May 11, 2021 • 38 mins
Colin reacts to Tim Tebow's return to the NFL and why we should all be highly skeptical of his chances to succeed after not playing in the league for 8 years. He talks about Russell Westbrook's record breaking night and why this turned out to be "on brand" for the former MVP. He also warns the Green Bay Packers about where they could be headed if the run Aaron Rodgers out of town. Plus, Vikings WR Justin Jefferson joins the show to talk about their reported interest in drafting a new QB to replace Kirk Cousins.
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Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go on a Tuesday,
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live in beautiful Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you
may be, however you may be listening Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio and FS one. Joy Taylor returns today. So fitting
that Joy is back her brother, of course, the Hall
of Fame football player, Joy understands what NFL locker rooms
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are all about. Your brother, of course, played for Nick Saban,
best college coach ever, who did not work in the
NFL for a variety of reasons. He didn't quite get
the sensibility, the temperature of the room in an NFL
locker room, right, that fair, It's two different businesses and
two different sports. We often pushed them together and they've
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gotten much closer over the years. But yeah, it's a
big difference coaching young men and adults with mortgages and
children of their own, and that often make more than you.
The coach, yes, and have a union, a players union.
And so there's a television show out there. I just
started binge washing. It's quite adorable. That's a keyword here.
It's optimistic. It's corny, but it's hopeful. It's called ted Lasso.
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It's really quite good as a TV show where a
small Southern football coach Division two school wins and I mean,
it is beyond corny, but you suspend belief because you
know it's not true. And the character is so infinitely
likable that he gets hired by a devious owner of
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an English Premier League team. She's a great actress to
coach an English Premier League team, and he's never watched
a soccer game. Again, it's not realistic, but it works
as a TV show. It doesn't work in real life.
Urban Meyer thinks ted Lasso, and maybe that's because he's
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watching the show and he likes it like me. He
thinks he's going to bring a tight end that hasn't
played for eight years. Oh my bad. Tim Tebow's never
played tight end. He's a quarterback and I'm gonna do
a Ted Lasso impression here. If you think Tim Tebow
tight end to Jacksonville works, you think Ted Lasso would
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walk into that locker room. Well, boys, boys, we gotta
we gotta guys. Been out of the league eight years,
maybe nine out lost camp. He used to be a quarterback.
It wasn't very good at that. He's a tight end.
He'd never done that, and he's gonna set the culture
in here. He's gonna show us boys how to win.
Oh God, it's cringey. Tim Tebow is now at six two.
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There are no tight ends. At six two, six four
is considered small at tight end is going to put
his hand in the dirt and going to block a
young man who is a pass rusher that weighs twenty
five pounds more and wants to put food on his
table because he's got a new baby girl and he's
been cut by two NFL teams, and he wants to
kick Tebow's ass because he doesn't buy his nonsense anyway,
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because that defensive end would never have gotten a shot
at baseball. He would never have been drafted in the
first round, and he's putting food on the table for
his baby daughter. And you think Tim Tebow's gonna put
a hand in the dirt and block him. All that
is so cute. This is awful. It's so collegiate, folks.
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Rudy is a true story about a walk on in college.
Hoosiers is about Indiana high school basketball. This is the NFL.
People wonder if Kyle Pitts, the new prototype at tied End,
can block. He's six five and runs a four four,
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and they will demand he blocks Tim six two. He
ran a four seven forty eight nine years ago. He's
never been as athletic as everybody hopes. And he's a
good person, and he's corny and optimistic and hopeful. He
is Ted Lasso. And I liked Tim, and I've met
his brother, bumped into him on vacation. I've said before
I'd put Tim somewhere on a roster, maybe like seven
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years ago. But this isn't gonna sell. We know Urban.
I liked Urban, I know Urban. I've known Urban forever.
I've been saying nice things about Urban. Today's not one
of those days. Okay, we all know Urban is smart
and can coach good broadcaster. Two. The question was always
does he understand the senseability of the locker room, Saban
really didn't, and Saban and sharp and Urban sharp. But
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when Urban tried to muscle through a strength coach from
Iowa who had just been fired for abusive behavior to
athletes and some racially insensitive stuff as a little bit
of red flags like Urban that that I'm not gonna
work here, and that lasted about a day. It's like,
you can't treat NFL players like that. They'll deck him. Okay,
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you can't sell Tim Tebow out of the league eight
years as a tight end. Now, maybe he's trying to
get invested, get his pension or something like that. I mean,
maybe that's it. But even then, you're taking somebody else's job.
A head coach told me, called me this morning. He's
does does Tebo understand what it's like the block a
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defensive end? Yeah? Does he own a mouthpiece? Come on again, Hoosiers,
Rudy Ted Lasso. I loved all of them. I loved
all of them, but their TV shows or their movies
and the red then you allow Ted Lasso to work.
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I mean, by the way, this shows you how unrealistic
it is. It's shot in London. They say the first
three episodes. It never rains, it's sunny every day. Well
that tells you right there. It's not made in England,
or they picked the two days of the year it
doesn't rain in England, or is not cloudy. But you
suspend belief because you liked the story and it's hopeful,
and so is so is Tebow. That's why everybody fell
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in love with Tebow. We knew we couldn't throw. He
wasn't that athletic, but he was an easy guy to
root for. Right in America, everything so negative and cynical,
and Tebow was like Ted Lasso. He was so optimistic
and so hopeful and chasing his dream. He was impossible
for a lot of people not to root for. He
put his religion out there. He was just the It
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was like, you know, players said, he's the guy you
want your daughter to marry. So nice, but it didn't
work at quarterback and a baseball where he was a
great high school player with both and a great college
are in football, folks, sometimes I think it borders on disrespectful,
I really do. I think you're gonna try to take
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food off the table from defensive ends. Somebody's losing a
roster spot because of this man. It feels like an
eye roll to me. And I don't want to be
negative here. I'm mister you know, Uncle Colin is mister
positivity glass half full. But boy, this just doesn't feel right.
This feels like the strength coach with a nicer guy.
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It feels like a complete eye roll by NFL people
when I have coaches calling me this morning and going
to hell. Sorry using that word in a t boat ramp,
but I mean, it's just it's not gonna work, all right,
So all right. I remember when the late Kobe Bryant
scored sixty points in his last game and he set
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a record for the most shots ever taken in the game.
And I worked with somebody at the time and he
hated it. That's not how you ended, and I argued, no,
that's that's exactly how it should end for Kobe Bryant.
Kobe Bryant was authentic to himself. Kobe Bryant. Laker fans
would tell you he often shot too much, but Kobe
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Bryant setting an NBA record on his last game shooting
the most shots ever and dropping sixty was perfect. Kobe
was a performer, an entertainer, closest thing we've seen to Jordan,
and it worked for me. I thought that's authentic, that
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that's who Kobe. Had Kobe come out and set a
record for assists, he'd be like, that's not who Kobe is.
Russell Westbrook did something last night. Now I didn't try
to do it like Kobe, but it was a perfect,
perfect night. That symbolizes Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook is insanely athletic,
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top five athlete league history, wildly fun, polarizing, and last
night he set the all time NBA record for triple doubles.
And at the end of the game, with plenty of time,
he took a three pointer and missed. It was not
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great judgment. He had time to drive and draw a foul.
He's good at that, and he missed a three pointer.
Of course he did. Here's the end of the game.
It's so fitting. The Wizards are gonna go with it.
