January 9, 2019 • 43 mins
Colin goes through the coaching hires in the NFL and thinks only one makes sense while the others are just teams with low sports self-esteem. Some stats point out that Dak is actually a really good QB and Colin isn't all that surprised. Plus, FS1's Nick Wright and NBC's Peter King have problems with the Cardinals hiring Kliff Kingsbury and they explain why. Presented by Perky Jerky.
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Nick Wright, Peter King, Casey Hayward of the Chargers, Rob Parker.
Of course, Joy Taylor is joining me today. Joy, how
are you great? Good morning, Good morning. I love this
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time of the year. We got coaching moves crazy. That's
a time bla blah blah blah. It's hum blah blah
blah blah. Okay, So this happens a lot in society.
Everybody chases the exception instead of the rule. What do
you mean, Colin. Seven of the eight remaining coaches in
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the playoffs are fifty year older. Everybody's hiring young guys.
It's incredible. By the way, Tampa Bay is sort of
the Cleveland Browns of the NFC. It's a graveyard for coaches.
Seven of the last eight years in fourth place, haven't
won a playoff game in ten years, haven't been to
the playoffs in ten years. But they actually hired a
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grown up yesterday. Bruce Arians. Carson Palmer's best years with
Bruce Arians, Peyton Manning, Andrew Locke, Big Ben worked with
all of them, got the Super Bowls. Bruce Arians a
grown up. He's a say, six year old man, been
a coordinator multiple times, head coach, now a second time.
By the way, the last time the Browns made the playoffs,
Bruce Arians was the coordinator. But Cleveland's not interested in him.
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Now there's Arizona, either's Green Bay. No, he's old. So
let's look now that Tampa Bay made the best hire
so far, Let's actually look at the remaining three teams
and what they're doing. Oh, it looks like this morning
Cleveland's going to hire Freddie Kitchens. He I don't believe
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he's been a high school coach, never been a high
school head coach, He's never been hired as a coordinator.
He's in his forties. No, no, no no, he was given
the interim job for eight games this year. Never actually
been hired by a team in the NFL to be
a coordinator. He is now going to be an NFL
head coach. Good luck in your own division facing Mike
Tomlin twice a year, John Harbaugh twice a year. Good
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luck when you face Andy Reid Frank Reich, who was
actually a quarterback and a hell of a coordinator and
a great coach. Congratulations getting the young guy with no experience.
By the way, let's look at Arizona. Arizona hired Cliff Kingsbury.
By the way, everybody thinks he's the next Sean McVay.
Does everybody realize their offenses don't even look alike Cliff Kingsbury.
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Just a heads up here against big twelve teams with
winning records, he was four and thirty one. It's not
a misprint. If you take away games against Kansas, the
worst program in college football, and you take away FCF schools.
He was sixteen and forty at Texas Tech. Let's give
him an NFL job. Good Hell, how about Matt Lafleur.
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Matt Lafleur been a coordinator for one year, and Tennessee's
offense got worse. This is from a coach who worked
with Matt la Fleur. I got this information last night.
This is from a coach who worked with Matt Lafleur.
He's smart, very strategic, doesn't have great leadership skills. Excuse me,
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doesn't doesn't have great leadership skills. All Aaron Rodgers, Green
Bay Packer's iconic brand. Okay, I'm done. Cliff Kingsbury got
fired by his alma mater. Lu Fleur had a job
for one year as a coordinator, not known as a leader,
sort of important. And Cleveland's gonna hire a guy who
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no team in the NFL ever gave an offensive coordinator
job to hiring him. He got inserted as an interim.
Tampa Bay went and hired a grown blank man, a
man who's been to Super Bowls, a man who has
coached Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning and Big Ben and
gave Carson Palmer as best coaching. You're all all you Cleveland's,
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and all you Arizonas and all you Green Bays. You're
chasing the exceptions. Sean McVay. He's the exception. The rule
is seven of the eight coaches who remain in the
NFL this weekend are fifty or older. By the way,
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I thought everybody want coach Baker Mayfield. Well, where's the
list of all the candidates that they didn't. Kingsbury wouldn't
give m an interview. Mike McCarthy not interested, Bruce Arians,
Oh that job really right? No? No, Freddy Kitchens, by
the way, he does look a little bit like Mike McCarthy.
I'll say, I'll say that you couldn't hire Mike McCarthy,
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hire any that kind of looks like him. So there's that. Okay,
all right, let me shift to this. We have a
great show today. Not gonna do much NBA, but this
needs to be noted. This was significant. Congratulations to Ryan Saunders.
I work with his father, the late great Flip Saunders.
Wonderful man. I work with him at the other place
he passed away. He was a pleasure to work with
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and a just a sweetheart of a man. His son
is Ryan Saunders. He won his first game last night.
He's the coach now the Minnesota Timberwolves, which is really cool.
He's a young man and he won his first game.
And so um, let's just let's just I don't know,
randomly show you the last last play of that game
against Oklahoma City they beat Okay s. Let's let's watch it.
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Let's drop down Lord Ower, the quarter walk, the trible,
the three offensive three about uns Westbrook with fall TB
three no good, the five coming me, no good, and
multiple chances for the thunder that time Westbrook with two looks.
I just could not get a bawl. The fall form
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unfortunate for the thunder. Excuse me, it was Russell Westbrook.
Excuse me. So that was an airball for our radio
listeners who didn't hear the ball hit the rim. It didn't.
That second three was an air ball and he was open.
This is why Kevin Durant left Okaysee one hundred and
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seventy five NBA players have shot ninety threes this year.
Westbrook is one hundred seventy fifth since December first. James
Harden is the leading scorer in the NBA and Paul
George is second. Paul George last night had hit five threes.
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Paul George is an elite three point shooter, and he
was reduced to catching Russell Westbrooks air ball. Why is
Russell Westbrook still shooting threes? Why is he still shooting
five a game? He's shooting twenty three percent on the year,
and by the way, his five per game are the
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most of his career. Paul George is a better shooter.
Nobody would deny that he's not getting any looks at
the end of games because the Oklahoma City thunder have
enabled and are terrified to say, Russell stop shooting those.
This is why Kevin Durant said I'm out. This is
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why they had to move James Harden. You can't play
with him. Paul George is an elite catch and shoot player,
one of the best in the league. He's six eight,
generally six eighty. Get a good look at the end
of games that are long. He's a great shooter. He
was hot. He almost always is since December first second
in the NBA, after James Harden, who's also read hot.
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You would not avoid Russell. If James Harden played, wouldn't
you give him the last shout on this team? Why
wouldn't you get Paul George. This is what Oklahoma City
has done at one point. Think about this. Oklahoma City
had James Harden Westbrook and Kevin Durant and their management
chose not the MVP Harden, not the second best player
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in the league, Russell Westbrook. And as the game has
evolved into a shooters league, Oklahoma City is now officially
the worst three point shooting team in the league. And
symptomatic of that is last night Russell Westbrook. They designed
plays for Russell Westbrook and Paul George was reduced to
catching his airball ten years in the league, in airball
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on an open three. You want to know I k
he left. You want to know whether there's that video
out of KD laughing couple years ago at Arssell Westbrook
jacking up threes. This is it when you are a
fear based organization and Oklahoma City is petrified that Harden
and Kevin Durant now gone, they can't tick off Russell Westbrook.
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This is what you get. I'm not a hater for
pointing out something that is true. One hundred and seventy
five NBA players have shot ninety threes or more this year.
He's one hundred and seventy fifth, and yet the organization,
knowing that, designed the final two shots last night because
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they wanted him to be a hero. They did. They
wanted him to be the star. This is why I said,
Paul George, be careful. Congrats on the extra bank, congrats
on the lettuce. But guys have played with him and
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they left. And that's why one more herd. The Herd
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on demand whenever you'd lie. So we got breaking news here.
