May 11, 2021 • 40 mins
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Chris Broussart's an NBA talking five minutes. Joy Taylor is
joining me. You know, Joy there, when you do this
long enough instead of always having an opinion. Sometimes and
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we're on a treadmill, we're doing three hours a day,
so it's hard to step back from it. Usually if
I take a vacation or a day off, I just
want I want to step away from sports and the job.
I don't want to really sit in about it all day.
People always ask me, oh, you're off today, who's filling in?
And I always say, I don't know. I'm taking the
day off. It's somebody else's problem. I'm not in the
employment business. Somebody else. I don't know who's filling in
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for me, but I want to talk about this. Tim
Tebow story was fascinating. And I was not a huge
Tebow fan as a player, but Tim, I should give
him credit here. Tim taught me something. And Trump was
no fan of Trump. Trump taught me something and that
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you can tell people stuff all day, but if you
make people feel something, then you move them. Tim Tebow
was the first athlete I ever covered where I could
give people data and it didn't matter because the data
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for Tebow was bad and it ruined. The story was
telling you that Santa Claus wasn't real. Tebow was wholesome
and he believed in God, and you believe in God,
and he's wholesome, and he's nice, and he's sweet, and
he's optimistic and he's not perfect. It was like the
Truman Show. It was impossible not to root for Jim
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Carrey surrounded by all those people manipulating his life. Tebo
made people feel something, feel wholesome, feel good about football,
feel good about America, that you can be You can
be nice and hopeful and sweet and a little corny
and you can win in the NFL. I could give
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people data. He was the first athlete I ever covered.
It didn't matter. It just didn't matter. Trump it didn't matter.
You could give people data. Trump made people feel something.
And Tebow's career passer rating is seventy five. That's bad,
but in the first three quarters at actually sixty nine,
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the worst ever. And then teams would go into a
prevent defense because they led, and he would boost it.
His completion percentage was forty seven. That's awful, but it
was worse. It was forty four in the first three quarters,
and then teams would give him as they led, easy
completions moved it up to forty seven point nine. His
yards per attempt with good receivers in Denver was five
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point nine. That would have been dead last. It didn't matter.
Every time I gave you those stats, it didn't matter
because those stats don't make you feel anything. Tim did.
By the way, he's Taysom Hill. He's just Taysom Hill. No,
Taysom Hill ran and runs a four four forty. He
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could play corner in the NFL. Taysom Hill is one
of the ten best athletes in the league. Tim Tebow
runs a four to seven one. That's slow for a
tight end. Last year, Taysom Hill had a ninety nine
passer rating in a seventy three percent completion percentage. And
I don't think he's good enough to be a franchise quarterback.
But Taysom Hill doesn't make you feel a certain way Trump.
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Whenever the answers are hard, people move toward simplicity because
most people don't want to read the story. They want
to read the headline. So they go to their Reddit
or Facebook or Twitter. Takes one minute and they get
the simple answer. My cousin Joe said that Tebow is
the no that that's not what the truth is. And
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it's really hard these days. Truth fact, fiction all gets
blurred in the information tunnel because there's just a lot
of social media now. And your cousin says this, and
that guy who a Newsmax tells me this, and it's hard.
I'm not saying it's easy. There's just you can't separate
fact from fiction. It's hard to delineate the two. But
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I learned something from Tebow is that popular Trump's data.
If a politician makes you feel a certain way, he wins.
Obama was about hope Trump was about change. Joe Biden,
by the way, sleepy Joe Biden, Let's be honest. You
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didn't agree with all his policies. He's a little too
old to be running, but he kind of made a
lot of people feel He'll just bring the anxiety down.
Just he won't use Twitter as a weapon. He'll just
bring it. You didn't have to agree with his policies.
That's why arguing about it is silly. Tebow really was
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the first athlete I ever covered that data didn't matter,
and I like data. I built all my arguments off data.
So I'm not going to try to convince you how
to feel about Tebow because I know how he makes
a lot of you feel. And I stand no chance
against that force field. Chris Brusorry. He always makes me
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feel happy. But boy, are we going to disagree on
a couple of topics today. He is joining us now
as the NBA playoffs get closer. So I did think
not to be not to be a coastly leathist. But
let me just say this about Westbrook. I thought last
night was fitting is that he got a triple double
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and you saw his brilliance, and then he took a
bad shot, missed to three to end the game. And
on the night he set the record, you also got
his reality with a minute left, and I thought, this
is this is perfect that you got everything. You got
the athleticism, you got the record, you got the miss three.
In a weird way. I always said this about Kobe
the last game he ever played, it's the most shots
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ever taken in the game. And I said, Kobe is
being authentic to who he is. He didn't show up
and pass the ball and help the young guys. He's like,
I'm going out. It's a fireworks show. And it's like
last night really was everything that Westbrook is. Is that fair?
It's very fair. I totally agree. I was watching that
game and I just it was a terrible shot. You
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knew he wasn't gonna hit it. He can't shoot threes
in the first place, and they probably should have called time.
Allen tried to run something. But here's the thing, Colin.
Over time, thirty twenty five, thirty forty years from now,
the details will get fuzzy. Okay, you know this, So
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even ten fifteen years from now, we won't remember, or
the newcomers certainly won't remember. Oh Westbrook. You know, he
really didn't know how to play time and score. You know,
he played the last two minutes like it was the
middle of the second quarter. He just played every minute
the same, never adjusted. All that will be lost and
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all people will look at is Wow, this dude averaged
a ripple double for four seasons. That's it. And he
will be a legend. As I said many times when
this show colin, he will be a legend and he
will be an icon. Now I'm gonna say something that's
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gonna throw you off, and let me ask you. Just
let me ask you. This your problem and the problem
that many people have with Westbrook is they don't think
he can win, right, Yeah, I mean he eats his
self awareness. I mean I think that's what makes great
players great. It's not just athletic ability. These guys are
all talented. It's it's an understanding of what you do well,
what you don't do well, elevating others. I think he
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plays in a tunnel and just you know, his his his.
He doesn't have a broad view of the world. It's
sort of this is what I do and I'm gonna
do it and I'm not gonna change it. And I
think that's not really gonna lead you to championships. I
think that's fair. I said last week he's Alan Iverson. Iverson,
we can say the same things about him, right And
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but here's the thing. Everybody who doesn't win the championship
in the NBA was lacking something. They were lacking something,
whether it was Charles Barkley not won to play defense,
maybe not be in this discipline called Malone, had struggles
at times in the clutch. Remember who Michael Jordan stripped
before he hit the big shot. You know, John Stockton
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and Steve Nash, we could they could have used a
little more scoring. You know, if Stockton could have given
him twenty a game instead of fourteen, maybe the Jazz
win the title. Everybody that doesn't win the ring has something.
I wanted to throw these numbers at you. Steve Nash
played eighteen years in the league. He won eleven playoff series,
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four times. He went to the conference finals, never to
the NBA finals. Chris Paul played fifteen years in the league,
has has has won seven playoff series, that's it, and
been the one conference final and never to the finals.
And those two guys, we don't crush them with this
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label of they can't win, they're not winners. Westbrook only
in the league for twelve years, has one eleven playoff series,
has been the four conference finals and one NBA Finals,
so he's actually won more than Nash and Chris Paul.
And I get it, Westbrooks played with great players, but
so did Nash and Chris Paul. Both of them played
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with awesome lineups and didn't win as much as Westbrooks,
winning for different reasons. But my point is everybody that
doesn't win a ring has something that's keeping them from
getting it, and Westbrook's no different. But we just harp
on him not being a winner, and I think it's unfair. Yeah,
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I don't. I think he's earned his reputation. Of those
guys didn't play with k D and Harden in their prime.
But nonetheless, fairness is I've said I'd vote him in
the Hall of Fame, I'd pay to watch him play.
