Rod Arquette Show: Newsom's Thirst for Power; SCOTUS Decision on Chevron Deference

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Hello, Utah. Great to bewith you on this Monday afternoon. You're
on Utah's talk radio one oh fivenine k and rs live everywhere of course
on the iHeartRadio app. Great tobe with you this afternoon. A dynamite
show coming up for you today herein a little bit, we'll talk about
Gavin Newsom. Now Newsom, hisname is mentioned almost all the time when

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it comes to a replacement for tiredold Joe. You know, you've got
Kamala and Newsom and maybe Whitner Whitnerout of Michigan. But really those are
the three names that are talked about. Well, we'll dig into what gruesome
Newsom has done to California. That'scoming up. We'll also talk about the
major decisions coming down by the SupremeCourt after the last couple of days.

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Of course, the immunity announcement todayby the High Court. Late last week
they announced rules. One of themwas the Chevron Deferen's case. We'll get
into that a little bit later on. We'll talk about how the debate turned
reality head on its head. Itreally did. We'll talk about that.
We'll talk about Kamala Harris. Isshe as unpopular as a lot of people

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out there say she is because hername's being mentioned as well. And as
we get closer to the fourth ofJuly, which is coming up on Thursday,
we're going to talk about the truemeaning of freedom. What does freedom
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today, so we'll work that allinto the discussion that we have with you
this afternoon. If you want tobe a part of the program, of
course, eight eight eight five seveneight zero one zero eight eight eight five
seven eight zero one zero, oron your cell phone, all you do
is have to dial pound two fiftyand simply say, hey, Rod,
now let's talk about what has happenedover the weekend. As I said,

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there is a massive pr campaign underwayright now to save Joe Biden. Now
word is that Joe Biden, hiswife, his sister, his family have
zero interest whatsoever in Joe Biden's steppingdown, zero interest whatsoever. Now the
intrigue of all of this is JoeBiden, who you know, he runs

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away from tough interviews, He avoidsNoah, holds barred press conferences. Well,
apparently to show the American voter thathe's got all the vimen vigor he
needs to run for reelection. Hemay be doing those more often. Now,
what happened over the weekend is,you know, as of yesterday,
Joe Biden's family met together at CampDavid. This was a pre arranged meeting.

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This was done before the debate happened. They were there for a photography
session, but of course there wasa lot of a discussion about Joe Biden
and what he's going to do andhis family waiting. Apparently, there are
two people, maybe three people nowwho really influenced Joe Biden, as we
mentioned, his wife Jill, hissister and his son Hunter, who is

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really pressing him to continue to stayin the race and there's no indication that
he's getting out of him now.Some family and friends are really looking at
his handlers and blaming them for hispoor showing on Thursday night. One of
them said the makeup look bad.One of them said he was over prepared.
They're all pointum fingers at the prepteam. But Joe Biden is standing

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by his prep team say they're doingjust fine. And the inner circle there
is saying, okay, one badnight does not make for a bad campaign.
So they're trying to convince people toblow it off. So here are
some of his steps that he's tryingto ensure that he can survive. One
is trying to dismiss the bedwdding.There's a lot of bed wedding going on

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with an Democratic party right now.Squeeze the polls for some Jews. The
polls don't look very good. Asa matter of fact, we'll tell you
about this. CBS you gub pullout yesterday they sewed a surgeon. Voters
who do not want him to bepresident warn of the chaos, say come
on, come down, everybody.Keep elected officials closed. And we're talking
about Chuck Schumer and House Democratic LeaderHakim Jeffries got to keep them close,

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the big one, get the donorclass to chill. A lot of the
big donors out there are now verynervous about Joe Biden. So what's going
Joe Biden going to do? Wemay see him hold the news conference,
we may see him sit down forsome tough interviews. We may in fact
see him hold the town hall meeting. All of those options are being considered

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to show the American people that thereis life after Joe Biden. And as
a matter of fact, there's abrand new Joe Biden add out today.
So you Saint Trip last night,I mean, it's sincerely in the most
lies told of this single debate.He lied about the great economy created,
he lied about the pandemic he bus, and then his biggest lie, he

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lied about how he had nothing todo with the insurrection of January six.
We all saw with our own lives, We're gonna walk down to the Capitol
and then I'll be there with you. We saw police being attacked, the
capital being ranside. He did nota single thing to stop at nothing.
Folks. I know I'm not ayoung man, but I know how to

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do this job. I know rightfrom Rome, I know how to tell
the truth. I know, likethe minutes of an earthas know, when
you get knocked down, you getback up. I'm Joe Biden all to
prove this mess, all right,that is valid. If Joe Biden add
well, not to be outdone theTrump campaign is I'll also put out a

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new ad. And who are theyattacking? Not who you think when you
think of that Joe Biden has sawon the debate, ask yourself a question.
Do you think the guy who wasdefeated by the stairs, he got
taken down by his bike, losta fight with his jacket and regularly gets
lost. Makes it four more yearson the White House? And you know

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who's waiting behind it? Right tovote Joe Biden today and Kamala Harris tomorrow.
I'm Donald Trump and I approved thismess. That's a pretty good ad
from the Trump campaign. Now.I mentioned a moment ago that the Biden
campaign is going to try and downplaythe new polls that are coming out showing
that a lot of people did notlike what they saw from Joe Biden Thursday

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night in that debate on CNN.As a matter of fact, CNN's Harry
Engin, he's kind of become oneof the numbers gurus on the networks.
He worked for CNN. He wasasked about this latest poll from CBS and
YouGov showing a lot of Americans donot think that Joe Biden should be in
the White House for another four years. Here here's his announce of the numbers

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that came in over the weekend.Voters who say that Biden has the mental
health to be president. It wasjust thirty five percent pre debate. Look
where it's dropped to now post debate, twenty seven percent. How about that
he should be running for president?It was thirty seven percent pre debate,
it's now twenty eight percent. Ihave never seen numbers this bad for an
incumbent president during my lifetime. Imean that mental health to be president just

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twenty seven percent. You might say, okay, you know that's low,
But a lot of people thought Bidenwas too old. Back in twenty twenty.
These numbers looked nothing like this backin twenty twenty. These numbers are
bad already, and the truth is, Allison, they have gotten just considerably
worse, even in just a fewdays after that first presidential debate. CNN's
Harry Anton now Jonathan Carl. JohnCarl, who hosts the This Week program

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on ABC, said, well,Biden still may have a little bit of
time. Is it too late togo in another direction? Technically no,
Democrats haven't formally nominated anybody yet,but as a practice matter, the only
way for the convention to choose adifferent candidate would be for Biden to declare
he has decided not to run andto release his delegates to vote for someone

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else. Will that happen? Well, there is absolutely no indication that Biden
is even considering dropping out, orthat anybody in his inner circle is suggesting
he should. Jonathan Carl on ThisWeek on ABC News, Now, what
happens? We've got what ten weekseleven weeks before the next debate. Biden
shows no signs that he's going toget out. Only another major gaff,

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a stumble may really discourage more Democrats. But Democrats right now, they've circled
the wagons. They've decided that theyare going to back Joe Biden, at
least for right now, unless there'sanother major gaff. And we'll have to
see what happens during the second debate, which comes up in September. If
in fact, he has another poorperformance there, it will be much,
much too late for the Democrats tofind anybody. So we'll see what happens

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over the next ten to eleven weeks. But my guess is right now,
Joe Biden is not going anywhere.And we'll get to some of your phone
calls on that a little bit lateron in the show. All right,
when we come back, we'll talkabout Gavin Newsom. It's all about power
with Gruesome Newsom, and we'll talkabout that coming up right here on the
rod Our Kent Show in Utah's TalkRadio one oh five nine k ANDRS.

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We're an iHeart radio station. Allright, let's get back to talking about
the future of the Democratic Party andthe election coming up in November. Of
course, we mentioned that Joe Bidenright now, thanks to the encouragement from
his family, showing no indication thathe wants to get out of the race.
The two names that keep coming upas possible replacements, of course,
are Kamala Harris, the current VicePresident and the governor of California, who

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we affectionately call on this show GavinGruesome Newsom. Well, there's a brand
new book about Gavin Newsom it's calledNewsom Unleashed the Progressive Lust for Unbridled Power.
Its author is joining us on ournewsmaker line right now. Her name
is Ellie Guardy Holmes. She isa reporter associate editor at The America Spectator.
Ellie, how are you, andwelcome to the rod Er Kentschew.

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Thanks for joining us. Thanks somuch for having me on rod Ellie.
You talk in the book that youhad a rather interesting exchange with Gavin Newsom
in Rome. What happened there,Ellie? Oh? Yeah, so just
a few weeks ago, I wason my honeymoon and I was walking through
the Roman Forum and I just happenedto run across Gavin Newsom, just a

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few weeks before my book about himis going to be published. It was
a funny experience. I did notexpect to stay in there. Oh,
that's surprised it. What is yourbook about? What did you find out
or what did you write about GavinNewsom that you think the American people should
know. I chronicle all of GavinNewsom's political career, and the one thing
that keeps coming up is that heis constantly speaking after the next political position.

