July 19, 2021 • 13 mins
RUSH: Snerdley actually reminded me of this in the break. When the Republicans won the House in 1994, they had their orientation at Camden Yards, the ballpark in Baltimore. I was invited to address the freshman class of the 1994 Republican congressional caucus, because those freshmen members in large part thought that I was responsible for their victory given the program at the time and discussing their candidacies all over the country and so forth. They made me an honorary member of the freshman class of 1994, actually ’95 when they were inaugurated. They asked me to come down and make a speech to them. I went down there to the Camden Yards. This was on C-SPAN, and I got up, and one of the things I said to them was, ?Do not fall for the temptation that the media here in this town is happy that you won and happy that you’re here. They are not. This is a Democrat-run town. It’s a liberal-run town, and you have gotten in the way of the natural order of things — and as such, you are going to be treated accordingly. You are going to continue to be treated, really, as the minority.?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Snerd La actually reminded me of this in the break.
When the Republicans won the House in they had their
orientation at Camden Yards the Bullpark in Baltimore, and UH,
I was invited to address the freshman class of the
Republican Congressional Caucus because those those freshman members, in large
(00:25):
part I thought that I was responsible for their victory,
given the program at the time and and discussing their
candidacies all over the country and so forth. And they
made me an honorary member of the freshman class of
this UH actually when they when they were inaugurated, but
they asked me to come down and make speech to him.
(00:48):
And I went down there to Camden Yards and this
was on c SPAN, and I got up. But one
of the things I said to them was, do not
fall for the temptation that the media here in this
town is happy that you won and they're happy that
you're here. They're not. This is a Democrat run town,
it's a liberal run town. And you have gotten in
(01:11):
the way of the natural order of things, and as such,
you are going to be treated accordingly. You're going to
be continually be treated really as the minority. I said
that the cameras and microphones are still going to seek
out the Democrats for what they think is what's going on,
because the impression will be conveyed that they still run
the town. Do not think that any media member that
(01:31):
calls you up and wants to take you to lunch
is doing it because they like you, And they're not
doing it because they're making interested in making you look good,
and they're not. They don't want to get to know
you so that they can publicize what it is you're
working on in a favorable light. They want to sandbag you. Uh.
As you're gonna have some of these delicious little reporter
(01:53):
AT's and info babes. I said, Coke Robert's gonna call
you up, It's gonna back those big eyelashes at you. Uh,
and a lot of other infobabe is gonna do the same.
And Coke Roberts actually send me a note after that
when she heard about it, said let's go to lunch.
Bat the eyebrows at me. Uh never did, although I
(02:16):
met her later. Anyway, I'm reminded of that when when
I when I when I see what happened here? Uh,
In in large part what got Libby in trouble talking
to reporters. Now, the administration of Republican administrations caught between uh,
rock and a hard place here, because they have to
(02:36):
talk to report. The administration cannot dissociate itself from the
from the national media. They've got to talk to NBC,
they got to go on and meet the press. They
have to talk to the New York Times. Uh. The
problem is, I think, looking at this in hindsight, is
that many in the Republican administrations think they can spend
(02:58):
these people. They think they can turn them into friends,
turn them into supporters. It is. It is one of
the things that I guess, this is one of the
reasons I don't want to work in that town, and
I don't want to spend too much time there, because
it's seductive and you get caught up in it. Uh.
That town as many things. Of course, it's national capital,
it's the center power. It's also a place largely defined
(03:21):
by the social pecking order, and Conservatives and Republicans are
never ever gonna be high up in the social pecking order, unless,
of course, their Supreme Court justices who turn lib and
then they'll get great puff pieces written about them in
the Washington post style section, and that's how the process
begins at turning them. Uh. But given all of that,
why anybody in the administration would think that they're going
(03:45):
to be dealt with fairly by media people that are
out to undermine them something I will never understand. You
can say whatever you want to say about Bill Clinton,
but the one thing that you have to say about
him and his wife is they are ruthless and they
will not put up with double crossers. I'm not talking
(04:06):
about the media now and within their own administration. Uh,
They're not gonna put up with people sandbagging them or
undermining them. If if that happens, all hell is brought
down on these people in a number of different ways,
which is why there haven't been any Clinton Tell All books.
That's why a guy like Sandy Burglar would risk his
reputation in jail time to go in and do whatever
(04:26):
he did the National Archives to make sure that the
Clinton administration end up looking good when the nine eleven
Commission started looking at the things that happened prior to
nine eleven. Uh, this administration is not ruthless in anyway.
It doesn't punish or penalized people that attempt to undermine it. Uh.
