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This 2019 episode covers a man who's story is tied to SO MANY other notable historic things, including a lot of business with Sir Walter Raleigh. He's really not a household name like many of his contemporaries, even though he was neck-and-neck with them in terms of discoveries.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Happy Saturday. Since Thomas Harriet got a quick name drop
in this week's episode on evangelista Tori Kelly, we thought
we would share our episode on him as Today's Saturday Classic. Yep,
if you recalled on the show, I mentioned that I
might have been inspired to get a tattoo by that
whole research process, and I did get it. I have

(00:23):
a map of the moon as drawn by Thomas Harriet
Circus six twelve on my leg. Now, uh, if you
ever meet me in public and I'm wearing clothing that
allows me to flash you my calf without any problem,
I will do so, and then you will know I
love it so much. Many things to my tattoo artist Brandy.

(00:45):
This episode originally came out on July, so enjoy Welcome
to Stuff You missed in History Class, a production of
I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

(01:06):
Holly Fry and I'm Tracy Wilson. So hey everybody. On
July this year. That was just a few days ago.
It was the fiftieth anniversary of the Apollo eleven moon landing,
and last December, the Museum of Flight had reached out
to us to see if we wanted to participate in
the pod crawl that they have been doing as part
of the celebration, And of course we said yes, because
space history area in which I think it is safe

(01:28):
to say I have some rabies in the good sense. True, true,
I am a rabbit fan of space history. But since
some of the other shows on their list, we're probably
going to hit some of the great history of the
space program that's a little more recent, we thought that
it might be fun if we reached farther back, way back,
so far back yeah, to the sixteenth century, uh and

(01:50):
into the seventeenth century and talk about Thomas Harriet, who
was a mathematician and astronomer who made some very significant
telescopic observations, some of which related to the moon. But
his story is also tied to so many other notable
historic things, including a lot of business with Sir Walter Rawleigh. Uh.
And he is really not a household name like a

(02:11):
lot of his contemporaries are, even though he was neck
and neck with them in terms of discoveries. And we're
going to talk a little bit about why that's the
case at the end of the episode, and we'll give
you more information on that podcrawl at the end of
the episode in case you want to check out the
other work that people have been doing to celebrate this
fiftieth the anniversary. A lot of cool podcasts right about now.
So Harriet was born in Oxford, England, probably in fifteen

(02:35):
sixty during the reign of Queen Elizabeth the First, but
we don't know much at all about the first twenty
years of his life. This is the case a lot
of people from that long ago. His parents probably were commoners,
and then he kind of pops up in the historical
record when he entered school at the University of Oxford
at the age of seventeen. He graduated with his degree

(02:56):
in eight in fifteen eighty and with an education in math,
maddics and astronomy, he jumped right into working life. And
the job that he found right out of school was
working for none other than Sir Walter Raleigh as a
math tutor and in various other tasks as needed. And
one of his first projects under Raleigh was the composition
of a book which was titled Arcticon, which was apparently

(03:17):
a navigational text. And I have to say apparently, because
no copy of that writing survives, so we don't really
know entirely what was included there. At this point in history,
soldier and explorer Sir Humphrey Gilbert, who was Raleigh's half brother,
was seen as something of an expert on the so
called New World of North America. Although most of his
expeditions had failed, they had slowly drained off his coffers.

(03:40):
By the time Gilbert died in three Thomas Harriet had
convinced Raleigh to continue England's exploration of North America. Harriet
was instrumental in helping Raleigh to prepare for his colonizing
expedition in We're gonna talk about this a little bit more,
but there's also more information about these things in the
previous Sir Walter Raleigh episode. People want that, yeah, uh yeah,

(04:02):
that's ah. It's not as though Raleigh had no interest.
And then Thomas Harriet was like, we could do that.
He was definitely interested, but Harriet was like, yes, dude,
we can do this for real. I will help you.
When Raleigh's Virginia expedition of that year set out from
Plymouth that was on April nine, Harriet was aboard as
the ship's scientific advisor, which included some working cartography as

(04:24):
well as giving navigational advice, and he was also there
as Raleigh's representative, as Raleigh himself could not make the trip,
so in addition to his advisory role on route, once
the ship arrived in North America, Harriet was to take
stock of the land's economic potential, and Raleigh also asked
Harriet to similarly assess the indigenous peoples that the expedition encountered. Harriet,