I think he's iconic, I think he's unique. I do
think your argument that all all the guys that don't
ever ring had a flaw totally by that, I mean,
by the way some guys didn't have a bunch of
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John Stockton was kind of a he was physically could pass,
he could hit a jumper. He was a great leader.
He didn't want to tide leader. Sometimes, you know, if
you're Phil Mickelson, there's a guy named Tiger Woods in
the way. Sometimes you don't even have to have a flaw.
It's hard to win championships. So I listen, I to
me Westbrook last night. That kind of defined him. I
got the good, the bad, the ugly, the judgment, and
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it's like, yeah, that's perfect. Now I want to move
to this. So I watched the Knicks and Clippers play Sunday,
and I do think there's a ceiling on the Knicks
as a playoff team. I don't. I think they lack
offensive juice. I think they can come into town outplay
or work hard. But in the playoffs, everybody plays hard
and that advantage goes away. But more troubling is the Clippers.
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They are a bad basketball team. With four minutes to play,
they're They're an NFL roster that's good with no quarterback.
I watched them disintegrate late. They are one of the
four to five worst offensive teams clutch points in the league.
The other four bad teams and I watched them, and
I thought, it's like having a bad bullpen and baseball.
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It's hard to win a World Series when you're leaking
runs in the seven eighth to ninth. I watched them,
and I'm like, they are They're not getting any better
two years they're bad late. Is there a solution of
that for the Clippers. Well, the solution is supposed to
be raised on Rondo, right, and I agree. Watching that
game against the Knicks, it was like, what are they doing?
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It degenerated into just give it to Kauai or give
it to Paul George and watch them go right. And
Rondo was on the floor at points, but he helped
initially and I think he will help in the playoffs.
But that is their achilles heel is what they do
in the last few minutes of game. They want to
put the ball in his hands and have him get
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it to those guys in the right spots. But I
agree it's a concern. But I will say this about him, Colin,
they are the only two if Lebron plays every playoff game,
and he's roughly eighty five to nine or better as
time goes on, and Anthony Davis truly is back to
what he's been the last two games. Then I think
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the only team with a legitimate chance of beating the
Lakers in the West is the Clippers because other, I
mean every other series, the Lakers have by far two
of the three best players on the floor, if not
the two best. Utah doesn't scare your, Phoenix doesn't scare you.
Denver does not scare you, especially without Jamal Murray, and
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the Clippers are the only team with a chance to
beat the Lakers. I picked the Lakers, but the Clippers
would have a shot. But I hear you. I mean
they at the end of games, they are a mess
unless Rondo's really orchestrating. Well, you know, we're getting to
a point now where I hate talking about this MVP stuff.
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I too. I think it's just like the Heisman winner.
I don't care, but I it does look like the
league is acknowledging Chris Paul exists this morning. Where do
you think he'll finish. He won't win it because he's
he doesn't have the numbers. I mean, it's just the
way the league works. But it does feel like the
last three or four weeks people are coming to terms
with Yeah, this is kind of embarrassing he's not in
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the top five. Where do you think Chris Paul finishes
in the MVP voting. I do think he'll be in
the top five. It'll probably be if I had to name,
I'd say four. I'd say four. Yokis we know is
gonna win. He's getting my vote. I haven't looked at
how I'll do my next four, but Yokis will get
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my vote, but Yannis maybe second. We know this is
a year where look, I would have had James Harden,
Joe l MB and probably Lebron all ahead of Yokis
had they not been injured and missed so many games.
So it's an off year. But I agree with you
what the turnaround in Phoenix. And I do have to
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say this, the Sun's not taking anything away from Chris
because he's been the leader that they need and he's
hitting big shots too. But they were eight knowing the bubble.
Oh okay, it was the bubble. I get it from
January on last year they played above five hundred basketball. Yeah,
I remember Dean DeAndre Ayton was out for a big
chunk of last year and so it wasn't light like
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when you It's not as simple as saying they were
horrible last season, didn't make the playoffs. Chris came in
and all of a sudden they're the number two seed.
That's a big part of it, but there are other
factors involved in it as well. Chris Bruce Sorred Fox
Sports NBA analyst. But appreciate you stopping by it today.
Good stuff, all right, Colin Justin Jefferson, Minnesota Vikings best
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young receiver. He's a kid and he is great. Ever
noticed this about LSU guys, They just work in the NFL.
You know, It's funny we always about Alabama. I don't
have the numbers in front of it. Feels like there's
more good LSU guys in the NFL than Bama guys.
There's just something about LSU guys, receivers, corners, pass rushers.
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Can't wait. Brian Flores, co to the Miami Dolphin, says
he has never lost confidence in Tua, So players have
and that's what matters. And if Brian Flores keeps selling
that seven dollars steak, they're gonna lose confidence in him.
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The reality is, it doesn't matter what coaches think. Urban
on Tebow, Brian Ontoa, you can't fool the players. Multiple
players last year on the Dolphins leaked to the Miami Herald.
Dude can't play. Multiple players will lose confidence in a
coach if he keeps trying to sell them that bad
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real estate. It didn't matter what Matt Nagy said about Trubisky.
The Bears players stopped believing in him. Do you notice
the Bears defense last year wasn't as good. Why. It's
not like the schemes were terrible. The players got bad. No,
they stopped playing with the same effort, knowing that if
you trail by ten late in the third quarter, you
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got no chance to win with Trubisky. You know, there's
the old joke, don't don't show me the baby. You know,
don't don't don't don't tell me how it's made, show
me the baby. It's the same with jokes. Don't tell
me the joke is funny. I want to laugh. Stop
trying to convince me how average quarterbacks are good. I'm
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not interested. In fact. The first sign that a quarterback
is special is the coach does the opposite of Brian Flores.
They pump the brakes. Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, the coach
comes out, Hey, slow down, it's only thirteen starts. He's
better than Elway. Whoa. You know when a quarterback's really
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special because the coach pumps the brakes. You media guys
have made him out to me. Elway, Yeah, I watched
Justin Herbert Mahomes. He kind of they kind of looked
like him. When a coach has to say, what my
eyes aren't seeing which, Oh this guy. I have never
lost faith in him. The players have and in the
players will. Ultimately, it's like restaurants, restaurants or truth serum.
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Your food's good, your service is good. You win. You
go to any town in America, you'll find like four
restaurants been around forever, sometimes less, sometimes more. They don't
always have the best location. You can have the best location,
you can have the best marketing. You can have a
beautiful facility, you can be well healed, have big investors
behind you. Foods average, services average, you're out of business.
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I'll never forget to go into a Super Bowl years
ago in Dallas and everybody's I said, oh, Dallas, take
me to a great restaurant. And the person said, oh,
as a Mexican restaurant's about twenty miles out of town.
I swear to guide he couldn't find it on Google Maps.
It was in a neighborhood, it was at night, it
was dark, it was cold, we were all over these neighborhoods.
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I couldn't find it in a million years. It was
way off the freeway way north of Dallas. And I
sat down for two hours, had about my nineteenth margarita
and burrito and said, how long has this place been around?
And they're like, yeah, I think this is the fifties, Like, yeah,
I get it. Food was good, service was great. Boy.
The margar That's the last time I drank a to margaritas.
But let me tell you something. Nothing else mattered. Food,
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good service good. A guy can play when he specially
can play. A coach will tell you to pump the brakes.
You can't keep trying to sell me. Oh, a restaurant's great. No,
the location is, the marketing is, the menu looks great,
the food's not to a small don't have a special arm,
not very athletic. Play has to be perfectly designed to work.
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Come on, man, that's not the league. That was barely
the league in the seventies. Certainly not the league now.
Joy of the news, No, no, turn on the news.
This is the herd line news history. Russell Westbrook broke
history NBA triple double record last night when he grabbed
his tenth rebounds with eight to thirty left in the
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fourth quarter, and the Wizards tweeted out a video with
some of the triple double top five sending their messages
of support. I'm very happy for you, your family is
very proud of you, and I salute you for all
your op smith in the game of basketball. What a feat. Incredible.
