All Ball - Pt. 1: NBA Champ Andrew Bogut on Australian Upbringing, Rick Majerus Experience, Being Drafted #1 Overall - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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is a two part one, is amazing. Jay Billis is
a two part one. It's amazing. I just I've been
kind of a blown away Mac Super's story going back
to last week. God, there's just there's there's so many
A Tremaine Davis. You haven't heard of the Tremaine Davis one. Wow.
A Tremaine Davis was the honorary captain the Super Bowl

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this year. And here's a kid who was in special
at until his senior year in high school because he
was awarded the state at three. His parents were addicts,
his grandma adopted him. Turns out he wasn't special needs
at all. He did have a learning disability and graduated

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San Diego State helped turn that program around and now
is an educator and somebody who helps get resources to
kids like him who didn't previously have them. He grew
up in the Bay Area, so that's Jermaine Davis again.
I am pimping my own work, but I have a
philosophy on this and it comes from my time when
I was at ESPN, which people were always critical of
ESPN for promoting the other ESPN stuff. But here's a thought.

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If you're not promoting yourself, how can you expect anyone
else to? Right, it's the same idea of confidence. You
don't believe in yourself, how can you expect anyone else
to believe in yourself? I just I do want to
give you one quick thought on college basketball, and look,
I have a personal goal to have on every coach
who coach is going to coach in the NCAA Tournament.

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I don't know if I'll get there. There's a couple
of coaches who I'm on their shit list, so I
don't know. Plus like it's a lot, but we're reaching
out to all of them. If they qualify, we're getting
them on. And some teams that don't qualify, we're gonna
get them on as well. So I think all of
these things are are great, but more than anything, this
pod is designed occasionally to talk about current events and

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current stuff, but also to basketball, like all these sports,
like it's this big dysfunctional family, and when you see
people or hear people, I want you to know what
they're about. And I share my own stories within it.
And because a lot of these people, some of them

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friends with, some of I'm friendly with, but we all
kind of know. It's the sixth degrees. It's like one
degree of separation. Andrew bo gets a perfect example. So
i'll and I'll get to kind of some thoughts on
the moment in the second Andrew was the number one
pick in the NBA Draft in two thousand and five.
And two thousand and five, I just started working for ESPN.
I covered the draft on radio since two and actually

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assume oh three, so it was my third year. I
was in New York City, and I was close with
Rady jack Oletti and that Glenzaga crew, and of course
he had come over from Cheney and coaching Eastern Washington,
and so he invited me to hang out with them
after the draft and we ended up. God, I'm gonna
have to look and find out what the what the
late like bar restaurant or something was die but like

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three in the morning, and I remember hanging out with
Andrew boged like there's no and a lot of guys
are this way. They get drafted, they're still just kids
in their wide eyed the nicest human beings on earth,
and then all of a sudden you give them one
hundred million dollars and some of them become assholes. It
does happen. But Bogie was Bogus was different, man. He

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was just he was always what what what? What was
saying in colle basketballs and okg our kind of guy
like Bogi's everybody's kind of guy, you know, he just is.
And part of it is that's how Aussie's are. I mean,
I just I have this thing where I've been around
so much, I've seen I've talked to so many different
people from so many parts of the country the world.

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Aussies are our type of people. Man. They're like they're
they're just straight up, no bullshit. They're honest salesman. They're flawed,
but their their flaw is that they're just honest. They
just say what they think and they don't actually care
and they don't carry negative bias into anything that they're
talking about. I just feel like, so maybe that's all

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the Aussies that I've come across, but I always think
of these blokes is just the best. And I have
people that have played in Australia, and those guys that
have played in Australia all say the exact same thing
that they're just the best. Like, dude, if you can
hang out with one group of people every day for
the rest of your life to be Ausse's because they
just have a much chiller, cooler way of looking at

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the world and the rest of us. The quick thought
on there's a bunch of stuff on college basketball. I
gotta get Justin bean On here. I love this kid.
Have you have you have you seen Utah State play?
So Justin bean Is he's originally from Oklahoma. His dad,
his dad played at Idaho State, I mean the NCAA
tournament And I can't wait to tell his story on

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this pod or let him tell his story in spot.
It's pretty crazy. But I've I'm like a total buyer
into this Utah State team as not just a team
that should make the NCAA tournament, but one that could
win a couple of games in the NCAA tournament. And
this is after losing Sam Merrill, who's arguably their greatest
player ever, which is crazy. The big kid Nemi kata Is,

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I mean he'll be I think he'll be a start
in the NBA, but he'll definitely play in the NBA
as he's not a huge he's probably only six nine,
but long arms, big hands, becoming a decent offensive player,
but block shots without fouling, can roll in finish, got
really good hands, huge, big good hands, catching and finishing.
They don't really play that much role and replace ball

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or a roll and throw it to the rim. But
he obviously can. But it's it's more. You know, they
have a freshman point guard, Raley Wooster who's from Missoula, Montana.
Dudes a stud stud, But they have his kids justin
Bean who've been there forever and they're gonna Albays be
there forever because this year doesn't count. And I mean,
I've when you've played basketball, you've coached basketball, you've analyzed basketball,

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you realize there are guys that and he scores, but
there are guys that don't maybe don't score a point,
but they dramatically affect winning. And that's justin Bean. I'm
a buyer in Utah State. I like these Mountain West teams.
I've covered a lot. I just think the more I watch,
the more I realize that some of these West Coast teams.

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West Coast always feels like it's a little bit underrated, undervalue, right,
it's always the East Coast bias. But I do think
that this year it's a it's more of a real thing,
and the real thing comes from this The real thing
comes from this year especially. A lot of those teams
couldn't travel, a lot of them couldn't practice early on.
But we don't realize that. I'm going to see USC

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tomorrow night against Stanford, like they each have a first
round draft pick on their team, right, the top ten
draft pick on the team I'm watching Oklahoma State. And
you start to realize that the difference in Oklahoma and
Oklahoma State is one team has the number one pick
in the draft and the other one is Oklahoma, Right,
And that those guys at this time of year become
guys that can just take over games. It can win

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you a game. That's always been the case, and so
if you have a pro to go along with a
good team, I think it makes you a better team,
especially you're playing together than some of these other schools.
Like some of these ACC schools do not have pros.
They just don't. The mid majors are. There's a distinct
drop off in terms of talent in the mid majors now.

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And I'm talking about the Missouri Valley, I'm talking about
the OBC. I'm talking about and I'm not trying to
be a jerk about it. I'm just pointing out that
that players transferring up like as good as Drake gives
and has been, dare instant amazing job. One, he's lost
his top two players to injury for the year, right,
but they're gonna get the benefit of all the wins
they had earlier. And two, you know his one NBA

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players the center of transferred to Minnesota, like guys are
transferring up now. And I pointed out because those teams
don't have pros, and you will see it on the
floor in the NCAA term, the team that has the
PRO at the end of the game is probably gonna
win the game because they're all teams are marginally different
than one another. Anyway, I just I look, Boise has

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a pro in Derek Alston, Utah State has a pro
in Nemi Kata, and I think obviously USC has one.
I look around college basketball and I start to say,
and I think maybe those underrated team, undervalue team is
going to be Organs. Like Organs, the type of team
that is going to get some eight or nine seed

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because they've had these weird losses. Right, they didn't have
their top three players, lost a organ State for example,
and you're gonna go like, how good is Oregon really?
Then you see him play, like, holy crap, they got players.
So there is a there's I think there's more East
Coast bias this year. It's not because I live in
the West coast of broadcast. It's also done Big ten
games and I think that commerce is really good. But

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a lot of it is they have a high recipitous rate.
They have older players, and the reason that the Illinois,
for example, will close better and be better in the
tournament is where they have Ao Desumer, who's going to
be a pro. Right, I don't know about Kofeie Coburn,
Like he'll play in the NBA, but what's his role.
It's hard because dust doesn't move out in the floor

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all the while. But he is a monster, a monster,
whereas you know, like an Iowa, I think Weast camp
as an NBA player, and I think guards up plays
and he makes the NBA, but it's a hard like
who does he guard anyway? I just that's my just
one minute kind of tangentle rant on West Coast basketball.
I think the Mountain West should get three teams in. Personally,

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I love this Colorado State team. They feel like the
hardest bit. But Colorado State, Utah State, Sandy State, Boise
State all really good clubs, and Sandy State's gonna get
in by way of sweeping Boise Boys should get in now,
but they swept Utah State. But Utah State they didn't
play him at Utah State and they didn't have Raleigh Wooster.