(04:46):
along with another man named John White, carried out all
these tasks. White mapped and sketched the land that they traveled,
and Harriet made notes on all of it. White also
made drawings of the native population, and Harriet gathered plants
along the way as part of his sport. He tried
to note which ones could be monetized, and we'll talk
a little bit more about conclusions he came to in

(05:06):
just a moment. Harriet, for his part, seems to have
had some pretty good relations with the indigenous populations. He
was really adept at learning languages. Some of the like
brief like blurbs about him will also say that he
was like a linguist or language scholar, because that was
something that served him throughout his life. He kind of
came to it because it made things easier, as he

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could then consult various texts in whatever his subject of
interest was without needing to seek out translations. And he
had picked up some Algonquin language from two Native Americans
who had traveled to England before Harriet made his trip
across the Atlantic, and then once he was in North America,
he continued to improve his knowledge, specifically of Carolina Algonquin

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that was spoken along the eastern coast in the areas
they were exploring. By the time assistance arrived at the
Virginia Colony in the form of Sir Francis Drake's eighties
six expedition, things with that five group had come really tenuous,
and Harriet and White were really eager to get back home,
which they did in a hurry as soon as Dray
could arrange it. While Raleigh arranged additional expeditions to the colonies,

(06:10):
he moved Harriet onto other projects instead of sending him
across the Atlantic again. Yeah, that colonization effort was considered
a failure. Uh An account of Harriet's experiences in Raleigh's expedition,
A Brief and True Report of the Newfoundland of Virginia,
was printed in. As we all know, I love the crazy, long,
nutty titles history, and this one is a doozy. So

(06:33):
the full name of that book is a brief and
true report of the Newfoundland of Virginia, of the commodities
and of the nature and manners of the natural inhabitants
discovered by the English Colony. They're seated by Sir Richard
Grenville Knight in the year fifty five, which remained under
the government of twelve months, at the special charge and
direction of the Honorable Sir Walter Raleigh Knight, Lord Warden

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of the standardis who they're in hath been favored and
authorized by Her Majesty and her letters patents, and then
it had the after attribution. This four book is made
in English by Thomas Harriet, servant to the above named
Sir Walter, a member of the Colony, and they're employed
in discovering. I'm tired after getting through that whole name.

(07:18):
It's really um. It tickles me to look at the
title page for that book because it is just the
busiest thing you can imagine. Despite the fact that Thomas Harriet,
who I feel like we should point out, you'll see
his name spelled a variety of ways if you go
looking for it. Um. But despite his many writings and
accomplishments that he made throughout his years, that was the

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only book of his that was published during his lifetime.
So White illustrated this book and it details the basics
of their journey and includes discussion of what caused that
colony effort to fail. Most of that boils down to
the people involved really not being ready for just how
difficult it was going to be, which we've had a

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lot of that story. While for many this failure was
really damning to Raleigh's colonization efforts, Harriet makes the case
that future efforts could address the problems from voyage and
that future attempts should be allowed to continue. And the
book also delivers on the promise to report on the
financial potential of colonizing in North America. The first part

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of the book is called of Merchantable Commodities, and in
it Harriet breaks down the properties of a variety of
resources that were observed on the journey, and he includes
entries on grass, silk worm, silk, flax, and hemp alum,
red clay, pitch, tar, resonant, turpentine, sassafras, cedar, wine, oil,
and furs, and in the wine entry he mentioned specifically

(08:45):
two types of grapes that grow naturally in Virginia that
could be used to make wine, and under the fur
entry he specifically mentions otters, which is a little sad uh.
He continues on with deer skins, iron copper pearls, sweet gums,
dyes of diverse kinds, and sugarcanes. The section concludes with
the possibility of importing other commodities that could be planted

(09:05):
in Virginia and thrive, and the high likelihood that there
are also other potential resources native to the area which
surely had not yet been discovered. The second section of
the book is titled of such commodities as Virginia is
known to yield for vittle and sustenance of man's life,
usually fed upon by the natural inhabitants, as also by

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us during the time of our abroad, and first of
such as are sewed and husbanded. The section is not
about goods to be exported or traded, but the resources
that could be counted on to sustain a colony, and
these included beans, peas, gourds, and various herbs, as well
as root vegetables and fruits. Strawberries, mulberries, chestnuts, walnuts, and

