June 7, 2021 • 28 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of
My Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow
your Mind and listener Mail. My name is Robert Lamb
and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Monday listener mail time.
We hope you are ready to hear some messages that
have slammed into our inbox over the past few days.
(00:23):
So Rob, if you're ready, I'll jump right in on
this message from Matt about our episodes on beans. Let's
do it. Matt says, good day, fellas love the recent
bean episodes. My family and I grow corn, wheat and
soybeans here in Ontario, so I was thrilled to see
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you focus so much attention on the humble legume. I
thought I knew quite a bit about them before, but
learned much more. The mythical historical context of beans was
something I was largely unaware of and from particularly interesting.
Had a couple of thoughts. You mentioned the use of
a couple of different beans slash lagoons in the developing
plant protein market. There's a huge push here in Canada
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to capitalize on this for many different crops, particularly in
the West, lentils, chickpeas, soybeans, and a bunch more. Each
one has a lot of potential uses beyond what's already current,
and not just for food products destined for direct human consumption.
On a related note, I think looking into how useful beans, grains,
and other field crops are in industrial processing would be
(01:27):
a neat subject. Like animal byproducts, they are in many
things we use or depend on every day without realizing it.
The number of subsequent uses one particular crop can have
is another thing. For example, the use of barley grain
in beer production, then the subsequent use of the spent
mash as feed for livestock. That's interesting. One last thing.
(01:50):
The Listener mail episode contained a letter suggesting you cover
animal science. There's a lot of interesting work going on
in this field in the agricultural space. I don't know
much about the met ecal side, but that's surely pretty
interesting too, so I would similarly suggest the subject. Thanks
again for your work, Matt, Well, thanks Matt. Yeah, I
think that's a great idea. Keep growing those chickpeas, all right.
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Here's one that comes to us from Spencer. Spencer says Hi, Robert, Joe,
and Seth. I've listened to your show NonStop since, and
I adore the work y'all put out. I picked this
show up on the Alphabet and the Goddess episodes while
working on a sustainable vegetable farm, and I haven't looked back.
I recently switched from a career in farming to become
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a high school science teacher, and I can proudly say
that you were pivotal in making that decision. Sharing in
the joy of investigating curiosities across the natural world, the
expansive universe, in our fascinating inner worlds has made such
an impact on me. I only hope to bring to
my students that same level of joy and curiosity. I'm
sure your work inspires all sorts of educators across the field.
(02:59):
At which field? The bean field? Oh wait, I just realized.
I think I think I told Matt to keep growing chickpeas.
But Matt didn't say he grew chickpeas. He said he
grew corn, wheat and soybeans. Sorry, Matt, keep growing those,
whichever one you like best. Grow the soybeans, love them?
Lagoon faux pas there make me tellfu Alright, anyway, this
(03:19):
this letter continues, I have two things I'd like to
share one. I recently listened to the two parter on
beans and found myself putting my farmer hat back on. Specifically,
when you spoke about the storage capacity of the lowly
being and how crucial that was to the development of
settled civilizations, I found myself going back to June afternoons
in the North Carolina muck. We would often soak dried
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beans before planting them to assist their germination success. This
got me thinking about something that's always astounded me. How
does an inert, dried object so obstensibly not alive have
the capacity to live so vibrantly once it's in the
right conditions. I would love to hear an episode about
the magic of germ nation. Not just the mythical and
metaphorical connotations of seeds giving way to life, but how
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is it that stale, crusty seeds can suddenly burst into lush,
green platforms. That's a great idea. I feel like that's
come up in bits and pieces on subjects in the past.
I know, I know. Um. In a pair of episodes
we did about about natural fires, about like fires in
the forest, we talked about some germination that depends on
the stimulation of of a forest fire to get going. Yeah, yeah,
(04:28):
you know, you know, speaking of education and all, I
think I thought about this but ended up not mentioning
in the Beans articles Beans episodes rather, but it reminded
me of those the science experiments that I think a
lot of us uh conduct when we're children in school,
where you take the being and you have it in
the zip block bag with some like a wet paper towel,
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and then you watch that germination process take place. Uh
you know, it's it's ultimately such a you know, magical
feeling and amazing spectacle to watch, and we kind of,
I don't know, we kind of forget it over time,
We forget how how amazing it is, uh that seeds
do what they do. It reminds me of in the
office Creed sprouting mung beans on a damp paper towel
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in his desk. Oh man, we I don't think we
even't got to discussmong beans in those episodes. I had
like a few notes on mung beans and had some
a source highlighted, but I just don't think we had
time to get into it. Yeah, there are like tons
of beans we didn't have time to get into. I
guess We're coming back for three or four or five, six,
seven more episodes on beans. The beans saga continued. The
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people want it alright, Spencer continues, though he had to
two things to bring up. That was just the first
number two. I went back into the vault and rediscovered
the excellent episode on teething. In this episode, you made
a call out to educators, what is it like to
teach children how to tease? I thought i'd chime in
with a unique take. Since I've been in a one
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year teacher preparation program that started in a pandemic, I
have only interacted with my students through zoom and email.
You can imagine that impedes natural social relationships with anyone,
but I think this is especially important for young people
regarding teasing. I don't think you can tease others so
easily when you've only met online. Not to mention that
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most students keep their cameras off. Yeah, it's also difficult
to gauge someone's off the record cues for a teasing moment.
As a result, my classes have mostly taken a no
teasing policy. Sometimes a student will chime in a response
in the zoom chat to other students comments and it
just seems like bullying. There ain't much of a nuanced
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way to delineate playful from harmful teasing when you're just
working with a chat lock. Oh yeah, I can absolutely
see that. Um. Obviously, good natured teasing can be a
lot of fun in person, and it's I think it's
an important thing for the development of kids to like,
you know, learn learn to tell the difference, to read
those subtle cues. But that's gonna be a lot harder
over the internet. Yeah, I mean it's harder for adults too. Yeah,
(06:55):
I mean I think a lot of us have probably
encountered that with using zoom for you know, special for
for social scenarios, catching up with friends and all like.