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So I think Utah States should get in. And you know,
like I kind of think Colorado States really good as well,
but if they get less by the wayside, it's gonna suck.
But I've watched a bunch, I've seen all the leagues,
and I can tell you that the acc the idea
of getting seven or eight teams in is kind of
laughable considering how everyone in that league knows how down

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that league actually is. Yet this time of year, everybody
kind of solidarity for our league. Let's get a bunch
of teams. In One other thought, guy, I think I'm
as impressed by Kaid Cunningham not scoring Ton as they
did have him having forty points on Saturday. Right on Monday,
the entire focus was two on the ball, make him

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get the ball out of his hands. And what separates
Kay Cunningham from so many of these other one and
duns is one. I think he's completely completely locked in
on winning the game. Sometimes he's tried to do it
by himself and it hasn't worked out great. But but
he is so ultra competitive and the type of leader

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he is at nineteen years old is remarkable. Like I'm
gonna give you feedback because I will have seen almost
all these top ten kids play. I'm gonna seem OBLEI
tomorrow night. But I'm just blown away by the way
that kid handles himself, the competitiveness. He guarded every position
one through five. Last night. He played every position one

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through five, and even though his offense was limited at times,
he had a couple of big buckets down the stretch
and he willingly got rid of the ball when he
was double team. There's a special makeup in Kid Cunningham.
All right, let's get to the pod. Andrew Bogitt was
the number one pick in the NBA draft, but his
upbringing what led him to be UM, there's some there's some.

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I'm just I'm gonna warn you here, okay. Um. I
do obviously curse on this podcast a little bit, and
if it makes you uncomfortable, I apologize. I just I
try and make this thing as real and organic as possible. Um,
Andrew and I talk an hour and a half and
there's still about one some hygiene Australian Institute of Sport.

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There's some Majara stories in here, there's some NBA stories
in here. It's it's really good. You'll really enjoy it.
I just want to warn you, like if you're a hey,
I'm gonna play it. And there's kids in the car.
There's some words in the language which I wouldn't want
to be playing when my kids are in the car.
I just wouldn't. UM. And that's it's above and beyond

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the usual s bombs whatever you know. But there's there's
a look, it's some language stuff. So I'm only warning
you because I don't want to edit it. I don't
want to take away from the stories themselves, and I
do think in this particular case they do fit. It's
just not dudes cursing in the dark just to sound cool.
But I want to make sure I'll point that out
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the AD Council. Okay, so there's a lot to you, right,
there's a lot. So I want to start at the
very beginning part. Okay, where in Australia were you born?

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I was born in Sea in Melbourne, Australia, a small
suburb called Mulgrave Mulgrave Hospital. So grew up on Nata Suburbs,
pretty beat, almost an hour from the city. Okay, So
what like apartment house again, like we we all have.
You just have to understand ninety nine percent of Americans
haven't been to Australia. Of that one percent that have

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been there, they probably went to Sydney. Maybe they visit Melbourne,
you know, maybe they visit. But in terms of the
idea of how you were raised, house, apartment, condole, big lot, Yeah,
we'll kind of I guess the lower income areas, growing
up for the most part in a house, but kind

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of you know, in the areas that we're definitely not
on anyone's bucket list by any means. And then we
kind of moved to the next suburb over which was
a new housing estate, still kind of new the bad suburbs,
but was a newer state. And then that's kind of
where I've spent most of my childhood. So we were
fortunate enough to have a have a four bedroom house,
But I wouldn't say it was in an area that

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you'd inspired to try and get to one day. Right right,
everybody trays to come with brag how poor it was.
But you didn't grow up broke, but you did. It
wasn't like you grew up, you know, living in fantasy land.
What is that? What is Melbourne known for? What is
that suburb known for? It's like, if you're an assie
you come to that area, what's it known for? Well, Well,

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where I grew up was a working class area, so
it was mainly people that were laborers, worked in warehouses, factories,
ran there, maybe their own small business. I mean, my
father was a mechanic. So we had you know, we
had good years and bad years economically, Like we had
a recession throughout that where we were you know, kind
of poor for a couple of years and then back
to middle class and then back down. Just that battle

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of a you know, family of four, um, the city
of Melbourne's probably best known for. I would say food
and coffee is kind of what it's known for coffee,
what kind of coffee snobs down here. So we know
a good coffee when we when we have it. So
that's why I struggled a little bit in America with
with finding good coffee. But yeah, food, food culture. Even

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in San Francisco, you like the coffee, it was, okay,
it was. It was better than Oklahoma or you know,
somewhere in the middle of the US where you kind
of could only find a Starbucks. But yeah, we're we're
kind of we're a bit you know, we're self proclaimed
coffee snobs, so yeah, we can definitely know a good bruise.
I struggled at times to find a good coffee over there.
I found a few places that I could get good beans.

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But yeah, it's it's just a battle that we have
to go through when we leave Melbourne. Okay, So when
you you're coffee, Andrew Bogets like dream coffee you make
it's like black or do you have a specific coffee drink?
Isn't espresso based drink? Like what tape of coffee snowberry?
I mix it up, so right, now I've gone through
phases of straight espresso in the morning, I've gone through

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phases of marciados, I've gone through phases of Right now,
I'm back on the latte's usually during the day when
I'm in a warmer climate, I have an nice coffee,
so just coffee and milk with ice, so I mix
it up, trying to be multidimensional. Okay, So your latte
now of choice, how many shots in it? Shots of coffee?

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Just just one? I just go one shot, one shot
of coffee. I have two coffees a day, one when
I wake up and one after lunch. But I mean, like,
if you have a latte, is a shot of espresso
or two shots of espresso and then milk and then
if you want flavoring it. Okay, So then like are
you doing do you do like two percent? You do skim?
Do you do almost full cream? Baby? None? None of

(20:28):
that soy shit yeah so um yeah full cream um. No.
No sugars anymore. I'm off sugar, so I mean off
sugar for a number of years. I'm not completely off it,
Like I'll have it, you know, if it happens to
be a piece of chocolate or whatever. But I just
don't add coffee. I don't add sugar in my coffee anymore.
I used to be the opposite. I couldn't have coffee
without a sugar because it was too bitter. But now

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I've kind of appreciated the taste. Yeah, that taste of
just coffee without it any sweetness to it. Yeah, it's interesting.
You know, we used to have what I played at
Oka Mistag, we used to have uh coffee before the game.
We started out because we had these eleven am games
for whatever reason on Saturdays, and so me and when
of my teammates we started drinking coffee. And then when

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I was working at ESPN, it was cold. It was the
the first time I had lived like in a really
well I guess in Russia we had they had shy
hi blood chai, so you just do pound shies to
stay warm, right, and sometimes espresso based drinks as well,
it's cappuccino whatever. But when I first started, like with
the Starbucks thing, I started with like karmo macchiatos, it
was like, man, this is great, and you didn't realize

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how much sugar is Then them be like oh, So
then I dialed it back and like slowly weaned off
kind of the sugar stuff. Next time you're state side,
you gotta try fills you like real cream, real coffee,
real sugar. They have it. It's based in San Francisco,
but they have in LA. They have a couple of
New York. I think it's like a small growing brand.
It's pretty good. I mean, I do I go on,