Here comes Westbrook. Four seconds Westbrook puts up the three,
no good, and Atlanta's gonna win it by one. It's tough,
right there, got a clean look off. Russell Westbrook came
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up Shore on a night when he makes history. He
keeps that ball. But the Wizards in a one point game. Again,
of course he kept the ball. He once said, it's
his best friend. That's how he should set the record.
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And this is not a criticism of him. When Jameis
Winston his last pass as a buccaneer was a pick six,
you're like, oh, that's kind of what it should be.
Russell Westbrook gave you both facets of his game last night.
His utter brilliance, his unmistakable athletic ability, his brilliant talent
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carved through years of focus and determination. You got that.
And he missed a three pointer badly when he should
have driven, gotten fouled and headed to the line. You
get that. He's won seven playoff games since he and
KD got a divorce, and that's with James Harden and
Paul George to two different stops. He is one of
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the most unique players ever. People say Iverson, I think
he's more athletic than Iverson. I think he's stronger than
i Verson. I think he's more vertical than Iverson. He
may not be fast. I'm not sure anybody's ever been
as fast as Iverson. But you got a little of
both yesterday. In fact, you got a lot of both
can't really shoot judgment. Sometimes we don't love. But he
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now holds an NBA record one that means a lot
to him, not much to most. I'm not really a
trouble double guy, but it means a lot to Westbrook
Pole most basketball fans it doesn't mean a lot to them,
but that too, has always been Westbrook. He's a little different,
he's contrarian, he's unique, and now fittingly, he's a record holder.
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FS one and the iHeart Radio app. So Davante Adams
was on our show yesterday. Thank god the NFL network
credited us with the actual interview. Somebody didn't. Nonetheless, I
am not bitter. I do not hold grudges. Davante was great,
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great to have him. I'd love to have him on again.
So we talked about I asked him some questions about
what if Aaron leaves, what are you doing? You're a
free agent in the year, and DeVante Adams said this.
When I first got it, Um I was I was
actually on the golf course. I'm trying to enjoy myself
a couple of Bruskies out there, so it's a it's
a good day, um, and then I hear that and
it kind of sways it. Obviously, I don't really know
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what the thing. Hadn't really spoke to him, so, UM,
you know, it wasn't the best news to receive while
I'm out there trying to have a good time. But
you know, it scared me a little bit. If Aaron
moved on. You have such an incredible working relationship with him,
what it a fact your future in Green Bay? Potentially? Potentially?
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I mean that's my guy. That's the only guy that
I've had, Um, you know, other than that um twenty
seventeen season when he got hurts, it's the only guy
that I played with him. Um. You know, we built
up a special connection over the years that has made it,
you know, put us both in really good positions in
our career. It would change a lot, man. You know,
doesn't mean potentially I'd be gone, but um, you know,
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I definitely have to do some extra thinking if if
MC guy wasn't here, Yeah, you don't want to lose him.
He may be the best receiver in the league. In
the last dance, the Michael Jordan documentary. It was really
a cautionary tale on don't tick off your superstar. As
Joy has said often, not many him around, take care
of him. General manager Jerry Krause of the Bulls didn't
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want Phil Jackson back, but that didn't mean he lost
just Phil Jackson because Michael said, I will not play
without Phil Jackson. So you'll lose the best coach and
the best player. And then Scottie Pippen, Rodman, Steve Kerr
Bolt and now your best player is Tony kukocha finesse
European who won best sixth man in the league. That's
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your franchise player. You lose Aaron Rodgers number one, your
Jordan love pick is going to be exposed. Gonna be
a bad day for Brian Gudenkoon's the gym. I'm gonna
lose the locker room. You canna lose Davante Adams. By
the way, You've never been a place that can get
free agents anyway. Yeah, you're done. Get nos. You struggle
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to get him with far of an Aaron Rodgers, folks,
the Chicago Bulls have never recovered. And that's a wealthy
franchise with an owner willing to pull the trigger on
big moves. And by the way, it's a very attractive city.
I'm going there this weekend. They've never won more than
fifty games one time twenty three years. That's it. The
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Chicago Bulls have never recovered Green Bay. Do you understand
how the dominoes work. I've worked in corporate America for
god ever, let's start with that ever. And you know,
I've had a pleasant experience every place I've been. But
I'll tell you something almost as a rule, executives sometimes
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don't see around corners, and you think one move stands
on its own, And it is incredible in my career
doing this, how often one move becomes two, becomes three,
becomes four. You lose Aaron Rodgers. You better have a
backup plan. You better be trading with somebody with a
quarterback minimum Derek Carr, because you bring Teddy Bridgewater in.
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Nice guy, but they don't play the same. So there
there are. You lose a Jordan, you lose an Aaron Rodgers.
There is such a waterfall effect of just people moving
on agents like don't play. Why would an agent want
one of his receivers to go to Green Bay? Your
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catches are gonna go down. That's what I always said
about that, the Tim Tebow fascination. That was always like
wide receivers are never gonna want to play in Denver.
They had de Marius Thomas and Eric Decker, their numbers plummeted,
Tebow's gone, Peyton Manning comes in. Now they're all pros.
Now they're getting I mean, the bottom line is you
lose Aaron and Jordan loves stinks if he does. And
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by the way, their GM said this path, you know
a week, he's a long way off what free agent
wants their career to end in the smallest city. So
it is Davante Adams, You're not gonna You're not gonna
get another Dvante Adams. Like he's a he's a he's
a Hall of Famer. He's maybe the best red zone
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receiver in the NFL. Like there's not a lot of
him on the conveyor belt like those Jason Taylor's. Davante
Adams just don't Khalil max. You don't get a lot
of chance. Khalil Mack is a once in a decade
rush end. Giants have never gotten to Lawrence Taylor. Bulls
have never gotten anything close to Michael Jordan, Zach Levine,
that's Michael Jordan. That's about as close as they've had.
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best or Nothing. Okay, I want to start with Tebow
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before I get into the packers. So I just said this.
Have you seen the show Ted Lasso yet? I have not. Okay,
it's corny and it's hopeful and it's optimistic, but it's
a TV show and it's actually funny. It's totally unrealistic.
A Division two college football coach wins, and he gets
hired to coach an English Premier League soccer team and
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he's never watched soccer again. It's totally unrealistic, but it
works as a TV show, right. It works because he's
a likable character. The writing's very funny. Tim Tebow to
the NFL feels like that it's overly optimistic and hopeful,
the fat that he's gonna put his hand in the
dirt and try to block defensive end eight years out
of the league. I wonder if if that locker room
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in Jacksonville saying come on, bro really like, I don't know,
it's greg. It just I don't It feels very hokey
and collegiate to me. Do you think the locker room
buys into it? You know, that's the question. I'm not
certain they have a young locker room, and so that's
what gives me hope. If they were more of a
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veteran locker room, then I think this would not work
even even speaking about it, because you got to think
about what this looks like. For so many players, they
work their tails off each and every year to make
a roster, and then you see a guy who comes
in who has been out of football for the length
in the duration of time that Tim Tebow has been
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out of not coming back to play the position that
he was once in the league for playing playing another position,
and he's on the roster like he's there with an opportunity,
and it's so hard for these young men to even
get an opportunity. Yeah, it would. It wouldn't come across
great for a lot of veteran guys. And so when
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you're thinking about young guys, they have to kind of
embrace it because it is what it is. They don't
know any better. Yeah, I mean again, Rudy worked because
it was a blowout game. It's one play. It's college.