So again, grown ups Tampa Bay hired a grown up,
Bruce Arians, an experience grown up whose coach Andrew Luck
and then Big Ben and Peyton Manning and you know,
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Carson Palmer was best years of his life. It looks
like Freddie Kitchens just got named coach of the Cleveland Browns.
Never been hired by a team as an interim or
as an offensive coordinator. But hey, Cliff Kingsbury, Freddie Kitchens,
Matt Leffler, they're young, they're cheek bones. I mean, it's
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unbelievable to me. Seven of the eight coaches left are
fifty year older and everybody wants the new offensive guy.
It is amazing to me. By the way, Denver's gonna
hire Vic Fangio and bring back Gary Kubiak as an
offensive coordinator. Two grown ups, two grown ups. I mean,
it's incredible to me what is happening. So and by
the way, everybody told me everybody wanted to coach the
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Cleveland Browns, and I kept pushing back and saying, in
my lifetime, the Cleveland Browns have never been the best
job opening, unless they're the only job opening, and even
then I'd pass. You can't tell me Cleveland's the best
job opening. Is this is if who you hired this guy.
I've never been a high school coach, So I said,
when Baker Mayfield came out, I said, be very careful,
I said, Baker. There are two things I said when
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Baker Mayfield came out during the draft. Now, Joy, you
weren't on the show at the time about the draft,
but I think you remember me saying these two things.
I said two things. He won't be a bust because
he just too darn accurate as a thrower. I said.
The second thing is he is going to have to
overcome Cleveland dysfunction constantly, and he's already at his coach
fired and now this is his head coach. Good luck.
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And by the way, everybody's like, oh man, but Freddie Kitchen. Listen.
We saw Lamar Jackson win, Jim Tim Tebow win the
wild coot offense. Things work, Dreeks happen in the NFL.
You don't hire a coach because of you know, you
won four to five games. Cleveland Beach, Cincinnati a couple
of times. In Atlanta they got smoked, you know, by
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the Chargers. They got whacked by Baltimore. Right, I mean,
it's like, come on, but this is what I said
about Baker Mainfield. Everybody kept telling me Browns was the
best job opening. So this is who they hired, the
least qualified candidate on the market. Well, I mean with
Baker this year, they were Greg Williams, by the way,
was the head coach, and they gave him nothing. He's gone.
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I mean, if you're gonna hire one of the two,
hired Greg Williams. Greg Williams as a man, Greg Williams
has won games. Greg Williams has been hired by seven
teams as a coordinator. I mean this is classic Cleveland.
You know, low self esteem sports teams. If you just
rubbed their tummy, you tell them they're beautiful, you give
them a little three game winning streak. They're like, oh
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my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god,
We're gonna hire this guy. Mak He's ever been high
go ahead coach. Incredible. All right, So I'm seeing a
story today. Tom Brady basically said, I'm not sure if
we have sound on it. Tom Brady basically came out
yesterday he does this thing Why Sports Matter podcast, and
Brady came out and basically said, he's got more to accomplish,
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which is, you know, absurd considering all he's accomplished. We
do have a Brady sounds. This is one of the
things Tom Brady talked about yesterday and is Why Sports
Matter podcast here it is. I still I feel those
things so accomplish, and I've had an opportunity, based on
all the things that've happened in the last twelve years
of my life, you know, to put myself in a
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position to achieve things that no one else has achieved.
So I feel like I kind of have to do. It.
Ain't gonna be hard to do, but I think I
can do it. Okay, first of all, forget average players.
Even legends retire poorly. John Elway is the only legend
ever ever perfect ending. When John Elway retired, it was shocking.
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He was just winning his second in back to back
Super Bowls and he was the MVP, and he could
still play. He could still play. John Elway's the only
legend every like Kobe Bryant scored sixteen his last game,
but the last couple of years, he was an incredibly
inefficient player. Peyton Manning hoisted a trophy last year, but
in that year he'd been replaced by Brock Osweiler. He
was a shell of himself. John Elway is the only
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guy to do it right. He retired like Johnny Carson,
Last shows Great Seacrest, I'm out. John Elway was still great.
He was a Super Bowl MVP. He was running the league.
John Elway controlled the NFL and said I'm done, Like
that's how you do it. But even in the NBA,
Michael Jordan, Wizards, sad A Chimlajuan, Raptors, bad shack, pathetic,
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you know, have luggage, will travel. It was like nine teams.
So I don't want to see Tom Brady limping at
seven and nine with thirteen picks in four games midseason
saying I'm out. But here's the re Tom Brady. There's
a narrative out there that it should be really easy
for Tom to retire. He's got the net worth, he's
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got the legacy, and he's got the rings. I think
it's incredibly hard for two reasons to retire. Okay, the
dysfunction and that division between the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins
virtually assures he's going to win the Vision every year.
And Bill Belichick's the best coach. Ever, it's very difficult
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to retire as an executive at Apple, at Netflix, at Amazon,
at Google. Business is good. You own the world. It
is very easy to retire twelve years ago at Blockbuster Video.
It's easy to retire when you're losing your average Derek
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Jeter's numbers go down. But I think it's hard. If
I'm seventy years old and I'm on the air and
I'm still growing and near the top or at the
top of this business, that's hard to retire. To me,
that's hard. It's easy to retire if I can't get
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through shows, if I have no energy, if i'm my
ratings are going down seventeen percent a year, that makes
it easy that decisions made for me. You know, I'm
not dumb. You hear the hinch from bosses, you see
the riding on the wall. I think Brady retiring is hard.
If Tom Brady was in a division facing Patrick Mahomes
twice a year and Philip Rivers twice a year and
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Derek Carr twice a year, and Denver can figure their situation, Oh,
it's easy to retire. And you're battling to be SiZ
seven to nine. You are in the playoffs every third
year when you have Belichick, and you face the Dolphins twice,
the Jets twice, and the Bills twice, I think it's
incredibly difficult. I think Tom Brady's smart. He doesn't want
to limp off. He didn't want to do it like
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Peyton Manning and didn't want to do it like Derek
Jeter or Kobe and have one last great at bat
or game. Tom's not what he used to be. But
you can't quit now. You can't leave now you're leaving wins.
You could leave a super Bowl. I don't think so
you'll leave in a super Bowl on the table. John
always the only legend that walked out and could still
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win another one and was still great and with Super
Bowl MVP that is rare, and so my gut feeling
is Brady stays a year too long. It maybe next year,
the year after. But I understand why it's not easy.
It's really tough. Be sure to catch live editions of
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I'm being an agist and I'm against young people, but
I don't think I am. All these young coaches getting
jobs in the NFL with virtually no NFL experience as
even being a coordinator, and with that via the Coward
Global Satellite Network, Nick Wright joins me, Nick, let's start
with this, and again, I'm rooting for all these guys
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because the NFL is better with fun offenses and progressive offenses.
So I'm rooting for all of them. But Cliff Kingsbury
was four and thirty one against ranked teams in the
Big Twelve. What do you make it? His hire man?
I understand the argument for it. He was the coach
at Houston when case keenum broke records. Who's the coordinator
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at A and AMA when Manzille won the Heisman? He
coached Pat Mahomes. He knows Sean McVeagh. I get all.
I get all the reasons that you want to hire
the guy when Josh Rosen is your future, and maybe
it works out, but I have to be honest. What
bothers me the most about the Cliff Kings very higher
is that he was interviewing in the first place. I
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have no problem with upward mobility. I have no problem
with people leaving jobs early. But I do think if
you take a job, you should be there more than
I don't know, thirty days given a year, and Colin,
you and I have talked about this. In my life.