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I'm like you. I switch changed drinks a lot, and
I changed my coffee thing. But I'm a coffee stop,
so I love nothing. One would out any question. That's
basically why I'm gonna have as many assis on as pass.
But I thought, oh, arsis. I thought all your gayt
thing was like, let's go play some balm, then let's
go get pissed, like, let's go and drink like So

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this is coffee ahead of beer in Melbourne for the
working people, probably is. Yeah. I mean it's hard, hard
to have some beers and get to work and be motivated.
But yeah, I mean we'd definitely like to have have
a few drinks at the end of the day. There's
no doubt about that. So your dad's mechanic, what kind
of mechanic, what did he fix? He was a he

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was a carburetor and fuel injection specialists, so he would
basically the equivalent of like a Jiffy lube chain or
whatever and all these other mechanics. They wouldn't know how
to fix the carburetor generally because it was it's kind
of a specialist type job. So they would get the
carburetor off, my mum would go drive out to you know,

(22:54):
Jiffy Louve down the streets called. She'd go drive down,
pick it up, bring it back to my dad, and
he'd fully addition and sometimes strip it down to the
base and clean it all up, paint it, make it
look good brand new. Mum drives it back, they fit it,
customers got a brand new carburetor. So that was kind
of what my dad did and kind of a dying
trade to an extent now with fuel injection and obviously
battery you know operated cars, but a lot of drag races,

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a lot of people that have hotted up cars still
need carburetors on him to function. So he still does it,
just kind of part time for fun, but yeah, that
was kind of the way we made a living. Did
he have his own like hot ride like under the like?
Did he always worked on at the house. He always
had something. Yeah, he always adds something. So that's kind

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of where my passion from cars came from because I
used to have to go to the workshop with him
a lot, especially on school holidays. You know, we couldn't
afford a babysitter or have me stay at home all day,
so I'd have to just get dragged along with my
mum or dad. And my dad was a babysitter as
he worked. So yeah, I just remember always him, can
customers hold it up? Cars? And then he'd have a few.
Every couple of years, you have a different one. So

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that was kind of where my passion for it all
kind of came together. So when did your passion for
basketball star? For me? I always it's a hard one.
I love sport as a young feller, so like four
or five or sixty seven, always ball sports, you know, football, tennis, soccer, basketball,

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And then the seriousness for basketball kind of started probably
at about nine, nine or ten, where once it became
organized and the enjoyment I got out of it was like, oh,
that's what I want to do. I really enjoy it.
I didn't really think about being a professional at that,
you know, no one really at nine or ten years old,
was thinking about that. I just love playing the game,
watched it on TV whenever I could, was just immersed

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in it fully, was kind of all in and just
kind of grew from there, and as I went through
the ranks of high school and whatnot, starting to get
better and enjoy it more and never really thought about
anything else. To be honest with you, now, you were
maybe part of that first general Raian and forgive me
if I'm wrong, okay, but I remember you. It's one
of the first generation of the AI skates, the Australian

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student support right and Delhi obviously was a little bit
later on. I remember when I first heard about Delhi's name,
like man, we played against this AIS Gays came and toured,
we played against the Splint cart. It's going to be unbelievable.
And I remember the first time I met him. And
so there's this lineage of guys your first when did
you first go to AS? My first year was two

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thousand and two, so I got a scholarship to go
to two thousand and two, and then went for half
a year in two thousand and three, and then you know,
in August was at the University of Utah, So I
guess before me, you know, there was some still some
big names. Luke Longley came through that program, so there were.
But then I guess once I'd come through a snowball
effects started of Delavera Dover and Joe Ingalls and Patty

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Mills and Aaron Bains and the list goes on right
and now most most of the NBA players from Australia
have had some sort of affiliate to the AS at
some point in their career. What did how did they
climb out about you? How did you get the scholarship there?
What's the actual process? I was really lucky because in
Australia it's a whole different system to America. We don't

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really play for our high school, so our competitive basketball
has done on the weekends kind of you play for
your local kind of league, and then if you're really
good in that suburb or area, you then represent that
whole suburb against other suburbs on a Friday night, which
is called rep basketball representative basketball, which is kind of
the equivalent to AU And then if you're really really
good starting from under sixteen, do you represent your whole

(26:34):
state at the national Championships. So you know there's seven
or eight teams that they go to those national championships,
sometimes a team from New Zealand as well, and that's
where you generally get scouted from the AIS. The issue
for me was I never made those teams and never
made those state teams. I was always cut under sixteen
under sixteens, I didn't get invite under eighteen's I got
an invite and got I got an emergency so if

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someone got hurt, I got to go, which was which
was kind of a bliss seeing disguise because it motivated
me more. I still got to train with those guys,
and then by the end of it, by the time
they took off to go, no one got hurt. Obviously
I was kicking all their asses, but I was the
emergency cycledn't go, and then yah, I yes would go
to the national championships because you know, logic says, if

(27:16):
you're going to see the best players, you go to
the national championships to scout. Well, I wasn't there, so
I thought, I'm not going to get a chance for
the ASS or Australian Junior national team camps. And then
I was playing so well here locally that they just
got a whiff of my name and just kind of
gave me like a wild card invite last minute. The
camp was in September. I got the letter in August

(27:37):
to go up for the camp, and then I went
up there and the no one really knew who I was,
And that was kind of a good thing because I
came and all these all these kids that are being
in that National Championships and that program for a number
of years all kind of knew each other. You knew
who were the household names were from each state. People
were like, who hells this dude, like skinny wiry dude.
And I came in the first day of camp, kicked

(27:58):
everyone's ass and then they offered me a scholarship on
the first day. At the end of the day, they
they brought me in and said we want to bring
you in and like that was a huge emotional moment
for me because I was kind of always overlooked and
felt like I never really got a really good chance
to be part of part of teams. And to get
a scholarship somewhere where I could essentially have my bedroom
next to a basketball gym was was paradise for me.

(28:22):
All your parents like in terms of you obviously at
some point love basketball and your dad's a mechanic, your
mom's helping him out, and here you are saying I
love basketball, and no matter how good you thought you
were and overlooked you were, a lot of people like
you're just the emergency on the state team. Right, you
know what were they like in terms of their supportive?
I love real supportive, but I mean look with basketball,

(28:45):
especially in Australia, like if your parents aren't supportive, if
you're not getting too the games because it's a lot
of driving, it's a lot of timing cars. I mean,
most parents that deal with junior sports, Like I said,
America is a little differ because high school takes care
of a lot of it. He's much harder. Your parents
really have to drive you everywhere and you've got your
training sessions every day, and so without them, you wouldn't
been getting from point A to point bad even get there. Dad,

(29:08):
you know, modified the backyard at one point to put
a basketball hoop in. I had a basketball hoop at
his workshop as well, so he kind of he always
told people I was going to be a professional, and
you don't know, really if he thought that because people
people don't know if he thought that just because he
was my dad, it was just biased. But he knew
how much time I spent out in the backyard, so

(29:29):
he saw firsthand how much I love the game. And
it got so bad that I'd be outside shooting in
the rain, playing basketball in the rain. And then he
actually put some floodlights up for me near the basketball
court so I could actually shoot once he got dark,
because in Melbourne winter it gets dark at about five
pm at night, like you know, So I'd be out
there until nine thirty, like neighbors will be losing their

(29:51):
ship hating me because the ball was anouncing, and I'd
just be out there shooting until my mum came and
yelled at me to come back inside. And so he
kind of knew, like he saw how much I was
invested in it, and that's all I thought about. And
I think he always told people I was going to
be a professional, and most people, most other parents or
friends and be like, yeah, yeah, whatever, like this, you know,
you're crazy. Every parents says that about their kid. But