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He's always seeking after more power,more prestige, more of a name
for himself nationally, every single positionhe's had, he's been in politics for
about two Das Gates, his focusis on himself, so that just happens
time and time again. Sometimes it'sridiculous how much he's just focused on himself.
What drives him? Do you think, Yilly, is that quest for

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power? Right? He wants power. He also wants to be the man
to shape history. He wants tohave a real impact, and he's been
successful in doing that. There havebeen a number of things that he has
set forth that have become real changersin the country. So you look at
gay marriage, that was Gavin Newsom. He was the first person in the

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United States issues sing sex marriage licensesfrom their game, marriage came into being.
That traces back to him. Youalso look at marijuana legalization. He
had a big hand in that.He really pushed the idea that it could
be implemented in a way that wassafe and that would make states money.
And you look at homelessness. Hereally pushed the housing first approach of giving

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homeless people free apartments, which hasled to a spiraling crisis in California and
across the nation. So he wantsto be the person to create change.
He doesn't just want to be inthe physician, and so he's going to
keep pushing to make more change.What did Californians think of Gavin Newsom?

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So, Californians like Gavin Newsom,but there is a bit of a feeling
that he's focused more on the nationsthan on their state. Poles have actually
shown that he is. This yearhad the lowest approval ratings of any time
before during his governorship, and peoplethink that's because he's been more focused on

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trying to become president than running thestate. Well, he went on a
red state tour last year and Californianswere just confused. He left the state
and was just basically on a campaigntour while he was governor and not running
for any political position. That hascreated some ill feelings between Newsom and Californians.
Does he control the California Legislature?I mean, do they do about

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whatever he wants or do is theresome pushback? Oh? Yes, Gavin
Newsamb has a great command of theCalifornian legislature. He works through them,
with them through every aspect of legislation, and he is always negotiating with them,
and if he wants something to happen, he can make it happen in
the vast majority of circumstances. Hehas a rather checkered personal past, does

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he not, Ellie. That's absolutelyright. There's much that I needed to
chronicle in my book about his personalpast. There was an affair when he
was mayor of San Francisco with hissecretary, who also happened to be the
wife of one of his dearest friendssuppose leader's friends. Anyway, the way
of this campaign manager, and shehad a young child at the time,

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and because of this affair, therewas a divorce. You know, the
child had to be brought up inseveral houses because of this. That's really
sad. There was also an incidentwhen he was the thirty eight year old
mayor of San Francisco, when hedid it a nineteen year old publicly.
People might give that a second look. That's that old. Saying elliets California

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goes the rest in the nation isnot far behind. Is that his goal
to turn the US into a largerversion of California. Oh? I think
absolutely that's the case. And ifyou just look at how he acts now,
he makes it out that he wantsthe rest of the nation to follow
him. So last week he gavea State of the State address, and
normally you would give it to thelegislature and you would project it to the

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state and set your agenda. Butno, he used the State of the
State address to speak to a nationalaudience about how he wants the nation to
follow California's example. So he isactually cognizant that this is his goal,
and he says it. He goesaround saying, you know, need everyone
should follow California as abortion laws,and he says that, and that's where

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he wants to bring to the restof the nation. You know, a
lot of people look at California andsee problem after problem, might being I
don't know where you begin, butyou see all kinds of problems when it
comes to California. Does he honestlybelieve people will overlook those if he runs
a national campaign, right, thatis a real problem for him. It's
even possible that he's hoping that he'llbe able to jump into the race in

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twenty twenty four so that people willhave less time to look at everything that's
happened to California. And you candistract them with his charisma and people won't
look too far. But yeah,it's going to be a serious problem for
him. I mean, crisis aftercrisis, statistics just do not lie.
And now they have this huge deficitshowing that the government has just become completely

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satistically unstable and it's all Gavendis isdoing. So it's going to be a
really difficult record to running dat Hehas been out there even after the debate,
really supporting Joe Biden as President ofthe United States. But is he
really behind Biden or is he justsaying that, Ellie, that is exactly

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what he has to say in orderto try to get the nomination. Biden
is proud, he is stubborn.He wants he does not want people to
criticize him. If Newsom came outand criticize Biden, Biden would never support
Newsom. Newsom has to do everythinghe can to make Biden think that he
absolutely loves him, completely supports them, has his back no matter what,

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and so Newsom is going to keepdoing that. But we know how Newsom
is. Newsom wants power, hewants to move up to the next position.
He's basically been running a national campaignover the past two years in the
hopes that this would happen. Hehas been desperately hoping for this, So
we know that this is all Newsomis prepared to take to step in as
soon as Biden says all right,I'm out. If if Biden stays in

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into loses in twenty four to DonaldTrump, is it hands on bet the
Gavin Newsom will be the Democratic choicein twenty eight. He is definitely going
to run, that is for sure. There's no doubt that Newsom will run
in twenty twenty eight, but itwill be difficult to run against his record,
so we'll see if he is ableto pull that one off. That's

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going to be interesting. Ellie,great book, appreciate a few minutes of
your time. Good luck with it, Thank you so much. All right,
on our newsmaker line, there's EllieGuardi Holmes. She is worth the
American Spectator. She's a reporter andassociate editor, author of a brand new
book out there called Newsom Unleashed theProgressive Left for Unbridled Power. Gives you

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at a little bit more insight intowhat Gavin Newsom is all about. All
right, more coming up right hereon the rod Ark Kent Show and Utah's
talk writing on one oh five nineknrs. Is this the beginning of the
death of the administrative state in thiscountry? That big decision coming out concerning
the Chevron Difference case. Joining uson our Newsmaker line to talk about that

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and other rulings by the Supreme Courtis Bill Duncan, Director of the Center
for Family and Society at the SutherlandInstitute. Bill, how are you welcome
back to the rod r can't yougood? Rod? Thanks for having me
back again. Bill. How bigof a deal was that decision on the
Chevron Difference case. Well, ofcourse, it always depends on how how
the other branches the government respond,but the case itself is really really important.

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The Court had the chance to giveguidance to lower courts about how they
handle these disputes. When someone's beingregulated and they say, wait a second,
that regulation can't possibly be justified bythe you know, the legal authority
of that agency. They now haveone more argument to make that, you

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know, the agencies can't overreach theirtheir statutory or the authority Congress gives them.
So that's that's definitely an advance andin terms of curbing that overreach from
the from the federal age. Andhow soon will we see the impact of
this, do you think, Bill? Almost right away? I think so.
I mean in one sense that youknow, there are all kinds of

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cases going on right now over thingslike, uh, you know, the
new regulations of Title nine, uh, environmental regulations, a whole range of
things where somebody who has been arguing, look, the federal government's asked us
to do things that clearly aren't aren'tjustified by by the laws passed by Congress,
and so we we uh, thosepeople will now be able to mend

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their lawsuits and say, look,let's let's point to what the US super
Court did and say, the agenciesreally need to justify what they've done and
prove that Congress really gave them authorityto do that. And if they can't
and and and in a lot ofthose cases they won't be able to,
uh, those those parties should win. And and so I think that we'll
see that effect immediately. And thenas well, other people who are affected

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by regular relations, including states,can now bring a lawsuit and say,
you know, again, if it'sjustified, if if Congress really didn't give
the the bureaucratic agencies authority to dowhat they've done. They now have the
ability to argue that the Supreme Courtis behind them and saying, you know,
the agencies have to back down.But what kind of burden does this

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place on Congress? Do they needto become more specific in how they want
these laws implemented? You know,are we going to see bills coming out
of Congress and signed into law thatare much more specific and not as vague
as they are right now? Yes? I think that's that's that's one of
the reasons I said at the beginning, I'm not entirely sure how we'll go,

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because we hope, you know,Congress may or may not do the
right thing, but hopefully they will. I think that the that the ruling
gives Congress a strong incentive to makesure they're very clear. It also but
you know, it may also affectI mean, that's one one el element
of what the agency has been doingis taking statutes that are a little bit

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vague and adding some content to it. But sometimes it's even worse. Sometimes
the agencies have done things that areright exactly one hundred percent different than what
Congress asks them to do. Sothose are the going to be the easy
cases, where the courts can justsay, look, agencies, you just
took on more than you were everallowed. The harder cases will be where
there's some vagueness in the law.But in this situation, this gives a

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strong incentive for Congress to be clearand what they say, and for the
agencies to stay out of issues wherethey really never have had the authority to
act over the years, Bill,how out of control has the administrative state
become in this country? Well,it's clearly far beyond anything I think the

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Framers ever would have thought of.I think you can argue, in fact,
that the Framers never really had theidea that the agencies would would act
in the way they do, whichis making law, that buying citizens.
That's really the branch of government thatwas assigned to is Congress, and partially
partially through the fall to Congress byallowing the states, I mean, so
the agencies to do so much,and partially you know, just kind of

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you know, everybody loves to havepower, and if that power increases,
and you know, in terms ofhow that's exercised, that it has spiraled,
I think really to a dramatic degree, But you know, this is
one of the tools, and therehave been other things of courts have sided
recently that would allow them to rainthat back in, and that's definitely a
positive development. But I think it'lltake time to get back to more manageable

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manageable size, Bill, I thinkone of the most vocal critics of this
ruling has been the environmentalist in thiscountry and concern about climate change. Could
this have a real impact do youthink on climate change and environmental law in
this country, which a lot ofpeople do fail is out of control?
Sure? Sure? The well,I think, well, a lot.

