In this episode, Doug explains why there would be no going back from a Coach K proposed all inclusive 2021 NCAA Tournament, gives his analysis of the Lakers and Clippers Western Conference Semifinals performances so far, and previews what seems like their inevitable WCF matchup. Oregon St. Asst. - and brother - Gregg Gottlieb joins the pod to discuss Michael Porter, Jr.'s public comments questioning his coaches, and the fallout from Nuggets teammates and coaches. Make sure you download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts!
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Gottlieb Show. Let me get to one one story in basketball,
it's the idea the acc proposed of having basically like
the old school Indiana basketball everybody gets in NCAA tournament.
I don't hate the idea, I really don't. I just
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there's a lot of unintended consequences of it. And the
biggest unintended consequence would be that once you allow that
to happen, it's really hard to go back right. It
just is you know what is that once the once
the genie is out of the bottle, that's that's the expression.
There's no three wishes here that puts them back in
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the bottle, And you can't wish for the genie's freedom,
even though that eventually happened at the end of Aladdin, Genie,
you're free, um. But but what I think is is
interesting about it is like, look, Mike Schevsky obviously is
as well respected a guy as there is. He's an
incredible coach, an ambassador for the game, and I do
think that a lot of it comes from the goodness
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of his heart. But there is the other side to it,
which is there's a reality to college sports financially suffering,
and this would lessen the financial burden and all these
schools to put on games, because that burden would be
placed upon the NCAA, not upon the members schools or
their conferences for their conference tournament. It's not a terrible idea,
it's just not one that's really able to be exercised.
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And what it does is it says your regular season
didn't mean anything, which it won't mean a ton anyway,
and now it would mean nothing at least for this year.
And once you include everybody, it's really hard to start
being exclusive starting back now, Oh, next year, we'll go
back to not letting everybody in. Good luck with that.
That doesn't usually happen. We didn't go from sixty four
to sixty five to sixty eight teams and then people
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go like, let's go back to sixty four. That doesn't happen.
So look, does does everybody getting in sound like a
good idea? Sure? I had lots of questions. You know,
what do you do to ESPN, who had to have
all those conference championships and provides so much of the
money that that's used by those conferences. This would CBS
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in turn be willing to pay more. I think the
answer is yes, but more than anything, like is that
really what the tournament's about? And I do understand for
one year, you know, for one year you can make
a lot of adjustments, I mean a lot of adjustments
to what you want to do. So I get it.
I just don't think it's likely to happen. And although
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there's no reason to not think that. I love that
these conferences are expanding the number of conference conference games.
I think you should play everybody in your conference twice
and there's other games, all right, you can play all
buy games outside that, and I play a tournament like
that's not let's roll. I also like the idea of
pushing back. The season should have been pushed back a
long time ago. Thanksgiving is a perfect time to have
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your first, you know, your first tournaments of the you know,
your first tournament of the of the year, and then
play a couple of games and don't play maybe another
tournament in Christmas time, and then play conference games when
students get back onto campus. I think all of those
things should in fact happen. Let's turn to the NBA,
where I've watched a lot of the Lakers, and I
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gotta tell you that there are parts of Lebron James
game which are still kind of missing. I don't know
what's going on the free throw line, the post game
is still and there seems to be times which he's
not trusting his gem shot And you're like, well, hater, no,
but the athleticism is insane for a guy his age
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and at his body size, and two, the effort defensively
is pretty incredible. That's really kind of what it comes
down to. The effort defensively is just magnificent. And you know,
I think of it and I look at it, and
I'm like, man, that guy is just such a competitor
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that he has guys playing at a level so far
above defensively what they should be playing. Great leadership. I
don't know if they have overall what it takes to
beat the Clippers. But the Clippers are so hit and missed,
you know, Paul George is so up and down here
in the playoffs. Kawhi is great. He's the best player.
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And I think that having Kawai and Paul George, who
can both guard Lebron James Montres a little bit. The
problem is that the Clippers don't have anybody who can
really guard Anthony Davis. And now that Anthony Davis after
the first game of the playoffs with the Houston Rockets,
he seems to two things. One have gotten clearer sightlines,
posting him up more kind of quick posting him and
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have him going really quickly, and just being more dominant inside.
Now he's playing against Mighty Mites, right, That's what he's
playing against, playing against Mighty Mites, the Houston Rockets. But
it's the way in which he's competing that's really what's special. Now.
As for the Clippers, I don't mind Patrick Beverley talking trash.
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I think Hawai is the best player. I do think
that there's there's something missing there and maybe they misplayed
this thing. The Clippers didn't think they would be great
until March or April, and then of course once March
came around, we had to shut it down and they
were still kind of rounding into shape. I think now
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you start to figure, you start to understand that they
weren't right then. And maybe I thought little extra training camp,
extra lead up games, but they never had their whole team.
I question whether or not they'll be able to have
that have that type of cohesion. And five as one,
they played game four of the series with the Nuggets.
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That's about as good as you can play defensively, like
the Nuggets can. Michael Border Junior can sit there and
we're gonna talk about him with my brother Greg, what
his comments. They can sit there and say we need
to move the ball more. But the difference that you
have two great players and they just chose to play
great defense. They bought in from the second that there
was a jump ball. Really to the end of the game.
That type of efforts weren't gonna take to beat the Lakers,
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who play with the same type of defensive intensity. The
Lakers just don't have the surrounding scoring that the Clippers have.
All right, let's welcome him in. He's a long time
twenty five year assistant in college basketball. He's also my
brother and he appears again on the podcast. He's the
coach Greig gottlieb Okay, So Greg, let me let me
get your take on Michael Porter Jr. Who really talented kid.