It's not the same in so many ways. Anyway, Spencer continues,
I wonder what the virtual year of education will do
to our young people, still in their most formative periods
of social and emotional development. Well, this got rather long winded.
(07:15):
Hope y'all are well. Please keep sharing your curiosity, joy
and humor with us. It is so necessary. Cheers Spencer,
ps weirdhouses dope. Well, thank you, Spencer, thanks for for
writing in with all those thoughts. Yeah, I mean especially,
I mean, yeah, open question on what the the the
the Tela era of of education and work and socialization,
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like what how will we look back on this a
year from now, two years from now, etcetera. UM, it's uh,
it's gonna it's gonna be interesting to to discuss it
in in here here folks analyzing it. But congrats on
your move into teaching. That's awesome. Helps sprout those young minds.
Like mung beans on a damp paper towel, Yes here
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we got one that's sort of beans, but maybe edges
into weird house cinema. I don't know. This is from
someone who calls themselves the Golden Sardine. Fair enough, call
yourself what you want to call yourself, Okay, doky, golden
Sardine says, how do you again? I guess I don't
remember the last time they say. Today, I was listening
to your two parter about beans when you mentioned the
lack of bean themed horror in cinema. That's right, Yeah,
(08:27):
I can only think of one horror movie related to beans,
and that would be My Name is Bruce, starring Bruce Campbell.
I like to think of it as the unofficial Evil
Dead for The gist of the plot is that a
bean curd demon is released in a small town. The
town folks then decided to kidnap Bruce Campbell due to
his extensive demon fighting experience hijinksin sue. It might not
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be weird house material, but it's at least worth a watch. Anyways.
I enjoy the show and look forward to future episodes.
The Golden Sardine. Um, I haven't seen that movie. I
do enjoy Bruce Campbell and he's a He's a delightful
ham But that sounds like that's played for comedy, and
that's not what I had in mind when I was
saying there should be more being horror. I mean, like
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straight scary being horror. Well, this was not an example
I was familiar with, but I think it's a solid one.
But it reminds me of another example. And this is
not a straight horror film. It's more of a like
a fantasy film for all ages, but it is. But
it is by Takashi Mickay, who is kind of a
notable Japanese filmmaker because of some of the more I
(09:31):
guess extreme and troubling material that he's created over the years.
But this one The Great Yokai War from two thousand
five is as I remember it, and it's been a
little bit more of a family fantasy affair with a
bunch of Japanese spirits and there's like an evil guy
that kind of looks like m Bison that they're opposing,
and I think they if I remember correctly, they end
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up using a zuki beans to defeat the enemy, like
a zuki beans are the are the are the final
weapon they turned to and it successfully rids them of
the demon horror. Well, that sounds interesting, but you're saying
that that's probably sort of played for for comedy two.
Mika is all over the map in terms of genre
and tone, right, Like he does extremely dark, serious, violent,
(10:15):
nasty horror and like family movies and musicals and comedies
and stuff. It's it's like everything right, Yeah, Like this
is a pretty pretty far away from like Audition or
something like that. This one I think is for the
for the family. Um, it was played for laughs, but
it also I think was clearly getting into some of
those traditions we were talking about earlier about the idea
that beings have this innate power to dispel demons. If
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you're listening. Whoever you are, film Gearmo del Toro or whatever. Yeah,
give give us the straight dark bean horror. All right,
here's one. This one comes to us from Wonco. Uh.
This one is titled Cats and Humans in Boxes. Hello again,
Robert and Joe. I'm writing in today with an interesting
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counterpoint to the cats love boxes argument. The wife and
I live in the employee of three cats. Two of
them will climb into a box as expected, but the third,
who is blind, actually has a borderline fear response. My
theory is that the box is a sudden change to
her accustomed environment. If we leave it for a while,
she will begin to investigate. But I have never seen
her climb into one, nor will she use an enclosed
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litter box. Thanks again, keep up the great work. Welcome.
That's interesting. I've never heard of that before. I mean,
sometimes I feel like, you know, the cats are just
they're going to break the rules. They're going to break
your expectations of them. If there's something that is considered
like a general rule of cats, well a cat will
come along and violate that rule. Cats love boxes. No,
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you someone out there, you will have the cap that
of whrrors boxes And there's nothing you can do about it,
because cats ultimately have the final say. Okay, another one
about the two parter we did about cats and boxes
and humans in boxes. This one is from Simon. Simon says, Hi, guys,
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love the podcast. Just wanted to give you a heads
up on pronunciation from a recent show. The A text
about how to become an anchor s came up and
I called it the on cream we's the a n
c r E n E and then w I S
s E. But Simon says, the oncream wee popped up
(12:24):
and you pronounced both words with a silent final e.
The consensus pronunciation would have those final volves voiced, rather
like a German speaker might pronounce porsche. I think so.
I believe it would be on crena wesa I guess
if if Simon is correct. A great and entertaining resource
for old English pronunciation is the History of English podcast,
(12:44):
where this book appears in episode one oh three. Again,
love the work. Thanks Simon. All right, we had an
email here from Josh and uh, it's a good email.
I'm not going to read the whole thing, but I
do to just to highlight a couple of things they
bring up that are pretty solid about cats in their boxes.
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Because Josh brings up the idea of opening a drawer
and then taking things out of the drawer, you turn
around cats in the drawer. I have also observed this
as well, if the drawer is open and it is
not like completely stuffed, if the cat is around, the
cat will just appear. It will summon the cat out
of out of midair, and then she will climb into
the drawer. The The other thing that Josh brings up
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is that they think that their own cat when it
comes to sitting on papers, you know, be at mortgage documents,
medical bills, etcetera. They say, um, quote, I think this
is because she can kill two birds with one stone,
she gets to sit on paper and she gets to
demand my attention. Uh. And the Josh also included pictures
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of the cat doing just this. Yeah, I hypothesized something
like this when we were talking about cats on squares
and stuff that I wonder if a significant amount of
this is just that the cat notices you paying attention
to a square of paper or even a square you've
laid down with tape or something like that, and the
cat is trying to be in your center of attention. Yeah,
(14:07):
I don't know. It seems to be the case at times.
