August 24, 2016 • 32 mins
Even though Edward Jones served two prison sentences for his intrusions into Buckingham palace, it seems that the authorities were willing to do almost anything to keep him away from London.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to steph you missed in history Class from dot com. Hello,
and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly Fry and I'm
tra c V. Wilson. And in our last episode we
talked about the multiple times during Queen Victoria's early reign
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that a young man named Edward Jones, who was referred
to in the press as the Boy Jones, managed to
get into Buckingham Palace and wander around and basically be
super creepy. Uh. When we left off, he had been
found a third time in Buckingham Palace, though he claimed
to have been there more than that, and he was
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serving a sentence of hard labor for it. We're going
to jump right back in where we left off, So
if you have not listened to that first part, you
probably want to do that now before you get into
this one, or this will not make sense. Yep. I mean,
you might just try to glean everything from context, but
it's a lot easier you listen to the first one. Yeah. So,
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as we mentioned at the end of that first part,
he was commonly called the boy Jones and the press,
and he had become kind of a sensation because of
his criminal activity, because he had managed to enter the
palace so many times, but never seemed to cause physical
harm to anybody. A lot of people were really fascinated
by him and seemed to see him as this like
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impish hero of the working class messing with the privilege
royals below. To be clear, he was creepy. He was
sleeping under people's beds and eavesdropping on private conversations and
stealing personal items. So we are not at all saying
that he was heroic. No, some people sort of painted
him that way at the time, but no, like that's
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reprehensible and gross. Uh. Members of the press were so
eager to have any word about Edward that reporters would
often buy his father, Henry Jones, drinks in the hopes
that he would become Anebrie needed enough to give them
unfiltered details about Edward and what he was doing during
this hard labor imprisonment. Many people actually applied for permission
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from the prison to visit the boy Jones for interviews.
One of those people just sort of famously was Charles Dickens.
After Edward Jones was released from his second prison sentence
on June fourteenth, eighteen forty one, he often was recognized
in the street, he became the subject of songs and
poems and this ongoing stream of satirical articles that had
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been part of his story from the first time he
had been discovered in the palace. But apparently he didn't
actually like all this attention. He couldn't go out in
public without a crowd forming behind him to following his
every move, and it became so irritating that he gradually
went out less and less so when a journalist approached
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him about putting together a book, because Edward had claimed
that he was working on a book the last time
that he was arrested, and that he was trying to
get information by eavesdropping on the royal family for that book,
it turned out that the boy Jones was not interested
in this project. This was of course a disappointment to
the writer and to edwards father, as the two men
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had been discussing the project and how much a little
money from something like this could really help the Jones family.
They were basically destitute. They had never been wealthy, but
as they were paying back a pretty sizable loan that
they had taken out to cover the lawyer sees from
edwards first trial, they were living in complete poverty. So
while edwards refusal to cooperate with this potential ghost writer
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definitely impacted his family's finances, it did not stop the
writer from going ahead with the project on his own.
Under the pen name of Paul Pry the Elder and
claiming to be an editor on edwards book project, he
wrote and published an account of edwards time in Buckingham,
cobbled together from actual newspaper reports, rumor and things entirely
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made it up. Yeah, and this book was short. It
was just thirty two pages and it was published in
July et one, so right after he got out. It
was very hastily thrown together with the title Royal Secrets
or a Pride in the Palace, And the original plan
for the title had been A Night under the Queen's Bid,
but it was changed over concerns that that might be
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going too far. Uh so this is where you can
feel like, uh, you can join us in an eye roll,
because of course making up stuff is not going too
far at all, apparently, but that title might have been.
In that short month between edwards release and this unauthorized
book being published, Joan had already struggled to return to
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anything like a normal life. In addition to the curious public,
he was often followed by the police, who had been
uh understandably instructed to keep an eye on him, and
his father was trying desperately to turn the situation into
a source of income. Henry Jones allegedly took money from
people to give them a peek at his son, and
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he and his wife tried to accept offers for Edwards
to appear on stage, but Edward shut them down. Yeah,
it's one of those things. I actually feel really bad
for his father, even though he's trying to monetize the situation,
because he really is just trying to feed the family.
It seems, um, I don't know. Well, I similarly feel okay,
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his behavior is reprehensible. I simultaneously feel bad for him. Yeah,
and like those two things are possible feelings to have
at the same time. Yeah, exactly. It's a very conflicted thing. Uh.
But then an escape from the life of scrutiny, which
was also a job opportunity, was offered to the boy
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Jones from an unlikely friend. The family's landlord, William James,
offered to help Edward get a position aboard a ship
called Diamond. James knew the captain and was willing to
pay for the needed uniform and preparation for him to
take the young man on as an apprentice. And for
Henry Jones part, he was really suspicious of this. This
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is kind of where I can't help but feel sort
of bad and some compassion for Henry Jones, because while
he was willing to try to work out some financial stuff,
he was really worried about his son's well being in
many regards, because he thought it seemed really odd that
his landlord, who had historically been pretty unkind to his
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family and a complete stranger, Captain Taylor, we're going to
offer all of this help suddenly to Edward. But just
the same he allowed James to take Edward to meet
with Captain Taylor, and Edward never came home. What happened
at that point is, of course, extremely murky. When Henry
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Jones attempted to inquire after his son and the landlord,
who hadn't come back either got nowhere. Mr James he
was told was expected to be away for some time,
and questions he asked the local shipping office about the
diamonds didn't get back very hopeful answers either. The diamond
had left for Cork and it was not expected to
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come back. Almost immediately, rumors began to swirl and articles
began to appear about what might have happened to the
boy Jones. While kidnapping or some other foul business was
suspected in some of the speculation, the more common story
was that the government had apprehended him with the intent
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to simply erase this problem of this person that had
seemed kind of obsessed with the Queen and that just
made everyone uneasy. There had been a very real fear
that while edwards appearances in Buckingham had never been violent,
he could use his uncanny ability to one day break
into the Palace again with more sinister or violent ideas.