You left me a long time ago, but you're gonna
go down as mister triple devil. It's incredible. Feat. Someone
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had to do it, Why not you? Impressive? Though? Where's
Kevin Durant and that Vin? I don't know. I didn't
know was James Harden and that Magic Johnson? Bradley Beale
and Scott Brooks also out of their congrats. Um Atlanta
fans actually started channing Russell in response was former teammates? Look,
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I'm sure a former teammates have also reached out. I
cannot confirmed deny. I don't know exactly if Kevin Durant
said anything. Russell's very very well liked around the league.
He's very well respected, very well liked. He is a
great guy outside of basketball in the community, big time
family guy. You like his game or you don't, and
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and listen. I'm a championship person myself. I'm with you.
I prefer that the biggest stars are constantly contending championship winning.
I do like winning. However, I can also appreciate someone's
career very much at a very high level without championships.
I think a good example of that people we always
point to is Charles Barkley. In football, Dan Marino doesn't
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have an ounce less of respects because he didn't win
a championship. It's I mean, we all know he didn't,
but he's still Dan the man, like you say to
Marino's name, and it's this instant respect. I think that
to Christmas Stard's point, when we step away from Russell
Westbrook's career, when he retires ten twenty years after he retires,
he is going to be remembered for being an incredibly
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dynamic player with an awesome career, and that's what he's had.
Translating what he does to championships for whatever reason, may
not work. Maybe his style of play doesn't work. Maybe
he hasn't been in the perfect situations at the perfect time.
He has had other Hall of famers around him, so
you can't argue against that, but they were also very young.
He doesn't cheat the fans. I mean, the one thing
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I'll say about him is if you pay to watch
Westbrook play, he has never mailed it in. He's not
a load management guy. He's not I'm taking the night
off guy. The one thing I do think there's real
value beyond his talent is, you know, the fans too
often get the short end of the stick on all
this stuff and load management. I just think, I mean,
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I grew up in a small town. So like I
would go to one NBA game year, a Sonics game,
and if Downtown Freddie Brown didn't play, I was heartbroken.
Well that's still what most fans can go to is
one maybe two games a year. So when you go
to a Westbrook game, yeah you are going to get
I don't care if it's a Tuesday night and he's
got the flu. That dude could have COVID. He has
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given you forty two minutes of relentless and total respect
from me on that. Yeah, he nobody plays harder. Remember
the football player, late Kevin Greene, remember him, the pass rusher,
Like when you watched him play. I always thought myself
that dude loves football, Like when you watch Westbrook, he
loves the game. Yeah, he doesn't love what the game
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can do for him. He I mean, he probably likes
that too, But Westbrook loves the game. And I always
respect guys. Some guys just they they can't hide it,
their their passion for playing. I think it was Tony
Gonzalez right that we talked about, and you ask him,
you know, how many guys really actually care about playing football?
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Like how many are really committed or how much? How much.
Is this just a job and it provides obviously some
awesome benefits to playing football. Yeah, and you can sometimes
people are just talented enough to overcome that and it
doesn't matter. And it's not to say like, if you're
a professional athlete you care, like you don't get to
that level without caring. But there's a spectrum for everything,
and there's no denying that Russell Westbrook very much cares
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about the game of basketball. Yeah, so t Vomania has arrived. Now. Look,
I would be very clear about this. I do not
think that this is the right decision at all. But
I am in the anarchy and chaos business, so for us,
it's wonderful u of content. He's very polarizing, so I
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enjoy all of it. I do think it's a big
mistake though, to do this. But NFL Networks in rapp
report reported that the Jags are expected to sign Tim
Tebow to a one year contract. He suspected to be
official next week or so. He's going to be playing
tight end, so obviously he's going to be paired again
with coach Urban Meyer, with whom he won the Heisman
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at Florida. He has not played since it was with
the Jets were showing right now. He started two games
in twenty twelve, and last time he played tight end
was in high school. He started his football career at
the tight end at Trinity Christian Academy High School in Jacksonville.
Like was that like that like freshman year of high
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school or something. It wasn't until he transferred to Niece
High School that it became a quarterback. So I don't
know what year he transferred, but yes, he played. He
started as his high school career, which Tim Tebow's thirty
three years old. I'm thirty four. I graduated in two
thousand and four, which is a lifetime ago. We were
actually going over during the meeting today all the things
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that were going on since the last time that Tim
Tebow was in college, and I was like, guys, I
really don't appreciate this. The iPhone wasn't around when Tebow
was in college. Yes, and I'm here older than him. Listen,
I think it's I think it's an absurd thing to
do for multiple reasons. One, you have to read the
room when you are when you are in a position
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of power and you are a face of an organization,
and the way that urban is at this point right
where you haven't seen Trevor Lawrence. We know that he
will be the face of the organization, but we know
what Urban's career is. You. You're the one making this decision, right,
Trevor Lawrence has nothing to do with us. You have
to read the room like you, not just your locker room,
the environments around the culture, around the country right now,
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the planet, everything that's going on right. You can't just
be giving opportunities to guys because you know them with
absolutely no credentials whatsoever. There to Greg's point earlier, Greg Jennings,
we talked about this. There are guys who have put
in their entire life's work, who are qualified, who are young,
who have been on the field last year, who have
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scraped and claude for an opportunity, and it's like, yeah,
you know, he played for me a million years ago,
which I can say is a thirty four year old
woman a million years ago in high school. I was
awesome in high school too, like that that was a
long time. Yeah, it's I do think of you know,
it's just it's just fraught with problems. It's just there's
so much about it. But you know, I kind of
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look at it like I do wonder if is like
Tebow close to an NFL pension or something. So your
point with that, the NFL has always been in professional
sports has always been it doesn't matter where you're from,
how you grew up, if you were if you were rich,
if you were poor, if you can play, if you
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can play, you will get an opportunity like if you
can actually play. And this just feels like, yeah, it's
still the same old thing as it is everywhere else.
It's an old boys club. If you know somebody, you're good,
and that's that's what it feels like. Fox bet odds
um to score a touchdown plus yes is plus five hundred,
No is minus eight hundred. So you can't you can't
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bet on some things already on Tim Tebow's career in Jacksonville.
So it's long gon to assume that Bill Belichick's successor
was already in the building. But it might not be
who you think. Boston Globe writer Ben Volan suggests that
Matt Patricia might be the one to follow in Belichick's
foot footsteps. They had to choose one person, and they
chose him, and it does seem like they're broadening his
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skill set, and it makes me wonder if they're setting
him up to be the air apparent to Belichick. Josh McDaniels,
he left Belichick wants and then he was gonna leave
a second time until the owner stepped in and paid
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him a lot to be coordinated. Very controversial, completely backing
out on the Colts actually had some people quit their
job and thinking that they were heading over there. Josh
McDaniels is very much Lane Kiffen. Everybody's got an opinion
split right down the middle. Matt Patricia. We questioned competence,
but most people in football like him. He went thirty two,
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twenty nine and one as Alliance head coach. Now granted
it is again, what did he doal I thought he was,
I mean sorry thirteen yeah, twenty nine and one. No,
I mean it was a disaster. It was a disaster
esthetically optically it was a had on backwards first game,
Like got mocked for that, and listen, I don't I
don't want to. I don't want to take any credit
away from how bad Lions organization has been. But that's
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a long time to be bad. Thirteen twenty nine and one,
Like you had more than your runway to turn things
around there and it just never happened. So us oh
wait hun, yeah, I want to be that's it. I
want to keep going. All right, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping the third line Justin Jefferson and superstar
receiver Minnesota Vikings is around the corner. By the way,
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you get your podcasts. It's interesting when I the Packers
GM Brian Couden const you had this earlier. He said,
Jordan Love is quote a long way to go. There's
a difference between not ready and a long way to go.