There's all sorts of walk ons in college. It's kind
of a fun story. This feels like walk ons in
the NFL. And remember, you're taking somebody's roster spot. So
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I just correct. I think there's you're gonna get a
lot of whispers in that locker room, like, dude, you
couldn't play baseball either. Let's go to this. So the
GM Brian Gudenkouns had a quote that I Joy just
talked about. I hadn't seen this quote. Apparently he made
it last week when he said Jordan Love has quote
a long way to go unquote, And I'm thinking, Okay, dude,
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you have thirty three thirty two college stars. I know
there wasn't a free season, but justin Herbert walked on,
he didn't get much of a preseason either. I'm thinking
if I read a long way to go, and that
to me is I'd be worried today. I would be empowered.
If I'm Aaron Rodgers, I would be worried as a
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packer fanner. Am I over reading the room there? Oh?
I think When I listened to that and he says
Jordan Love has a long way to go, they're realizing
the severity of Aaron rodgers leverage in his angle that
he's coming from. And so it's like, Okay, we're gonna
say this guy has a long way to go. I
believe he still has a ways to go, but how long?
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None of us know they're in that locker room. They
see him on the playing field every single day, in practice,
in the meeting rooms, so they know that timetable round about.
But for me, when I hear that, that's a general
manager who understands where his footing is and he has
none right now when it comes to his starting quarterback,
the MVP of the National Football League, who wants out
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of that current situation because of a decision you ultimately made.
So let's make sure Aaron knows. Look, we're even we're
letting everyone know he has a long way to go.
We need you back here, we want you back here,
even if it is for just one year. They understand
the importance of messaging, and so I think that was
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all a part of the messaging to make sure that
Aaron Rodgers catch that and understands we're not moving to
him right now. You are our guy in this very moment. However,
I think it might be too late. Yeah. By the way,
I had Davanta Adams on yesterday and I you know,
I just asked him point blank. I said, if Aaron left,
why would you stay? Well, you're Davante Adams, Like I mean,
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there's a reason Stefon Diggs wanted to go play with
Josh Allen. He was all into that. When you were
with Green Bay. It's understood. It's different. They don't have
an owner, they're pretty frugal. It's not attractive to free agents.
Just take me back to the power of Farvin Rodgers
and getting free agents when when you guys would have
I mean, because mostly the Packers have always been built
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through the draft. But I think if Aaron leaves, the
Bulls have never recovered from Michael leaving. And that's a
beautiful city, that's very attractive a franchise with tons of money.
I think you could you could go sideways fast. I
mean when you were there, how much did farvn Rodgers
elevate free agents even considering Green Bay. Well, that's the attraction.
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That's like the icing on the cake. That's kind of
that cherry on top. When you have that that as
in your back pocket and you're able to throw that
out there on the deck, on the playing table and say, look,
we will always have a chance because of Aaron Rodgers.
We will always have a chance because of Brett far Well,
if you have that playing card removed, now you are
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you are out of the question when it comes to
trying to recruit and bring in talent that wants to
win a Super Bowl, that is veteran, that is right now,
give us get it done. That's what Aaron Rodgers, That's
what all these Patrick Mahomes and think about this the
Cincinnati Bengals with acquiring Joe Burrow as their pick last season,
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They're going to attract so many guys now because we
all see the potential in Joe Burrow. He has nowhere
near Aaron's level as far as his resume, but we
see something there and that's going to attract you when
you have a piece at that position that is so
very important and valuable that that can be the determining
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factor whether a free agent comes or he goes and
turns around and goes the other way. Yeah, you know
it's I gotta circle back to te Bow. I don't
want to be a bad guy because I was harsh
on him the first time. I'm like, this doesn't work.
It is crazy. Like I mean, let's be honest, if
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you were in Jacksonville's locker room, there's already a tiny, tiny,
tiny bit of skepticism about college coach in the locker room,
a little bit. You don't want to admit it, but
they're a little bit. I just feel like that tripled, right,
Like you would you would have a conversation at lunch
with a guy saying that'd be a little there'd be
a lot of whispers, right, and the law and would
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be here. Here's the problem. It's not gonna only be
a lot of whispers in that locker room and within
that organization, They're gonna be a lot of chatter. There's
gonna be tons of chatter across the league because when
you allow a guy, and I don't want to say allow,
when you afford an opportunity like this to a guy
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like Tim Tebow, and I remember I heard Shannon say
this on Undisputed a while back. He's been one of
those guys that's been always trying to stay in that line,
like continuing to pursue his dreams, his goals, his aspirations,
all these bucket list things, and for this to be
one of them, it just seems disrespectful for the guys
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who are qualified and who have played that position for
so long and who have worked their tails off to
try to earn a roster spot, and you don't even
consider them. You go to a guy who not put
his hand in the dirt, who you have not seen
play at this level at that position, and you just
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give him that opportunity. That is what the chatter is
going to be about, and it can cause rifts not
only within that locker room. But across the league when
you talk about other players who we know, Colin Kaepernick
is out there and he hasn't been afforded an opportunity
that many people think he should be afforded. Yeah, it
is interesting. It's almost like a blind spot for Tim Tebow.
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He just doesn't understand that he's a great college player.
But in professional circles, Major League Baseball players rolled their
eyes at him, and NFL guys at the end rolled
their eyes at him. They did. I'm just being honest.
They he went to New England, they couldn't get him
on the field. He went to New York, they couldn't
get him on the field. Uh. Joy said it. Players talk,
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Players know immediately who can play and who cannot play,
and this is one of those guys. There's there's likability there.
I get it. There's a relationship there between he and
Urban Meyer. But as far as playing football in the
on that level, the National Football League level, Tim Tebow
has just not cut it. He's just not cut it. Yeah,
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good stuff, Greg and uh Greg Jennings, Fox Sports NFL analysts,
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I was not a huge Tebow fan as a player,
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but Tim, I should give him credit here. Tim taught
me something and Trump was no fan of Trump. Trump
taught me something and that you can tell people stuff
all day, but if you make people feel something, then
you move them. Tim Tebow was the first athlete I
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ever covered where I could give people data and it
didn't matter because the data for Tebow was bad and
it ruined the story. It was telling you that Santa
Claus wasn't real. Tebow was wholesome and he believed in God,
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and you believe in God, and he's wholesome, and he's
nice and he's sweet, and he's optimistic and he's not perfect.
It was like the Truman Show. It was impossible not
to root for Jim Carrey surrounded by all those people
manipulating his life. Tebow made people feel something, feel wholesome,
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feel good about football, feel good about America. That you
can be You can be nice and hopeful and sweet
and a little corny, and you can win in the NFL.
I could give people data. He was the first athlete
I ever covered. It didn't matter. It just didn't matter.
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Trump it didn't matter. You could give people data. Trump
made people feel something. And Tebow's career passer rating is
seventy five. That's bad, but in the first three quarters
it's actually sixty nine, the worst ever. And then teams
would go into a prevent defense because they led, and
he would boost it. His completion percentage was forty seven.
