Chris, this has to stop.
And the commissioner, Rob Manford, this is where I want

(43:25):
to see, Chris. Here's this moment on the stage. You
remember when bugs Bud Ceeler got all big after the
fact of the steroid era and all that, and now
you wanted to punish people after the fact. Here it is,
you got proof, you got all the investigations going on.
How hard are you gonna come down on these organizations?

(43:46):
How hard? I'm gonna tell you how hard I would, Chris,
I would ban the general manager, I would ban the
team president. I would ban the manager, anybody in there,
out out of the league, out of the league. If
I have evidence, Chris, that you knew what was going
on and you were knowingly cheating by setting up cameras

(44:08):
and setting up stuff. Now p Rose was banned out
of the game. You know why because when you walk
in you cover baseball, Chris and Cleveland. When you walk
in any clubhouse in America, there's a big sign up
there talking about about gambling. Am I right? Right? The
biggest sign in the room is about to do not
gamble because you mess with the integrity of the sport.

(44:31):
And the same thing here. You can't have this, and
you can't have a commissioner who's gonna give them some
financial some some monetary. Fine, Chris, that's not good enough.
The teams got so much money, it's nothing. You think
I'm crazy. Well, let me ask you this because you,

(44:52):
if I recall correctly, you didn't go this far with
Belichick and the Patriots. No, Okay, this to me is
worth seriously, Chris, because uh, you're talking about when when
the Astros they're banging a garbage can they're blowing whistles.
I mean, the Yankees complained about it in the playoffs.

(45:13):
Nobody did anything. They didn't think it was anything to it.
But all I'm saying is this is like an organizational cheating,
like big time. And I'm not saying like when the
Patriots they got busted, I would have loved to have
seen the tapes. And that's what I always say. Roger
Goodell made a big mistake, and he even hurt the
Patriots because if we would have saw that tape for ourselves, Chris,
maybe the only reason they killed it was because it

(45:35):
was bad. Am I right? Otherwise otherwise you show it
to us. So they destroyed the tape so we never
got to see him. So we have no choice but
to believe that they were bad. And that's why uh
Belichick got fined the largest fine of any NFL coach ever.
And in this case, I don't think money is good enough, Chris.
There's not a big enough fine. I don't know that

(45:57):
some people want them to take the championships away. That see,
that's what that's where you are, I would say, And
I don't banning for life. That's the nuclear option, right Manager,
Team GM president, but I like that. Okay, so they're
banned for life, but I would take it one step further.

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You lose the championships because what you're doing it for
is to be able to say you won three titles,
you won one World Series title, whatever it is. And
if they take that away from you, take that away
from your record. I look, I understand it happens in
college when they take away you know, the championships, the

(46:41):
banners like Michigan, the five five, you know, they want
to wake them all down. Reggie Bush with his heisman,
we all look at them as champions are you know
Fat five didn't win it, but you know, we remember
their great run. We remember Reggie Bush and his great year.
We view him as you know, that type of player.
Here's the difference, though, there's a difference, and most people

(47:06):
don't take it away from the college athlete right when
they when they strip them of something an award, a championship,
they don't. We don't really say they took it away.
The reason is because ninety nine times out of a hundred,
what is the athlete uh critic not criticized? What is

(47:26):
the athlete reprimanded for punished for taking money? From a booster,
which let's be honest, kids, I'm not trying to justify it,
but we don't view that as bad as cheating in
the game's Reggie Bush the rules of the NCAA. But

(47:49):
gamet like that doesn't change that. Didn't make a good point,
Reggie Bush, run any differently, catch the ball, give a
dish of vantage to the other cheam because he took
a free pizza, took undred dollars or whatever. And so
that's why now in this the very reason we would
celebrate the Astros or the Red Sox, we can't celebrate

(48:13):
them for that anymore because you cheat it. Now we
don't know if you're the best, and I do think
it would be a serious taint and scarlet letter on
that franchise. You don't, I say, take away the championship.
You don't look at the Astros the same way, do you?
I mean no, I mean three one hundred win seasons, Chris.
They had an unbelievable team. You remember that, right, And
we were like, Okay, the Astros didn't run a great run,

(48:34):
had a great run, And now you look at them
and go, well, no one that they hit the heck
out of the ball. Or whatever. They they're coming up
clutch all the time the other but how they beat
the Yankees run? Might they might have known what was coming? No,
they may have. And here's the thing round, as much
as it tainted a little bit right now, what if

(48:54):
MLB came out it said we are stripping the Astros
of their championship. It's he raced from the record books.
It would put even more of a taint. And I
honestly wouldn't really think of them. It's hard to say
because we're not in that situation, but I feel right
now like I would not look at them as champion.
Here's the other part, and here's why I go after
the people who were involved, the authority figures, not the

(49:17):
players so much, because if you come if you come
to a player and say, dude, if we know what's coming, dude,
you're gonna take advantage of that, right right, Yeah, it's
on the decision maker exactly. The people who run, they
want to give it to you going back. No, I'm gonna,
I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna listen to you tell me.
Your teammates might even look at you like yo, we're

(49:37):
trying to win a championships. Why aren't you, Why aren't
you on board on this. We're trying to help and
and I think if you start banning the people in
charge when they do this illegal activity Chris and cheating,
and you tell somebody there banned from the game, like that,
stop it that that's like that sh that's your whole career,
your whole legacy is taincted. There's a lot more that

(50:00):
goes with it. People look at you totally different. Oh yeah,
that's that's Joe blow the general who used to be
the general manager of the astroll. Remember he got banned
from baseball. They cheated this, Joe Jackson. Pete rose to
some degree. I mean he's obviously rebounded incredibly well Alex Royriguez,
but you still think about that now, this stuff that

(50:20):
people will never let go of. Right, he never got
to the point of a Pete Rose. But but Pete
Rose for a lot of people, Chris who didn't grow
up watching them like we did. We saw Charlie, Charlie Hustle.
We saw him as a player. Most of the millennials
or whatever, they just know him as this old dude
who did something. What a great player he was, right

(50:41):
you're right, and I've said this for a long time.
Robe with the peeds, if you banned players, if you're
found out to have used peeds, you're out and your
contract is voided. Now, I know sometimes there are falsil

(51:02):
but if you're one hundred percent certain that this guy
used peds, if you said your band see it was,
I think it would cut it down. I mean probably
did not right, it probably would. But here's modern thing.
The only reason I pushed back on the way that
they did it. They didn't test everybody during that time.
So it's unfair like you didn't like like I'm just

(51:22):
saying every right, that's what I mean. If you tested everybody, Chris,
and you found eight or ten or twelve players, and
then you could do that. But back then, during the
steroid era, there were guys who were using it who
got away with it, and the only one that looked
at us Bonds and Sosa guys who had home runs.
But there were pictures. There were guys who were hitting
four home runs a year who were using the juice

(51:43):
too well. And what Joy can't say saying this is
eight percent of the last and I believe let me
tell you, I believe that the number was hired and
people want to believe. Okay, I agree with you, and
I'm gonna throw this at you. I believe that this
type of cheating we're talking about with the Astros and
the Red Sox, I think it's rampant. I think they're
not the only two teams. Come on, I mean, were

(52:07):
they at brazen. There was another report with the Blue Jays.
I remember a few years ago they thought they were
stealing side. So you might be right, they might be
the other. I think it is like steroids because you
think there are some here and there that don't do it.
But I think for the most part, people are doing it.
It's gonna be interesting. But so this is what we
want to find out because Chris is coming out. I