There was there was a moment where I accepted a
job and literally the next morning, less I hadn't signed anything,
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I could have easily extricated myself. Then next morning I
got a phone call from a different place offering me
what I thought was my dream job, and I let
them finish their offer. I swallowed hard and I said,
I really appreciate it. I wish you'd called me twelve
hours ago, but I accepted a job yesterday, and I'm
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not ashamed to say it. I hung up the phone
and I cried because I thought I was walking away
from the only job I'd ever wanted, but I had
given someone my word. I hadn't gone interviewed, taken a position, signed,
told young people I'm gonna come be their coordinator, and
two weeks later been like, hey, bro, you know turns
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out crazy thing. There's NFL openings. I didn't know that
was on the calendar. Riddle me that. I don't like
how we went about this. Maybe he'll be good, but
this rubs me the wrong way. I know that's kind
of like an old man yelling at a cloud take
but that's if you take a job, do the job,
at least temporarily before you look for the next job.
I agree, Baker Mayfield hottest job. Everybody wants to coach him.
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Mike McCarthy's got a super Bowl resurrected, Brett Farve's career
helped create to some degree. Aaron Rodgers not interested, reportedly
not interested, Bruce arians I want it. Took Jamis Winston instead. Okay,
I'm sorry, Nick, and I'm not trying to be anti
Baker here, but if Baker's all at Freddie Kitchens, is it.
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He'd never been hired by a team as a coordinator.
He was an interim coordinator. I don't understand why the
Browns went with Freddie Kitchens. I do understand why some
of the top candidates might not have been interested in
the job absent of Baker Colin. I have learned this
from you. What is the number one thing or one
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of the number one things you look at you've looked
at manage when deciding if you want to take Yeah,
who do you work for? And Jimmy Haslam is not
a guy that I think you can trust, whether you're
going to one of his gas stations or whether you
want to coach his football team. Like Jimmy Haslam, I
think we're at ten combined head coaches in general managers.
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And I know people love John Dorsey, but John Dorsey
is not the boss there. Jimmy Haslam is, and so
I think that might have cooled some of some people
who otherwise would be interested in working for Dorsey and
working with Baker. To me, I didn't look at this
as an indictment on Baker Mayfield. I looked at this
as a lot of teams, a lot of coaches saying, man,
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is this more than a two year window because of
who the owner of the team is. I like your take.
That's good. That's fair. That's a very fair take. My
take may have been a little anti Baker. That's a
very fair take, Baker. I apologize you. Can I tell
you a take of Can I tell you a take
of yours? I didn't like that. I just heard a
moment ago. Yeah please? Are you? Are you entertaining working
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until you're seventy because part of my career path involves
at some point taking over for you and I ain't
got twenty five years away, bro, Like, I'm trying to
I love my gig, but I'm trying to get back
to LA before I die. You're like, oh, maybe I'll
larry King this thing that you and I ain't talked
about that Okay, you get me in hysterics here, all right,
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I gotta throw this out now. There is a lot
of pressure on one team in the NFL this weekend
and at Kansas City. But between I love Andy Reid,
but there's like a number out there, and did he
not winning those playoff games? And Patrick Malmes is the MVP,
and you lived in Kansas City and worked there, and
they're not really good at winning playoff games even at home?
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Would you acknowledge Indianapolis comes into your former hometown with
house money, hottest team in the league, Kansas City is
going to be tight. There's all that. More than any
of the eight playoff teams, your Chiefs. There is massive
pressure to win this game. Am I crazy? No, You're
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not crazy. I think the most pressures on the Rams
only because eleven wins last year home playoff game one
and done. If they then go thirteen wins a bye
home playoff game one and done, I feel like Matt
Laflour and Cliff Kingsbury were smart to take these jobs
now because if the Rams lose this weekend, knowing Sean
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McVay looking like Sean McVay having Shawn is your middle name,
maybe is not quite the chip it is otherwise. But
to year point about the Chiefs, listen, the Chiefs have
lost a home playoff game after a bye where they
lose by three points and miss three field goals. They've
lost a home playoff game after a bye where they
can't make the other team punt a single time. They've
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lost a game to Andrew Luck where they blow a
twenty eight point lead and Luck fumbles the ball and
then scores a touchdown on it. They lost a playoff
game to the Steelers, where the Chiefs scored two touchdowns,
the Steelers scored zero touchdowns and they lost. And they
lost last year to Marcus Mariota after leading eighteen points
at the halftime and Mariota throw the game winning touchdown
pass to himself. All of that's happening in Kansas City.
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So yes, the fans will be nervous, and yes there
is a lot of pressure. Thankfully, the Chiefs have the
best player in the league. Thankfully they have the third
highest scoring offense, not in the NFL, but in NFL history.
And thankfully, your guy, your godson, Andrew luck is playing
in the playoffs where he's got a career passer rating
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of seventy two, where his touchdown intercepts ratio is eleven
to thirteen, where in the playoffs outdoors it's two touchdowns
to eight interceptions with a fifty two passer rating. So
you're right, a lot of pressure on the Chiefs. But
it should be noted Andy before he had Alex Smith
as his quarterback, a winning record in the postseason, not
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a history of going one and done the postseason. A
lot of pressure on the Chiefs. Luckily, they've got the
best offense, one of the best offenses in NFL history,
with a quarterback having one of the best seasons in
NFL history. I think they're gonna be fine. By the way,
how did you do last weekend? Were your picks? Oh?
I mean against the spread? I did well. I as
far as getting the winners, I mean it was tough.
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I mean, I feel like this is a bit of
a twist to the knife. I think you knew the
answer to this question. I got the Colts game right,
and then I didn't get anything else right the rest
of the weekend. Joy, How did I do? I mean,
I don't know why you got to bring that out.
Colin got all of the picks, right, Okay, I just Colin?
You went four and oh yeah, okay? All right? So Colin, okay,
So you feel very emboldened, You feel a big powerful
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Colin Coward. Should we should we make a little friendly
gentleman's wager. I know, I know you've started to go
down the gambling path. We don't have to put money
on it. Let's just do Colts chiefs, Colin. If if
the Cults win, I will when I take some time
off in February, grow and Andrew Luck neck beard and
wear it my first day back. Okay, if the Chiefs win,
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you'll let the wonderful people at FS one's hair stylist
department give you the Patty Mahomes hairdo for a show.
How about that, Colin Cowhard, I wasn't even gonna do this,
but you want to bring up four and overse one
and three. Put your hair where your mouth is, big man. Well,
actually I would do this, and there's one problem. Oh,
the one problem. I like the Chiefs to win. I
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like the Chiefs to win too. Oh, the one of
the ultimate hedge. I love it. So you get to
me right either way I picked the Chiefs or I
told you Andrew Luck. Oh look at this guy should
have been the MVP. What a what a coward. I
can't believe you, man, unbelieve it. And I will retire
before seventy and you can have the job. Nick. Right,
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Ladies and gentlemen, Great seeing you, buddy, See later. Man.
What's up? John Middlecoff from the Three and Out podcast
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You like Colline show, you'll like mine. I'm talking football,
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Out podcast with me John Middlecoff. You know I'm not
a I don't always believe stats matter. Kirk Cousins is
the greatest example, where he completes seventy percent of his
throws blah blah blah, but in the end he can't
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win the big games. And so stats, I there's some
I look at a lot. What do you average per
play offensively? That's what Vegas looks at. That's what I
look at. What is your third down conversion rate? Can
you make big plays when it matters? Third and inches,
fourth and inches? But most stats don't tell me much.
But there's a couple the NFL research. This is a
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verified aunt came out yesterday. This is remarkable. This is
absolutely remarkable. On Dak Prescott. He since twenty sixteen, he
has fifteen game winning drives, that is the most in
the NFL. He has thirteen prime time quarterback wins that
is the most in the NFL, and nineteen rushing touchdowns
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most in the NFL. Buy a quarterback, folks, These are
real stats. He is the opposite of Kirk Cousins. Kirk
Cousins is great when it doesn't matter. But with a
minute and a half to go in a game, and
it's on Sunday Night Football or the Fox Big Game,
or Thursday Night Football or Monday Night Football, Dak's good.