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You know, his dad's been an assistant on the women's
side at Missouri and then of course the men's side
at Washington and then was an assistant when his son
was a player at Missouri and m MBJ he didn't
was he rookie this year? Last year? Right didn't play
his first year and he has had some scoring outbursts
in the bubble. But it's more what he said after
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they lost what feels like a deciding you know, like
almost a series clinching Game four, where he called out
his coaching staff for not utilizing everybody. Right, he did
say that Yo Kitchen and Jamal Murray are great players,
but hey, we got to get more people involved the
coach in you how does how does that land in
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a coach's locker room? Well, first of all, you know,
I think the context you watch it, and uh, you know,
like you said, he was a rookie last year, but
he didn't play at all last year, so this is
really his first year, and I'm looking at it like
he made a rookie mistake with the media too, you know,
and especially in the playoffs in this situation, I think
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they kind of walked him into that question and he
kind of I think he went down that road before
he realized maybe what he did. But you know, as
a coach, you know you can't you can't be uh,
you don't want to be questioning the tactics or what
you're doing in the media by any stretch. I think
that kind of undermines the group as a whole. Those
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are definitely things that need to be taken in the
context of in the locker room and things that don't
leave the locker room. But again, I think he kind
of gotten he got baited into that, and then I
think he kept going, um, not realizing what he had done.
I would bet he probably is looking back saying I
probably shouldn't have done that, you know, but the damage
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is done. I also think though this is something that
you know, I talked about at the time. You know,
he is he and and Trey Young is you know,
they played it together obviously in AU basketball, but they're
they're one of the same, and that their dads were players,
their dads have protected them. They're they're like bubble boys
a little bit where they haven't had as many normal
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interactions with teammates, with the media, they haven't had the
ups and downs, like it's like in an effort to
produce these super talented, um offensive players, like there's there's
some normal kind of on a connective tissue that that's
kind of missing and how they interact with other people
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right like um And it doesn't make them bad people,
and it doesn't make their parents bad people, but it
does there's there's an arrested development there where they're not
they they want to sound and be professional, and they
do on the on the surface make that appearance, but
the reality is they're just kids who haven't experienced lots
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of things, like they ain't experienced playing with the type
of hardcore dude that puts them up against the wall
and be like, yo, who you talking to? Or hey, bud,
Until you can actually guard somebody, you shouldn't be speaking
on anything else going on in the NBA. These two
things would be would be accurate. And I agree with
anyone who says, like, well, there wasn't anything sinister about
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it because he's talking about his whole team and how
good his whole team is. Like, yeah, but that doesn't
that doesn't make that doesn't help you win games. It
only hurts you. There's nothing Ted is going to help
anybody win a game. Well, again, you got to take
the other side of the context, though, right, I mean,
he played one game at Missouri I think, and then
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had a back issue, and so you know, and then
and then really didn't didn't do anything last year, and
and he's just starting to play, so all of a sudden,
this is really he's had very little interaction with the media,
I think, even despite the fact that he was the
number one player in his class. You know, when you're
when you're rein recruited in high school, you know, all
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the interaction is how great you are. There's really no
there's you know, you don't see the downside. You're not
getting walked into things like this, So you know, I
would chalk it up to his inexperience in terms of
handling that. I think, you know, all good players, especially
as you go up, they all have an opinion. I mean,
he's played for some good coaches, he's he is a coach,
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his son, so he's going to have an opinion. Those
are those are all valid things that he talked about
that would happen. Uh, you know, you might discuss with
your team or with the coaching staff when it comes
down to trying to figure out you know, I think
he came from the context of what we got to
do to win. So I think all those things were good.
I just think again, can't say that stuff to the
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me in the media, And then you've got to be
smart enough to know when they're baiting you to say that,
because I mean, that's that's all those guys are looking for.
I mean that, you know, kulos So the guy that
did that asked the questions that they walked him right
into that um. But that's where I think the biggest
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a negative like you're the undertones. You're so negative about
the media, right like like, it's all one of them.
It's like yeah, and by the way, if you're on
a podcast, you're you're actually kind of a but yeah
one too. Sure. Yeah, So I don't I don't think.
I mean, I like, look, you're gonna tell me what
you're gonna tell me. Nobody can force you to give
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me any sort of answers that you don't want to provide.
You know, if I ask you, hey, what would you do,
what would you do differently? Or what do you think
of your team's approach, it's up to you. A said,
I mean, he's not a dummy. Yes, he's inexperienced and
he's young, but he's not dummy. He's able to form
his own sort of opinion and way of talking about
and painting it. But I don't. Yeah, I think you
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know that when you're in experience, you know, you you
you get into a conversation and you don't realize you
know how important it is you know the words you choose,
or when you need to know sometimes when you you
need to end end it and control it to control
the interview. If you're if you're in that position, and
so if you you know, like I said, they asked
him that they asked him a couple of questions. He
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answered it honestly, maybe a little bit too honest given
the as I said. But then then the follow up
question after that, I think that's where he called went
a little clue far, And that's where as an experienced guy,
you you know, you find a way to navigate around
that so that you don't become quick bait. You know,
right now, you know he's trending because of all that.
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You know, so that let me, let me, let me play,
let me play, let's let's play that. Let's play that
sound here, let's side take a listen to the play,
cause it's really up to the coaches who they want
to put them put the ball in whose hand? Um?
We kept going to yoaka mall um, and that's you know,
I think that's there's there're two amazing players, so you
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can never get mad at that. But I just think
to beat that team, we got to get more players involved.