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acorns are all mentioned. Harriet also described the planting practices
he observed is carried out by the indigenous population and
ways that those could be replicated on a larger scale.
Later on in this section is a discussion of the
wild game that could be caught in the area, including
deer coneys, which some debate on whether that just meant
like slightly different rabbits, squirrels, and bears. And there's a

(10:10):
second part of the beasts section that is just about birds,
including turkeys, doves, partridges, cranes, swans, and geese. He also
mentions parrots, falcons, and hawks, of which he writes quote
although with us they be not used for meat, yet
for other causes, I thought good to mention. And then uh,
there are seafood options that he mentions, including areas, fish, crustaceans,

(10:31):
and mollusks. Uh. I know that there are lots of
people who call rabbits coney's, so yeah, but then sometimes
if you look it up, people will say, no, it's
like a related rodent, but not exactly around it. Really,
it was just a word that got used a lot
and as a consequence that has brewed some debate. We'll
talk about the final section of the book, as well

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as its impact on both North America and Europe after
we first pause for a quick sponsor break. The third
section of Harriet's book is called of such other things
as behooful for those which shall plant and inhabit, to

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know of with a description of the nature and manners
of the people of the country, And that is exactly
what you might expect. It's a guide of sorts for
anyone trying to make a go of it in the colonies.
It offers, for example, insights into what trees might be
good for lumber, and also what to expect from the
native population, and on and on. Harriet's characterization of the

(11:32):
indigenous people's is important because though he absolutely makes it
clear that he finds them to quote show excellence of wit,
he also mentions a lot of ideas that really telegraph
the future for relations between the European colonists and North
America's indigenous population. Here is the passage that really illustrates
this quote. If their fall out any wars between us

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and them, what their fight is likely to be We
having advantages against them So any manner of ways is
by our discipline are strange weapons and devices, else, especially
by ordinance great and small. It might be easily imagined
by the experience we have had in some places the
turning up of their heels against us in running away
was their best defense. Yeah. He states pretty plainly that

(12:18):
although he can recognize that the Native Americans exhibit their
own ingenuity, they also seemed to be in awe of
the Europeans mechanical achievements, and that that is something that
could be used to advantage by white settlers. One of
the reasons we're talking in such detail about Harriet's book
and in particular these characterizations, is because this writing was

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hugely influential. It was published in multiple languages, and it
became the informational text about North America for Europeans. So
does some degree really laid the groundwork for the ways
in which indigenous populations were viewed and subsequently treated by
the colonists, republished in so many different places, included in

(12:59):
larger volumes of work about colonization and world exploration. Like
it would be plopped in as a chapter. It really
really was read by anyone interested in any kind of
exploration from Europe into North America, and after Harriet returned
from North America, he settled for a while in Ireland
in an abbey on Land that was owned by Sir

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Walter Raleigh, and that is where he worked on the
manuscript of a brief entry report. He also surveyed Raleigh's
Irish property claims. At this point, England was also colonizing
Ireland after a particularly brutal land grab. Sir Humphrey Gilbert
that we mentioned earlier in particular, had been really incredibly
ruthless when it came to killing non combatants during the

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campaigns there as a means to victory and in order
to seize more Land. While working for Raleigh during this time,
Harriet also expanded his efforts in map making. He worked
alongside famed English globemaker Emray Molanneu and with a Belgian
map maker, gerardis Mercat, to assist in refining their efforts
to be more through it. In the fifteen nineties, after

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more than fifteen years in Sir Walter Raleigh's employee, Harriet
moved to work instead for Henry Percy, ninth, Earl of Northumberland,
who was a friend of Sir Walter Raleigh, and this
was due to the fact that Sir Walter Raleigh was
mired in his own issues. His colony projects, both in
Ireland in North America had not really gone terribly well,
and his secret marriage to best rock Morton led Raleigh

(14:24):
to fall out of favor with the Queen. We talked
about all of this in our Beheading of Walter Raleigh
episode if you want to get the whole scoop on
that um. And though Sir Walter Raleigh was able to
regain his position at court eventually it kind of get
his favor back. The instability of his fortunes just led
Harriet to seek work elsewhere. But the two men did
not seem to have any ill will between them over

(14:44):
this change and employment. They stayed close friends for the
rest of their lives. Harriet moved once again to land
and a home that was granted to him by his patron.
Percy gave Thomas Harriet an estate in Durham, England, as
well as a home just west of London. He used
the house that was conferred upon him as his workplace
home and he set up a lab there for his research.