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That's awful, but it was worse. It was forty four
in the first three quarters, and then teams would give
him as they led, easy completions moved it up to
forty seven point nine. His yards per attempt with good
receivers in Denver was five point nine. That would have
been dead last. It didn't matter. Every time I give
you those stats, it didn't matter, because those stats don't
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make you feel anything. Tim did by the way, he's
Taysom Hill. He's just Taysom Hill. No, Taysom Hill ran
and runs a four four forty. He could play corner
in the NFL. Taysom Hill is one of the ten
best athletes in the league. Tim Tebow runs a four
to seven one. That's slow for a tight end. Last year,
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Taysom Hill had a ninety nine passer rating and a
seventy three percent completion percentage. And I don't think he's
good enough to be a franchise quarterback. But Taysom Hill
doesn't make you feel a certain way Trump. Whenever the
answers are hard, people move toward simplicity because most people
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don't want to read the story. They want to read
the headline. So they go to their Reddit or Facebook
or Twitter. Takes one minute and they get the simple answer.
My cousin Joe said that Tebow is the no, that
that's not what the truth is. And it's really hard
these days. Truth, fact, fiction all gets blurred in the
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information tunnel because there's just a lot of social media now.
And your cousin says this, and that guy who on
Newsmax tells me this, and it's hard I'm not saying
it's easy. There's just you can't separate fact from fiction.
It's hard to delineate the two. But I learned something
from Tebow is that popular Trump's data. If a politician
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makes you feel a certain way, he wins. Obama was
about hope. Trump was about change. Joe Biden, by the way,
sleepy Joe Biden. Let's be honest. You didn't agree with
all his policies. He's a little too old to be running,
but he kind of made a lot of people feel
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He'll just bring the anxiety down. Just he won't use
Twitter as a weapon. He'll just bring it. You didn't
have to agree with his policies. That's why arguing about
it is silly. Tebow really was the first athlete I
ever covered that data didn't matter, and I like data.
I build all my arguments off data. So I'm not
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going to try to convince you how to feel about
Tebow because I know how he makes a lot of
you feel, and I stand no chance against that force field.
One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day,
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to listen live or on demand whenever you like. Justin
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Jefferson is putting the worry in NFL defensive backs and defenses.
He had the most receiving yards in the history of
the NFL for a rookie in a league with seemingly
an endless stream of receivers. He was an All Pro
as a rookie. And and he went to LSU. All
those guys are good. Swear to god. You play at
Baton Rouge, you come to the NFL, and it's just
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you're fine. Day one, he joins us live. Justin Jefferson
Vikings twelve ball wide receiver. By the way, Justin Jamar Chase.
And this tells you how much talent LSU had. They
got Jamar Chase on one side and just us and
Jefferson on the other side. So tell me a little
about Jamar Chase. If I'd never seen him play, and
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you were explaining to me what Jamar Chase is like.
And Joe Burrow now has Jamar Chase, What is he like?
What was he like to be a teammate of He
was phenomenal to have a teammate. We are both competitive,
and you know, we love to compete. So every practice,
every game, we just try to outdo one another. And um,
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I mean it was it was great to have him
as a teammate in to play on alongside of him.
And terrorist, is he a little bit bigger than you smaller?
How are your games the same? How are they different? Um?
They're little different. I'm more of the like little, twitchiest, fast, Um.
You know, I have good routes. He has good routes also,
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But he's more of the physical, vertical threat type of receiver.
But I mean he's versatile just like me. He can
go inside and outside. You know, when you get to
the NFL and we just had the NFL draft and
it was a good receiver draft, and you popped immediately.
But let me ask you, if you were gonna go
back and tell all these receivers that just got drafted,
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if you were going to give the one thing and say, Okay,
here's the one thing I'm gonna tell you the difference
between college in the NFL. What what justin would that
one thing be? Um? The one thing I have to
say is just well, I played in the SEC, so, um,
you know we played a guys like Alabama, Georgia, all
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of these big time teams that have you know some
tremendous players on them, so every week the competition is
not that different from the NFL. The only thing that
would be different is just the players are smarter. They've
been in the league, um, you know, eight years or
having many they have been. Uh, so they study the game,
they know, they know the different types of movements where
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you're going to be on the field. So they're a
little bit more smarter than in college. That's the only
thing that's really different from the SEC. Yeah, you're dealing
with men. Look at a video all day. That's that's
the reality. Have it totally get that? When did you
know as a Viking? Was it the first practice? Because
listen and great college players sometimes don't work in the NFL.
When did you know when you and Kirk Cousins were
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together and you thought yourself, it's gonna be good. I'm
gonna have a good but I can play in the NFL.
It's gonna be good. I'll have to say, after that
first start against Tennessee when I had my first touchdown
one hundred and seventy five yards seven catches, I feel
like after that week, I felt like it was gonna
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be a good connection between me and him, and then
from there on we just started getting better and better.
We started working with each other more. And I mean
they showed on the field by having fourteen hundred yards.
So now you have had Joe Burrow and you have
had Kirk Cousins and take your time here now compare them.
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Where are they similar? Where are they not similar? Um? Similar?
Kirk and Joe throws similar balls. Uh. They're not the
strongest arm, but they're gonna get it to you exactly
where you need it. You need them to throw it,
you know. Um. But the thing about Joe that's a
little bit different Joe. UM. I feel like Joe had
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that a little bit more swagger, you know. Um, he
has that confidence on the field and UM, I mean
he's not scared to get hit. And I feel like
as a quarterback, UM, that's that's a big trait to have, Um,
especially to to be as young as he is. And UM,
you know he's a phenomenal quarterback. So were you surprised
(36:28):
to hear the Vikings were interested in justin field? So
that surprised you at all? The quarterbacks from Ohio State? Um? No, UM,
you know we have to build on um, you know,
for after Kirk or whatever, um the case may be.
But having Justin Fields brings a little bit more uh
pressure to other teams by having, you know, a dominant
(36:50):
quarterback like he is. So my son for years played
Fortnite and I mean he lived in front of a computer.
You are kind of legendary for your dancing, which is
now featured on Fortnight. So let's just talk about let's
get let's dive deep into this, Okay. So my theory is,
(37:11):
guys who can dance. It's natural you You could dance.
When you were seven, you could dance. Somebody in your family.
Was your mama dancer? Was your dad a dancer? Um,
my dad was a little bit of a dancer. But
I mean growing up, me and my brothers always used
to just dance the music. Um, And I mean it's
(37:33):
just that New Orleans culture, that Louisiana's culture, uh that
you know, we like to we like to give a
little one two. Well, you're you're a great player, and
Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson many But I talked to
an NFL scout about a month ago and he said,
you're gonna have the two best receivers in the NFL,
both from LSU. He goes, you're not gonna believe how
(37:55):
good Justin Jefferson is. And then he was great. And
now we all of a sudden we're gonna have Jamar
by the way, you're working with Optimum Nutrition, You're building
better Lives program. Give me, give me your heads up
on what that is. Um really just building well, um,
what we had worked on. We're just going back to
my community, bringing some fitness and bringing some light to
(38:17):
my hometown. And just like you said, we're building better
lives and just trying to stay fit. Just all of
these different protein and energy drinks that they have is
wonderful and I'm definitely excited and proud to be working
with them. Justin Jefferson, they all pro as a rookie,
the endless stream of great LSU football players in the
(38:40):
National Football League. Good luck to you. Can't wait to
watch a play We had Davante Adams on yesterday, Justin
Jefferson today. Listen, if you're not at all pro, we
don't even want you on the show anymore. That's our
new standard. Good seeing Justin, good luck, Thank you, appreciated.
