October 22, 2021 • 10 mins
Tracy and Holly discuss a surprise change to the research process for Unearthed! episodes. They also talk about analysis of post-mortem stomach contents, and discuss memories of a deceased, beloved actor.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
of I Heart Radio. Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy B.
Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. This week we had our
latest installment of Unearthed and which I encountered a new
(00:22):
and unexpected research Ticcup tell me about it. There is
a website called eurek Alert, and eurik Alert is a
place where researchers, the institutions that they work for those
kinds of people in places, post the press releases for
(00:42):
their research. It is a very helpful place to find
information for this because the most of the time you
have something that was written by the researchers themselves or
by somebody representing them. There's usually a link directly to
the paper in quite sen to go get more information.
It's all there together. And the way that I've been
(01:04):
researching this starting in because I did not do any
advanced work and that caused a problem. And I put
all of these things together in an RSS reader and
then periodically I go through them over the course of
the quarter, and I bookmark all the stuff that I
am going to refer back to you later to possibly
(01:26):
talk about on Unearthed. And as the end, of September
was approaching, I was doing this task and I kind
of went, I haven't seen anything from eurek alert in
a while. And it turned out that during this quarter
of the year, eurik alert had put out a new
update to its website with a totally new design, and
(01:48):
they got rid of all of their RSS feeds, and
so I had not seen anything from there and probably
a month. So I have not figured out a better
solution than just periodically going directly to eurek alert and
looking at things there. It was not the most joyous
(02:08):
part of this research experience. I was very disappointed at
the loss of the eurek Alert rsspeed don't don't Yeah, yeah,
I remember you messaging me kind of a DEMI frantic.
There's no horriss on Eureka never fun the bookmark plug
(02:29):
in that I've been using to keep all of the
stuff organized. Also, I can exports an HTML file of
all of the links, and that's what I used to
keep up with what I've looked at and what I
have not And for whatever reason, um it did not
promptly email me the exported thing like it normally does,
and I was like, oh no, I hope this isn't
(02:49):
broken too, but it was not broken. It just took
longer than torrible. That's like a harrowing moment, right of
like everything is falling out from under me. Yeah, And
that's by really with you know, episodes that I enjoy
working on. That the fact that I have done this
advanced legwork through the course of the quarter, like it
(03:10):
makes the process of pulling it together a little mentally
easier than some of the like let's research a whole
original thing starting from scratch. Um. So I'm sure I
will figure out a good EUREK alert solution right now,
I'm not sure. Another thing that I meant to talk
about last time and didn't do, but is related to
(03:32):
those couple of papers that we talked about about, like
the ethics of doing remote sensing and the language we
used to talk about stuff. One of the things that
has shifted and how I have talked about stuff and
working on these episodes and how I've done the research
um is especially when researchers have been working on something
(03:53):
that is related to indigenous people, making sure that the
researchers asked, like back in and fourteen and more earlier
time of working on the show, like sometimes I would
find a paper it was like, Oh, this is really interesting,
this thing that they discovered about how this indigenous society operated.
(04:14):
And now I'm like, did you ask though, like, did
you have permission to be working with this nation's artifacts
that you have input from them on your research at all?
And it has become way more of a hard and
fast rule of if I find a paper that is
about an indigenous nation and it doesn't seem like they
(04:35):
had that indigenous nation's cooperation and collaboration at all, like
I'm really reluctant to get into that work. One of
the papers that I found when preparing this particular installment
of Unearthed was about one particular I don't want to
I don't want to drag any researchers because I haven't
(04:56):
talked directly to them. I did not seek comment from them,
so I don't want to reveal a bunch of identifying
stuff about their paper. But what they were working on
was related to ancestral Pabloans, and it did not seem
like they had talked to any pablo In people living currently.
And most of their work was involving looking at early
(05:16):
archaeological work that earlier generations of mostly white archaeologists have done,
and I was like, I'm not confident that this was
all handled ethically right, and like that has just been
one of the ways that these episodes have evolved over
the years. I have funnier things to discuss. Oh yeah, yes,
(05:39):
the gut contents of Tollent Man. But part of me
is like, one, we don't know. Maybe his fish was
just seared on the outside. Oh maybe, and the inside
was tender and perfect and not overcooked. But two, did
that not like shake you in a way where you're like, please,
dear universe, don't let someone investigate my stomach contents and
(06:04):
publish about it after I am deceased. Well, now that
you mention it, they're gonna be like, she drank like
two gallons of coffee a day and clearly had a
very strange and wonky diet, and then everyone will be like, oh,
you ate like a child, and I'll be like I did,
but I'll be dead, so I can't say that I'm
(06:27):
more In this particular case, was just sad at the
idea that maybe Tall and Man's last meal had been
a sad, slightly burned porridge, because that doesn't sound very appetizing.