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Henry Jones and his wife actually received a letter ostensibly
from Edwards, sing that he was fine, that he was
in Cork, Ireland, and that he was starting a career
at sea, but the language was so unlike that of
their son that they didn't actually believe it was real.
We are going to talk about what really happened to
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to get back to Edward Jones, it turns out each
of the theories that we talked about before the break,
we're true. The authorities did want to ship Edward Jones away,
and to make that happen, they had employed his landlord
as an agent, which explains the sudden change of demeanor
towards the Jones family, and he, along with the police
inspector named Evans, who was posing as a shipping clerk,
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we're charged with getting the young man onto about going far,
far away. But when Captain Taylor of the Diamond real
lies that the person that he was being paid to
take on was the Queen's now celebrity stalker, he wanted
nothing to do with it. Do with it. He backed
out of the deal, and he was apparently pretty angry
that anyone would deign to push a criminal off on
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his ship. James and Evans couldn't take Jones back to London,
so they did two things. First, they paid another young
man who was emigrating on the Diamond to pretend to
be the boy Jones and spread all kinds of stories
about his time in the Palace to make it seem
to hire authorities that the two men had successfully carried
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out their mission. It's actually worked all the way to Australia,
where the Diamond was headed when it left Britain, but
the young man was found out a few weeks after
they docked there. Yeah, he kept it up for a
good long while. Uh. Second, they ran all over the
coast of Britain trying to find any captain who would
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take Edward off their hands. They figured like they had
their story lockdown in terms of this other person they
had paid to pretend to be Edward, but now they
actually had to still get rid of Edward that couldn't
really bring him anywhere or bring him back home. They
were surprised at how problematic this actually was, but eventually
in Liverpool they were able to find a captain that
was willing to take him, although they disguised Edward to
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hide his identity and just kind of keep the boy
Jones fanfare out of it. So he boarded a ship
named the Tiber which was headed to Brazil. I'm kind
of astonished that they were surprised at how much trouble
they were having. I mean, they're basically like, hey, hey see, captain,
we have this extra judicial kidnapping that we would like
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you to help us with. Are you you know? It
seems like their problem was not that their problem was
more like, we don't want this dude on our ships.
In it indicates there's some interesting indication about sort of
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how uh, the police at this point and the government
maybe we're viewing people who make their livings at sea
as being a little unscrupulous and totally would be fine
with all of this, but of course they were not.
So Another letter that was supposedly sent from Edward wasn't
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to the Joneses at about this time, and as with
the first, that claimed that he was well and went
on to say that he was setting out to see
and also went on at length about what a great
guy William James was, And again this did not seem
to be like a genuine letter from Edward when reviewed
by his family. Yeah, it's really It lays it on
so thick about how great the landlord is. It's like
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he's just the best, you guys, He's amazing. WHI should
just never have been the case. Uh. Mr James did
finally return home in August, but he refused to answer
any questions put to him by Henry Jones about where
Edward had gone sprint. Henry went to the papers and
this started a flurry of back and forth among various publications.
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Tory papers really wanted to put out how unsettling it
was that authorities could just make someone disappear this way.
Their intent was to rile up the Whig Prime Minister
and adviser to the Queen, Lord Melbourne. This seems they
seemed to be on a crusade to expose the truth
of abuse of power, and Melbourne lost the election that
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year and was replaced by Tory Sir Robert Peel. When
it turned out that Peel wasn't interested in revealing any
information about where the boy Jones had gone, the press
about the matter quickly dropped off. Yeah, they didn't want
to criticize a guy that was in their camp, but
so Edward Jones kind of stopped being an important story
to them all of a sudden. Uh. Several months after
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Edward vanished, he reappeared by way of a letter to
the Jones family which had been posted from liver Pool,
and it said that he had been to Brazil and back,
that he absolutely hated his time at sea, that he
had been treated very poorly, and that he was now
stranded and needed money to get home to London. And
unlike the previous letters, this one really did seem to
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be Edwards actual writing and actual words. Henry Jones did
not have the money to send to Edwards, so he
started asking around with friends and neighbors for financial help.
But in the meantime Edward had decided not to wait
around for this money, and he set off on foot
from Liverpool to London, as the crow flies, is about
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two hundred miles or three kilometers, and it took him
more than two weeks. Uh, I feel like that's a
pretty good time. He made it on December eighteenth of
eighteen forty one, although he was in pretty bad shape
when he got home. He had basically subsisted on a
small amount of red that he had been able to purchase,
and then raw turnips that he was able to dig
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up from the ground along the way. If you have
ever tried to eat a raw turnip, that is a
rough way to eat. That's a rough way to sustain yourself. Uh.
And man two miles on foot, that's a long way.