I know that there are times where the cat want
I have. I can relate to a cat wanting my
attention like it wants to be fed. She wants to
be fed, so she is going to be conspicuous by
where she is, you know, generally underfoot or crawling on me,
that sort of thing. Okay, I got one more though
about the when you say cats sitting in drawers. I
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just remembered a friend of mine had a cat who
loved to sit in the bathroom sink. And so if
you're at his house, every time you go to the
bathroom you go to wash your hands, the cats there
in the sink and will not move. Uh So the
question is do you turn on the water or not?
It seems like it would be cruel to do so,
But how else are you gonna wash your hands. I
have a friend who used to have a cat like
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this that you would go to the sink and the
cat would be at the sink, and this cat wanted
you to turn the water on because it also wanted
to drink the water from the sink. Sure not soapy water, no, No, no,
the fresh water from this pickett nice, but they didn't
know how to do it themselves. So you know, it's like,
clearly go in there. When a human is in there,
they're going to turn it on. And maybe from the
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cat's point of view, that's why the humans here, Like
at last, a human has come to give me water
from the faucet. Alright. Actually, a number of listeners got
in touch about their about their cats. I'm gonna mentioned
parts of another email here. This one we got from
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longtime listener shel Dean. Sheldean mentions having four cats in
her house, and she says they all love boxes to
some extent. But our oldest cat, Lily, she's fourteen, basically
lives in a box in the kitchen. We've always thought
it was a warmth thing, only it's in a corner
under the radiator. But your episode has made me reconsider this.
It might also be a social thing. Uh. The Sheldean
(15:55):
says that apparently she's the dominant cat, though that's based
on some slew things she did based on a cat
behavior article she read on the internet, So maybe we
should take that with a grain of salt um. But
she says, regardless, the other three cats are male, and
two of them fight with Lily, So I think her
behavior might also have a social component. In her box,
she's out of the way and safe, so that that
(16:17):
might connect to the thing we talked about in the
episode where a possible reason cats might see boxes among
the many others is just a way of mediating social conflict,
you know, in the box. Getting in the box could
essentially just be an avoidance behavior to to avoid conflicts.
Sheldean also says, uh, I think this is picking up
on the story I had from my childhood where when
we used to take our cat to the vetch, we
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would take her in a in a cardboard cat carrier
that had like air holes and everything. But it wasn't
like the plastic and metal crates of today. It was
made a cardboard and Sheldean says Joe regarding the cat carriers,
I can tell you that before immigrating, my cats regarded
the cat carriers with dismay when they came out, but
they would still enter them to explore, which was when
I would trap them. Since they're very long flight to
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another country. They now regard the carriers with utter terror.
It's a bit sad that it was so obviously a
terrifying experience for them. Fortunately, we now have a vet
who comes to us, so we only need to haul
out the carriers in an emergency. And touching on the
need for warmth, we have hammock beds hanging off radiators
in our home, and I think if I could fit
in one, I'd find them extremely warm. But the cats
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love the radiators, and she attaches a picture for us
to look at, and so that goes along with what
we've been talking about about how often cats will will
seek out, you know, a hot computer or radiator or anything,
because in general, if your house is comfortable for humans
to be in, it's probably too cold for cats. They're
their therm neutral temperature is much higher than the average
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humans is, you know, on the difference between cats, it
is interesting to to hear from someone who owns a cat,
first of all, earlier that the cat wants to drink
water from a tap. Part of me is just like,
what was what is that like to have a cat
that will drink water? That is that not part of
some meat already? Because it's it's uh, it's always a
(18:05):
struggle to make sure that our cat has enough water,
uh in its body, because it doesn't seem interested in
any water that is not part of meat already. And
then this idea that like the cap being drawn to
the radiator, like we we got this heating pad for
the pet. You know, it's kept it like a low
temperature to provide some heat, and at best she'll lay
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next to it sometimes like like you know, maybe just
picking up on some of the ambient heat. But other
times she seems to be actively avoiding it, as if
to say, I do not like this. This is this
is unnatural, and I refuse to set on it. I
don't know, maybe we're doing something wrong. I'm sorry having
cat problems, man, No no, no, no, I mean she's
she's all right at the moment. I mean she is
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in general a problem. But um but you know if
she's great too, so what can you do? One last
thing Sheldean mentions is the idea that you raised in
the Cats and Squares episode, uh Rob about the possibility
And I still think this is a very very good
idea that that should be explored more, the possibility that
maybe a lot of cats that live in houses like
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squares and sheets of paper and things like that on
the ground. Uh, not as an instinctual thing about being
a cat, but as a conditioned behavior where they've become
accustomed to sitting on a square of sunlight that pours
through the window onto the floor to get warm, and
so now they always think, oh, a square on the floor,
that that that that will be warm. I do think
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that that that seems very plausible to me. And Sheldean
says that indeed her cats do follow the squares of
sun all around the house. That would this would be
an interesting one to see some some sort of experimentation
take place, ye figuring out exactly to what extent uh
they're drawn to the you know, the geometric aspects of
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the light as opposed to just the presence of light
and warmth. Anyway, Sheldean says, hopefully you guys already know
that I love the show and appreciate all the effort
you put in. Best wishes, Sheldan, Uh, Sheldon, Oh, And
Sheldon has a ps about the the collective noun for cats,
which she claims, I don't know if she's she's teasing
us here. She says, the collective noun for cats is
a clouder c l O W D E er that
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sounds made up, and that for kittens it is a
kindle also sounds made up. I don't know. I'll take
your word for it, all right. This one comes to
us from Carlton. Hello, Robin Joe. I wanted to share
a connection to your artifact episode titled the Toad Vomit Miracle.
