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Five or six minutes they tell me Joy Taylor's joining me, Joy,
how are you? Greats? So I do Herd hierarchy throughout
the season, and then in the off season. I kind
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of wait for things to set up. So we've had
all the coaching changes, we've had all the free agent signings,
and we have had all the draft. Okay, so now
we got Now I think I can come out and
say this morning, this is what it feels like. Now
we're gonna have camps and OTAs. We're gonna get reports
on rookies being over their head, rookies ready to play.
We're gonna get injuries. So I'll do two or three
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more of these, but this is my first heard hierarchy
based on coaching staff, hires, free agency, and the draft
which some teams. Rams had a weird draft, Cowboys draft
a lot of question marks, Chargers draft was unbelievable, Miami's
draft unbelievable. So here we go heard hierarchy. The top
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ten of NFL teams according to College Number ten. I'd
say Green Bay. I didn't like their draft. They reach
for a corner, they have Aaron Rodgers. It's a well
run operation, but there's a lot of animosity. They did
not add any notable free agents. What did they get
out of the draft that can help them this year?
Amari Rodgers third round wide receiver, but Aaron doesn't throw
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to guys he doesn't know. Generally, I think there's animosity
in the building, a lot of tension, a lot of noise.
But I give them the respect of a top ten team.
But I don't like what I hear or see. Number nine.
I'm gonna do the Ravens. I liked him last year.
I like him this year. They had a weakness wide receiver.
They went and attacked it. They brought in Sammy Watkins.
They drafted Rashad Bateman. That's what they needed to do.
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Also added to their offensive line, got Kevin Zeittler and
drafted of offensive lineman early, so at least they know
their weaknesses. Can Lamar Jackson play from behind? Is he
as good as Josh Allen and the Holmes. I don't
think so. But I like him a lot. I respect
him a lot. I got him nine, number eight Rams.
I didn't love their off season. Yeah, they got Matt Stafford,
but they lost John Johnson, a great safety, Troy Hill
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at corner, Austin Blythe, their starting center, Gerald Everett, a
very dynamic tight end. They're good. You can tell from
their draft. They're infatuated with wide receivers and speed. They
think they were a super Bowl team. They just went
out and try to find the fastest guys in the
planet who've ever played football. So they're in the super
Bowl bubble. But I didn't I didn't love their draft,
and I thought they're offseason. You get Stafford, but you
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lost some pieces. I like number seven Chargers. I think
they had the number one off season according to me
and according to Pro Football Focus, Melvin Ingram Derwin James,
two of their top three defensive players come back off injury.
Corey Linsley, the number one rated center, comes over. Rashaun
Slater had money. People thought he was the best tackle
in the draft. I think their roster is stacked. Herbert
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looks like a star ready to explode. This team is
ready to roll. My only question why I have him
down at seven, because I think you can make an
argument after the draft and free agency they got a
top four or five roster. I just don't know if
Brandon Staley's a head coach. We'll wait and see number six,
forty nine ers. I may have him low here. It's
really based on Jimmy Garoppolo. They get George kittleback, Jimmy
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Garoppolo back, Nick Bosa back. That in itself is a
really good football team. They also went out and did
They went and said, what do we do well? O
line and run the ball, And they got more of it.
Alec Mac the center. They went and drafted Tray Sermon
and running back. They went and got Aaron Banks, another
offensive lineman. So they fortified what they're already really good at.
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O line, run the football. Empower to me, that's about
empowering Trey Lance if he eventually plays this year. They
went and doubled down in their old line, which was
already good. They doubled down on their running backs, which
were already strong. Number five Cleveland play having a spot
too high. I thought they had an amazing offseason. Here's
my concern. They could have eight to nine new defensive starters,
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depending on how their schedule falls. It could be a
rocky September in early October. But they went and attacked
their secondary, which was a mess last year. And remember
they get a couple of guys back. Greedy Williams, Grant
Dilpitt are guys they drafted in the secondary, super talented,
but had injuries, so we don't even know how good
they are. So this is a great roster, I would
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argue after Tampa could be the best roster in the NFL.
Really young and new faces back end could make it
a sluggish September though. Number four. The Seahawks went twelve
and four, can we remember that? And they got better
offensively new oc. They went and got Gerald Effort of
he'll be their best tight end. They went and got
a starting left guard, Gabe Jackson. They went and got
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another receiver, so let's not go crazy here. It's a
twelve and four football team. Russell Wilson got more good pieces.
They also went and drafted a corner that was another weakness,
So this remains a top five or six roster. The
offensive line is not as bad now as everybody thinks.
Number three Buffalo. I like everything they've done for the
last five years. I really do. I love this organization.
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Their issue was they needed a little more pop offensively.
They got running back Macbrita and Emmanuel Sanders. They also
need a better pass rush. What were their first two
picks pass rushers. I just trust the front office and
the coach. I like Buffalo. They went and went. They
got a little more explosive an offense and got a
pass rush. Number two Kansas City totally rebuilt their offensive line.
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Plus they got humiliated in the Super Bowl, which has
a nice way of invigorating offseason workouts. Orlando Brown, Kyle Long,
Joe Tuney went and got the best center in college football.
They already had a good offensive line, but they said
we're rebuilding this puppy. They not only have the best
offensive line, they now have one of the deepest offensive lines.
Number One, I'll just give it the Tampa. They return
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all the coordinators and all the starters from the team,
so they would be my number one team. I think
that's just kind of an automatic. Now there are teams
I like Miami, but I think I put him at
eleven because I just don't know what I get from Tua.
But we got a lot of good teams in the NFL.
As you can tell, Green Bay is very good. I
put him at ten. I just think there's too much
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tension and animosity, and I can't imagine what Ota and
Camp's gonna be like. So I just I don't know.
I think the noisier A team is in the offseason,
the less I like him in Bradshaw's noisy but I
like him. Terry Bradshaw, the Hall of Famer, four Super Bowls,
is now joining us. I got damn season already mapped out.
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Bradshaw got all my teams. I like, I got everything
all set up. I gotta tell you something, Colin, that's impressive.
I'm sitting here listening to you name all these people
and I don't even know all the head coaches yet,
and I'm like, man, that's that's that's guy's sharp. That's
why you're making the big box of work every day.
You got a full time gig. Yeah, and uh I
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came in. You know, I've been out on the seats.
We just picked Okrah last week and we're out on
the highway and we got a big stand there and
we're selling stuff, just trying to get some cash and rough. Well,
let me say this. You made news yesterday because you said,
oh yeah, you said Aaron comes off a little week.
So I'm gonna listen. I rarely disagree with you, but
I will. I want to say this first, and you
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react to it. That we live in a time now, Terry,
where you can't touch the quarterback. The whole league is built.
All the rules now were quarterback. Even Belichick look lost
last year when he lost a quarterback. Don't you have
to in twenty twenty one, Terry, don't you have to
pamper a little bit the quarterback? The whole league now
is built around. You used to be able to have
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great running back as in an average quarterback, and we go, boy,
that's a super Bowl team. If you don't have a
quarterback now, Terry, we just try to cancel you. We
don't even we don't even talk. So can you do
you have to baby Aaron a little. Uh No, No,
I don't think so. I am. I disagree with that.
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I do think that our superstar quarterbacks are our superstars period,
feel a little bit empowered by their by their fame,
and certainly by their fortune. And uh, I do believe
that while Aaron Rodgers is phenomenal. Look, he's a incredible player,
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but I could sit here and tell you right now
he has probably the worst footwork I've ever seen for
starting quarterback. I mean he but I was talking to
uh John Zarneck this morning and I said, he's an
amazingly accurate he protects the football, he puts up monster numbers,
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but his footwork is all over the place. And I
don't know if that's because he got hit a lot
and he's out of position and doesn't trust his lineman
very seldom steps into a throat. Pretty impressive, actually, but
I do believe they are they are a little bit pampered.
A lot of coaches would say, you know what, he
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deserves to be pampered. He's this, he's that, And I say, look,
you signed a contract. You've got a couple of years
left on that. If you want to be like Tom
Brady to play out your contract and then move on.
But in this case, you can't force Aaron Rodgers coddled
maybe too much. He has no right to want to
get the GM fired. What right does he have? No
more right than I have to call Eric Shanks and say,
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tear my contract up. I had a really good year,
and you go, well, you've got four years left on it. Yeah,
but I had a really good and I'm Terry Bradshaw
and I'm superstar. You I don't believe in that. You know,
I'm old school, you know that, And I just think
these players are just Look, he wants to go to
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the West Coast forty nine ers. They eliminated him from that.