It's a lot of walk him. Of course, the press
once again erupted in a flurry of stories about the
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boy Jones when he suddenly arrived back in London. Some
were full of outrage at what had happened to him,
but others seemed actually pretty irritated that this criminal element
was back in London. Edward, through his father's arrangement, got
a job as an errand runner by a tobacconist Mr
named Mr Elger on a twelvemonth agreement, and things seemed
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like they were going pretty well, although Edward was constantly
afraid that he was being watched. And then on February
four two, after running home in the morning to change
into a clean shirt, he vanished again. Yeah, he had
gotten home, checked in with his mom. She gave him
a clean shirt. He never made it back to work.
The following week, both Henry Jones and the tobacconist received
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letters about the young man's whereabouts. Henry's was written it
claimed by a sea captain that Edward was setting sale
with as he had not been happy in his work.
This was in fact not the case. He had actually been,
for the first time probably in his life, pretty happy
in a job running errands for this tobacconist, so Henry
knew that there had to be some sort of foul
play involved. Again. Mr Elgar's letter was from Edward himself,
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and while it did look like edwards handwriting, the wording
was really awkward and overly formal, which led Henry Jones
to the opinion that it had been dictated to him
under some sort of duress. The contents indicated that Edward
had taken a position at sea. He had, according to
this letter, joined the Royal Navy and was headed to
the United States. In addition to the odd tone of
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the letter, it was signed Edwin rather than Edward, which
invited further suspicions. Yeah, there's uh. There are some theories
that he did that purposely to try to like signal
his family or the tobacconists to know that this was
not his real, uh message, We don't know for certain.
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Henry went to the Home Office, so that is the
United Kingdom ministerial department that handles immigration in matters of
law and order, and he was hoping that they would
investigate or at least follow up in some way on
Edward's disappearance. But because of these letters that claimed that
Edward had willfully taken a position on a ship of
his own volition, Henry Jones was told that there was
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simply nothing to be done. There's nothing to investigate. Your
boy just left. Whether there was any validity to the
idea that Edward had run off of his own free
will or whether he was secreted away by some conspiracy
to keep him away from London and Queen Victoria once again.
All this speculation kept the press busy, and the log
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of the frigate Warspite, which Edwards said he had boarded,
did have an Edward Jones in the log book traveling
with the ship to New York and then back to Portsmouth,
and that he had been promoted during the course of
the journey to first class boy. When the Worst Bite
returned to Great Britain. Edward wasn't allowed to go ashore
by himself. He was watched by senior crew members and
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can only leave the ship if he was escorted. During
one of these shoperone visits to the shops of Portsmouth,
he got away from his keepers though, and he could
not be found. Yeah, he apparently went into a shop
and never came out, and it took a while. And
then when the other crew members that were supposed to
be watching him went in and we're like, hey, that
guy came in and they said, oh, yeah, he asked
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if we had a back door, and we didn't think
anything of it. He just left, which seems like the
most obvious, like, yeah, you are a poor guardian if
your only job is to keep an eye on a person,
and you just kind of let him walk through a
building and out the other side and go. Uh. Edward
of course turns up again. But before we get into
that and how it played out, let's take a break
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and have a word from one of our sponsors. So
to get back to our story. Uh, the authorities were
alerted to the escape, but there was simply no sign
of Edward Jones, that is until someone spotted him at
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his parents house a couple of weeks later. Once again,
he had walked home, though this time he was actually
trying to be stealthy rather than not having any money
to afford a train. So from Portsmouth to London is
about sixty four miles that's a little more than a
hundred kilometers, so it was a much shorter walk, but
still substantial. Edward was apprehended by police and, according to police,
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seemed to be just resigned to whatever punishment was coming.
He was sent back to the war spike quite quickly.
It seemed like no one was able to find out
the story of how he had ended up in the
Navy before he had been shipped out again. Yeah, they
were really intent on just keeping him away from London
and not letting him talk to the press. And information
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about Edward and his life aboard The Worst Bite is
pretty sporadic, like if you look at the records, there's
not a whole lot going on, because much of the
time was pretty routine and without incident. From autumn of
eighteen forty two to early eighteen forty four, Edward really
all but vanished from the record other than standard manifest listings.
He reappears after he went overboard one morning in early
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eighteen forty four, although it remained an issue of debate
as to whether he had ended up in the water
on purpose or by accident. Near the end of the
same year, he tried to escape by swimming to shore
when the Worst Bite was anchored off the coast of Greece,
allegedly trying to see the King of the country. He
was quickly taken into custody by his shipmates, and his
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seafaring life once again resumed. At the end of eighteen
forty five, Edward Jones was transferred to another ship, the Inconstant,
and then there was this private discussion. There are some
letters in the highest levels of the Admiralty about what
to do with this young man who had at that
point Bennett c for four years of forced naval service.
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He eventually was transferred to another ship, Harlequin, on December
thirty one, eighteen forty six. In the fall of eighteen
forty seven, Henry Jones once again made efforts on behalf
of his son, this time asking the lords of the
Admiralty to please release the then twenty three year old
from service. His please worked, and in January eighteen forty eight,
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Edward was back home in London. And an interesting aspect
of this story was a growing sympathy for Edward Jones,
particularly among the working class and the poor of London.
So we talked about how he had kind of become
this weird folk hero to some people, but while he
had always had these supporters as well as detractors, five
years at that point of forced naval service, after already
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serving to prison sentences seemed to a lot of people
bowl and a lot of newspapers to be a punishment
far exceeding the crimes of the infamous boy Jones like.