(20:34):
I'm a middle school reading specialist and I use a
program with my students to help improve their comprehension which
features short, high interest passages. One of them, which happens
to be a student favorite, is called frog Vomit. I
have included the text below. The program is grounded in
dual coding theory to help facilitate improvements in reading comprehension
through the use of mental imagery. In order to accomplish this,
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the students spend lots of time reading, visualized and talking
about passages written to stimulate visual imagery. The striking imagery
of a frog or toad vomiting up its own stomach
and using its quote unquote hands to scrape out the
contents is usually very effective. The way I check for
understanding is by asking my students to show me a
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hand motion of the hands scraping the stomach if their
hands are in the right place where a stomach would
dangle from their mouths making a scraping down and out motion,
and they are giggling that I know they have created
a strong mental image of the concept, or a castalt
as the program describes. I was so excited to listen
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to an episode about a topic that I have had
the joy of helping students cover through reading. On that note,
have you considered an episode about the science of reading.
It's an extremely broad reaching topic with plenty of controversy,
and there have been time periods described as the Reading
Wars where proponents of science and popular practices clashed. The
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raise science of reading is a hot topic and education
right now as well. I would love to hear you
guys discuss the multiple topics it could bring up. Recently,
I have been super interested in how the dyslexic brain works.
The amount of cognitive processes that happened before we construct
meaning from print is not only amazing, but also something
our brains aren't actually designed to do. I often wonder
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what life would be like for my students with dyslexia
if they lived in a time or alternate reality where
the printed word was not such a ubiquitous and important
feature of our society. On another note, and to connect
to a previous episode, and I am thinking of this
as I write this. I wonder how a corpus colostodomy
this to remind everybody, this is the when the corpus
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colossum between the two hemispheres of the brain is severed
um as a medical intervention. Um they ask how this
affects reading and if it would affect a dyslexic brain's
ability to read in a different way. Anyways, thank you
for the awesome show, and hope you get a chance
to read this, Carlton. And then they include that bit
of text. This is the text that again Carlton is
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using in these uh these exercises to to stimulate mental
imagery and the red in the young reader's brain. It
goes as follows. When a frog has eaten something that
makes him feel sick, he vomits up his entire stomach.
He heaves until his stomach flops out and dangles from
his mouth like a sack. Then he reaches up with
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his four legs and scrapes out the stomach sickening contents.
Once the stomach is clean and empty, he swallows it
down again. Dude, you did that like the narrator of
Beast of Yucca Flats. That's really good, caught in the
wheels of vomit. I have to say, though, reading that,
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the frog I'm pick picturing doing it is like the
like a Mr. Toad's wild Ride, kind of a frog
with a hat and suit and an old timey car
automobile behind him on the road. I don't know why
I thought you were going to say the frog your
pick ring was Tour Johnson, so you know he's maybe
he's kind of he had kind of a frog like appearance,
didn't he. But no, I think maybe it's the mention
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to the hands. Actually you mentioned frogs. You mentioned hands.
That makes me think Mr. Toad's wild Ride and related media.
And then therefore, when we get into this description here,
that's what I'm picturing. I'm not picturing an actual frog
doing it, though of course actual frogs do this all
the time. I'm picturing a cartoon frog doing it with
his cartoon human hands. My much less cultured brain, I
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think pictures the frog character from Chrono Trigger. I don't
know this frog, you know, played Chrono Trigger for the
s and e s No, no I had I had
to say of Genesis, So I missed out on some
of this. You know, Rob, I was playing Altered Beast.
Oh altered. Well that's a good one too, when you
go into beast mode. But uh, but but but and
not to be like that. Oh, you gotta play this
(24:53):
RPG guy. Butchrono Trigger really is magical. It's worth going
back to revisit if you finally getting later of it
or something. It's it's great. Okay, one last one here.
This is about weird house cinema and it's from Ryan.
Ryan says, Hi, Joe and Rob. Not sure if this
movie is B enough, but have you seen Wavelength? I
(25:16):
believe it was from either eighty one or a D two.
Actually I think I looked it up and it's eighty three,
but Ryan says, and features one of the Carrateen brothers
and Sherry Curie from Joan Jet and the Black Hearts.
It also features a soundtrack by Tangerine Dream. I know
you know the key to Rob's hard here, Uh, Ryan says,
I drive for Lift and always have you guys delivering
(25:38):
excellent content through my earbud. Thanks for the awesome shows
and I'm looking forward to many more. Ryan, Well, I
have not seen Wavelength, but I looked it up and
the first thing I saw was the poster, which is fabulous,
as like these pods with extraterrestrials like stuck in them
are preserved in them. I'm not sure which so great
poster throwing a Tangerine Dream score in a less or
(26:00):
Karendy brother and my curiosity is certainly raised, though, I'm
gonna have to put it on the potential list. This
is one of those that has two different taglines on
the same poster that always to me seems it signals
marketing insecurity. So one of them is up near the
top and it goes two weeks ago they landed on
Earth today beneath an American city. The experiments begin dot
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dot dot, but then down at the bottom right it
says the alien terror is here on Earth exclamation point.
I'm not neither one is very good, but they kind
of don't complement. Yeah, at any rate, it looks interesting,
and I'm sure it sounds very interesting what with the
Tangerine Dream. I'd give it a go. All right, Well
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that's the end of this mail bag. We thank everybody
for writing in one note, I believe we're Usually we
record our listener mails a lot closer to the publication date,
but I think we're recording this one like a couple
of weeks out or maybe one week out, I'm not sure,
more time than usual. Uh, so there's gonna be more
listener mail that accumulates for next time. And if none
(27:07):
of these listener mails uh touched on very recent episodes,
well that is why, because you are in the future
and we are here in the past. Hello. If you
would like to write in, then hey, do so. We'd
love to hear from you regarding some of these listener
mails or past episodes, possible future episodes of Stuff to
Blow Your Mind or Weird House Cinema. Uh, just let
let us have it. Uh. In the meantime, if you
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My Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow
your Mind and listener Mail. My name is Robert Lamb
and I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Monday listener mail time.