We got to move the ball a little bit better.
I mean, it had kind of worked right, Like I
don't know, Jamal Murray has been so impressive to me,
Like I had no idea he had this in him,
did you, well, I think he Yeah, I think last
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year even he had some big time moments. But you know,
Denver's not a team that you watched all the time
unless you're in the Denver market. So, um, I thought
he was a hell of a player. Um, obviously he's
just continued to send to you know, Um he's risen
an occasion for sure. Um. And and I love Yoka,
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but I mean and I don't think even right there's
would got him in trouble. I think to follow up
after that, you know, he kept going, I think that
that point he's saying, you know, not just you know,
those guys have got to be able to to we
got to balance. We need to balance scoring attack right there.
So I don't know that that's you know, it's after
when he talked about you know, plays a coach's call
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and things like that. So I mean, I you know,
the argument is, if you're a really good player, you
find other ways to score when you don't have the ball, right,
go get it off the glass, cut to the basket,
get an offensive rebound, run the floor. Um, you know,
make him pay for helping that kind of stuff. Yeah. No,
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And I actually think that's another issue we have with
how basketball is taught at such a young age, which
is everything is taught with what you do with the
basketball in your hands. And you know, it's like Billy Donovans,
isn't that game is? The game is played without the
ball in your hands. That's what you can you can't.
You're gonna make shots, You're gonna miss shots. Is what
else do you do? And I do He's the guy who,
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uh that is very good with the ball in his hands.
But it's the other stuff that he doesn't do and
doesn't kind of get yet. And maybe that's a little
bit of And by the way, playing through Yoki. Yoki
is essentially their point guard, right, like of course I
would play through yokurch He's an incredible passer and with
his size, he has great vision. And again it doesn't
it's not even if what he said was right, it's
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just more the fact of, hey, dude, what are you doing? Right?
I mean, the only thing you can say, you don't.
You don't you don't air your those things in the public.
Those are things are gone in the locker room. Yeah
you know. Um, but I'm giving him, I'm only giving
him a path because is because of his youth and inexperience.
And I'm saying, you know, I bet you if you
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were to ask him, he'd agree with us and say,
you know what, probably I probably shouldn't have said that
right now I'm looking at so So tomorrow night you're
going to have Celtics Raptors, and they're coming off a
double overtime game. It's game seven, and those guys, I
don't know if you saw, I mean that the minutes
that they played, the shot making and double overtime was obscene,
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just obscene for those guys to be making those shots
under that sort of pressure. You know, like, I don't
think the defense broke down that much in the second
overtime that you can honestly point to and go, yeah,
that's why there was the offensive output. But Lowry played
fifty three minutes, siak And played fifty four, og and
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Obi played fifty Van Bleep played fifty one. For the Celtics,
you had four of their starters played fifty or more minutes.
Your general philosophy, you have a you have one day
in between games. Guys are just dusted, Guys are tired.
What do you do? You know, most of everything in
preparation wise, is gonna be mental because the whole key
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would be obviously physical recoveries everything. So they might be
walking through some stuff. They might they might show up
and shoot a little bit, but they're going to do
very They're going to get off their feet and then
they'll walk through the scounter report, they'll watch some film
on the on the on the last game, whatever adjustments
they think they need to make. But this is just
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as much mental as it is physical. Yeah, I wonder
if and Kemba Kemba did not play well, did not
shoot the balls well at all yet last night. I
just I do wonder if who is going to it's
it's a risky play, but who's going to run the
risk of playing your bench early in the game so
that your starters maybe have juice in the tank late
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in the game. Although I also think that that some
of that the fatigue stuff, while it's going to be
really hard in the next round, whoever gets the Eastern
Conference finals, I think, you know, um, you're what's the
word I'm looking for? Like the the competitiveness, well just
kind of push you through, kind of push you over
the top. So I don't think it's like I think
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the fatigue thig is a little bit overrated. Once we
get into a game, I think to get your kind
of motor started and you get started out a halftime
is hard. And I do think that if you're just
dead tired, you don't have you know, you don't have
the juice. But the idea of you know, like minutes
like once you start going, if you got it, you
got it. I don't. I don't know. I was never
a guy who'd liked to come out of a game,
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so I don't really I'm not really bothered by those
side types of minutes. Yeah, but I would also say
maybe the game was going to favor the team that's
going to get the most um. You know, layups are
getting downhill more and going to shoot more free throws
based on that, right, because you know, when you're tired,
the thing that maybe goes as you're ability to shoot
the ball. You know, who knows, maybe that there may
be another guy that emerges, um that didn't play as
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much in that last series. It's going to have to
be a factor. But at the end of the day,
like you, you know, I think the playoffs are so
different than the regular NBA season. Yeah, Now when it's
winner go home, you know, you're gonna have to reach
down and find an extra gear, And that's what makes
these guys great. You know, these are the moments that
really define them as players too, right, So I think
you know you're if you're really good and you're tired,
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you're going to rise to the occasion. The last thing
the proposal from the ACC, which has roundly been shot down,
but I actually understand some of the thinking of it.
We talked about a little bit earlier on the on
the podcast. What's your take on the idea of having
a special NCAA tournam where everybody gets in this year?
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You know, Um, there's two sides of that, right, I
Mean the one side is like, could be a really
interesting tournament, for sure. I think it'd be really be
crazy to see how it would work. But the other
side of it is like they kind of almost defeat
some of the purpose of what you do during the
regular season, and it's such a tremendous thing, an opportunity
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to be a part of it, you know, just just
for a lot of teams, just going to the NCAA
tournament is like winning it all, um. So I don't
know if it takes away from all that. You know,
I love the idea that we're willing to think outside
the box. So you know, I think that's always been
my biggest thing, is like, you know, we just always
do the same thing because it's all we've ever done.