It really seemed an awful lot of a repayment for
these two break ins to the pet or these three
break ins to the Palace when he had already served
time for them. But even though at this point he
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was in a position to potentially start his life fresh
after being returned to London and his family, the behavior
and fortunes of Edward Jones would once again turned down
a less than ideal path. On Augustine, a young man
was arrested in Lewisham when he was discovered to be
carrying stolen goods, and the suspect claimed to be John Frost,
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a former sailor from Greenwich. During the September trial, Frost
claimed that someone else had given him the items he
was carrying that he was found guilty and sentenced to
a ten year transportation sentence, meaning that he would serve
time in a penal colony. And while Frost was in
custody waiting for his sentence to be carried out, he
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was spotted by a constable who recognized him as none
other than Edward Jones. His identity was then verified by
several other policemen who had worked on the Boy Jones
cases during the years of his repeat showings in Buckingham Palace.
Despite protestations of the young man, who still claimed vehemently
that he was in fact John Frost. Edward Jones a
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k a. John Frost served the next three and a
half years, and the hulks Old Navy ships that were
anchored on the Thames is basically makeshift prisons. He was
then shipped to the Fremantle Colleague in eighteen fifty three.
The day after his arrival, he was released into a
job as an assistant to a piemaker. This really wasn't
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an unusual situation for the Fremancle Colony. Prisoners who weren't
considered to be dangerous were often allowed to just transition
into sort of a settler status if they were willing
to take an apprenticeship. And while this arrangement initially seemed
to work out uh in the winter of eighteen fifty
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five eighteen fifty six, somewhere at the end of one year,
in the beginning of the next Edward Jones returned, this
time by completely unknown means, to London. In May, he
was arrested yet again, this time for a burglary in
which he stole only the gold sash from a major
general's uniform. He once again was using a pseudonym, although
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not a very interesting one. He told people he was
John Jones, and he serves jail time again, this time
being released in eighteen fifty seven. And this is where
the trail of Edward Jones goes fairly cold, and it
makes for kind of an unsatisfying end. So my apologies, listeners. Um,
we know that because of a paperwork tangle, he managed
to avoid being prosecuted ever for running away from his
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transportation sentence, and that's because the pertinent documents on that
trial and sentence still all bore the name of John Frost,
so there was a disconnect between John Frost and Edward Jones. Legally,
where he went when he became a free man is
really something of a mystery, although many things and ideas
were printed in gossip papers speculating about his whereabouts. Yeah,
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according to those, he may have been living with his
younger brother who was fairly successful, or living on his
own but supported by the brother. Uh he didn't appear
on census information is living with his parents, who were
still in London. There have been some rumors as well
that he took another naval commission and wound up dying
at sea, and that he was committed to an asylum
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and died there. But these stories, they're just completely unsubstantiated.
He also may have returned to Australia. There was a
man going by the name of Thomas Jones who died
there on Boxing Day of At that point, he was
quite an older gentleman when he felt he was drunk
to an accidental death. This same man is alleged to
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have told tales only when he was very inebriated of
sneaking in to Buckingham Palace as a boy. So some
people think that that was Edward Jones, but we don't know,
And Thomas Jones was buried in an unmarked grave, so
we really don't know with any kind of certainty what
became of this very odd man. While he inspired various
fictional works, all of them diverge really quickly from reality
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and they just don't really offer many clues and so
what happened. Yeah, so this feels a little cliffhangy, but
really it's like a shrug. We don't know. His life
was such a weird series of like doing foolish things.
But he didn't seem like when he was captured. He
never seemed like a mustache twirling villain in the least.
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He was always kind of like, I don't know, like
he didn't, there would never seem to be a clear
reason for his behaviors, which is uh part of why
I think he fascinates and befuddles people. Yeah. I still, simultaneously,
like I said before, the fact that he was breaking
into the Buckingham Palace and stealing garments and generally being
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just really creepy like that is not good at all.
I do not condone that at all. I simultaneously I
feel kind of sorry for him because this whatever the
fixation was when he was a teenager and then just
followed him around for the rest of his life. Yeah,
he really never recovered from it. And part of it is,
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you know, uh, as you said, it's really creepy, and
the fact that he kept doing it even after like
some pretty serious punishments had doled out at that point.
You're like, well, there's that part of it. It's like
you kind of brought this on yourself, but then to
be kind of kidnapped and forced into service as a
whole other weird problem. It's a complicated tale. Do you
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and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly Fry and I'm
tra c V. Wilson. And in our last episode we
talked about the multiple times during Queen Victoria's early reign
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that a young man named Edward Jones, who was referred
to in the press as the Boy Jones, managed to
get into Buckingham Palace and wander around and basically be
super creepy. Uh. When we left off, he had been
found a third time in Buckingham Palace, though he claimed
to have been there more than that, and he was
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serving a sentence of hard labor for it. We're going
to jump right back in where we left off, So
if you have not listened to that first part, you
probably want to do that now before you get into
this one, or this will not make sense. Yep. I mean,
you might just try to glean everything from context, but
it's a lot easier you listen to the first one. Yeah. So,
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as we mentioned at the end of that first part,
he was commonly called the boy Jones and the press,
and he had become kind of a sensation because of
his criminal activity, because he had managed to enter the
palace so many times, but never seemed to cause physical
harm to anybody. A lot of people were really fascinated
by him and seemed to see him as this like
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impish hero of the working class messing with the privilege
royals below. To be clear, he was creepy. He was
sleeping under people's beds and eavesdropping on private conversations and
stealing personal items. So we are not at all saying
that he was heroic. No, some people sort of painted
him that way at the time, but no, like that's
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reprehensible and gross. Uh. Members of the press were so
eager to have any word about Edward that reporters would
often buy his father, Henry Jones, drinks in the hopes
that he would become Anebrie needed enough to give them
unfiltered details about Edward and what he was doing during
this hard labor imprisonment. Many people actually applied for permission
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from the prison to visit the boy Jones for interviews.