He's not going to San Diego and he's certainly not
going to the Rams now. I don't know where he
can go because they're gonna have a calf hit there
in Green Bay. That's monstrous, and I'm support green Bay here.
Make him come back, you know, make him come back
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to you. Don't go to him, Make him come back
to you and answer for it. Or I can retire
and move on and do Jeopardy whatever that he wants
to do. But by the way that that retirement thing
is interesting, is yes it is now now? Yeah, I
mean it's kind of crazy like in your day, you
didn't make the money that they do. Now he's made
a zillion dollars. So it let's say, let's say you
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had one hundred million in the bank account or whatever
Aaron has. Could you have retired with only two Super
Bowls or one or two? If you just you know,
Chuck Nolan, you he was tough on you. You didn't
get pampered. They were drafting Mark Malone. Noel was yelling
at y'all of the cliff doubt. They brought him in
from all over the play. Could you if you only
had one Super Bowl or two and you were just
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tired of it and yet a lot of money in
the bank, could you have retired early? Absolutely? Are you
kidding me? You know you're talking to here. If I
had if i had one hundred million dollars in the bank,
and I'd won one Super Bowl and I had and
I had all these disagreements with the head coach or
the front office, and I've had a belly full of
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it and they're not doing what I want them to do.
Absolutely I could retire. I got one hundred million dollars
in the bank. But hey, listen, ninety five percent of
the Americans don't understand this talk. Listen, ninety five percent
of the people in this country who keep this country
going don't understand. I want to go somewhere else. I'm
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not happy in Green Bay. They didn't get me a
wide out. Well, weren't you the MVP in the league
last year? Yes, I've been the MVP three times now.
But I'm not happy and I want to go somewhere else.
Or I want that general manager fired. Or I can't
believe they drafted a number one, number one last year
at quarterback. I mean, that just ticks me off. I
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don't understand that kind of thinking. I'm sorry, I'm just
a little bit old school there. If he doesn't want
to play for Green Bay, retire, move on, Because you
know what, when Brett Farvee left, we all said, oh
my god, this guy has fallen. Around here comes Aaron
Rodgers and it wasn't fallen. And now he's gonna leave,
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and then who's next. There's always somebody else. Colin. I
don't know why we have to coddle these guys so much.
Terry Bradshaw says anything about a superstar quarterback, I'm jealous
or I'm just stupid. They come up with all these
He must have been drinking, you know, and I probably was.
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But it doesn't make it doesn't make any sense to me.
Why you feel empowered? Why do you feel empowered just
because you are in Green Bay and you're Aaron Rodgers
and you've you don't you've accomplished all this? Hey, my friend,
I want to remind you something. Tom Brady played his
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contract out. Tom Brady's won seven Super Bowls. Last time
I looked, Aaron, you've won one? There? You haven't. Yeah,
you know, all these um all these young quarterbacks come
in and it was different in your day. You didn't
have seven on seven camps when you were nine years
old and ten years old. These guys now they have
a zillion throws by the time they're twelve. They're all
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ready to play. I know so so, but I do
look at some of them and I think they can
win games. Now, you know the guy I feel sorry
for that Zach Wilson kid from BYU because, first of all,
Terry that division, Brian Flores, Sean McDermott, and Belichick are
three of the top four defensive coaches the league. It's
a bad old line. They want him to play day one.
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I look at that and I think to myself, when
you go when you went to the Steelers, did you
have to start day one? What were the expectations? Was
there a lot of pressure? Oh? Golly is back when
we were in leather helmets, I don't know what when
we even on television back then, I started day one,
but I wasn't very good. Yeah, I and Colin I
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agree with you here. I liked Zach Wilson a lot.
And he's such a nice kid. He's such a nice
kid that I'm even saying there's maybe he's a little
bit naive. Maybe he's like me because he's going to
New York and he is a kid that's probably gonna struggle,
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and you know what's gonna happen. They're gonna start screaming.
And how well does he handle adversity? How well can
he put up with the media and all the distractions
of wa aren't you this? And why aren't you that?
And he can't go on, he can't get in front
of the reporters with my offics and lines not very good. Oh,
my wide receivers aren't very good. Oh and by the way,
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I don't have a tight end either. Oh and running game, well,
we don't have a running game. I really feel for
this kid. I hope I'm wrong. I've talked to his
father's father's a fabulous man, the wonderful family, and I
just think he's gonna get beat up and we're gonna
find out how tough he is. I hear he's really
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you know, he's really got the football acumen down. But
I'm gonna find that you gotta be tough as I'll
get out on the inside to make it in this league,
and New York are toughen you up. For sure. I
like him a lot. I don't know what he weighs
right now, but by the time the season's over with,
you can probably d duck twenty five pounds because he's
gonna be running for his life. Terry Bradshaw's joining us.
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You know it, Terry. It's a different world where you know, expectations, media, noise,
all this stuff. I was talking to somebody the other day.
I was talking to Michael Irvin. I said, God, you're
you and Joe Namath they're lucky. There wasn't an iPhone,
and Michael was funny. Michael says, forget the iPhone. He goes,
I couldn't get out of trouble in the eleven o'clock
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news era, forget the iPhone. Here, I've been in trouble
every fifteen minutes. And I and I look, and I
look at you and these young kids. I'm always kind
of amazed, Terry. Most of these young quarterbacks are so mature,
they really are. Were you mature? Were you mature at
twenty one? What were you like? No? No, I listen.
I was so naive so in the church I have listen. Listen.
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If I came out today out of Louisiana Tech, I
would probably be a fifth or six round draft pick.
I would not be the first pick in the draft.
I was no way, no way. Was I ready to
be a starter in the National Football League between my ears. Physically, yes,
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but I had to learn so much about the media.
And listen, you're right, there's two or three reporters I
had to deal with. I can't imagine what these kids
are going through with when you come out of Florida
and when you come out of Alabama, like Mac Jones
is doing. When you come out of these big programs,
your own television all the time, you're constantly be an interview.
You go through a little bit of duress while you're performing.
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Maybe maybe not. Most of these big time quarterbacks we
have today have never been criticized in NFL. I'm always
jealous of God, like John Elway, who was the door
Dan Marino. I mean, he's worshiped in Miami, Dan foul.
It's always God. What would it be like to do that?
But then again, I look at myself and I say, well,
I had to grow up. And I will give Chuck
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no credit for this. He put me in tough situations
and he could have I very easily could have just disappeared.
And then I finally and I told my agent, Ira Stauberger,
I said, you know what happened. I got downright nasty.
I got downright mean and nasty, and I inside emotionally,
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I just hated everybody, and I just took it out
on everybody. They didn't know it. But that's what motivated me.
That's what got me. That's what saved me in the NFL.
Because if I hadn't have done that, Colin, I was out.
I was gone. It was I was not ready, not
ready at all. Most of these guys. You're right, I
don't know about the guy in North Dakota State that
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went to San Francisco. I don't know anything about him.
I don't know anything about him. He's the only one
I don't know anything about. Listen, I like Traps that
went to Tampa Bay out of Florida. I like him
a lot. Yeah, I'm there's a kid that's already been
through every down, every bad thing that can happen for
a kid, never starting in high school, never starting and
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walking on at Florida. Now look at me, and went
to the second round of Tampa Bay. And I know
a little bit about him, And I'm saying, no, that's
the kind of guy. I like a guy that's into
it and made, you know, and survived it. You gotta
go through the You gotta you gotta go through the
trenches in this league. You gotta, you gotta struggle. Even
Brady when he was drafted in the what six or
seventh round, went right to mister Craft and said, hey,
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you know you're gonna be glad you drafted me. He
had a chip on this show. He used that too
to his benefit, and it made him tough. You gotta
have that to play in the National Football League, especially
at quarterbacks. I can't believe you were ever mean, you're
a big jar of cookie though. Now you're just an
old Sam. No, no, no, hey listen, I am a sugarcoot,
there's no I am a baby doll. Yeah, there's no question.
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But Colin, I say one thing and the world comes
on top of me. Yeah, well I can't. I mean,
I mean, what's wrong with that? You asked me a question, Yeah,
I got, I got opinions. Now, hey, listen, if you
were a backup for Tampa Bay in the sevenies, nobody
give a rip. But you got a bunch of rings,
so everybody gives a rip. That's the good news. By
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the way, since I'm being honest, what to the beard?
I thought you really looked really good. Now it's gone.
I meant to say, what mustache looked terrible? Terry, It
looked terrible. It was I did you know what? I
looked in the mirror one day and I thought I
wouldn't want to be friends with you, and I thought
I got to get rid of it. Hey listen, hey, listen,
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the job you got, nobody wants to be your friend anyway.