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Why not? Why not they use this? This might be
the year to do it, especially if we don't have
as many conference games or non conference games as we
normally would have, you know. And um so I think
and from that side would be it'd be interesting to see.
But the other side is it does it take away
from it being special? You know? Um? But again, this
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could be just a special year altogether, right, So, I mean,
it really would be crazy to think if you had
a tournament like that after having no tournament the year before,
to the combination of that together, and that would be
you know, bizarre. And then who knows if the TV
would would would you know, be interested in that? Well?
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I think they'd be interested in it. The question would be,
you know, what would you do to your other team,
like what would you What would happen with ESPN, who
of course owns the rights to all those h conference
championship games, would they be allowed to broadcast the tournament games?
How would I mean, it could be worked out and
you have enough time to do it, what would the
rate of pay by? And you know, the other thing
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is like I think people think that you're creating. You're
just kind of creating to a two or three more rounds.
I mean, that's all you're really doing, which you're not.
You don't have the inventory that you have with the
conference tournaments. I think the ACC A good portion of
it is, Hey, these schools that don't know if they
can play or not. It's it's out of it's out
of financial difficulty. You're not going to have some non
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conference games being played. Here's a way where if you
play an NCAA tournament game, it all goes to the
NCAA tournament in terms of a bill right between testing
and everything else that goes into it. Let the NCAA
pay for it. And while that sounds like a good
idea on paper, in practice it's it's a lot more difficult.
I think those are all the practical reasons, you know,
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I'm just saying yeah, And I think for an emotional reason,
like I said, is it really special if everybody gets
to be a part of it this time? You know?
And and really, when you have all those games, I
mean even when this there's sixty four, you know, games
going on right that round, the sixty four first round,
it's hard to keep it, keep track of them all
at once. I mean you imagine if that first week
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and will out of games aren't going to be seen
to be honest, all right, one story before you go,
give me. Give me a recruiting story player, whether it's
where you saw him, how you found him, something that
happened on a visit. I need one recruiting story. Well,
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a kid that we got, our kid that we didn't get,
the Skylar Spencer kid we didn't get. I always love
that one because I just couldn't help it started laughing.
Kid Skylar Spencer is a kid from Price High School.
We had two kids from Price High School already on
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our team, and Skyler was a really good prospect, but
a young kid. At matter of fact, his coach called
him big Puppy because he was just he was just
like a puppy man. He was kind of long and
gangly and really athletic. Turned into I think he might
be the all time leading shop blocker at San Diego State.
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But like he literally shot his free throw. He might
have been better shooting his free throws underhand because he
could not shoot a lick. And that was something I
think Mike Montgomery couldn't get over when we were at CAL.
But I just remember two things sitting in there with
his with his family when they came up to campus
to visit. And the first thing was his dad had
in his mind, which I don't think was was the case,
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but he had us tried to convince us that the
reason he named Skylar was, you know, a marketing thing
when he was a baby, that he was named him
Skyler because of sky Hook, and which I thought was
a little comical. But the other thing that I thought
was kind of funny was when he told us, he said,
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he said, you know, I got Skyler working out. We
just got him a bowflex, and so you know, we
got him on wait program with a bowflex. And I've
never ever heard of anybody, I don't know anybody that
has a bowflex, let alone a Division one player that
builds his body on a bowflex. So always thought that
was kind of funny. Yeah, I got one for you, Skylard.
I don't know if you knew this story. I think
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his dad was he right or left handed, and his dad,
his dad actually taped duct taped I'm gonna say, like
his one of his arms like to his side, so
he couldn't use that arm, you know. To me, I
think it was I think he did to his right
arm to make him use his left hand, make him
shoot and dribble and everything with his left hand. And
(27:40):
I remember the sending of his state coaches telling me like,
that's why he's so scared. He didn't know what hand
he was supposed to use, because when they when he
worked out, when he was like in middle and high school,
his dad would tape his hand to his side. I mean,
his dad was exuberant guy though he was leading the
cheers at Price High School. Give me a pee, gimme
(28:01):
an R and he go on downland and uh, great,
great kid, you know, But that that was kind of
just something I always remember. You know, that was the
first and only kid I knew that trained on a bowflex.
That's a that's a good one, don't you. I do
not have a bowflex. I do not. I've never used
(28:22):
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(30:12):
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The Celtics were one actually point five seconds away from
going up three games to none, and now they got
a battle out in a Game seven against the team
that won a championship last year. That's crazy. That's where
we are. Obviously, the Miami Heat are waiting, and we
could I have the Celtics and the Clippers in the finals,
(30:34):
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you know, against the Lakers in the finals. Wouldn't be
Heat Lakers. Kind of interesting and never even thought of
that as a possibility, But I guess that is a possibility.
The one thing you know in game seven is what guys.
You find out, what guys really have it inside, what
guys are in shape, who's not in shape, and what
(30:56):
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plays and get the right shots at the moments. Jason
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can adjust. And obviously you'd think Gordon Hayward won't play.
He may, He'll be ready for the conference finals. I
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Gottlieb Show. Let me get to one one story in basketball,
it's the idea the acc proposed of having basically like
the old school Indiana basketball everybody gets in NCAA tournament.
I don't hate the idea, I really don't. I just
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there's a lot of unintended consequences of it. And the
biggest unintended consequence would be that once you allow that
to happen, it's really hard to go back right. It
just is you know what is that once the once
the genie is out of the bottle, that's that's the expression.
