3 and Out - Burrow/Eddy O Immortality; Lawrence Dud; Mahomes Avalanche; Niner Tough; Vrabel Is Parcells 2.0; Quick Hits - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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It's about four in the morning. Had to wait for
this game to end, not really, but it's about nine thirty.
I don't know how you guys on the East Coast
do it. Obviously, College football is a little bit longer
than NFL. An NFL Monday Night football usually starts to
find five is over by about eight oh five ish.
College football start at five, and I don't know went.

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I mean, that's a long game, but that was fun.
We'll talk about Burrow, Eddio and Lawrence off the top.
Then we're gonna dive into just about everything. Mahomes, the
forty nine Ers, Mike Vrabel, an old famous coach. He
kind of reminds me of the Packers, Seattle, the Browns,
Drew Brees to TV, maybe Lamar Jackson, Kirk Cousins, and

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then obviously the Middlecoff mail bag at John Middlecoff is
my Instagram handle. Slide up in those dms, and it's
the easiest way to get a hold of me, and
I actually already recorded it earlier today. I answered a
bunch of questions smart because I knew the National Championship
Game was gonna be long, so I recorded a lot before,
so I'm not gonna have to do too much. But

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let's start with the National Championship Game. You know, when
you're growing up, like when I grew up, my dad
always told the story like how he went to lunch
with Mickey Mantle And the part of the story was
like Mickey threw down like five or six drinks before
advertisers got out, But part of it was like you
don't understand, like he was just always an awe of

(02:17):
like Mickey was such a big alcoholic, but like him
going to you know, my dad was older, passed away
a couple of years ago, but he's in the seventies. Like,
got to watch Mickey Mantle play and was like, you
don't understand how good Mickey Mantle was at baseball and
there are players like my dad's big forty nine er
guy used to swear about Joe Montana being better than

(02:38):
Steve Young, and obviously he probably was, but I could
never really have the argument because I didn't really see
Joe Montana play, and especially the majority of your Like
when you're young and you're arguing, like, no, Steve Young's
better or Brett Farve's better, you don't. You're just going
off what you have. And again for the kids, like
they're gonna be a group of kids you could make
an argument and you just go to YouTube and do

(02:59):
your own a little scouting. I couldn't do that. You
just kind of went with what you saw. I know this,
I will argue for the rest of my life that
what I watched Joe Burrow to do this year was
just beyond stupid. It was freaking incredible. Like it just
had a loss for words. I had multiple NFL scouts
text me tonight like that's the best college season I've
ever seen a guy play at quarterback. His athleticism, his

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deep ball accuracy, his playmaking. He dominated. He simply dominated.
I pull up his box score right now, four sixty three,
five touchdowns. But he's just he had an incredible season.
He had a season that will live on as a legend.
And tonight officially at Ogeron and Joe Burrow and all

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those guys. But those guys are the headliners. Well, we'll
never pay for anything in Louisiana again. I mean, those
guys are made men in the program. I would imagine
they'll get a statue because this wasn't just a national
championship season. It was a we're the best freaking team
in the country by a wide margin. That offense that
the LSU had, they have the number one quarterback. This

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guy is gonna go number one in the draft. Who
had the greatest statistical season in the history of the sport.
I think he wiped out Timmy Chang, the kid from Hawaii.
Remember they used to run like the Mike Leach spread offense.
June Jones. This guy is running an NFL offense just
five six seven touchdowns a game. Now you know he
is playing with an NFL running back that kid number

(04:30):
twenty two is probably gonna have started in the league.
Maybe not as a rookie, but eventually someone DM me.
They're like, bro, have you seen, like, do you think
that DeAndre Hopkins compares to the Chase Guide number one
for LSU? And I'm like, you know, it's pretty bold praise.
I haven't watched that much of him, but DeAndre Hopkins elite.
And then about halfway through this game the night, I'm like, yeah,

(04:51):
that kid's going really high, and then I realized it's
a sophomore. Jordan Jefferson number two is first round pick,
so that they got special, special players. But Burrow the
cream always rises and he was their best player. He
was remarkable. I thought, Honey Badger. Tyron Matthew put it perfectly.
He was at his game the night and his tweet
was pretty simple, Joe Burrow is better in person. And

(05:15):
I said, I was thinking, Honey Badger, you perfect tweet,
because when you see something in person, you go wow.
It's one thing to watch something on TV, especially a
sporting event, but when you go watch Tom Brady and
the Peak of his Powers, or Mike Trout and the
Peak of his Powers, or Lebron James or Steph Curry.
They blow you away, you know, and I can't imagine

(05:36):
being there to night what was on the line, given
where the game is. How special that performance was and
very very cool moment for at Ozeron a lot of
people like myself, you know, referred to him as dumb,
referred to him as I can't believe See never should
have hired him. And you know what, see fans love

(05:57):
talking about it. He didn't belong to you at a
Dron belongs in the South. Now. Would he have been
better than Clay Helton, of course he would have, But
would he have done what they did? Probably not, Like
he was perfectly suited for the South. And I say
it all the time. I've been fired a couple of
times and it's led me to be much happier, and
it's led good things to happen in my life because

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it forces you to kind of reevaluate, it forces you
to change, It forces you to be uncomfortable and n
Odron when he didn't get the job at USC, I
remember he was devastated and I think he might have
gone to the Saints for a year before he then
maybe that was maybe that was before but he definitely.
Then he got onto LSU staff with Les Miles. His
life changed. And now I turned the TV off, I'm

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sure he'll be in tears, like this is a this
is a moment that a guy I can't even imagine.
Like I'm from the West Coast and college football is
nowhere near as big as out here. It's it's not
big out there, it's down there. It's a way of life.
It's part of their culture. It's part of you know,
God Family football and all three. There's not like one

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two three, they're all basically even like when you when
you meet guys from the SEC's God Family football, you
know it's football family gout. I mean the order, the
order may change a little bit, but it's all they're
all the same. And you could see the magnitude of
this moment for the guy, how much Joe Burrow will
always mean to him. And you know Joe Burrow gave
the speech to the Heisman Trophy, how much he guy

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like Joe Burrow said, he gave me the keys to
this program. And it's not like this is Texas Tech.
I mean, this is this is LS freaking you, and
it changed everyone's life. And those two guys will be
immortalized in that state as long as they live and
well after they're gone. You know, it was that everyone
that witnessed it, everyone that saw it live, will never

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forget it, because I never will. I would say the
best teams I'd ever seen before this were the Ohio
State team and some of the Miami teams in the
early two thousands, the Reggie Bush team, but this team
might have been the most complete given their firepower on
offense and how good Joe Burrow was, Like he's better
than Matt Liner. You know, He's better than the quarterbacks
in Ohio Stadium with Ken Dorsey. He just he's way better.

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He's in a completely different level. So that that, to
me is the Trump Carter because when you think about it,
a lot of like I'm thirty five, a lot of
the teams that I vividly remember watching, like the late
nineties in the early two thousands, like their quarterbacks weren't
NFL guys. Even like the sweet Nebraska team under Tom Osborne.
It was like Tommy Frazier, So just special, special night

(08:29):
the SEC flexes their muscles again and and at Ozeron
and Joe Burrow. I'll never forget it, and most sports
fans were with their Salt loan either. And on the
flip side, Trevor Lawrence wasn't very good tonight, just period,
point blank. He definitely has all the talent. He's everything
you look for in terms of size, arm strength, in theory, accuracy,

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but he was terrible. He was awful. Now, could some
of that to be to blame is LSU. Probably every
dB they have is a first round pick, their their
wide receiver struggled to get but he was airmailing guys
left and right. He was he was a radic. He
didn't play winning football. It's just it's just that simple.
He did not play winning football. And once they kind

(09:12):
of could corral etn who's gonna be a really good
NFL player they need, They needed Trevor Lawrence to play
like Joe Burrow, and he didn't just not play with
Joe Burrow. He just didn't play good. I mean, he
threw for two hundred thirty yards and not having touchdowns.
If Joe brow is gonna throw for four and fifty
yards and five touchdowns, you're gonna need Trevor Lawrence at
minimum to throw for three or four. So it's just

(09:34):
a lot of people tweeting at me, A lot of
people dming me he's gonna hurt his draft stock. Is
he overrated? I don't know if he's overrated because he
has all the requisite talent. And we've seen a guy
like Jameis Winston, you know, be very very inaccurate still
go number one overall. So I think this guy's on
the fast on the path to be the number one
overall pick. But I do think you can nit pick

(09:57):
him a little bit, like you'd have to go back
study that film, go why was he overthrowing guys left
and right? And really, if you think about the Ohio
State game, they took off when he ran. Here's the thing.
Do you know what NFL people, I don't give a
shit how you run like it's cool and you get
Twitter thinks you're great all season long. You know what
happens in the playoffs. You gotta throw and make accurate passes.