That's enough, Branshaw. I get out of here. Get out
of here, Terry Bradshaw, send me my money, all right,
see a letter Terry Bradshaw. Joy asked me this morning too.
She would say, what happened to your mustache? One morning,
I literally looked in the mirror and I'm like, Nope,
don't like that guy I got. I don't know. I
got used to it. But now when I see playbacks
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of you with the mustache, I looked stuffy. It's a sideways.
It's not your look. I look like a hitchhiker. You
You are exaggerating how unruly it was. It was not
that unruly. It was the most kept mustache ever. All right,
good stuff. Bradshaw was great. Rashaan Slater or the Chargers
new left tackle cannot he was so great. After the draft,
these kids, it's those Northwestern kids. You know what, mate,
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it's not a football power. And all of a sudden,
now they've got good football players. They all come out
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Chris Broussard. Coming up this hour, Joey Taylor now with
the news. No, no turn on the news. This is
the Herd Line News. Tensions are very high right now
between the Packers and Aaron Rodgers. There's plenty of reports
saying he wants out of Green Bay. Yeah, Adams wide
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receivers seemed twayne on those rumors. Yesterday he tweeted, gotta
appreciate what you got while you got it. Whoa as
Aaron Rodgers liked the tweet. He liked the tweet. I
liked it because I thought it meant that DeVante was saying, Aaron,
you'd better appreciate me while you got me. I don't
think that's what he's saying. He's saying you should appreciate
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Aaron while you got him. I think so because that
can be taken both ways, could be taken or could
just be you know him, just Aaron is personal. He's
dealing with Aaron. DMS. A lot of people I know,
like five people that have been DM by Aaron. Now
another one Shla. He's very dmy. He likes to DMA.
I don't DM a lot. You know what, um if
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you have to be very careful like I DM. People
like young broadcasters all DM and say hey you're kicking
buttu fist bump. But if I do it, it's mostly
to god. Is because I want to think abody to
get Yeah, we've had this conversation before. Yeah, I just
like because I occasionally say hey, great job, you're doing
a great job. Then I was thinking I did it
once or twice, and I thought, I don't know if
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I should do that. Yeah. The problem with DMS is
similar to texts. If you're like texting with someone that
you that doesn't know you, well, they made me don't
know your tone. That's right, you know, you kind of
have to like over emphasize things because you don't want
to sound very cold. Um, Aaron's very DAR. He's very DM.
I'm gonna steal that. He's very Dmmy is well. Look,
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I'm firmly on Aaron Rodger's side. You are You're all.
I am seventy I'm eighty percent Aaron here, you're under well.
I hear where Terry Bradshaw is coming from because he
grew up in a different era and had a different
experience in the league. But I am in the camp
of things change and the way that business has done changes, right,
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And it's not just the way that the league has changed.
The world has changed. There are avenues in which to
make money that never existed before, and not just some
money millions and millions of dollars. I'm giving up their
show and doing twitch from this point four. I mean
Dak Prescott made fifty million dollars and endorsements last year.
Fifty So that you have more leverage anytime you have
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money and you have your finances are in a comfortable space,
you have more leverage with your job because you can say, like, listen,
my money is set, I'm more concerned about this than that.
And Aaron is in that situation as well. He's obviously
made a ton of money and it will continue to
make money outside of football, So it's not really just
about money. And I don't understand why it's so unrelatable. Actually,
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I think all of us have worked at a job
where we've had a problem or an issue with our boss,
or we feel like we're very valuable and we're not
being appreciated. That that's not just an NFL starting quarterback thing.
Most people get into a situation where they feel like
they're not being appreciated. Right, and furthermore, with Aaron's situation,
so Schlara's point earlier, he is somebody that covers worts.
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For years, the Packers have leaned in on Aaron's talents,
not provided him with the defense that he needs, not
provided him with skill position weapons, and completely leaned it
on him doing all of the winning. And now when
he wants some say or he feels disrespected, it's like
crazy town, Like you are perfectly fine using his talents
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and leaning in on that, and now you are you're
upset that he is he has owed something. No, I mean,
the Packers remind me, and I'm not taking a shot
at ESPN, but They remind me a lot of ESPN.
ESPN's thing is always we're ESPN. We give you a
big microphone. We're not going to give you a blank
That's why so many people leave. Very few people in
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the history of Fox have left for there. A lot
of their people have left for here. Why we are
much more of a seahawk ram cowboy deal making consider
very pro player. The packers in ESPN aren't listen. This
is how we do business right. We're not mortgaging the future.
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Are brand's very good and the brand is bigger than
the human and far Off at the end was upset
with them, and Rogers was upset with them. And Corey
Lindsley's the fifth round pick. You paid him nothing becomes
a pro bowler, you won't keep him. That's how they
do business. And they're always good and they're always relevance.
But they can't argue that they're always great. No, they
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don't win enough championships for the talent. There's no disputing, right,
So how you do business is fine, but the results
should reflect how you're doing business. Okay, you're great Tampa,
do you know that in the last fifteen years? Or
you're great Green Bay. Tampa and Green Bay have the
same number of Super Bowls in the last ten years.
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I mean so again, And by the way, Tampa's favored
to win this year in Green Bay. I don't know
how this morning anybody could consider Green Bay in the
top three or four Super Bowl favorites with all their disharmony. Yeah, so,
Jimmy Garoppolo's time in San Francisco is likely winding down
thanks to them drafting Trey Lance third overall. But Kyle
Shanahan isn't giving a timeline for when the switch will
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be made. He said on The Rich Eyes and Show
that he still considers Jimmy d the starter, but he
won't rule out Trey Lance seeing the field as a rookie.
Jimmy's definitely our starter right now, and right now there
isn't competition because I don't believe Trey would be in
a position to compete. Jimmy is too good of a players,
got too good of a grasp of our offense. I'm
not going to sit here and say I'll never play
a rookie quarterback, and I'm not gonna sit here and
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say I will play him. It's that's kind of up
to him. When he's ready to compete, which that doesn't
mean he tells me. That doesn't mean I tell him, Hey,
we'll see it. And I think it'll start with me,
but I'll go to the coaches, I'll go to the
players and guys know when a guy's ready to compete
with the starter, and you kind of get that vibe.
I don't feel like there's a lot of pressure on
Trey Lance. Oh god, no, I mean really, if you
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told me one thing about the Niners, I would say
twelve win team. If you just said one thing, Jimmy
stays healthy for fifteen of the seventeen games, I'll even
give you two weeks off. I'd be like, Okay, this
is as a twelve win team. Well, yeah, I mean again,
they had a ton of injuries last year. It wasn't yeah,
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it wasn't just I could probably need to look this up,
but like they might have had the most injuries to
their starters around the league. I mean, we would put
the graphic up. It's like seventeen guys at one point.
So they're going to be better just based off the
fact that they are going to be healthier next year.
But even if Trey Lance does end up seeing the
field sooner than we think. Because Jimmy g is injured,
they're in that grace window now like you drafted a
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rookie quarterback. We know how much Trey Lance has played
in college, so there shouldn't be massive expectations. I think
the fan base is comfortable with it not being a
season where you're necessarily a contenders. If Jimmy isn't healthy,
you're in. You've just bought yourself a lot of grace
and taking Trey Lance at that position. So Russell Westbrook
made history last night get fourteen points, twenty one rebounds,
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and twenty four assists in the Wizards one fifty four
scores insane one fifty one win over the Pacers. This
is only the third time a player has had a
ten twenty twenty triple double in NBA history. Westbrook has
two of them, Wilt Chamberlain has the other one. This
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was also the one hundred and seventy eighth triple double
of Westbrook's career, which him puts him three away from
Oscar Robertson's record of one hundred and eighty one. How
many titles this year? How many times? How about one number?
What's his title count. He's guaranteed to average a triple
double this season for the fourth time in his career.
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No other player has had more than one such season.
There's a lot of good numbers there. I just like
the I'd like to have a one under the championship. Look,
I think I understand where you're coming from, but I
also think it is important to appreciate great talents, and
I appreciate always makes the regular season interesting. Yeah, I'm
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not going to deny that he must must watch TV.
He's very very you know, you got me on that.