There's no three wishes here that puts them back in
(02:14):
the bottle, And you can't wish for the genie's freedom,
even though that eventually happened at the end of Aladdin, Genie,
you're free, um. But but what I think is is
interesting about it is like, look, Mike Schevsky obviously is
as well respected a guy as there is. He's an
incredible coach, an ambassador for the game, and I do
think that a lot of it comes from the goodness
(02:35):
of his heart. But there is the other side to it,
which is there's a reality to college sports financially suffering,
and this would lessen the financial burden and all these
schools to put on games, because that burden would be
placed upon the NCAA, not upon the members schools or
their conferences for their conference tournament. It's not a terrible idea,
it's just not one that's really able to be exercised.
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And what it does is it says your regular season
didn't mean anything, which it won't mean a ton anyway,
and now it would mean nothing at least for this year.
And once you include everybody, it's really hard to start
being exclusive starting back now, Oh, next year, we'll go
back to not letting everybody in. Good luck with that.
That doesn't usually happen. We didn't go from sixty four
to sixty five to sixty eight teams and then people
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go like, let's go back to sixty four. That doesn't happen.
So look, does does everybody getting in sound like a
good idea? Sure? I had lots of questions. You know,
what do you do to ESPN, who had to have
all those conference championships and provides so much of the
money that that's used by those conferences. This would CBS
(03:38):
in turn be willing to pay more. I think the
answer is yes, but more than anything, like is that
really what the tournament's about? And I do understand for
one year, you know, for one year you can make
a lot of adjustments, I mean a lot of adjustments
to what you want to do. So I get it.
I just don't think it's likely to happen. And although
(04:01):
there's no reason to not think that. I love that
these conferences are expanding the number of conference conference games.
I think you should play everybody in your conference twice
and there's other games, all right, you can play all
buy games outside that, and I play a tournament like
that's not let's roll. I also like the idea of
pushing back. The season should have been pushed back a
long time ago. Thanksgiving is a perfect time to have
(04:21):
your first, you know, your first tournaments of the you know,
your first tournament of the of the year, and then
play a couple of games and don't play maybe another
tournament in Christmas time, and then play conference games when
students get back onto campus. I think all of those
things should in fact happen. Let's turn to the NBA,
where I've watched a lot of the Lakers, and I
(04:45):
gotta tell you that there are parts of Lebron James
game which are still kind of missing. I don't know
what's going on the free throw line, the post game
is still and there seems to be times which he's
not trusting his gem shot And you're like, well, hater, no,
but the athleticism is insane for a guy his age
(05:06):
and at his body size, and two, the effort defensively
is pretty incredible. That's really kind of what it comes
down to. The effort defensively is just magnificent. And you know,
I think of it and I look at it, and
I'm like, man, that guy is just such a competitor
(05:26):
that he has guys playing at a level so far
above defensively what they should be playing. Great leadership. I
don't know if they have overall what it takes to
beat the Clippers. But the Clippers are so hit and missed,
you know, Paul George is so up and down here
in the playoffs. Kawhi is great. He's the best player.
(05:47):
And I think that having Kawai and Paul George, who
can both guard Lebron James Montres a little bit. The
problem is that the Clippers don't have anybody who can
really guard Anthony Davis. And now that Anthony Davis after
the first game of the playoffs with the Houston Rockets,
he seems to two things. One have gotten clearer sightlines,
posting him up more kind of quick posting him and
(06:08):
have him going really quickly, and just being more dominant inside.
Now he's playing against Mighty Mites, right, That's what he's
playing against, playing against Mighty Mites, the Houston Rockets. But
it's the way in which he's competing that's really what's special. Now.
As for the Clippers, I don't mind Patrick Beverley talking trash.
(06:29):
I think Hawai is the best player. I do think
that there's there's something missing there and maybe they misplayed
this thing. The Clippers didn't think they would be great
until March or April, and then of course once March
came around, we had to shut it down and they
were still kind of rounding into shape. I think now
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you start to figure, you start to understand that they
weren't right then. And maybe I thought little extra training camp,
extra lead up games, but they never had their whole team.
I question whether or not they'll be able to have
that have that type of cohesion. And five as one,
they played game four of the series with the Nuggets.
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That's about as good as you can play defensively, like
the Nuggets can. Michael Border Junior can sit there and
we're gonna talk about him with my brother Greg, what
his comments. They can sit there and say we need
to move the ball more. But the difference that you
have two great players and they just chose to play
great defense. They bought in from the second that there
was a jump ball. Really to the end of the game.
That type of efforts weren't gonna take to beat the Lakers,
(07:34):
who play with the same type of defensive intensity. The
Lakers just don't have the surrounding scoring that the Clippers have.
All right, let's welcome him in. He's a long time
twenty five year assistant in college basketball. He's also my
brother and he appears again on the podcast. He's the
coach Greig gottlieb Okay, So Greg, let me let me
get your take on Michael Porter Jr. Who really talented kid.