And it it seems to accept that you can talk
(04:49):
to reporters from the Post, in the New York Times
and these networks and get a fair shake. As I say,
you can't not talk to him. Uh. And of course
when the Wilson story breaks and he writes his op ed,
that's full of lies. Uh. The administration is what we
gotta we gotta refute this, and it was in the
New York Times. So you start trying to refute the
fact Cheney didn't send the guy, as he's saying, was
(05:10):
the caseum, which was a big thing, and that did
come out in the trial. Wilson was trying to make
it known to anybody the Vice President's office sent him
into jail and they didn't. When he when he comes
back right his oup ed, they're all saying in a
White House, who's this guy? And cool to see how
this guy end up over there? We didn't do this.
And that's when it was learned at Valerie Plame work there,
and Valerie Plame recommended her husband to go. And then
(05:31):
you've got the political connections to those two have, and
there you know whatever their political and ideological orientations are.
And Bamo you've you've got to You've got a a giant,
you know, inter agency game of sabotage going on here. Uh.
This kind of thing was just not permitted in the
Clinton White House. They just wouldn't put up with it.
Nobody had the guts to even try it. Uh. But
(05:54):
you when you, when you have a desire to work
with these people and try to spend and convert them
into a liking you. And I'm gonna tell you, I
don't care whether that's in politics or just in in
in any avenue of personal life. If your prime objective
is to make somebody like you, you've lost. That's not
(06:16):
especially if they don't. And the and the idea to
try to turn them, uh and explain your way of things.
I don't understand the naivete these reporters show up for
interviews conversations with Republican officials, administration, congressman senators with their
stories already written, their minds already made up, because they
have a prejudice about what Republicans and Conservatives are. And
(06:37):
so the whole the whole point of of of talking
to members the administration and Republicans otherwise to trip them up.
And what happened here. Russer, Matt Cooper, Judith Miller. It's
a bunch of journalists at the center, it is, and
what Libby told them and in the FBI and the
grand jury and so forth. But I mean this jury
(06:59):
that came out and talked said they had a lot
of sympathy for Judath Miller. The The New York Times
in full Babe ended up in jail for not revealing
her sources to Fitzgerald. Uh. Juror said, well, I really
felt sorry for her. The defense was just just pounding.
It was it was. It was just they were just
too hard on her. Um, you don't hit the girl
(07:22):
is one characteristic or aspect of that. But until until
people learn that you know you you you, You're not
gonna be able to bring a bunch of reporters in
from Washington or New York and explain conservatism or your
policy and have a sympathetic ear or even an ear
that wants to understand what you're trying to do beyond
(07:43):
me and why they keep thinking they can do this,
Uh is also beyond me. And I know what you say, well,
what would you do? Well, you have to talk to
my understand and a presidential administration has to talk to me,
have to do press conferences and and you you have
to do all this. Uh, I myself have had experience
(08:04):
dealing with these people, as you know. Uh. And give
an example, and I can give you many. Yesterday, after
the program, we got a phone call from a cable
news network and they wanted to take five seconds of
what I said about the end Culter Kerfuffel and use
it all afternoon and all night last night. Now, I
(08:27):
spoke for fourteen minutes on the end Culter Kerfuffel, and
the five seconds they wanted to take was totally out
of context and was uh irrelevant, but it fit they're
preconceived notion in prejudice about what the holy end culter
thing was about five seconds out of fourteen. But the
(08:48):
same thing happened with the Michael J. Fax that people say, well,
how come you don't go on these places and get
your side of it? Why don't you going to explain yourself.
I've learned that that that's not what happens. We denied
permission for them to use the five seconds that they
wanted to use yesterday. I don't know if they ended
up trying to use it anyway. I didn't. I didn't
(09:09):
didn't watch. I didn't get any email read. Normally, when
I appear on a cable news network somewhere, somebody sends
me an email rush righth rsh I saw you I
or Factor Afternoon. I didn't get any of that. But
I don't talk to him much because here's an example.
(09:29):
I'll give you another example of the New Yorker Jane Mayer,
who with Jill Abramson, who is the bureau chief of
New York Times Washington, I think, wrote a book about
Clarence Thomas and just smeared the guy. And she was
going to do a story in The New Yorker about
twenty four and so forth, and it was going to
be a basically a profile of Joel Cerno. And I
(09:55):
was told that she wanted to talk to me about
this because she knew that I was friend of SnO.