(10:17):
We just saw it with our guy Lamar. Like running's fun,
it's sweet. You can have all these yards all season,
run for eleven, fifteen hundred, twelve hundred whatever, yards, run
for ten touchdowns. This cool. When the rubber meets the road,
in January in college football and definitely in the pros.
And it's third and eight, you gotta hit the guy
in the hands on a deep out route from the

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opposite hash and Trevor Lawrence was even close. I mean
Shaquille O'Neal or Kevin Garnett in their prime couldn't have
caught the ball. I don't know what was up with
the guy. I like him, I mean, who doesn't. You
can see the skills, but he was he was borderline
atrocious tonight. Now. I do think you gotta chock it
up LSU. Their defense is awesome. The other standout player

(10:58):
that Isaiah Simmons number eleven for Clemson, he to me
and I tweeted this tonight. I think he's the second
non quarterback off the board. And when when he goes
to combine, a lot of coaches are gonna be what
position do you play? And he's gonna look at him.
He's gonna listen like seven positions. Well, I can play
outside linebacker. I can play basically a stand up defensive
end and pass rush. I can play strong outside linebacker.

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I can play middle linebacker. I can play safety. Hell
you need be to you know, cover a tight end
in the slot. I got you, dog. I mean, there's
nothing he can't do. Special, special player, an elite player.
I don't see now, depending on how the quarterback works,
but I think he's got top five written all over him.
If I had to go my top five middlecoff draft

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board right now, I would go Joe Burrow. I would
go I'm gonna put two at number two, assuming the
hip checks out, I would go Chase Young. And again
I'm putting two over Chase Young, just in the fact
that I like the quarterbacks are more important. I'll go
Chase Young, I'll go Isaiah Simmons, and I will go
Herbert Base more on upside and just talent. That'd be

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the top five. And there are other there's a ton
of other good players in this I mean, this drafts
pretty good in the first round. But that if that's
your top five to a Burrow, Isaiah Simmons, and Chase Young,
that's that's pretty star studded right there. Again, I'm assuming
to his hip's gonna check out. But Simmons, then you
see a Clemson I mean they had an off night
and their quarterback was bad. They got they got a

(12:27):
lead talent, they got a lead talent. Dabbos now what
he's been a five national champion of four national championships,
he's won two of them. So it's just it's a
shitty night for him, but it's you know, it's also
a symbolic like we're pretty freaking good. I mean, we
get here all the time, and that there's something to
be said about getting there. You don't need to win
it every year. Part of the Patriots dynasty in the

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in the even the Alabama's dynasty is they were going
to the playoffs every year. Alabama never missed the playoffs
till this season. So if you go to the playoffs
every year, in pretty good shape. And yeah, it was
just that was a fun game, little long, little long. Yeah,
we'd like to keep those clocks running clock. If it's
a little bit of a blowout in the second half,

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let's dive into what we saw in Kansas City a
couple days ago. And it was simply remarkable. You know,
you only see stuff like that every so often. It

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actually was a first in NFL history. A team up
twenty four nothing in the first half is then losing
by halftime. First time it's ever happened in the Super
Bowl era. I think the highest number before that was
twenty one nothing. It had never been as high as
twenty four nothing. So what we saw what was remarkable.
But I think sometimes and I am guilty of this,

(15:23):
we go we have never seen this before. Lamar Jackson,
yes we have. His name is Michael Vick. Even Mahomes,
like we've never seen Patrick Mahomes before. I think we
kind of have. His name is Brett Farve, and he
felt far Van on Sunday in the comeback, just his energy,

(15:45):
his remarkable physical gifts. But the one thing I think
Mahomes has and this is a cross sport comp and
I felt it for many years going to games, even
before Kevin Durant showed up. There was something with Steph
Curry when the Warriors could be down and people forget

(16:05):
There were many games over the years, definitely once Kevin
Durant came where they just didn't give a shit and
they would just kind of coast to start a game
and all of a sudden they'd be down twenty twenty
five points and you never ever felt like they were
going to lose because the moment Steph Curry would hit
a couple threes, he'd start shimmying in he'd start shaking,

(16:29):
the entire crowd would awaken and it would be on
like Donkey Kong, and there was an energy that came
off of them. Just I understand if if you don't
like the Warriors, you thought he was hot dogging and
he is. Well Mahomes does too, But that type stuff,
when you're at home or to your teammates, you don't

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care what the other team thinks or what's some fan
on Twitter thinks. It's about giving them the belief because
deep down, you know they say the most successful people
in the world are eternal optimists. Well, you have to
have some of that as a player, especially as a quarterback.
The point guard, you know, the head coach, whoever you are,

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because you can't just you know, when it's twenty four
nothing or you're down, you know, thirty and a half
or whatever, just look at the squad like, yeah, we're screwed.
It's over. Let's just who cares? You know, there is
especially in the NFL in a playoff game and texting
around like probably most people like is are they really
gonna go out like this? I never stop totally believing. Now,

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twenty four nothing is a huge number. But they have Kelsey,
they have Tyreek Hill, they have Sammy Watkins, they got
the rookie Hardeman, they got dudes that can just fly.
And then they have the special catalyst and that is Mahomes.
Now it's hard. Marty morten Wig told me once, and
I think Andy Reid would know this as well. He

(17:56):
thought the best player he'd ever seen in all of
his years in the NFL was peak fall five to
ninety seven, when he won three straight MVPs. And Mahomes
clearly didn't win the MVP this year, But like, who's
the better quarterback, Lamar Jackson or Mahomes. Give me a
break that there's not there's zero people in the NFL,
including John Harbaugh, that wouldn't take Mahomes over Lamar Jackson.

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That's not a conversation. That's not even hate on Lamar Jackson.
He's become a fantastic player and he should only improve.
My mom is a different level. Moms is an all
time great already. The dude's a legend. Think about this.
The Kampas Chiefs for fifty years had never hosted an
AFC championship game. Now in back to back seasons, they're

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hosting AFC championship games. In fifty plus years of the
conference championship game started in nineteen seventy, they'd never hosted it.
Now they're back in back to back years. And that
was a game yesterday where you're like, ah, I don't know,
it's just not their day. It's a little cold, they're off,
they're rusty, and it didn't matter. They scored fifty one
straight points and Andy Reid took Romeo Cornell out behind

(19:01):
the cleaners and absolutely just ravaged him. And the reality
is when you got a guy like Mahomes, just like
when you have Steph Curry and that avalanche starts, the
crowd feels it, the team feels it and there is
no looking back. There is no stopping it, and there
are only a few players in sports, probably basketball or

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quarterbacks in football. I think Russell Wilson definitely has this
characteristic and it's a little harder for him, even though
God he's fantastic, because his team's just not as good
where mahomes. His team is so much better, as offensive
line is better, clearly as skill guys are better, and
his offensive play caller is on a completely different level

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than Seattle. There's no stopping it. And once that avalanche
starts coming down the hill, bodies are getting buried that
there is only you can run and you can hope
to avoid it, but if it catches you, you're getting
wiped out. And Bill O'Brien, who you know, coach Read,
supported him after the game on the fake punt. I'm
just gonna vehemently disagree because the momentum in the game.

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I do believe game to game, there's no such thing
as momentum, right because a new game starts. They say
in baseball, the next day's pitcher is the momentum. And
it's true, like in basketball, baseball, whatever, there is no
such thing. Now there's an internal belief when you go
into a game like I think the Titans have, but
if the Titans just play crappy, they'll lose. Like, you
need to play well in every game. Now, I do

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think your confidence raises. That's what makes Mahomes special. Like
he doesn't need a great season to be super locked in.
He doesn't need a great season to then make him confident.
I think the dude is kind of born with the swag,
you know, he just kind of has. We hear this
so often and the reality is a small percentage in sports,

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just like in life, have the quote unquote it, and
he clearly has it. And when you factor in the
offense he plays in the players he plays in. When
you're playing the Chiefs and they are laying a complete
egg and you're you know, I don't even know what
yard they were a yard line they were at. It
felt like thirty. But you're up twenty four to seven

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and you run a fake punt. The crowd is completely silent.
The Chiefs are borderline dead. Now there's a lot of
game left. I think there was eight minutes to go,
But when you ran that fake punt and then it
gets stuffed, you woke up the crowd, and worst of all,
you woke up Mahomes. And then they scored, and then
obviously they fumbled on the next kickoff return led to

(21:33):
another touchdown, and the route was on. There was by
the time he fumbled on the kickoff return after they
had scored the touchdown on the stop fake punt. The
man on the moon knew this game. Now. I didn't
know they were gonna score fifty one points, but the
Chiefs are gonna win the game. And Bill O'Brien deserves
criticism for that. Like in that situation, it's reckless. And

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I am the number one proponent about having balls, about
having big old old cajonas in business, in football, whatever
you do. I think what truly separates people in this country,
where capitalism is the way that we operate, is having stones.
The smartest people are not the richest people. It's the

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most aggressive people. And clearly football is an aggressive game.
So I'm all for going for it in situations running
fake punts, But in a situation where you're up twenty
four seven on the road and you're on your side
of the field, so it's not like it'd be one
thing right if you were at midfield and maybe you
think you can totally cut their head off, but you

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gave him the ball, which the Chiefs red zone basically
starts at the forty. So it was reckless. Like there
is a fine line and it's a slippery slope and
there's a lot of gray area between having stones and
being reckless. And I got to take the l on
Bill O'Brien. I've often supported him and I don't think
he's some village idiot. His team goes to the playoffs