He's very entertaining. I'm not denying it. He's very popular,
very popular. I think it's I think different players have
difference careers. Like we can point to a lot of
guys who have had unbelievable seasons, unbelievable careers. Yeah, unbelievable
lega season they did not win a champions I'm I'm
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I'm zaney. I like winning. I also like winning, but
I can appreciate great talent. By the way, Wilt was
a flake too. I don't think Russell Westbrook is a
flake at all. He's not a flake. Well, what is
very my best friends the ball, Yeah, that's the opposite
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of a flake. What if I said this my best
friends the microphone, I would say, you are obsessed with
your job. I would say it was a weirdough. Well,
if the session does tend to lean that way, okay, Hi,
what are you doing today for sham? I don't know.
We'll go out and have some champagne. Look, that would
be not odd. Russe has has several years left in
his career. He may still win a championship. I understand
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your if you're best If you're best friends, that table tomorrow,
I gotta go to manage. I don't know what the
table is gonna do to serve me. The microphone might
be better. Oh, I'm being obnoxious. Joy with the news.
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. I
hope you were dying. I don't even know if you were.
I was just all right. Okay, fine, Well, best friends
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of my microphone aren't pay attention to people. Bruce arge
around the corner. Oh, he loves boy, he loves Westbrook Brother.
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let me go right through them. First of all, Lakers
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won last night. I don't know what to take of it.
I think they're in a little trouble. I don't think
their chemistry is good. Lebron's been bitter all here because
he got a condensed season, he didn't get an off season.
He's in a bad mood now. He hates the play tournament.
Do you take anything from them beating Denver last night,
does it mean anything. I've got concerns about them, but
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my goodness, not like you. I mean, you just ran
down the launcher list of the problems with the Lake. Look,
it boils down to one thing for the Lakers, Lebron
James's health. Two things. I'll give you the second one
as well. Lebron James's health number one. Obviously, I agree
totally with what Lebron says Sunday night. If he's healthy,
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it doesn't matter where they're seated. If I'd rather be
the eighth seed or even the ninth seed and have
to win the play in round with a healthy Lebron James,
then the third or fourth seed, and he's not one
hundred percent or ninety five percent or whatever. So that's
the number one challenge. But if he's healthy, second league
is Anthony Davis all right? Anthony Dave. Last night was
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a step in the right direction. He has not been
the guy that he was last year at all. This season.
Even before the injury, he wasn't playing up to his
standards he had. He's been worse than that since he
came back from injury. But last night he hit the
big shot at the end of the game. So that
was a step in the right direction. But look, they've
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got three things that, if they work out, scare everybody
in the Western Conference. Number One, playoff Lebron, so assuming
he's healthy, he's there too, Anthony Davis playing near the
top of his game. And then three defense. They are
an excellent defensive team, one of the top two or
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three in the league, and they maintain that without Lebron
in a d. So when you do those things, and
they've got some decent shooters as well, then you're gonna
have a shot. So if Lebron's healthy, I'm still high
on the Lakers' chances of gett into the finals. Listen,
one of the great stories I think in the league
this year. It's fun. It's the New York Knicks. Now,
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I think offensively there's limitations, But when Julius Randall was
a Laker, they didn't know what to do with him
because the Warriors were hitting all these threes and they
were trying to duplicate the Warriors, and he was like Zion,
he gives you twos, he gives you effort. I don't
know if they're built for the postseason, but I kind
of buy them right the way in which they play
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r J now as a real player, Yeah, I'm with you.
Look early in the season, even halfway through the season,
I was making fun of Knicks fans because here in
the New York area, people aren't even thinking about Brooklyn,
all right, it's all about the Knicks, the mediocre Knicks
at that time. But I've seen the light. I like
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what they're doing Colin over their last thirty nine games.
So people are talking about this stretch where they've won
twelve or thirty you can basically only forty games, and
they have a record. They've won sixty six percent of
those games. That would be the second best record in
the East over eighty two games. So they have been
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playing really good basketball. And they're an old school team,
not surprisingly with Tom Thibodeaux. But they defend all right.
They're one of the best defensive teams in the league.
They play hard, so nobody wants to play them because
they're just gnats and they get after it and they
hound you and they bother you and all that. They
go deep and offensively, they shoot the three well, they're
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thirty nine percent, one of the top five in the league.
But they don't shoot it a lot. They probably should
shoot it more, but that they played that old school
time Thibodeau basketball, and it's bothersome for teams. But you're right,
second round right now to be Philadelphia obviously, I like
Philly in that. And then if Brooklyn somehow gets that
top seed, you're meeting Brooklyn in the second round, they would,
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you know, try to beat up the Nets, but the
Nets just have too much talent. So I'm with you.
Has been a great story and if they can get
to the second round of the playoffs, then I think
that's great for New York. Yeah. So for years I
was critically Cam Newton and people ripped me, but I said,
if he was on the open market, what's he worth?
Well we found out nothing League minimum. New England was
the only team that wanted him. Same with Trubisky, Bears.
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I love Trubisky open market. He's a backup Russell Westbrook.
If he was on the open market today, Sons don't
want him, Jazz don't want him, Denver do. Brooklyn didn't
want him. Yeah, I mean he's shut a bunch of
records last night. Let me, I just don't buy. If
he was on the open market tomorrow. Who would None
of the good teams would want him. So how do
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you how am I supposed to value him as the
second best point guard ever after Magic? According to his coach, Well,
first of all, don't ever put Mitch Rubiski's name in
the same sense as Russell Westbrook. All Right, Cam, I
can get with. All right, the old Cam, the MVP,
they go to the Super Bowl, I can get with that.
We know the injuries have depleted him. But look, Westbrook,
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I'm with you in that. First of all, Scotty Brooks
is out of his mind. All right. He should be
to have his head check for saying he's the second
best point guard of all time. I even have trouble.
Where do you put Westbrook? Is he a point guard?
Is he a two guard? You know what he is, Colin,
He's a spectacle. And I don't mean that in a
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negative way. I mean it in a completely positive way.
He is a spectacle, and I would argue he's one
of the top five most athletic players the game has
ever seen. Lebron not disorder, Lebron wilt Jordan right Iverson maybe,
and Russell like what he does. It is tremendous. These
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four seasons of averaging a triple double, it is unbelievable.
And he is like Alan Iverson. Alan Iverson was iconic,
He was tremendous. But I don't know that I would
have wanted Alan Iverson on my team as a coach
or player. I mean, he was hard to He played
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with Carmelo in his prime. They never won. They want
They didn't win the playoff series. He played with Chris Webber.
Chris Webber average twenty and ten. The year he played
with Iverson, Andre Woodalla was there and they didn't even
make the playoffs. Iverson was thirty three and eight that
year they didn't make the playoffs. It's they are. Iverson
and Westbrook are just great individual phenoms. That's what they are.
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You're gonna have trouble winning with them. Now. In fairness
to rust, he's played with great players, but he has won,
you know, eleven playoff series and he's been to the finals,
and he's been the conference finals. Iverson only won six
playoff series and after other than the year he went
to the finals in OH one, he didn't win a lot,
never got past the second round. But if you gave
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Westbrook a Larry Brown coach like Iverson had that year,
and you just build a team around Westbrook's unique skills grinders, rebounders, defenders,
and guys that could shoot the three. It's got out
of the realm of possibility. You could have had a
run like Philadelphia had that year. So they're they're very similar.
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He's certainly not the second best point guard of all time.
There's a lot of point guards that aren't as good
as him that I would rather have had on my
team to set things up. But he's a phenomenal individuals player,
and that's how we go look at him. He's not
gonna win a ring, and even if he does, he's
not gonna outweigh the four years of averaging a triple double.
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So we just have to appreciate him for what he is.
That's not that's not bad. That's about the best way
I've ever heard it describes. It's somewhere like sometimes you
go to Thanksgiving dinner and you got that quirky uncle,
but he is funny and he's always there for you
if you need to ride to the airport. So you
just sometimes not everybody is everything. You just appreciate what
people can give you and I gotta run. Chris Brussard,
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Thanks buddy, that was well. Like I like the way
it's a spectacle. There's nothing wrong with that. There's not
a lot of substance to a firework show, but they're fun.
I've gone to a lot of firework shows, a lot
of fireworks shows. Of course I like blown stuff up,
but I you know, it doesn't mean it's got a
ton of anything else. Even when I say nice stuff,
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I'm always just too cynical with Russell our three next
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Five or six minutes they tell me Joy Taylor's joining me, Joy,
how are you? Greats? So I do Herd hierarchy throughout
the season, and then in the off season. I kind
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of wait for things to set up. So we've had
all the coaching changes, we've had all the free agent signings,
and we have had all the draft. Okay, so now
we got Now I think I can come out and
say this morning, this is what it feels like. Now
we're gonna have camps and OTAs. We're gonna get reports
on rookies being over their head, rookies ready to play.