(52:28):
think his stance is tougher than mine, and we want
to hear what your opinion is and what you think
baseball should do. Chris says. I say that in addition
to Rob saying banned the general man, I'm saying and
entw the guys that knew, who are in charge of
the organization, you banned them, and may if sometimes they
may not know right, I'm saying it could just be

(52:50):
the manager. But yeah, but whoever manager, general manager, maybe
the team president and the owner doesn't really know. But
I'm talking about if these you could prove that the
president of the team, the general managing, the manager, day
all should bend lifetime band and then I would say,
I'll take away the championships. Okay, I would take I
think those are the types of things that stop this
from happening. Rob says, just get rid of the executives

(53:13):
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we threw it out to you. Major League Baseball, the
cheating rampant, rampant. Oh my goodness, two champions in the
last three years. What do you think should be done?
Eight seven, seven ninety nine. On Fox, Let's start with
Nieman and Montana. Nieman, you're on with the Eye couple. Hey,

(54:18):
what's up, guys? You know I love ending every single
one of my days with a good hearty. Oh yeah, yeah,
there you go with them every time I get in
my truck at five o'clock. I hear it. I love it, man,
I love it so um. My thing with this is
that I grew up at USC fans. When you were

(54:40):
talking earlier about the whole stripping Reggie Bush right, Heisman Trophy,
why not do what else they did to USC, which
is I think the NFL, the MLB, I mean, all
professional sports. If the team is caught cheating for the
next two years, banned them, not for life, but from
the playoffs. Banned them from the playoffs because if you
think about that all the repercussions and not only ticket

(55:02):
sales and team morale and people who want to play
for that team. But you think about usc is still
rebuilding from that because their recruiting went down like crazy.
So what do you guys think about just banning them
for two years from the playoffs, letting them play the
regular season, but then after the third year you can
get back into the playoffs. I don't think about that.
That's not bad because not the first instinct, Well, the

(55:23):
players wouldn't play hard, but no, you got to because
your contracts not guaranteed. I fail in the most cases,
and you're trying to either stay on this team or
impress somebody else, you know what I mean. They can
do it. Yeah, not bad, it would seems so gosh.
Can you another thing too? Remember I brought up that
thing about charging the like making the Astros charge fifty

(55:45):
percent for their tickets, like a give back to the
fans who felt like they got cheated. That way, you
keep the fans, you know what I mean, You still
keep them coming, but they don't make as much money. Yeah,
we make the prices, all right. John in Vegas, you're
on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up John?
Thank you Christian Rob. I'm here to say, like the
great no sure, dam is Ben Mallard, strip their title

(56:07):
and ban the management for life to show repercussions that
cheating is not allowed in baseball. Well, let's you know
what you're taking both about what you said you want
to strip and I said ban the management, So you're
taking both of our things. You're gonna throw the book
at these franchises if they found guilty. Look, John, I
think you're right when when the repercussions are that bad,

(56:30):
then people will not do what they may want to do.
It's the same thing with our judicial system. I mean,
some of the stuff that keeps people from committing crimes
and doing the wrong thing is what the threat of
having to go to jail? Right? And so if you
put that threat out there and they're strong enough, nah,
I'll say this. I know if I was in that

(56:53):
situation and I could risk losing everything, right, right, you
got to think about that. Why are you gonna do it?
I think people wouldn't do it it. Let's go to safe
I hope I said that's right? Safe in Los Angeles
or is it safe safe? Hey, what's up? What's up?
Sofie would have been fresh man. That's safe? Is good?
Safe a work? That is a cool name. All right,

(57:15):
what's up? Is your last name safe? Is your last
name sex? No? Is your name safe? Your first name safe? Safe? Sex? Yeah? Yeah,
but it's spelled s a if. Okay, we got you,
all right? What you got for us? All right? I
agree with both of you for once. Usually I'm just
a rob side. Yes, you got bok at the man.

(57:36):
I mean, the Dodgers got robbed two years of their
home by these cheaters, and it's just wrong. As a
Dodger fan. Oh no, I'm if I'm a Dodger fan,
the two World shoes a lost or the two with
these guys, I would feel bad about that. I feel
a little doubt, no doubt. No, that's that's the truth.
All right, Safe, Let's go to Ben in which you

(57:57):
tak Kansas been You're on with Christ and rob Okay. Listen,
baseball does not care about cheating. They never have. The
steroid era saved baseball because after the last strike, nobody
watched baseball until Sammy Sosa, Berry Bonds. All these guys
were hitting home runs. Yeah, but I distink to Ben

(58:19):
I disagree. We saw the greatest hitter all time, hits
leader King Pete Rose, get banned from the game, and
they didn't want to do that, but they knew for
integrity wise, they had no choice to throw the book
at Pete Rose. I'm gonna agree a little bit with
Ben No, Rob and I don't, and we both I
think agreed that what he did is even worse. No,

(58:39):
it is to me right point shaving or you know,
the equivalent betting on the game and you're a manager.
But I gotta be honest, I'm not sure baseball cares
that much as long as they don't get caught. I
don't think they care. I think they love the sterior there.

(59:00):
Oh no, I don't. I don't disagree with that. I
don't disagree with that, but I don't think that they're
they're into I don't think they want no certain teams
to have unfair advantage that. But I do think if
if let's say most of the teams are doing this,
I think baseball could easily be like, well, look, it's
all part of the game because we allow cheating technically,

(59:25):
it's just when you bring in the technology, right, all right,
Max and Georgia. You're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio. What's up, Max? What's what I gotta say
is regards to every sport, so football, baseball, I think
if you get caught, you should be a two year
band from playoff essential and then the second time, I
think you should start about revoking chips. I mean, if

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you're a team guy, you played for the guys next seat,
don't play for stats. That to me is the most
embarrassing thing to slash, the most uh health to the
fire type. So you're saying, all right, so so let's
say this, Max, So if you were in charge, the
Red Sox would get a two year ban from the playoffs,
and then if they did it again, you would take

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away to twenty eighteen championship. Yeah, I think you have to,
Like it's the most form of negative punishment. You got
to remove that certain stimulus, and that's the stimulus everybody
wants to win the title that we're going to do
whatever it takes to get to that point, and that's
the thing you gotta take away. Here's my one issue
with that. The further way you get from the championship,

(01:00:29):
the less it means to take it away. You agree
with that, right, Yeah, Like if I take away whether
the Reds win, it was seventy five, whatever it was,
if I take away if I take away those championships,
it doesn't mean as much. And all of us that
grew up and remember that they were still the championship.
If you take away the championship a year or two after,

(01:00:51):
it would be let's do Austin in Kentucky. You're on
with Chris and Robust. Y'all are the coat couple of goats.
Love the show. I like that. Thank you, Thanks Austin. Yea,
I think I would throw the book at him. I
would fan, uh, you know, the top guys, get them out. Um.

(01:01:14):
I rob had mentioned before something about like cutting ticket prices,
which I think is a good idea, not only, um,
you know, to help the fan out, but in my opinion,
baseball is something that's sort of going away from America's pastime.
So you get the kids come back and watching them
growing up and want to play. I think that's beneficial too. Um,
you would get more kids in if they have price
on everything. I agree with you there, yeah, absolutely, And

(01:01:38):
I like the idea of taking away the championship, except
for the fact that it's not every single player's fault.
So you get guys that truly were just in a
right situation from a championship perspective. But uh, you know
that only takes a few players, really only one. But
you know, I got five of your guys were doing it,
and I think in these situations most players knew. Yeah,

(01:02:00):
this organization, all right, this is Austin. When they set
up a camera and they're banging garbage came just blowing whistles.
What is that exactly? Keep hearing these garbage cans exactly
so you kind of know what's going on. Unless now
we forgot to announce this Rob it's a trash Talking Tuesday.
You'll be able to call in in the next hour.