(07:58):
You know, his dad's been an assistant on the women's
side at Missouri and then of course the men's side
at Washington and then was an assistant when his son
was a player at Missouri and m MBJ he didn't
was he rookie this year? Last year? Right didn't play
his first year and he has had some scoring outbursts
in the bubble. But it's more what he said after
(08:20):
they lost what feels like a deciding you know, like
almost a series clinching Game four, where he called out
his coaching staff for not utilizing everybody. Right, he did
say that Yo Kitchen and Jamal Murray are great players,
but hey, we got to get more people involved the
coach in you how does how does that land in
(08:42):
a coach's locker room? Well, first of all, you know,
I think the context you watch it, and uh, you know,
like you said, he was a rookie last year, but
he didn't play at all last year, so this is
really his first year, and I'm looking at it like
he made a rookie mistake with the media too, you know,
and especially in the playoffs in this situation, I think
(09:04):
they kind of walked him into that question and he
kind of I think he went down that road before
he realized maybe what he did. But you know, as
a coach, you know you can't you can't be uh,
you don't want to be questioning the tactics or what
you're doing in the media by any stretch. I think
that kind of undermines the group as a whole. Those
(09:26):
are definitely things that need to be taken in the
context of in the locker room and things that don't
leave the locker room. But again, I think he kind
of gotten he got baited into that, and then I
think he kept going, um, not realizing what he had done.
I would bet he probably is looking back saying I
probably shouldn't have done that, you know, but the damage
(09:48):
is done. I also think though this is something that
you know, I talked about at the time. You know,
he is he and and Trey Young is you know,
they played it together obviously in AU basketball, but they're
they're one of the same, and that their dads were players,
their dads have protected them. They're they're like bubble boys
a little bit where they haven't had as many normal
(10:09):
interactions with teammates, with the media, they haven't had the
ups and downs, like it's like in an effort to
produce these super talented, um offensive players, like there's there's
some normal kind of on a connective tissue that that's
kind of missing and how they interact with other people
(10:30):
right like um And it doesn't make them bad people,
and it doesn't make their parents bad people, but it
does there's there's an arrested development there where they're not
they they want to sound and be professional, and they
do on the on the surface make that appearance, but
the reality is they're just kids who haven't experienced lots
(10:53):
of things, like they ain't experienced playing with the type
of hardcore dude that puts them up against the wall
and be like, yo, who you talking to? Or hey, bud,
Until you can actually guard somebody, you shouldn't be speaking
on anything else going on in the NBA. These two
things would be would be accurate. And I agree with
anyone who says, like, well, there wasn't anything sinister about
(11:14):
it because he's talking about his whole team and how
good his whole team is. Like, yeah, but that doesn't
that doesn't make that doesn't help you win games. It
only hurts you. There's nothing Ted is going to help
anybody win a game. Well, again, you got to take
the other side of the context, though, right, I mean,
he played one game at Missouri I think, and then
(11:34):
had a back issue, and so you know, and then
and then really didn't didn't do anything last year, and
and he's just starting to play, so all of a sudden,
this is really he's had very little interaction with the media,
I think, even despite the fact that he was the
number one player in his class. You know, when you're
when you're rein recruited in high school, you know, all
(11:56):
the interaction is how great you are. There's really no
there's you know, you don't see the downside. You're not
getting walked into things like this, So you know, I
would chalk it up to his inexperience in terms of
handling that. I think, you know, all good players, especially
as you go up, they all have an opinion. I mean,
he's played for some good coaches, he's he is a coach,
(12:16):
his son, so he's going to have an opinion. Those
are those are all valid things that he talked about
that would happen. Uh, you know, you might discuss with
your team or with the coaching staff when it comes
down to trying to figure out you know, I think
he came from the context of what we got to
do to win. So I think all those things were good.
I just think again, can't say that stuff to the
(12:37):
me in the media, And then you've got to be
smart enough to know when they're baiting you to say that,
because I mean, that's that's all those guys are looking for.
I mean that, you know, kulos So the guy that
did that asked the questions that they walked him right
into that um. But that's where I think the biggest
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a negative like you're the undertones. You're so negative about
the media, right like like, it's all one of them.
It's like yeah, and by the way, if you're on
a podcast, you're you're actually kind of a but yeah
one too. Sure. Yeah, So I don't I don't think.
I mean, I like, look, you're gonna tell me what
you're gonna tell me. Nobody can force you to give
(14:49):
me any sort of answers that you don't want to provide.
You know, if I ask you, hey, what would you do,
what would you do differently? Or what do you think
of your team's approach, it's up to you. A said,
I mean, he's not a dummy. Yes, he's inexperienced and
he's young, but he's not dummy. He's able to form
his own sort of opinion and way of talking about
and painting it. But I don't. Yeah, I think you
(15:09):
know that when you're in experience, you know, you you
you get into a conversation and you don't realize you
know how important it is you know the words you choose,
or when you need to know sometimes when you you
need to end end it and control it to control
the interview. If you're if you're in that position, and
so if you you know, like I said, they asked
him that they asked him a couple of questions. He
(15:31):
answered it honestly, maybe a little bit too honest given
the as I said. But then then the follow up
question after that, I think that's where he called went
a little clue far, And that's where as an experienced guy,
you you know, you find a way to navigate around
that so that you don't become quick bait. You know,
right now, you know he's trending because of all that.
(15:53):
You know, so that let me, let me, let me play,
let me play, let's let's play that. Let's play that
sound here, let's side take a listen to the play,
cause it's really up to the coaches who they want
to put them put the ball in whose hand? Um?
We kept going to yoaka mall um, and that's you know,
I think that's there's there're two amazing players, so you
(16:13):
can never get mad at that. But I just think
to beat that team, we got to get more players involved.
We got to move the ball a little bit better.
I mean, it had kind of worked right, Like I
don't know, Jamal Murray has been so impressive to me,
Like I had no idea he had this in him,
did you, well, I think he Yeah, I think last
(16:35):
year even he had some big time moments. But you know,
Denver's not a team that you watched all the time
unless you're in the Denver market. So, um, I thought
he was a hell of a player. Um, obviously he's
just continued to send to you know, Um he's risen
an occasion for sure. Um. And and I love Yoka,
(16:55):
but I mean and I don't think even right there's
would got him in trouble. I think to follow up
after that, you know, he kept going, I think that
that point he's saying, you know, not just you know,
those guys have got to be able to to we
got to balance. We need to balance scoring attack right there.