Thanks for listening to the Best of Herd podcast. Be
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live in beautiful Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you
may be, however you may be listening Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio and FS one. Joy Taylor returns today. So fitting
that Joy is back her brother, of course, the Hall
of Fame football player, Joy understands what NFL locker rooms
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are all about. Your brother, of course, played for Nick Saban,
best college coach ever, who did not work in the
NFL for a variety of reasons. He didn't quite get
the sensibility, the temperature of the room in an NFL
locker room, right, that fair, It's two different businesses and
two different sports. We often pushed them together and they've
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gotten much closer over the years. But yeah, it's a
big difference coaching young men and adults with mortgages and
children of their own, and that often make more than you.
The coach, yes, and have a union, a players union.
And so there's a television show out there. I just
started binge washing. It's quite adorable. That's a keyword here.
It's optimistic. It's corny, but it's hopeful. It's called ted Lasso.
(01:38):
It's really quite good as a TV show where a
small Southern football coach Division two school wins and I mean,
it is beyond corny, but you suspend belief because you
know it's not true. And the character is so infinitely
likable that he gets hired by a devious owner of
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an English Premier League team. She's a great actress to
coach an English Premier League team, and he's never watched
a soccer game. Again, it's not realistic, but it works
as a TV show. It doesn't work in real life.
Urban Meyer thinks ted Lasso, and maybe that's because he's
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watching the show and he likes it like me. He
thinks he's going to bring a tight end that hasn't
played for eight years. Oh my bad. Tim Tebow's never
played tight end. He's a quarterback and I'm gonna do
a Ted Lasso impression here. If you think Tim Tebow
tight end to Jacksonville works, you think Ted Lasso would
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walk into that locker room. Well, boys, boys, we gotta
we gotta guys. Been out of the league eight years,
maybe nine out lost camp. He used to be a quarterback.
It wasn't very good at that. He's a tight end.
He'd never done that, and he's gonna set the culture
in here. He's gonna show us boys how to win.
Oh God, it's cringey. Tim Tebow is now at six two.
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There are no tight ends. At six two, six four
is considered small at tight end is going to put
his hand in the dirt and going to block a
young man who is a pass rusher that weighs twenty
five pounds more and wants to put food on his
table because he's got a new baby girl and he's
been cut by two NFL teams, and he wants to
kick Tebow's ass because he doesn't buy his nonsense anyway,
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because that defensive end would never have gotten a shot
at baseball. He would never have been drafted in the
first round, and he's putting food on the table for
his baby daughter. And you think Tim Tebow's gonna put
a hand in the dirt and block him. All that
is so cute. This is awful. It's so collegiate, folks.
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Rudy is a true story about a walk on in college.
Hoosiers is about Indiana high school basketball. This is the NFL.
People wonder if Kyle Pitts, the new prototype at tied End,
can block. He's six five and runs a four four,
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and they will demand he blocks Tim six two. He
ran a four seven forty eight nine years ago. He's
never been as athletic as everybody hopes. And he's a
good person, and he's corny and optimistic and hopeful. He
is Ted Lasso. And I liked Tim, and I've met
his brother, bumped into him on vacation. I've said before
I'd put Tim somewhere on a roster, maybe like seven
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years ago. But this isn't gonna sell. We know Urban.
I liked Urban, I know Urban. I've known Urban forever.
I've been saying nice things about Urban. Today's not one
of those days. Okay, we all know Urban is smart
and can coach good broadcaster. Two. The question was always
does he understand the senseability of the locker room, Saban
really didn't, and Saban and sharp and Urban sharp. But
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when Urban tried to muscle through a strength coach from
Iowa who had just been fired for abusive behavior to
athletes and some racially insensitive stuff as a little bit
of red flags like Urban that that I'm not gonna
work here, and that lasted about a day. It's like,
you can't treat NFL players like that. They'll deck him. Okay,
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you can't sell Tim Tebow out of the league eight
years as a tight end. Now, maybe he's trying to
get invested, get his pension or something like that. I mean,
maybe that's it. But even then, you're taking somebody else's job.
A head coach told me, called me this morning. He's
does does Tebo understand what it's like the block a
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defensive end? Yeah? Does he own a mouthpiece? Come on again, Hoosiers,
Rudy Ted Lasso. I loved all of them. I loved
all of them, but their TV shows or their movies
and the red then you allow Ted Lasso to work.
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I mean, by the way, this shows you how unrealistic
it is. It's shot in London. They say the first
three episodes. It never rains, it's sunny every day. Well
that tells you right there. It's not made in England,
or they picked the two days of the year it
doesn't rain in England, or is not cloudy. But you
suspend belief because you liked the story and it's hopeful,
and so is so is Tebow. That's why everybody fell
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in love with Tebow. We knew we couldn't throw. He
wasn't that athletic, but he was an easy guy to
root for. Right in America, everything so negative and cynical,
and Tebow was like Ted Lasso. He was so optimistic
and so hopeful and chasing his dream. He was impossible
for a lot of people not to root for. He
put his religion out there. He was just the It
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was like, you know, players said, he's the guy you
want your daughter to marry. So nice, but it didn't
work at quarterback and a baseball where he was a
great high school player with both and a great college
are in football, folks, sometimes I think it borders on disrespectful,
I really do. I think you're gonna try to take
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food off the table from defensive ends. Somebody's losing a
roster spot because of this man. It feels like an
eye roll to me. And I don't want to be
negative here. I'm mister you know, Uncle Colin is mister
positivity glass half full. But boy, this just doesn't feel right.
This feels like the strength coach with a nicer guy.
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It feels like a complete eye roll by NFL people
when I have coaches calling me this morning and going
to hell. Sorry using that word in a t boat ramp,
but I mean, it's just it's not gonna work, all right,
So all right. I remember when the late Kobe Bryant
scored sixty points in his last game and he set
(07:53):
a record for the most shots ever taken in the game.
And I worked with somebody at the time and he
hated it. That's not how you ended, and I argued, no,
that's that's exactly how it should end for Kobe Bryant.
Kobe Bryant was authentic to himself. Kobe Bryant. Laker fans
would tell you he often shot too much, but Kobe
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Bryant setting an NBA record on his last game shooting
the most shots ever and dropping sixty was perfect. Kobe
was a performer, an entertainer, closest thing we've seen to Jordan,
and it worked for me. I thought that's authentic, that
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that's who Kobe. Had Kobe come out and set a
record for assists, he'd be like, that's not who Kobe is.
Russell Westbrook did something last night. Now I didn't try
to do it like Kobe, but it was a perfect,
perfect night. That symbolizes Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook is insanely athletic,
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top five athlete league history, wildly fun, polarizing, and last
night he set the all time NBA record for triple doubles.
And at the end of the game, with plenty of time,
he took a three pointer and missed. It was not
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great judgment. He had time to drive and draw a foul.
He's good at that, and he missed a three pointer.
Of course he did. Here's the end of the game.
It's so fitting. The Wizards are gonna go with it.
Here comes Westbrook. Four seconds Westbrook puts up the three,
no good, and Atlanta's gonna win it by one. It's tough,
right there, got a clean look off. Russell Westbrook came
(09:46):
up Shore on a night when he makes history. He
keeps that ball. But the Wizards in a one point game. Again,
of course he kept the ball. He once said, it's
his best friend. That's how he should set the record.
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And this is not a criticism of him. When Jameis
Winston his last pass as a buccaneer was a pick six,
you're like, oh, that's kind of what it should be.