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It's hard to predict, and I'mnot one to predict what the climate is
going to be. I can't everreally forget whether myself. But but besides
that, I think I think thatone thing is, you know, the
critics that the decision often think Ikind of have the assumption that if the
federal government's not issuing these kind ofspecific regulations on this thing or that thing,

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that that you know, no oneelse could handle it, Congress can
handle it. Really, the statesdo a great job. We see We've
seen a lot of examples of statesthat take great care of the of the
lands that they administer Indian dribes dothe same thing. You know, this
this uh, the the idea thatonly federal bureaucrats can handle the tough questions.
It's just not it's not based onreal experience. And I think we

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may see that one of the greatthings that happens is some of the states
will do great job of preserving publiclands, and it will it'll be clear
that the really never needed so muchmicromanaging. I hope that that kind of
thing will happen. And of course, you know, the other thing I
think that's important and maybe kind ofbehind your question, is the agencies are

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acting at the behest of the president, and if the president adopts some kind
of you know, ideological campaign,and even if they say, well it's
the science, it's not always reallyscience. It's in fact, these are
often decisions made for political reasons touh, to kind of satisfy donors and
things like that, and those thosekinds of considerations definitely shouldn't be taken taken

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in It shouldn't be taken in considerationand making the regulation. So hopefully some
of that kind of self deeling andsort of claiming scientific authority where really doesn't
justified, should should be gone.So you know, Bill, I know
we've brought you on to talk aboutthe Chevron Chevron defference case, but any
thoughts as well, Bill on thecourts ruling as far as the homeless camping

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out on public property and the rulingthat the cities in fact can ban that
type of practice. Question is willthey do that? Yeah, well,
well we hope that will help.We hope they do in the sense that
we hope they're doing some things thatactually help keep these people are in serious
need and and just kind of kindof allowing no change and allowing people to

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do, uh, you know,things that are self destructive that states don't
have that response Tolity it is.It was a very interesting case. And
uh, the the court ruled youthat the Eighth Amendment, which is the
amendment that says you can impose acruel and unusual punishment for crime, did
not apply her, which I guesssort of seems obvious to everybody. But

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it's another example where the court Ithink, is trying to clarify that in
the past, where we're judges andand activists have have have had sort of
free reign, they need to goback and justify their actions by the Constitution.
If they can't do that, asthey clearly couldn't in this case,
then uh, then they need toto leave well enough alone and let let

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cities kind of have the authority todo things that they think are going to
be in the best interests of theircitizens, all their citizens, including those
who who are homeless, but alsothose who are affected by the kinds of
you know, these kinds of spectaclesand and really sad situations where cities are
kind of run down in a waythat they really shouldn't be. It's going

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to be interesting to see how thisall shakes out. Bill, as always
love your insight, appreciate a fewminutes of your time. Thank you,
Bill, Oh, thanks, thanksfor your time. Ron, have a
great date. All right on ournewsmaker line. That's Bill Duncan, director
of the Center for Family and Societyat the Southerlyn Institute. All right,
more coming up right here on therod ar, can't you in Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine kN rsWell, ye, I saw this story

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yesterday and I went, you know, we're all concerned right now about the
cost of just living, I mean, food prices, gas, prices,
prices to keep our homes cool,you name it. Prices are going up.
But then I saw the story inthe Salt Lake Tribune. Rocky Mountain
Power, which supplies electricity to aboutfour fifths of Utah, is now asking

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the state, are you ready forthis? For a whopping nearly thirty one
percent increase in power rates which wouldraise the average customer's bill by more than
twenty four dollars a month, andthey want to do that in the next
eighteen months. Rocky Mountain proposes atwo phase increase in its filing with the
Utah Public Service Commission, which tookplace on Friday. Now the PSC must

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approve the increase before it could takeeffect. The first phase would come in
February of next year, when theresidential customer rate would go from ten nineties
ten dollars in ninety six cents perkilowatt to twelve dollars and twenty nine cents
per kilowat. That would push theaverage customers bill up thirteen dollars a month.

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Second jump, according to the storyin the Tribune, would come in
January of twenty twenty six, whenthe rate would rise to fourteen dollars and
thirty one cents per kilowatt hour,adding another ten dollars to the average customers
monthly bill. Business and industrial customerswould also beg increases, but the percentages

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would be much smaller. So now, Utah, I believe, and I
may be wrong on this, hadsome of the lowest electricity rates in the
country today, but you're seeing thisproposal from Rocky Mountain Power where you would
pay thirty percent more in the nextthe next eighteen months for your power.

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The governor was quick out, veryquick to point out even and go along
with this idea, he said ina in a x post. The proposed
rate increase from Rocky Mountain Power wouldbe laughable if in fact it wasn't so
dangerous. The proposal is completely unacceptable. The audacity and the lack of awareness

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with request seriously calls into question managementat Rocky Mountain Power. They and the
governor said he will do everything hecan to make sure, in fact it
does go away. So you knowthat increase in power, you know,
yeah, we're all struggling, folks. I mean, let's be honest.

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You go to the grocery store rightnow, and it does cost you an
arm and lug leg to get anygroceries out there today, and with Rocky
Mountain Power now proposing a thirty percentjump roughly twenty four dollars more per month
for your power here in the stateof Utah, and they filed that with
the Public Service Commission on Friday.Still needs approval from the PSC, but

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it will be interesting to see whattheir reading is behind all of that.
Of course, the talk over theweekend it was all about Joe Biden and
what Joe Biden's going to do.Now. What is pretty amazing is this
massive pr campaign which is going onright now to convince first of all the
Democrats primarily I think the Democratic votedonors, and then the voters on top

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of that, that Joe Biden isin fact fit to be president of the
United States for another four years.And that's what they're now. Their task
is now to convince the American peoplethat he is worthy of that and should
deserve another four years. After thatreally disastrous debate in Atlanta on Thursday night.

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Now his family gathered together over theweekend. His wife and his son
Hunter apparently are the leaders in convincingJoe to stay in the race. No
indications are right now that he's goingto drop out of the race. They're
blaming everybody on his prep staff forthe mistakes that were made during the debate

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and had a lot of mistakes anddid not looked strong in any way and
looked feeble. He couldn't focus,he couldn't you know, he just didn't
do a very good job. Andthere were a lot of people after Thursday
night. I remember watching like MSNBCand CNN and the legacy media out there

(31:21):
going, oh, this is done. You know, we got to find
somebody else. Now, all ofa sudden, they're going, well,
you know, Trump lied more thanBiden did, and you know that's what
we need to focus on, youknow, focus on do you want Donald
Trump in the White House or JoeBiden, who may have had a bad
night, but he's still a verygood president. That's what they're saying on
the side. Now, the problemI think is that Democrats are now left

(31:48):
with a likely candidate who I thinkwe would all agree is an obvious mental
decline, and a vice president inKamala Harris, who is even less popular
than Joe Biden. Now we're goingto talk to somebody in the six o'clock
hour who claims she is not asineffective as people claim she is. But

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a lot of people look at KamalaHarrison say not a chance. We know
we you know, we are notgoing to put her in charge of the
football, No way that's going tohappen. But finding a better candidate and
a nominee will be messy for theDemocratic Party, no matter how desirable.

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But I think it's fair to keepin mind, first of all, as
to how the Democrats and their mediaallies got themselves and this country into the
mess that we're in today. Imean, think about this. One reason,
and I think we all recognize thisnow, and the media has to
recognize this as well, is thatthey happily covered for the White House and

(32:57):
the deceptions of the White House member. They were saying, Oh, he's
just fine, he's got more energy, he's just great, you know everything,
right. They barely questioned at timesthe president's limited workday, barely questioned
his reliance on a teleprompter. Youtake him off for prompter, folks,
and he has a very very toughtime and his rare unscripted media interviews.