(01:02:21):
About an hour from now, you can call us up
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It's trash talking Tuesday. All right. Former NFL general manager
our buddy Charlie Castley says, one team must just how
I'm sorry. One team just hired the next John Harbaugh. Wow,

(01:02:45):
I bet that's the Giants. In his view, he'll tell
us all about it next. But first, Ralph Irwin. In Ralph,
what's up, brother, I said, Irvin, No, you didn't you
miss you misheard? You said, Now you know how Roger
Clemens Rod Parker misheard as Rob park would say, check

(01:03:06):
the tay, check Etsy, rob z Roady wrong on the
Oh there it is. I know it's Ralph Irvin. Well.
There are games going on right now in the NBA.
Cleveland up seventy six seventy over Detroit five fifty eight
to play in the third quarter of that matchup. Already

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five cavaliers and double figures in this game. Meanwhile, Toronto
is sixty eight fifty seven advantage over Portland six fifty
eight to play in the third quarter. There ser Jibaka's fifteen,
Kyle Lowry seventeen. As Toronto is just plowing along like
the defending champions, I guess considering how many guys are
missing from their lineup. Oklahoma City forty four to forty two.

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They lead to Brooklyn two fifty to play in the
first half of that game. Shake Gilgas, Alexander, He's leading
the way with twelve points in Minnesota twenty two twenty
lead over Memphis two forty five to play in the
first quarter college basketball. Lots of ranked games going on
right now, including number twelve Ohio State or number twelve

(01:04:11):
Maryland hosting number eleven Ohio State, and the Terrapins with
a forty three thirty four lead eleven forty three to
play in the second half. Number thirteen Louisville fifty three
forty eight they lead Miami sixteen forty four to play
in the second half, and Boston College of forty four
thirty nine lead over number eighteen Virginia ten eleven to
play in the second half. There, of course, lots of

(01:04:32):
NFL coaching news coming up. We'll talk about that in
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four seven Auto. The only hard part is figuring out
which way is easier. We can get into this with
Charlie castlely, Rob, but what do you uh at this point?
Do you have any feeling on which way the Browns
should go with their head coaching a higher black guy? No,
just you are kidding, right, I'm gonna say this, and

(01:05:44):
this will and this was this will kill two birds
with one stone. I guess I think Eric be into me,
not because he's black, because he's qualified, the guy with
the answers. He's the former NFL general manager, NFL network analysts.
One of our favorite guest on the Eye Couple, Charlie
cast Charlie. What's happening man, Hey, good evening, guys. How

(01:06:04):
you doing? Yes, Charlie, I want to get right to
to you know, we got a few new coaches hired today.
We'll get to that. There's one more job open. But
the biggest thing in the elephant in the room is that, uh,
some African American coaches are feeling like they're left out.
You know, like the only time that they get invited
to the party is to be a dog and pony shoulder,

(01:06:26):
to check the box to say that they interview the
minority for the Rooney rule. Is there a problem in
the NFL with African Americans getting equal opportunity to head
coaching jobs? Is there a problem here? Well, I don't
think there's a problem with equal opportunity getting interviews. I
think you have to understand the owners do the hiring,
and those are really the only people that can answer

(01:06:48):
the question. Otherwords, only the Giants can answer, and Carolina
can answer, you know, why they chose the coaches or
you know, in Jerry Jones case, he wanted to an
experienced coach, so he interviewed Marvin Lewis and then you
know he went with McCarthy. So you kind of see
what his pattern was right there. But I think the

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owners have to just you know, explain, I guess not explain,
but because they own the team, they can do what
they want. Yeah, but they the only ones that can
answer the question as I hear, I hear they can
do what they want. Obviously they had to put a
rule in place. If they can do whatever they want,
they never had to do the rule. Why they put
the rule in place? If they do what they want, Well,

(01:07:31):
let me say this, there's nothing wrong with the qualifications
of Matt Rule or Mike McCarthy or Joe Judge. Joe Judge,
you're looking for a younger guy on his way up.
Rule has proven he could win in college in two
places it's hard to win. Plus he was in the NFL.
And McCarthy when he wants to show his credentials, he
takes out his Super Bowl rings. So it's not like

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McCarthy a Rule weren't qualified or weren't going to get
a job. In the case of Judge, he's a bright
young guy. I think he's got a lot of a potential,
and you know how and I think Eric Bmon he
has a lot of potential too. Robert Salo has a
lot of potential. M But you know, the giants felt
this was the best person for the choice. Now you, Charlie,
you're especially high on Judge from what I'm being told,

(01:08:15):
talk to us about why you like him somewhere and
you you think he could be another John Johnie, you
understand this is not Aaron Judge, right, No, I know. Well,
you know what if we need a home run to
win a game and the extra innings, I'll see if
there yes, all right? Excuse me? Uh yeah, I think

(01:08:36):
I draw the parallel to Harball. Now I'm thinking of
what was John Harball when he got hired in Baltimore. Um, certainly,
he was a career coach because of his dad. So
we grew up in coaching. And that's an advantage that's tremendous.
Belichick had that advantage too, but they both took advantage
of it. Okay, So, but John had been a good
special teams coach. He went to coach DB's just to
get out of the mold of special teams because he

(01:08:58):
wasn't get anywhere as a special teams coach. So he
came to Baltimore, hired a good staff, was able to
lead the room, how to adjust through some difficult personalities,
but he find a way to brought him, bring him together.
And he's had a knack for hiring good coaches. So,
and that's what you have to do as a head coach,
and I think Judge, I think he's going to show
that he can hire good coaches. He's a leader, he's

(01:09:20):
a communicator. I think he has been groomed by Belichick,
and I think that he will coach with his personality
and not try to be Bill Belichick, which has been
a mistake of many people. Is that what a lot
of Belichick's disciples have done, because obviously they haven't had
great success. No, they haven't had great success, but I
think they try to emulate too many things about Bill

(01:09:42):
which aren't applicable to other organizations. And although it's total control,
not dealing with the press in a positive communicative way, right,
you know, those things don't fly in many places, especially
when you're trying to rebuild a program. So I don't
I don't think uh Joe will be like that. I

(01:10:04):
think he'll be different. But you want to take the
positives of the Belichick program and work from there. Charlie
tom Brady, you know, uh, not a great performance obviously
in their loss to the Titans at Foxborough. I think
he should retire. He reminded me of Willie Mays in
nineteen seventy three, running around missing flyballs in left field.

(01:10:27):
I think Tom Brady's done at forty two years old,
going on forty three? Am I crazy? Uh No, I
don't think he's as bad as Willie Mays. Remember you
remember though, that it was the greatest set of field
wherever he's missing fly balls. I know, and you know
he played one year too long, and you don't want

(01:10:47):
you don't want Brady to do that. In fairness to Brady,
he wasn't playing with much as far the receiver position.
I mean, Edelman was the best player. He was good,
but he was hurt at the end. You know, he
had no tight end, really, no deep threat, didn't have
anybody that can consistently get separations, so defenses could just
sit there and take away their weapons so awefully. Awfully

(01:11:08):
is difficult to succeed in that situation. He looked special
out there at times. Now he didn't look as good.
I'm with you. I'd walk away now and then try
to go one more year. I see. I feel like
if they brought in some talent at the receiver position,
you know, he can't carry the average guys that he's
carried for most of his career, but with the offensive
line should be healthy. I think it would be better.