We hope you are ready to hear some messages that
have slammed into our inbox over the past few days.
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So Rob, if you're ready, I'll jump right in on
this message from Matt about our episodes on beans. Let's
do it. Matt says, good day, fellas love the recent
bean episodes. My family and I grow corn, wheat and
soybeans here in Ontario, so I was thrilled to see
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you focus so much attention on the humble legume. I
thought I knew quite a bit about them before, but
learned much more. The mythical historical context of beans was
something I was largely unaware of and from particularly interesting.
Had a couple of thoughts. You mentioned the use of
a couple of different beans slash lagoons in the developing
plant protein market. There's a huge push here in Canada
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to capitalize on this for many different crops, particularly in
the West, lentils, chickpeas, soybeans, and a bunch more. Each
one has a lot of potential uses beyond what's already current,
and not just for food products destined for direct human consumption.
On a related note, I think looking into how useful beans, grains,
and other field crops are in industrial processing would be
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a neat subject. Like animal byproducts, they are in many
things we use or depend on every day without realizing it.
The number of subsequent uses one particular crop can have
is another thing. For example, the use of barley grain
in beer production, then the subsequent use of the spent
mash as feed for livestock. That's interesting. One last thing.
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The Listener mail episode contained a letter suggesting you cover
animal science. There's a lot of interesting work going on
in this field in the agricultural space. I don't know
much about the met ecal side, but that's surely pretty
interesting too, so I would similarly suggest the subject. Thanks
again for your work, Matt, Well, thanks Matt. Yeah, I
think that's a great idea. Keep growing those chickpeas, all right.
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Here's one that comes to us from Spencer. Spencer says Hi, Robert, Joe,
and Seth. I've listened to your show NonStop since, and
I adore the work y'all put out. I picked this
show up on the Alphabet and the Goddess episodes while
working on a sustainable vegetable farm, and I haven't looked back.
I recently switched from a career in farming to become
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a high school science teacher, and I can proudly say
that you were pivotal in making that decision. Sharing in
the joy of investigating curiosities across the natural world, the
expansive universe, in our fascinating inner worlds has made such
an impact on me. I only hope to bring to
my students that same level of joy and curiosity. I'm
sure your work inspires all sorts of educators across the field.
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At which field? The bean field? Oh wait, I just realized.
I think I think I told Matt to keep growing chickpeas.
But Matt didn't say he grew chickpeas. He said he
grew corn, wheat and soybeans. Sorry, Matt, keep growing those,
whichever one you like best. Grow the soybeans, love them?
Lagoon faux pas there make me tellfu Alright, anyway, this
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this letter continues, I have two things I'd like to
share one. I recently listened to the two parter on
beans and found myself putting my farmer hat back on. Specifically,
when you spoke about the storage capacity of the lowly
being and how crucial that was to the development of
settled civilizations, I found myself going back to June afternoons
in the North Carolina muck. We would often soak dried
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beans before planting them to assist their germination success. This
got me thinking about something that's always astounded me. How
does an inert, dried object so obstensibly not alive have
the capacity to live so vibrantly once it's in the
right conditions. I would love to hear an episode about
the magic of germ nation. Not just the mythical and
metaphorical connotations of seeds giving way to life, but how
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is it that stale, crusty seeds can suddenly burst into lush,
green platforms. That's a great idea. I feel like that's
come up in bits and pieces on subjects in the past.
I know, I know. Um. In a pair of episodes
we did about about natural fires, about like fires in
the forest, we talked about some germination that depends on
the stimulation of of a forest fire to get going. Yeah, yeah,
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you know, you know, speaking of education and all, I
think I thought about this but ended up not mentioning
in the Beans articles Beans episodes rather, but it reminded
me of those the science experiments that I think a
lot of us uh conduct when we're children in school,
where you take the being and you have it in
the zip block bag with some like a wet paper towel,
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and then you watch that germination process take place. Uh
you know, it's it's ultimately such a you know, magical
feeling and amazing spectacle to watch, and we kind of,
I don't know, we kind of forget it over time,
We forget how how amazing it is, uh that seeds
do what they do. It reminds me of in the
office Creed sprouting mung beans on a damp paper towel
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in his desk. Oh man, we I don't think we
even't got to discussmong beans in those episodes. I had
like a few notes on mung beans and had some
a source highlighted, but I just don't think we had
time to get into it. Yeah, there are like tons
of beans we didn't have time to get into. I
guess We're coming back for three or four or five, six,
seven more episodes on beans. The beans saga continued. The
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people want it alright, Spencer continues, though he had to
two things to bring up. That was just the first
number two. I went back into the vault and rediscovered
the excellent episode on teething. In this episode, you made
a call out to educators, what is it like to
teach children how to tease? I thought i'd chime in
with a unique take. Since I've been in a one
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year teacher preparation program that started in a pandemic, I
have only interacted with my students through zoom and email.
You can imagine that impedes natural social relationships with anyone,
but I think this is especially important for young people
regarding teasing. I don't think you can tease others so
easily when you've only met online. Not to mention that
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most students keep their cameras off. Yeah, it's also difficult
to gauge someone's off the record cues for a teasing moment.
As a result, my classes have mostly taken a no
teasing policy. Sometimes a student will chime in a response
in the zoom chat to other students comments and it
just seems like bullying. There ain't much of a nuanced
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way to delineate playful from harmful teasing when you're just
working with a chat lock. Oh yeah, I can absolutely
see that. Um. Obviously, good natured teasing can be a
lot of fun in person, and it's I think it's
an important thing for the development of kids to like,
you know, learn learn to tell the difference, to read
those subtle cues. But that's gonna be a lot harder
over the internet. Yeah, I mean it's harder for adults too. Yeah,
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I mean I think a lot of us have probably
encountered that with using zoom for you know, special for
for social scenarios, catching up with friends and all like.