What's worrying about that is that Jordan Love had thirty
two college starts. That's like three years of starting. They're
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not in the football playoff. If you play three years
of college football and you're a long way to go,
that worries me. Like with all these seven on seven
passing camps, I mean again, a long way to go.
People say, well, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years ago.
That was sixteen years ago. That was sixteen years ago.
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You didn't have this generation. Aaron's from a previous generation.
He's almost he's closer to forty than thirty. He's one
year away from being closer to forty than thirty five.
Aaron did not grow up with all this seven on
seven passing camps. He had to go to junior college.
Aaron didn't have that many snaps by the time he
got to the NFL. He didn't. That's sixteen years ago.
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Bob Barker still hosted The Prices right sixteen years ago,
we didn't have an iPhone sixteen years ago. TBO was
in college sixteen years ago. So boy, that that you know,
the thing is that green Bay Aaron are both kind
of trapped. I mean green Bay if Jordan Love is
a Long Way to Go, they're trapped because this is
gonna Jordan will get totally exposed. But Aaron's trapped. He's
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owned by Green Bay for the next three years. You
could say, well, he can retire, they own his rights.
Where's he gonna go? Now? He can go to Jeopardy.
But when you're as good as Aaron Rodgers, it's something
you don't retire. I mean, if you sing like Cardi
By or Beyonce or something, you don't retire in your thirties.
That's just not the way it works. Like even if
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you retire, you can come back. And I mean Tony
Bennett saying to the end, right, like, that's the way
it works. And I just I retirement doesn't sound right
to me. He's too good at it and he makes
a lot of money doing it. He mostly has fun
doing it. So I mean, the way to solve this
thing is communication. But boy, when I read A Long
Way to Go after thirty two college starts, I mean
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justin Herbert had about thirty five forty college starter I mean,
that's kind of Justin her was told on the sidelines
five minutes before he played the Kansas City Chiefs, go
he was ready. We all watched that game. I think
most of us day we were all like, wow, like,
we don't got a while, We got a whoa long
way to go. That's that's worrisome. Justin Jefferson is putting
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the worry in NFL defensive backs and defenses. He had
the most receiving yards in the history of the NFL
for a rookie in a league with seemingly an endless
stream of receivers. He was an All Pro as a rookie,
and and he went to LSU. All those guys are good.
Swear to god. You play at baton Rouge, you come
to the NFL, and it's just you're fine. Day one,
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he joins us live. Justin Jefferson vikings twelve ball wide receiver.
By the way, Justin Jamar Chase. And this tells you
how much talent LSU had. They got Jamar Chase on
one side and just us and Jefferson on the other side.
So tell me a little about Jamar Chase. If I'd
never seen him play and you were explaining to me
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what Jamar Chase is like. And Joe Burrow now has
Jamar Chase. What is he like? What was he like
to be a teammate of? He was phenomenal to have
a teammate. We are both competitive and you know, we
love to compete, so every practice, every game, we just
try to outdo one another. And U, I mean it
was it was great to have him as a teammate
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in to play on alongside of him and Terris. Is
he a little bit bigger than you? Smaller? How are
your games the same? How are they different? Um? They're
little different. I'm more of the like little twitchiest, fast, Um,
you know, I have good routes. He has good routs also,
But he's more of the physical, vertical threat type of receiver.
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But I mean he's versatile just like me. He can
go inside and outside. You know, when you get to
the NFL and we just had the NFL draft and
it was a good receiver draft and you popped immediately.
But let me ask you, if you were gonna go
back and tell all these receivers that just got drafted,
if you were going to give them one thing and say, Okay,
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here's the one thing I'm gonna tell you the difference
between college in the NFL. What what justin would that
one thing be? Um? The one thing I have to
say is just well, I played in the SEC, so, Um,
you know, we played a guys like Alabama, Georgia, all
of these big time teams that have you know, some
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tremendous players on them. So every week the competition is
not that different from the NFL. The only thing that
would be different is just the players are smarter. They've
been in the league, you know, eight years or having
many they have been. Uh, so they studied the game,
they know, they know the different types of movements where
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you're going to be on the field. So they're a
little bit more smarter than in college. That's the only
thing that's really different from the SEC. Yeah, you're dealing
with men looking at video all day. That's that's the reality.
Have it totally get that? When did you know as
a Viking? Was it the first practice? Because listen, even
great college players sometimes don't work in the NFL. When
did you know when you and Kirk Cousins were together
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and you thought yourself, it's gonna be good. I'm gonna
have a good I can play in the NFL. It's
gonna be good. I'll have to say. After that first
start against Tennessee when I had my first touchdown one
hundred and seventy five yards seven catches out, I feel light.
After that week, I feelt like it was gonna be
a good connection between me and him. And then from
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there on we just started getting better and better. We
started working with each other more. And I mean they
showed on a field by having fourteen hundred yards. So
now you have had Joe Burrow and you have had
Kirk Cousins and take your time here, now compare them.
Where are they similar? Where are they not similar? Similar? Um?
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Kirk and Joe throws similar balls. Uh, they're not the
strongest arm, but they're gonna get it to you exactly
where you need it. You need them to throw it,
you know what I'm um. But the thing about Joe
that's a little bit different Joe. UM, I feel like
Joe had that a little bit more swagger, you know. Um,
he has that confidence on the field and UM, I
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mean he's not scared to get hit. And I feel
like as a quarterback Um, that's that's a big trait
to have, um, especially to to be as young as
he is. And um, you know he's a phenomenal quarterback.
So were you surprised to hear the Vikings were interested
in Justin Field? So that surprised you at all the
quarterbacks from Ohio State? Um? No, Um, you know we
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have to build on um, you know, for after Kirk
or whatever, um the case may be. But having justin
Fields brings a little bit more uh pressure to other
teams by having, you know, a dominant quarterback like he is.
So my son for years played Fortnite and I mean
he lived in front of a computer. You are kind
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of legendary for your dancing, which is now featured on Fortnight.
So let's just talk about let's get let's dive deep
into this, Okay. So my theory is, guys who can dance,
it's natural you You you could dance. When you were seven,
you could dance. Somebody in your family. Was your mama dancer?
Was your dad a dancer? Um, my dad was a
(38:32):
little bit of a dancer. But uh, I mean growing up,
me and my brothers always used to just dance the music. Uh,
And I mean it's just that New Orleans culture, that
Louisiana's culture, uh that you know, we like to we
like to give a little one two. Well, you're you're
a great player, and Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson many
(38:55):
But I talked to an NFL scout about a month
ago and he said, you're gonna have the two best
receiver in the NFL, both from LSU. He goes, you're
not gonna believe how good Justin Jefferson is, and then
he was great, And now all of a sudden, we're
gonna have Jamar Chase. By the way, you're working with
Optimum Nutrition, You're building Better Lives program. Give me, give
me a heads up on what that is really just
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build well what we had worked on. We're just going
back to my community, bringing some fitness and bringing some
light to my hometown. And just like you said, we're
building better lives and just trying to stay fit. Just
all of the different protein and energy drinks that they
have is wonderful and I'm definitely excited and proud to
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be working with them. Justin Jefferson the All Pro as
a rookie, the endless stream of great LSU football players,
in the National Football League. Good luck to you can't
wait to watch a play. We had Davante Adams on yesterday.
Justin Jefferson Today, listen. If you're not at all pro,
we don't even want you on the show anymore. That's
our new standard. A good justin, good luck, thank you, appreciated.
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Chris Broussart's an NBA talking five minutes. Joy Taylor is
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long enough instead of always having an opinion. Sometimes and
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we're on a treadmill, we're doing three hours a day,
so it's hard to step back from it. Usually if
I take a vacation or a day off, I just
want I want to step away from sports and the job.