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I think they could be pretty good next year if
they brought back Brady and made those upgrades. Charlie, Well,
you just don't know. He's at that point where he's
on the edge and it may go, it may not go.
I'd rather quit a year ahead of time. But I
can't disagree with you that what you're saying could happen.
I mean, it's like Aaron Rodgers. He took a dip

(01:11:52):
this year. He took a dip this year. You see
the greatness every now and then, but you don't see
the consistency. So where is Aaron Rodgers to be next year?
Do you think that dip is? I think there's some
school of thought with Rodgers that he's just playing in
the system, doing what they asking him to do. But
do you think it's more than that? And he's just,
at least the last two years, not the same guy

(01:12:15):
he's been for most of his career. You know, to me,
this year he's missing some throws that you know, God
he made in the past. Uh, And so I don't
think it's the system now. Every now and then he'll
make a rare throw that he could always make. You
see the consistency of the classes he should complete. Not quite,
not quite what it's been. I don't think anything to

(01:12:35):
do with the system. What I want to get back
to the coaching, Charlie, the Browns. That's the that's the
last job, last job. What do you think there's a
like if you were in charges there one guy you
think his head and shoulders above everybody else that they
should definitely hire. Yeah, but I'm not going to tell
you who it is, okay, on what I would do there?

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So is it a college coach? I'm not. It's not
a college coach. Okay, okay, But what what? How should
they go? What do you think they should do? Or
you know, like this process who were some of the
top candidates there should be like that. You got Josh
McDaniels out there, and I think I like being to
me personally there and then let me let me say

(01:13:18):
this too before you answered, Charlie that Josh McDaniels. This
is the problem I have with Josh is he got
fired in Denver for a UH videotape and the other
teams walked through in London. UH, they weren't happy about that.
He was fired there and then he drafted Tim Tebow,
which he moved up. That was a mistake. And the
other one was, uh, he shook the guy's hand in

(01:13:41):
Indianapolis that he was gonna take the job, and he
left him at the altar. Uh, how come that doesn't
work against him and people still look at him as
a as a head coaching uh candidate? Those are those
are two bad things to me? Well, he hadn't been
higher see, and I don't know he'll be hard in Cleveland.
So you could say that people are holding out against him,

(01:14:03):
and that's why he hasn't been hired. So he didn't
really get much concerious consideration a year ago, coming on
the eve of the Indianapolis thing, and obviously he didn't
get the job. And Carolina, I think they didn't even
interview him, as I'm right if I've got that consequence, right, Okay,
So I don't know what. I don't know that he's
getting the same because I don't know if he's getting

(01:14:25):
the consideration that the publicity says he is getting. Okay,
that would be the way I would look at it.
But those are two badge strikes against him, aren't they? No? Well, yeah,
I mean, now he has a different viewpoint on or.
The story that he's told is that he had never
met the owner, and after he met the owner, he
decided not to take the job. I get that, but

(01:14:49):
don't don't commit to it. If you haven't, why would
you command that he's signing your checks. I want to
meet the balls. Don't you know that that's a fair statement?
You tell him up front there. I like everything about
your Chris Barrol. I like where you're going. Um, but
I gotta sit down across from the owner and make
sure that we're all together. Run this thing, all right, Charlie,
grow that way, man, We appreciate it. Happy a year yep.

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Sounds like the XFL is prepared to give the NFL
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XFL starting up this year this summer, right this offseason.
And h there's some rules they that changes or different
rules from the NFL, and rob g one in particular,
UH that you want to read and tell us about
is on the Uh which one was it? Well, they

(01:16:15):
have nine rules that are getting a lot of attention.
One in particular that's really got people on Twitter buzzing.
They have new overtime rules. Now you know the NFL
they switched there's a few years back that said you
could not win on the first possession field goal because
they wanted both teams to have a chance to win.
I never understood that, right, And I'm gonna tell you why,
because you can score a touchdown on a pick as

(01:16:35):
a defense. Right, So I know I would like them.
I never understood. I don't like the NFL's new rule.
I would like them just to play a quarter. Okay,
a quarter. Well, I think the l has something that
might get your ears perked up a little bit. They're
introducing a shootout style over time where each team will
get five single play possessions from the five yard line

(01:16:59):
way wherever lower is the most touchdowns from the five
yard line out of five wins. You just lost me.
So I get what you're saying. Here's my don't we
invent the wheels the football game? Don't we invent the one?
All right? It should not be decided with some gimmick.
That's like, if we go to overtime in the NBA,
we're gonna turn it into a three or whoever paying extra.

(01:17:23):
In baseball, it's a home run hitting contest. I hate
the college overtime rule. Give me a quarter play football,
that's it. I don't need the gimmicks. I don't need
a free throw shooting contest. Each team sends out their
best free throw shooter, and whoever it's the most out
of ten wins. No. So, so you mean to tell

(01:17:47):
me if we did that and the Pelicans were playing
and it was overtime and they put Lonzo Ball out there,
they probably would never win a game. Well, I think
you guys are missing the point. That were really funny.
I don't really that wasn't funny at all. But go ahead,
Kawhi like that went. But Melvin didn't even you know what,
They will vote out of the rule. That's why they

(01:18:08):
didn't hear it. But here's the thing though, Now I think, Chris,
I think you got to write a little bit. The
full quarter is a good idea. It's just a lot
that's a lot of action making a ten minute don't
they make it ten minutes? Anyway? I think it's a
full quarter, isn't it. I believe it's a full quarter,
but making a ten minute quarter, and heck, if the
first team with the possession can go eight minutes, then
more power to well. Here is where I think that

(01:18:29):
the XFL got it right. With the NFL. It's built
around the quarterback. The entire rule changes the way the
game is marketed. Now you want to see scoring. You
want to see Drew Brees versus Aaron Rodgers. You want
to see Tom Brady versus Pat Mahomes, and you want
to see these guys duel it out for the entirety
of the game. So if you get to overtime and
it comes down to like last week, Kirk Cousins goes

(01:18:51):
right down the field and scores, so Drew Brees never
gets a chance to give it, I agree with you there.
I don't like. That's where I think the XFL is
getting it right because they're saying, Hey, we want our
two star guys, whoever they may be on each team
to get a chance to win it for that. But
a pick six I've seen that. Oh no, of course

(01:19:15):
after if somebody's gonna throw an interception. But Rob, I
get what you're saying, and I agree. That's why I
say play a full quarter. But I just don't like
the gimmick part of it. You know, but is that
better than what the NFL currently has. I don't say gimmicks,
I'm saying I hate college football because no longer a

(01:19:37):
game is the NFL. Is that a gimmick where only
one team gets the ball and overtime? I agree, I
don't like that. I say play That's why I say
play a full quarter, or make it a twelve minute quarter,
and you play that so if I score on my
first possession, we still got seven eight minutes left whatever
it is for you to come down and score, and
we keep playing the full quarter. More. I don't think

(01:19:58):
both teams have to have the ball off offensively, because
you can score on defense. Is different, yeah, but it's different. Yeah,
but but you still can. But you can get the
ball turnover. I'm just saying you can get the ball.
I see, I don't. I don't think you have to
because the coin flip does make a huge difference. It's
like fifty fifty, isn't it If you look at you
a shot it give it gives you an advantage if

(01:20:19):
you get the ball where it was than you do
of making a pick six. If my quarterback is Tom Brady,
I might not be able to still muster up a draw.
Even Craig Melvin is yawning, yawning. I'm clock at him, yawning,
Craig Melbourne, Wake up in there. He made Michael Jordan
look like Eddie Murphy. He's yawning at your jokes. I

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been doing such a good job this week. What day
is it? Tuesday? Okay, I'm with you, I'm with you,
all right, But we're going to have a guest on
at the top of this hour. Be an interesting interview.
We've been talking about the Rooney rule and how you
know whether or not you think that something's strange is