So I called some people who already talked to her
and found out that basically it was a story on
how the program promoting torture and you're just going to
be a treatise and torture. So I called her into
those circuits knowing what this was about, and I talked
(10:16):
to her for about twenty minutes, and the first fifteen
were purely social. I'd been on a TV show with
her wants but wait, wait, wait, way back, Bob Beckle
hosted a local TV show in Washington, the panel show
I Eat the McLaughlin Group, Like that night had appeared
on the show where and she remembered that, and uh,
and I have a good memory. I remembered that she
had to hustle out of there and go play tennis.
(10:36):
And I reminded her of that, and she was, oh, wow, yeah, yeah,
you're right, You're right about it. She congratulated me and
all my success, How wonderful it all was blah bla,
talking about understand your friends with Joel, understand he had
a party at your house for when um she was
she was in the mall with her daughter, shopping on
her cell phone, wasn't taking any notes, and then starts
(10:58):
asking me about torture. You know, the last five minute,
the last five minutes of what she really wanted my
thoughts on and all this other stuff was you know,
just just set up, knowing full well that it was
about torture. I you know, did my best, and I
was honest, and I did my best to tell her,
I think, you know you're barking up a tree here,
that it's got no branches on it. But that's just
(11:19):
that the story was written before it was published. Is
the point? So well? I can't figure out is why
other people are not as I'm not trying to give
myself credit. This has been learned by experience. It's no
great insight of mine. I look at I got, I
got sandbaged. I can't tell you how many times the
(11:39):
first five years of this show, thinking you could be nice,
fair and just be honest, and they will, they will
report what you say. It's it's not that way with us.
This it doesn't happen then, So why other people don't
figure this out? This is why I get so fed
up when I see some of my conservative brethren in
the d C media trying to curry favor with the
drive by media. That's why I get so bent out
(12:01):
of shape when I see potential Republican candidates and elected
officials trying to make the media they're best friends, because
it's it's it's all temporary. Even if it works for
a while, it's all I get se come back and
the media is gonna end up stabbing you ask Senator McCain. Uh,
you know, they're dumping on him after him being their
favorite Republican for four years. And is why it irritates
(12:23):
me when elected Republicans go on Sunday shows and trash
their own party and their own president just curry favor
with these people. But in this case, you have the
administration talking to them, and they have to talk to them.
But to think that there was a chance that the administrations,
especially on this subject, the war in a rock, Uh,
(12:47):
there's just a different way to approach him, you know,
approach him. You know, they walk into the office or
you meet him for lunch or whatever. And and just
I know why you're here, Mr reporter. You're here to
sandbag the administration. You're here to do us wrong. You're
here to lie about us blah blah, put him on
the defensive. Uh. And Uh. The last thing they want
is for you to peg them. The last thing they
(13:08):
want is for you to be able to know it
and then say what they're gonna do and then have
them do it. It has worked for me in the past,
but I don't even find it interesting enough to have
time to do it anymore. But why this administration thinks
that they can sit down and talk to these people
and they're gonna fair shake beyond me,
Snerd La actually reminded me of this in the break.
When the Republicans won the House in they had their
orientation at Camden Yards the Bullpark in Baltimore, and UH,
I was invited to address the freshman class of the
Republican Congressional Caucus because those those freshman members, in large
(00:25):
part I thought that I was responsible for their victory,
given the program at the time and and discussing their
candidacies all over the country and so forth. And they
made me an honorary member of the freshman class of
this UH actually when they when they were inaugurated, but
they asked me to come down and make speech to him.
(00:48):
And I went down there to Camden Yards and this
was on c SPAN, and I got up. But one
of the things I said to them was, do not
fall for the temptation that the media here in this
town is happy that you won and they're happy that
you're here. They're not. This is a Democrat run town,
it's a liberal run town. And you have gotten in
(01:11):
the way of the natural order of things, and as such,
you are going to be treated accordingly. You're going to
be continually be treated really as the minority. I said
that the cameras and microphones are still going to seek
out the Democrats for what they think is what's going on,
because the impression will be conveyed that they still run
the town. Do not think that any media member that
(01:31):
calls you up and wants to take you to lunch
is doing it because they like you, And they're not
doing it because they're making interested in making you look good,
and they're not. They don't want to get to know
you so that they can publicize what it is you're
working on in a favorable light. They want to sandbag you. Uh.
As you're gonna have some of these delicious little reporter
(01:53):
AT's and info babes. I said, Coke Robert's gonna call
you up, It's gonna back those big eyelashes at you. Uh,
and a lot of other infobabe is gonna do the same.
And Coke Roberts actually send me a note after that
when she heard about it, said let's go to lunch.