(15:05):
He continued to study mathematics and astronomy. Many of the
areas in which he researched and experimented where things he
had started while he was in Raleigh's employ But in
this new lab, with a regular annual pension that was
granted him by Percy, he was able to explore these
ideas more fully. This is really the point at which
he becomes a set man, like he doesn't have to

(15:25):
worry about money, he doesn't have to worry about taking
care of things. He can just focus on his work.
And one thing that really starts to emerge when you
look at Harriet's work is how one thing that he
was interested tended to lead to another as his curiosity
became his guide. So, for example, he had done some
work studying ballistics in part of his work for Sir
Walter Raleigh, where they were planning for potential military engagements,

(15:50):
and that led him to then consider the physics of
falling in the laws of motion, and these particular efforts
actually paralleled the work that was being done by Galileo
in Italy at the same time. This is the case
with a lot of Harriet's work. He and Galileo were
kind of like onto a lot of the same concepts,
and the story goes that it was his work figuring
out the best way to stack cannonballs on a ship's deck,

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which was an assignment that Raleigh had given to him,
that led him to think about the structure of matter.
He was onto the idea that matter was made up
of smaller component parts, and that led him to be
regarded with suspicion in certain circles as early as the
fifteen nineties. Being associated with Sir Walter Raleigh caused Raleigh's
critics to seek out any possible scandal that they could

(16:32):
regarding Harriet, and the best that they could clamp onto
was the fact that he was an atomist. This idea
that all things could be analyzed to their distinct elementary components.
Atomism was seen by many at this time as an
affront to Christianity, and soon a rumor began that Harriet
was a conjuror and an atheist. Harriet himself never seemed

(16:53):
to make any conclusive statement or include any notes in
his known writing that he was anti Christian pro atheism,
but it was kind of the decision of the rumor. Millah,
It's like the rumors that maybe people were secretly Catholic right.
In sixty three, after Queen Elizabeth the First died, Sir

(17:16):
Walter Raley was imprisoned in the Tower of London under
orders from King James the First after being found guilty
of conspiring to overthrow the new monarch, and Henry Percy
also found himself in the Tower under King James the
First rule Percy was implicated in a tertiary way in
the Gunpowder plot, which was a failed effort to assassinate
James the First. Henry Percy's cousin, Thomas Percy, was an

(17:38):
active conspirator in that plot, and it had been Henry
who had appointed Thomas as a gentleman pensioner without express
permission to do so from the King, and that had
given Thomas traction in London to move forward with his plot.
And for that misstep, Henry Percy stayed in the Tower
of London for sixteen years and paid a hefty fine. Naturally,

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with his two primary benefactors and hot water, Thomas Harriet
was also looked on with a lot of suspicion. He
was detained briefly under the charge of having cast the
King's horoscope, but he was released after being only briefly imprisoned.
After he regained his freedom, he served as a connection
from Raleigh and Percy to the outside world. He also
continued to live at Science House, in the home that

(18:20):
Percy had given him outside of London. While Raleigh was imprisoned,
Harriet helped him with his massive History of the World
writing project, and he looked after the education of Algernon Percy,
Sir Henry Percy's firstborn son. He was the tenth Earl
of Northumberland. I think it was his third child, but
first son. Uh And while his name is not as
commonly known as many of his contemporaries to today's years,

(18:42):
Harriet was very well known and respected in his own lifetime,
in part because of that book he wrote about North America,
but also in the scientific community. He and Johannes Kepler
corresponded about lenses and optics beginning in sixteen o six
as the two of them worked concurrently on unlocking the
under standing of light refraction, and during this time Harriet

(19:03):
developed the formula that would eventually come to be known
as Snell's law or the Snell Descarte law, which is
defined as a relationship between the path taken by a
ray of light in crossing the boundary or surface of
separation between two contacting substances and the refractive index of each.
Although it wasn't Harriet's version of that equation that became

(19:24):
famous uh That law is attributed to the Dutchman will
Abroord Snell for discovering it in se Harriet was completely
onto it a decade earlier, although he was not the
first either. Persian mathematician Ibbin Salt described the universal relationship
for refraction using ratios and the sign law all the
way back in beating both of the Europeans by a

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very wide six year margin. On September six oh seven,
Harriet used a cross staff instrument to observe the passing
of what would later come to be known as Halley's comment.
Though Sir Edmund Halley wasn't born yet and would see
the commet himself and it's next pass in two, this
further stoked his interest in optics. We're going to talk