(01:22:06):
happening with the NFL not giving these African American coaches
a legitimate chance or not hiring them. The fact is
a lot of African American coaches in the league believe that.
So it is a factor because yes, they believe it.
So we brought in Robert Clemco from The Washington Post

(01:22:26):
to talk about it. You can follow him on Twitter
at at Robert Clemco, k L E m Ko. We're
pleased to have him here on the Eye A couple
Roberts the show. Thanks guys, I appreciate it now. Great
to have you on and you you heard me. Um.
It seems like a lot of African American coaches around
the league are really discouraged by what they see happening

(01:22:49):
in these hirings and them not really in their views,
them getting a legitimate chance. I think this year was
especially tough because, unlike previous years, there was one annidate
who everyone thought, Okay, it's finally his turn. This is
the guy. This is the African American coach who is
definitely going to be hired this year. That was the
Eric the enemy. Often years passed there, it's been a

(01:23:11):
little more hazy. There's been a few guys in the mix,
but this was the guy. I mean, the pattern. It
should be very clear Andy Reid disciple. You know, you
look at the success Doug Peterson and Matt Nangie have
had coming out of that system, not calling plays, but
having an understanding of Vandy Reid's offense, and you think,
all right, this guy has paid his dues. Players talk

(01:23:34):
about him glowingly. Andy Reid talks about him glowingly. It's
his turn. And then instead the Patriots special teams coach
gets hired, and you know, a college coach who has
one high profile, strong season in college get hired. And
I think a lot of the African American assistants around
the league look at that and say, well, there's no hope.

(01:23:56):
If Eric the Enemy can't get a job after what
he's been able to accomp push in Kansas City, then
what am I looking at? Here's the problem I have.
I think that they should just scrap the whole Rooney rule.
I think it's a bad thing. It's turned into a
dog and pony show for black coaches to come to town,

(01:24:17):
have a free meal and be paraded by to let
people say, well, we check the box, we talk to them,
even though these teams have already picked their guys and uh,
just going through the motions to satisfy the league so
they don't get fined. I mean, what really is the
purpose of it? It was. I never was in favor
of it because I thought it was insulting that you

(01:24:39):
had to force people to interview black people who play
the game, who know the game, will coach the game,
but but couldn't get jobs as hed coach. Where are
you on the Rooney rule? Is it still in play?
Do we still need it? Or has it turned into
an embarrassment? You know, I'm I'm kind of fifty fifty
on the Rooney Rule. I think that it has been
a positive for a lot of black assistants who are

(01:25:00):
able to get on the radar of general managers and
meet people that they wouldn't have otherwise and further their
careers in ways that aren't immediately apparent, but obviously in
terms of its intention, which was, you know, fixing the
head coaching problem, the lack of diversity and head coaching,
it hasn't been able to do that. You know. I
look at the successful models and they're on a really

(01:25:23):
small scale in the NFL, and I think the biggest
one is Bruce arians and what he's been able to
do in bringing informer players like Byron Leftwich and elevating
existing black assistants like Harold Goodwin and bringing along those
guys careers. Because I think he's created a small generation
of future black head coaches. I mean, I think the

(01:25:45):
best thing the league could do is pray for Bruce
arians to retire so that they can immediately hire him
to try to convince some of these players to become
assistant coaches and get in that pipeline. I mean, we
always talk about their being seventy percent players. It's not
that many NFL players that actually get into coaching. The
majority of these guys who are coaches are you know,

(01:26:07):
failed college players, guys that never sniffed the NFL that
just couldn't give up that itch. I mean, it's two
very different groups of people. Yeah, but I hear that.
But there are some guys who put in the time
and the energy and they can't get an opportunity. And
then a guy who's never been a coach on any
level winds up jumping up and getting a job. And
I think that's where they feel like I played in

(01:26:29):
the league, you know what I mean. I've been in
a coordinator and I put in my time, and this
young hotshot, anybody who had a cup of coffee in
a sweet role with Sean McVay got a head job,
head coaching job. I mean Kingsbury failed at Texas Tech,
was fired and he got and they handed him a
job in the NFL. It's that stuffed him a job.

(01:26:51):
And then the offensive coordinator that turned his failed project
and Patrick Mahomes into an NFL MVP, can't get a job, right,
That's what I'm saying. Those are the ones that they
just you know it. I don't blame coaches for not
believing in the system. I'm with you, Robert, though I
don't think, as with all of it's at times in effectiveness,

(01:27:12):
I do think the Rooney rule is better than nothing.
It certainly hasn't accomplished what we hoped, but I do
think it's better than just having nothing. And we got
three NFL black head coaches, which is not enough, but
it's better than none or one. We're joined by Robert
Klemco from the Washington Post. Now, you had a quote today,
a tweet today where you said you had talked to

(01:27:33):
an agent, a coaching agent, and he said that you're
gonna see a small exodus of black assistant coaches in
the NFL. Go to college. Now it's talked to me
about that because college hasn't actually been you know, a
better roses for black head coaches either. No, but I
think a lot of those guys and the people that

(01:27:54):
you were talking to, some of his clients, were feeling like,
you know, maybe I'm never gonna get to be a
head coach in the NFL, So a mother to find
the place with more job security. It's somewhere like my
alma mater, or playing for somebody that I played for,
or coaching for somebody that I played for in college.
Have a little more job security, Get on the road,
coach kids, and just have more fun as opposed to

(01:28:17):
being on this very political grind that seems to have
a glass ceiling for people that look like me. Okay, okay, um.
You've obviously talked to some African American coaches and people
within the league. Have you talked to any white executives
and people like that, and what are they saying. Do
they share the same sentiment as the black coaches or
is it a lot different? You know, the white executives

(01:28:41):
that talk to me are the ones that agree with me.
But you know, I think that I think the counter
argument that a lot of people make is, you know,
they say, these NFL teams are just picking the best
people for the job, and if they happen to be
black or white, then then it doesn't matter. And I
just think it's such a narrow way to look at it.
I mean, if the vast majority of your head coaches

(01:29:03):
are white, in the vast majority of your people are
you are interviewing, are white, and yet there is a
good amount of diversity among the assistants, among the you know,
people in the pipeline, then you're you. You have to
be overlooking people in order to get this result. And
I think the only way around it is to continue
to fill up the pipeline with African American coaches, continue

(01:29:26):
to convince, you know, the really smart guys in this
league that are playing right now that the way to
stay close to the game and have the biggest impact
is to be a coach. And I really have to
give a lot of kudo us whenever I talk about
this issue to Bruce arians what he did in Arizona,
what he did in Tampa. I really think that's the model. Yeah,
I still think it comes down to the players. As

(01:29:48):
long as they accept what goes on and that uh,
you know, racism or whatever you want to say, that
they allow the owners to do what they've been doing.
As long this they don't put up a stink, then
they won't start, you know, they won't. They won't change,
And the players have all the power. We saw it

(01:30:09):
at Missouri when there was racial stuff going on on campus,
and the players who weren't getting paid, who were on
scholarship or whatever, they told the football program, we're not playing,
we're not practicing, we're not doing anything until it's gets solved.
And in three days or a week they got the
chancellor and school president to resign. And all I'm telling

(01:30:30):
you is, if you don't go to just like they
did down in Jacksonville with Coughlin, what they say, the
union put out a thing, do not Why be careful
about going to work down there as long as Conflin's
there because he's unfairly uh, finding people and doing stuff.
And then all of a sudden, what do the owner do?
They put him out? And if you go to the