It's not the same in so many ways. Anyway, Spencer continues,
I wonder what the virtual year of education will do
to our young people, still in their most formative periods
of social and emotional development. Well, this got rather long winded.
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Hope y'all are well. Please keep sharing your curiosity, joy
and humor with us. It is so necessary. Cheers Spencer,
ps weirdhouses dope. Well, thank you, Spencer, thanks for for
writing in with all those thoughts. Yeah, I mean especially,
I mean, yeah, open question on what the the the
the Tela era of of education and work and socialization,
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like what how will we look back on this a
year from now, two years from now, etcetera. UM, it's uh,
it's gonna it's gonna be interesting to to discuss it
in in here here folks analyzing it. But congrats on
your move into teaching. That's awesome. Helps sprout those young minds.
Like mung beans on a damp paper towel, Yes here
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we got one that's sort of beans, but maybe edges
into weird house cinema. I don't know. This is from
someone who calls themselves the Golden Sardine. Fair enough, call
yourself what you want to call yourself, Okay, doky, golden
Sardine says, how do you again? I guess I don't
remember the last time they say. Today, I was listening
to your two parter about beans when you mentioned the
lack of bean themed horror in cinema. That's right, Yeah,
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I can only think of one horror movie related to beans,
and that would be My Name is Bruce, starring Bruce Campbell.
I like to think of it as the unofficial Evil
Dead for The gist of the plot is that a
bean curd demon is released in a small town. The
town folks then decided to kidnap Bruce Campbell due to
his extensive demon fighting experience hijinksin sue. It might not
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be weird house material, but it's at least worth a watch. Anyways.
I enjoy the show and look forward to future episodes.
The Golden Sardine. Um, I haven't seen that movie. I
do enjoy Bruce Campbell and he's a He's a delightful
ham But that sounds like that's played for comedy, and
that's not what I had in mind when I was
saying there should be more being horror. I mean, like
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straight scary being horror. Well, this was not an example
I was familiar with, but I think it's a solid one.
But it reminds me of another example. And this is
not a straight horror film. It's more of a like
a fantasy film for all ages, but it is. But
it is by Takashi Mickay, who is kind of a
notable Japanese filmmaker because of some of the more I
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guess extreme and troubling material that he's created over the years.
But this one The Great Yokai War from two thousand
five is as I remember it, and it's been a
little bit more of a family fantasy affair with a
bunch of Japanese spirits and there's like an evil guy
that kind of looks like m Bison that they're opposing,
and I think they if I remember correctly, they end
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up using a zuki beans to defeat the enemy, like
a zuki beans are the are the are the final
weapon they turned to and it successfully rids them of
the demon horror. Well, that sounds interesting, but you're saying
that that's probably sort of played for for comedy two.
Mika is all over the map in terms of genre
and tone, right, Like he does extremely dark, serious, violent,
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nasty horror and like family movies and musicals and comedies
and stuff. It's it's like everything right, Yeah, Like this
is a pretty pretty far away from like Audition or
something like that. This one I think is for the
for the family. Um, it was played for laughs, but
it also I think was clearly getting into some of
those traditions we were talking about earlier about the idea
that beings have this innate power to dispel demons. If
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you're listening. Whoever you are, film Gearmo del Toro or whatever. Yeah,
give give us the straight dark bean horror. All right,
here's one. This one comes to us from Wonco. Uh.
This one is titled Cats and Humans in Boxes. Hello again,
Robert and Joe. I'm writing in today with an interesting
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counterpoint to the cats love boxes argument. The wife and
I live in the employee of three cats. Two of
them will climb into a box as expected, but the third,
who is blind, actually has a borderline fear response. My
theory is that the box is a sudden change to
her accustomed environment. If we leave it for a while,
she will begin to investigate. But I have never seen
her climb into one, nor will she use an enclosed
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litter box. Thanks again, keep up the great work. Welcome.
That's interesting. I've never heard of that before. I mean,
sometimes I feel like, you know, the cats are just
they're going to break the rules. They're going to break
your expectations of them. If there's something that is considered
like a general rule of cats, well a cat will
come along and violate that rule. Cats love boxes. No,
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you someone out there, you will have the cap that
of whrrors boxes And there's nothing you can do about it,
because cats ultimately have the final say. Okay, another one
about the two parter we did about cats and boxes
and humans in boxes. This one is from Simon. Simon says, Hi, guys,
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love the podcast. Just wanted to give you a heads
up on pronunciation from a recent show. The A text
about how to become an anchor s came up and
I called it the on cream we's the a n
c r E n E and then w I S
s E. But Simon says, the oncream wee popped up
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and you pronounced both words with a silent final e.
The consensus pronunciation would have those final volves voiced, rather
like a German speaker might pronounce porsche. I think so.
I believe it would be on crena wesa I guess
if if Simon is correct. A great and entertaining resource
for old English pronunciation is the History of English podcast,
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where this book appears in episode one oh three. Again,
love the work. Thanks Simon. All right, we had an
email here from Josh and uh, it's a good email.
I'm not going to read the whole thing, but I
do to just to highlight a couple of things they
bring up that are pretty solid about cats in their boxes.
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Because Josh brings up the idea of opening a drawer
and then taking things out of the drawer, you turn
around cats in the drawer. I have also observed this
as well, if the drawer is open and it is
not like completely stuffed, if the cat is around, the
cat will just appear. It will summon the cat out
of out of midair, and then she will climb into
the drawer. The The other thing that Josh brings up
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is that they think that their own cat when it
comes to sitting on papers, you know, be at mortgage documents,
medical bills, etcetera. They say, um, quote, I think this
is because she can kill two birds with one stone,
she gets to sit on paper and she gets to
demand my attention. Uh. And the Josh also included pictures
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of the cat doing just this. Yeah, I hypothesized something
like this when we were talking about cats on squares
and stuff that I wonder if a significant amount of
this is just that the cat notices you paying attention
to a square of paper or even a square you've
laid down with tape or something like that, and the
cat is trying to be in your center of attention. Yeah,
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I don't know. It seems to be the case at times.