One of those people just sort of famously was Charles Dickens.
After Edward Jones was released from his second prison sentence
on June fourteenth, eighteen forty one, he often was recognized
in the street, he became the subject of songs and
poems and this ongoing stream of satirical articles that had
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been part of his story from the first time he
had been discovered in the palace. But apparently he didn't
actually like all this attention. He couldn't go out in
public without a crowd forming behind him to following his
every move, and it became so irritating that he gradually
went out less and less so when a journalist approached
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him about putting together a book, because Edward had claimed
that he was working on a book the last time
that he was arrested, and that he was trying to
get information by eavesdropping on the royal family for that book,
it turned out that the boy Jones was not interested
in this project. This was of course a disappointment to
the writer and to edwards father, as the two men
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had been discussing the project and how much a little
money from something like this could really help the Jones family.
They were basically destitute. They had never been wealthy, but
as they were paying back a pretty sizable loan that
they had taken out to cover the lawyer sees from
edwards first trial, they were living in complete poverty. So
while edwards refusal to cooperate with this potential ghost writer
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definitely impacted his family's finances, it did not stop the
writer from going ahead with the project on his own.
Under the pen name of Paul Pry the Elder and
claiming to be an editor on edwards book project, he
wrote and published an account of edwards time in Buckingham,
cobbled together from actual newspaper reports, rumor and things entirely
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made it up. Yeah, and this book was short. It
was just thirty two pages and it was published in
July et one, so right after he got out. It
was very hastily thrown together with the title Royal Secrets
or a Pride in the Palace, And the original plan
for the title had been A Night under the Queen's Bid,
but it was changed over concerns that that might be
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going too far. Uh so this is where you can
feel like, uh, you can join us in an eye roll,
because of course making up stuff is not going too
far at all, apparently, but that title might have been.
In that short month between edwards release and this unauthorized
book being published, Joan had already struggled to return to
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anything like a normal life. In addition to the curious public,
he was often followed by the police, who had been
uh understandably instructed to keep an eye on him, and
his father was trying desperately to turn the situation into
a source of income. Henry Jones allegedly took money from
people to give them a peek at his son, and
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he and his wife tried to accept offers for Edwards
to appear on stage, but Edward shut them down. Yeah,
it's one of those things. I actually feel really bad
for his father, even though he's trying to monetize the situation,
because he really is just trying to feed the family.
It seems, um, I don't know. Well, I similarly feel okay,
(05:24):
his behavior is reprehensible. I simultaneously feel bad for him. Yeah,
and like those two things are possible feelings to have
at the same time. Yeah, exactly. It's a very conflicted thing. Uh.
But then an escape from the life of scrutiny, which
was also a job opportunity, was offered to the boy
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Jones from an unlikely friend. The family's landlord, William James,
offered to help Edward get a position aboard a ship
called Diamond. James knew the captain and was willing to
pay for the needed uniform and preparation for him to
take the young man on as an apprentice. And for
Henry Jones part, he was really suspicious of this. This
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is kind of where I can't help but feel sort
of bad and some compassion for Henry Jones, because while
he was willing to try to work out some financial stuff,
he was really worried about his son's well being in
many regards, because he thought it seemed really odd that
his landlord, who had historically been pretty unkind to his
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family and a complete stranger, Captain Taylor, we're going to
offer all of this help suddenly to Edward. But just
the same he allowed James to take Edward to meet
with Captain Taylor, and Edward never came home. What happened
at that point is, of course, extremely murky. When Henry
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Jones attempted to inquire after his son and the landlord,
who hadn't come back either got nowhere. Mr James he
was told was expected to be away for some time,
and questions he asked the local shipping office about the
diamonds didn't get back very hopeful answers either. The diamond
had left for Cork and it was not expected to
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come back. Almost immediately, rumors began to swirl and articles
began to appear about what might have happened to the
boy Jones. While kidnapping or some other foul business was
suspected in some of the speculation, the more common story
was that the government had apprehended him with the intent
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to simply erase this problem of this person that had
seemed kind of obsessed with the Queen and that just
made everyone uneasy. There had been a very real fear
that while edwards appearances in Buckingham had never been violent,
he could use his uncanny ability to one day break
into the Palace again with more sinister or violent ideas.
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Henry Jones and his wife actually received a letter ostensibly
from Edwards, sing that he was fine, that he was
in Cork, Ireland, and that he was starting a career
at sea, but the language was so unlike that of
their son that they didn't actually believe it was real.