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How many has he done? Veryfew? Remember the one time who was
Karine Jean Pierre said, eighty isthe new fifty. He's doing great at
eighty years old. I can't evenkeep up with him and he's eighty.
That's what she had to say.Now, it's interesting. Over time and

(33:44):
we on the conservative side of theaisle started picking these things up. But
remember when reporters noticed that Joe Bidenhad started wearing his business suits with dark
tennis shoes and they were meant tokeep him from falling. That was in
speculation at one time. How aboutthe you know, and then the journal,

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the Wall Street Journal carried that terrificstory with forty five interviews, and
it was a lengthy story about JoeBiden's slipping, and the White House was
quick to come to Joe Biden's defenseand attack the Wall Street Journal. Then
you had the New York Times,who also did a lengthy story about mister

(34:29):
Biden's frailties, and they, youknow, they were attacked by the White
House. Hey, New York Times, you're supposed to be on our side.
Why didn't you go along with us? Now? I think and I
want to get your thoughts on thiscouple of things. First of all,
if you think Joe Biden's standing inthe race, I do, and I
don't think anything's going to change hismind or his wife's mind at all.

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But would the path out of thisnightmare be easier for Joe Biden and the
Democrat if he stepped aside and turnedit over to a qualified vice president.
It would be a lot easier.But Kamala Harris is there, and I

(35:14):
think most people realize she is notqualified to be president of the United States.
Remember he promised to pick a woman, and he did his very you
know, his vice president selected missHarris because she was a woman of color,
not because of her qualifications. That'swhat this was all about. And

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there's no doubt that Kamala Harris,in my opinion, has bombed as a
vice president and would bomb as apresidential candidate. I mean, you know,
she didn't even get a vote inthe original primary. So a Biden
withdrawal and an August an open Augustconvention are Are they desirable? Is this

(36:04):
in the best interest of the country? Miss Harris? In my opinion,
Kamala Harris doesn't appear to be upfor the job. I really don't think
she is an open convention for theDemocrats carries it risk rite no doubt about
that, but I think it isthe best way that Democrats and their media

(36:27):
allies can clean up the mess thatthey have made. I do not think
they will do it, but itmay be the only way that they can
convince the American people that Joe Bidenhas graciously stepped aside, and a lot
of people are saying he should havedone what LBJ did in March of nineteen
sixty eight and announced he was notgoing to be a candidate for president and

(36:50):
turned it over to a number ofDemocrats or a number of Democrats at that
time. Joe Biden would have beensmart a few months ago to say,
you know, I look at things, see where my health is today,
and I'm just going to graciously stepaside and encourage others to get involved.
But the Democratic Party did not allowthat to happen, and now they find
themselves in a heck of a messtoday. What are they going to do?

(37:15):
They will fight for Biden, theywill stick for Biden, and we'll
have to see what happens in thecoming What are we down to about four
months now? So I thought i'dhave a discussion with you tonight on a
couple of those points. First ofall, do you think Joe Biden is
staying in the race? I do, And if you don't, why do
you think he'd get out? Andhow would he get out? Because it's

(37:38):
not going to be easy for theDemocrats to find a replacement. It's messy,
but they'll come up with some wayto do it. So do you
think Joe Biden stays or goes?I personally believe he's not going anywhere.
And secondarily, would it be easierfor Biden to call it quits and to

(37:58):
turn the reins over to somebody elseelse? If that's somebody else was not
Kamala Harris as the vice president eighteight eight five seven eight zero one zero
eight eight eight five seven o eightzero one zero on your cell phone dial
pound two to fifty. Let meknow what you think. It's going to
be interesting to see what you thinkand our listeners who you know Greg and
I agree with the smartest listeners inthe world eight eight eight five seven o

(38:20):
eight zero one zero or on yourcell phone dial pound two to fifty and
say hey, run you need big, big money nowadays to run a nationwide
campaign. And if the donors startbacking away. You know, Joe Biden's
in trouble. No sign of thatyet, even though many of them are
concerned. So my question to youtonight is, first of all, do
you think he stays or goes?I think most of you are going to

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agree with me that he stays.But what about the mess the Democrats have
put themselves into? I mean,think about this. If the Democrats had
more faith in Kamala Harris, wouldit be easier for Joe Biden to step
out? But I don't think theyhave faith in Tamala Harris. And you
know, I'm not sure if there'sa lot of love right now for Gavin

(39:04):
Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer or Pete boodhajeedge. I don't know who's out there.
But right now, I don't thinkthey have an alternative either Biden stays in
the race or putting Kamala in thereagainst Donald Trump. Can you believe that
one? All right, let's getyour thoughts on this as you work your
way home tonight eight eight eight fiveseven O eight zero one zero, or
on your cell phone, do'll poundtwo to fifteen. Say hey, Rod,

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we begin on I fifteen tonight withSpencer, Spencer, how are you
welcome to the Rod arciad Show.Great? Thanks Rod. Hey. I
think for the Democrats, well,we'll replace by it, and I think
the current media strategy there is reallythe only political thing they can do now
to keep the donors happy is pretendthat they're co asking around them and that

(39:47):
it was a bad debate night.And but everything's going to be fine.
But I think over the next comingweek, you'll suppose decline. I think
you'll see donors soften, and ultimatelythey want to win, so they will.
They will replace him, but itwon't be with Kamala. For the
point you're making that she's she's nota path to victory either either. I

(40:08):
think that eventually, who they'll pick, I can't. I can't name anyone
because you're right, the list seemsodd. But it'll be someone new,
fresh faced, just trying to becompletely different. That's what I think will
happen, And ultimately I think it'llwon't matter. Trump's going to win regardless.

(40:30):
Spencer, when do you think theypull the plug out old Joe?
Do they do it before the convention? During the convention where they you know,
where Joe announces his delegates are allfree, you can vote for somebody
else. How does it lay outin your opinion, Spencer? Probably probably
just if not at the convention immediatelybefore. Politically, they're going to have

(40:53):
to toe the line that everything's fineuntil the day they pull the plug,
and it will all happen really fast. All right, Spencer, thank you.
Let's go to Russ in Centerville tonight. Here on the Roder catcho Russ,
how were you? Thanks for joiningus tonight. What do you think?
Does he stay or does he go? Yeah? Rod, before this
weekend I would have said he's gonnago. But when he met with his

(41:14):
family at Camp David, Remember,he says that Hunter Biden is the smartest
guy. He knows. Hunter andhis wife are pitching really hard that he
stays. So I think he's gonnastay. The thing I really wish that
the Republicans would do, and Ihope they start doing in their advertising is
really hit home that people all sawwhat they saw Thursday night. He's not

(41:37):
going to make it another four years. I hate to be mean about it.
They need to start running against KamalaHarris. Make more advertisements about you're
running from You're running against Kambala Harrisbecause she's gonna have to finish his term
if they were to get re elected. Yeah, you know, Russ,
I thought the same thing you didgoing into the weekend. When I started

(41:59):
saw that story surface that he wasgoing to meet with his family this weekend
at Camp David, I thought,Okay, maybe they're going to try and
talk some sense into him and decideto back out of this race gracefully.
But then you saw the follow Upstrois, and you've got his wife who's pushing
him to stay, his sister who'spushing him to stay, and as you
mentioned Hunter, who is pushing himto stay. I think he's in this

(42:21):
for a while. I think he'sin until the very end. In my
opinion, I agree. I don'tknow if you trust Tucker Carlson. I
do. He claims four years ago, before Biden even ran against Trump,
that Biden's sister, who you said, was at Camp David this weekend pushing
she had. She admitted to someclose friends of her she knew her brother

(42:44):
had to mention twenty twenty and shecouldn't She couldn't believe that he was even
considering running for president against Trump.And now you know, and I trust
it was secondhand. I'm not gonnalie to he was. It was Tucker's
who knew this galp pretty well,saying, I can't believe my brother's running

(43:04):
for president. He's got demnsha alreadyin twenty twenty or twenty nineteen, so
I don't know, but I thinkhe's in for the long haul. And
like I said, I think thecampaign needs to say, forget Biden and
his craziness, We're gonna vote it. We're gonna run against Kamala because that's
who's going to finish the four yearterm if if they were to happen to
win, which I don't think theywill. Yeah, Russ, I think.