I don't want to really sit in about it all day.
People always ask me, oh, you're off today, who's filling in?
And I always say, I don't know. I'm taking the
day off. It's somebody else's problem. I'm not in the
employment business. Somebody else. I don't know who's filling in
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for me, but I want to talk about this. Tim
Tebow story was fascinating. And I was not a huge
Tebow fan as a player, but Tim, I should give
him credit here. Tim taught me something. And Trump was
no fan of Trump. Trump taught me something and that
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you can tell people stuff all day, but if you
make people feel something, then you move them. Tim Tebow
was the first athlete I ever covered where I could
give people data and it didn't matter because the data
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for Tebow was bad and it ruined. The story was
telling you that Santa Claus wasn't real. Tebow was wholesome
and he believed in God, and you believe in God,
and he's wholesome, and he's nice, and he's sweet, and
he's optimistic and he's not perfect. It was like the
Truman Show. It was impossible not to root for Jim
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Carrey surrounded by all those people manipulating his life. Tebo
made people feel something, feel wholesome, feel good about football,
feel good about America, that you can be You can
be nice and hopeful and sweet and a little corny
and you can win in the NFL. I could give
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people data. He was the first athlete I ever covered.
It didn't matter. It just didn't matter. Trump it didn't matter.
You could give people data. Trump made people feel something.
And Tebow's career passer rating is seventy five. That's bad,
but in the first three quarters at actually sixty nine,
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the worst ever. And then teams would go into a
prevent defense because they led, and he would boost it.
His completion percentage was forty seven. That's awful, but it
was worse. It was forty four in the first three quarters,
and then teams would give him as they led, easy
completions moved it up to forty seven point nine. His
yards per attempt with good receivers in Denver was five
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point nine. That would have been dead last. It didn't matter.
Every time I gave you those stats, it didn't matter
because those stats don't make you feel anything. Tim did.
By the way, he's Taysom Hill. He's just Taysom Hill. No,
Taysom Hill ran and runs a four four forty. He
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could play corner in the NFL. Taysom Hill is one
of the ten best athletes in the league. Tim Tebow
runs a four to seven one. That's slow for a
tight end. Last year, Taysom Hill had a ninety nine
passer rating in a seventy three percent completion percentage. And
I don't think he's good enough to be a franchise quarterback.
But Taysom Hill doesn't make you feel a certain way Trump.
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Whenever the answers are hard, people move toward simplicity because
most people don't want to read the story. They want
to read the headline. So they go to their Reddit
or Facebook or Twitter. Takes one minute and they get
the simple answer. My cousin Joe said that Tebow is
the no that that's not what the truth is. And
(04:37):
it's really hard these days. Truth fact, fiction all gets
blurred in the information tunnel because there's just a lot
of social media now. And your cousin says this, and
that guy who a Newsmax tells me this, and it's hard.
I'm not saying it's easy. There's just you can't separate
fact from fiction. It's hard to delineate the two. But
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I learned something from Tebow is that popular Trump's data.
If a politician makes you feel a certain way, he wins.
Obama was about hope Trump was about change. Joe Biden,
by the way, sleepy Joe Biden, Let's be honest. You
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didn't agree with all his policies. He's a little too
old to be running, but he kind of made a
lot of people feel He'll just bring the anxiety down.
Just he won't use Twitter as a weapon. He'll just
bring it. You didn't have to agree with his policies.
That's why arguing about it is silly. Tebow really was
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the first athlete I ever covered that data didn't matter,
and I like data. I built all my arguments off data.
So I'm not going to try to convince you how
to feel about Tebow because I know how he makes
a lot of you feel. And I stand no chance
against that force field. Chris Brusorry. He always makes me
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feel happy. But boy, are we going to disagree on
a couple of topics today. He is joining us now
as the NBA playoffs get closer. So I did think
not to be not to be a coastly leathist. But
let me just say this about Westbrook. I thought last
night was fitting is that he got a triple double
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and you saw his brilliance, and then he took a
bad shot, missed to three to end the game. And
on the night he set the record, you also got
his reality with a minute left, and I thought, this
is this is perfect that you got everything. You got
the athleticism, you got the record, you got the miss three.
In a weird way. I always said this about Kobe
the last game he ever played, it's the most shots
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ever taken in the game. And I said, Kobe is
being authentic to who he is. He didn't show up
and pass the ball and help the young guys. He's like,
I'm going out. It's a fireworks show. And it's like
last night really was everything that Westbrook is. Is that fair?
It's very fair. I totally agree. I was watching that
game and I just it was a terrible shot. You
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knew he wasn't gonna hit it. He can't shoot threes
in the first place, and they probably should have called time.
Allen tried to run something. But here's the thing, Colin.
Over time, thirty twenty five, thirty forty years from now,
the details will get fuzzy. Okay, you know this, So
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even ten fifteen years from now, we won't remember, or
the newcomers certainly won't remember. Oh Westbrook. You know, he
really didn't know how to play time and score. You know,
he played the last two minutes like it was the
middle of the second quarter. He just played every minute
the same, never adjusted. All that will be lost and
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all people will look at is Wow, this dude averaged
a ripple double for four seasons. That's it. And he
will be a legend. As I said many times when
this show colin, he will be a legend and he
will be an icon. Now I'm gonna say something that's
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gonna throw you off, and let me ask you. Just
let me ask you. This your problem and the problem
that many people have with Westbrook is they don't think
he can win, right, Yeah, I mean he eats his
self awareness. I mean I think that's what makes great
players great. It's not just athletic ability. These guys are
all talented. It's it's an understanding of what you do well,
what you don't do well, elevating others. I think he
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plays in a tunnel and just you know, his his his.
He doesn't have a broad view of the world. It's
sort of this is what I do and I'm gonna
do it and I'm not gonna change it. And I
think that's not really gonna lead you to championships. I
think that's fair. I said last week he's Alan Iverson. Iverson,
we can say the same things about him, right And
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but here's the thing. Everybody who doesn't win the championship
in the NBA was lacking something. They were lacking something,
whether it was Charles Barkley not won to play defense,
maybe not be in this discipline called Malone, had struggles
at times in the clutch. Remember who Michael Jordan stripped
before he hit the big shot. You know, John Stockton
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and Steve Nash, we could they could have used a
little more scoring. You know, if Stockton could have given
him twenty a game instead of fourteen, maybe the Jazz
win the title. Everybody that doesn't win the ring has something.
I wanted to throw these numbers at you. Steve Nash
played eighteen years in the league. He won eleven playoff series,
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four times. He went to the conference finals, never to
the NBA finals. Chris Paul played fifteen years in the league,
has has has won seven playoff series, that's it, and
been the one conference final and never to the finals.
And those two guys, we don't crush them with this
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label of they can't win, they're not winners. Westbrook only
in the league for twelve years, has one eleven playoff series,
has been the four conference finals and one NBA Finals,
so he's actually won more than Nash and Chris Paul.
And I get it, Westbrooks played with great players, but
so did Nash and Chris Paul. Both of them played
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with awesome lineups and didn't win as much as Westbrooks,
winning for different reasons. But my point is everybody that
doesn't win a ring has something that's keeping them from
getting it, and Westbrook's no different. But we just harp
on him not being a winner, and I think it's unfair. Yeah,
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I don't. I think he's earned his reputation. Of those
guys didn't play with k D and Harden in their prime.
But nonetheless, fairness is I've said I'd vote him in
the Hall of Fame, I'd pay to watch him play.
I think he's iconic, I think he's unique. I do
think your argument that all all the guys that don't
ever ring had a flaw totally by that, I mean,
by the way some guys didn't have a bunch of
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John Stockton was kind of a he was physically could pass,
he could hit a jumper. He was a great leader.
He didn't want to tide leader. Sometimes, you know, if
you're Phil Mickelson, there's a guy named Tiger Woods in
the way. Sometimes you don't even have to have a flaw.