(22:57):
all the time, but he is not anywhere or the
top tier guys that the Andy Reids, the even the
Sean Payton's, the obviously Kyle Shanahan's, even Pete Carroll like
he's in another category now. He's not Tom Seula or
Freddie Kitchens or anything, because he clearly is a capable guy.
But I'm sure you saw the video on TMZ or

(23:19):
he's screaming at the fan. He's got a screw loose,
and I'm pro guys that have screw looses, like most
people that are successful in football, definitely, and you could
argue in business are a little nutty. Normal people probably
aren't the most successful people financially in their field, you
gotta be kind of nuts. And Bill O'Brien might be

(23:40):
too far on the nuts side, because that one when
I don't get there's no rhyme or reason to what
he does. Like with John Harbaugh, he was consistent all
season long. He was going for it. Bill O'Brien, remember
that game, I think it was like weeks eventeen against
Tampa he refused to go for it, and then this
game he's running a fake punt and then he claims
when they kicked the field goal. I think the next series,

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or maybe it was the series before, they didn't have
the right play call. They'd Bill, what are you talking about?
But when you're unsure like that, and when you're kind
of lost upstream without a paddle and you're facing the Mahomes,
who is the Steph Curry of the of the NFL,
and that avalanche starts coming, it's gonna bury you. It's
gonna kill you, and you're gonna lose the game. Get

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And I was at the game on Saturday. I learned

(26:34):
something this weekend and really all season. I've been to
like three games this year, the Seattle game, a Monday
night game against the Browns, and then that playoff game.
And for about five years the forty nine or stadium.
Now granted, I live, you know, I parallel to San Francisco.
I live in the suburbs I like my Space, and
you know, it's like forty five minutes away, which traffic

(26:55):
it can be a little longer, but on Saturday it
took me probably forty minutes to get there, So yeah,
I mean Candlestick. Actually, Candlestick was actually just as far too,
because you had to go over the bridge and kind
of through the city. But I get it. It's not
in the city, so it got kind of dumped on,
and rightfully so Santa Clara. Now granted, here's the irony
of the whole thing. Bill Walsh, his office, like their

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offices have been down there for thirty five years, so
they basically just built the stadium where their office was.
We the fans were just accustomed to having Candlestick close
to the city, even though Candlestick, for those of you
that have never been there, was in the hood and
it was not a safe environment at all. People often
act in players and everyone acted like the Oakland Coliseum

(27:39):
was like the ghetto, and you had to be worried
about getting, you know, taken out of the game. I'll
promise you, having been to both places, Candlestick was way worse.
So they didn't build there. The city. It's san Francico
such a messed up place. There's not much room either.
Couldn't have build there. Maybe you could have, I don't know.
Ended up in Santa Clara. It got dumped on. But

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the reason they got dumped on because the team sucked.
The team was god awful. And this year the team
suite and people are there. Here's the way it works
on the West Coast. When you're really good, we can
support a winner as well as anybody. San Frasco Giant,
San Frasco forty nine ers two of the biggest brands going.
The LA Lakers, same thing. The difference is we ignore
a loser. I lived in Philadelphia when we lost my

(28:23):
second and third year. I would imagine the radio ratings
went up. Same thing in New York, same thing in Boston.
They thrive in losing. They like it. They also like winning,
but they don't mind losing. It's good for the media. Business.
People have opinions here. We ignore it. We don't care.
Apathy sets in really quickly. Not me. I mean, this
is what I do for a living, is what I

(28:44):
care about. It's what I talk about. But the casual fan,
like I am dependent on my business when I do
barious stuff on them winning because if they lose, people
just tune out. It's really a simple formula around here.
So the forty nine ers that place was rock and
having watched this forty nine ers team all season long,
the one thing social media loves telling you it's like

(29:07):
the softening of America. How soft? How to soft people
and nice people are winning now. And again I'm when
I say nice people, I believe that, like you can
be an aggressive human being and be a tough minded
human and treat people well, that's not saying treat people shitty,
but like give ribbons for seventh place, and that's something

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as society has changed and everywhere that tells you, like,
that's what that's what's in vogue now, that is what
is in vogue. Just like in football it's a passing league,
and it is a passing league. But like you you
can get away with Lamar Jackson running around. Now, you
know what works in life, just like in football toughness. Now,
in football it's actual physical toughness because you're actually hitting someone.

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In life, it's mental toughness. In football, it actually incorporates both.
But that is never gonna change ever ever in this
country what works. Tough people dominate in every freaking industry,
including the NFL. And when you look through the two
games on Saturday, the San Frasco forty nine Ers and

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the Tennessee Titans, they came in and they hit their
opponent square in the jaw, and that opponent quivered to
the ground and then they just kept swinging. And I'll
give Seattle credit, they operate like this too. They had
no business this year winning eleven games being in the
second round of the playoffs. But they are like a
Chuck Lydell in the MMA. All they want to do

(30:32):
is just throw blows at your face. And that works
in football because why because football is a violent game.
It's a tough game. Now the rules have changed and
during the regular season passing, you're an idiot if you don't.
Cornerbacks can't press your wide receivers. Your wide receivers don't
have to be worried about going over the middle because
they can't hit you, and if they do, a flag

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comes out. Your quarterback can't get hit. The rules and
the officiating leans to a quote unquote softer game, just
like the NBA. When the playoffs start, people swallow their
whistles a little bit more, it gets a little more violent,
just like, yeah, you can give that seventh place ribbon
to little Jimmy. But guess what, when he's twenty eight
years old and he needs his first big meeting with

(31:15):
his firm or whatever the hell he's doing, He's either
going to have to put up or shut up. No
one gives a shit how he feels. That's just a reality.
And the faster you learn that, the better you offer
for life. Life's not fair. And I would say the
more mentally tough people usually thrive in football, the more
physically tough teams usually thrive. In the forty nine ers

(31:39):
at every level. On defense, their defensive line, when d
Ford is in the you know, in the fold and healthy,
which hasn't happened much, is dominant. Nick Bosa, I was wrong.
He isn't just good, He's elite. I've been doing talking
about football, watching football for a living now for ten
plus years. If you factor in college edge about thirteen,

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he's by far the best rookie I've ever seen. And
again I was on record, I would have taken quinnin Williams.
That's insane because I couldn't have been anymore wrong. This
guy isn't this guy's better than his brother. He is
an elite player, a complete ass kicker at a front
row seat for Kalil max rookie year. This guy is
in a different category. Now, Khalil became a special player,

(32:25):
but he was he was raw early on. Now, granted
he was coming from Buffalo. Nick came in like a
seven year vet, not like a like a seven year
vet that's been in the Pro Bowl six times, kicking ass,
taking names, and destroying everything in his path. It is
really really impressive. And then the two guys they got
from Oregon are six to seven. They look like an
NBA player that are two hundred and ninety pounds. They're unstoppable.

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Then you look at their linebackers. Fred Warner is a
tackling machine. They got Kwan Alexander back just kind of
the heart and soul of the team. They have multiple
other linebackers. They've drafted, Drake Greenlaw, the guy that had
the tackle in the Seattle game, built for this modern
game because of his athleticism. But all three of them
lay the wood. And the one thing I tell all
my NFL buddies, like the thing that separates this Niner

(33:09):
unit is their dbs. A lot of times, I think
Herm Edwards uses this term a lot. Contact courage football
back to the violence of the game. Like you got
a guy running full speed and we all watch the combine.
We know the speed in which most of these ball carriers,
running backs, tight ends are moving coming right at you.

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Some people don't have contact courage, and a lot of
corners and I always defend them on this. If you're
a cover corner, what Primetime wants famously say, they don't
pay me to tackle. He's right, they pay him to cover.
But every guy on this Niner team, obviously Richard Truman's
one of the best tackling the guy. To me, he's
the best tackling corner of all time. Quaski Tart lays

(33:50):
the wood, Jimmy Ward lays the wood. Emmanuel Moseley, their
backup corner who's now their starting corner, lays the wood.
And Kwan Williams their nickel corner player. All of their
dbs hit like linebackers. Now they're not as big as linebackers,
but the violence in which they attack a ball carrier
is that level. They're hitting everyone, and they're hitting him hard,

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and a guy like Kirk Cousins, who lets let's call
a spade a spade, somewhat of a metal midget. When
times get tough, he is not physically capable of overcoming.
He does not have the talent. It's just that simple.
Like Rogers, whether the Niners rattle him or not, and
they're hitting him like he's good enough he can overcome it. Now.
I don't know, I'm gonna pick the Niners in this game,

(34:33):
but when Rogers is on the throws, he can make
He's an all the time great player and he's proven
like you might beat him, but it's not because he
doesn't have the physical characteristics to make plays happen, or
you can hit him like Kirk Cousins wilts as I
think the Forrest Buckner told Albert Brewer in the MMQB
article that he wrote the other day. We knew we
can get him seeing ghosts. That's who you were dealing with.

(34:55):
Take away the money in the eighty five million dollar contract.
He's not talented enough. And then a team like the
Niners are just gonna hit you over and over and
over again. They're just gonna keep swinging on you until
you say uncle. It's really that simple. And then their
offensive style is for most young coaches, typically they're gonna

(35:15):
throw the ball. Why because throwing gets you jobs. It's fun.
We all love it throwing bombs. Kyle Shanahan dreams about
running inside and outside zone, and in that game, I
think there was a point in time in the second
half where he had eight straight runs on a touchdown drive,
and then the next drive he had two more straight runs.