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in just a moment about Harriet's unpublicized astronomical discoveries, but
first we're going to hear from one of the sponsors
that keeps his show going. Unsurprisingly, all of that interest
in light refraction and optics that we talked about before

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the break was part of an increased interest in telescopes.
By sixteen o nine, Harriet had started working in earnest
with telescopes, both acquiring them and making his own, and
for the next four years in particular, he made a
great number of significant astronomical observations with them. One of
the most important things that Harriet did and wasn't fully
accredited until recently, was to observe the Moon through a

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telescope and then make drawings of the lunar surface while
he was working to try to make sense of it.
His earliest known drawing of the Moon is from July
sixteen o nine on the Julian calendar. That date is
significant because it puts Harriet's work on the moon's observation
a few months ahead of Galileo's. Although Galileo is usually
credited with being the first, to be fair, Harriet's lunar

(21:11):
drawings are incredibly rudimentary. If you just looked at them
and you did not have the context of someone saying
that is the Moon, it might be something you couldn't
figure out. They all just kind of look like circles
with mystery squiggles scrawled on them, But by six thirteen
he had produced two much more detailed moon maps, which

(21:31):
may be the first instances of astronomical cartography. I will
also tell you that I decided while researching this that
I'm getting one of those as a tattoo. Awesome, Yeah,
if you uh. They are much more recognizably the Moon
than the earlier drawings. Yeah, and even so, I mean
he those are criticized as not really getting the topography

(21:53):
exactly right, but it's still like the first time someone
tried to capture it in map form. Yeah. In December
sixteen ten, Harriet was the first person to observe sun
spots through a telescope, and this too happened at about
the same time that Galileo was making similar observations. Harriet's
drawings of these are similar to his moon sketches. They're

(22:13):
almost inscrutable in terms of what they are supposed to be.
If you don't know that these are sun spots, they
just sort of look like blourpy dots in a circle.
You would think somebody's built something on that there. Really
there's no detail. Well, and sometimes sun spots do just
look like somebody, right, So without any context. Yeah, if

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somebody just held it up to you with no, you'd
be like, I don't did somebody? I don't know what
that is? Do you find it somewhere? Um. It is
unclear exactly why Harriet didn't publicize his work, particularly these
various pieces of potentially history making astronomy. One common theory
is that because he was in pretty good financial standing,

(22:54):
he just did not have the compulsion or the need
to seek attention for his work, which would have come
with financial benefit. Galilee, on the other hand, kind of
needed the cash. Uh and the fact that his two
high profile friends and benefactors were both in prison at
the time may have also been a factor as well.
He might have wished to minimize public attention for fear
that it would just stir up problems, either that he

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would be seen as suspicious again, or that it would
cause problems for the two of them. In sixteen thirteen,
Thomas Harriet developed an ulcer on his left nostril, and
then the problem progressed over the next two years, with
ulcers developing on his lips and nose. The King's physician,
Sir Theodore Turquette Demyerne, saw Harriet to examine the problem
on sixteen fifteen and diagnosed it as cancer. The doctor

(23:39):
noted that the patient seemed melancholy and made mention in
his write up that Harriet was the person who first
brought tobacco from Virginia. This is possibly the first time
somebody made the connection between tobacco use and cancer, at
least in writing. Yeah, it was notable that he kind
of was discussing this particular problem and then brought up
the tobacco thing. It's uh, it's an interesting connection that

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I think. I don't know if he was particularly insightful
or other doctors were thinking similar things, but this is
one of the first evidences we have of someone actually
writing it down. In sixteen eighteen, Harriet watched as his
friend and supporter, Sir Walter Raleigh, was executed by beheading.
Harriet's health had continued to worsen so that by that
year the only things that he really noted in his

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personal papers, and this was a man that kept a
lot of notes throughout his life, where the death of
Raleigh and the observation of a comet in one Harriet
succumbed to skin cancer. He died on July two in
the home of Thomas Buckner and never married or had
any children, and he was buried in the Church of
St Christopher le Stocks on thread Needle Street, near Buckner's

(24:43):
London residence. The Great Fire of sixteen sixty six destroyed
this grave site and today it's the Bank of England's headquarters.
That always cracks me up. It shows up in almost
anything you read where they're like, he was buried here.
Now it's the Bank of England. Uh. Harriet bequeathed his
telescopes to his executors and his scientific papers to Henry Percy,