We're gonna get injuries. So I'll do two or three
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more of these, but this is my first heard hierarchy
based on coaching staff, hires, free agency, and the draft
which some teams. Rams had a weird draft, Cowboys draft
a lot of question marks, Chargers draft was unbelievable, Miami's
draft unbelievable. So here we go heard hierarchy. The top
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ten of NFL teams according to College Number ten. I'd
say Green Bay. I didn't like their draft. They reach
for a corner, they have Aaron Rodgers. It's a well
run operation, but there's a lot of animosity. They did
not add any notable free agents. What did they get
out of the draft that can help them this year?
Amari Rodgers third round wide receiver, but Aaron doesn't throw
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to guys he doesn't know. Generally, I think there's animosity
in the building, a lot of tension, a lot of noise.
But I give them the respect of a top ten team.
But I don't like what I hear or see. Number nine.
I'm gonna do the Ravens. I liked him last year.
I like him this year. They had a weakness wide receiver.
They went and attacked it. They brought in Sammy Watkins.
They drafted Rashad Bateman. That's what they needed to do.
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Also added to their offensive line, got Kevin Zeittler and
drafted of offensive lineman early, so at least they know
their weaknesses. Can Lamar Jackson play from behind? Is he
as good as Josh Allen and the Holmes. I don't
think so. But I like him a lot. I respect
him a lot. I got him nine, number eight Rams.
I didn't love their off season. Yeah, they got Matt Stafford,
but they lost John Johnson, a great safety, Troy Hill
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at corner, Austin Blythe, their starting center, Gerald Everett, a
very dynamic tight end. They're good. You can tell from
their draft. They're infatuated with wide receivers and speed. They
think they were a super Bowl team. They just went
out and try to find the fastest guys in the
planet who've ever played football. So they're in the super
Bowl bubble. But I didn't I didn't love their draft,
and I thought they're offseason. You get Stafford, but you
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lost some pieces. I like number seven Chargers. I think
they had the number one off season according to me
and according to Pro Football Focus, Melvin Ingram Derwin James,
two of their top three defensive players come back off injury.
Corey Linsley, the number one rated center, comes over. Rashaun
Slater had money. People thought he was the best tackle
in the draft. I think their roster is stacked. Herbert
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looks like a star ready to explode. This team is
ready to roll. My only question why I have him
down at seven, because I think you can make an
argument after the draft and free agency they got a
top four or five roster. I just don't know if
Brandon Staley's a head coach. We'll wait and see number six,
forty nine ers. I may have him low here. It's
really based on Jimmy Garoppolo. They get George kittleback, Jimmy
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Garoppolo back, Nick Bosa back. That in itself is a
really good football team. They also went out and did
They went and said, what do we do well? O
line and run the ball, And they got more of it.
Alec Mac the center. They went and drafted Tray Sermon
and running back. They went and got Aaron Banks, another
offensive lineman. So they fortified what they're already really good at.
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O line, run the football. Empower to me, that's about
empowering Trey Lance if he eventually plays this year. They
went and doubled down in their old line, which was
already good. They doubled down on their running backs, which
were already strong. Number five Cleveland play having a spot
too high. I thought they had an amazing offseason. Here's
my concern. They could have eight to nine new defensive starters,
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depending on how their schedule falls. It could be a
rocky September in early October. But they went and attacked
their secondary, which was a mess last year. And remember
they get a couple of guys back. Greedy Williams, Grant
Dilpitt are guys they drafted in the secondary, super talented,
but had injuries, so we don't even know how good
they are. So this is a great roster, I would
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argue after Tampa could be the best roster in the NFL.
Really young and new faces back end could make it
a sluggish September though. Number four. The Seahawks went twelve
and four, can we remember that? And they got better
offensively new oc. They went and got Gerald Effort of
he'll be their best tight end. They went and got
a starting left guard, Gabe Jackson. They went and got
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another receiver, so let's not go crazy here. It's a
twelve and four football team. Russell Wilson got more good pieces.
They also went and drafted a corner that was another weakness,
So this remains a top five or six roster. The
offensive line is not as bad now as everybody thinks.
Number three Buffalo. I like everything they've done for the
last five years. I really do. I love this organization.
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Their issue was they needed a little more pop offensively.
They got running back Macbrita and Emmanuel Sanders. They also
need a better pass rush. What were their first two
picks pass rushers. I just trust the front office and
the coach. I like Buffalo. They went and went. They
got a little more explosive an offense and got a
pass rush. Number two Kansas City totally rebuilt their offensive line.
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Plus they got humiliated in the Super Bowl, which has
a nice way of invigorating offseason workouts. Orlando Brown, Kyle Long,
Joe Tuney went and got the best center in college football.
They already had a good offensive line, but they said
we're rebuilding this puppy. They not only have the best
offensive line, they now have one of the deepest offensive lines.
Number One, I'll just give it the Tampa. They return
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all the coordinators and all the starters from the team,
so they would be my number one team. I think
that's just kind of an automatic. Now there are teams
I like Miami, but I think I put him at
eleven because I just don't know what I get from Tua.
But we got a lot of good teams in the NFL.
As you can tell, Green Bay is very good. I
put him at ten. I just think there's too much
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tension and animosity, and I can't imagine what Ota and
Camp's gonna be like. So I just I don't know.
I think the noisier A team is in the offseason,
the less I like him in Bradshaw's noisy but I
like him. Terry Bradshaw, the Hall of Famer, four Super Bowls,
is now joining us. I got damn season already mapped out.
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Bradshaw got all my teams. I like, I got everything
all set up. I gotta tell you something, Colin, that's impressive.
I'm sitting here listening to you name all these people
and I don't even know all the head coaches yet,
and I'm like, man, that's that's that's guy's sharp. That's
why you're making the big box of work every day.
You got a full time gig. Yeah, and uh I
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came in. You know, I've been out on the seats.
We just picked Okrah last week and we're out on
the highway and we got a big stand there and
we're selling stuff, just trying to get some cash and rough. Well,
let me say this. You made news yesterday because you said,
oh yeah, you said Aaron comes off a little week.
So I'm gonna listen. I rarely disagree with you, but
I will. I want to say this first, and you
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react to it. That we live in a time now, Terry,
where you can't touch the quarterback. The whole league is built.
All the rules now were quarterback. Even Belichick look lost
last year when he lost a quarterback. Don't you have
to in twenty twenty one, Terry, don't you have to
pamper a little bit the quarterback? The whole league now
is built around. You used to be able to have
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great running back as in an average quarterback, and we go, boy,
that's a super Bowl team. If you don't have a
quarterback now, Terry, we just try to cancel you. We
don't even we don't even talk. So can you do
you have to baby Aaron a little. Uh No, No,
I don't think so. I am. I disagree with that.
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I do think that our superstar quarterbacks are our superstars period,
feel a little bit empowered by their by their fame,
and certainly by their fortune. And uh, I do believe
that while Aaron Rodgers is phenomenal. Look, he's a incredible player,
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but I could sit here and tell you right now
he has probably the worst footwork I've ever seen for
starting quarterback. I mean he but I was talking to
uh John Zarneck this morning and I said, he's an
amazingly accurate he protects the football, he puts up monster numbers,
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but his footwork is all over the place. And I
don't know if that's because he got hit a lot
and he's out of position and doesn't trust his lineman
very seldom steps into a throat. Pretty impressive, actually, but
I do believe they are they are a little bit pampered.
A lot of coaches would say, you know what, he
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deserves to be pampered. He's this, he's that, And I say, look,
you signed a contract. You've got a couple of years
left on that. If you want to be like Tom
Brady to play out your contract and then move on.
But in this case, you can't force Aaron Rodgers coddled
maybe too much. He has no right to want to
get the GM fired. What right does he have? No
more right than I have to call Eric Shanks and say,
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tear my contract up. I had a really good year,
and you go, well, you've got four years left on it. Yeah,
but I had a really good and I'm Terry Bradshaw
and I'm superstar. You I don't believe in that. You know,
I'm old school, you know that, And I just think
these players are just Look, he wants to go to
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the West Coast forty nine ers. They eliminated him from that.
He's not going to San Diego and he's certainly not
going to the Rams now. I don't know where he
can go because they're gonna have a calf hit there
in Green Bay. That's monstrous, and I'm support green Bay here.