(35:35):
He will Jim Harbaugh wants. I think against the Arizona
Cardinals in like twenty twelve or thirteen, ran the play
powers when you put a fullback and a running back
in the eye formation and you run it basically behind
let's say the right guard, and you pull the left
guard to lead up, so you got the fullback and
the guard leading the hole. It is the ultimate tough

(35:58):
guy play. And I think in a game in like
the peak of the hardball years, he ran power. I
don't know if it was the same side, it might
have been I think eight or nine straight times. It
was basically, we're tougher than you and you can't do
shit about it. And the thing is, and I was
talking to a buddy in the NFL It's not like
the Vikings are soft. I mean they got Anthony Barr,

(36:21):
Eric Kendricks, Harrison Smith, Everson Griffin, Danielle Hunter. Like they
got dudes, and they got shoved around because the Niners,
where they really separate themselves is toughness. And when you
think about the forty nine Ers historically, you think offense
Bill Walsh, West Coast offense, Kaepernick, now Kyle Shanahan. The
irony is And I'm thirty five years old and I

(36:42):
started watching the Niners that I can remember in the
early nineties. Their defenses were awesome in ninety four, which
I still think is one of the best teams I've
ever seen. They were littered with defensive All Pros and
Pro Bowlers from Bryant Young to Dana Stubblefield that Dion
Sanders to Tim McDonald, Ken Norton Junior, Gary Plummer. They've
always been Merton Hanks. They will knock you out, obviously

(37:05):
the hard by years. For as much as we talk
about Kaepernick and the pistol, it was Bowman, Willis, Justin Smith,
Alden Smith, a mod Brooks, Scumbag, Ray McDonald, Buddy was
a dominant player. They and Whitner and Goldston. They were
just cracking skulls. And this defense is a little different
than the hardball defense. It's more built on speed. It's

(37:26):
just perfect four twenty twenty teams a little more spready.
You need a little more speed. The hardball teams were
built more for you know, stop the Marshawns and the
power runs and the physical teams. But at the end
of the day, in the playoffs, now in San Francisco,
you know it's fifty seven degrees now, granted, for us,
that's that's cold. It wasn't Lambeau, it's not Kansas City.

(37:47):
But the toughness and physicality plays in cold weather. It
plays in January. It plays for Super Bowl teams. Just
like you know, the guy that was told you need
to get better. They got a seven play place ribbon
when he was seven years old old. That's not good enough.
I mean that's Tiger Woods. Probably. Do you think Earl
Woods gave him a standing ovation when he finished fifth
when he was eight years old or seven years old?

(38:09):
Of course not now, granted Tiger probably wasn't finishing fifth
many times, but being mentally tough, being physically tough, that
that will always play. Okay, let's dive into start with
Mike Vrabel and then we'll dive into the Packers. It
hit me this weekend watching Vrabel, who you know, just
the ultimate guys guy, What a badass. If he was

(38:33):
the coach of my favorite team or in the city
that I lived, it'd be awesome. He is a He's
a cool mofo. It's hard to not see Mike Vrabel
and go, yeah, that that guy sweet, that that guy
just kicks him ask in his day, looks the part played,
the part now has a team that had no business
being this far in the AFC Championship Game. Incredible story.

(38:56):
But I was thinking about this when I was watching him,
like who is he? And I was got up early
this morning on Monday and had CNBC on in the morning.
There's not much like I can't really do sports TV
or sports talk radio in the morning until like Coward
comes on about nine. I like to get like to
get my mind working a little bit and just have
something on, you know, auxiliary noise in the background, just

(39:19):
have CNBC in the back. And they were talking how
elon Musk like there's never gonna be another Steve Jobs, right,
But he was a pretty unique personality. I bought the
enormous Jobs book. You know, I'm gonna be honest. I
made it through probably forty percent of it. It's huge.
He's nuts. I mean, the guy was certifiably insane. Again

(39:40):
when I talk about usually nut jobs or the guy's
kicking ass, but in a good way and in some
ways bad. I mean it was could be an asshole
to people. But there's not gonna be another Steve Jobs.
But there is kind of somewhat of this unique personality
now in Silicon Valley named Elon Musk, who also if
you've read and just google, like Elon Musk slept in
his office, started all these businesses, some of them failed,

(40:01):
some of them work obviously now as Tesla, just a special,
unique kind of outlier human being. And he's kind of
like Jobs a showman. You know, he's just he's the
closest thing probably to Jobs. Now is he gonna is
Tesla gonna be Apple? I don't know. I mean, right now,
there's stocks over five hundred dollars. But he's just when
you say Elon Musk, kind of like Steve Jobs, he

(40:23):
evokes emotion. You're gonna have an opinion on him. You know,
I get a lot like my brothers in the farming business,
and I bring up, you know, Jeff, you want to
get the Tesla truck. He thought it looks terrible and
then he goes Elon doesn't make any money. Everything subsidized
and he's never really made any money at Tesla. You know,
it's one of those classic kind of tech firms that like,
eventually they got to turn a profit. But Mike Vrabel,

(40:45):
it kind of hit me. Do you know who Mike
Vrabel is? Now? There are differences to this human being.
But Bill Parcels. Bill Parcels was a big guy. He
was a massive personality and he gave zero f's about anything.
He was not scared, zero hesitation going into any game
because the way that he coached, the intensity, the physicality

(41:07):
of his team's defensive oriented guy. And he was just
a badass, like the big Tuna. Like I'm not talking
Dallas Cowboys mid two thousands big Tuna. I'm talking Giants
in the mid eighties with Parcels by his side, that
big Tuna, the guy who was constantly screaming at players,
screaming at opponents. It was like this guy is sweet,

(41:28):
the one guy who could go toe to toe with
Walsh and gave Walsh fitz him and Belichick. And I
think when you look at Vrabel, you go, this guy
has a little parcels to him. Now, the twenty twenty version,
you know he's he's probably not as big of an asshole.
And I think some people would tell you, like Peter
King that covered him, like Bill Parcells actually a nice guy.
Now I think he could be like kind of a

(41:49):
dick if you're working for him, and just the intensity
of being around him all the time. But that's a
football coach. I think it's stressed out. But like when
I see any clip that goes viral of Mike Vrabel's
screaming at opponents. One reason, if I saw like Freddie
Kitchen screaming at an opponent like telling him f you,
calling him whatever, I'd be like, Freddie, You're the biggest
clown of all time. When Rabel's doing it, I go, yeah,

(42:12):
Mike Vrabel thinks he would beat that guy up right
now without zero hesitation, and he'd probably be right. And
there is some Parcelsian kind of parallels to Mike Vrabel
that I see of just this leader of he has
a team that isn't quite as talented of the team
he's taken on. Now underrated part about the Tennessee Titans.
They have talent. I mean, they have a good offensive line,

(42:35):
they have a star running back, they have a star
rookie wide receiver, they have excellent defensive lineman. Where Shaun Evans,
the linebacker from Alabama, number fifty four, has really become
a player. And never say the guy's name right number
thirty one, the safety, the guy that Dion Sanders didn't
know who he was, who was like an All Pro.
He's a stud. Their corners have improved a lot, like
they have a talented team. But Vrabel has these guys

(42:57):
believing like they could take on the eighty five Bears
or the eighty four or forty nine Ers or you know,
the ninety three Cowboys and they shouldn't. And to me,
that's a parcels like characteristic in quality because you look
at him, just his intensity, won just his size. Now
he's unique because he played and he played for a
long period of time for Belichick. And I see this

(43:19):
a lot on Twitter, like can we just stop acting
like Vrabel coach for Bill Belichick. No, he didn't coach
for Bill Belichick, but he was the guy's team captain
for several years and he was one of the key
players on a stretch where they won three Super Bowls

(43:39):
in one of the years where they went undefeated and
lost in the Super Bowl, Like, this guy had a vital,
vital role. So when Bill Belichick was instilling these complex
game plans of that he's known for, right of taking
your number one, whatever makes your offense tick, he's gonna
take away. Well, that's how Mike Vrabel thinks because he

(44:00):
was a part of the installation of those game plans
as the team leader with Teddy Bruski and Rodney Harrison
to install that with his team, and then he was
on the field to execute it. And clearly he's a
cerebral type guy despite being six four, two sixty whatever
he is. And then he immediately got into coaching when
he was done playing, worked for Urban Meyer, worked for
Bill O'Brien, Belichick guy, and now is running his own

(44:23):
team and just kicking ass and taking names. Now. I
think if you google Parcels, it took him a little longer,
you know, to kind of get a shot. Maybe he
became a head coach. You know, maybe in his mid forties.
Now I think vrabel is also in his mid forties,
but clearly a big portion of that in his twenties
and thirties, he wasn't coaching. He was playing, but he
was probably doing a lot of coaching like stuff when