Bat the eyebrows at me. Uh never did, although I
(02:16):
met her later. Anyway, I'm reminded of that when when
I when I when I see what happened here? Uh,
In in large part what got Libby in trouble talking
to reporters. Now, the administration of Republican administrations caught between uh,
rock and a hard place here, because they have to
(02:36):
talk to report. The administration cannot dissociate itself from the
from the national media. They've got to talk to NBC,
they got to go on and meet the press. They
have to talk to the New York Times. Uh. The
problem is, I think, looking at this in hindsight, is
that many in the Republican administrations think they can spend
(02:58):
these people. They think they can turn them into friends,
turn them into supporters. It is. It is one of
the things that I guess, this is one of the
reasons I don't want to work in that town, and
I don't want to spend too much time there, because
it's seductive and you get caught up in it. Uh.
That town as many things. Of course, it's national capital,
it's the center power. It's also a place largely defined
(03:21):
by the social pecking order, and Conservatives and Republicans are
never ever gonna be high up in the social pecking order, unless,
of course, their Supreme Court justices who turn lib and
then they'll get great puff pieces written about them in
the Washington post style section, and that's how the process
begins at turning them. Uh. But given all of that,
why anybody in the administration would think that they're going
(03:45):
to be dealt with fairly by media people that are
out to undermine them something I will never understand. You
can say whatever you want to say about Bill Clinton,
but the one thing that you have to say about
him and his wife is they are ruthless and they
will not put up with double crossers. I'm not talking
(04:06):
about the media now and within their own administration. Uh,
They're not gonna put up with people sandbagging them or
undermining them. If if that happens, all hell is brought
down on these people in a number of different ways,
which is why there haven't been any Clinton Tell All books.
That's why a guy like Sandy Burglar would risk his
reputation in jail time to go in and do whatever
(04:26):
he did the National Archives to make sure that the
Clinton administration end up looking good when the nine eleven
Commission started looking at the things that happened prior to
nine eleven. Uh, this administration is not ruthless in anyway.
It doesn't punish or penalized people that attempt to undermine it. Uh.
And it it seems to accept that you can talk
(04:49):
to reporters from the Post, in the New York Times
and these networks and get a fair shake. As I say,
you can't not talk to him. Uh. And of course
when the Wilson story breaks and he writes his op ed,
that's full of lies. Uh. The administration is what we
gotta we gotta refute this, and it was in the
New York Times. So you start trying to refute the
fact Cheney didn't send the guy, as he's saying, was
(05:10):
the caseum, which was a big thing, and that did
come out in the trial. Wilson was trying to make
it known to anybody the Vice President's office sent him
into jail and they didn't. When he when he comes
back right his oup ed, they're all saying in a
White House, who's this guy? And cool to see how
this guy end up over there? We didn't do this.
And that's when it was learned at Valerie Plame work there,
and Valerie Plame recommended her husband to go. And then
(05:31):
you've got the political connections to those two have, and
there you know whatever their political and ideological orientations are.
And Bamo you've you've got to You've got a a giant,
you know, inter agency game of sabotage going on here. Uh.
This kind of thing was just not permitted in the
Clinton White House. They just wouldn't put up with it.
Nobody had the guts to even try it. Uh. But
(05:54):
you when you, when you have a desire to work
with these people and try to spend and convert them
into a liking you. And I'm gonna tell you, I
don't care whether that's in politics or just in in
in any avenue of personal life. If your prime objective
is to make somebody like you, you've lost. That's not
(06:16):
especially if they don't. And the and the idea to
try to turn them, uh and explain your way of things.
I don't understand the naivete these reporters show up for
interviews conversations with Republican officials, administration, congressman senators with their
stories already written, their minds already made up, because they
have a prejudice about what Republicans and Conservatives are. And
(06:37):
so the whole the whole point of of of talking
to members the administration and Republicans otherwise to trip them up.
And what happened here. Russer, Matt Cooper, Judith Miller. It's
a bunch of journalists at the center, it is, and
what Libby told them and in the FBI and the
grand jury and so forth. But I mean this jury
(06:59):
that came out and talked said they had a lot
of sympathy for Judath Miller. The The New York Times
in full Babe ended up in jail for not revealing
her sources to Fitzgerald. Uh. Juror said, well, I really
felt sorry for her. The defense was just just pounding.