(01:30:52):
ownership that will not give minorities opportunities. And as a
free agent, I say, I don't want to play at
in Seattle or whatever city it is because ownership doesn't
allow minorities opportunities. I bet you it would change. That's
the only way it would change. But the big problem
with the NFL, and I agree with you if the

(01:31:13):
players sucum stand that with two things. But the big
problem with the NFL it's how transient the league is
and how anonymous the players are. This isn't the NBA,
where you have a lower injury rate. You have higher
paid players who are more celebrities in their own right
than the average NFL player. But Robert is two years Robert.
But let me ask you this. If all the player
black players in the league to seventy percent said we

(01:31:35):
won't play another degree, no, but I'm saying, why no,
But I'm trying to give it, but I'm trying to
do it. I'm trying to give you the point though,
if if if all the seventy percent of the black
players said we won't play another game or down until
uh Colin kaepern that gets an opportunity in the league,
how long would the ownership not go with playing games

(01:31:55):
or would they give them a job. It's a great idea,
but the union came even get these guys to save
enough money to survive a lockout in a bargaining year,
how are they going to get them all to agree
on ideological terms. I agree the sort of thing. I
get that, but I'm saying they do have power. They
have to put together and be together in order to
make it happen. I agree with you, and that's why

(01:32:17):
they That's why they lose all the time in negotiating
of the cbas because they are together. They don't put
them money together. That's why baseball players have a better contract.
It's simple, all right. Robert Kleimco from the Washington Post.
Great job, Thank you, keep up the great work. We
thank you for joining us. Thank you guys. Yep, we
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(01:33:03):
for the Washington Post, and he talked about the Rooney
rule and how a lot of people throughout the league,
particularly African Americans, think that it's just not working out. Well,
it hardened right now, I'm hardened, discouraged all that. I mean,
you just see all these jobs open up, and then
you know people are getting hired and people of color

(01:33:25):
and African Americans aren't getting opportunities. The interesting thing is,
remember a year ago, and Rob g correct me if
I'm wrong, you were hearing that the reason more African
Americans weren't getting hired or even strongly considered for some
of these coaching jobs was because many of them were
on the defensive side of the ball. Remember that that coordinators. Yeah,

(01:33:48):
it's such an offensive shots unfortunate because it was all
about being to me, is the offensive coordinator for one
of the great this offense is in recent memory, and
as Robert Klimko said, he has helped turn the quarterback

(01:34:11):
that Kurt Kingsbury failed with at Texas Tech. Cliff, I'm
sorry Cliff Kingsbury failed with at Texas Tech, turning him
into a superstar. It's just mind bother and he's not
like I think. And that was because that was because
of Sean McVay connection. That's why he got so all

(01:34:31):
these guys who knew Sean McVay because he was the
new hotness in the league. They started to hire in
these guys. I don't want Eric being to me to
get hired because he's black. And I'm sure he doesn't
want to get hired because he's black, but he is qualified.
And the Cleveland Browns, you got a young quarterback that
you think can do something because you got great receivers.

(01:34:52):
He should be darned near to the top of that list,
if not at the very top. But I hear you
and I you know the whole notion that, uh, you
don't want them to be hired because he's black. I
hate to tell you, but I think white guys get
hired because they're white. I get that, but I know
I don't think anybody I don't want to be hired.
We just need a black guy. I understand that. But
I'm just white guys get hired all the time because

(01:35:14):
they're white, because they know people, because the owner field
was more comfortable with him, he could take them to
the country club. It happens. It just does not just
in NFL, right, and not just in professional sports. You're
talking about journalism and the blacks all over the place, radio, television.
It happens all over them I'm just saying, you know,
but you made a point about the players, and uh,

(01:35:39):
if they would stand up, and I agree one I've
said that for years. If the NFL players, let's take
Calin Kaepernick for example, if they said, you know what,
we're all kneeling during the anthem until Kaepernick's on the team,
he clearly is qualified. He's clearly what you're doing, we're
not going to accept. Right, what you're doing is either

(01:36:01):
we're kneeling or we're not playing down he would have
been in the league. Yes, how long would that have
taken the same way that the NBA players got it
done with Donald Sterling when they told Silver that they
weren't going to play a playoff game. We're going to
play though. But I'm just saying, but they talked about
not playing. But you're right. The bottom line is they

(01:36:24):
got it, but they have a progress. Adam Silver, I
gotta give him credit on that. He was more progressive.
But I'm just saying, but the threat of it, the
idea of it, knowing that some of the better, better players, uh,
the big time players were not happy with what was
going on when on the tape, right, But you see
what I'm saying, and we keep bringing up the Missouri

(01:36:44):
football team, and I think there's there's power and power
in numbers. But also, Chris, there's a sacrifice sometimes. I mean,
I don't things don't get things don't all the all
the progress that black people have made his country, there's
a trail of people, Chris, that got trampled over, that

(01:37:05):
got this place, that got beat up, that got heared on,
right as African Americans, our ancestors bled and got killed
so we could vote yes, go to school. You don't
see the video when they tell them nothing that don't
don't don't don't congregate or beat up, or don't go
to the lug. You can't eat at the wold worst counter.
They win every day and had dogs on them Chris,

(01:37:28):
and water holes, spin on their food everything. They still
win every day. That's what I'm one of my heroes.
He said, power concedes nothing without a demand. It never
did and it never will. That's it. So power doesn't
one day say, oh, what are we doing? Man? Well,

(01:37:50):
I can't believe we haven't hired any black What do
we Oh, I'm sorry, here we go. We'll make this
system fan. We'll just hire the best problem no. And
here's the thing, Rob, because I'm sure there are some
people out there. We had h one of our people
that I can't remember who it was, we were interviewing,
and he brought up, who's the coach that failed in Denver?

(01:38:11):
Van Jones? Yeah, Vans Joseph Van Joseph. Right, he was
only what was here two years? And one of the
callers or someone what a caller brought that up as
a stigma on African Americans, and um, it's it, it's
that's well, Steve, Steve Wilks, he got one year. Yeah,

(01:38:34):
but look at how many are successful too. Yeah. But
but and my thing was Rod Marronelli went Owen sixteen
in Detroit? Right, right? Does that mean I'm not gonna
hire another white coach because Rod Marronelli went Owen sixteen?
Come on, man, that's that they That doesn't STI that
doesn't stigma. That's not a stigma against all white coaches
because white coaches have a bad years or they don't

(01:38:57):
don't do well. And here's the thing, in you're you're
totally right because we can bring up so many success
men African American coaches as well. But here's the thing,
for those that may think that way, well, look at
Steve Wilkes, look at Vans, Joseph and so on and
so forth. That stigma has been on African Americans. And

(01:39:18):
when let's just talk about sports for over a hundred years,
at the turn of the twentieth century, they were saying
this sounds ridiculous. And nowadays, but they say that African
Americans couldn't be good athletes. They couldn't handle pressure, right,
they couldn't you know, they couldn't understand strategy. Imagine that

(01:39:40):
Americans could not be good athletes. That's ridiculous nowadays. And
you just brought up quarterback. We're just we're just coming
out of the prejudice against black quarterbacks. There used to
be a time when there were no black centers who
hiped the ball to the I mean, Chris, you could go,
that's coming out of the in fifteen twenty years. It's

(01:40:02):
going to be ridiculous to think there was a time
where Blacks weren't given a chance to play quarterback. Amazing,
And the same thing when we talk about where we've
come from nineteen forty seven and Jackie Robinson to look
at the record books, Chris from nineteen forty seven, Reverend
played the whole hundred and fifty years, you know what

(01:40:22):
I mean, from nineteen forty seven, look at the record books. Right.
So the stigma, that's just another excuse, that's all it is.
There's there should be no stigma. Blacks don't have to
prove anything that white shouldn't have to prove, you know,
I mean we mentioned Ozzie Newsom, great general manager. You know,
you got coaches, Tony Dungee and Jim Carlwell, several others

(01:40:46):
who've done great jobs. Lovey Smith, right, you got now
you got quarterbacks, like so one of the people in Chicago,
would you want Lovey Smith back? Now? You might? You might?
You might so Era. That's why a lot of African
American coaches and executives in the NFL are wondering what

(01:41:08):
in the world. They're not wondering, they just know what
in the world is going on. So it'll be interesting
to see what Cleveland does. They really will and uh, John,
do you think Josh McDaniels, Oh, that would be that
would be the ultimate, That would be the ultimate. And
look here's the thing too, this is really this is
nothing against some of these white coaches that are being hired.