(30:11):
he was one of those people that was kind of
really confident, probably more confident than I was at that point.
You know, do you remember calling them and telling them
about the scarship the ass. Oh, definitely, Yeah, emotional moment,
like like I said, yeah, just just with the journey
that I want. My whole journey wasn't smooth sailing. So
that's what was cool about finally having that opportunity to

(30:34):
be somewhere that's special. You know, there's only twelve kids
a year to get that opportunity in the whole of Australia,
and then you're basically on that pathway to be is
as good as you want to be. Essentially, whether you
go to college or the NBA or the NBA, you're
in kind of the box seat. But the other the
flip side of the ass is there's a lot of
kids I think they've made it once they've made the ass.
So that's what I was always cognizant of, like, make

(30:56):
sure you use this opportunity to get even better. Don't
just think like ship he now on top twelve in Australia,
you know, but where does that? Where does that come from? Though?
But where does that come from? Because like, look, that's
really natural, right for guys that think they made it.
Yet you're telling yourself these things like to continue to
motivate yourself. That is that your dad? Is that just

(31:16):
your internal instinct of how you've always been, how like
you're what seventeen at the time, you're seventeen. Finally this opportunity, right,
great honor. Most dudes are like I made it, You're not.
Where does that come from? Or I never had it.
I never had it as a junior. So like like
I said, I never got invited. I was never in
the cool, cool group as a basketball junior. Like I

(31:37):
was never in the good teams. I bounced around to
two different teams throughout my junior childhood, you know, and
where the team's gone. So I started with the Dada Rangers,
which was my local club. There were there were a big,
big stadium. Now I think they've got something like sixteen
courts now in their gym, or fourteen or sixteen courts.
So I was there for two or three years and

(31:58):
then got put in like the team, um, so ABC
PUTT in the C team and list some bullshit. So
I left and then went to Waverley Falcons for a
season and a half and then finished off at Sandringham.
UM and I talked about it on my podcast, I
do my Journey episodes where we go through all this
and that Sandringham team was was kind of a team

(32:19):
of misfits, a team of I guess kids that were
just shunned by society, and it was a perfect It
was like the perfect perfect fit for me. I was like,
this is this is me, Like, this is my group parents, parents,
and other teams hated us, other teams hated us. We
were one of the teams that had hardly any parents
showing up to watch their own kids. Was one of
those one of those teams, right, So I was like,

(32:41):
this is me, this it seemed perfectly and but yeah,
back to your question. It was just like I always
was afraid of losing the opportunity because I never had it.
So I was like, once I got it, I was like,
I don't I don't want to suck this up. Yeah.
Is that where you is that Waverley team? Is that
where you developed your ability to screen screen legally? Is
that that was? That was Ric mageris funnily enough a utah. Yeah,

(33:06):
he was big on screen. If you if you didn't
make contact on a screen, man, oh you're you're running
for the rest of that session. So I learned real
earlier that if I said a screen, I better you
better clap bodies, otherwise you're going to hear it from Rick.
Was there? Any who else was up? Okay, So you're
at a as you have it? Who is your You
have one roommate, you guys always it one big dorm room,
like what is it? It's basically one kind of narrow

(33:30):
building that has a spiral staircase through the middle, and
on each landing there's three rooms and everyone has their
own little room. But the rooms weren't luxurious by any means.
You basically walk into your room. You've got a skinny
little bed. It's kind of like a balanced beam and
gymnastics so you don't want to turn too much or
you're falling out of that thing. You got a small
little study desk. You've got a little heater and a
little sink and a wardrobe and that's it. M The

(33:53):
bathrooms are then shared on each level. There's one bathroom
on each level, so basically all twelve of us are
in one one one kind of tall four level doing
essentially that's all wide open, and it was it was cool,
like you're just sixteen seventeen years old, You're you're away
from home, you're living with your boys and you know where,
you know, having fun, bantering, getting in fights, doing stupid

(34:15):
shit like that's part of the fun of going through
that journey, and to be honest with you like that
was probably one of the most enjoyable phases of my career,
was just just going through all that and all the
dumb shit that we did and got in trouble and
you know, sixteen seventeen and then girls came into play
and all that kind of stuff. So it was a
fun part of my life that I really really enjoyed. Okay,

(34:37):
give me the give me these stupidest ship to chowt me.
I'll share a stupid shit story and then you can
share at Okay, So I grew up. I grew up
going to a basketball camp called Snow Valley Basketball Camp.
So Westmont College Westmint is a if there's a more
affluent part of Santa Barbara, that's exactly what it is.
I am Unbelievable's right near where oprahlyts right. So, but

(34:58):
this camp was it's like the best fun a mental
camp around. You don't even have a basketball the first
day and a half, So I used to. We used
to go up there with a bunch of our buddies
and I would do both sessions and a buddy named
Adam Libby, and Adam was it was like four dudes
in a room, you know, bunk beds, and so I'll
never forget that you could pull out the middle slats

(35:19):
that held up the top bunk and it would still
stay up. And then somebody hop on the top bunk
and they fall down the bottom bunk. So and then
we do the icy hot in the jockstrap and the
undershorts jock right. So, but on one particular night, like
he got out of the shower and put on some

(35:40):
underwear that we had put icy Hot in, and then
I had also pulled out the slat. So it's like
a double whammy at once, and the camp director comes
in and everybody's gotta like it's like bed check. So
the camp director comes in and check on us. He
just put on these underwear and he hops in the
top bunk, falls through onto the bottom bunk. Right now,
dudes are laughing and he's mad, he's kissed. Then he

(36:02):
stands up and now his balls, Let me give me
out of cab. I went twelve and thirty at the time,
I just give me one hijings Andrew Bogan Australia into
two to support. We had. We had a lot like
similar stories to those, right, um we have this is
a pretty disgusting one, but that's okay. Yeah at the

(36:25):
AS I told us one my own part as well.
But at the A when you're under eighteen, you can't
You basically have to sign out whenever you leave the
campus campus like atmosphere, when you're under eighteen. When you're
when you're under eighteen, you can't really go out and
party because you got to be back at twelve thirty
on a Saturday, and I think it was ten o'clock
on a weeknight. So Donday age guys like myself, we
couldn't really go party with the older guys. So the

(36:47):
eighteen year olds we have in the team, they could
go party, drink, go to clubs whatever. Right, So they
go out one night and they come back at like
three or four in the morning, come back to our
block and they wake myself and the team out of
up who shall remain nameless. And so we have these
kind of network phones you can call call each other's
room just on those regular wide old school phones that

(37:08):
kids these days probably don't know about. Yep. And I
call him and I say, man, this is a bullshit.
They came back at three in the morning. They're working
us up, They're making a shitload of noise. They went
to the top, top level room and they're parting in there,
continuing on the partying somewhere. We're gonna do something. So
I had a bunch of firecrackers, right, So I said,
I'm gonna lie a few of these and throw them

(37:29):
under the door. So I throw a few under the
door while they're in the room, goes off, bang, bang, bang, nothing.
They don't react. So there's a teammate of mine who
I know who ended up playing with later on, who'd
be like, oh, I just both ignore him, ignoreim. Is
just will piss him off if we ignore him, Right,
I always pissed off. They ignored it. I got no
I got no pushback, which is what I wanted, right,
So I'm like, man, what can we do? So in

(37:50):
that block, like everyone has their own room, and the
doors no one really locked them because we had a
main door at the front, so you just if you
went to someone else's room, you'd meet your door wide open.
So one of my teammates that I'm with, he goes, oh,
I told you about the sinks, right, because I'm gonna
go I'm gonna go shooting. I'm gonna go shooting someone sink.
So I'm like, oh, yeah, do it, do it, do it.