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You can't deny this stuff. Dak's good, says, Okay, the
klutz Geen. And I've said this before. There are just
certain guys. Michael Jordan, he was good hitting a free
throw late. Michael Jordan wasn't an eighty five ninety percent
free throw shooter. Boy, he was good late though. Michael
was good late. Though. There are guys that have it.
These are real stats. And I said yesterday, Dak is
eighty percent of Troy Aikman. Now the twenty percent. Troy
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had a golden arm. And that's why Troy is a
Hall of Famer, and Troy won three Super Bowls. That's
why I don't think Dak's ever going to be a
Hall of Famer and win three Super Bowls. But Dak
has something that I think is wildly undervalued. Maturity, emotional discipline,
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even temperament, low emotions, steady personality, opposite of Baker who
drives me crazy, opposite of Cam Newton who drives me crazy,
opposite of often Jamis Winston who drives me crazy, opposite
of Jay Cutler who drove me crazy. Steady, calm, an
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emotional no anxiety, good body language, better latent games. Bigger
the game, the bigger the player. You cannot deny these numbers.
For all you cowboy haters out there, these are real numbers.
Fifteen game winning drives. That means he got the ball
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and his team trailed late thirteen prime time wins. That
means the network said cowboys against good teams. They don't
put the Cowboys against the Jags on Cowboys against the Eagles.
We'll go put the Cowboys against the Packers. We're gonna
put the Cowboys against the Saints. The primetime games means
the networks you don't see the Jags on primetime even
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against the Cowboys. Primetime as network saying we want the Steerers,
we want the Patriots, we want you know, we want
Kansas City, we want Dallas, we want Green Bay. That's
those are numbers you can't This is why I say
quarterback is not the best arms in NFL history that
I've ever seen. That let's say the last twenty years.
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The best arms I've seen in the NFL last twenty
years Cam Jay Cutler, Matt Stafford, Jamarca Russell, and Brett Farve.
One is a winner, and even Brett Farve, I would
argue underachieved considering his talent. Brett Farve should have won more.
Brett Farve is one of the great natural talents of
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all time is But a lot of those guys that
had great arms did not have emotional discipline. Well that's
why I think intangibles matter, like we talk about it,
you know, kind of frivolously, like oh, you know, he
has a good body language, and he's you know, great
at the podium. But all of that steadiness is important
when you're in a leadership position. Of course, I mean't
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be too high and too love have you like like
I've had. You know, again, I've worked at five or
six companies and the one common denominator. I'm not going
to mention their names. I'm not going to embarrass people
or just put people out there. But I've had two
or three bosses who I thought were next level. And
the one thing they shared, they weren't prep school. They
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didn't go to Harvard, they didn't go to Yale, they
didn't go to Preston. In fact, they went to very
popular state schools. Both of them. They didn't come from money,
they didn't come from privilege. They took weird routes. One
of them went the Europe first and came here. One
started in a mail room and worked up. But the
one thing both of them had, two or three of
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them had in big moments, they were take a breath.
They were let's see macro. Let's get the big picture.
Let's not fall for the moment. Let's step back. Let's
add a little calm. They weren't. They weren't fist pumpers.
They're not grabbing, they're not doing nonsense on the sideline.
They are okay, world's caving in a little bit here.
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Let's take a deep breath. Let's step back. They were
a calming influence. And Dak has that and those numbers
are crazy. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine Empacific. Peter King, NBC
Sports dot Com. All right, let's start. I'm gonna go
go through. Let's start with Cliff Kingsbury took the USC job,
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and then about a month later he goes to an
NFL job, which is obviously better than being a coordinator
in college. What do you make of the hire? What
do you make of Kingsbury? Well, Kingsbury really must have
convinced Steve Kine Michael Bidwill that in fixing Josh Rosen
and in preparing Josh Rosen with one of the best
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offensive minds in all of football, that that was going
to be worth you know, basically giving your whole team
to you know. The big knock on Kingsbury at Texas
Tech was that he was fairly myopic on the offense
and wasn't a great recruiter or you know, a great
defensive guy in any way. So I think the Cardinals
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have to be convinced now that they're going to get
Kingsbury an above average defensive staff and just let Kingsbury
handle the offense. Did you like what he did leave
in USC? No, I didn't like it at all. You know,
I'm just not a fan of I mean, he came
there in the middle of their recruiting season. They had
what two weeks left of the recruiting season, and then
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I mean, who knows if any kid ended up going
to USC because of him? But then he walks out.
I don't I don't like it very much. I try
not to be on my moral high horse too much,
but it just didn't seem right to me. We got
a trend going on. If you had a beer in
the last three years, was Sean McVay or a picture
taken with him, you're gonna get an NFL job. I mean,
it's ridiculous. I think we're overreacting. I love what Tampa
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they would Bruce Arians. I think we're overreacting. Peter. I
think it's become ridiculous now. Freddy Kitchens, I mean, good lord,
he'd never been hired by anybody as a coordinator eight games,
and I understand they want somebody that Baker likes. I
get it, I totally get it. But Peter isn't possible here.
We're just overreacting, trying to find the next guy that
knows Sean MCVAYH Well, I think we might be overreacting
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to the offensive side of the ball, because now it
looks like there's a very good chance that's seven of
the eight hires could be offensive guys. Wow, you know now,
because I mean, who knows. There's a couple of hires left,
and you know, it sounds like the Jets. You know,
we're gonna hire Mike McCarthy or Adam Gaze. So it's
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it's amazing that we have gone so far and yet Colin,
on the first playoff weekend, what happened? There are all
these defensive games, so you know, you know, it's almost like, okay,
you know, wink Martindale can't get a sniff in Baltimore
and he probably has the best defense in football at
the end of this year. It's just a funny time
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in football because I think everybody has become convinced that
you got a score score score to turn on your
fans and have a great team. And we'll see if
they're right. But hey, look, Freddie Kitchens. I got to
know him a little bit late in the year, Colin,
and I'll tell you, I think, in his own way,
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I think he's I think he's got a chance to
be an excellent head coach. He's a gruff guy, he's
a he's very much a collector of ideas from his
team and two or three plays that he called this year.
The thing that convinced me that Freddie Kitchens knows what
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he's doing is when the Cleveland Browns played Carolina. Get this.
They ran a play with Breshad Perryman going left across
the formation and then sprinting back right pre snap and
getting a fake jet sweep handoff from Baker Mayfield. Then
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Baker Mayfield turns the other way, Jarvis Landry follows him,
and he hands it off to Jarvis Landry. You can
barely see it happen, and there's Luke Keekley just standing there.
I never see Luke Keakley fooled, and on that play
he was and it was a touchdown for Cleveland. And again, look,
this can't all be about smoking, mirrors and misdirection. But
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I'll just say this, in eight weeks, you know, on
the fly, Freddy Kitchens did an unbelievable job, not just
with Baker Mayfield but with an entire offense that had
been mediocre and they were very hard to stop late
in the year. We'll see what happens. Okay, I want
to I want to talk about some of these games
because I think they're fascinating. This weekend. I think there's
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massive pressure on the Kansas City Chiefs between their history
and Andy Reids. They're a favorite, they have the MVP.
So let's talk about Colts Chiefs. I think the pressure.