But now I'm like, yeah, future archaeologists might be like,
there's a lot of cheese in here, right, They'll be like, girl,
(06:47):
I don't know what you're eating. I worry. These are
the things that worry me. I have another thing that
um is perhaps strange, but it is related to that
slab that was used for culinary purposes that was a tombstone,
really a gravestone. Yeah. Yes, this is a little bit
of a walk elsewhere, but it's such a good story
(07:07):
and it's keeping alive the memory of someone who is
gone that I thought was hilarious, So I'm gonna try it.
Did you I think you watched the show Angel when
it was on h Do you remember the character of Louren,
who was like the demon Lounge singer Andy Hallett, the
actor who played that role was hilarious and we um.
(07:29):
I don't know if you went to the talk that
he gave like a panel a Dragon Con one year,
where he talked about I don't remember how it even
came up, but it delighted me so that I wrote
it all down so I would always remember it then,
not knowing that he would not be with us very long.
But he talked about his teenage job, which was working
in his aunt's store, which was called Cones and Stones,
(07:54):
which sold ice cream and gravestones, and I was like, wow,
this is that his aunt and it was so funny
and he was so hilarious and charming when he told
it that. I just wanted to mention it because it
was a great, very funny memory. And he unfortunately died
(08:14):
I think when he was thirty three. I think he
was very young. Heart condition like, it was very sudden
and troubling. It was very sudden, and he was very young.
He was very young, and it stunk. But I thought
that would be a fun way to remember what a
funny and incredibly talented person he was, because he was
also a spectacular singer. But yeah, the marble gravestone being
(08:39):
used to make fudge, I was like, is this Cones
and Stones too well? And it made me think about
my grandmother making mints using a slab of marble and
having this moment where I was like, was my grandma
Jenny's I was my grandma Jenny's marble slab a gray
(09:00):
of stone? Pretty sure it was not? I mean, that
would delight me to no end to discover but that's
because I'm you know, that is exactly the kind of
thing that would delight me. But sure, sure, um. I
did try to look up whether Cones and Stones was
legit or anything that he had concocted for our entertainment.
(09:21):
I didn't find anything, but it would have been long
enough back that it might. It would be hard without
visiting that town and going through their their records, which
I have no real interest in doing just for the
sake of a comedy bit. So thanks so much everybody
for joining us for this week's Unearthed episodes. We will
be back tomorrow with a Saturday classic and then Monday
(09:41):
with something else brand new and drop us a note
if you like history podcast at i heart radio dot com.
Stuff You Missed in History Class is a production of
I heart Radio. For more podcasts from I heart Radio,
visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever
you listen to your favorite shows. H
Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
of I Heart Radio. Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy B.
Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. This week we had our
latest installment of Unearthed and which I encountered a new
(00:22):
and unexpected research Ticcup tell me about it. There is
a website called eurek Alert, and eurik Alert is a
place where researchers, the institutions that they work for those
kinds of people in places, post the press releases for
(00:42):
their research. It is a very helpful place to find
information for this because the most of the time you
have something that was written by the researchers themselves or
by somebody representing them. There's usually a link directly to
the paper in quite sen to go get more information.
It's all there together. And the way that I've been
(01:04):
researching this starting in because I did not do any
advanced work and that caused a problem. And I put
all of these things together in an RSS reader and
then periodically I go through them over the course of
the quarter, and I bookmark all the stuff that I
am going to refer back to you later to possibly
(01:26):
talk about on Unearthed. And as the end, of September
was approaching, I was doing this task and I kind
of went, I haven't seen anything from eurek alert in
a while. And it turned out that during this quarter
of the year, eurik alert had put out a new
update to its website with a totally new design, and
(01:48):
they got rid of all of their RSS feeds, and
so I had not seen anything from there and probably
a month. So I have not figured out a better
solution than just periodically going directly to eurek alert and
looking at things there. It was not the most joyous
(02:08):
part of this research experience. I was very disappointed at
the loss of the eurek Alert rsspeed don't don't Yeah, yeah,
I remember you messaging me kind of a DEMI frantic.
There's no horriss on Eureka never fun the bookmark plug
(02:29):
in that I've been using to keep all of the
stuff organized. Also, I can exports an HTML file of
all of the links, and that's what I used to
keep up with what I've looked at and what I
have not And for whatever reason, um it did not
promptly email me the exported thing like it normally does,
and I was like, oh no, I hope this isn't
(02:49):
broken too, but it was not broken. It just took
longer than torrible. That's like a harrowing moment, right of
like everything is falling out from under me. Yeah, And
that's by really with you know, episodes that I enjoy
working on. That the fact that I have done this
advanced legwork through the course of the quarter, like it
(03:10):
makes the process of pulling it together a little mentally
easier than some of the like let's research a whole
original thing starting from scratch. Um. So I'm sure I
will figure out a good EUREK alert solution right now,
I'm not sure. Another thing that I meant to talk
about last time and didn't do, but is related to
(03:32):
those couple of papers that we talked about about, like
the ethics of doing remote sensing and the language we
used to talk about stuff. One of the things that
has shifted and how I have talked about stuff and
working on these episodes and how I've done the research
um is especially when researchers have been working on something
(03:53):
that is related to indigenous people, making sure that the
researchers asked, like back in and fourteen and more earlier
time of working on the show, like sometimes I would
find a paper it was like, Oh, this is really interesting,
this thing that they discovered about how this indigenous society operated.