(44:46):
he was a player because of the way he studied.
He wasn't the best athlete. He wasn't, you know, the
most talented guy, even though I think he was, you know,
a mid round pick and then he bounced around on
practice squads. But he's just he's got it and it's
it's pretty clear. And if you watch football long enough,
which everyone listening to this probably has, you know, this

(45:06):
guy's pretty special. And I do think like he's not Belichick,
He's really much closer to Parcels. And when you look
at the Packers one thing, like I kind of fall
with Colin on this, I don't think they're that good.
But you're fourteen and three, you're in the NFC Championship game,
You've had a hell of a season. You still have

(45:27):
Aaron Rodgers, the first ballot Hall of Famer. You still
have Davante Adams, who's one of the I don't know,
seven or eight best wide receivers in the league where
their franchise really changed. And I think if you're McCarthy, now,
I get you're with Jerry right now and you're walking
around the Star in Dallas and you're checking your bank
account and the new direct deposits are coming in. You're

(45:48):
feeling good, but you gotta go. You know what, Ted
Thompson really screwed me over the years. Now, we don't
have unlimited budgets like Jerry Jones or Jeffrey Lewie or
Stan Cronky. But in the NFL everyone has money. Even
the broke guys like Mike Brown and Mark Davis get
a big check from the league so we can afford
to pay for players. But Ted Thompson fundamentally disagreed with

(46:11):
signing guys outside the organization. Really, in the last twenty
eight twenty nine years, they've done it three times, Reggie White,
Charles Woodson, and really Charles Woodson didn't cost as much.
And this year's Darius Smith, who also when you look
at his number, only got twenty million dollars guaranteed. So
Darius Smith changed their franchise because whenever I watch him

(46:31):
in their winning and clearly they do a lot of winning.
They've won fourteen games. He is unblockable. They put him inside,
they put him outside against the run, obviously against the past,
he has been a force. You can't list five better
defensive front players this season than him. Hell, you might
not be able to list three better ones. Maybe Derek
Watt had a better season. Not Derek Watt, t J Watt,

(46:54):
Khalil Mac didn't you know think it. We'll find me
the best Shaquille Barrett. Maybe with Tama, but he wasn't
really playing now. I know they battled back, but they
were three and seven at one point in time, Zadarius Smith.
The Packers were at a great record, and we're kind
of setting the tone, you know, all season long. So

(47:15):
I think that the Packers, I give them credit that
Gudakins clearly just didn't follow the Ted Thompson blueprint because
it worked, I mean for a long period of time.
Operating like Ted Thompson drafting, developing around far and Rogers
led to a ton of wins, division championships, playoff victories,
but usually expose them in the playoffs because we go, god,

(47:38):
they're a little soft. Well, when you got Zadarius and Preston.
They're not soft at all. Their dbs all hit. Really.
Their weakness is probably linebacker. But signing players like you
gotta sign players you need to supplement. You're not gonna
bat a thousand in the draft. Even if you're doing
good in drafting fifty percent, you're gonna have a ton
of holes. Look at the Patriots historic They've signed guys

(48:02):
Chris Hogan, Burke burkehead of Stefan Gilmore, signed Jamie Collins back,
Patrick Chung back. Now, granted they drafted some of those guys,
but Gilmore is a good example, and definitely on offense.
They've signed a ton of guys over the years. Look
at the fort Look at this forty nine er team.
They traded and paid d Ford. They went and signed
Richard Sherman, Like those guys are pretty important in what

(48:25):
they do. They signed Kyle Uschik, made him the highest
paid fullback of all time. Been worth every penny, every
stinking penny. So if you're gonna make a run, look
at the Look at the uh the Campac Chiefs, Boom
Honey Badger change their defense. Also offensively. Now they overpaid

(48:45):
this guy a little bit, but he is pretty important.
And makes them really potent. In Sammy Watkins, once upon
a time they signed Mitchell Schwartz as a free agent,
like you need. You don't need to be the Yankees
signed like six or seven guys every year because that's
not gonna work, but you do need to isolate three
or four guys every offseason and be aggressive to get him.
And usually you'll probably if you're a good team, end

(49:07):
up with one or two of the three or four
of them. And if you're you got good scouts and
you've isolated and have a good coach and have the
right scheme for those players, it's gonna work. Because a guy,
if he's showing you what he is on tape and
you're gonna ask him to do that same thing for you,
it will work. Where you get in trouble and free
agency is where you see a guy doing something and
then you ask him to do something else. It'd be like,

(49:30):
you're the number one sales guy in Tempe, Arizona, and
I own an IT firm and I pay I double
your salary and then I ask you to code. You'd
be like, well, this is not gonna work. That's essentially
when free agency screws up. If you are a power
running back and then I ask you to be a
third down pass catching back and you're like, why is
this not working? Because that's not what That's not what

(49:51):
he did when you signed him. And I've seen it
firsthand when I was in Philly. We when we signed
Namdi Osama, asked him to play inside and he couldn't
do it and turn he was just over the hill anyway.
But you have to ask guys to do what they're
good at doing, and that's what the Packers have done.
And to me, it starts with the general manager and
the organizational shift on signing and isolating two or three

(50:14):
guys they're impact players in being aggressive to pay them
because yeah, you don't have an owner like Jerry Jones
that has unlimited cash in his bank, but you do
have the NFL check, and that NFL check grows every
year and it's an enormous number and the Packers took
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let's dive into a couple other just headline stories and
you know, other parts of the other games that happened.
Let's start with the Browns. They hired Kevin Stefanski and
the big talk and of course it was after the game.
Is after Minnesota San Francisco game. There's no way the
Browns because it was clear when I fell asleep on
Saturday night. I think there was a report on Friday

(52:26):
Robert Sala was out by the time Saturday came, and
definitely by the night it felt like it was basically
his job. And then in the morning on Sunday it's
reported that Kevin Stefanski's the new Browns coach and Twitter freaks,
how did they watch the game? Did Paul de Podesta,

(52:47):
the baseball guy, watch the game? My answer is no.
Do you know what number and analytical guys believe, especially
from the baseball community, that small sample sizes are meaningless.
There Billy Bean doesn't even watch baseball games. He works out.
If you told me that Paul de Podesta went for
a hike during the Niner Viking game. I would believe

(53:09):
you he was gonna put zero stock. The Niners could
have won that game a hundred to nothing. In Stefanski
and the Vikings and the Kirk Cousins and Dalvin Cook
could have ended that game with minus one hundred yards
could It could have been the worst performance in playoff
or regular season history. And Paul d. Podesta wouldn't have
cared at all. These baseball people, they don't believe in

(53:29):
small sample sizes. They believe in what the masses think.
Paul de Podesta loves that everyone thinks he's an idiot
for hiring this guy. He thinks you guys are the morons.
They're very black and white. It's quantitative. It pumps out
of the Excel spreadsheet, and they believe it. And I
say it all the time. My issue everyone used analytics.
I was doing some accounting today, talk forty times the

(53:52):
combines not too far away. Analytics are a huge part
of anyone's life who lives in normal society. My issue
with the analytical sports movement in football is why can't
anyone ever admit they're wrong? I admit I'm wrong all
the time. I wanted the Niners to draft Quinnin Williams.
Nick Bosa isn't just good, he's the best rookie I've

(54:13):
ever seen since I've been professionally doing this for about
twelve years. He's incredible. I say I'm wrong all the time.
I thought the Vikings would put up more of a fight.
It's like those the number guys never believe they're wrong
because when the number tells them they're right, that's just
they're right. And again it's parts of their brain, like
my brain thrives in the gray areas. A lot of

(54:36):
people that I know they think like that. But I
also know number of people that's just not the way
they think. I've worked with them with the Eagles. They
just you get in an argument. It never ends because
they're never going to back off. Well, I have no
problem changing my opinion if you present me with new information,
I do it all the time. Invest in the company
it starts going backwards. Sold all my Netflix stock about
six months ago. I just didn't like where it was heading.

(54:58):
Now it's actually going back up. But you're crazy if
you're not open minded to anything, but to think that
Paul d. Podesta put much stock in this game. You're
you're crazy because that's not the way the Billy Bean
process and all his minions think it puts. He puts
zero stock in that game. Let me repeat, zero stock
in that game. My big issue with the Browns is

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Paul de Podesta lives in San Diego. It's one of
the most beautiful places I've ever been. I haven't been everywhere,
but I've been a lot of beautiful places, Hawaii, New Zealand, Spain, Italy, Philly.
I'm kidding, but he lives in San Diego. There's not
a human alive that wouldn't rather live in San Diego
than Cleveland. But when your football team is in Cleveland,

(55:44):
you gotta live in Cleveland if you're going to be
the boss. And from the latest reports I've seen, he
doesn't plan on moving to Cleveland yet. On Friday, part
of the reports of this Kevin Stefanski deal, and I
get why Stefanski Robert Sala because I kept tweeting like
these guys should turn down this job. But they probably
both make about a million bucks if Jimmy has them.