So I don't know that that's you know, it's after
when he talked about you know, plays a coach's call
(17:18):
and things like that. So I mean, I you know,
the argument is, if you're a really good player, you
find other ways to score when you don't have the ball, right,
go get it off the glass, cut to the basket,
get an offensive rebound, run the floor. Um, you know,
make him pay for helping that kind of stuff. Yeah. No,
(17:39):
And I actually think that's another issue we have with
how basketball is taught at such a young age, which
is everything is taught with what you do with the
basketball in your hands. And you know, it's like Billy Donovans,
isn't that game is? The game is played without the
ball in your hands. That's what you can you can't.
You're gonna make shots, You're gonna miss shots. Is what
else do you do? And I do He's the guy who,
(18:01):
uh that is very good with the ball in his hands.
But it's the other stuff that he doesn't do and
doesn't kind of get yet. And maybe that's a little
bit of And by the way, playing through Yoki. Yoki
is essentially their point guard, right, like of course I
would play through yokurch He's an incredible passer and with
his size, he has great vision. And again it doesn't
it's not even if what he said was right, it's
(18:24):
just more the fact of, hey, dude, what are you doing? Right?
I mean, the only thing you can say, you don't.
You don't you don't air your those things in the public.
Those are things are gone in the locker room. Yeah
you know. Um, but I'm giving him, I'm only giving
him a path because is because of his youth and inexperience.
And I'm saying, you know, I bet you if you
(18:46):
were to ask him, he'd agree with us and say,
you know what, probably I probably shouldn't have said that
right now I'm looking at so So tomorrow night you're
going to have Celtics Raptors, and they're coming off a
double overtime game. It's game seven, and those guys, I
don't know if you saw, I mean that the minutes
that they played, the shot making and double overtime was obscene,
(19:07):
just obscene for those guys to be making those shots
under that sort of pressure. You know, like, I don't
think the defense broke down that much in the second
overtime that you can honestly point to and go, yeah,
that's why there was the offensive output. But Lowry played
fifty three minutes, siak And played fifty four, og and
(19:28):
Obi played fifty Van Bleep played fifty one. For the Celtics,
you had four of their starters played fifty or more minutes.
Your general philosophy, you have a you have one day
in between games. Guys are just dusted, Guys are tired.
What do you do? You know, most of everything in
preparation wise, is gonna be mental because the whole key
(19:51):
would be obviously physical recoveries everything. So they might be
walking through some stuff. They might they might show up
and shoot a little bit, but they're going to do
very They're going to get off their feet and then
they'll walk through the scounter report, they'll watch some film
on the on the on the last game, whatever adjustments
they think they need to make. But this is just
(20:11):
as much mental as it is physical. Yeah, I wonder
if and Kemba Kemba did not play well, did not
shoot the balls well at all yet last night. I
just I do wonder if who is going to it's
it's a risky play, but who's going to run the
risk of playing your bench early in the game so
that your starters maybe have juice in the tank late
(20:32):
in the game. Although I also think that that some
of that the fatigue stuff, while it's going to be
really hard in the next round, whoever gets the Eastern
Conference finals, I think, you know, um, you're what's the
word I'm looking for? Like the the competitiveness, well just
kind of push you through, kind of push you over
the top. So I don't think it's like I think
(20:54):
the fatigue thig is a little bit overrated. Once we
get into a game, I think to get your kind
of motor started and you get started out a halftime
is hard. And I do think that if you're just
dead tired, you don't have you know, you don't have
the juice. But the idea of you know, like minutes
like once you start going, if you got it, you
got it. I don't. I don't know. I was never
a guy who'd liked to come out of a game,
(21:14):
so I don't really I'm not really bothered by those
side types of minutes. Yeah, but I would also say
maybe the game was going to favor the team that's
going to get the most um. You know, layups are
getting downhill more and going to shoot more free throws
based on that, right, because you know, when you're tired,
the thing that maybe goes as you're ability to shoot
the ball. You know, who knows, maybe that there may
be another guy that emerges, um that didn't play as
(21:35):
much in that last series. It's going to have to
be a factor. But at the end of the day,
like you, you know, I think the playoffs are so
different than the regular NBA season. Yeah, Now when it's
winner go home, you know, you're gonna have to reach
down and find an extra gear, And that's what makes
these guys great. You know, these are the moments that
really define them as players too, right, So I think
you know you're if you're really good and you're tired,
(21:57):
you're going to rise to the occasion. The last thing
the proposal from the ACC, which has roundly been shot down,
but I actually understand some of the thinking of it.
We talked about a little bit earlier on the on
the podcast. What's your take on the idea of having
a special NCAA tournam where everybody gets in this year?
(22:20):
You know, Um, there's two sides of that, right, I
Mean the one side is like, could be a really
interesting tournament, for sure. I think it'd be really be
crazy to see how it would work. But the other
side of it is like they kind of almost defeat
some of the purpose of what you do during the
regular season, and it's such a tremendous thing, an opportunity
(22:41):
to be a part of it, you know, just just
for a lot of teams, just going to the NCAA
tournament is like winning it all, um. So I don't
know if it takes away from all that. You know,
I love the idea that we're willing to think outside
the box. So you know, I think that's always been
my biggest thing, is like, you know, we just always
do the same thing because it's all we've ever done.