Russell Westbrook gave you both facets of his game last night.
His utter brilliance, his unmistakable athletic ability, his brilliant talent
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carved through years of focus and determination. You got that.
And he missed a three pointer badly when he should
have driven, gotten fouled and headed to the line. You
get that. He's won seven playoff games since he and
KD got a divorce, and that's with James Harden and
Paul George to two different stops. He is one of
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the most unique players ever. People say Iverson, I think
he's more athletic than Iverson. I think he's stronger than
i Verson. I think he's more vertical than Iverson. He
may not be fast. I'm not sure anybody's ever been
as fast as Iverson. But you got a little of
both yesterday. In fact, you got a lot of both
can't really shoot judgment. Sometimes we don't love. But he
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now holds an NBA record one that means a lot
to him, not much to most. I'm not really a
trouble double guy, but it means a lot to Westbrook
Pole most basketball fans it doesn't mean a lot to them,
but that too, has always been Westbrook. He's a little different,
he's contrarian, he's unique, and now fittingly, he's a record holder.
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FS one and the iHeart Radio app. So Davante Adams
was on our show yesterday. Thank god the NFL network
credited us with the actual interview. Somebody didn't. Nonetheless, I
am not bitter. I do not hold grudges. Davante was great,
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great to have him. I'd love to have him on again.
So we talked about I asked him some questions about
what if Aaron leaves, what are you doing? You're a
free agent in the year, and DeVante Adams said this.
When I first got it, Um I was I was
actually on the golf course. I'm trying to enjoy myself
a couple of Bruskies out there, so it's a it's
a good day, um, and then I hear that and
it kind of sways it. Obviously, I don't really know
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what the thing. Hadn't really spoke to him, so, UM,
you know, it wasn't the best news to receive while
I'm out there trying to have a good time. But
you know, it scared me a little bit. If Aaron
moved on. You have such an incredible working relationship with him,
what it a fact your future in Green Bay? Potentially? Potentially?
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I mean that's my guy. That's the only guy that
I've had, Um, you know, other than that um twenty
seventeen season when he got hurts, it's the only guy
that I played with him. Um. You know, we built
up a special connection over the years that has made it,
you know, put us both in really good positions in
our career. It would change a lot, man. You know,
doesn't mean potentially I'd be gone, but um, you know,
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I definitely have to do some extra thinking if if
MC guy wasn't here, Yeah, you don't want to lose him.
He may be the best receiver in the league. In
the last dance, the Michael Jordan documentary. It was really
a cautionary tale on don't tick off your superstar. As
Joy has said often, not many him around, take care
of him. General manager Jerry Krause of the Bulls didn't
(13:20):
want Phil Jackson back, but that didn't mean he lost
just Phil Jackson because Michael said, I will not play
without Phil Jackson. So you'll lose the best coach and
the best player. And then Scottie Pippen, Rodman, Steve Kerr
Bolt and now your best player is Tony kukocha finesse
European who won best sixth man in the league. That's
(13:42):
your franchise player. You lose Aaron Rodgers number one, your
Jordan love pick is going to be exposed. Gonna be
a bad day for Brian Gudenkoon's the gym. I'm gonna
lose the locker room. You canna lose Davante Adams. By
the way, You've never been a place that can get
free agents anyway. Yeah, you're done. Get nos. You struggle
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to get him with far of an Aaron Rodgers, folks,
the Chicago Bulls have never recovered. And that's a wealthy
franchise with an owner willing to pull the trigger on
big moves. And by the way, it's a very attractive city.
I'm going there this weekend. They've never won more than
fifty games one time twenty three years. That's it. The
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Chicago Bulls have never recovered Green Bay. Do you understand
how the dominoes work. I've worked in corporate America for
god ever, let's start with that ever. And you know,
I've had a pleasant experience every place I've been. But
I'll tell you something almost as a rule, executives sometimes
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don't see around corners, and you think one move stands
on its own, And it is incredible in my career
doing this, how often one move becomes two, becomes three,
becomes four. You lose Aaron Rodgers. You better have a
backup plan. You better be trading with somebody with a
quarterback minimum Derek Carr, because you bring Teddy Bridgewater in.
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Nice guy, but they don't play the same. So there
there are. You lose a Jordan, you lose an Aaron Rodgers.
There is such a waterfall effect of just people moving
on agents like don't play. Why would an agent want
one of his receivers to go to Green Bay? Your
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catches are gonna go down. That's what I always said
about that, the Tim Tebow fascination. That was always like
wide receivers are never gonna want to play in Denver.
They had de Marius Thomas and Eric Decker, their numbers plummeted,
Tebow's gone, Peyton Manning comes in. Now they're all pros.
Now they're getting I mean, the bottom line is you
lose Aaron and Jordan loves stinks if he does. And
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by the way, their GM said this path, you know
a week, he's a long way off what free agent
wants their career to end in the smallest city. So
it is Davante Adams, You're not gonna You're not gonna
get another Dvante Adams. Like he's a he's a he's
a Hall of Famer. He's maybe the best red zone
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receiver in the NFL. Like there's not a lot of
him on the conveyor belt like those Jason Taylor's. Davante
Adams just don't Khalil max. You don't get a lot
of chance. Khalil Mack is a once in a decade
rush end. Giants have never gotten to Lawrence Taylor. Bulls
have never gotten anything close to Michael Jordan, Zach Levine,
that's Michael Jordan. That's about as close as they've had.
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best or Nothing. Okay, I want to start with Tebow
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before I get into the packers. So I just said this.
Have you seen the show Ted Lasso yet? I have not. Okay,
it's corny and it's hopeful and it's optimistic, but it's
a TV show and it's actually funny. It's totally unrealistic.
A Division two college football coach wins, and he gets
hired to coach an English Premier League soccer team and
(17:45):
he's never watched soccer again. It's totally unrealistic, but it
works as a TV show, right. It works because he's
a likable character. The writing's very funny. Tim Tebow to
the NFL feels like that it's overly optimistic and hopeful,
the fat that he's gonna put his hand in the
dirt and try to block defensive end eight years out
of the league. I wonder if if that locker room
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in Jacksonville saying come on, bro really like, I don't know,
it's greg. It just I don't It feels very hokey
and collegiate to me. Do you think the locker room
buys into it? You know, that's the question. I'm not
certain they have a young locker room, and so that's
what gives me hope. If they were more of a
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veteran locker room, then I think this would not work
even even speaking about it, because you got to think
about what this looks like. For so many players, they
work their tails off each and every year to make
a roster, and then you see a guy who comes
in who has been out of football for the length
in the duration of time that Tim Tebow has been
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out of not coming back to play the position that
he was once in the league for playing playing another position,
and he's on the roster like he's there with an opportunity,
and it's so hard for these young men to even
get an opportunity. Yeah, it would. It wouldn't come across
great for a lot of veteran guys. And so when
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you're thinking about young guys, they have to kind of
embrace it because it is what it is. They don't
know any better. Yeah, I mean again, Rudy worked because
it was a blowout game. It's one play. It's college.
There's all sorts of walk ons in college. It's kind
of a fun story. This feels like walk ons in
the NFL. And remember, you're taking somebody's roster spot. So
(19:34):
I just correct. I think there's you're gonna get a
lot of whispers in that locker room, like, dude, you
couldn't play baseball either. Let's go to this. So the
GM Brian Gudenkouns had a quote that I Joy just
talked about. I hadn't seen this quote. Apparently he made
it last week when he said Jordan Love has quote
a long way to go unquote, And I'm thinking, Okay, dude,
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you have thirty three thirty two college stars. I know
there wasn't a free season, but justin Herbert walked on,
he didn't get much of a preseason either. I'm thinking
if I read a long way to go, and that
to me is I'd be worried today. I would be empowered.