Make him come back, you know, make him come back
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to you. Don't go to him, Make him come back
to you and answer for it. Or I can retire
and move on and do Jeopardy whatever that he wants
to do. But by the way that that retirement thing
is interesting, is yes it is now now? Yeah, I
mean it's kind of crazy like in your day, you
didn't make the money that they do. Now he's made
a zillion dollars. So it let's say, let's say you
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had one hundred million in the bank account or whatever
Aaron has. Could you have retired with only two Super
Bowls or one or two? If you just you know,
Chuck Nolan, you he was tough on you. You didn't
get pampered. They were drafting Mark Malone. Noel was yelling
at y'all of the cliff doubt. They brought him in
from all over the play. Could you if you only
had one Super Bowl or two and you were just
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tired of it and yet a lot of money in
the bank, could you have retired early? Absolutely? Are you
kidding me? You know you're talking to here. If I
had if i had one hundred million dollars in the bank,
and I'd won one Super Bowl and I had and
I had all these disagreements with the head coach or
the front office, and I've had a belly full of
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it and they're not doing what I want them to do.
Absolutely I could retire. I got one hundred million dollars
in the bank. But hey, listen, ninety five percent of
the Americans don't understand this talk. Listen, ninety five percent
of the people in this country who keep this country
going don't understand. I want to go somewhere else. I'm
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not happy in Green Bay. They didn't get me a
wide out. Well, weren't you the MVP in the league
last year? Yes, I've been the MVP three times now.
But I'm not happy and I want to go somewhere else.
Or I want that general manager fired. Or I can't
believe they drafted a number one, number one last year
at quarterback. I mean, that just ticks me off. I
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don't understand that kind of thinking. I'm sorry, I'm just
a little bit old school there. If he doesn't want
to play for Green Bay, retire, move on, Because you
know what, when Brett Farvee left, we all said, oh
my god, this guy has fallen. Around here comes Aaron
Rodgers and it wasn't fallen. And now he's gonna leave,
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and then who's next. There's always somebody else. Colin. I
don't know why we have to coddle these guys so much.
Terry Bradshaw says anything about a superstar quarterback, I'm jealous
or I'm just stupid. They come up with all these
He must have been drinking, you know, and I probably was.
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But it doesn't make it doesn't make any sense to me.
Why you feel empowered? Why do you feel empowered just
because you are in Green Bay and you're Aaron Rodgers
and you've you don't you've accomplished all this? Hey, my friend,
I want to remind you something. Tom Brady played his
(13:20):
contract out. Tom Brady's won seven Super Bowls. Last time
I looked, Aaron, you've won one? There? You haven't. Yeah,
you know, all these um all these young quarterbacks come
in and it was different in your day. You didn't
have seven on seven camps when you were nine years
old and ten years old. These guys now they have
a zillion throws by the time they're twelve. They're all
(13:41):
ready to play. I know so so, but I do
look at some of them and I think they can
win games. Now, you know the guy I feel sorry
for that Zach Wilson kid from BYU because, first of all,
Terry that division, Brian Flores, Sean McDermott, and Belichick are
three of the top four defensive coaches the league. It's
a bad old line. They want him to play day one.
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I look at that and I think to myself, when
you go when you went to the Steelers, did you
have to start day one? What were the expectations? Was
there a lot of pressure? Oh? Golly is back when
we were in leather helmets, I don't know what when
we even on television back then, I started day one,
but I wasn't very good. Yeah, I and Colin I
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agree with you here. I liked Zach Wilson a lot.
And he's such a nice kid. He's such a nice
kid that I'm even saying there's maybe he's a little
bit naive. Maybe he's like me because he's going to
New York and he is a kid that's probably gonna struggle,
(14:45):
and you know what's gonna happen. They're gonna start screaming.
And how well does he handle adversity? How well can
he put up with the media and all the distractions
of wa aren't you this? And why aren't you that?
And he can't go on, he can't get in front
of the reporters with my offics and lines not very good. Oh,
my wide receivers aren't very good. Oh and by the way,
(15:06):
I don't have a tight end either. Oh and running game, well,
we don't have a running game. I really feel for
this kid. I hope I'm wrong. I've talked to his
father's father's a fabulous man, the wonderful family, and I
just think he's gonna get beat up and we're gonna
find out how tough he is. I hear he's really
(15:28):
you know, he's really got the football acumen down. But
I'm gonna find that you gotta be tough as I'll
get out on the inside to make it in this league,
and New York are toughen you up. For sure. I
like him a lot. I don't know what he weighs
right now, but by the time the season's over with,
you can probably d duck twenty five pounds because he's
gonna be running for his life. Terry Bradshaw's joining us.
(15:52):
You know it, Terry. It's a different world where you know, expectations, media, noise,
all this stuff. I was talking to somebody the other day.
I was talking to Michael Irvin. I said, God, you're
you and Joe Namath they're lucky. There wasn't an iPhone,
and Michael was funny. Michael says, forget the iPhone. He goes,
I couldn't get out of trouble in the eleven o'clock
(16:13):
news era, forget the iPhone. Here, I've been in trouble
every fifteen minutes. And I and I look, and I
look at you and these young kids. I'm always kind
of amazed, Terry. Most of these young quarterbacks are so mature,
they really are. Were you mature? Were you mature at
twenty one? What were you like? No? No, I listen.
I was so naive so in the church I have listen. Listen.
(16:38):
If I came out today out of Louisiana Tech, I
would probably be a fifth or six round draft pick.
I would not be the first pick in the draft.
I was no way, no way. Was I ready to
be a starter in the National Football League between my ears. Physically, yes,
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but I had to learn so much about the media.
And listen, you're right, there's two or three reporters I
had to deal with. I can't imagine what these kids
are going through with when you come out of Florida
and when you come out of Alabama, like Mac Jones
is doing. When you come out of these big programs,
your own television all the time, you're constantly be an interview.
You go through a little bit of duress while you're performing.
(17:23):
Maybe maybe not. Most of these big time quarterbacks we
have today have never been criticized in NFL. I'm always
jealous of God, like John Elway, who was the door
Dan Marino. I mean, he's worshiped in Miami, Dan foul.
It's always God. What would it be like to do that?
But then again, I look at myself and I say, well,
I had to grow up. And I will give Chuck
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no credit for this. He put me in tough situations
and he could have I very easily could have just disappeared.
And then I finally and I told my agent, Ira Stauberger,
I said, you know what happened. I got downright nasty.
I got downright mean and nasty, and I inside emotionally,
(18:08):
I just hated everybody, and I just took it out
on everybody. They didn't know it. But that's what motivated me.
That's what got me. That's what saved me in the NFL.
Because if I hadn't have done that, Colin, I was out.
I was gone. It was I was not ready, not
ready at all. Most of these guys. You're right, I
don't know about the guy in North Dakota State that
(18:29):
went to San Francisco. I don't know anything about him.
I don't know anything about him. He's the only one
I don't know anything about. Listen, I like Traps that
went to Tampa Bay out of Florida. I like him
a lot. Yeah, I'm there's a kid that's already been
through every down, every bad thing that can happen for
a kid, never starting in high school, never starting and
(18:51):
walking on at Florida. Now look at me, and went
to the second round of Tampa Bay. And I know
a little bit about him, And I'm saying, no, that's
the kind of guy. I like a guy that's into
it and made, you know, and survived it. You gotta
go through the You gotta you gotta go through the
trenches in this league. You gotta, you gotta struggle. Even
Brady when he was drafted in the what six or
seventh round, went right to mister Craft and said, hey,
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you know you're gonna be glad you drafted me. He
had a chip on this show. He used that too
to his benefit, and it made him tough. You gotta
have that to play in the National Football League, especially
at quarterbacks. I can't believe you were ever mean, you're
a big jar of cookie though. Now you're just an
old Sam. No, no, no, hey listen, I am a sugarcoot,
there's no I am a baby doll. Yeah, there's no question.
(19:37):
But Colin, I say one thing and the world comes
on top of me. Yeah, well I can't. I mean,
I mean, what's wrong with that? You asked me a question, Yeah,
I got, I got opinions. Now, hey, listen, if you
were a backup for Tampa Bay in the sevenies, nobody
give a rip. But you got a bunch of rings,
so everybody gives a rip. That's the good news. By
(19:58):
the way, since I'm being honest, what to the beard?
I thought you really looked really good. Now it's gone.
I meant to say, what mustache looked terrible? Terry, It
looked terrible. It was I did you know what? I
looked in the mirror one day and I thought I
wouldn't want to be friends with you, and I thought
I got to get rid of it. Hey listen, hey, listen,
(20:20):
the job you got, nobody wants to be your friend anyway.