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If you're making a million dollars a year and someone
offers you five million dollars a year for five years,
so you could make five million dollars over the next
five years, or you could make twenty five million dollars.
Just basic math. If you're making a hundred grand and
someone offers you five hundred grand for a guaranteed contract
of five years, it's a huge, huge economic difference. But

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to think that you have to present your information to
the analytic group on Friday, and that was one of
the reports to me, is acidinine because one that structure
isn't going to work because you should be working hand
in hand with them throughout the week. There shouldn't be
some like come to Jesus moment at the end of
the week. And there specially shouldn't be that situation when

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these coaches work crazy hours. They get there at the
crack of dawn, they don't leave till midnight Monday, basically
through Thursday. It is a grind. And to have this
guy that's living by the beach, I'm sure living like
a king where they all wish they would be, especially
November and December when it starts getting cold and snowy,
flying out every Friday. Hell, maybe even teleconferencing in from

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his place in San Diego and then dictating what you're
going to do in the game plan. We're dealing with
humans here, not robots. If that is the setup, it
is going to be the biggest hire fire in American history,
not just in sports, but in American history. That is
destined to be like Freddy Kitchens blew up because Freddy
Kitchens was a moron. This is going to be the

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infighting here. Like we think the Browns have had a
lot of infighting over the last decade. It's about to
really amp up if this is going to be the case.
Because again, just whatever you're whatever you do as a job,
imagine working and this is you know, when I remember
growing up, I was not never the smartest guy in
the group. So I'd always aligned myself with smarter kids
in group projects. They would do the majority of the

(57:55):
work and then I would just write John Middlecoff on
the project and then you get an A. But imagine
if those people you don't know those people, and they
don't want you in their group, and you get in
their group and you try to piggyback the credit. Then
you come in on Friday. They'd be like what have
you been doing all week? It's just it's basic human dynamics.
It is not going to work now. I look at
the thing Jimmy Haslam. I don't know any owners in

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the NFL, so I don't know if it's normal practice
to have a weekly meeting. I understand if you're the
owner of the team, you want to know what goes
right and what goes wrong. But I do think that
you could just because one of the reports is Stavansky
has to meet with Jimmy Haslam every Monday, which I
think if there's an issue, like something happened in the game,
couldn't you just go into his office, you do all

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in the team and just ask them what happened? Do
you have to schedule a weekly meeting? Part of Monday
is one to evaluate what happened in the game, and
then two look forward. I just think that they have
too many chefs in the kitchen right now, and the
best organizations one are all working hand and hand, not

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set for it. And then you get together at the
end of the week and you can start fighting over
what's gonna work and what's not gonna work. The other thing,
you see the playsheet that a Kyle Shanahan, that are
an Andy Read or whoever any coach has. I guess
mcveigh's got a smaller one, but most coaches have pretty
big playsheets. Well, if you read that playsheet like Andy
reads or Kyle Shanahan's, it would if you're speak English,

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it'd be like reading Chinese. You would have no clue
what any of this ship means. So how is Paul
dpidester or one of his minions unless they learn the
offense gonna know? Well, like x Z wing right, razor whatever.
You know, the crazy play calls, I can't even do it.
You know, Tiger left, razor slot, all that stuff. How

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do they even know what that means? So it's like
you've got to turn in the game plan slash playsheet. Okay.
I mean I could hand you a book in Chinese.
If you can't read it, what you could just look
at it all day long and say it's right or wrong.
I think the setup is already a disaster. And I'm
not anti analytics. I'm just anti your analytic guy who's
in charge living in San Diego. When the operations in

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Cleveland like that, that's a joke. And if you can't
see that, then I just maybe we don't live in
the same planet, because that's that's a clear setup that's
not gonna work. One story that came out that was
kind of interesting is that TV networks have been sniffing
around Drew Brees to gauge his interest. Might recommend to Drew,

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as long as someone's willing to pay you twenty to
thirty million dollars a year, and you could lead a
playoff team tv ancho in anywhere now the setup, but
one day it might be on Amazon in five years
or Netflix or you know, Hulu or wherever the hell
it's headed. But Drew, you're gonna be fine play as
long as you can. You've been blessed by the grace
of God to be able to play at a high
level up until your forties. And I think I read

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that he still plans on playing. But like it's cool
that they're gonna call you when you're forty five whenever
you retire. So unlike you know, you saw Jason Witten
who ended up going back. Now part of it he
was bad, like Drew Brees would be good. I think
Drew Brees would be really good. I don't think he'd
be as Romo E. I think he'd be more kind
of like a little more serious, kind of like a
John Lynch. Like John Lynch was really good at TV.

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You know, you don't need to be like we're almost
kind of unique personality. But I think Drew Brees would
be destined if he wants to the difference of like
Drew Brees is gonna have hundreds of millions of dollars
in the bank. Now, he loves football, but he also
has little kids. Who knows. But if he wants to
do it, I think he should. There's another big story
by I'm not trying to not give credit. I just

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forget the something you know, Front Office Network or something
that ESPN. Of course, Booker's not coming back, thank god, Hud,
nice guy. Just you know, ESPN do better, and they're
trying to. They're gonna offer Tony Romo between ten and
fourteen million dollars to do Monday night football. To me,
he's worth every penny if John Madden was worth eight

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in ninety two. I mean, it's just basic math. The
top guy in twenty twenty should be fifteen. So if
you're Tony Romo, to me, you have leverage. You just
go I will stay at CBS. CBS offers a couple
of things. One, they have the AFC and now, granted
their quarterbacks are getting a little older, I'd argue the NFC,
you got Mahomes, he got Wattson, you got Lamar. Actually

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it's pretty good. But you work with Jim Nance like
you work with a pretty powerful brand. They also have
access to golf, which Tony Romo values a lot. But
money talks shit walks, and if they're gonna offer fourteen million,
CBS is kind of historically cheap. Doubt doubt they match,
so Tony Romo more than likely going to break the bank.
It'll be interesting to see who he hires as his
play by play guy. I mean, when you start paying

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a guy that much, he's gonna dictate who he's gonna
want to be next to him. Lamar Jackson had a
fantastic season, and you know the thing I appreciate much
about Lamar in his worst moment of the year because
he was not good and at thought. Colin did a
good job on Monday breaking it down. Just just watch
the game. You can give me the box score at
the end of the game. The hollow yards in the
second half half were on full display when the game

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was in the balance. In the first half, he was
atrocious turning the ball over. He could have thrown multiple picks.
And yeah, his wide receivers drop some balls. It's freezing cold.
It's hard to catch the ball in inclement weather. When
they can't run the ball, he can't function. And here's
the other thing, Like, no quarterback is ever gonna win
the Super Bowl running around consistently, running around quarterbacks that

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win the Super Bowl. Google it. Throw the football, and
he can throw the football, but he just has to
become more consistent at it. He had a fantastic season.
He earned the MVP, but he's not the best quarterback
in the league. Mahomes is better. Russell Wilson's better. We'll
just use those guys for I was gonna say Brady,
but Brady didn't play that well. But those two guys

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are like. No one in the NFL, not one human being,
would take Lamar Jackson over Mahomes if they could choose
right now, Just like if I had to pick for
the next five years, I'd take Russell Wilson over Lamar Jackson.
Remember when they gamed Bill Polian for picking Russell Wilson
First Team All Pro Like, did you watch the two
guys this weekend? Do they play the same sport as
a thrower? Just ask yourself that. And I'm not anti

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Lamar Jackson because I really respect the way he conducted
himself in his postgame press conference. He's really mature. He's
the opposite of kind of what Baker's become. He He's
an impressive guy. He's he's easy to root for, he's young.
He just needs to keep adapting and he'll be okay Seattle.
I've never seen a team quite like it. Not much talent,

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but just heart, toughness, and obviously the quarterback is He's
one of the most special players I've ever seen. He
really is. And I don't know when it's all said
and done what his numbers will look like. But for example,
like Drew Brees, Drew Brees is like a fringe, borderline
top ten quarterback of all time, you know, somewhere between
like eight to twelve. When it's all said and done.

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Would you rather have Russell Wilson for ten years in
his prime or Drew Brees for ten years in his prime?
Do I take Russell Wilson? And I mean they both
have a Super Bowl. Russell's obviously been into Drew can't
make it pass like the first round of the playoffs.
But Russell is just he's a freak man. He is.
He's everything you want in pro sports. He forces the

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consumer to watch, he makes you feel good about when
you pay a lot of money to attend a game.
It's just he's a special player. He really is, and
I just enjoy watching him. Kirk Cousins man, he he
just is what he is. He's a robot. He is very,
very limited and for the amount of money he got paid,

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he can never live up to it because the reality
with him, he just doesn't possess the talent like Russell, Wilson,
Aaron Rodgers, Mahomes, even Watson. Those guys lamar because there's
so much more talented. Well, when you get to the playoffs,
everyone's talented, right, There's no more shitty teams. You don't
see the Bengals anymore. You don't see a discombobulated Browns.