We are going to talk about what really happened to
Edward Jones in a moment, but first, how would you
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to get back to Edward Jones, it turns out each
of the theories that we talked about before the break,
we're true. The authorities did want to ship Edward Jones away,
and to make that happen, they had employed his landlord
as an agent, which explains the sudden change of demeanor
towards the Jones family, and he, along with the police
inspector named Evans, who was posing as a shipping clerk,
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we're charged with getting the young man onto about going far,
far away. But when Captain Taylor of the Diamond real
lies that the person that he was being paid to
take on was the Queen's now celebrity stalker, he wanted
nothing to do with it. Do with it. He backed
out of the deal, and he was apparently pretty angry
that anyone would deign to push a criminal off on
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his ship. James and Evans couldn't take Jones back to London,
so they did two things. First, they paid another young
man who was emigrating on the Diamond to pretend to
be the boy Jones and spread all kinds of stories
about his time in the Palace to make it seem
to hire authorities that the two men had successfully carried
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out their mission. It's actually worked all the way to Australia,
where the Diamond was headed when it left Britain, but
the young man was found out a few weeks after
they docked there. Yeah, he kept it up for a
good long while. Uh. Second, they ran all over the
coast of Britain trying to find any captain who would
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take Edward off their hands. They figured like they had
their story lockdown in terms of this other person they
had paid to pretend to be Edward, but now they
actually had to still get rid of Edward that couldn't
really bring him anywhere or bring him back home. They
were surprised at how problematic this actually was, but eventually
in Liverpool they were able to find a captain that
was willing to take him, although they disguised Edward to
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hide his identity and just kind of keep the boy
Jones fanfare out of it. So he boarded a ship
named the Tiber which was headed to Brazil. I'm kind
of astonished that they were surprised at how much trouble
they were having. I mean, they're basically like, hey, hey see, captain,
we have this extra judicial kidnapping that we would like
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you to help us with. Are you you know? It
seems like their problem was not that their problem was
more like, we don't want this dude on our ships.
In it indicates there's some interesting indication about sort of
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how uh, the police at this point and the government
maybe we're viewing people who make their livings at sea
as being a little unscrupulous and totally would be fine
with all of this, but of course they were not.
So Another letter that was supposedly sent from Edward wasn't
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to the Joneses at about this time, and as with
the first, that claimed that he was well and went
on to say that he was setting out to see
and also went on at length about what a great
guy William James was, And again this did not seem
to be like a genuine letter from Edward when reviewed
by his family. Yeah, it's really It lays it on
so thick about how great the landlord is. It's like
(13:44):
he's just the best, you guys, He's amazing. WHI should
just never have been the case. Uh. Mr James did
finally return home in August, but he refused to answer
any questions put to him by Henry Jones about where
Edward had gone sprint. Henry went to the papers and
this started a flurry of back and forth among various publications.
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Tory papers really wanted to put out how unsettling it
was that authorities could just make someone disappear this way.
Their intent was to rile up the Whig Prime Minister
and adviser to the Queen, Lord Melbourne. This seems they
seemed to be on a crusade to expose the truth
of abuse of power, and Melbourne lost the election that
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year and was replaced by Tory Sir Robert Peel. When
it turned out that Peel wasn't interested in revealing any
information about where the boy Jones had gone, the press
about the matter quickly dropped off. Yeah, they didn't want
to criticize a guy that was in their camp, but
so Edward Jones kind of stopped being an important story
to them all of a sudden. Uh. Several months after
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Edward vanished, he reappeared by way of a letter to
the Jones family which had been posted from liver Pool,
and it said that he had been to Brazil and back,
that he absolutely hated his time at sea, that he
had been treated very poorly, and that he was now
stranded and needed money to get home to London. And
unlike the previous letters, this one really did seem to
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be Edwards actual writing and actual words. Henry Jones did
not have the money to send to Edwards, so he
started asking around with friends and neighbors for financial help.
But in the meantime Edward had decided not to wait
around for this money, and he set off on foot
from Liverpool to London, as the crow flies, is about
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two hundred miles or three kilometers, and it took him
more than two weeks. Uh, I feel like that's a
pretty good time. He made it on December eighteenth of
eighteen forty one, although he was in pretty bad shape
when he got home. He had basically subsisted on a
small amount of red that he had been able to purchase,
and then raw turnips that he was able to dig
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up from the ground along the way. If you have
ever tried to eat a raw turnip, that is a
rough way to eat. That's a rough way to sustain yourself. Uh.
And man two miles on foot, that's a long way.
It's a lot of walk him. Of course, the press
once again erupted in a flurry of stories about the
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boy Jones when he suddenly arrived back in London. Some
were full of outrage at what had happened to him,
but others seemed actually pretty irritated that this criminal element
was back in London. Edward, through his father's arrangement, got
a job as an errand runner by a tobacconist Mr
named Mr Elger on a twelvemonth agreement, and things seemed
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like they were going pretty well, although Edward was constantly
afraid that he was being watched. And then on February
four two, after running home in the morning to change
into a clean shirt, he vanished again. Yeah, he had
gotten home, checked in with his mom. She gave him
a clean shirt. He never made it back to work.
The following week, both Henry Jones and the tobacconist received
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letters about the young man's whereabouts. Henry's was written it
claimed by a sea captain that Edward was setting sale
with as he had not been happy in his work.
This was in fact not the case. He had actually been,
for the first time probably in his life, pretty happy
in a job running errands for this tobacconist, so Henry
knew that there had to be some sort of foul
play involved. Again. Mr Elgar's letter was from Edward himself,
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and while it did look like edwards handwriting, the wording
was really awkward and overly formal, which led Henry Jones
to the opinion that it had been dictated to him
under some sort of duress. The contents indicated that Edward
had taken a position at sea. He had, according to
this letter, joined the Royal Navy and was headed to
the United States. In addition to the odd tone of
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the letter, it was signed Edwin rather than Edward, which
invited further suspicions. Yeah, there's uh. There are some theories
that he did that purposely to try to like signal
his family or the tobacconists to know that this was
not his real, uh message, We don't know for certain.