That's enough, Branshaw. I get out of here. Get out
of here, Terry Bradshaw, send me my money, all right,
see a letter Terry Bradshaw. Joy asked me this morning too.
She would say, what happened to your mustache? One morning,
I literally looked in the mirror and I'm like, Nope,
don't like that guy I got. I don't know. I
got used to it. But now when I see playbacks
(20:41):
of you with the mustache, I looked stuffy. It's a sideways.
It's not your look. I look like a hitchhiker. You
You are exaggerating how unruly it was. It was not
that unruly. It was the most kept mustache ever. All right,
good stuff. Bradshaw was great. Rashaan Slater or the Chargers
new left tackle cannot he was so great. After the draft,
these kids, it's those Northwestern kids. You know what, mate,
(21:03):
it's not a football power. And all of a sudden,
now they've got good football players. They all come out
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on the Herd, good Stuff Terry Bradshaw, stop by Rashaun Slater,
(21:44):
Chris Broussard. Coming up this hour, Joey Taylor now with
the news. No, no turn on the news. This is
the Herd Line News. Tensions are very high right now
between the Packers and Aaron Rodgers. There's plenty of reports
saying he wants out of Green Bay. Yeah, Adams wide
(22:05):
receivers seemed twayne on those rumors. Yesterday he tweeted, gotta
appreciate what you got while you got it. Whoa as
Aaron Rodgers liked the tweet. He liked the tweet. I
liked it because I thought it meant that DeVante was saying, Aaron,
you'd better appreciate me while you got me. I don't
think that's what he's saying. He's saying you should appreciate
(22:27):
Aaron while you got him. I think so because that
can be taken both ways, could be taken or could
just be you know him, just Aaron is personal. He's
dealing with Aaron. DMS. A lot of people I know,
like five people that have been DM by Aaron. Now
another one Shla. He's very dmy. He likes to DMA.
I don't DM a lot. You know what, um if
(22:49):
you have to be very careful like I DM. People
like young broadcasters all DM and say hey you're kicking
buttu fist bump. But if I do it, it's mostly
to god. Is because I want to think abody to
get Yeah, we've had this conversation before. Yeah, I just
like because I occasionally say hey, great job, you're doing
a great job. Then I was thinking I did it
once or twice, and I thought, I don't know if
(23:10):
I should do that. Yeah. The problem with DMS is
similar to texts. If you're like texting with someone that
you that doesn't know you, well, they made me don't
know your tone. That's right, you know, you kind of
have to like over emphasize things because you don't want
to sound very cold. Um, Aaron's very DAR. He's very DM.
I'm gonna steal that. He's very Dmmy is well. Look,
(23:33):
I'm firmly on Aaron Rodger's side. You are You're all.
I am seventy I'm eighty percent Aaron here, you're under well.
I hear where Terry Bradshaw is coming from because he
grew up in a different era and had a different
experience in the league. But I am in the camp
of things change and the way that business has done changes, right,
(23:55):
And it's not just the way that the league has changed.
The world has changed. There are avenues in which to
make money that never existed before, and not just some
money millions and millions of dollars. I'm giving up their
show and doing twitch from this point four. I mean
Dak Prescott made fifty million dollars and endorsements last year.
Fifty So that you have more leverage anytime you have
(24:18):
money and you have your finances are in a comfortable space,
you have more leverage with your job because you can say, like, listen,
my money is set, I'm more concerned about this than that.
And Aaron is in that situation as well. He's obviously
made a ton of money and it will continue to
make money outside of football, So it's not really just
about money. And I don't understand why it's so unrelatable. Actually,
(24:40):
I think all of us have worked at a job
where we've had a problem or an issue with our boss,
or we feel like we're very valuable and we're not
being appreciated. That that's not just an NFL starting quarterback thing.
Most people get into a situation where they feel like
they're not being appreciated. Right, and furthermore, with Aaron's situation,
so Schlara's point earlier, he is somebody that covers worts.
(25:03):
For years, the Packers have leaned in on Aaron's talents,
not provided him with the defense that he needs, not
provided him with skill position weapons, and completely leaned it
on him doing all of the winning. And now when
he wants some say or he feels disrespected, it's like
crazy town, Like you are perfectly fine using his talents
(25:26):
and leaning in on that, and now you are you're
upset that he is he has owed something. No, I mean,
the Packers remind me, and I'm not taking a shot
at ESPN, but They remind me a lot of ESPN.
ESPN's thing is always we're ESPN. We give you a
big microphone. We're not going to give you a blank
That's why so many people leave. Very few people in
(25:47):
the history of Fox have left for there. A lot
of their people have left for here. Why we are
much more of a seahawk ram cowboy deal making consider
very pro player. The packers in ESPN aren't listen. This
is how we do business right. We're not mortgaging the future.
(26:08):
Are brand's very good and the brand is bigger than
the human and far Off at the end was upset
with them, and Rogers was upset with them. And Corey
Lindsley's the fifth round pick. You paid him nothing becomes
a pro bowler, you won't keep him. That's how they
do business. And they're always good and they're always relevance.
But they can't argue that they're always great. No, they
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don't win enough championships for the talent. There's no disputing, right,
So how you do business is fine, but the results
should reflect how you're doing business. Okay, you're great Tampa,
do you know that in the last fifteen years? Or
you're great Green Bay. Tampa and Green Bay have the
same number of Super Bowls in the last ten years.
(26:51):
I mean so again, And by the way, Tampa's favored
to win this year in Green Bay. I don't know
how this morning anybody could consider Green Bay in the
top three or four Super Bowl favorites with all their disharmony. Yeah, so,
Jimmy Garoppolo's time in San Francisco is likely winding down
thanks to them drafting Trey Lance third overall. But Kyle
Shanahan isn't giving a timeline for when the switch will
(27:12):
be made. He said on The Rich Eyes and Show
that he still considers Jimmy d the starter, but he
won't rule out Trey Lance seeing the field as a rookie.
Jimmy's definitely our starter right now, and right now there
isn't competition because I don't believe Trey would be in
a position to compete. Jimmy is too good of a players,
got too good of a grasp of our offense. I'm
not going to sit here and say I'll never play
a rookie quarterback, and I'm not gonna sit here and
(27:33):
say I will play him. It's that's kind of up
to him. When he's ready to compete, which that doesn't
mean he tells me. That doesn't mean I tell him, Hey,
we'll see it. And I think it'll start with me,
but I'll go to the coaches, I'll go to the
players and guys know when a guy's ready to compete
with the starter, and you kind of get that vibe.
I don't feel like there's a lot of pressure on
Trey Lance. Oh god, no, I mean really, if you
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told me one thing about the Niners, I would say
twelve win team. If you just said one thing, Jimmy
stays healthy for fifteen of the seventeen games, I'll even
give you two weeks off. I'd be like, Okay, this
is as a twelve win team. Well, yeah, I mean again,
they had a ton of injuries last year. It wasn't yeah,
(28:16):
it wasn't just I could probably need to look this up,
but like they might have had the most injuries to
their starters around the league. I mean, we would put
the graphic up. It's like seventeen guys at one point.
So they're going to be better just based off the
fact that they are going to be healthier next year.
But even if Trey Lance does end up seeing the
field sooner than we think. Because Jimmy g is injured,
they're in that grace window now like you drafted a
(28:39):
rookie quarterback. We know how much Trey Lance has played
in college, so there shouldn't be massive expectations. I think
the fan base is comfortable with it not being a
season where you're necessarily a contenders. If Jimmy isn't healthy,
you're in. You've just bought yourself a lot of grace
and taking Trey Lance at that position. So Russell Westbrook
made history last night get fourteen points, twenty one rebounds,
(29:00):
and twenty four assists in the Wizards one fifty four
scores insane one fifty one win over the Pacers. This
is only the third time a player has had a
ten twenty twenty triple double in NBA history. Westbrook has
two of them, Wilt Chamberlain has the other one. This
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was also the one hundred and seventy eighth triple double
of Westbrook's career, which him puts him three away from
Oscar Robertson's record of one hundred and eighty one. How
many titles this year? How many times? How about one number?
What's his title count. He's guaranteed to average a triple
double this season for the fourth time in his career.
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No other player has had more than one such season.
There's a lot of good numbers there. I just like
the I'd like to have a one under the championship. Look,
I think I understand where you're coming from, but I
also think it is important to appreciate great talents, and
I appreciate always makes the regular season interesting. Yeah, I'm
(30:05):
not going to deny that he must must watch TV.
He's very very you know, you got me on that.