(25:05):
with a note that they should be edited and prepared
for publication by a long time acquaintance, Nathaniel Torpoli. He
wanted most of his non scientific personal notes related to
Raleigh and other deceased persons to be buried. While Harriet
asked to have his work published after he died, he
unfortunately hadn't really prepared his research to that end. This
is just a really big ask and it did not

(25:26):
really happen. With one exception. This is really a pity
because he not only had a four decade long career,
but the mathematicians and scientists who survived him weren't able
to then build on his work without having access to
his notes, he had assembled a manuscript for a book
titled Application of the Analytical Art to Solving Algebraic Equations.

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That book was published ten years after his death and
introduced the greater than and less than symbols, as well
as that long horizontal brace that covers terms that are
affected by a radical sign. The histories attribute these symbols
to Harriet, although others say that these elements were inclusions
from the editor that prepared the manuscript for publication rather

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than things that Harriet himself developed. Yeah, he sometimes that
that book will also be credited with inventing like the
dot between two things as a multiplication symbol. But there's
that also may just be a different way that numbers
were separated for clarity. Um, so maybe maybe not. When

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the Royal Society of London was founded in sixteen sixty,
one of its first initiatives was an effort to recover
the lost work of Harriet, because, again, he was known
in his lifetime, so people were cognizant of the fact
that when he had died forty years before that they
had lost some important research. For seven years from the
time that Society received its Royal charter from Charles the

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Second in sixteen sixty two. Up until sixteen sixty nine,
the whereabouts of Harriet's notes were investigated. There were a
lot of inquiries made, but it was a fruitless effort
and eventually that project was abandoned. At that point it
was believed that Harriet's work was gone, and that remained
the belief of the scientific community for more than a century.
In seventeen eighty four, though, there was a surprise breakthrough

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of sorts. Hungarian born astronomer Franz Xaver Baron von Zack
had traveled to England to work for the Saxon ambassador
in London. That was John Maurice, Count of Brule, and
that happened in sevent three and while he was at
Pentworth Castle in Sussex, von Zach's found a number of
Thomas Harriet's manuscripts at the bottom of a trash pile

(27:33):
and a stable. Yeah that property was still owned by
Henry Percy's descendants. Uh, so presumably those papers had just
been shuffled around for a while and someone who didn't
know what they were just tossed him aside. And this
find was of course significant because von Zack saw that
Harriet's work had put him ahead of other astronomers of
his time, including Kepler and Galileo, and the Baron parlayed

(27:56):
his discovery into a tour of Europe where he talked
about Harriet, but he never really took the work to
the next level to do an in depth analysis of
what he had found, like he never published a paper
on it, and the excitement over finding these these papers
in manuscripts died down with no new revelations or write ups,
and von Zack took a new job working for the
Royals of Sex Gotha in seventy six, and at that

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point he seems to have moved on from his Harriet interest.
So while other interested parties made some efforts at really
studying Harriet's work, it was not until the twentieth century
that the insights he had and the observations he made
really came into their own. It became the focus of study,
so much so that there have been numerous Thomas Harriet
symposia going on since the late nineteen sixties. In July

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two thousand nine, Harriet's lunar drawings were part of an
exhibit at the West Sussex Record Office in Chichester, and
the lunar maps are cared for by the West Sussex
Record Office. They keep them pretty much full time, although
they are the property of one of Henry Percy's descendants,
so we mentioned up at the top of the podcast.
This episode is part of the Apollo pod Crawl that
was organized by the Museum of Flight in Seattle as

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part of their celebration of the first Crude moon landings
fiftieth anniversary. You can check out our show notes for
links to the other participating podcasts, including the museum's own
Flight Deck podcast. I think we're probably the last episode
of this pod crawl coming out, so all the others
should be available by the time we get to this point.

(29:25):
I think so and hope so um, I mean, I
hope that's accurate. So, but that is as the of
the moment we record it. We're still waiting on a
couple of groups to report in, so uh yeah, but
those are all going to be super fun to check
out if you are into space history, which I know
many of our listeners are because we always get great
responses to our space episodes and our discussions of NASA

(29:50):
and space exploration in astronomy, then you will probably want
to check those out. Yeah, I might make for a
fun day of just having spacetime. Thanks so much for
joining us on this Saturday. Since this episode is out
of the archive, if you heard an email address or
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