It's hard to win championships. So I listen, I to
me Westbrook last night. That kind of defined him. I
got the good, the bad, the ugly, the judgment, and
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it's like, yeah, that's perfect. Now I want to move
to this. So I watched the Knicks and Clippers play Sunday,
and I do think there's a ceiling on the Knicks
as a playoff team. I don't. I think they lack
offensive juice. I think they can come into town outplay
or work hard. But in the playoffs, everybody plays hard
and that advantage goes away. But more troubling is the Clippers.
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They are a bad basketball team. With four minutes to play,
they're They're an NFL roster that's good with no quarterback.
I watched them disintegrate late. They are one of the
four to five worst offensive teams clutch points in the league.
The other four bad teams and I watched them, and
I thought, it's like having a bad bullpen and baseball.
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It's hard to win a World Series when you're leaking
runs in the seven eighth to ninth. I watched them,
and I'm like, they are They're not getting any better
two years they're bad late. Is there a solution of
that for the Clippers. Well, the solution is supposed to
be raised on Rondo, right, and I agree. Watching that
game against the Knicks, it was like, what are they doing?
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It degenerated into just give it to Kauai or give
it to Paul George and watch them go right. And
Rondo was on the floor at points, but he helped
initially and I think he will help in the playoffs.
But that is their achilles heel is what they do
in the last few minutes of game. They want to
put the ball in his hands and have him get
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it to those guys in the right spots. But I
agree it's a concern. But I will say this about him, Colin,
they are the only two if Lebron plays every playoff game,
and he's roughly eighty five to nine or better as
time goes on, and Anthony Davis truly is back to
what he's been the last two games. Then I think
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the only team with a legitimate chance of beating the
Lakers in the West is the Clippers because other, I
mean every other series, the Lakers have by far two
of the three best players on the floor, if not
the two best. Utah doesn't scare your, Phoenix doesn't scare you.
Denver does not scare you, especially without Jamal Murray, and
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the Clippers are the only team with a chance to
beat the Lakers. I picked the Lakers, but the Clippers
would have a shot. But I hear you. I mean
they at the end of games, they are a mess
unless Rondo's really orchestrating. Well, you know, we're getting to
a point now where I hate talking about this MVP stuff.
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I too. I think it's just like the Heisman winner.
I don't care, but I it does look like the
league is acknowledging Chris Paul exists this morning. Where do
you think he'll finish. He won't win it because he's
he doesn't have the numbers. I mean, it's just the
way the league works. But it does feel like the
last three or four weeks people are coming to terms
with Yeah, this is kind of embarrassing he's not in
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the top five. Where do you think Chris Paul finishes
in the MVP voting. I do think he'll be in
the top five. It'll probably be if I had to name,
I'd say four. I'd say four. Yokis we know is
gonna win. He's getting my vote. I haven't looked at
how I'll do my next four, but Yokis will get
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my vote, but Yannis maybe second. We know this is
a year where look, I would have had James Harden,
Joe l MB and probably Lebron all ahead of Yokis
had they not been injured and missed so many games.
So it's an off year. But I agree with you
what the turnaround in Phoenix. And I do have to
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say this, the Sun's not taking anything away from Chris
because he's been the leader that they need and he's
hitting big shots too. But they were eight knowing the bubble.
Oh okay, it was the bubble. I get it from
January on last year they played above five hundred basketball. Yeah,
I remember Dean DeAndre Ayton was out for a big
chunk of last year and so it wasn't light like
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when you It's not as simple as saying they were
horrible last season, didn't make the playoffs. Chris came in
and all of a sudden they're the number two seed.
That's a big part of it, but there are other
factors involved in it as well. Chris Bruce Sorred Fox
Sports NBA analyst. But appreciate you stopping by it today.
Good stuff, all right, Colin Justin Jefferson, Minnesota Vikings best
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young receiver. He's a kid and he is great. Ever
noticed this about LSU guys, They just work in the NFL.
You know, It's funny we always about Alabama. I don't
have the numbers in front of it. Feels like there's
more good LSU guys in the NFL than Bama guys.
There's just something about LSU guys, receivers, corners, pass rushers.
They always feel like they work one more Herd. The
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Can't wait. Brian Flores, co to the Miami Dolphin, says
he has never lost confidence in Tua, So players have
and that's what matters. And if Brian Flores keeps selling
that seven dollars steak, they're gonna lose confidence in him.
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The reality is, it doesn't matter what coaches think. Urban
on Tebow, Brian Ontoa, you can't fool the players. Multiple
players last year on the Dolphins leaked to the Miami Herald.
Dude can't play. Multiple players will lose confidence in a
coach if he keeps trying to sell them that bad
(17:25):
real estate. It didn't matter what Matt Nagy said about Trubisky.
The Bears players stopped believing in him. Do you notice
the Bears defense last year wasn't as good. Why. It's
not like the schemes were terrible. The players got bad. No,
they stopped playing with the same effort, knowing that if
you trail by ten late in the third quarter, you
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got no chance to win with Trubisky. You know, there's
the old joke, don't don't show me the baby. You know,
don't don't don't don't tell me how it's made, show
me the baby. It's the same with jokes. Don't tell
me the joke is funny. I want to laugh. Stop
trying to convince me how average quarterbacks are good. I'm
(18:09):
not interested. In fact. The first sign that a quarterback
is special is the coach does the opposite of Brian Flores.
They pump the brakes. Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, the coach
comes out, Hey, slow down, it's only thirteen starts. He's
better than Elway. Whoa. You know when a quarterback's really
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special because the coach pumps the brakes. You media guys
have made him out to me. Elway, Yeah, I watched
Justin Herbert Mahomes. He kind of they kind of looked
like him. When a coach has to say, what my
eyes aren't seeing which, Oh this guy. I have never
lost faith in him. The players have and in the
players will. Ultimately, it's like restaurants, restaurants or truth serum.
(18:53):
Your food's good, your service is good. You win. You
go to any town in America, you'll find like four
restaurants been around forever, sometimes less, sometimes more. They don't
always have the best location. You can have the best location,
you can have the best marketing. You can have a
beautiful facility, you can be well healed, have big investors
behind you. Foods average, services average, you're out of business.
(19:17):
I'll never forget to go into a Super Bowl years
ago in Dallas and everybody's I said, oh, Dallas, take
me to a great restaurant. And the person said, oh,
as a Mexican restaurant's about twenty miles out of town.
I swear to guide he couldn't find it on Google Maps.
It was in a neighborhood, it was at night, it
was dark, it was cold, we were all over these neighborhoods.
(19:40):
I couldn't find it in a million years. It was
way off the freeway way north of Dallas. And I
sat down for two hours, had about my nineteenth margarita
and burrito and said, how long has this place been around?
And they're like, yeah, I think this is the fifties, Like, yeah,
I get it. Food was good, service was great. Boy.
The margar That's the last time I drank a to margaritas.
But let me tell you something. Nothing else mattered. Food,
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good service good. A guy can play when he specially
can play. A coach will tell you to pump the brakes.
You can't keep trying to sell me. Oh, a restaurant's great. No,
the location is, the marketing is, the menu looks great,
the food's not to a small don't have a special arm,
not very athletic. Play has to be perfectly designed to work.
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Come on, man, that's not the league. That was barely
the league in the seventies. Certainly not the league now.
Joy of the news, No, no, turn on the news.
This is the herd line news history. Russell Westbrook broke
history NBA triple double record last night when he grabbed
his tenth rebounds with eight to thirty left in the
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fourth quarter, and the Wizards tweeted out a video with
some of the triple double top five sending their messages
of support. I'm very happy for you, your family is
very proud of you, and I salute you for all
your op smith in the game of basketball. What a feat. Incredible.