(38:13):
I'm gassing it up, like there's no way he's gonna
do it, like three in the morning, and like, how
can you just shoot on command? Like do it? Do it?
Do it right? So he goes downstairs. There was a
teammate ours and his door was just wide open, and
he was kind of more like he had a bit
of argus to him, but he was a quiet, kind
of soft guy. He wasn't wasn't really fighter. So his
door is the one that happens to be open, right,

(38:34):
and it's on the bottom floor. So my friend go
My teammate goes down there, jumps up on his sink,
squashed down, and I just hear it drop on the
sink and I'm just like, no, no way, he's really
done it right. So I'm like, oh, here we go.
So he yells at me like, hey, don't give me
some tilet paper from the bathroom. So I'm like all right,
So I run up and get some toilet paper. I
bring it back and give it to him, wipes his ass,

(38:54):
puts it, and the got puts the papers, and the
guy's been leaves the ship in the sink. So then
we go to bed, right, so I can't sleep. I'm
just sitting there in my bed like I'm just waiting,
just waiting like this, like what's gonna happen? And then
I hear we hear the door open from the top
top landing, so we're like, okay, they're eventually going to bed.
So then you hear everyone go down to their room.
You hear everyone's door shut, and the other guys in

(39:16):
the bottoms he gets their last. About three minutes later,
you just hear what the fuck, Oh my god, like,
you know, just losing he's losing it. So then you
just hear the click of everyone else's doors open up again,
like what's going on? It was like this big thing.
So a teammate, another teammate comes to my room, knocks
on my door. He's like, I know it was you.
You would do some shit like that. Why don't you

(39:37):
do that? He was like ready, he was like ready
to fight me, right, So I'm like, hey, if you
want to fight, let's do it. I'm just letting you
know I didn't do it, Like I didn't wrap my
teammate out. But I'm just like, I didn't do it.
It was not me. But if you want to fight,
we can go. And then it kind of calmed down.
So the kid they got sink shitted in, he picks up,
picks up the ship with his finds a stick, walks
out into the common area, throws it into the wall. Right.

(40:00):
So now this thing stuck onto a wall and kind
of like kind of like you know, dripped down the wall, right,
So there's like just a shit streak on the wall.
So then I guess in the morning, the coaches find
coaches find out that as find out they have to
lock the blockdown, right, they have to call the local
county or council. The dude came in in a hazmat

(40:22):
suit full hasmat like with the backpack and the Ghostbusters
ray had to close the blockdown. I think we got
kicked out for I think it was eight to ten hours.
Had to like spray it all down, you know, cassell
and like people can get sick. So we basically inadvertently
kicked ourselves out of our block for ten hours, and
there was like a big deal, Like the kid my
teammate got suspended for a week. That's just it's disgusting

(40:44):
and shoopid. But it's like on the on the ship.
That's how they found out. Yeah pretty much. Yeah, yeah
that matters. Wear a mask for a couple of weeks. Yeah,
but uh yeah, I mean that's that's a disgusting one
that some people will thinks funny, some won't. But when
you got a group of sixteen seventy year old boys
together dumb shootings, who's no question. Okay, so how did

(41:08):
you get to Utah? A long story, but there was
a coach named Ken Shields who was a Canadian basketball legend.
He had his fingerprints on Steve mashback in the day,
and he could come out to Australia and saw me
and was friends with the Magerison was like, you got
you gotta come out and recruit this guy. And they

(41:29):
got on me early, recruited me very early. Right when
I got to the as, no one really knew about me,
and then I just kind of stuck with them and
I was supposed to go over at the end of
two thousand and two, supposed to come over for Christmas
and red shirt that that Christmas tool following year and
then start my freshman year. And then I got screwed
with some transcripts. Then saadem me ineligible because I didn't

(41:52):
have enough science credits. I did a class called sports
Studies in Australia. There was half social, half physical credits,
and the NC DOUABLEA being the genius as they are, said, well,
it's either one or the other. It can't be social,
it can't be you know, physical, it can't be social,
can't can't be half half. It's one or the other.
So then side I put those credits towards. I was

(42:13):
short on the other side, so then I couldn't go over.
Rick Majerris pretty much went nuts at that assistant that
was recruiting me because he blamed him. Send him on
like a year recruiting trip. I didn't see him once
I got to Utah. I saw him one day. He
was gone the whole year. He blamed him for it,
but eventually got over there the next year. And was

(42:34):
it Johnson or was it Danny Daniels. No, it was
a guy named Sylvie Dominguez SYLB. Yeah, yeah, so he
was ty like you and Sulby together had to be
the most bizarre combo ever. Well, I never met him.
He was recruited from from remotely right, so he was

(42:55):
kind of it was him. Jeff Strong was involved as well,
but then he moved on to I Believe Marquette and
then carry Up. Carry Up came on later, but they
passed it on to Sylvia and then he was involved
with just my kind of communication, sending me the letters.
They just gave it to him to do all the
admin type stuff. And then when the transcripts didn't pass
when Ncuba, Rick just blamed him. And like I said,

(43:17):
I saw the guy for the guy. He came to
one training session that whole freshman year of mind never
saw him again, which is crazy. What what was your
first year like under wreck? It was real hard. I'm
not gonna lieu. He was, you know, may rest in peace.
I prefaced it that way. And he was one of

(43:39):
the best basketball minds I've ever played for. He was
a genius possible wise, like he thirty point scorers we're
playing against. We'll not score thirty against this. If they did,
they shoot twenty percent. He was, we would never be underprepared.
He was unbelievable as far as that when spacing execution
time and score unbelievable. But he was a coach that

(44:02):
would make you question how much you'd like to get
love the game every day, every day, not one not
one minute you spent with him, you wouldn't you wouldn't
question that. And I saw a lot of kids with
a lot of talent quit completely transfer hate life, hate
basketball because it was it was a mental battle daily.
He'd just be you know, he was hard, very very

(44:23):
very very hard. He wouldn't you know, he wouldn't be
able to coach today with with with the way things
are going. It would only take one person is sitting
there and record a training session with their phone and
he'd be gone, you know, because he was. He was very,
very hard and it kind of helped helped me get
to where where I am. But at the same time,
there was a struggle. You know, I was homesick. I
didn't know a person when I got off a plane

(44:45):
in Utah and he um, yeah, he was. He was tough.
Did he did he were you there? Did he take
the dump on the floor or was that when you
were there. No, that was that was yeah, that was
I think years before me where he said, yeah, if
you're gonna play like shit, you're training ship. But I
heard about that story. But he done. He used to
do so much crazy, so much crazy stuff. Well, so
so here's the here's the story I heard. And I

(45:08):
won't tell you who I heard it from, but when
when he left, right, so I'll give you. He recruited
me too when I'd transferred from Notre Dame to Oaklham State.
But Mark Jackson didn't play with you your first year, right,
Mark was your point guard. He quit, He quit, right,
and he quit because and again I don't uh, I'm

(45:29):
Majaris called him the C word was the only name
he would call him. He wouldn't call him Mark, right,
I caught everyone to Seaward. But yeah, ye, but but
but but Mark felt like that was He wouldn't call
him Mark, he wouldn't call him Jackson. He would just
call him the four letter C word. And so when
Jack Colletti got the job, Mark came into his office
and said, like, hey, coach, i'd you know, I'd like

(45:51):
to play. He's like should be like to have He's
like I got one, like, I just I have one.
It's not a request, like, I just one, basically one thing.
He's like, what is it? What is it? He's like, well,
you promise to never call me a cunt? And he
was like done, why would ever call He's like, because
that's the only thing that Rick would call me. Yeah, yeah,

(46:12):
And I mean it's and Mark Jackson. What's crazy about
it is Mark Jackson is the epitome of a Majaris player.
That dude was tough as shit, like diving or loose balls,
had a three point shot utime and score play. He'd
do anything you say going through that wall, he'd do it.
And you're just like, dude, you're railing the one guy.