I know that there are times where the cat want
I have. I can relate to a cat wanting my
attention like it wants to be fed. She wants to
be fed, so she is going to be conspicuous by
where she is, you know, generally underfoot or crawling on me,
that sort of thing. Okay, I got one more though
about the when you say cats sitting in drawers. I
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just remembered a friend of mine had a cat who
loved to sit in the bathroom sink. And so if
you're at his house, every time you go to the
bathroom you go to wash your hands, the cats there
in the sink and will not move. Uh So the
question is do you turn on the water or not?
It seems like it would be cruel to do so,
But how else are you gonna wash your hands. I
have a friend who used to have a cat like
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this that you would go to the sink and the
cat would be at the sink, and this cat wanted
you to turn the water on because it also wanted
to drink the water from the sink. Sure not soapy water, no, No, no,
the fresh water from this pickett nice, but they didn't
know how to do it themselves. So you know, it's like,
clearly go in there. When a human is in there,
they're going to turn it on. And maybe from the
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cat's point of view, that's why the humans here, Like
at last, a human has come to give me water
from the faucet. Alright. Actually, a number of listeners got
in touch about their about their cats. I'm gonna mentioned
parts of another email here. This one we got from
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longtime listener shel Dean. Sheldean mentions having four cats in
her house, and she says they all love boxes to
some extent. But our oldest cat, Lily, she's fourteen, basically
lives in a box in the kitchen. We've always thought
it was a warmth thing, only it's in a corner
under the radiator. But your episode has made me reconsider this.
It might also be a social thing. Uh. The Sheldean
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says that apparently she's the dominant cat, though that's based
on some slew things she did based on a cat
behavior article she read on the internet, So maybe we
should take that with a grain of salt um. But
she says, regardless, the other three cats are male, and
two of them fight with Lily, So I think her
behavior might also have a social component. In her box,
she's out of the way and safe, so that that
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might connect to the thing we talked about in the
episode where a possible reason cats might see boxes among
the many others is just a way of mediating social conflict,
you know, in the box. Getting in the box could
essentially just be an avoidance behavior to to avoid conflicts.
Sheldean also says, uh, I think this is picking up
on the story I had from my childhood where when
we used to take our cat to the vetch, we
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would take her in a in a cardboard cat carrier
that had like air holes and everything. But it wasn't
like the plastic and metal crates of today. It was
made a cardboard and Sheldean says Joe regarding the cat carriers,
I can tell you that before immigrating, my cats regarded
the cat carriers with dismay when they came out, but
they would still enter them to explore, which was when
I would trap them. Since they're very long flight to
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another country. They now regard the carriers with utter terror.
It's a bit sad that it was so obviously a
terrifying experience for them. Fortunately, we now have a vet
who comes to us, so we only need to haul
out the carriers in an emergency. And touching on the
need for warmth, we have hammock beds hanging off radiators
in our home, and I think if I could fit
in one, I'd find them extremely warm. But the cats
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love the radiators, and she attaches a picture for us
to look at, and so that goes along with what
we've been talking about about how often cats will will
seek out, you know, a hot computer or radiator or anything,
because in general, if your house is comfortable for humans
to be in, it's probably too cold for cats. They're
their therm neutral temperature is much higher than the average
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humans is, you know, on the difference between cats, it
is interesting to to hear from someone who owns a cat,
first of all, earlier that the cat wants to drink
water from a tap. Part of me is just like,
what was what is that like to have a cat
that will drink water? That is that not part of
some meat already? Because it's it's uh, it's always a
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struggle to make sure that our cat has enough water,
uh in its body, because it doesn't seem interested in
any water that is not part of meat already. And
then this idea that like the cap being drawn to
the radiator, like we we got this heating pad for
the pet. You know, it's kept it like a low
temperature to provide some heat, and at best she'll lay
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next to it sometimes like like you know, maybe just
picking up on some of the ambient heat. But other
times she seems to be actively avoiding it, as if
to say, I do not like this. This is this
is unnatural, and I refuse to set on it. I
don't know, maybe we're doing something wrong. I'm sorry having
cat problems, man, No no, no, no, I mean she's
she's all right at the moment. I mean she is
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in general a problem. But um but you know if
she's great too, so what can you do? One last
thing Sheldean mentions is the idea that you raised in
the Cats and Squares episode, uh Rob about the possibility
And I still think this is a very very good
idea that that should be explored more, the possibility that
maybe a lot of cats that live in houses like
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squares and sheets of paper and things like that on
the ground. Uh, not as an instinctual thing about being
a cat, but as a conditioned behavior where they've become
accustomed to sitting on a square of sunlight that pours
through the window onto the floor to get warm, and
so now they always think, oh, a square on the floor,
that that that that will be warm. I do think
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that that that seems very plausible to me. And Sheldean
says that indeed her cats do follow the squares of
sun all around the house. That would this would be
an interesting one to see some some sort of experimentation
take place, ye figuring out exactly to what extent uh
they're drawn to the you know, the geometric aspects of
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the light as opposed to just the presence of light
and warmth. Anyway, Sheldean says, hopefully you guys already know
that I love the show and appreciate all the effort
you put in. Best wishes, Sheldan, Uh, Sheldon, Oh, And
Sheldon has a ps about the the collective noun for cats,
which she claims, I don't know if she's she's teasing
us here. She says, the collective noun for cats is
a clouder c l O W D E er that
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sounds made up, and that for kittens it is a
kindle also sounds made up. I don't know. I'll take
your word for it, all right. This one comes to
us from Carlton. Hello, Robin Joe. I wanted to share
a connection to your artifact episode titled the Toad Vomit Miracle.