(43:27):
And they've started putting out the Trumpcampaign has now started putting out some
ads and maybe we'll play this alittle bit for you again a little bit
later on. But they are startingto target not only Joe but Kamala,
saying, if you lose Joe,guess who you get with Kamala. All
right, back to the phones wego. Let's talk with Ron and Draper
tonight here on the Rod our kencho. Ron, thanks for joining us tonight,

(43:50):
Thanks for having me. Rod.I think that I heard Jason Chafitz
the other day, I think itwas this morning, in an interview,
saying that it's not as easy assaying that they can just give the delegates
to another person, that each statehas their own laws and how they can
give it, so it's a quagmireto do that, and they don't want
to get rid of power. Bidenis trusting his wife and his son,

(44:13):
two most important advisors, which isjust a joke. And what's really a
shame is the mainstream media and allthese pundits and all these heads of the
Democratic Party have been lying to usfor years saying that what you see on
TV is not true. He canonly give a talk if it's written for
him. He can never be askedquestions. They control all the press conferences,

(44:37):
which he only did one i thinkthis year, and it's always certain
media that asks specific questions. They'vebeen living a lie. This is the
biggest danger of democracy. We're supposedto be the people voting for a president
and he's not making the decisions.We have no idea who is. And
believe me, the heads of Russia, China, A, and North Korea

(45:00):
Venezuela, they are watching and it'sIt's unbelievable the danger that they put us
in because they want to hold ontopower. You know what's funny on this
too? Uh yeah, he'll stay. What's funny on this run as well
is you know, the American people, I think have just given up on
journalism anymore. You know, theyfailed the American people and not shooting straight

(45:21):
with what all of us saw infront of our own eyes. Joe Biden
was failing. But you'd never hearthe mainstream media bring up anything about this.
And I don't know how, buddy, how anybody can trust journalism anymore?
And I think that's sad. RunDo you can? I make sure?
So I looked up on YouTube.I saw something new Gingridge just talking

(45:45):
about what are we going to dowith the DJ And in that little thing
I looked at, he talked aboutthat there was a survey done with the
elites and then the general public,and the description of the elites were you
had to be an Ivy League school, postgraduate degree householding one hundred two thousand
or more, or the mainstream mediaWashington, DC and some of the East

(46:07):
and West coast. So they dida survey and they sent it out to
the general public, and they said, would you be willing to lie and
cheat to get who you wanted anoffice in something like that? And the
general public said seven percent said yes, Wow. The elite group was over
fifty percent. Wow. And that'sexactly And then now you look at all

(46:29):
the media that that's what they're doing. They don't care and they get paid.
Yep, they sure do. Gotto cut you off front. I've
got to get to a break andmore calls after we get a news update.
But you know, they don't care. They want their guy in.
They know if they put Joe Bidenback in the White House they can control
them. I mean, for cryingout loud. His staff came out today
and said, you know, hismost productive hours are between ten am and

(46:52):
four pm. The rest of thetime, he's worth nothing. I mean,
so isn't that an indication? Imean, Glenn talked about this after
the debate last Thursday night Friday morning, Glenn Beck, We're in a dangerous
situation right now in this country,even before the election, because our adversary's
out there here within this country oroutside of this country, China, Russia,

(47:15):
Iran. Know that we have afeeble president. A week president and
it's dangerous. Now. We can'twait till January in my opinion, but
we're probably going to have to.Unfortunately, all right, more your calls
coming up eight eight eight five seveneight zero one zero, or on your
cell phone dial pound two fifty andsay hey Rod. More coming up on

(47:35):
the Rod Arcat Show. A coupleof things I mentioned. There's a new
poll out tonight, this one comingout of New Hampshire. No Republican has
one New Hampshire in twenty four years. But this new poll shows that Donald
Trump leading Joe Biden and Robert F. Kendy Junior, Trump with forty four
percent, Biden forty two percent,Robert F. Kenny Junior with four percent.

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And there is this story tonight.I mentioned it before we went to
news California Governor Gavin Newsom guess wherehe's headed to New Hampshire this week?
The headline a Democratic campaign event justdays after the Biden Trump presidential debate,
and of course, fueling speculation thathe may be preparing to step in if

(48:16):
Biden backs out of the race.The event is called the Blue Summer Campaign
Kickoff, will be spearheaded by NewHampshire Senate Democratic Caucus. On July eighth,
Gavin Newsom headed to New Hampshire.Interesting, all right, back to
our calls. We're talking about aconversation we're having with you tonight about Joe
Biden. Does he stay or doeshe go? I contends he goes,

(48:38):
and would it be easier for himto leave if Kamala Harris wasn't the vice
president. Brian is in Bluffdale tonighton the Rod Arcitchew. Hi Brian,
Hello, O'Brien, Brian there thereyou are. Brian, go ahead,
Hey, Rod, Bryan from Bluffdale. Joe Biden isn't going anywhere. He's

(49:01):
going to be the nominee because theDemocrat Party can't afford to experience a defeat,
so they have nowhere to go.They're in a box. Yeah,
they sure are. They're in amess, aren't they. Brian? Oh,

(49:23):
it's without question? Are you kiddingme? Kamala Harris Tamali? Are
you kidding me? I've never heardher call Tamali, but I like that
one. All right, Brian,thank you. Let's go to Lane in
Salt Lake City. He wants toweigh in on this lane. How are
you? Thanks for joining us?Well, thanks for having me, Rod,

(49:44):
I agree with your previous color.I don't think he's going anywhere.
In fact, as much as I'dlike to see him go somewhere, I
think that he has too many Shenaniganslived in the Biden crime family to take
care of, and he's got toget that done somehow Otherwise, you know,

(50:09):
we're going to find out about toomany of the details. Yeah,
and I think he's trying to hidethat. Yeah, And you could be
right. I mean, there's alot about the Biden crime family that's never
been reported or no investigative reporting beingdone into the activities of the crime family,
and it could be something that hedefinitely wants to cover up. That

(50:31):
could be another reason why he's staying. I think the real reason, or
one of the reasons, but thereal reason, in my opinion, his
wife doesn't want him to go.I think Joe Biden, she loves the
trappings of being the first lady.I mean, she just did a Vogue
cover, what wearing a million dollaroutfit, something like that ridiculous number.
She's not going anywhere. She isthe driving force behind it. She's behind

(50:53):
her husband. You know, herhusband, Joe Biden has run for the
White House three times one on thethird try right, And she wants to
do everything she can to protect hislegacy. And that's why I know until
she says, you know, Joey, maybe it is time to leave.
Maybe it is time for us tomove on and enjoy a different chapter in

(51:17):
our life. You've been in politicsfor so long. Let's take a break.
She's not going to say that.She honestly believes that he still has
what it takes and he can stillfit for office. Plus, she,
along with every other Democrat in thiscountry, is scared the death of Donald
Trump. They are so afraid thatnow with this immunity decision today from the

(51:42):
Supreme Court, that Donald Trump willgo in and arrest anyone who tried to
take him on and will turn thiscountry upside down and turn it into a
dictatorship. There's anybody out there whosupports Donald Trump who believes that is going
to be done. But the Democratsare so fearful of that. That's the
hyperbole that they're putting out to theAmerican people today. In this decision is

(52:06):
dangerous for the country. And I'mwatching Fox News right now. Apparently the
President is going to make a statementtoday about this Supreme Court immunity decision,
another indication that he's trying to getout in front of the American people and
show that he is fit for office. All right, Mari, your calls
and comments coming up right here onthe rod arcentcho and Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine, Okay, andour let's listening to what the what Joe

(52:29):
Biden has to say about their rulingtoday by the Supreme Court to the people
of the station. So now nowthe American people will have to do what
the courts should have been willing todo but will not. The American people
have to render a judgment about DonaldTrump's behavior. The American people must decide
whether Donald Trump's assault on our democracyon January sixth makes him unfit for public

(52:52):
office and the highest office in theland. The American people must decide if
Trump's embrace of violence to preserve hispower is acceptable. Perhaps most importantly,
America people must decide they want toentrust the president once again, the presidency
to Donald Trump, now knowing he'llbe more emboldened to do whatever he pleases

(53:15):
whenever he wants to do it.You know, the outset of our nation
was the character of George Washington,our first president to find the presidency.
He believed power was limited, notabsolute, and that power always resides to
the people. Always. Now,over two hundred years later, today's Supreme

(53:38):
Court decision, once again it willdepend on the character of the men and
women who hold that presidency that aregoing to define the limits of the power
of the presidency, because the lawwill no longer do it. I know
I will respect the limits of thepresidential powers I have for three and a
half years. But any president dingDonald Trump will now be free to ignore

(54:02):
the law. I concur with justa sodemyer's descent today she hears what she
said. She said in every useof a visual power, the president is
now a king above the law.With fear for our democracy. I dissent.
End of quote, Associated American peopledissent. I dissent. May God

(54:28):
bless you all. May God helppreserve our democracy. All right, that's
Joe Biden at the White House justa moment ago saying there. Ruling by
the Supreme Court will free any president, including himself, by the way,
or Donald Trump, if he's electedpresident for a second time, to ignore
the law. Obviously, this isan attempt to try and revitalize Biden,
to get him out in front ofthe American people. They're going to be

(54:51):
attacking and continue to attack Donald Trumpfor what happened on January sixth, and
they're now going to attack the SupremeCourt as well. All right, let's
get back to your phone calls aswe talk about Joe Biden, and if
he stays or if he goes,indications are he is going to say.
See what Fred has to say aboutthis in Sandy tonight. Fred, thanks
for joining us on the Rod ArcaShow. Hey, thanks for having me.