(46:32):
It's like the epitome of what you coach for, what
you want out of your players. But he was. It
was great to get him back, but yeah, like that
was daily man. He used to use that word a lot.
It was you know, it was you know, all kinds
of stuff. Man, I go back to Australia, like he'd
your high school coaches were idiots. Who the hell coached you?
Their morons? Like every day man, You're just like like,

(46:54):
no let up, no let up at all. Um, I
speak about it. And I just did a Utah portion
of my journey for my freshman year on the Roadbows podcast,
And I still remember we had high school coaches come
to watch our practice one time, and he'd be cussing
them out, like just watching our practice session, and he'd
be like, you know, excuse my language. I hope this

(47:16):
isn't PG. But he'd be like, look at these cock
suckers up here watching my watching my practice. They're writing
down all my plays in their little notebooks. Defense and rebounding,
that's what wins games. They don't know. Shoot about execution,
they don't know. And you're just like these coaches are
up there, guests like, and they're just like, what do
we do? What do we do? But that's how he was.

(47:36):
He was just you know, he'd be cussing out on
the road. We'd have shoot arounds. God forbid of janitor
came in the ArenaBowl like that was up in the
fiftieth row. He just su see him and just start
lighting into him. Who is that motherfucker up there? Hey?
What do you you know? And you're just like, I'm
the janitor. I'm just here to clean the you know,
the left of a popcorn from last game and just
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that went to the final four, he was so he
was refused he was recruiting me. So this is ninety
ninety seven, so spring of ninety seven, No, yeah, spring

(50:10):
of ninety seven, yeah, yeah, So ninety six ninety seven,
he's recruiting me, and I went Notre Dame. I got
in trouble after starting as a freshman. I sat out
at a junior college in southern California, and so he
came and I would practice with the team but not play,
so I didn't lose a year. And he brought Jeff
Judkins and I think Donnie Daniels and I practiced for

(50:32):
two hours and then we talked, and then everybody had left,
and then he closed the doors and they worked me
out for like another hour and a half just meet. So, yeah,
you can play, Like, let's go get some neat. So
we go and they're playing UC Irvine and we go
and eat, and he was like telling me about how
he's on a diet he's been trying to watch Meanwhile,
like I got like a burger and fries, and I

(50:54):
look up and he's like eating all my fries and
he's asking me about my burger. And so then he
ordered the exact same burger I had. But what I
remember about him is obviously, I remember like how he
treats people is crazy. But I also remember like there
was a level of discipline that I had just never
seen before ever, where he would say like again Van
Horne was on the team, then then Hannah Metal of

(51:16):
those guys like two lunch and he could go back
to coaching and fucking keep Ben Horne touching, gets back
behind the line, sprints down, sprints back, and then gets
back in the drill. You know, like some coaches you're like, hey,
go give me a laugh or go around the line,
and guys are you know whatever, because they're mad. Like
there was none of that ship. So it's crazy that

(51:38):
he was, you know, boarderline abusive, but it did work,
and it was an incredible level of discipline as a
guy who like, dude, look you're a smart dude, you're
a free thinker. You know, you're you'll fuck around with anybody.
How did you handle the discipline nature obviously taking that
you're away from home and all that stuff, but how
did you handle somebody demanding all of these things of you,

(52:00):
which I just wondered how you personally held that it
was a battle at times, like it's just just because
it was every day that that was the thing. You
knew the moment he walked in the gym to the
moment he left, it was boss to the wall. And
I think that's where I think at times, maybe if
just once a month he gave some positive reinforcement, you'd
be like, oh, cool, like but that that wasn't him.

(52:22):
And the thing that shocked me most was like I
still remember a session like probably I was in there
for about a month or two and just railing into me,
railing into everyone. One session he was on me for
like three hours straight and then tell me everything and
go back to Australia, your coaches sucked, you know, blah
blah blah blah blah. And then the moment the session ended,

(52:43):
we walked off the court literally thirty centimeters from the
sideline and he it's like he was bipolo come up
to me, put his arm around me and said, hey, Bogan,
you know, you know, how how are you? You do anything?
You can? I take you out to you? You know,
do you need any any clothes? What do you you know?
You're just like man, this guy was just brailing me
for three hours straight, like telling me I'm the worst,

(53:04):
worst recruit ever, he regrets recruiting me and then, but
that's just how he was. And he would try to
overdo the off court stuff because he knew don't deep
down like he was he was he wasn't telling the line.
He was way over the line at times. He would
try to fix that by going over the top off
the court with making sure that you were good. And look,

(53:24):
I think he had he had a good heart deep down,
but he was just he was an intense, crazy dude
and that's just um. You know, I definitely got better
under him, and he taught me so much about especially
the defensive end and time and score was a big
one that he taught me about, don't take that shot
right now, we don't need that or you know, I
had no idea about that coming from Australia. So he

(53:44):
was definitely had had his imprints on my kind of
the way I played. I'm trying to think who the
player was. It's like David something other, God damn, And
he might have been David Jackson who transferred out of there.
There's a lot of guys that did the transfer out there,

(54:05):
but um so the Gonzaga guys they told me he
was I think it's David Jackson up, Yes, David, Yes,
David Jackson Portland Organ. So David Jackson in nineties. He
was there in ninety six, seven, ninety eight and he
played a little less than half the game and he
had up transferred to Organ. So the story goes, he

(54:26):
visited Gonzaga and those guys, Gonzaga guys are they're like
all of us right, like they're smart asses, they're really funny.
And so they sit down to have a meal on
his recruiting visit and they're like, uh, all right, we
can't eat until you give us one Rick story. And
he was like right now. He's like right now, we're

(54:46):
not ordering any advertisers, no drinks, no nothing, one Rick story.
So he goes, Okay. The other day they're like, whoa,
you gotta good one. The other day He's like yes
the other day. So story goes David Jackson, you know,
he's a sophomore. He's playing like fifteen minutes game, super
frustrated um and he decides, all right, I'm gonna I
want to maybe want to leave. And so before Christmas

(55:08):
break he goes in to see Rick and Rick's like,
you know, we'll just wait till after Christmas, brick and
see how it goes, you know. So, uh, he comes
back after christ and Christmas break and he's like he
knocks on the door and Rick answers the door in
his hotel room in a towel, right so because the
guy was always naked, right yeah, yeah, So so he

(55:31):
answered the door in his towel and said, oh, go on, David,
come on then come on. Then I just don't got
on a shower, you know, so can I get you anything?
You know, I got bridge full whenever He's like no, Rick, Rick,
It's okay. It's like listen. He's like hemming in hall
and listen, I you know, it's really hard for me.
And you believed in me, recrue to me and played
me some. He looks up and Rick is like out out.

(55:57):
So now he's sitting there going like all right, like
do I wait till the lakes up nudge him. He's
just I just want to ask for my release, right
man to man, face to face, raise him a good family,
right going. So finally lakes Rick up and oh oh
oh David, David him, I'm so sorry, so sorry. He's

(56:18):
like yeah, Rick, as he's like yeah, you know, there's
there's medication I'm on just you know, it makes me
fall asleep. It's like and he like peels back and
he's like, got a big swollen ball. He's like, look
at what to do to that ball? And David was like, Rick,
I want my release, I want to transfer tomorrow. I'm out.