I think the Colts walk in knowing with the nine
draft picks and one hundred million dollars they're really built
for next year, in the next eight I think the
pressure's all on Kansas City. What do you think transpires
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there at Arrowhead? I think it's really interesting that you
mentioned that, because to me, the Cults are playing with
house money. They can be as relaxed as any team
heading into this weekend. You know, Frank Reich at the
end of the game last week, or you know, at
the end of the regular season, holds up a paper
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with the number thirty two. Like in early October they
were rated the thirty second best team in football, and
now here they are on a ten in one run
And I totally agree with you. But I'll just say this,
this isn't Alex Smith's Chiefs anymore. This is Patrick Mahomes Chiefs,
and he just is, Hey, what me worry? I spent
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about forty five minutes with him last week. Last Friday,
for a piece with NBC this week for our pregame show,
and I'm just telling you, Colin, this guy just you know,
it's one of those he doesn't know what he doesn't know, right,
and he doesn't get all hot and bothered about anything.
And I think, hey, look, I absolutely think the Colts
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could win this game, but especially if the Chiefs have
Sammy Watkins back. Okay, and they could have Sammy Watkins
one side of the field, Tyreek Hill on the other
side of the field, two three, five guys, speed guys,
you know, you know, separating the defensive backfield and really
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opening up the middle of the field. I don't know.
I think they've they if if Watkins plays and is effective.
I think they got too many weapons for almost any
team to defend. Yep, I have the Saints and the
and the Chiefs. I think should be probably the Super
Bowl favorites. Okay, Cowboys rams Similarly, they're no pressure on
the Cowboys. Okay, they're underdogs. They won their game, the
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owner loves the coach, has endorsed the quarterback and the coach.
They've got the better defense. It'll be a neutral field
at worse, um, I think they have the better roster
of young talented people. I mean again, it feels like
the pressure is on the Rams this weekend. It does
to me, I mean, this is come on, Sean. I agree,
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because last year they were they were favored obviously in
loss to the six seeded Falcons, you know, in the
first playoff game at home, and they've got to show
that they're better than they were last year and that
this blip late in the season, you know, you know,
is not who they are, because they didn't play great
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in the last month, particularly offensively. They had their moments,
but consistently they were not great on offense. So to me,
I think this is a bad matchup for the Rams
because when I watch Ezekiel Elliott, I, like I wrote
in my column this week, I think Ezekiel Elliott could
play in any era of football. I think that he's
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sort of a poor man's Jim Brown. And I'm not
saying he's ever gonna be Jim Brown, but I'm saying
that he reminds me of him because he's physical, he's fast,
and he's very smart. Those were three traits that Jim
Brown had that put him ahead of his time in
the late fifties. Okay, and finally nobody has given the
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Eagles a chance. And I gotta I picked the Eagles
last week, and I think I like him this week.
And and I know it's zany, but you talked to
Golden Tate this past week. There is something about Foles
and this staff. Now my theory on this Peter is
he has to be more patient in the pocket and
he is a little more coachable. Whereas the Aaron Rodgers
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and the Wentz in the cam there's a burden of
being really truly gifted. Nick's not. He's just good. He's
very easy to coach. He spreads the ball around, he
is more patient with the play calling. I like Wentz
the player over Foles. But you talked to Golden Tate.
Philadelphia has got something going on with Nick Foles, and
I finally buy it. What do you make of their chances?
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I mean, it's crazy to say that six weeks ago
they lost by forty one in New Orleans and now
they're going back to New Orleans and he's say, well,
how can this work? How can they really have a chance?
And you know, to me, Fletcher Cox put this well
to me maybe two three weeks ago, I said, what happened.
Why has that game in the line been the line
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of demarcation on your season? And he said, we got back.
We met as a veterans committee with Doug Peterson and
we all agreed flush that game eliminated. It doesn't matter.
We're not going to focus on it. We're not going
to obsess on it. We're not going to say, look
at all the things we did wrong. We're just going
to start all over again right now. And that's what
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they've done. Add to that the fact that they get Foals,
who's cool hand Nick and who basically is he doesn't
get riled up. He is. He's told me, I play
with a quiet mind the day of a game. What
does he do? Does he study film? Does he do this? No?
He journals about how to be a better father. I mean,
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I'm just telling you this is a different human being
than a lot of the quarterbacks that we've known. He
tries to enter a game with classical music playing in
his head. Colin. That is Nick Foles. And the reason
I think they have a chance, like I probably wouldn't
pick him in this game, but the reason I think
they have a chance is there a different team with
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Nick Foles there, and you know they're a different team
entirely in the postseason because they are not gonna let
that Drew Brees offense breathe the way it did in November. YEP,
totally agree. Peter King, NBC Sports dot Com. It's great
talking to you this time of the year. Is so
much fun. Go break something, break, go break some more stories, Peter.
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Nick Wright, Peter King, Casey Hayward of the Chargers, Rob Parker.
Of course, Joy Taylor is joining me today. Joy, how
are you great? Good morning, Good morning. I love this
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time of the year. We got coaching moves crazy. That's
a time bla blah blah blah. It's hum blah blah
blah blah. Okay, So this happens a lot in society.
Everybody chases the exception instead of the rule. What do
you mean, Colin. Seven of the eight remaining coaches in
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the playoffs are fifty year older. Everybody's hiring young guys.
It's incredible. By the way, Tampa Bay is sort of
the Cleveland Browns of the NFC. It's a graveyard for coaches.
Seven of the last eight years in fourth place, haven't
won a playoff game in ten years, haven't been to
the playoffs in ten years. But they actually hired a
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grown up yesterday. Bruce Arians. Carson Palmer's best years with
Bruce Arians, Peyton Manning, Andrew Locke, Big Ben worked with
all of them, got the Super Bowls. Bruce Arians a
grown up. He's a say, six year old man, been
a coordinator multiple times, head coach, now a second time.
By the way, the last time the Browns made the playoffs,
Bruce Arians was the coordinator. But Cleveland's not interested in him.
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Now there's Arizona, either's Green Bay. No, he's old. So
let's look now that Tampa Bay made the best hire
so far, Let's actually look at the remaining three teams
and what they're doing. Oh, it looks like this morning
Cleveland's going to hire Freddie Kitchens. He I don't believe
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he's been a high school coach, never been a high
school head coach, He's never been hired as a coordinator.
He's in his forties. No, no, no no, he was given
the interim job for eight games this year. Never actually
been hired by a team in the NFL to be
a coordinator. He is now going to be an NFL
head coach. Good luck in your own division facing Mike
Tomlin twice a year, John Harbaugh twice a year. Good
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luck when you face Andy Reid Frank Reich, who was
actually a quarterback and a hell of a coordinator and
a great coach. Congratulations getting the young guy with no experience.
By the way, let's look at Arizona. Arizona hired Cliff Kingsbury.
By the way, everybody thinks he's the next Sean McVay.
Does everybody realize their offenses don't even look alike Cliff Kingsbury.
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Just a heads up here against big twelve teams with
winning records, he was four and thirty one. It's not
a misprint. If you take away games against Kansas, the
worst program in college football, and you take away FCF schools.
He was sixteen and forty at Texas Tech. Let's give
him an NFL job. Good Hell, how about Matt Lafleur.
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Matt Lafleur been a coordinator for one year, and Tennessee's
offense got worse. This is from a coach who worked
with Matt la Fleur. I got this information last night.
This is from a coach who worked with Matt Lafleur.
He's smart, very strategic, doesn't have great leadership skills. Excuse me,
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doesn't doesn't have great leadership skills. All Aaron Rodgers, Green
Bay Packer's iconic brand. Okay, I'm done. Cliff Kingsbury got
fired by his alma mater. Lu Fleur had a job
for one year as a coordinator, not known as a leader,
sort of important. And Cleveland's gonna hire a guy who
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no team in the NFL ever gave an offensive coordinator
job to hiring him. He got inserted as an interim.