You left me a long time ago, but you're gonna
go down as mister triple devil. It's incredible. Feat. Someone
(21:09):
had to do it, Why not you? Impressive? Though? Where's
Kevin Durant and that Vin? I don't know. I didn't
know was James Harden and that Magic Johnson? Bradley Beale
and Scott Brooks also out of their congrats. Um Atlanta
fans actually started channing Russell in response was former teammates? Look,
(21:30):
I'm sure a former teammates have also reached out. I
cannot confirmed deny. I don't know exactly if Kevin Durant
said anything. Russell's very very well liked around the league.
He's very well respected, very well liked. He is a
great guy outside of basketball in the community, big time
family guy. You like his game or you don't, and
(21:52):
and listen. I'm a championship person myself. I'm with you.
I prefer that the biggest stars are constantly contending championship winning.
I do like winning. However, I can also appreciate someone's
career very much at a very high level without championships.
I think a good example of that people we always
point to is Charles Barkley. In football, Dan Marino doesn't
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have an ounce less of respects because he didn't win
a championship. It's I mean, we all know he didn't,
but he's still Dan the man, like you say to
Marino's name, and it's this instant respect. I think that
to Christmas Stard's point, when we step away from Russell
Westbrook's career, when he retires ten twenty years after he retires,
he is going to be remembered for being an incredibly
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dynamic player with an awesome career, and that's what he's had.
Translating what he does to championships for whatever reason, may
not work. Maybe his style of play doesn't work. Maybe
he hasn't been in the perfect situations at the perfect time.
He has had other Hall of famers around him, so
you can't argue against that, but they were also very young.
He doesn't cheat the fans. I mean, the one thing
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I'll say about him is if you pay to watch
Westbrook play, he has never mailed it in. He's not
a load management guy. He's not I'm taking the night
off guy. The one thing I do think there's real
value beyond his talent is, you know, the fans too
often get the short end of the stick on all
this stuff and load management. I just think, I mean,
(23:18):
I grew up in a small town. So like I
would go to one NBA game year, a Sonics game,
and if Downtown Freddie Brown didn't play, I was heartbroken.
Well that's still what most fans can go to is
one maybe two games a year. So when you go
to a Westbrook game, yeah you are going to get
I don't care if it's a Tuesday night and he's
got the flu. That dude could have COVID. He has
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given you forty two minutes of relentless and total respect
from me on that. Yeah, he nobody plays harder. Remember
the football player, late Kevin Greene, remember him, the pass rusher,
Like when you watched him play. I always thought myself
that dude loves football, Like when you watch Westbrook, he
loves the game. Yeah, he doesn't love what the game
(24:03):
can do for him. He I mean, he probably likes
that too, But Westbrook loves the game. And I always
respect guys. Some guys just they they can't hide it,
their their passion for playing. I think it was Tony
Gonzalez right that we talked about, and you ask him,
you know, how many guys really actually care about playing football?
(24:23):
Like how many are really committed or how much? How much.
Is this just a job and it provides obviously some
awesome benefits to playing football. Yeah, and you can sometimes
people are just talented enough to overcome that and it
doesn't matter. And it's not to say like, if you're
a professional athlete you care, like you don't get to
that level without caring. But there's a spectrum for everything,
and there's no denying that Russell Westbrook very much cares
(24:43):
about the game of basketball. Yeah, so t Vomania has arrived. Now. Look,
I would be very clear about this. I do not
think that this is the right decision at all. But
I am in the anarchy and chaos business, so for us,
it's wonderful u of content. He's very polarizing, so I
(25:03):
enjoy all of it. I do think it's a big
mistake though, to do this. But NFL Networks in rapp
report reported that the Jags are expected to sign Tim
Tebow to a one year contract. He suspected to be
official next week or so. He's going to be playing
tight end, so obviously he's going to be paired again
with coach Urban Meyer, with whom he won the Heisman
(25:24):
at Florida. He has not played since it was with
the Jets were showing right now. He started two games
in twenty twelve, and last time he played tight end
was in high school. He started his football career at
the tight end at Trinity Christian Academy High School in Jacksonville.
Like was that like that like freshman year of high
(25:45):
school or something. It wasn't until he transferred to Niece
High School that it became a quarterback. So I don't
know what year he transferred, but yes, he played. He
started as his high school career, which Tim Tebow's thirty
three years old. I'm thirty four. I graduated in two
thousand and four, which is a lifetime ago. We were
actually going over during the meeting today all the things
(26:07):
that were going on since the last time that Tim
Tebow was in college, and I was like, guys, I
really don't appreciate this. The iPhone wasn't around when Tebow
was in college. Yes, and I'm here older than him. Listen,
I think it's I think it's an absurd thing to
do for multiple reasons. One, you have to read the
room when you are when you are in a position
(26:29):
of power and you are a face of an organization,
and the way that urban is at this point right
where you haven't seen Trevor Lawrence. We know that he
will be the face of the organization, but we know
what Urban's career is. You. You're the one making this decision, right,
Trevor Lawrence has nothing to do with us. You have
to read the room like you, not just your locker room,
the environments around the culture, around the country right now,
(26:51):
the planet, everything that's going on right. You can't just
be giving opportunities to guys because you know them with
absolutely no credentials whatsoever. There to Greg's point earlier, Greg Jennings,
we talked about this. There are guys who have put
in their entire life's work, who are qualified, who are young,
who have been on the field last year, who have
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scraped and claude for an opportunity, and it's like, yeah,
you know, he played for me a million years ago,
which I can say is a thirty four year old
woman a million years ago in high school. I was
awesome in high school too, like that that was a
long time. Yeah, it's I do think of you know,
it's just it's just fraught with problems. It's just there's
so much about it. But you know, I kind of
(27:36):
look at it like I do wonder if is like
Tebow close to an NFL pension or something. So your
point with that, the NFL has always been in professional
sports has always been it doesn't matter where you're from,
how you grew up, if you were if you were rich,
if you were poor, if you can play, if you
(27:58):
can play, you will get an opportunity like if you
can actually play. And this just feels like, yeah, it's
still the same old thing as it is everywhere else.
It's an old boys club. If you know somebody, you're good,
and that's that's what it feels like. Fox bet odds
um to score a touchdown plus yes is plus five hundred,
No is minus eight hundred. So you can't you can't
(28:19):
bet on some things already on Tim Tebow's career in Jacksonville.
So it's long gon to assume that Bill Belichick's successor
was already in the building. But it might not be
who you think. Boston Globe writer Ben Volan suggests that
Matt Patricia might be the one to follow in Belichick's
foot footsteps. They had to choose one person, and they
chose him, and it does seem like they're broadening his
(28:40):
skill set, and it makes me wonder if they're setting
him up to be the air apparent to Belichick. Josh McDaniels,
he left Belichick wants and then he was gonna leave
a second time until the owner stepped in and paid
(29:00):
him a lot to be coordinated. Very controversial, completely backing
out on the Colts actually had some people quit their
job and thinking that they were heading over there. Josh
McDaniels is very much Lane Kiffen. Everybody's got an opinion
split right down the middle. Matt Patricia. We questioned competence,
but most people in football like him. He went thirty two,
(29:21):
twenty nine and one as Alliance head coach. Now granted
it is again, what did he doal I thought he was,
I mean sorry thirteen yeah, twenty nine and one. No,
I mean it was a disaster. It was a disaster
esthetically optically it was a had on backwards first game,
Like got mocked for that, and listen, I don't I
don't want to. I don't want to take any credit
away from how bad Lions organization has been. But that's
(29:41):
a long time to be bad. Thirteen twenty nine and one,
Like you had more than your runway to turn things
around there and it just never happened. So us oh
wait hun, yeah, I want to be that's it. I
want to keep going. All right, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping the third line Justin Jefferson and superstar
receiver Minnesota Vikings is around the corner. By the way,
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what does he think of the Aaron Rodgers saying he
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you get your podcasts. It's interesting when I the Packers
GM Brian Couden const you had this earlier. He said,
Jordan Love is quote a long way to go. There's
a difference between not ready and a long way to go.