It was it was. It was just they were just
too hard on her. Um, you don't hit the girl
(07:22):
is one characteristic or aspect of that. But until until
people learn that you know you you you, You're not
gonna be able to bring a bunch of reporters in
from Washington or New York and explain conservatism or your
policy and have a sympathetic ear or even an ear
that wants to understand what you're trying to do beyond
(07:43):
me and why they keep thinking they can do this,
Uh is also beyond me. And I know what you say, well,
what would you do? Well, you have to talk to
my understand and a presidential administration has to talk to me,
have to do press conferences and and you you have
to do all this. Uh, I myself have had experience
(08:04):
dealing with these people, as you know. Uh. And give
an example, and I can give you many. Yesterday, after
the program, we got a phone call from a cable
news network and they wanted to take five seconds of
what I said about the end Culter Kerfuffel and use
it all afternoon and all night last night. Now, I
(08:27):
spoke for fourteen minutes on the end Culter Kerfuffel, and
the five seconds they wanted to take was totally out
of context and was uh irrelevant, but it fit they're
preconceived notion in prejudice about what the holy end culter
thing was about five seconds out of fourteen. But the
(08:48):
same thing happened with the Michael J. Fax that people say, well,
how come you don't go on these places and get
your side of it? Why don't you going to explain yourself.
I've learned that that that's not what happens. We denied
permission for them to use the five seconds that they
wanted to use yesterday. I don't know if they ended
up trying to use it anyway. I didn't. I didn't
(09:09):
didn't watch. I didn't get any email read. Normally, when
I appear on a cable news network somewhere, somebody sends
me an email rush righth rsh I saw you I
or Factor Afternoon. I didn't get any of that. But
I don't talk to him much because here's an example.
(09:29):
I'll give you another example of the New Yorker Jane Mayer,
who with Jill Abramson, who is the bureau chief of
New York Times Washington, I think, wrote a book about
Clarence Thomas and just smeared the guy. And she was
going to do a story in The New Yorker about
twenty four and so forth, and it was going to
be a basically a profile of Joel Cerno. And I
(09:55):
was told that she wanted to talk to me about
this because she knew that I was friend of SnO.
So I called some people who already talked to her
and found out that basically it was a story on
how the program promoting torture and you're just going to
be a treatise and torture. So I called her into
those circuits knowing what this was about, and I talked
(10:16):
to her for about twenty minutes, and the first fifteen
were purely social. I'd been on a TV show with
her wants but wait, wait, wait, way back, Bob Beckle
hosted a local TV show in Washington, the panel show
I Eat the McLaughlin Group, Like that night had appeared
on the show where and she remembered that, and uh,
and I have a good memory. I remembered that she
had to hustle out of there and go play tennis.
(10:36):
And I reminded her of that, and she was, oh, wow, yeah, yeah,
you're right, You're right about it. She congratulated me and
all my success, How wonderful it all was blah bla,
talking about understand your friends with Joel, understand he had
a party at your house for when um she was
she was in the mall with her daughter, shopping on
her cell phone, wasn't taking any notes, and then starts
(10:58):
asking me about torture. You know, the last five minute,
the last five minutes of what she really wanted my
thoughts on and all this other stuff was you know,
just just set up, knowing full well that it was
about torture. I you know, did my best, and I
was honest, and I did my best to tell her,
I think, you know you're barking up a tree here,
that it's got no branches on it. But that's just
(11:19):
that the story was written before it was published. Is
the point? So well? I can't figure out is why
other people are not as I'm not trying to give
myself credit. This has been learned by experience. It's no
great insight of mine. I look at I got, I
got sandbaged. I can't tell you how many times the
(11:39):
first five years of this show, thinking you could be nice,
fair and just be honest, and they will, they will
report what you say. It's it's not that way with us.
This it doesn't happen then, So why other people don't
figure this out? This is why I get so fed
up when I see some of my conservative brethren in
the d C media trying to curry favor with the
drive by media. That's why I get so bent out
(12:01):
of shape when I see potential Republican candidates and elected
officials trying to make the media they're best friends, because
it's it's it's all temporary. Even if it works for
a while, it's all I get se come back and
the media is gonna end up stabbing you ask Senator McCain. Uh,
you know, they're dumping on him after him being their
favorite Republican for four years. And is why it irritates
(12:23):
me when elected Republicans go on Sunday shows and trash
their own party and their own president just curry favor
with these people. But in this case, you have the
administration talking to them, and they have to talk to them.
But to think that there was a chance that the administrations,
especially on this subject, the war in a rock, Uh,
(12:47):
there's just a different way to approach him, you know,
approach him. You know, they walk into the office or
you meet him for lunch or whatever. And and just
I know why you're here, Mr reporter. You're here to
sandbag the administration. You're here to do us wrong. You're
here to lie about us blah blah, put him on
the defensive. Uh. And Uh. The last thing they want
is for you to peg them. The last thing they
(13:08):
want is for you to be able to know it
and then say what they're gonna do and then have
them do it. It has worked for me in the past,
but I don't even find it interesting enough to have
time to do it anymore. But why this administration thinks
that they can sit down and talk to these people
and they're gonna fair shake beyond me,
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