Tampa Bay went and hired a grown blank man, a
man who's been to Super Bowls, a man who has
coached Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning and Big Ben and
gave Carson Palmer as best coaching. You're all all you Cleveland's,
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and all you Arizonas and all you Green Bays. You're
chasing the exceptions. Sean McVay. He's the exception. The rule
is seven of the eight coaches who remain in the
NFL this weekend are fifty or older. By the way,
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I thought everybody want coach Baker Mayfield. Well, where's the
list of all the candidates that they didn't. Kingsbury wouldn't
give m an interview. Mike McCarthy not interested, Bruce Arians,
Oh that job really right? No? No, Freddy Kitchens, by
the way, he does look a little bit like Mike McCarthy.
I'll say, I'll say that you couldn't hire Mike McCarthy,
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hire any that kind of looks like him. So there's that. Okay,
all right, let me shift to this. We have a
great show today. Not gonna do much NBA, but this
needs to be noted. This was significant. Congratulations to Ryan Saunders.
I work with his father, the late great Flip Saunders.
Wonderful man. I work with him at the other place
he passed away. He was a pleasure to work with
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and a just a sweetheart of a man. His son
is Ryan Saunders. He won his first game last night.
He's the coach now the Minnesota Timberwolves, which is really cool.
He's a young man and he won his first game.
And so um, let's just let's just I don't know,
randomly show you the last last play of that game
against Oklahoma City they beat Okay s. Let's let's watch it.
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Let's drop down Lord Ower, the quarter walk, the trible,
the three offensive three about uns Westbrook with fall TB
three no good, the five coming me, no good, and
multiple chances for the thunder that time Westbrook with two looks.
I just could not get a bawl. The fall form
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unfortunate for the thunder. Excuse me, it was Russell Westbrook.
Excuse me. So that was an airball for our radio
listeners who didn't hear the ball hit the rim. It didn't.
That second three was an air ball and he was open.
This is why Kevin Durant left Okaysee one hundred and
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seventy five NBA players have shot ninety threes this year.
Westbrook is one hundred seventy fifth since December first. James
Harden is the leading scorer in the NBA and Paul
George is second. Paul George last night had hit five threes.
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Paul George is an elite three point shooter, and he
was reduced to catching Russell Westbrooks air ball. Why is
Russell Westbrook still shooting threes? Why is he still shooting
five a game? He's shooting twenty three percent on the year,
and by the way, his five per game are the
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most of his career. Paul George is a better shooter.
Nobody would deny that he's not getting any looks at
the end of games because the Oklahoma City thunder have
enabled and are terrified to say, Russell stop shooting those.
This is why Kevin Durant said I'm out. This is
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why they had to move James Harden. You can't play
with him. Paul George is an elite catch and shoot player,
one of the best in the league. He's six eight,
generally six eighty. Get a good look at the end
of games that are long. He's a great shooter. He
was hot. He almost always is since December first second
in the NBA, after James Harden, who's also read hot.
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You would not avoid Russell. If James Harden played, wouldn't
you give him the last shout on this team? Why
wouldn't you get Paul George. This is what Oklahoma City
has done at one point. Think about this. Oklahoma City
had James Harden Westbrook and Kevin Durant and their management
chose not the MVP Harden, not the second best player
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in the league, Russell Westbrook. And as the game has
evolved into a shooters league, Oklahoma City is now officially
the worst three point shooting team in the league. And
symptomatic of that is last night Russell Westbrook. They designed
plays for Russell Westbrook and Paul George was reduced to
catching his airball ten years in the league, in airball
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on an open three. You want to know I k
he left. You want to know whether there's that video
out of KD laughing couple years ago at Arssell Westbrook
jacking up threes. This is it when you are a
fear based organization and Oklahoma City is petrified that Harden
and Kevin Durant now gone, they can't tick off Russell Westbrook.
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This is what you get. I'm not a hater for
pointing out something that is true. One hundred and seventy
five NBA players have shot ninety threes or more this year.
He's one hundred and seventy fifth, and yet the organization,
knowing that, designed the final two shots last night because
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they wanted him to be a hero. They did. They
wanted him to be the star. This is why I said,
Paul George, be careful. Congrats on the extra bank, congrats
on the lettuce. But guys have played with him and
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they left. And that's why one more herd. The Herd
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on demand whenever you'd lie. So we got breaking news here.
So again, grown ups Tampa Bay hired a grown up,
Bruce Arians, an experience grown up whose coach Andrew Luck
and then Big Ben and Peyton Manning and you know,
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Carson Palmer was best years of his life. It looks
like Freddie Kitchens just got named coach of the Cleveland Browns.
Never been hired by a team as an interim or
as an offensive coordinator. But hey, Cliff Kingsbury, Freddie Kitchens,
Matt Leffler, they're young, they're cheek bones. I mean, it's
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unbelievable to me. Seven of the eight coaches left are
fifty year older and everybody wants the new offensive guy.
It is amazing to me. By the way, Denver's gonna
hire Vic Fangio and bring back Gary Kubiak as an
offensive coordinator. Two grown ups, two grown ups. I mean,
it's incredible to me what is happening. So and by
the way, everybody told me everybody wanted to coach the
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Cleveland Browns, and I kept pushing back and saying, in
my lifetime, the Cleveland Browns have never been the best
job opening, unless they're the only job opening, and even
then I'd pass. You can't tell me Cleveland's the best
job opening. Is this is if who you hired this guy.
I've never been a high school coach, So I said,
when Baker Mayfield came out, I said, be very careful,
I said, Baker. There are two things I said when
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Baker Mayfield came out during the draft. Now, Joy, you
weren't on the show at the time about the draft,
but I think you remember me saying these two things.
I said two things. He won't be a bust because
he just too darn accurate as a thrower. I said.
The second thing is he is going to have to
overcome Cleveland dysfunction constantly, and he's already at his coach
fired and now this is his head coach. Good luck.
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And by the way, everybody's like, oh man, but Freddie Kitchen. Listen.
We saw Lamar Jackson win, Jim Tim Tebow win the
wild coot offense. Things work, Dreeks happen in the NFL.
You don't hire a coach because of you know, you
won four to five games. Cleveland Beach, Cincinnati a couple
of times. In Atlanta they got smoked, you know, by
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the Chargers. They got whacked by Baltimore. Right, I mean,
it's like, come on, but this is what I said
about Baker Mainfield. Everybody kept telling me Browns was the
best job opening. So this is who they hired, the
least qualified candidate on the market. Well, I mean with
Baker this year, they were Greg Williams, by the way,
was the head coach, and they gave him nothing. He's gone.
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I mean, if you're gonna hire one of the two,
hired Greg Williams. Greg Williams as a man, Greg Williams
has won games. Greg Williams has been hired by seven
teams as a coordinator. I mean this is classic Cleveland.
You know, low self esteem sports teams. If you just
rubbed their tummy, you tell them they're beautiful, you give
them a little three game winning streak. They're like, oh
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my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god,
We're gonna hire this guy. Mak He's ever been high
go ahead coach. Incredible. All right, So I'm seeing a
story today. Tom Brady basically said, I'm not sure if
we have sound on it. Tom Brady basically came out
yesterday he does this thing Why Sports Matter podcast, and
Brady came out and basically said, he's got more to accomplish,
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which is, you know, absurd considering all he's accomplished. We
do have a Brady sounds. This is one of the
things Tom Brady talked about yesterday and is Why Sports
Matter podcast here it is. I still I feel those
things so accomplish, and I've had an opportunity, based on
all the things that've happened in the last twelve years
of my life, you know, to put myself in a
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position to achieve things that no one else has achieved.
So I feel like I kind of have to do. It.
Ain't gonna be hard to do, but I think I
can do it. Okay, first of all, forget average players.
Even legends retire poorly. John Elway is the only legend
ever ever perfect ending. When John Elway retired, it was shocking.
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He was just winning his second in back to back
Super Bowls and he was the MVP, and he could
still play. He could still play. John Elway's the only
legend every like Kobe Bryant scored sixteen his last game,
but the last couple of years, he was an incredibly
inefficient player. Peyton Manning hoisted a trophy last year, but
in that year he'd been replaced by Brock Osweiler. He
was a shell of himself. John Elway is the only
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guy to do it right. He retired like Johnny Carson,
Last shows Great Seacrest, I'm out. John Elway was still great.