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Henry went to the Home Office, so that is the
United Kingdom ministerial department that handles immigration in matters of
law and order, and he was hoping that they would
investigate or at least follow up in some way on
Edward's disappearance. But because of these letters that claimed that
Edward had willfully taken a position on a ship of
his own volition, Henry Jones was told that there was
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simply nothing to be done. There's nothing to investigate. Your
boy just left. Whether there was any validity to the
idea that Edward had run off of his own free
will or whether he was secreted away by some conspiracy
to keep him away from London and Queen Victoria once again.
All this speculation kept the press busy, and the log
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of the frigate Warspite, which Edwards said he had boarded,
did have an Edward Jones in the log book traveling
with the ship to New York and then back to Portsmouth,
and that he had been promoted during the course of
the journey to first class boy. When the Worst Bite
returned to Great Britain. Edward wasn't allowed to go ashore
by himself. He was watched by senior crew members and
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can only leave the ship if he was escorted. During
one of these shoperone visits to the shops of Portsmouth,
he got away from his keepers though, and he could
not be found. Yeah, he apparently went into a shop
and never came out, and it took a while. And
then when the other crew members that were supposed to
be watching him went in and we're like, hey, that
guy came in and they said, oh, yeah, he asked
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if we had a back door, and we didn't think
anything of it. He just left, which seems like the
most obvious, like, yeah, you are a poor guardian if
your only job is to keep an eye on a person,
and you just kind of let him walk through a
building and out the other side and go. Uh. Edward
of course turns up again. But before we get into
that and how it played out, let's take a break
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and have a word from one of our sponsors. So
to get back to our story. Uh, the authorities were
alerted to the escape, but there was simply no sign
of Edward Jones, that is until someone spotted him at
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his parents house a couple of weeks later. Once again,
he had walked home, though this time he was actually
trying to be stealthy rather than not having any money
to afford a train. So from Portsmouth to London is
about sixty four miles that's a little more than a
hundred kilometers, so it was a much shorter walk, but
still substantial. Edward was apprehended by police and, according to police,
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seemed to be just resigned to whatever punishment was coming.
He was sent back to the war spike quite quickly.
It seemed like no one was able to find out
the story of how he had ended up in the
Navy before he had been shipped out again. Yeah, they
were really intent on just keeping him away from London
and not letting him talk to the press. And information
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about Edward and his life aboard The Worst Bite is
pretty sporadic, like if you look at the records, there's
not a whole lot going on, because much of the
time was pretty routine and without incident. From autumn of
eighteen forty two to early eighteen forty four, Edward really
all but vanished from the record other than standard manifest listings.
He reappears after he went overboard one morning in early
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eighteen forty four, although it remained an issue of debate
as to whether he had ended up in the water
on purpose or by accident. Near the end of the
same year, he tried to escape by swimming to shore
when the Worst Bite was anchored off the coast of Greece,
allegedly trying to see the King of the country. He
was quickly taken into custody by his shipmates, and his
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seafaring life once again resumed. At the end of eighteen
forty five, Edward Jones was transferred to another ship, the Inconstant,
and then there was this private discussion. There are some
letters in the highest levels of the Admiralty about what
to do with this young man who had at that
point Bennett c for four years of forced naval service.
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He eventually was transferred to another ship, Harlequin, on December
thirty one, eighteen forty six. In the fall of eighteen
forty seven, Henry Jones once again made efforts on behalf
of his son, this time asking the lords of the
Admiralty to please release the then twenty three year old
from service. His please worked, and in January eighteen forty eight,
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Edward was back home in London. And an interesting aspect
of this story was a growing sympathy for Edward Jones,
particularly among the working class and the poor of London.
So we talked about how he had kind of become
this weird folk hero to some people, but while he
had always had these supporters as well as detractors, five
years at that point of forced naval service, after already
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serving to prison sentences seemed to a lot of people
bowl and a lot of newspapers to be a punishment
far exceeding the crimes of the infamous boy Jones like.
It really seemed an awful lot of a repayment for
these two break ins to the pet or these three
break ins to the Palace when he had already served
time for them. But even though at this point he
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was in a position to potentially start his life fresh
after being returned to London and his family, the behavior
and fortunes of Edward Jones would once again turned down
a less than ideal path. On Augustine, a young man
was arrested in Lewisham when he was discovered to be
carrying stolen goods, and the suspect claimed to be John Frost,
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a former sailor from Greenwich. During the September trial, Frost
claimed that someone else had given him the items he
was carrying that he was found guilty and sentenced to
a ten year transportation sentence, meaning that he would serve
time in a penal colony. And while Frost was in
custody waiting for his sentence to be carried out, he
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was spotted by a constable who recognized him as none
other than Edward Jones. His identity was then verified by
several other policemen who had worked on the Boy Jones
cases during the years of his repeat showings in Buckingham Palace.
Despite protestations of the young man, who still claimed vehemently
that he was in fact John Frost. Edward Jones a
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k a. John Frost served the next three and a
half years, and the hulks Old Navy ships that were
anchored on the Thames is basically makeshift prisons. He was
then shipped to the Fremantle Colleague in eighteen fifty three.