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You see good teams. Well, you see gonna see good
the highest level of coaches, smart players, because good teams
don't have dumb players, they have smart players. And he
just he doesn't have the ability. As someone in the
league told me, he is a preparation all star, really smart,
which I respect. Works his ass off can come into

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a game. But it's like if you prepare your ass
off for a big meeting or some big you know,
investment strategy, and then you go meet the client, it's
usually not gonna go as planned. Sometimes you gotta ad lib.
Sometimes you gotta hang a left when you thought you
were going to hang it right, and he's just incapable
of doing that. And when your knock is we gotta

(01:06:43):
make him throw, we gotta make him be a drop
back pastor. That's a pretty big red flag. When you
signed an eighty five million dollar contract that was fully guaranteed,
Say that out loud. If you're the Minnesota Vikings and
you signed him to that contract, and the number one
game plan around the league when they play Kirk Cousin,
let's force him to throw. If you're a good team,
I mean, if you don't have bad If you have

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bad corners, they have enough talent they can get you.
But if you got Richard Sherman covering theland, you got problems.
And there was a play in that game where rich
Sherman picked the ball off that Cousins just can't see.
Richard knows the route you're he's running, Kirk, He's standing
right there. Can you not see him? Are you just
so robotic? They're running the right coverage. This is what
I'm gonna do. Rich are smarter than you, and unlike you,

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Richard can't adjust on the fly and he's sitting right
Worth theland is supposed to end his route and Kirk
Cousins hits him in stride. That to me, sums up
Cousins so far as Minnesota career in big games. Okay,
let's do a little middlecough mail bag, bang out a
couple of questions, and get y'all out of here. Hi,

(01:07:49):
John loved the show. Question, who do you think is
gonna be the charge? The next quarterback of the LA Chargers? Well,
I think I was reading today in an MMQB article
that you know the Chargers might franchise him, but it's
not a lock. That'd be Philip Rivers. I don't know.
I mean call me. I always lean like, of course
you're not gonna let the quarterback go. But at thirty

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eight years old, the season he had, I'm a Rivers guy,
but he looked kind of washed that it kind of
felt like it's just over now. Teams hate just letting
a guy go for nothing, But what's what are you
gonna do if you franchise and trade him. Maybe they're
nervous if they don't. If they don't franchise him and
let him walk, he goes like the Raiders. Who would

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the Chargers get a quarterback? I mean they do draft high,
they could draft Herbert. They could always sign like a
bridge like Dalton or something. But then you're asking yourself,
why don't we just franchise Rivers? But do you want
to pay Rivers like almost thirty million dollars At this point,
I don't really see it. So I would lean like
a Dalton type guy in draft Herbert. Huge fan of

(01:08:54):
the show and a fan of the Colts. Going to
the next season. Does the front office realize that Kobe
should not be our quarterback? Any chance we trade up
for two of maybe sign Cam Rivers or Brady? Yeah,
I think they would be in the I think they'd
be all over Philip Rivers. I think they'll be all
over Brady. I think you could argue Andy Dalton's a
better player than Jacoby, at least he was like when

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he was playing earlier in his career. I don't know
if you trade up and draft someone, just given that
so many teams need quarterbacks, so many teams are already
up there, I don't know if that's really an option.
So I would say that Jacoby, maybe they bring in
a little competition. You know, I keep using Andy Dalton, Mariota,

(01:09:37):
maybe try to resurrect his career. Maybe trade for like
a Nick Foles, do something like that. You know, your
options are pretty limited. People keep asking about these quarterbacks.
Let's just let's just list them right now, just off
the top of my head. We got Brady who is
a free agent. We got Rivers who's a free agent
who looks like they might not tag him, or fifty
fifty breeze free agent, but he'll never leave. Foles the

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flip got fired, so they could have a new offensive coordinator.
Could be on the move. Dalton, he'll be on the
move because Burrow will be there. Cam potentially, I don't know.
I have no clue what Matt Rule thinks of Cam.
If I had to guess right now, Matt Rule probably
just goes one year with Cam. Just sees it sees
how it goes. Remember Chip Kelly when he got to Philly,
he kept Michael Vick. So not that obviously Cam's career

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in Carolina's better than Vix and Philly. It was just
kind of the one year. But you get what I'm saying, like,
you just need a quarterback, and I'm trying to think Mariota.
It's not as many guys you think, you know, it's not.
There's not seven Joe Montana's out there, So you just
kind of is what it is. I mean, Jacoby at
it is just a good backup. That's just kind of

(01:10:45):
what he is. But you're kind of stuck with him.
Everybody talked about Jason Garrett's contract expiring on January fourteenth.
If the Cowboys had made the NFC Title Game or
the Super Bowl, would his contract of automatically extended until
their season ended, or would the Cowboys and Garrett have
had to sign an amendment to extend his contract. Yeah.
I think you see a lot of guys in a
lot of assistance. You know, their contracts end that kind

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of date, you know, first or second week of the season,
and if you make it the Super Bowl, you just
it just rolls over, not like another year, but you
just get paid, Like if you're making a million dollars,
must be nice. Whatever that direct deposit is. I think
you just get it like for the other week. That's
a pretty good question. I'd have to ask someone in
the league that deals with that. But yeah, I don't

(01:11:28):
think you have to like, you don't need to resign anything.
You just kind of work on no contract at that rate,
which luckily if you're in an NFL coach. I mean, Jason,
what was Jason Garrett making like seven million dollars, so
he probably could have made it two weeks even if
they didn't pay him, he would have been Okay, here's
my question. I'm a Rutgers fan. What do you think

(01:11:50):
of Greg Shiano. I've never really been a fan, but
I do think he's perfectly suited for Rutgers. My first
year at Fresno State in two thousand and eight, I
was a GA. We played Rutgers and he had the
mccordy brothers. He had I think Ray Rice was already
in the league. He had a couple other NFL guys

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Kenny Britt maybe on that team, and he's just perfectly
suited for that he really is. I was against when
Tennessee and the fans revolted. I always thought they were right.
He didn't belong in the South. He belongs in the Northeast.
That's just kind of his in college football, unless you're
an elite coach, which he's not, like an Urban Meyer

(01:12:31):
or even Nick Saban. You know, Chris Peterson. You can
coach anywhere, but most guys, the majority of guys, need
to coach, and like Dabbo Eddio the South, Jimbo the South,
Jim Harbot would not do well in the South. Jim
Harbo is a West Northeast guy, right. Urban Meyers an outlier.
You can put Urban at Florida, you can put him

(01:12:53):
at USC, you can put Ohio State, put him at Washington.
He's gonna kick everyone's ass. For as much shit as
I talked about Urban Meyer, I think he's a great
coach coach, and he transcends wherever he goes. Nick Nick
probably even more than Urban probably does just belong in
the South. And you look at the jobs. I know
he was at Michigan State, and he's such a good coach.
He would work anywhere too. But he's really suited for

(01:13:14):
the South, like urban probably is perfectly suited for Ohio
State or even USC because I do think regions matter
when in college. In the pros, it doesn't like Matt Rule.
He could have coached the Panthers. You gotta coach the Chargers.
You could to coach the you know, the Seattle Seahawks.

(01:13:35):
It wouldn't matter. Like Pete Carroll, Look look where he's
really done damage USC in Seattle, like the West coast
culture kind of fits him. My question is Alex Smith
coming back? And if he does, should the Redskins start
him over Haskins. Well, if Alex Smith is healthy, which
is a big if. I mean his leg basically almost
fell off, and that video I don't know if you
saw it, but it went viral like a month ago

(01:13:56):
of his wife it's like pretty touching him. It was
hard not to like get teary eyed that like him
rehabbing of that leg. But it looks like he's like trying.
I mean, I don't know, he'll have to get clear
to play. If he can get clear to play, and
he's one hundred percent, yeah, I mean he's a better
he's a better player than Haskins. Now he missed this
entire year. He missed the majority of last year, so
he's missed a lot of time. Why do you think

(01:14:17):
Pete Carroll has never won Coach of the Year John
Schnyder GM of the Year with both of their recent success,
can't even talk love the show. I don't know. It's
a good question. I mean, Pete, I'd have to look
back on those the years when he made runs to
the Super Bowl, like who won it that year? Belichick?
Probably not. I don't know, you know, It's just I

(01:14:39):
think Coach of the Year is a pretty pretty hollow award.
I don't even really think who cares? You know, Pete
Carroll's kicking everyone's ass every year, He's going to the
playoffs every year he won a Super Bowl. So yeah,
I wouldn't put much into that. I'm a big fan
of the podcast all the way in Brazil. That's cool.
I really enjoy listening to you around you and Colin.
I was doing a little research and I'd like to
ask you a question. It's pretty clear to the Broncos

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will cut Flacco this offseason, at least they should, right, Yes,
what were they thinking? I really don't know me either.
If they do, he will be responsible for deadcap money
on back to back years in different teams, a total
of almost thirty million dollars. That's got to be some
kind of record. Is there any way to finding that out?