He was a Super Bowl MVP. He was running the league.
John Elway controlled the NFL and said I'm done, Like
that's how you do it. But even in the NBA,
Michael Jordan, Wizards, sad A Chimlajuan, Raptors, bad shack, pathetic,
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you know, have luggage, will travel. It was like nine teams.
So I don't want to see Tom Brady limping at
seven and nine with thirteen picks in four games midseason
saying I'm out. But here's the re Tom Brady. There's
a narrative out there that it should be really easy
for Tom to retire. He's got the net worth, he's
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got the legacy, and he's got the rings. I think
it's incredibly hard for two reasons to retire. Okay, the
dysfunction and that division between the Jets, Bills, and Dolphins
virtually assures he's going to win the Vision every year.
And Bill Belichick's the best coach. Ever, it's very difficult
(15:32):
to retire as an executive at Apple, at Netflix, at Amazon,
at Google. Business is good. You own the world. It
is very easy to retire twelve years ago at Blockbuster Video.
It's easy to retire when you're losing your average Derek
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Jeter's numbers go down. But I think it's hard. If
I'm seventy years old and I'm on the air and
I'm still growing and near the top or at the
top of this business, that's hard to retire. To me,
that's hard. It's easy to retire if I can't get
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through shows, if I have no energy, if i'm my
ratings are going down seventeen percent a year, that makes
it easy that decisions made for me. You know, I'm
not dumb. You hear the hinch from bosses, you see
the riding on the wall. I think Brady retiring is hard.
If Tom Brady was in a division facing Patrick Mahomes
twice a year and Philip Rivers twice a year and
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Derek Carr twice a year, and Denver can figure their situation, Oh,
it's easy to retire. And you're battling to be SiZ
seven to nine. You are in the playoffs every third
year when you have Belichick, and you face the Dolphins twice,
the Jets twice, and the Bills twice, I think it's
incredibly difficult. I think Tom Brady's smart. He doesn't want
to limp off. He didn't want to do it like
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Peyton Manning and didn't want to do it like Derek
Jeter or Kobe and have one last great at bat
or game. Tom's not what he used to be. But
you can't quit now. You can't leave now you're leaving wins.
You could leave a super Bowl. I don't think so
you'll leave in a super Bowl on the table. John
always the only legend that walked out and could still
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win another one and was still great and with Super
Bowl MVP that is rare, and so my gut feeling
is Brady stays a year too long. It maybe next year,
the year after. But I understand why it's not easy.
It's really tough. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays in noun Easter nine am Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio. I maybe
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I'm being an agist and I'm against young people, but
I don't think I am. All these young coaches getting
jobs in the NFL with virtually no NFL experience as
even being a coordinator, and with that via the Coward
Global Satellite Network, Nick Wright joins me, Nick, let's start
with this, and again, I'm rooting for all these guys
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because the NFL is better with fun offenses and progressive offenses.
So I'm rooting for all of them. But Cliff Kingsbury
was four and thirty one against ranked teams in the
Big Twelve. What do you make it? His hire man?
I understand the argument for it. He was the coach
at Houston when case keenum broke records. Who's the coordinator
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at A and AMA when Manzille won the Heisman? He
coached Pat Mahomes. He knows Sean McVeagh. I get all.
I get all the reasons that you want to hire
the guy when Josh Rosen is your future, and maybe
it works out, but I have to be honest. What
bothers me the most about the Cliff Kings very higher
is that he was interviewing in the first place. I
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have no problem with upward mobility. I have no problem
with people leaving jobs early. But I do think if
you take a job, you should be there more than
I don't know, thirty days given a year, and Colin,
you and I have talked about this. In my life.
There was there was a moment where I accepted a
job and literally the next morning, less I hadn't signed anything,
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I could have easily extricated myself. Then next morning I
got a phone call from a different place offering me
what I thought was my dream job, and I let
them finish their offer. I swallowed hard and I said,
I really appreciate it. I wish you'd called me twelve
hours ago, but I accepted a job yesterday, and I'm
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not ashamed to say it. I hung up the phone
and I cried because I thought I was walking away
from the only job I'd ever wanted, but I had
given someone my word. I hadn't gone interviewed, taken a position, signed,
told young people I'm gonna come be their coordinator, and
two weeks later been like, hey, bro, you know turns
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out crazy thing. There's NFL openings. I didn't know that
was on the calendar. Riddle me that. I don't like
how we went about this. Maybe he'll be good, but
this rubs me the wrong way. I know that's kind
of like an old man yelling at a cloud take
but that's if you take a job, do the job,
at least temporarily before you look for the next job.
I agree, Baker Mayfield hottest job. Everybody wants to coach him.
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Mike McCarthy's got a super Bowl resurrected, Brett Farve's career
helped create to some degree. Aaron Rodgers not interested, reportedly
not interested, Bruce arians I want it. Took Jamis Winston instead. Okay,
I'm sorry, Nick, and I'm not trying to be anti
Baker here, but if Baker's all at Freddie Kitchens, is it.
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He'd never been hired by a team as a coordinator.
He was an interim coordinator. I don't understand why the
Browns went with Freddie Kitchens. I do understand why some
of the top candidates might not have been interested in
the job absent of Baker Colin. I have learned this
from you. What is the number one thing or one
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of the number one things you look at you've looked
at manage when deciding if you want to take Yeah,
who do you work for? And Jimmy Haslam is not
a guy that I think you can trust, whether you're
going to one of his gas stations or whether you
want to coach his football team. Like Jimmy Haslam, I
think we're at ten combined head coaches in general managers.
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And I know people love John Dorsey, but John Dorsey
is not the boss there. Jimmy Haslam is, and so
I think that might have cooled some of some people
who otherwise would be interested in working for Dorsey and
working with Baker. To me, I didn't look at this
as an indictment on Baker Mayfield. I looked at this
as a lot of teams, a lot of coaches saying, man,
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is this more than a two year window because of
who the owner of the team is. I like your take.
That's good. That's fair. That's a very fair take. My
take may have been a little anti Baker. That's a
very fair take, Baker. I apologize you. Can I tell
you a take of Can I tell you a take
of yours? I didn't like that. I just heard a
moment ago. Yeah please? Are you? Are you entertaining working
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until you're seventy because part of my career path involves
at some point taking over for you and I ain't
got twenty five years away, bro, Like, I'm trying to
I love my gig, but I'm trying to get back
to LA before I die. You're like, oh, maybe I'll
larry King this thing that you and I ain't talked
about that Okay, you get me in hysterics here, all right,
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I gotta throw this out now. There is a lot
of pressure on one team in the NFL this weekend
and at Kansas City. But between I love Andy Reid,
but there's like a number out there, and did he
not winning those playoff games? And Patrick Malmes is the MVP,
and you lived in Kansas City and worked there, and
they're not really good at winning playoff games even at home?
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Would you acknowledge Indianapolis comes into your former hometown with
house money, hottest team in the league, Kansas City is
going to be tight. There's all that. More than any
of the eight playoff teams, your Chiefs. There is massive
pressure to win this game. Am I crazy? No, You're
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not crazy. I think the most pressures on the Rams
only because eleven wins last year home playoff game one
and done. If they then go thirteen wins a bye
home playoff game one and done, I feel like Matt
Laflour and Cliff Kingsbury were smart to take these jobs
now because if the Rams lose this weekend, knowing Sean
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McVay looking like Sean McVay having Shawn is your middle name,
maybe is not quite the chip it is otherwise. But
to year point about the Chiefs, listen, the Chiefs have
lost a home playoff game after a bye where they
lose by three points and miss three field goals. They've
lost a home playoff game after a bye where they
can't make the other team punt a single time. They've
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lost a game to Andrew Luck where they blow a
twenty eight point lead and Luck fumbles the ball and
then scores a touchdown on it. They lost a playoff
game to the Steelers, where the Chiefs scored two touchdowns,
the Steelers scored zero touchdowns and they lost. And they
lost last year to Marcus Mariota after leading eighteen points
at the halftime and Mariota throw the game winning touchdown
pass to himself. All of that's happening in Kansas City.