(55:15):
I think Biden stays only because it'smy understanding that the Democratic Party has
missed some critical headlines in some statesto put other people on the ballot.
And my understanding is that the onlyway you can get people on the ballot
at this late time is if there'san Amendment twenty five actions or the death
of a candidate. So if theywant to remove him, they got to

(55:37):
do Amendment twenty five to say he'snot fit for office. And the Democrats
will never admit that he's unfit foroffice, so they're just they're just going
to have to run with what hegot and go back to what you just
heard in his White House briefing.Right, Trump's a threat to democracy,
But people are seeing the greatest threatto our democracy is Biden and his weaponized

(55:58):
DOJ and him thinking he's above theSupreme Court and he doesn't have to abide
by their decisions. Just point toa couple of things, all his student
loan handouts. They have again saidthose are not legal. You can't do
that. He continues to do himHe's not going to bite by the Supreme
Court decision of the presumptive innocence ofpresidents under exercise in presidential power. So

(56:21):
he is the greatest threat to democracy. Just look at what he's come to
the FBI. See where that threatlies. You know what? On me,
I'm obviously a Trump supporter. Yeah, but I think Trump is the
greatest patriot from a president that we'veseen in a long time. He literally
and now he has some flause.I'm not disagreeing with that, but he

(56:42):
loves America and he wants America tobe great again, and he just has
to run on his track record fromhis previous term. You know what,
I think, you know what Ithink is funny about this statement that Joe
Biden just made today and I mentionedit before I went to your call,
Fred, is that Joe Biden isnow protected by this ruling from the Supreme
Court. So if somebody decides tosue Joe Biden because of his inaction on

(57:04):
the border, he's protected because that'san official duty. So he can't be
sued for that anymore. He can'tbe sued for other things he's done.
He's done, So I don't thinkJoe Biden realizes this ruling today may benefit
Donald Trump but also benefits Joe Biden, and I don't think he realizes that,
yeah, may just keep him outof jail for all. A lot
of his Biden c prime family stuffthough, would not be protected by this

(57:28):
really today because it was critical thathe was not in his job as president
when he did that stuff. Sohe's still got to worry about all that
other stuff that's going to come outif the media we'll start reporting it because
it was all found on Hunter's laptopthat now they admit his official evidence and
verifight it's authenticity. So they gotbig problems for Democrats, do, Yeah,
they sure do, and big problemsin just so many ways that they

(57:53):
are going to be challenged on andyou know they every time I hear him
speak now, I just hear desperationin their voices. You know, from
the weekend, we have got youknow, Pelosi now claiming that Donald Trump
has dimension, not Joe Biden.You have all these liberal commentators on the
various other news that we're saying,you know, forget what we said on

(58:16):
Thursday night, and we're all sayingthat Joe Biden has done. Country's got
to go in a different direction.Just forget what we said. Now,
remember what we're saying. We're sayingthat Joe that Donald Trump lied his way
through that lied his way through thatdebate. You know, it was lie
after lie after lie. Now theyaren't going to mention the fact that Joe

(58:37):
Biden also lied during that debate andyou know, claim that no American serviceman
or service woman was killed during histime. We know that's not the case,
you know, and lie after lie. You know, this whole his
stand on the abortion. We haveto have abortion because you know, brothers

(58:57):
are raping sisters are raping mothers.You know, that's what Joe Biden said
during the debate on Thursday night.We know now in very few keys.
That may be true. That maybe true, but to say that's the
reason why we need an abortion,Come on, Joe Biden. So you

(59:20):
know, the narrative now is toget Joe Biden out in front of the
American people and to make sure helooks great. He actually looked good today.
Looks like he got a bit ofa tan maybe while he was at
Camp David over the weekend, becauseadmit it, he looked awful last Thursday
night. So this whole narrative nowis threefold. I think it's to get

(59:42):
him out in front of the Americanpeople, to get him out in front
of the press, kind of afriendly press, but they're going to argue,
to do some tough interviews, right, and also to quell and to
calm the nerves of the Democrats,because they're still some Democrats out there,
especially the big donors who are saying, do I want to contribute to this

(01:00:07):
guy, knowing he may not win. All right, let's talk more about
the debate and how it has turnedreality on his head. Joining us on
our Newsmaker line right now to talkabout last week's debate and where we go
from here in reaction to it isour good friend, Frank Meely. Frank
is a columnist at Real Cure ofPolitics. Always great to have Frank on
the show tonight. Frank, howare you welcome back to the rod Arquache.

(01:00:30):
Thanks for joining us tonight. Thanksro I appreciate it. Frank,
what do you see coming out ofthat debate? What did you see?
What impressed you? What let youkind of with your mount wide open,
going, uh, what just happenedhere? What happened do you think,
Frank? Well, I mean youremember when Paul Ryan was throwing grandmothers off

(01:00:51):
the cliff. Yes, currently heapparently found Joe Biden and threw him off
the cliffs because Joe Biden. Iobviously I'm a Trump supporter. I had
assumed Trump would win, but Iwas completely unprepared, despite the fact that
we all know that Biden is,you know, disabled mentally from his age.

(01:01:16):
I assumed when he had a weekto prepare for the debate, with
nothing else to do, no worryingabout the problems of the world in the
United States or the border, anythingelse, just focusing on one thing,
only doing the debate and getting itright, I assumed he would get it
right. And he was completely Imean from the opening question. It was

(01:01:37):
just a disaster for him. AndI know for me, the thing that
I kept that as I was watchingthe debacle unfold, I kept thinking,
you know, I started a columnbefore the debate saying, well, there
were two debates, the one wewatched and the one the mainstream media wrote

(01:02:00):
about, assuming that the mainstream mediawould just come to his defense and talk
about how great he was and howTrump was destroying democracy. But then when
the debate ended, John King spokeon Sienna and it was like, oh
my, oh no, they actuallygot it. And so from that point
on, it was two days ofunrelenting When will you know the New York

(01:02:25):
Times and the editorial board of theAtlanta Journal Constitution, you know, please
Joe step down with you can't behere. And now they've turned the corner,
you know, because Joe Biden andJoe they had their meeting at Camp
David and they put their foot downand they said, bye, gosh,
we are going to see this through. And now tonight Biden just gave a

(01:02:51):
speech to the nation from the WhiteHouse basically saying that the Supreme Court is
rogue and again saying that Trump isdangerous and and you know he's good.
Constitute common sense, demonstrate that thatboops. I think we've got some audio
coming in from another another source righthere. Hang on, let me see

(01:03:14):
if yeah, Sendor Kennedy is prettygood. All right, I think that
audio is gone now, I thinkFrank, thank you, Uh, Frank,
let me ask you this. Youmentioned this in the in your story
about the debate. At one pointyou make and I was very critical of
Dana Bash and Jake Tapper going intothis debate. But I think they did

(01:03:35):
a pretty good job. I thinkit was a fairly balanced approach that they
took to the debate. Do youagree absolutely? I mean, it was
definitely one of my expectations that wasdashed was that they would, you know,
they would bigfoot it and and tryto become the story as they put
Trump in his place. But somebodyhigher up at CNN said, we're not

(01:03:57):
doing fact checking. And when theydid new fact checking, when they just
played it down the middle and letthe candidates answer, they they took away,
you know, this this element ofaiding Biden that we all expected would
be there. And you know,essentially, when I've done debates as a

(01:04:20):
moderator for Senate candidates here in Montanaor House representatives. I you know,
people would say, oh, FrankNeely is doing the debate, it's going
to be very biased. He's goingto help the Republican But no, I
had tough questions for both and Ilet them answer the questions. And that's

(01:04:42):
the job of the moderator. It'snot it's not to bigfoot, like I
said. And they did a goodjob. And now you know they're they're
back pedaling because they they now aredoing their fact checks after the fact and
trying to trying to make themselves spear. Frank, what about this effort.

(01:05:04):
I've always been told that first impressionsare very difficult to overcome. A lot
of the American people saw that,really, I think their first impression of
the mental capabilities and the physical statusof Joe Biden during that debate. How
difficult is it going to be overcomethat prosecute a president not criminally for an

(01:05:27):
official act. It can We're tryingto figure out where that's by the way,
because we have no idea. Allright, all right, I think
that's great. That was exactly whatPresident Trump was hoping for, coming from
my studio, I'm told, butI don't see any button that's up like
that, so we'll have to checkout. I'm sorry. Let's go back

(01:05:50):
to the first impression question, Frank, how difficult now between now and November
fifth, is it going to befor Joe Biden to overcome that ugly first
impression left in the mouths of alot of American voters. Well, you
think you would think it would beimpossible. But I remember back in twenty

(01:06:12):
twenty, twenty nineteen, probably evenwhen I was watching Joe Biden, do
you know, when he was notin his COVID basement, when he was
doing interviews even on zoom and watchinghow befuddled and disconnected he was. I
wrote a column then saying, JoeBiden has just disqualified himself, And the

(01:06:35):
next thing I know, he's presidentwith eighty one million votes. So I'm
I hate to say I don't haveany confidence in the American voters, but
I don't have a lot of confidencein the American voters to get it right.
So far, the polls look great. Trump has never let in a
poll before in the two previous races, so the fact that he's ahead by

(01:06:58):
three, four or five points.It's a really good sign. But you
know, the Democrats have a wayof, you know, undermining issues so
that they become strong Democrat issues nowhere there. You know, they're Biden
has been trying to pull the democracyis in danger card for a while.