(23:02):
Why not? Why not they use this? This might be
the year to do it, especially if we don't have
as many conference games or non conference games as we
normally would have, you know. And um so I think
and from that side would be it'd be interesting to see.
But the other side is it does it take away
from it being special? You know? Um? But again, this
(23:23):
could be just a special year altogether, right, So, I mean,
it really would be crazy to think if you had
a tournament like that after having no tournament the year before,
to the combination of that together, and that would be
you know, bizarre. And then who knows if the TV
would would would you know, be interested in that? Well?
(23:44):
I think they'd be interested in it. The question would be,
you know, what would you do to your other team,
like what would you What would happen with ESPN, who
of course owns the rights to all those h conference
championship games, would they be allowed to broadcast the tournament games?
How would I mean, it could be worked out and
you have enough time to do it, what would the
rate of pay by? And you know, the other thing
(24:04):
is like I think people think that you're creating. You're
just kind of creating to a two or three more rounds.
I mean, that's all you're really doing, which you're not.
You don't have the inventory that you have with the
conference tournaments. I think the ACC A good portion of
it is, Hey, these schools that don't know if they
can play or not. It's it's out of it's out
of financial difficulty. You're not going to have some non
(24:26):
conference games being played. Here's a way where if you
play an NCAA tournament game, it all goes to the
NCAA tournament in terms of a bill right between testing
and everything else that goes into it. Let the NCAA
pay for it. And while that sounds like a good
idea on paper, in practice it's it's a lot more difficult.
I think those are all the practical reasons, you know,
(24:48):
I'm just saying yeah, And I think for an emotional reason,
like I said, is it really special if everybody gets
to be a part of it this time? You know?
And and really, when you have all those games, I
mean even when this there's sixty four, you know, games
going on right that round, the sixty four first round,
it's hard to keep it, keep track of them all
at once. I mean you imagine if that first week
(25:09):
and will out of games aren't going to be seen
to be honest, all right, one story before you go,
give me. Give me a recruiting story player, whether it's
where you saw him, how you found him, something that
happened on a visit. I need one recruiting story. Well,
(25:30):
a kid that we got, our kid that we didn't get,
the Skylar Spencer kid we didn't get. I always love
that one because I just couldn't help it started laughing.
Kid Skylar Spencer is a kid from Price High School.
We had two kids from Price High School already on
(25:50):
our team, and Skyler was a really good prospect, but
a young kid. At matter of fact, his coach called
him big Puppy because he was just he was just
like a puppy man. He was kind of long and
gangly and really athletic. Turned into I think he might
be the all time leading shop blocker at San Diego State.
(26:11):
But like he literally shot his free throw. He might
have been better shooting his free throws underhand because he
could not shoot a lick. And that was something I
think Mike Montgomery couldn't get over when we were at CAL.
But I just remember two things sitting in there with
his with his family when they came up to campus
to visit. And the first thing was his dad had
in his mind, which I don't think was was the case,
(26:34):
but he had us tried to convince us that the
reason he named Skylar was, you know, a marketing thing
when he was a baby, that he was named him
Skyler because of sky Hook, and which I thought was
a little comical. But the other thing that I thought
was kind of funny was when he told us, he said,
(26:54):
he said, you know, I got Skyler working out. We
just got him a bowflex, and so you know, we
got him on wait program with a bowflex. And I've
never ever heard of anybody, I don't know anybody that
has a bowflex, let alone a Division one player that
builds his body on a bowflex. So always thought that
was kind of funny. Yeah, I got one for you, Skylard.
I don't know if you knew this story. I think
(27:18):
his dad was he right or left handed, and his dad,
his dad actually taped duct taped I'm gonna say, like
his one of his arms like to his side, so
he couldn't use that arm, you know. To me, I
think it was I think he did to his right
arm to make him use his left hand, make him
shoot and dribble and everything with his left hand. And
(27:40):
I remember the sending of his state coaches telling me like,
that's why he's so scared. He didn't know what hand
he was supposed to use, because when they when he
worked out, when he was like in middle and high school,
his dad would tape his hand to his side. I mean,
his dad was exuberant guy though he was leading the
cheers at Price High School. Give me a pee, gimme
(28:01):
an R and he go on downland and uh, great,
great kid, you know, But that that was kind of
just something I always remember. You know, that was the
first and only kid I knew that trained on a bowflex.
That's a that's a good one, don't you. I do
not have a bowflex. I do not. I've never used
(28:22):
a bowflex, never used one, not once in my life.
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like Clippers and Lakers gonna happen. At the time of
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this recording, we don't know. In terms of Celtics and Raptors.
The Celtics were one actually point five seconds away from
going up three games to none, and now they got
a battle out in a Game seven against the team
that won a championship last year. That's crazy. That's where
we are. Obviously, the Miami Heat are waiting, and we
could I have the Celtics and the Clippers in the finals,
(30:34):
but we could very easily have the Raptors or the Heat,
you know, against the Lakers in the finals. Wouldn't be
Heat Lakers. Kind of interesting and never even thought of
that as a possibility, But I guess that is a possibility.
The one thing you know in game seven is what guys.
You find out, what guys really have it inside, what
guys are in shape, who's not in shape, and what
(30:56):
coaches can make the right adjustments and call the right
plays and get the right shots at the moments. Jason
Tatum wasn't great last night, so we'll see if he
can adjust. And obviously you'd think Gordon Hayward won't play.
He may, He'll be ready for the conference finals. I
do think that Gordon Hayward could add another weapon to
the Celtics. I don't think he screws him up. Auditioned
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