(56:39):
Like he literally never talked him ever again because he
showed him his big swollen ball because of some medications.
Oh man, He's used to wear shorts that were too
small that he was to sit down to practice. He
sit down to the bottom of the basket. Stansions he's
not to be hanging out. Um. He came in recruiting me.
He actually came out for a visit to Australia for
forty eight hours and played in a rural city outside

(57:01):
of Melbourne. So I drove back with my junior coach.
He carry her up in a car to our drive
and the same thing with the sleeping. He would be
like he was railing me about the way I played
because I played shop that game. You know, Bill Goood,
you need to do this, you need to do that,
And then he'd just hear snoring mid conversation. He just
starts snoring, and I'm just like I looked at my

(57:22):
junior coach, look at carry Up, and carry Up just
gave me one of these ones like, oh, I don't know.
And then so I'm like, cool, long drive, I can
kind of just look out the window and chill out
for a bit. And then fifteen minutes later he'd wake
up and con see the conversation from where he left it.
So I was just like this dude, like there were
red flags there already, like I should have liked, but

(57:43):
I was like, this dude was crazy. Then he like
came to my team dinner with my mom and my dad.
I was just saying, reckless, shooting down the table. My
dad's like about to kill the dude. My Dad's like, oh,
I got to keep a car for my son. It's
a great opportunity, like you know, one of those ones.
He parted at the table like it was just due
like the table. Yeah, he was rectly. He didn't care, man,

(58:05):
He did not He did not care. And um I
had I had a friend of mine who was a
teammate of mine, was from Compton, California. Um it was
because it was Richard Cheney. Richard Cheney I think it
was um from that area anyway, And he said that
during the recruiting visit, you know, he was you know,

(58:25):
they put on a big feast African American family, you know,
and Rick eight and then just went and fell asleep
on their couch during the recruiting visit with the parents.
You're just like, what are you doing? Man? So they're
just like sitting around looking at each other, like what
do we do? Sleep on the couch just like no
focks given, wakes up, all right, thanks for dinner, and

(58:47):
just leaves like crazy dude, man. But there's the beauty
of the beauty of people that have played for Rick.
With Jerris exactly what you just hit on is when
we catch up, it's just these stories gone for hours,
and it's just so funny because you know, like I
played with Kevin Leash who played at University of Saint Louis,
so he's out here. He's a naturalized AUSI now but

(59:07):
an American, but he played for Ma Jared's and Saint Louis.
So we were just we'd go out to eat when
I played with him two seasons ago and just tell
stories about this for hours. You just lose track of time,
but it's hilarious, so did it. So here's what I
always tell my coach is a hard ass coach sudden

(59:27):
and they were, and they were brutal to us, but
I felt like it was like they would create this
them against us intentionally, and it made us closer together,
like we were, like to this day, we're super close.
All the guys I played. There's like one dude who's
out there we don't like associate with, but everybody else
were like super close with. Didn't do that where it
made you guys because you all hated him and made

(59:49):
you somehow it was like a genius coaching technique to it. Yeah,
I don't. I don't think that was strategic by him,
but yeah, and I think that you're definitely right. Whenever
you have a hot ass coach, I think it does
bring the playing group together even somewhat. The assistance are
probably even closer to the players, and there should be
because they know they have to like give a few
more hugs and and you know, try to keep guys

(01:00:11):
chins up because it's just so hard at times. But yeah,
you definitely make a valid point. I think any any
hard ass coach the players, if the players aren't together,
or at least you see it in professional sports a
lot that coach doesn't last very long. All right, So Ray,
Jack'll let it get to the job. What what was
What was that like? It was interesting because at the

(01:00:34):
time I really wanted to carry up to get the job.
He was a head assistant. He took over when Rick
left my freshman year halfway through the year and did
a pretty good job, and we all loved him, and
then it kind of hurt when he didn't get it,
to be honest, because we didn't know much about about
Ray and he came from a smaller school and guys
are kind of like, what the hell, And they came
in with with a lot of, you know, kind of

(01:00:54):
methodical type offense, a lot of backcuts, Princeton type stuff,
and a lot of guys kind of struggled to you know,
I guess buy into that. But then once they realized
he was a good person, it was a polar opposite
of kind of what they've dealt with with Rick. That
you know, he wasn't going to drop the sea bomb,
he wasn't going to cuss you out or session. He'd
fire up when he needed to, and for me, it was.

(01:01:18):
It was a god said, you know, we got into
it early. We had we had a few runnings early
in his tenure, and once we ironed those out, it
was never looking back. And he let me. He basically
gave me the keys to the team and said you're
our guy. We're going as far as you take us.
And it was a really good year for us. No. Yeah,
he had a great year. Okay, so the year gets done,

(01:01:38):
what's what's the decision like in terms of pros coming back, etc. Well,
the more my sophomore year went on, I went from
late first round pick too. Before my sophomore year, that's
where I was projected. I had a really good Olympics,
you know, for playing against the Dream team in the
US and other countries and growing men essentially. So I
was late first and then I was mere and then

(01:02:00):
by the end of the season it was like, this
guy's the top five picks. So I wasn't really ready
to go to the NBA. To be honest with your
body wise, like I was still two twenty five at
that time pounds back in the era where there were
Shack ye ow Dwight Howard, you need to be two
fifty two sixty two even compete. I wasn't grown into
my body yet. I couldn't put on weight, for shit,
no matter what I did. I ate burgers and pizza

(01:02:22):
and fright like whatever I could do, couldn't put a weight,
which just took me a while to grow into my body.
So I knew I wasn't ready physically, but I'd be
an idiot to pass up a chance to go top five,
come back for another year, get hurt, something happens. I
was also advised the longer you stay in college, you
might get nitpicked even more by scouts. They might start
nitpicking little things in your game. So timing wise, I

(01:02:43):
had to go. And Ray was awesome about it. The
school was awesome, and he was like, I'm not letting
you come back. Even if you want to come back.
You need to go to the NBA. You're ready. You're
kind of too good for college. We don't really have
anyone that's going to make you get better. You're going
to be the top of the totem pole. So you
need to go get your ass key for a couple
of years to get better. And that was kind of
the decision made. I mentioned the Oh four Olympics, well,

(01:03:07):
what if you close your eyes and you think of
the defining things that you remember about representing your country,
which is incredible and playing at that level of basketball,
what do you remember just the confidence it gave me
coming back for my sophomore year because I played against
grown men and held my own. That's some really good
games there, and it just made me finally realize I

(01:03:30):
can play not only against grown men, but at an
NBA level. So then when I got back to college,
I felt like I was playing with boys again. I
felt like I was I wouldn't say I was arrogantly
above them, but I just felt like I was a
man amongst boys, and I created that way just to
kick everyone's ass week in week out, because I felt like, hey,
I was just I was giving it to Tim Duncan,

(01:03:50):
I was. I was holding my own against him. Duncan
one of the best bigs of all time and I
was nineteen years old. So that gave me a huge
confidence boost going into into my sophomore year in college.
What about the fact that you had gone from you know,
an emergency guy and not making those teams to being
on the Olympic That had to that had to be
pretty incredible. Yeah, in two years. Essentially that was a

(01:04:12):
crazy thing. Like I went from being a relative nobody
in the basketball world and then from you know, in
a space of two and a half to three years
and the number one pick, like it was, it just
came together so quickly for me, and I guess and
police mentalities, next thing, next thing, next thing, And that
was my mentality. It was like, who's ask can I

(01:04:32):
kick next? Where am I going? Who? Where can I go?
Where I get my ass kicked a little bit? I
can get better? And that was kind of always what
I had in my mind as a young fellow. And
I wasn't one of those kids that was a prodigy
from eleven, twelve thirty that you just knew that that
kid Lebron James Ian Williamson that he was going to
be a BA player. It was like, where the hell
did this kid come from? Like why don't we know

(01:04:54):
about him? Number one pick? You know, And I'm pretty
proud of that, Yeah, I was. I don't know if
you remember, we actually hung out at a bar, some
random bar, super late at night. Draft night, you guys
had everybody had bogey Man hats on and uh and
and we it was. It was a late, late, long
night to to go from that to the number one

(01:05:15):
pick in the NBA. Did you know that the Bucks
were taking your number one? No, they wouldn't tell me. No,
they wouldn't tell me. So they wanted to keep that
one in a surprise. So we we we kind of asked,
well grilling and the agent was a little bit but
they wouldn't They wouldn't chow us a hand. What's that? Like?
I was, it was amazing. Just I mean, go through