(01:41:32):
I have no idea if Joe Judge is gonna be
the next Bill Belichick or the next Adam Gaze. Just
give me. He might be great, he might be horrible.
I'm just waiting for the black guy with the Joe
Judge resume, who wasn't the coordinator gets a job when
when they see somebody who's a special cheams coach draft
that's all I'm well, give me that. You told us

(01:41:54):
go ahead to do this. Dude, you gotta be coordinators.
You gotta be gotta be a scout, you gotta work
your way up, you gotta get a resume. All right,
you're a coordinator. And now Joe Judge is a special
special team and again good coach Sean McVay. But young,
young kid, you know. So it's it's again, nothing against

(01:42:18):
Joe Judge. I think that Matt rule hires a good
one and we're gonna get into that next. But it's
just a matter of the fairness of it and the opportunity.
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But first, a little little news, a little tangent here,
Rob from the NBA Carmelo Anthony first ballot Hall of
Famer in your estimation, you don't think he's first ballot.
I didn't say that. I'm just asking you what you're
not speaking as a show that. I'm just saying, what
is it? I don't know, I don't know what the

(01:43:42):
criteria is for the pro basketball, for the Basketball Hall
of Fame. Stop it. He's gonna get in because he
was a great college player for one year. You don't
think it was good enough as a pro And I'm
just saying yeah, because of all the medals and college
is he better than Harold Baines the equivalent of Harold
for hall bands? And he didn't get into the right

(01:44:03):
of fame because you woo poo, you want to sit
here and turn this into don't just keep going against
the NBA, the basketball and ANBA Hall of Fame. There's
no way I'm to turn it into. You don't even
know what, Chris, do you know vote for it? Yeah? Who?
Hall of famers and other people you don't even know

(01:44:24):
who vote? How many voters are there, Chris, I don't
know how. Okay, I'm just butt got to do with
anything because nobody knows what the procedure is. That a
lot of stuff you talk about. I don't know that
that is he a Hall of Famer? I said yes
because of his Olympics in college. Yes, he didn't do
enough in the NBA to you, averaging twenty seven twenty

(01:44:47):
eight points a game. One playoff teams isn't enough. I
thought he's a better college than international player. Well, you
know he played. I don't even know how you compare.
They played one year college. He was phenomenal. You want
a championship he was no but that one it was
pretty damn good. And they don't even compare the international.
They win it by forty. It doesn't matter. He won

(01:45:08):
gold medal, don't They don't count meal, I mean they count.
But I could have. I could have replaced Melo. I'm serious.
I would have sat on the bench. Who argument because
he hit a game winner? You trying to poop? You're
just mad? Why they were down? Game down? They were tied.
That the game winner, it won the game. That play

(01:45:33):
to win the game. That ain't pressure shot. That in
a real game win. I didn't say it was a
pressure shot. It's a game winner. You know when you
take the game winner, is it a game winner? Yes,
you know when it's not a clutch shot. That's what
I mean to win the game. Thank you, herman, Rob,
Why are you? This man is thirty five years old,

(01:45:55):
thirty five, thirty six whatever he is? And he dropped
twenty eight points nice in Toronto, another country against the
raptors and hit the game when they're where from. Of course,
the mid range, bring it back, mellow mid range. I
just had to give him some love. Look at you.

(01:46:16):
I wish you should have wore your boat had today.
Oh man, hey, hey, alright, you know I gotta put
those in mass production now. Everybody wants one might Might
I'm not gonna get any money get Rob dot com.
I'm gonna steal my all right. Anyway, Matt Rule, you're
happy he got seven years. Rob Some people that some

(01:46:38):
people think that that means Cam Newton is out. I
don't think it has to mean that. I think number one,
you gave Matt Rule the authority. I think that's a
ridiculous coaches contract. As a head coach, I need security.
I would have gave him five. Seven is ridiculous. Seven

(01:46:59):
is long, but hey, he got it. Give him the authority.
This is the guy. If you don't like him as
a player, well, if you're gonna be successful here and play, well,
you gotta do it with him. And I think that
type of authority is needed. Again. Seven is long. I
would have done five, but my thing, they gave him

(01:47:19):
seven years and paid his six million dollars buy out
to get out of I mean, really, am I missing something? Chris?
What National championships was he winning? Seriously? Really? Well, my
point about seven years and that my point about Cam
is this Cam can come back. And I had said
during the season you can let him go, I mean

(01:47:41):
either way, but you can bring Cam back. He's only
making twenty million dollars a year. He's supposed to be
healthy next year, so let him play and see what
he can do. And if he can't do, if he's
not the same old Cam Newton and can't play that well,
maybe gets hurt again, you let him walk. I don't
think it's that big of a decision. I don't think

(01:48:03):
this means that, you know, you gotta let Cam go
now and bring in the young quarterback that rules going
to develop and be with for the rest of his
time in Carolina. That'd be nice if you get that guy.
I'm just saying it doesn't have to be that way.
Can you get off Twitter? I'm off Twitter? No, I

(01:48:24):
just I don't know. I mean with their alternative and
where they want to go with Cam. I don't know.
When a guy gets hurt, I'm not that quick to
just toss him aside an injuries. One thing been hurt
I got, but poor player is something else. You know,
when you look at a guy, you look at Tom Brady,
you know he doesn't have it anymore. It's easy to
make a decision. I'm just saying, Cam, I'm not sure yet.

(01:48:47):
He might go to the He might could go to
the to the Bears and turn things around him. And
I think he could do you know what I mean,
like in a fresh start. I don't know if it
will be happening in Carolina. Although look, you got the
running back, you got some weapons. You know, I would
give him a shot. I gotta be honest. It's as
much as I was, like, look, he I think he's
probably damaged goods. But considering that it's only twenty million

(01:49:08):
dollars and you know he's gonna be healthy, we believe
give him one more shot. If he's great, you can
keep him and you know, give him another contract, right
like he not you let him go, and there's you're
none of the worse. Yeah, No, I look at it
like once once in a lifetime they decided that they
were gonna pay him Chris, even though he haven't been

(01:49:29):
able to stay healthy the last couple of years, gets hurt,
they got they got a big game, a big contract
that I'm just saying. But but it's just five And
what did he do with his team? Big beaten, battled down,
He won the last four games and got them in
the playoffs. The short menu at that point he won
four straight menu more straight over the jot. That's what

(01:49:52):
the cowboys want. Wanted to get paid. Really, chush you,
you're too much. I'm just saying, be consistent. I have
consist consumer most inconsistent. You're not consistent. You almost instead
of you get into her boat. Had almost got you
the maya hehit coat hat? What is that? Because you're inconsistent? Inconsistent? Brother,

(01:50:13):
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Patrick in North Carolina. Patrick, who you're trashing? Hey, my brothers,
I'm trashing David Tepper of the owner of the Carolina Panthers.