If I'm Aaron Rodgers, I would be worried as a
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packer fanner. Am I over reading the room there? Oh?
I think When I listened to that and he says
Jordan Love has a long way to go, they're realizing
the severity of Aaron rodgers leverage in his angle that
he's coming from. And so it's like, Okay, we're gonna
say this guy has a long way to go. I
believe he still has a ways to go, but how long?
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None of us know they're in that locker room. They
see him on the playing field every single day, in practice,
in the meeting rooms, so they know that timetable round about.
But for me, when I hear that, that's a general
manager who understands where his footing is and he has
none right now when it comes to his starting quarterback,
the MVP of the National Football League, who wants out
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of that current situation because of a decision you ultimately made.
So let's make sure Aaron knows. Look, we're even we're
letting everyone know he has a long way to go.
We need you back here, we want you back here,
even if it is for just one year. They understand
the importance of messaging, and so I think that was
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all a part of the messaging to make sure that
Aaron Rodgers catch that and understands we're not moving to
him right now. You are our guy in this very moment. However,
I think it might be too late. Yeah. By the way,
I had Davanta Adams on yesterday and I you know,
I just asked him point blank. I said, if Aaron left,
why would you stay? Well, you're Davante Adams, Like I mean,
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there's a reason Stefon Diggs wanted to go play with
Josh Allen. He was all into that. When you were
with Green Bay. It's understood. It's different. They don't have
an owner, they're pretty frugal. It's not attractive to free agents.
Just take me back to the power of Farvin Rodgers
and getting free agents when when you guys would have
I mean, because mostly the Packers have always been built
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through the draft. But I think if Aaron leaves, the
Bulls have never recovered from Michael leaving. And that's a
beautiful city, that's very attractive a franchise with tons of money.
I think you could you could go sideways fast. I
mean when you were there, how much did farvn Rodgers
elevate free agents even considering Green Bay. Well, that's the attraction.
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That's like the icing on the cake. That's kind of
that cherry on top. When you have that that as
in your back pocket and you're able to throw that
out there on the deck, on the playing table and say, look,
we will always have a chance because of Aaron Rodgers.
We will always have a chance because of Brett far Well,
if you have that playing card removed, now you are
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you are out of the question when it comes to
trying to recruit and bring in talent that wants to
win a Super Bowl, that is veteran, that is right now,
give us get it done. That's what Aaron Rodgers, That's
what all these Patrick Mahomes and think about this the
Cincinnati Bengals with acquiring Joe Burrow as their pick last season,
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They're going to attract so many guys now because we
all see the potential in Joe Burrow. He has nowhere
near Aaron's level as far as his resume, but we
see something there and that's going to attract you when
you have a piece at that position that is so
very important and valuable that that can be the determining
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factor whether a free agent comes or he goes and
turns around and goes the other way. Yeah, you know
it's I gotta circle back to te Bow. I don't
want to be a bad guy because I was harsh
on him the first time. I'm like, this doesn't work.
It is crazy. Like I mean, let's be honest, if
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you were in Jacksonville's locker room, there's already a tiny, tiny,
tiny bit of skepticism about college coach in the locker room,
a little bit. You don't want to admit it, but
they're a little bit. I just feel like that tripled, right,
Like you would you would have a conversation at lunch
with a guy saying that'd be a little there'd be
a lot of whispers, right, and the law and would
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be here. Here's the problem. It's not gonna only be
a lot of whispers in that locker room and within
that organization, They're gonna be a lot of chatter. There's
gonna be tons of chatter across the league because when
you allow a guy, and I don't want to say allow,
when you afford an opportunity like this to a guy
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like Tim Tebow, and I remember I heard Shannon say
this on Undisputed a while back. He's been one of
those guys that's been always trying to stay in that line,
like continuing to pursue his dreams, his goals, his aspirations,
all these bucket list things, and for this to be
one of them, it just seems disrespectful for the guys
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who are qualified and who have played that position for
so long and who have worked their tails off to
try to earn a roster spot, and you don't even
consider them. You go to a guy who not put
his hand in the dirt, who you have not seen
play at this level at that position, and you just
(25:25):
give him that opportunity. That is what the chatter is
going to be about, and it can cause rifts not
only within that locker room. But across the league when
you talk about other players who we know, Colin Kaepernick
is out there and he hasn't been afforded an opportunity
that many people think he should be afforded. Yeah, it
is interesting. It's almost like a blind spot for Tim Tebow.
(25:47):
He just doesn't understand that he's a great college player.
But in professional circles, Major League Baseball players rolled their
eyes at him, and NFL guys at the end rolled
their eyes at him. They did. I'm just being honest.
They he went to New England, they couldn't get him
on the field. He went to New York, they couldn't
get him on the field. Uh. Joy said it. Players talk,
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Players know immediately who can play and who cannot play,
and this is one of those guys. There's there's likability there.
I get it. There's a relationship there between he and
Urban Meyer. But as far as playing football in the
on that level, the National Football League level, Tim Tebow
has just not cut it. He's just not cut it. Yeah,
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good stuff, Greg and uh Greg Jennings, Fox Sports NFL analysts,
Thanks buddy, Absolutely, what's up, everybody. I'm John Middlecoff, I
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(26:57):
Now I talk about on three and Out. Coming up
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we dive much deeper on the draft again, Three and
Out Podcast. Go subscribe. Tim Tebow story was fascinating and
I was not a huge Tebow fan as a player,
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but Tim, I should give him credit here. Tim taught
me something and Trump was no fan of Trump. Trump
taught me something and that you can tell people stuff
all day, but if you make people feel something, then
you move them. Tim Tebow was the first athlete I
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ever covered where I could give people data and it
didn't matter because the data for Tebow was bad and
it ruined the story. It was telling you that Santa
Claus wasn't real. Tebow was wholesome and he believed in God,
(28:02):
and you believe in God, and he's wholesome, and he's
nice and he's sweet, and he's optimistic and he's not perfect.
It was like the Truman Show. It was impossible not
to root for Jim Carrey surrounded by all those people
manipulating his life. Tebow made people feel something, feel wholesome,
(28:25):
feel good about football, feel good about America. That you
can be You can be nice and hopeful and sweet
and a little corny, and you can win in the NFL.
I could give people data. He was the first athlete
I ever covered. It didn't matter. It just didn't matter.
(28:46):
Trump it didn't matter. You could give people data. Trump
made people feel something. And Tebow's career passer rating is
seventy five. That's bad, but in the first three quarters
it's actually sixty nine, the worst ever. And then teams
would go into a prevent defense because they led, and
he would boost it. His completion percentage was forty seven.