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I'm a middle school reading specialist and I use a
program with my students to help improve their comprehension which
features short, high interest passages. One of them, which happens
to be a student favorite, is called frog Vomit. I
have included the text below. The program is grounded in
dual coding theory to help facilitate improvements in reading comprehension
through the use of mental imagery. In order to accomplish this,
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the students spend lots of time reading, visualized and talking
about passages written to stimulate visual imagery. The striking imagery
of a frog or toad vomiting up its own stomach
and using its quote unquote hands to scrape out the
contents is usually very effective. The way I check for
understanding is by asking my students to show me a
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hand motion of the hands scraping the stomach if their
hands are in the right place where a stomach would
dangle from their mouths making a scraping down and out motion,
and they are giggling that I know they have created
a strong mental image of the concept, or a castalt
as the program describes. I was so excited to listen
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to an episode about a topic that I have had
the joy of helping students cover through reading. On that note,
have you considered an episode about the science of reading.
It's an extremely broad reaching topic with plenty of controversy,
and there have been time periods described as the Reading
Wars where proponents of science and popular practices clashed. The
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raise science of reading is a hot topic and education
right now as well. I would love to hear you
guys discuss the multiple topics it could bring up. Recently,
I have been super interested in how the dyslexic brain works.
The amount of cognitive processes that happened before we construct
meaning from print is not only amazing, but also something
our brains aren't actually designed to do. I often wonder
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what life would be like for my students with dyslexia
if they lived in a time or alternate reality where
the printed word was not such a ubiquitous and important
feature of our society. On another note, and to connect
to a previous episode, and I am thinking of this
as I write this. I wonder how a corpus colostodomy
this to remind everybody, this is the when the corpus
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colossum between the two hemispheres of the brain is severed
um as a medical intervention. Um they ask how this
affects reading and if it would affect a dyslexic brain's
ability to read in a different way. Anyways, thank you
for the awesome show, and hope you get a chance
to read this, Carlton. And then they include that bit
of text. This is the text that again Carlton is
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using in these uh these exercises to to stimulate mental
imagery and the red in the young reader's brain. It
goes as follows. When a frog has eaten something that
makes him feel sick, he vomits up his entire stomach.
He heaves until his stomach flops out and dangles from
his mouth like a sack. Then he reaches up with
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his four legs and scrapes out the stomach sickening contents.
Once the stomach is clean and empty, he swallows it
down again. Dude, you did that like the narrator of
Beast of Yucca Flats. That's really good, caught in the
wheels of vomit. I have to say, though, reading that,
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the frog I'm pick picturing doing it is like the
like a Mr. Toad's wild Ride, kind of a frog
with a hat and suit and an old timey car
automobile behind him on the road. I don't know why
I thought you were going to say the frog your
pick ring was Tour Johnson, so you know he's maybe
he's kind of he had kind of a frog like appearance,
didn't he. But no, I think maybe it's the mention
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to the hands. Actually you mentioned frogs. You mentioned hands.
That makes me think Mr. Toad's wild Ride and related media.
And then therefore, when we get into this description here,
that's what I'm picturing. I'm not picturing an actual frog
doing it, though of course actual frogs do this all
the time. I'm picturing a cartoon frog doing it with
his cartoon human hands. My much less cultured brain, I
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think pictures the frog character from Chrono Trigger. I don't
know this frog, you know, played Chrono Trigger for the
s and e s No, no I had I had
to say of Genesis, So I missed out on some
of this. You know, Rob, I was playing Altered Beast.
Oh altered. Well that's a good one too, when you
go into beast mode. But uh, but but but and
not to be like that. Oh, you gotta play this
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RPG guy. Butchrono Trigger really is magical. It's worth going
back to revisit if you finally getting later of it
or something. It's it's great. Okay, one last one here.
This is about weird house cinema and it's from Ryan.
Ryan says, Hi, Joe and Rob. Not sure if this
movie is B enough, but have you seen Wavelength? I
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believe it was from either eighty one or a D two.
Actually I think I looked it up and it's eighty three,
but Ryan says, and features one of the Carrateen brothers
and Sherry Curie from Joan Jet and the Black Hearts.
It also features a soundtrack by Tangerine Dream. I know
you know the key to Rob's hard here, Uh, Ryan says,
I drive for Lift and always have you guys delivering
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excellent content through my earbud. Thanks for the awesome shows
and I'm looking forward to many more. Ryan, Well, I
have not seen Wavelength, but I looked it up and
the first thing I saw was the poster, which is fabulous,
as like these pods with extraterrestrials like stuck in them
are preserved in them. I'm not sure which so great
poster throwing a Tangerine Dream score in a less or
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Karendy brother and my curiosity is certainly raised, though, I'm
gonna have to put it on the potential list. This
is one of those that has two different taglines on
the same poster that always to me seems it signals
marketing insecurity. So one of them is up near the
top and it goes two weeks ago they landed on
Earth today beneath an American city. The experiments begin dot
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dot dot, but then down at the bottom right it
says the alien terror is here on Earth exclamation point.
I'm not neither one is very good, but they kind
of don't complement. Yeah, at any rate, it looks interesting,
and I'm sure it sounds very interesting what with the
Tangerine Dream. I'd give it a go. All right, Well
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that's the end of this mail bag. We thank everybody
for writing in one note, I believe we're Usually we
record our listener mails a lot closer to the publication date,
but I think we're recording this one like a couple
of weeks out or maybe one week out, I'm not sure,
more time than usual. Uh, so there's gonna be more
listener mail that accumulates for next time. And if none
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of these listener mails uh touched on very recent episodes,
well that is why, because you are in the future
and we are here in the past. Hello. If you
would like to write in, then hey, do so. We'd
love to hear from you regarding some of these listener
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