What's worrying about that is that Jordan Love had thirty
two college starts. That's like three years of starting. They're
(31:08):
not in the football playoff. If you play three years
of college football and you're a long way to go,
that worries me. Like with all these seven on seven
passing camps, I mean again, a long way to go.
People say, well, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years ago.
That was sixteen years ago. That was sixteen years ago.
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You didn't have this generation. Aaron's from a previous generation.
He's almost he's closer to forty than thirty. He's one
year away from being closer to forty than thirty five.
Aaron did not grow up with all this seven on
seven passing camps. He had to go to junior college.
Aaron didn't have that many snaps by the time he
got to the NFL. He didn't. That's sixteen years ago.
(31:50):
Bob Barker still hosted The Prices right sixteen years ago,
we didn't have an iPhone sixteen years ago. TBO was
in college sixteen years ago. So boy, that that you know,
the thing is that green Bay Aaron are both kind
of trapped. I mean green Bay if Jordan Love is
a Long Way to Go, they're trapped because this is
gonna Jordan will get totally exposed. But Aaron's trapped. He's
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owned by Green Bay for the next three years. You
could say, well, he can retire, they own his rights.
Where's he gonna go? Now? He can go to Jeopardy.
But when you're as good as Aaron Rodgers, it's something
you don't retire. I mean, if you sing like Cardi
By or Beyonce or something, you don't retire in your thirties.
That's just not the way it works. Like even if
(32:31):
you retire, you can come back. And I mean Tony
Bennett saying to the end, right, like, that's the way
it works. And I just I retirement doesn't sound right
to me. He's too good at it and he makes
a lot of money doing it. He mostly has fun
doing it. So I mean, the way to solve this
thing is communication. But boy, when I read A Long
Way to Go after thirty two college starts, I mean
(32:55):
justin Herbert had about thirty five forty college starter I mean,
that's kind of Justin her was told on the sidelines
five minutes before he played the Kansas City Chiefs, go
he was ready. We all watched that game. I think
most of us day we were all like, wow, like,
we don't got a while, We got a whoa long
way to go. That's that's worrisome. Justin Jefferson is putting
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the worry in NFL defensive backs and defenses. He had
the most receiving yards in the history of the NFL
for a rookie in a league with seemingly an endless
stream of receivers. He was an All Pro as a rookie,
and and he went to LSU. All those guys are good.
Swear to god. You play at baton Rouge, you come
to the NFL, and it's just you're fine. Day one,
(33:44):
he joins us live. Justin Jefferson vikings twelve ball wide receiver.
By the way, Justin Jamar Chase. And this tells you
how much talent LSU had. They got Jamar Chase on
one side and just us and Jefferson on the other side.
So tell me a little about Jamar Chase. If I'd
never seen him play and you were explaining to me
(34:04):
what Jamar Chase is like. And Joe Burrow now has
Jamar Chase. What is he like? What was he like
to be a teammate of? He was phenomenal to have
a teammate. We are both competitive and you know, we
love to compete, so every practice, every game, we just
try to outdo one another. And U, I mean it
was it was great to have him as a teammate
(34:26):
in to play on alongside of him and Terris. Is
he a little bit bigger than you? Smaller? How are
your games the same? How are they different? Um? They're
little different. I'm more of the like little twitchiest, fast, Um,
you know, I have good routes. He has good routs also,
But he's more of the physical, vertical threat type of receiver.
(34:49):
But I mean he's versatile just like me. He can
go inside and outside. You know, when you get to
the NFL and we just had the NFL draft and
it was a good receiver draft and you popped immediately.
But let me ask you, if you were gonna go
back and tell all these receivers that just got drafted,
if you were going to give them one thing and say, Okay,
(35:10):
here's the one thing I'm gonna tell you the difference
between college in the NFL. What what justin would that
one thing be? Um? The one thing I have to
say is just well, I played in the SEC, so, Um,
you know, we played a guys like Alabama, Georgia, all
of these big time teams that have you know, some
(35:32):
tremendous players on them. So every week the competition is
not that different from the NFL. The only thing that
would be different is just the players are smarter. They've
been in the league, you know, eight years or having
many they have been. Uh, so they studied the game,
they know, they know the different types of movements where
(35:53):
you're going to be on the field. So they're a
little bit more smarter than in college. That's the only
thing that's really different from the SEC. Yeah, you're dealing
with men looking at video all day. That's that's the reality.
Have it totally get that? When did you know as
a Viking? Was it the first practice? Because listen, even
great college players sometimes don't work in the NFL. When
did you know when you and Kirk Cousins were together
(36:14):
and you thought yourself, it's gonna be good. I'm gonna
have a good I can play in the NFL. It's
gonna be good. I'll have to say. After that first
start against Tennessee when I had my first touchdown one
hundred and seventy five yards seven catches out, I feel light.
After that week, I feelt like it was gonna be
a good connection between me and him. And then from
(36:37):
there on we just started getting better and better. We
started working with each other more. And I mean they
showed on a field by having fourteen hundred yards. So
now you have had Joe Burrow and you have had
Kirk Cousins and take your time here, now compare them.
Where are they similar? Where are they not similar? Similar? Um?
(37:00):
Kirk and Joe throws similar balls. Uh, they're not the
strongest arm, but they're gonna get it to you exactly
where you need it. You need them to throw it,
you know what I'm um. But the thing about Joe
that's a little bit different Joe. UM, I feel like
Joe had that a little bit more swagger, you know. Um,
he has that confidence on the field and UM, I
(37:22):
mean he's not scared to get hit. And I feel
like as a quarterback Um, that's that's a big trait
to have, um, especially to to be as young as
he is. And um, you know he's a phenomenal quarterback.
So were you surprised to hear the Vikings were interested
in Justin Field? So that surprised you at all the
quarterbacks from Ohio State? Um? No, Um, you know we
(37:46):
have to build on um, you know, for after Kirk
or whatever, um the case may be. But having justin
Fields brings a little bit more uh pressure to other
teams by having, you know, a dominant quarterback like he is.
So my son for years played Fortnite and I mean
he lived in front of a computer. You are kind
(38:10):
of legendary for your dancing, which is now featured on Fortnight.
So let's just talk about let's get let's dive deep
into this, Okay. So my theory is, guys who can dance,
it's natural you You you could dance. When you were seven,
you could dance. Somebody in your family. Was your mama dancer?
Was your dad a dancer? Um, my dad was a
(38:32):
little bit of a dancer. But uh, I mean growing up,
me and my brothers always used to just dance the music. Uh,
And I mean it's just that New Orleans culture, that
Louisiana's culture, uh that you know, we like to we
like to give a little one two. Well, you're you're
a great player, and Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson many
(38:55):
But I talked to an NFL scout about a month
ago and he said, you're gonna have the two best
receiver in the NFL, both from LSU. He goes, you're
not gonna believe how good Justin Jefferson is, and then
he was great, And now all of a sudden, we're
gonna have Jamar Chase. By the way, you're working with
Optimum Nutrition, You're building Better Lives program. Give me, give
me a heads up on what that is really just
(39:16):
build well what we had worked on. We're just going
back to my community, bringing some fitness and bringing some
light to my hometown. And just like you said, we're
building better lives and just trying to stay fit. Just
all of the different protein and energy drinks that they
have is wonderful and I'm definitely excited and proud to
(39:40):
be working with them. Justin Jefferson the All Pro as
a rookie, the endless stream of great LSU football players,
in the National Football League. Good luck to you can't
wait to watch a play. We had Davante Adams on yesterday.
Justin Jefferson Today, listen. If you're not at all pro,
we don't even want you on the show anymore. That's
our new standard. A good justin, good luck, thank you, appreciated.
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