(01:07:20):
But Trump is a head in thepolls on that that he's better at defending
democracy. And I don't know,maybe maybe the people see it, Maybe
maybe they're not going to be fooled. Well, you would hope, yeah,
you would hope they see it,because there's no doubt that the Democrats
are going to run on January sixth. They're going to run on this immunity
case against the Supreme Court. They'regoing to run on the abortion issue.

(01:07:43):
They can't run on the economy,they can't run on immigration. The American
people say, hey, our twomost important issues right now are the economy
and immigration. So how do theDemocrats overcome that and stress these other issues
which the American people may be abit concerned about them, but not as
much as they are about food pricesat the grocery store. Well, apparently
they're going to run with this ideathat Trump is a liar and he lacks

(01:08:08):
character. The problem is that Bidenis a liar and he lacks character,
and you know, hopefully Trump's campaign, will you put an advertising campaign together
that will display that Biden is aliar and display that he is, you
know, not to be trusted withpower to the boarder that you brought up

(01:08:29):
being the most prominent. You knowthe fact that these young girls being murdered
and raped, and you know it'sall unnecessary and the only thing that the
Democrats and Biden have to say aboutit is well, most of them are
okay. As if the loss ofthese innocent lives is okay, it's acceptable.

(01:08:51):
You know, it's a minor consequenceof a policy that's so important.
What's so important about bringing a legalaliens in our country? Nobody has explained
that. Yeah, final question foryou, Frank, I think you just
mentioned Montana. That's where you areright now. What's your take on the
Tester she he race are the Republicanwho's going to get that seat? Never

(01:09:14):
count John Tester out. He isthe sneakiest guy. I mean, there's
no way he should have won anyof his races, and he always pulls
something out. The libertarian candidate wasused once to steal votes from the Republican
and he, you know, hehas the most despicable advertising campaign going against

(01:09:42):
him, sheehey, calling him shady, she heat and implying that because this
guy is a businessman who made money, but he moved here seven years ago
to Montana, therefore he's a carpetbagger. He's he's cheating, he's lying.
He wow. No matter what,they don't they don't ever explain it,
really, they just they just saythey have all these people, you know,

(01:10:04):
one after another saying, well,you know, Tim, she's a
liar, Tim, she did this, And then the tester comes on with
I'm John Tester, and I approvethis message. Well, if John Tester
approves that kind of character assassination,please Lord send him away. You don't

(01:10:25):
need him in Montana. You're gonnabe an interesting race to watch. Frank
is always great having you on theshow. Appreciate your time tonight. Thank
you, Rod, You enjoy yourself. All right. That's Frank Meely,
a columnist, a real clear politicstalking about the debate and what's going on
in Montana, a critical race inthe possibility of a Republicans gaining regaining control

(01:10:45):
of the US Senate. All right, more coming up right here on the
Rod Or Can't Show and Utah's TalkRadio one oh five nine k NRS.
We talked a lot today about KamalaHarris. You know, would it be
different for Joe Biden and his decisionmaking if he had confidence that his vice
president could win a race against DonaldTrump? I don't think he has that
confidence right now because of Kamala Harris. But is she as unpopular among voters

(01:11:13):
as many people believe. Well,joining us on our newsmaker line with a
different opinion on that is Leslie Eastman, writer at the Legal Insurrection, Leslie,
thanks for joining us tonight. Isshe as unpopular as a lot of
us believe she is? Well,here's my thinking. When I noticed Biden's
dementia during the debates, I reallyhave to question whether or not Kamala Harris

(01:11:40):
is not a reasonable replacement for him. And while we're told she's unpopular,
given the amount of misinformation we've beengiven about Biden's mental condition, about COVID
and its policies, and about variousissues coming from this administration, how much
gas flighting and misinformation and wives havebeen sprankly told about the American puplany by

(01:12:02):
to the American public, Can wereally assume that Kamala Harris is so unpopular?
And I'm saying no. And oneof the data points I provide in
a recent piece I have on thesubject is the response she got at the
US Air Force Academy graduation. Becauseshe was the keynote speaker, then she

(01:12:27):
gave a very cohesive, dignified presidentialdare I say it addressed to the parents
and cadets at that academy, didn'tslur her words, shook every cadet's haund
In other words, gave a realintelligent person, person personable appearance, and

(01:12:49):
was very much in control of theentire situation. And that is I think
an important message because a lot ofour audience just sees clips about her word
salads and about her various challenges onthe public appearance. And that's great,
but that is very limited. Arewe really getting the full story on Kamalala

(01:13:12):
Harris or are other players in theadministration, specifically Biden's perhaps or the Obamas,
the Clintons, or even people whowant to put Gavin News into place
not giving us the full information weneed on how popular or efficient she might
be in that role because quite frankly, the best way to remove Biden is

(01:13:34):
now through Kamala Harris taking over theposition to president, and she is far
more capable to being president right nowthan Biden is. And I really really
argue that Biden and his condition isa national security threat to the point he
needs to be removed. The Americanpublic voted in Biden and Harris to run

(01:13:59):
the Oval office. We did notvote in Jill Biden to assume the powers
of the presidency. If Biden cannothandle the job, it is not up
to Jill Biden to do that job. It is up to Kamala Harris to
take over that position, and theDemocrats can find a new vice president and
do have smooth transition to power completelyconstitutionally, and this is the only way

(01:14:23):
forward. To quickly remove somebody whocan clearly no longer do the job jeopardizes
every single relationship we have with friendsand allies and makes us a big target
among our people who are adversaries.Leslie, So do you think the administration
or the Biden camp, maybe thosethe Obama camp and maybe some other Democrats

(01:14:45):
are gaslighting the American people about KamalaHarris because if we look down on her,
it will make the case to keepJoe in office a little bit stronger.
Do you think that's what may betaking place? Yes, exactly what
I think is take making plays.I'm not again that's just a conjecture,
but I would really offer that peopleshould watch the full US Air Force Academy

(01:15:08):
graduation address and making a very fullyinformed decision on just how confident they Harris
is compared to Joe Biden. Ithink you'll come to the same conclusion I
did, that Kamala Harris should bethe one in charge of the football dealing
out the nuclear codes and actually tohave Biden continue on is an insult to

(01:15:30):
every single world leader that is beingmeeting with him. It's just like it's
a laughing stock. We're not respectingour friends and allies by keeping him in
this position, and we are alsoit is also cruel to Biden at this
point as well. What are conservativesunderestimating her? In your opinion, I'm

(01:15:53):
going to say I think every Ican't say underestimate. We don't believe concern
just don't believe in the same policies. And I will not say Kamala Harris
will ever be the optimum president.But there was a case in history where
when the President John Garfield got assassinated, they had a vice president, Chester

(01:16:15):
Arthur, who moved into position.Now, Chester Arthur was supposed to be
eye candy and decoration and was supposedto really continue on the political appointments and
gravy train of actions being done atthat time to hand out administrative candies.
He switched over and became a realbig civil service advocate because once he took

(01:16:40):
on the responsibilities of the presidency,he rose to the occasion. I would
say it's best at this point toallow Kamala Harris to rise to the occasion
because it's better for our country,better for our security. And I don't
care which party you belong to.You can't make the calculation, well,
well, well here shouldn't be inbecause maybe it life makes life challenging for

(01:17:01):
Trump. At this point, we'reall in danger. It's a better for
the country as a whole to letgo of party, to give Kamala Harris
a chance to do what she cando. She is the only one between
the two right now who is capableof actually discharging presidential duties. Biden clearly
is not, and nor should hiswife Key in a position to dictate policy.