(01:15:24):
Keep in mind it's the same contract, Denver just made
some cap adjustments. That's a hell of a question. Yeah,
I could probably text some people. I don't. I don't
know if you can like run queries on that. I'm
sure NFL people can. Odell Beckham cost I guess you
know he's gonna be on the Browns this year or so,
it won't really matter, but he cost the Giants last
year like twenty million dollars on dead cap, so that

(01:15:45):
every year guys cost money on dead cap. I think
Dez Bryant and Tony Romo this year cost money for
the Cowboys dead cap. I'm like ninety nine percent positive
that Tony Romo and Dez Bryant because moving signing bonus
money back is just kicking the can down the road.
It's like a credit card. Eventually that credit card payment

(01:16:05):
is due, whether it's due now, whether it's doing six months,
whether it's doing five years, you have to pay the money,
you know. And Jerry Jones was king of that. He
pushed all their money back, money back, money back, and
Flacco a little bit like that because he signed those
enormous contracts, and it was that's why the Ravens were
always letting sweet free agents walk because they had so

(01:16:25):
much money on Flacco. You're right stuck to your guns.
I took the Titans. Love it. It's Lamar versus the
Chargers Part two. But you can claim zero credit sports right, Yeah.
I mean it's just Lamars struggling the playoffs. No, there's
just no way around it. He just the playoffs has
thrown him off. I was wondering if you would like

(01:16:46):
to do an interview on a podcast I co host
called The Two Point Conversion. This is a political free
podcast where we just talk about football. Please let me
know my phone number is. I'm not gonna read your
phone number out loud. Okay, I'll I'll shoot you at DM.
Maybe I could get on that podcast. I do other
random podcasts here and there. Lamar Jackson played well year,
but most of the time he had an early lead

(01:17:07):
against the Titans, they were behind and struggled amount a comeback.
It's apparent that quickly became frustrated and then self imploded
and he met adversity during the game. Do you think
it's immaturity played a role in his poor performance? I
think when you, I'm gonna say, would you use the
word immaturity, you're using it as a player because he
actually a really mature guy. Just the way he handles himself.

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I mean he like relative to Baker, it's not even close. Yeah.
I just think it's difficult for them the way their
offense built. I tweeted this during the game. The Bills
and the Ravens have inaccurate quarterbacks. I mean Lamar can
be accurate, but in rhythm like he's hit or miss.
Josh is much more inaccurate, and they surround him by

(01:17:49):
a bunch of midget wide receivers. Now, the Ravens, in fairness,
have a couple of tight ends. They got Andrews, they
got the redhead Hayden Hurst, so they got some big bodies.
But like Mark's Brown, Hollywood Brown, who's awesome, can fly,
he's tiny. Like you know what you need, Like I'm
watching an extra championship game. You need to get Lamar
and Josh Allen, some of these dudes, Higgins, Jefferson, Chase

(01:18:14):
get them some dudes with huge catching radiuses. It's hard.
It's one thing when you're Peyton Manning or Drew Brees
and you can close your eyes and hit a guy
in the in the in the hands. It's another thing
when you're not that accurate and throw into a bunch
of little, tiny guys like you need some size for
these guys. A huge fan of the Pod can't believe

(01:18:35):
the Texans vers Chiefs game right now? What is your
my bookie promo? Coding Ham and the number one? It
was a crazy game. Okay, mail back, good day from
show in Australia. As a Texans fan watching this implosion today,
would love to get your thoughts on whether Bill O'Brien

(01:18:55):
stays as the head coach. In my opinion, we definitely
need a GM and potentially in OC in the off season.
He's just say, but who would you hire? Well, Bill
O'Brien said today that they're not going to hire a
general manager, and I mean he's gonna keep calling the plays.
So I feel for you, man, I just I don't know.
He just struggles. He needs some help. He needs people

(01:19:19):
in his life to tell him like, no, this is
not a good idea or no, don't do this, and
he clearly doesn't have any of those odds. Andy retires
after this year if he finally gets a ring. Had
an argument with someone the other day about this topic.
Would love to hear your thoughts. I think there would
be zero and I repeat absolutely zero chance. I'd say

(01:19:39):
the number one reason he wouldn't retire is he loves football,
absolutely loves football like it's side his wife and kids
as his life. Two two words, Patrick Mahomes. Three. He
makes a lot of money. I mean, we're a lot
of money. So when you factor in you love what
you do, you get paid a boatload of cash. You

(01:20:02):
got a sweet job. I mean he's got it. The
Chiefs is a great job. Clark. I don't even think
Clark Hunt lives in Kansas City. He lives in Dallas.
And then you have I don't know, the greatest quarterback
prospect just in terms of like cool to watch like
Andrew Locke was really good, but he wasn't always that
fun to watch like since far so I know, I'd

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say the chances at zero, like legitimately zero, that he retires.
I know, you think the Colt's best chance to grab
a quarterback is in the free agent market. How crazy
is that that we think we could or should trade
for car or Stafford and if we did get one
of these quarterbacks Brady Rivers, do you think it would
be smart to still draft a quarterback like from or Hurts? Well,

(01:20:45):
I wouldn't draft Hurts. If you could trade for Stafford,
I would do that if I if I was the
Colts and I could trade for Matt Stafford, I would
do that. If I could trade for Car, Cars probably
better than Jacoby, but he makes a lot of money,
so you'd have Car. Same with Stafford. So I don't
know what, Like, that's a lot of money to be
paying two quarterbacks. It's kind of a it's kind of

(01:21:07):
a tough situation, it really is. I don't know if
there's a good answer. It's just, you know, to be
honest with you, it's kind of the shitty part in
being in the quarterback purgatory mode. You're just always like,
what should we do? Should we sign a free agent
quarterback Tom Brady? Well, like Tom Brady sounds great in theory,
and he's still a good player, but he has forty
three year old Tom Brady. You're not getting like thirty

(01:21:28):
three year old in his prime. Tom Brady, Well, how
about Philip Rivers? You mean the guy that was thirty
eight and kind of look washed last year. You know,
the best option would be Drew Brees. And I've had
some people dming me why wouldn't Drew brees is go
to the Colts? Like why would he just stay with
the Saints if they want him back? That team's better
and he already knows the coach and they're already on
the same page. Like what would be the difference? Now

(01:21:49):
you could argue the NFC, the road might be harder. Like,
let's just look next year. Who's gonna be good in
the AFC? The Chiefs more unlike they're gonna be defending champs.
They're gonna be sweet. The Titans. But look at the Titans,
like they got a couple of question marks. Tanny Hill
and Derrick Henry are free agents. Now you can franchise
and transition tag both the Texans are still gonna be around.

(01:22:10):
Patriots will be back, Colts will be sneaky, you know,
there's not. The Ravens obviously will be good. The AFC
kind of sucks. Look at the NFC, I mean the
Chiefs are really good. But look at the NFC. You
gotta have the forty nine Ers are gonna be really
good again. The Rams are solid. Seattle Seattle, the Packers
are all coming back. You know. If if the Bear

(01:22:32):
somehow can get a quarterback, they'll be decent. Who am
I missing? The Vikings will be a ten eleven, you
know nine somewhere in their win team. The Eagles will improve,
They'll be better. The Cowboys could be dramatically better with
Mike McCarthy, you know. So it's just the Falcons in
theory shouldn't start so frequent slow. The Redskins could be

(01:22:55):
more competitive, they got a real coach. So it's just
I think the NFC staff it really held. The Cardinals,
who are one of the worst teams in the NFC,
are like sneaky, not bad, but Tampa Bay was. Tampa
Bay's record like seven to nine with Jamis through thirty
two picks. Imagine if Jamis Justis throws eighteen picks, it
might be ten wins. I'm a Giants fan. Should I

(01:23:15):
be worried about the Joe Judge after he hired Patrick Graham?
When I saw like rap sheet or schefter or whoever
tweeted that Patrick Graham's their new defensive coordinator. My response was,
who I mean? I know a decent amount of coaches,
but there's now a new kind of cycle of guys
in their mid to early thirties that I've never heard of.
Because these guys are and like you, I'm no different

(01:23:37):
than you guys in the sense of if you're some
thirty one year old coach has been a position coach
for one year, I'm not going to really know who
you are, especially if you're not coming from a big
time college program. These guys are shooting fast up the
ranks so quickly. What's his name? Sean McVay just got
rid of Wade Phillips for a guy that's been the
NFL for three years as a position coach for Fangio. Now,

(01:24:00):
if I'm getting Vic Fangio Junior, I'm feeling pretty good.
But this guy's been in the in the NFL for
three years and you're that's who you're replacing Wade Phillips,
Like that's that's a pretty bold move. They're cotton. What
do you think of the Packers need to do to
beat the Niners. I think they need to get the Niners.
To turn the ball over, they're gonna need to probably
force multiple interceptions with Jimmy and probably create a fumble.

(01:24:23):
So I would say the turnover they got to win
at like two or three days zero, you know, and
if they turn the ball over once that number, there
still has to be two to three buffer. So it's
I think the only chance the Packers have to win
the game is to turn them over, and the Niners,
you know, if they don't let Jimmy loose because they're
running the ball. He's throwing a lot of high, high

(01:24:44):
percentage completions, you know. So it's just you know, he
threw a pick, but he can get rattled when he
faces really good defensive coordinators and you throw off his
you know, you throw off the coverages. I mean, he
just didn't see Eric Kendricks, who's just a really good player.
I think he thought to get it over him. It
was a good play by Kendricks, but likes Blague Martinez,
gonna make that play. Now your dbs can pick the

(01:25:04):
ball off. You know, the Niners are pretty well equipped
to just neutralize the front. It's hard. I mean, the
Packers just aren't as good as the Niners. Now, Rogers
is a stud, but you know he's got one sweet
wide receiver, so he's at somewhat of a of a disadvantage.
Appreciate everyone listening, Enjoy the week, and I'll talk to

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