(01:05:36):
that feel like it feel like it was sixteen years ago.
Sixteen years ago. It feels like a long time ago.
But when you're in the midst of your NBA career,
that goes quick. But yeah, just that draft process, having
my family there and like I said, just a journey
that I had to take from from me, a young
young fella to go to be a stage and go
number one. Like for me playing like NBA basketball, playing

(01:06:01):
profession in Australia. If he would have told me at
twelve thirteen, like someone's going to pay you and give
you money to play basketball? Done, where do I sign?
I never thought the NBA was it was a fantasy.
It was like it was that fantasy TV show that
you just knew like I'm never going to get there,
but it'd be nice to get there. And then I
got there and it was like, wow, I'm actually here. Okay,

(01:06:21):
so you get there. Um, when you got there, your
first Bucks team was a weird match, right. You had
like TJ Forward was he was young point guard and
then he had some old guys. You had like Tony
Cookoach on your team as well. Yeah, what were the
how are the old guys to you? They also had
Irvan Johnson, so they basically brought Johnson back for a

(01:06:42):
season basically the mental me and he was awesome to
me like he was was basically his role was like
take care of Bogus. So he he'd sit on the
bus near me when we go on road trips and
give me the scattered report going into the arenas after
we land get to Minnesota. Hey, Candy does this. It's
going to do this, you know, like so he would.

(01:07:03):
He was a really good mentor for me. Um. Tony
Kukach was was an idol of mine as a kid,
so it was kind of surreal to be my rookie
year was his last year, but Tony was kind of
burned out at that point. He was kind of to
an extend and angry veteran where he he'd beat through
all the bullshit of THEBA and was kind of like
on a knife stage to just snapping every day. But

(01:07:26):
he was good fun though. I mean, as long as
Tony got he's eighteen holes of golf and he was good. Um.
So then we had Michael Read obviously, Desil Mason was there,
so the roster was kind of all over the place
trying to piece it together. But it was an interesting
transition for me. The first Now was there a moment
like a welcome to the NBA, Like I think your
first game was against Chris Webber, right, Like your first

(01:07:48):
NBA game was Alan Iverson. I'm looking Alan Averson, Chris
and Chris Webber. By the way, they had I'm Drew Goodala,
Kyle Quiver, Chris Webber, Alan Iverson in their in their
studying lineup. You do you remember that game at all? Yeah?
I do, I do. I remember we stole that game.
At the end. I think we you know, we're pretty

(01:08:08):
close to the whole game. And then they won that one,
and then I think we went to New Jersey and
won another close one, but yeah, I mean it was
just surreal. I mean I was a big I was
a big sacrament of Kings fans today when they had
you know, that beautiful ball movement back in the early
two thousands, and they were you know, they were up
there for almost beating the Lakers, So I knew, you know,
see where I watched a lot of these games, and
it was kind of surreal just to be out there

(01:08:29):
and competing with those guys and actually having a good
game to open up Rocie campaign. You know, it's interesting. Um,
here's how I felt like when I played in Europe
when I've seen Aussie's play, is that I think there's
a respect for American basketball, Like we respect how good
those dudes are, but you don't not you personally, but

(01:08:50):
they don't love how Americans play right in that. I
always feel like the Aussie's feel like they're a little
bit tougher. They're more about team. Um, and you know,
it's it's more it's definitely five playing as one, whereas
kind of the American especially the NBA basketball, it's in
the shock like hey I'm just better than you. I'm

(01:09:11):
gonna jump up and make a shot and so there's
like a there's like a respect, but maybe not. Is
that is that accurate? Or am I just sensing that that,
especially like I don't think the Spaniards, the Lithuanians, the
Italians like I don't. I don't think they like American
style basketball, especially the NBA and maybe the persona of it.
As an Australian who's played there, played for the national

(01:09:33):
team and played in the NBA, is that a fair
sense of how our game or the NBA style of
game is viewed. Yeah, to an extent. Look, we as
a national team, just speaking for Australia, we know we're
not kind of out telling the US like it's just
not going to happen. Most countries aren't kind of out
telling them. So we have to rely on being together,

(01:09:54):
having a good culture, moving to the ball, playing the
right way, sitting good screens, all those small things that
we generally know the US team won't do because at
the end of the day, like you said, the US
can just throw it to Kevin Durant or Steph Curry
and be like, get us a bucket. You know, we
don't have that luxury. We have to we have to
be clinical with our execution. We have to box out,
we have to get rebounds, we can't turn the ball over.

(01:10:16):
So yeah, there is an argument to that, but that's
why the US had to beat They can have a
horrible game and and still beat you just based on talent.
But as far as basketball purity, you obviously. For me personally,
I like to watch the teams they move the ball
and where everyone's involved. I'm kind of I'm not a
huge fan of isolation basketball from a viewing perspective. I

(01:10:37):
like to see you know, sneaky sets, you know, kidders,
good ball movement, you know that kind of stuff. It
is nice to see a guy like you know, when
Clay Thompson dropped thirty five, that just gets hot. That's great, fantastic.
But as far as just some guy dribbling fifteen twenty
times to get a shot up, I don't. I don't
enjoy watching that. Some people do, I don't. No, I

(01:10:58):
don't need it. It's like I said, it's about games
hard at all the time. He's a great basketball and
I think he's fantastic basketball. I can't stand to watch
him play, and I'm in no way in dating his talent.
It's the way in which his talent was used, especially
in Houston. Oh, no doubt, And I totally agree. It's
just not and that's the way the game's gone. It's
become an ISO game, and it's become you know, shooting.

(01:11:22):
If we shoot more threes than you are probably gonna
have a been a chance of winning. And at times
it's hard to watch. And that might be the old
man in me. Now I'm that old that old city
call former fleet that now is. You know, it's not
it's not a case of shitty on the younger generation.
I think each generation gets better than the previous one.
But it's just the way the game is now. It's
it's just not as fun to watch. Okay, So you

(01:11:44):
were in Milwaukee for like seven years, right, Um, did
you know that they were thinking about moving? No, so
they they I asked to be moved. So two thousand
and I've gone through that injury run kind of just
just got out of it. Um, look out year twenty

(01:12:07):
eleven and twelve, I come back. I asked, you know,
the thing when Milwaukee was we were evolving door for
so many years, Like every year I'd come back and
we'd have eight or nine or ten new faces, new players,
and I'm like, how we're going to build something, How
we're going to build a culture, How we're going to
build continuity, Like when you have that many new faces,
it's just not going to work. We need to you know,

(01:12:28):
we're a small market team. We can't just can't just
go and sign free agents, you know, and make trades
and try to hit home runs. And they kept trying
to do that, and um, I went in and just said, look,
I think, you know, I've played out what I can here.
I think it's time to move on for both of us.
And they said, no, we're not moving you. When I'm
going to get cool value back for a good center

(01:12:49):
in the NBA, you know, you're still very available to us.
And I think that was, you know, a little league
and blocks the season before, I was really coming to
my own defensively, and they just said And then two
weeks later, Carl Larry shoots a floata, tries to chase
his own floater down, undercuts me. I break my ankle

(01:13:10):
and was then out for the rest of the season.
Jim was in the hot seat at the time. Coaches
in the hot seat at the time that had to
make a playoff push and they thought more ship Boss
isn't going to play for the rest of the season.
If we can get some value back, we'll move him.
And I got traded from Montelis, who then helped them
get the seat in the playoffs, and I went to
Golden State. Okay, So that's the end of Part one

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listen to Part two, which has warrior stuff, warriors cabs stuff.
What happened in that series when they're up three games
to one, What it was like to have to watch
when they lost the NBA Finals, How do you balance
that out with coming back to three games to one
down to Oklahoma City in the exact same year, What
it was like to leave Golden State, What it is

(01:13:58):
like to watch them win a title with him? What
does he think of Kevin Durant, What does he think
of Steph Curry? What does he think of all of
these guys? What is he What was the difference for Gene,
Mark Jackson and Steve Kerr. All of this to come
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