(01:17:26):
Yeah, that's a whole nother discussion, Leslie. At this time,
final question for you, Lessie,how do you think right now Kamala Harris
feels about everything going on? Simplybecause of the fact people are talking about
Joe getting out of the race,Democrats finding somebody different. Her name comes
up, but there are other peoplewho are talking about maybe Gavin Newsom or
Gretchen Whitmer at a mixtion. Howdo you think she feels when she hears

(01:17:48):
that talk? Well, I can'tbelieve it's good, and I feel for
her because I again, we can'tdo anything. We've been told that Joe
Biden was ready and ready to goand quick witted and sharp and on tact,
and then we saw the debate andsee, we can't believe anything we're

(01:18:10):
being told. So I think Harrisis very probably likely frustrated. But you
know, we have the Democrats havea chance of Biden's step aside to clear
the plate and find a new candidate. Plenty of time to do that,
but the Biden needs to go forthe sake of the country, and I

(01:18:31):
don't care if Harris is in theOval office for four months or four more
years. You know, it isjust better for us that we take care
of business now. On our newsmakerline, Leslie Eastman, writer Legal Insurrection,
talking about Kamala Harris and her popularityor lack thereof. Now when we
come back, as we get readyto celebrate America's birthday, we'll talk about

(01:18:54):
the true meaning of freedom? Whatdoes it mean? Actually, that's coming
up right here on the rod Ourcant in Utah's talk Ritingo one O five
nine. Can r s. It'sthe time of year that we talk about,
you know, America, as wecelebrate our birthday, what are we
two for? Something like that willbe at two fifty here in a couple

(01:19:16):
of years. But what about thetrue meaning of freedom? What exactly does
freedom mean? Joining us on ournewsmaker line to talk about that is Catherine
Lopez, she writes for town Hall. Catherine, always great to have you
on the show. How do peopledefine or what do they think freedom is?
Actually? Catherine? Yeah, absolutely, you know so often it's it's

(01:19:42):
considered this radical individualism or even evendenying truth. Sometimes freedom is considered libertinism.
You know, I used to inmy youth go to uh Seapack,

(01:20:05):
and I would notice that every yearthe biggest constituency for Ron Paul Rance,
Paul's father, who is a longtimecongressman, were twenty something or less boys.

(01:20:29):
And I think they got that thatfreedom meant doing whatever you want,
and liberty, libertarianism was doing whateveryou want. But it's it's a little
more subtle than that, and it'salso a little bit more nuanced than that,
and it's also a little bit moredebated than that. You can look

(01:20:50):
at Reason magazine, for instance,when you talk about libertarianism, and a
Stephanie Slade is a wonderful writer there, and I don't I don't consider myself
a libertarian it but she is apro life Catholic who writes who makes the

(01:21:10):
case basically for for how being prolife can be libertarianism. And and I
joked that the libertarians are so trueto their their their creed that they even
lot the pro life Catholic in uh. But but when it comes to freedom,

(01:21:31):
we hear it a lot in termsof abortion right choice. And I
think that's such a great example becauseso often the girl or the woman doesn't
know what her choices are. Louisianahas a consent law and forms consent law.
I've had on the books for awhile and basically, no woman can

(01:21:56):
get to the point of an abortionor they know where the crisis pregnancy centers
are, the adoption to adoption andand and that's super critical. And we're
lying about choice if if she's notaware of all the choices and the freedom

(01:22:19):
freedom. Really, I was struck. There's a recent book your listeners may
have heard of by Rob Henderson calledTroubles, Yeah, and one of the
things, and he was he wasin bad, bad, bad family situation,
wound up in foster care, manyhomes. There was something like seven

(01:22:42):
homes and seven years or something,and when he finally gets into a home,
that's the big old mess too aftera bit. But one of the
things that I just found so beautiful. And he doesn't write in religious terms,
but I think God was watching outfor him because he tells during the

(01:23:03):
story about how during the course ofthe book how he could have wound up
taking really bad drugs but he neverdid and it was almost like God was
protecting him. But again, hedoesn't put it that way, but I
do. But At one point inthe book, he explains that somebody at

(01:23:27):
school, a teacher at school,was in the military, and he suggested
that maybe Henderson should go go inthe military. And he talks about later
on how he appreciated that giving beingfree sometimes means choosing to give up your

(01:23:49):
freedom or some of your freedoms.He knew that there were disciplines that he
needed that he didn't have, andso to use his freedom to say,
yeah, hey, I'm going tosign up for this is That's that's real
freedom, you know, discerning whatis best. And that's sure surely not

(01:24:15):
how we think about it. It'sthe barbecue, you know. Catherine,
in your in your article, youyou quote Edith Stein, uh and uh
some comments she made and I oneof them. I really like she she
talked about, you know, butas a Catholic convert, Uh, she
had a new found awe for thepower and grace that comes from using freedom.

(01:24:40):
Well I've never heard that expression.How do we use freedom? Well,
well, you know, she obviouslyhad. She was a religious sister
ultimately, and she obviously considered whatGod's will was for her. And do
you think if you're you're you know, a believer. For you're a person

(01:25:00):
of faith. That's that's critical,right, praying and and and and asking
God to guide you. You know, she's she's another example of someone who
gave up her freedom. You know, she she joined the Carmelites when she
converted to Cabblicism. She was anethnic Jew, and and she she didn't

(01:25:30):
hide it, she didn't try toget out of her ultimate faith, which
was being murdered at Ashwitz. Andin in her case, I think there
was a a knowledge that you know, her people were were being killed and

(01:25:55):
she in solidarity, needed to talkwith them, you know, be a
part of that that experience, whichis a really courageous thing to do.
I mean, using using freedom well, I think is involves a tremendous amount
of courage. And I don't thinkwe you know, we think of that

(01:26:16):
in terms of people in the military, and you know, you know,
we just celebrated the D Day anniversaryand all of that, but in our
in our daily lives, you know, freedom freedom means you know, giving
up that advice that you you know, kind of know you should give up,
right or I think that's part ofusing it well, like you know,

(01:26:43):
disciplining yourself in different ways that maybehelp your health. You know,
that's using freedom well. I thinkI think also, you know, I
I Rob Henderson was in foster care, has has such powerful testimony. You
know, do we welcome people intoour homes, especially older kids in in

(01:27:09):
foster care? You know, that'ssomething to discern. And it's about freedom.
You know, maybe you have twochildren and you know they're about out
of the house, and if youif you considered maybe fostering a child,
that's that's giving up some mere freedom, right you know, if the kids

(01:27:33):
are at or you're almost empty andnesters you you know, you could be
traveling the world and all of thesethings. I think using freedom well is
asking hard questions and looking at needsyours and others. And and I do

(01:27:53):
think you know, in some insome way, if politics is so maddening
and frustrating right now, but ifyou if we all kind of meditated on
you know, okay, what isfreedom? How could I use my freedom
better? Things look look different atleast on the the the uh you know,

(01:28:18):
civil society level, you know,and even the family level. And
on our Newsmaker line. That's CatherineLopez, of course, she is a
writer for the National Review Online,talking about the true meaning of freedom as
we celebrate freedom with our July fourthholiday coming up on Thursday. More coming

(01:28:38):
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the fourth of July and get readyfor the rest of the week. Also
coming up on July fifteenth, CitizenHughes myself will be live in Milwaukee,
broadcasting live from the Republican National Conventionas a setting known for its beer and
brats, and now they will makeit official that Donald Trump is a Republican

(01:29:43):
choice to be president of the UnitedStates. Greg and I will be broadcasting
live from Milwaukee all through the conventionstarting on Monday through Donald Trump's closing remarks
on Thursday night. That's coming upin a couple of weeks, so you'll
want to make sure you tune in. By the way, Joe Biden,
this is part of an effort toget Biden in front of the American people
following that disastrous debate last Thursday night. He made his first major appearance since

(01:30:11):
the debate performance just about an hourhour and a half ago, where he
gave some brief remarks on the SupremeCourt's presidential immunity decision that was released earlier
in the day. Biden spoke forjust about five minutes from a teleprompter,
by the way, on the courtfinding that presidents have immunity from criminal prosecution.

(01:30:31):
The Court ruled in favor of thattoday and the Democrats are going crazy
over that decision. Now, beforeI leave tonight, we've had time to
play this. I want to playfor you again. A comment and analysis
made by the numbers guru at CNN. His name is Harry Enton, and
a poll released after the debate onThursday night shows that seventy two percent of

(01:30:58):
the American people feel that Biden isno longer fit to serve in the White
House. Listen to how Entin brokethese numbers down. Voters who say that
Biden has the mental health to bepresident. It was just thirty five percent
pre debate. Look where it's droppedto now post debate, twenty seven percent.
How about that he should be runningfor president? It was thirty seven
percent pre debate, it's now twentyeight percent. I have never seen numbers

(01:31:21):
this bad for an incumbent president duringmy lifetime. I mean that mental health
to be president just twenty seven percent. You might say, okay, you
know that's low, but a lotof people thought Biden was too old.
Back in twenty twenty. These numberslooked nothing like this back in twenty twenty.
These numbers are bad already, andthe truth is thousand they have gotten

(01:31:41):
just considerably worse, even in justa few days after that first presidential debate.
Now, rev Democrats are saying,well, what about Ronald Reagan?
After his first debate age was anissue then right well in nineteen eighty four
after his first debate, age wasan issue for about twenty seven percent of
voters when it came to Ronald Reaganand the age issue now for Joe Biden
after his first debate. Seventy twopercent of the American people say age is

(01:32:08):
a real issue for Joe Biden inthis presidential campaign. No comparison between Ronald
Reagan after his first debate and JoeBiden after his first debate. Last Thursday,

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