(29:08):
That's awful, but it was worse. It was forty four
in the first three quarters, and then teams would give
him as they led, easy completions moved it up to
forty seven point nine. His yards per attempt with good
receivers in Denver was five point nine. That would have
been dead last. It didn't matter. Every time I give
you those stats, it didn't matter, because those stats don't
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make you feel anything. Tim did by the way, he's
Taysom Hill. He's just Taysom Hill. No, Taysom Hill ran
and runs a four four forty. He could play corner
in the NFL. Taysom Hill is one of the ten
best athletes in the league. Tim Tebow runs a four
to seven one. That's slow for a tight end. Last year,
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Taysom Hill had a ninety nine passer rating and a
seventy three percent completion percentage. And I don't think he's
good enough to be a franchise quarterback. But Taysom Hill
doesn't make you feel a certain way Trump. Whenever the
answers are hard, people move toward simplicity because most people
(30:18):
don't want to read the story. They want to read
the headline. So they go to their Reddit or Facebook
or Twitter. Takes one minute and they get the simple answer.
My cousin Joe said that Tebow is the no, that
that's not what the truth is. And it's really hard
these days. Truth, fact, fiction all gets blurred in the
(30:38):
information tunnel because there's just a lot of social media now.
And your cousin says this, and that guy who on
Newsmax tells me this, and it's hard I'm not saying
it's easy. There's just you can't separate fact from fiction.
It's hard to delineate the two. But I learned something
from Tebow is that popular Trump's data. If a politician
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makes you feel a certain way, he wins. Obama was
about hope. Trump was about change. Joe Biden, by the way,
sleepy Joe Biden. Let's be honest. You didn't agree with
all his policies. He's a little too old to be running,
but he kind of made a lot of people feel
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He'll just bring the anxiety down. Just he won't use
Twitter as a weapon. He'll just bring it. You didn't
have to agree with his policies. That's why arguing about
it is silly. Tebow really was the first athlete I
ever covered that data didn't matter, and I like data.
I build all my arguments off data. So I'm not
(31:49):
going to try to convince you how to feel about
Tebow because I know how he makes a lot of
you feel, and I stand no chance against that force field.
One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day,
seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search Herd
to listen live or on demand whenever you like. Justin
(32:11):
Jefferson is putting the worry in NFL defensive backs and defenses.
He had the most receiving yards in the history of
the NFL for a rookie in a league with seemingly
an endless stream of receivers. He was an All Pro
as a rookie. And and he went to LSU. All
those guys are good. Swear to god. You play at
Baton Rouge, you come to the NFL, and it's just
(32:34):
you're fine. Day one, he joins us live. Justin Jefferson
Vikings twelve ball wide receiver. By the way, Justin Jamar Chase.
And this tells you how much talent LSU had. They
got Jamar Chase on one side and just us and
Jefferson on the other side. So tell me a little
about Jamar Chase. If I'd never seen him play, and
(32:54):
you were explaining to me what Jamar Chase is like.
And Joe Burrow now has Jamar Chase, What is he like?
What was he like to be a teammate of He
was phenomenal to have a teammate. We are both competitive,
and you know, we love to compete. So every practice,
every game, we just try to outdo one another. And um,
(33:15):
I mean it was it was great to have him
as a teammate in to play on alongside of him.
And terrorist, is he a little bit bigger than you smaller?
How are your games the same? How are they different? Um?
They're little different. I'm more of the like little, twitchiest, fast, Um.
You know, I have good routes. He has good routes also,
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But he's more of the physical, vertical threat type of receiver.
But I mean he's versatile just like me. He can
go inside and outside. You know, when you get to
the NFL and we just had the NFL draft and
it was a good receiver draft, and you popped immediately.
But let me ask you, if you were gonna go
back and tell all these receivers that just got drafted,
(33:59):
if you were going to give the one thing and say, Okay,
here's the one thing I'm gonna tell you the difference
between college in the NFL. What what justin would that
one thing be? Um? The one thing I have to
say is just well, I played in the SEC, so, um,
you know we played a guys like Alabama, Georgia, all
(34:20):
of these big time teams that have you know some
tremendous players on them, so every week the competition is
not that different from the NFL. The only thing that
would be different is just the players are smarter. They've
been in the league, um, you know, eight years or
having many they have been. Uh, so they study the game,
they know, they know the different types of movements where
(34:44):
you're going to be on the field. So they're a
little bit more smarter than in college. That's the only
thing that's really different from the SEC. Yeah, you're dealing
with men. Look at a video all day. That's that's
the reality. Have it totally get that? When did you
know as a Viking? Was it the first practice? Because
listen and great college players sometimes don't work in the NFL.
When did you know when you and Kirk Cousins were
(35:05):
together and you thought yourself, it's gonna be good. I'm
gonna have a good but I can play in the NFL.
It's gonna be good. I'll have to say, after that
first start against Tennessee when I had my first touchdown
one hundred and seventy five yards seven catches, I feel
like after that week, I felt like it was gonna
(35:25):
be a good connection between me and him, and then
from there on we just started getting better and better.
We started working with each other more. And I mean
they showed on the field by having fourteen hundred yards.
So now you have had Joe Burrow and you have
had Kirk Cousins and take your time here now compare them.
(35:45):
Where are they similar? Where are they not similar? Um? Similar?
Kirk and Joe throws similar balls. Uh. They're not the
strongest arm, but they're gonna get it to you exactly
where you need it. You need them to throw it,
you know. Um. But the thing about Joe that's a
little bit different Joe. UM. I feel like Joe had
(36:08):
that a little bit more swagger, you know. Um, he
has that confidence on the field and UM, I mean
he's not scared to get hit. And I feel like
as a quarterback, UM, that's that's a big trait to have, Um,
especially to to be as young as he is. And UM,
you know he's a phenomenal quarterback. So were you surprised
(36:28):
to hear the Vikings were interested in justin field? So
that surprised you at all? The quarterbacks from Ohio State? Um? No, UM,
you know we have to build on um, you know,
for after Kirk or whatever, um the case may be.
But having Justin Fields brings a little bit more uh
pressure to other teams by having, you know, a dominant
(36:50):
quarterback like he is. So my son for years played
Fortnite and I mean he lived in front of a computer.
You are kind of legendary for your dancing, which is
now featured on Fortnight. So let's just talk about let's
get let's dive deep into this, Okay. So my theory is,
(37:11):
guys who can dance. It's natural you You could dance.
When you were seven, you could dance. Somebody in your family.
Was your mama dancer? Was your dad a dancer? Um,
my dad was a little bit of a dancer. But
I mean growing up, me and my brothers always used
to just dance the music. Um, And I mean it's
(37:33):
just that New Orleans culture, that Louisiana's culture, uh that
you know, we like to we like to give a
little one two. Well, you're you're a great player, and
Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson many But I talked to
an NFL scout about a month ago and he said,
you're gonna have the two best receivers in the NFL,
both from LSU. He goes, you're not gonna believe how
(37:55):
good Justin Jefferson is. And then he was great. And
now we all of a sudden we're gonna have Jamar
by the way, you're working with Optimum Nutrition, You're building
better Lives program. Give me, give me your heads up
on what that is. Um really just building well, um,
what we had worked on. We're just going back to
my community, bringing some fitness and bringing some light to
(38:17):
my hometown. And just like you said, we're building better
lives and just trying to stay fit. Just all of
these different protein and energy drinks that they have is
wonderful and I'm definitely excited and proud to be working
with them. Justin Jefferson, they all pro as a rookie,
the endless stream of great LSU football players in the
(38:40):
National Football League. Good luck to you. Can't wait to
watch a play We had Davante Adams on yesterday, Justin
Jefferson today. Listen, if you're not at all pro, we
don't even want you on the show anymore. That's our
new standard. Good seeing Justin, good luck, Thank you, appreciated.
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