(01:51:24):
You know, you go out there and you hire that rule,
no disrespect to rule. But my beef is you have
great offensive coordinators like you mentioned Er at M Chris
and I have to agree with you on that. Who
has paid those dues is a great office of mine,
and he even played in the NFL. But no, you
go and pay a coach seventy million dollars over a

(01:51:44):
seventy year who hasn't proved nothing at this level. Instead
of hiring a coach who has not won anything in
the college ranks, you need to go out there and
give his great offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators who has
paid their dudes in the NFL and give them their
shot because they're the ones that deserve it, not these

(01:52:06):
coaches that haven't proved anything really in college and has
really proved anythink in the NFL. That's all I want
to say. That's strong, Patrick, Strong, my man, Joseph in Virginia.
You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. Who
are you trashing Joseph and Eon Fellas. I'm sorry, but
this is this is too my We haven't been showing
much love to the league and I'm speaking of an

(01:52:27):
NBA lately, and it's just one thing that's been bugging
me is that people are starting to realize why KD
and Lebron left the markets that they're in. They do
not support the superstars in the small market. Jevin Booker
for the second season, will be missing his nomination for
All Star Weekend. Last year, he finished with twenty seven well,

(01:52:48):
excuse me, twenty six seven assists and four rebounds. This
year he's doing the same thing. There's no way a
Taco Fall or an Alex carus h than that. Well
that they're not making the go ahead to the league.
The league supports their smaller the stars and their smaller markets,
or move some of these teams into bigger markets. These
stars are going to continue to leave these small markets

(01:53:11):
and go to these bigger markets. All right, Joseph, that's
well thought out, that degree a little bit, but that's
a good take. It is Chris and Irvine, California. You're
in the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. Who are
you trashing? Hey, how's it going? Guys? That's that they're
calling into trash baseball right now to kind of piggyback
on what you guys were talking about. The scandal with

(01:53:32):
the Red Sox and the Houston Astros. I think it's
terrible that it's happening, and also it's going to hurt
them in the long run because now in future world series,
if things like this, even if there's any sort of
hint of collusion, I think people are just going to
look at every single series now with like kind of
side eyed being like, is there anything going on? Even
if there's any Even if there's nothing, people are going
to look too much into it and try to draw

(01:53:54):
these parallels and try to instigate things that might not
be there. No know what that very insisting. No, I
agree with you. I mean if a team is hitting
home runs like look like look they knew what was
coming you know what I mean, like you would be
saying that kind of stuff. Appreciate it. Let's go to
Joe in North Carolina. Joe, who you're trashing? I like
to trash the NFL rules Committee for messing up the

(01:54:16):
on side kick, and I think I got the solution
is that if you do an onside kick, you have
to declare you're doing it, and then you go back
to the old rules. I mean, everybody knows is coming
except for the Super Bowl in New Orleans Saints, by
the way, is coming. Nah, you're right, because now you're right, Joe,
you got no chance of getting the on side Joe.

(01:54:40):
Everybody does know what is coming. Joseph in Indiana, you're
in the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. Who you trashing, Joseph?
I'm trusting the New York Giants. They are the biggest
joke of franchise because they could have hired Josh McDaniel.
They offend the coordinator for the Kansas City and they
should have hired Bill Pollyan instead ut Born Dave Gentleman,

(01:55:02):
he should they should gout Josh Rosen as their quarterback.
A right Joseph coming, strong strong opinions. Let's go with
Mike in New York. Mike, who you're trashing? I'm trashing
the fraudulent dynasty. This is a team that was six
Super Bowls, none of them they could never win one

(01:55:23):
out of the wall co around and they cheated and
they lost the backup at the backup and Eli Manning.
Oh my god, I think this is all you know?
I can't you Hey, Mike start calling Mike robbed you know,
and I saw my man, Chris, Chris. I don't think

(01:55:46):
I didn't notice you gonna sneak Skiff Bailey saying about
what other the Boston guy was on the phone earlier
talking about he picked the Cowboys and make the school.
You did some crash. I know you've got one hundred percent. Mike,
thank you. I'm not running in front of I know.
Would you always put on my charges? You picked the
Calgary all right? You were way more as it longer

(01:56:07):
than the charge. David in Nebraska, you're on the odd
couple of Fox Sports Radio. Don't be throwing stones my way.
Who you trashing, David, I'm trashing the head of NFL
officiating Fellas. We gotta stop this putting mixed cruise together.
Have we learned nothing from the last couple of years,
and really this year, the debacles that go on in

(01:56:29):
the playoffs. When they reward these people individually to give
them more money to get into playoff games, you've got
to reward them as cruise. Something else is gonna happen
this weekend, something else is gonna happen the weekend after that,
and something else is gonna happen in the super Bowl
because they can't figure out you can't mix these crews
together at the last minute and expect them to have

(01:56:51):
any consistency. And my bonus trash as Saints fans, shut up,
quit whining. Oh there you got true. It's a little
bit bizarre that they do it the way they do,
but they do that, they do it. I think in
all sports, like they messed up, the best referees and
umpires are the ones who get to work the ones,

(01:57:12):
not just the crew as a whole. Robert and Georgia,
you're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio. Who are
you trashing? Yeah, I'm trashing the whole NFL, you guys,
Christ and Rob. I agree with you guys, one hundred percent. Um,
it's seventy percent African Americans and players, and we don't
have three percent three coaches in the NFL, and it
doesn't make sense that we get overlooked so much and

(01:57:33):
we always get the short end of the stick. And
I'm really tired of it as an avid watch of
the NFL not putting us first and not using us
and specialize with us as a people. And just like
with the Philadelphia Eagles across the winswith Down, you have
four or two year old josh ma cow who was
who was retired, and they could have had Colin Kaethnick
and brought him in help and had a chance to win,

(01:57:55):
but they didn't want to win because they put their
pride instead of want to win the Super Bowl. So
that's just I have to trash the whole NFL, and
I'm part of them, guys. Robert Robert to Mason san Diego,
he got fire Maze. Who you're trashing Pallas Rod Regin
a k A. Rod, when in actuality your name should
be pay Rod leaving the championship Calibers, Yale Mariners for

(01:58:18):
the sorry last play Texas Rangers for two hundred and
fifty two million dollars clarified you are a true sellout
in the three seasons you played in Texas, the team
finished dead lasts each year. You committed hardway robbery by
getting paid that much and not improving the team. And
let's not forget when you showed the world what a
fraud you were in the two thousand and four playoffs
against the Red Sox when you blatantly punched the ball

(01:58:41):
out of the first basement glove and then had the
daffy to act surprise like you did nothing wrong when
the call was overturned. This sorry act of innocence was
only a precursor or what was to come next. You
vehemently denied using steroids to spiral the allegations, only to
finally come clean and to make that you were using
steroids for a number of years shows you like integrity
and our true narcissists. You are the Lance Armstrong of baseball,

(01:59:04):
and it's an absolute abomination that you're still allowed to
be an announcer for ESPN during the regular season baseball games.
There should be banned from baseball, just like Pete Rose.
And for your information, your girlfriend Jennifer Lopez has already
been married three times and everyone knows for a fact
you were the skirt in that relationship. With that being said,
when the two of you finally get married, you will

(01:59:25):
then be known to the world. Alex Lopez. Wow, Wow,
my goodness, Mace. Mace comes with fire every week. He's
got stuff stored up for I think Mace needs a
husband rather keep bringing the heat. Yes, all right, it's
the Eye couple, Chris and Rob signing off. We had

(01:59:45):
a great time with you guys, and of course we
will be back in the same place at the same
time tomorrow. Tomorrow. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

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