The day after his arrival, he was released into a
job as an assistant to a piemaker. This really wasn't
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an unusual situation for the Fremancle Colony. Prisoners who weren't
considered to be dangerous were often allowed to just transition
into sort of a settler status if they were willing
to take an apprenticeship. And while this arrangement initially seemed
to work out uh in the winter of eighteen fifty
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five eighteen fifty six, somewhere at the end of one year,
in the beginning of the next Edward Jones returned, this
time by completely unknown means, to London. In May, he
was arrested yet again, this time for a burglary in
which he stole only the gold sash from a major
general's uniform. He once again was using a pseudonym, although
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not a very interesting one. He told people he was
John Jones, and he serves jail time again, this time
being released in eighteen fifty seven. And this is where
the trail of Edward Jones goes fairly cold, and it
makes for kind of an unsatisfying end. So my apologies, listeners. Um,
we know that because of a paperwork tangle, he managed
to avoid being prosecuted ever for running away from his
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transportation sentence, and that's because the pertinent documents on that
trial and sentence still all bore the name of John Frost,
so there was a disconnect between John Frost and Edward Jones. Legally,
where he went when he became a free man is
really something of a mystery, although many things and ideas
were printed in gossip papers speculating about his whereabouts. Yeah,
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according to those, he may have been living with his
younger brother who was fairly successful, or living on his
own but supported by the brother. Uh he didn't appear
on census information is living with his parents, who were
still in London. There have been some rumors as well
that he took another naval commission and wound up dying
at sea, and that he was committed to an asylum
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and died there. But these stories, they're just completely unsubstantiated.
He also may have returned to Australia. There was a
man going by the name of Thomas Jones who died
there on Boxing Day of At that point, he was
quite an older gentleman when he felt he was drunk
to an accidental death. This same man is alleged to
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have told tales only when he was very inebriated of
sneaking in to Buckingham Palace as a boy. So some
people think that that was Edward Jones, but we don't know,
And Thomas Jones was buried in an unmarked grave, so
we really don't know with any kind of certainty what
became of this very odd man. While he inspired various
fictional works, all of them diverge really quickly from reality
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and they just don't really offer many clues and so
what happened. Yeah, so this feels a little cliffhangy, but
really it's like a shrug. We don't know. His life
was such a weird series of like doing foolish things.
But he didn't seem like when he was captured. He
never seemed like a mustache twirling villain in the least.
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He was always kind of like, I don't know, like
he didn't, there would never seem to be a clear
reason for his behaviors, which is uh part of why
I think he fascinates and befuddles people. Yeah. I still, simultaneously,
like I said before, the fact that he was breaking
into the Buckingham Palace and stealing garments and generally being
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just really creepy like that is not good at all.
I do not condone that at all. I simultaneously I
feel kind of sorry for him because this whatever the
fixation was when he was a teenager and then just
followed him around for the rest of his life. Yeah,
he really never recovered from it. And part of it is,
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you know, uh, as you said, it's really creepy, and
the fact that he kept doing it even after like
some pretty serious punishments had doled out at that point.
You're like, well, there's that part of it. It's like
you kind of brought this on yourself, but then to
be kind of kidnapped and forced into service as a
whole other weird problem. It's a complicated tale. Do you
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have some less complicated listener, mail? I, do you know
what's really uncomplicated? What my love of the Haunted Mansion? Uh,
we happened to be recording this. It will be long
passed by the time this episode air's, but we are
recording it on the birthday of the Disneyland Haunted Mansion.
And just in time. I have a wonderful postcard from
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one of our listeners who sent us a beautiful little
piece of art from the WonderGround Gallery, which is the
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It says, Hi, okay, so just to be sure, I
went through three more times so clearly liked it. Then
I left back to Orlando and went to Magic Kingdom today.
I checked that one too. I mean, this is from
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our listener Liz, who I hope enjoyed all of those
rides on the Haunted Mansion, and she says, ps, there
are several varieties of Haunted Mansion magic bands available. Oh
is You're so sweet to try to enable my already
problematic shopping issues. But I did already know that. Uh.
And it's a really cute little postcard. It's a Darling print,
so thank you, thank you, thank you. It's by artist
(29:48):
Dave Parrillo, and we'll try to post that on our
social media. I also UM have another thing from a
really cool project. So our listeners, Caleb and Rena are
both artists. They just finished an installation at the Grim
Gallery in Providence, Rhode Island, called Fantasia Colorado and it
was inspired in part by our Red Ghosts of Arizona episode.
(30:11):
Uh and it They sent us the the catalogs from
the exhibits with a cute little note that said, Hi,
Holly and Tracy. As promised, here are two copies of
the catalog for the show we did all about the
Red Ghost of Arizona. We hope you enjoyed them. There's
an interview where there's an interview we did that talks
about our inspiration a k A YouTube. Thank you for
the hours of entertainment and inspiration. We look forward to
(30:33):
each new episode and thanks also for keeping us company
while we put in long hours at the studio. We
hope you both have great summer. Stay curious, Caleb and Raina.
I hope I'm pronouncing her name correctly. Uh. This is lovely.
It's so cool, like the fact that art kind of
got catalyzed by stuff that we talked about is magical
to me. UM, and it's really beautiful. You can If
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you go online and you UH do a search for
grim Gallery uh Fantasia Colorado, you will see some pictures
of the exhibit yourself, and I highly encourage you to
do so. Hopefully those will still be up when this airs.
This exhibit just closed like a couple of days ago,
so I'm bummed we did not get this in time
to talk about it while it was still open. But
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it looks really cool and amazing. There's some really, really
incredible work that they did there. So thank you so
much for sending this to us. And again, I'm so
honored that anybody would want to make art based on
stuff we talked about. I love it. If you would
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