He's very entertaining. I'm not denying it. He's very popular,
very popular. I think it's I think different players have
difference careers. Like we can point to a lot of
guys who have had unbelievable seasons, unbelievable careers. Yeah, unbelievable
lega season they did not win a champions I'm I'm
(30:27):
I'm zaney. I like winning. I also like winning, but
I can appreciate great talent. By the way, Wilt was
a flake too. I don't think Russell Westbrook is a
flake at all. He's not a flake. Well, what is
very my best friends the ball, Yeah, that's the opposite
(30:47):
of a flake. What if I said this my best
friends the microphone, I would say, you are obsessed with
your job. I would say it was a weirdough. Well,
if the session does tend to lean that way, okay, Hi,
what are you doing today for sham? I don't know.
We'll go out and have some champagne. Look, that would
be not odd. Russe has has several years left in
his career. He may still win a championship. I understand
(31:10):
your if you're best If you're best friends, that table tomorrow,
I gotta go to manage. I don't know what the
table is gonna do to serve me. The microphone might
be better. Oh, I'm being obnoxious. Joy with the news.
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. I
hope you were dying. I don't even know if you were.
I was just all right. Okay, fine, Well, best friends
(31:32):
of my microphone aren't pay attention to people. Bruce arge
around the corner. Oh, he loves boy, he loves Westbrook Brother.
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waste any time. There's some fascinating NBA stories to talk about,
and Chris Bruce Sart is joining us live. All right,
let me go right through them. First of all, Lakers
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won last night. I don't know what to take of it.
I think they're in a little trouble. I don't think
their chemistry is good. Lebron's been bitter all here because
he got a condensed season, he didn't get an off season.
He's in a bad mood now. He hates the play tournament.
Do you take anything from them beating Denver last night,
does it mean anything. I've got concerns about them, but
(32:55):
my goodness, not like you. I mean, you just ran
down the launcher list of the problems with the Lake. Look,
it boils down to one thing for the Lakers, Lebron
James's health. Two things. I'll give you the second one
as well. Lebron James's health number one. Obviously, I agree
totally with what Lebron says Sunday night. If he's healthy,
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it doesn't matter where they're seated. If I'd rather be
the eighth seed or even the ninth seed and have
to win the play in round with a healthy Lebron James,
then the third or fourth seed, and he's not one
hundred percent or ninety five percent or whatever. So that's
the number one challenge. But if he's healthy, second league
is Anthony Davis all right? Anthony Dave. Last night was
(33:37):
a step in the right direction. He has not been
the guy that he was last year at all. This season.
Even before the injury, he wasn't playing up to his
standards he had. He's been worse than that since he
came back from injury. But last night he hit the
big shot at the end of the game. So that
was a step in the right direction. But look, they've
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got three things that, if they work out, scare everybody
in the Western Conference. Number One, playoff Lebron, so assuming
he's healthy, he's there too, Anthony Davis playing near the
top of his game. And then three defense. They are
an excellent defensive team, one of the top two or
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three in the league, and they maintain that without Lebron
in a d. So when you do those things, and
they've got some decent shooters as well, then you're gonna
have a shot. So if Lebron's healthy, I'm still high
on the Lakers' chances of gett into the finals. Listen,
one of the great stories I think in the league
this year. It's fun. It's the New York Knicks. Now,
(34:39):
I think offensively there's limitations, But when Julius Randall was
a Laker, they didn't know what to do with him
because the Warriors were hitting all these threes and they
were trying to duplicate the Warriors, and he was like Zion,
he gives you twos, he gives you effort. I don't
know if they're built for the postseason, but I kind
of buy them right the way in which they play
(34:59):
r J now as a real player, Yeah, I'm with you.
Look early in the season, even halfway through the season,
I was making fun of Knicks fans because here in
the New York area, people aren't even thinking about Brooklyn,
all right, it's all about the Knicks, the mediocre Knicks
at that time. But I've seen the light. I like
(35:22):
what they're doing Colin over their last thirty nine games.
So people are talking about this stretch where they've won
twelve or thirty you can basically only forty games, and
they have a record. They've won sixty six percent of
those games. That would be the second best record in
the East over eighty two games. So they have been
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playing really good basketball. And they're an old school team,
not surprisingly with Tom Thibodeaux. But they defend all right.
They're one of the best defensive teams in the league.
They play hard, so nobody wants to play them because
they're just gnats and they get after it and they
hound you and they bother you and all that. They
go deep and offensively, they shoot the three well, they're
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thirty nine percent, one of the top five in the league.
But they don't shoot it a lot. They probably should
shoot it more, but that they played that old school
time Thibodeau basketball, and it's bothersome for teams. But you're right,
second round right now to be Philadelphia obviously, I like
Philly in that. And then if Brooklyn somehow gets that
top seed, you're meeting Brooklyn in the second round, they would,
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you know, try to beat up the Nets, but the
Nets just have too much talent. So I'm with you.
Has been a great story and if they can get
to the second round of the playoffs, then I think
that's great for New York. Yeah. So for years I
was critically Cam Newton and people ripped me, but I said,
if he was on the open market, what's he worth?
Well we found out nothing League minimum. New England was
the only team that wanted him. Same with Trubisky, Bears.
(36:50):
I love Trubisky open market. He's a backup Russell Westbrook.
If he was on the open market today, Sons don't
want him, Jazz don't want him, Denver do. Brooklyn didn't
want him. Yeah, I mean he's shut a bunch of
records last night. Let me, I just don't buy. If
he was on the open market tomorrow. Who would None
of the good teams would want him. So how do
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you how am I supposed to value him as the
second best point guard ever after Magic? According to his coach, Well,
first of all, don't ever put Mitch Rubiski's name in
the same sense as Russell Westbrook. All Right, Cam, I
can get with. All right, the old Cam, the MVP,
they go to the Super Bowl, I can get with that.
We know the injuries have depleted him. But look, Westbrook,
(37:33):
I'm with you in that. First of all, Scotty Brooks
is out of his mind. All right. He should be
to have his head check for saying he's the second
best point guard of all time. I even have trouble.
Where do you put Westbrook? Is he a point guard?
Is he a two guard? You know what he is, Colin,
He's a spectacle. And I don't mean that in a
(37:54):
negative way. I mean it in a completely positive way.
He is a spectacle, and I would argue he's one
of the top five most athletic players the game has
ever seen. Lebron not disorder, Lebron wilt Jordan right Iverson maybe,
and Russell like what he does. It is tremendous. These
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four seasons of averaging a triple double, it is unbelievable.
And he is like Alan Iverson. Alan Iverson was iconic,
He was tremendous. But I don't know that I would
have wanted Alan Iverson on my team as a coach
or player. I mean, he was hard to He played
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with Carmelo in his prime. They never won. They want
They didn't win the playoff series. He played with Chris Webber.
Chris Webber average twenty and ten. The year he played
with Iverson, Andre Woodalla was there and they didn't even
make the playoffs. Iverson was thirty three and eight that
year they didn't make the playoffs. It's they are. Iverson
and Westbrook are just great individual phenoms. That's what they are.
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You're gonna have trouble winning with them. Now. In fairness
to rust, he's played with great players, but he has won,
you know, eleven playoff series and he's been to the finals,
and he's been the conference finals. Iverson only won six
playoff series and after other than the year he went
to the finals in OH one, he didn't win a lot,
never got past the second round. But if you gave
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Westbrook a Larry Brown coach like Iverson had that year,
and you just build a team around Westbrook's unique skills grinders, rebounders, defenders,
and guys that could shoot the three. It's got out
of the realm of possibility. You could have had a
run like Philadelphia had that year. So they're they're very similar.
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He's certainly not the second best point guard of all time.
There's a lot of point guards that aren't as good
as him that I would rather have had on my
team to set things up. But he's a phenomenal individuals player,
and that's how we go look at him. He's not
gonna win a ring, and even if he does, he's
not gonna outweigh the four years of averaging a triple double.
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So we just have to appreciate him for what he is.
That's not that's not bad. That's about the best way
I've ever heard it describes. It's somewhere like sometimes you
go to Thanksgiving dinner and you got that quirky uncle,
but he is funny and he's always there for you
if you need to ride to the airport. So you
just sometimes not everybody is everything. You just appreciate what
people can give you and I gotta run. Chris Brussard,
(40:29):
Thanks buddy, that was well. Like I like the way
it's a spectacle. There's nothing wrong with that. There's not
a lot of substance to a firework show, but they're fun.
I've gone to a lot of firework shows, a lot
of fireworks shows. Of course I like blown stuff up,
but I you know, it doesn't mean it's got a
ton of anything else. Even when I say nice stuff,
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