(04:14):
And now I'm like, did you ask though, like, did
you have permission to be working with this nation's artifacts
that you have input from them on your research at all?
And it has become way more of a hard and
fast rule of if I find a paper that is
about an indigenous nation and it doesn't seem like they
(04:35):
had that indigenous nation's cooperation and collaboration at all, like
I'm really reluctant to get into that work. One of
the papers that I found when preparing this particular installment
of Unearthed was about one particular I don't want to
I don't want to drag any researchers because I haven't
(04:56):
talked directly to them. I did not seek comment from them,
so I don't want to reveal a bunch of identifying
stuff about their paper. But what they were working on
was related to ancestral Pabloans, and it did not seem
like they had talked to any pablo In people living currently.
And most of their work was involving looking at early
(05:16):
archaeological work that earlier generations of mostly white archaeologists have done,
and I was like, I'm not confident that this was
all handled ethically right, and like that has just been
one of the ways that these episodes have evolved over
the years. I have funnier things to discuss. Oh yeah, yes,
(05:39):
the gut contents of Tollent Man. But part of me
is like, one, we don't know. Maybe his fish was
just seared on the outside. Oh maybe, and the inside
was tender and perfect and not overcooked. But two, did
that not like shake you in a way where you're like, please,
dear universe, don't let someone investigate my stomach contents and
(06:04):
publish about it after I am deceased. Well, now that
you mention it, they're gonna be like, she drank like
two gallons of coffee a day and clearly had a
very strange and wonky diet, and then everyone will be like, oh,
you ate like a child, and I'll be like I did,
but I'll be dead, so I can't say that I'm
(06:27):
more In this particular case, was just sad at the
idea that maybe Tall and Man's last meal had been
a sad, slightly burned porridge, because that doesn't sound very appetizing.
But now I'm like, yeah, future archaeologists might be like,
there's a lot of cheese in here, right, They'll be like, girl,
(06:47):
I don't know what you're eating. I worry. These are
the things that worry me. I have another thing that
um is perhaps strange, but it is related to that
slab that was used for culinary purposes that was a tombstone,
really a gravestone. Yeah. Yes, this is a little bit
of a walk elsewhere, but it's such a good story
(07:07):
and it's keeping alive the memory of someone who is
gone that I thought was hilarious, So I'm gonna try it.
Did you I think you watched the show Angel when
it was on h Do you remember the character of Louren,
who was like the demon Lounge singer Andy Hallett, the
actor who played that role was hilarious and we um.
(07:29):
I don't know if you went to the talk that
he gave like a panel a Dragon Con one year,
where he talked about I don't remember how it even
came up, but it delighted me so that I wrote
it all down so I would always remember it then,
not knowing that he would not be with us very long.
But he talked about his teenage job, which was working
in his aunt's store, which was called Cones and Stones,
(07:54):
which sold ice cream and gravestones, and I was like, wow,
this is that his aunt and it was so funny
and he was so hilarious and charming when he told
it that. I just wanted to mention it because it
was a great, very funny memory. And he unfortunately died
(08:14):
I think when he was thirty three. I think he
was very young. Heart condition like, it was very sudden
and troubling. It was very sudden, and he was very young.
He was very young, and it stunk. But I thought
that would be a fun way to remember what a
funny and incredibly talented person he was, because he was
also a spectacular singer. But yeah, the marble gravestone being
(08:39):
used to make fudge, I was like, is this Cones
and Stones too well? And it made me think about
my grandmother making mints using a slab of marble and
having this moment where I was like, was my grandma
Jenny's I was my grandma Jenny's marble slab a gray
(09:00):
of stone? Pretty sure it was not? I mean, that
would delight me to no end to discover but that's
because I'm you know, that is exactly the kind of
thing that would delight me. But sure, sure, um. I
did try to look up whether Cones and Stones was
legit or anything that he had concocted for our entertainment.
(09:21):
I didn't find anything, but it would have been long
enough back that it might. It would be hard without
visiting that town and going through their their records, which
I have no real interest in doing just for the
sake of a comedy bit. So thanks so much everybody
for joining us for this week's Unearthed episodes. We will
be back tomorrow with a Saturday classic and then Monday
(09:41):
with something else brand new and drop us a note
if you like history podcast at i heart radio dot com.
Stuff You Missed in History Class is a production of
I heart Radio. For more podcasts from I heart Radio,
visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever
you listen to your favorite shows. H
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