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So yes, the fans will be nervous, and yes there
is a lot of pressure. Thankfully, the Chiefs have the
best player in the league. Thankfully they have the third
highest scoring offense, not in the NFL, but in NFL history.
And thankfully, your guy, your godson, Andrew luck is playing
in the playoffs where he's got a career passer rating
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of seventy two, where his touchdown intercepts ratio is eleven
to thirteen, where in the playoffs outdoors it's two touchdowns
to eight interceptions with a fifty two passer rating. So
you're right, a lot of pressure on the Chiefs. But
it should be noted Andy before he had Alex Smith
as his quarterback, a winning record in the postseason, not
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a history of going one and done the postseason. A
lot of pressure on the Chiefs. Luckily, they've got the
best offense, one of the best offenses in NFL history,
with a quarterback having one of the best seasons in
NFL history. I think they're gonna be fine. By the way,
how did you do last weekend? Were your picks? Oh?
I mean against the spread? I did well. I as
far as getting the winners, I mean it was tough.
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I mean, I feel like this is a bit of
a twist to the knife. I think you knew the
answer to this question. I got the Colts game right,
and then I didn't get anything else right the rest
of the weekend. Joy, How did I do? I mean,
I don't know why you got to bring that out.
Colin got all of the picks, right, Okay, I just Colin?
You went four and oh yeah, okay? All right? So Colin, okay,
So you feel very emboldened, You feel a big powerful
(25:49):
Colin Coward. Should we should we make a little friendly
gentleman's wager. I know, I know you've started to go
down the gambling path. We don't have to put money
on it. Let's just do Colts chiefs, Colin. If if
the Cults win, I will when I take some time
off in February, grow and Andrew Luck neck beard and
wear it my first day back. Okay, if the Chiefs win,
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you'll let the wonderful people at FS one's hair stylist
department give you the Patty Mahomes hairdo for a show.
How about that, Colin Cowhard, I wasn't even gonna do this,
but you want to bring up four and overse one
and three. Put your hair where your mouth is, big man. Well,
actually I would do this, and there's one problem. Oh,
the one problem. I like the Chiefs to win. I
(26:31):
like the Chiefs to win too. Oh, the one of
the ultimate hedge. I love it. So you get to
me right either way I picked the Chiefs or I
told you Andrew Luck. Oh look at this guy should
have been the MVP. What a what a coward. I
can't believe you, man, unbelieve it. And I will retire
before seventy and you can have the job. Nick. Right,
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Ladies and gentlemen, Great seeing you, buddy, See later. Man.
What's up? John Middlecoff from the Three and Out podcast
brought for you by Colin Coward and this podcast network.
You like Colline show, you'll like mine. I'm talking football,
football and more football today. You know I'm talking National
championship dabbles winning. He just became a legend, but isn't
(27:16):
the next Alabama food Shaun Watson, Nick Foles, Dak Prescott
cover everything that happened over Wildcard Weekday again three and
Out podcast with me John Middlecoff. You know I'm not
a I don't always believe stats matter. Kirk Cousins is
the greatest example, where he completes seventy percent of his
throws blah blah blah, but in the end he can't
(27:37):
win the big games. And so stats, I there's some
I look at a lot. What do you average per
play offensively? That's what Vegas looks at. That's what I
look at. What is your third down conversion rate? Can
you make big plays when it matters? Third and inches,
fourth and inches? But most stats don't tell me much.
But there's a couple the NFL research. This is a
(27:59):
verified aunt came out yesterday. This is remarkable. This is
absolutely remarkable. On Dak Prescott. He since twenty sixteen, he
has fifteen game winning drives, that is the most in
the NFL. He has thirteen prime time quarterback wins that
is the most in the NFL, and nineteen rushing touchdowns
(28:21):
most in the NFL. Buy a quarterback, folks, These are
real stats. He is the opposite of Kirk Cousins. Kirk
Cousins is great when it doesn't matter. But with a
minute and a half to go in a game, and
it's on Sunday Night Football or the Fox Big Game,
or Thursday Night Football or Monday Night Football, Dak's good.
(28:42):
You can't deny this stuff. Dak's good, says, Okay, the
klutz Geen. And I've said this before. There are just
certain guys. Michael Jordan, he was good hitting a free
throw late. Michael Jordan wasn't an eighty five ninety percent
free throw shooter. Boy, he was good late though. Michael
was good late. Though. There are guys that have it.
These are real stats. And I said yesterday, Dak is
eighty percent of Troy Aikman. Now the twenty percent. Troy
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had a golden arm. And that's why Troy is a
Hall of Famer, and Troy won three Super Bowls. That's
why I don't think Dak's ever going to be a
Hall of Famer and win three Super Bowls. But Dak
has something that I think is wildly undervalued. Maturity, emotional discipline,
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even temperament, low emotions, steady personality, opposite of Baker who
drives me crazy, opposite of Cam Newton who drives me crazy,
opposite of often Jamis Winston who drives me crazy, opposite
of Jay Cutler who drove me crazy. Steady, calm, an
(29:48):
emotional no anxiety, good body language, better latent games. Bigger
the game, the bigger the player. You cannot deny these numbers.
For all you cowboy haters out there, these are real numbers.
Fifteen game winning drives. That means he got the ball
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and his team trailed late thirteen prime time wins. That
means the network said cowboys against good teams. They don't
put the Cowboys against the Jags on Cowboys against the Eagles.
We'll go put the Cowboys against the Packers. We're gonna
put the Cowboys against the Saints. The primetime games means
the networks you don't see the Jags on primetime even
(30:30):
against the Cowboys. Primetime as network saying we want the Steerers,
we want the Patriots, we want you know, we want
Kansas City, we want Dallas, we want Green Bay. That's
those are numbers you can't This is why I say
quarterback is not the best arms in NFL history that
I've ever seen. That let's say the last twenty years.
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The best arms I've seen in the NFL last twenty
years Cam Jay Cutler, Matt Stafford, Jamarca Russell, and Brett Farve.
One is a winner, and even Brett Farve, I would
argue underachieved considering his talent. Brett Farve should have won more.
Brett Farve is one of the great natural talents of
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all time is But a lot of those guys that
had great arms did not have emotional discipline. Well that's
why I think intangibles matter, like we talk about it,
you know, kind of frivolously, like oh, you know, he
has a good body language, and he's you know, great
at the podium. But all of that steadiness is important
when you're in a leadership position. Of course, I mean't
(31:35):
be too high and too love have you like like
I've had. You know, again, I've worked at five or
six companies and the one common denominator. I'm not going
to mention their names. I'm not going to embarrass people
or just put people out there. But I've had two
or three bosses who I thought were next level. And
the one thing they shared, they weren't prep school. They
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didn't go to Harvard, they didn't go to Yale, they
didn't go to Preston. In fact, they went to very
popular state schools. Both of them. They didn't come from money,
they didn't come from privilege. They took weird routes. One
of them went the Europe first and came here. One
started in a mail room and worked up. But the
one thing both of them had, two or three of
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them had in big moments, they were take a breath.
They were let's see macro. Let's get the big picture.
Let's not fall for the moment. Let's step back. Let's
add a little calm. They weren't. They weren't fist pumpers.
They're not grabbing, they're not doing nonsense on the sideline.
They are okay, world's caving in a little bit here.
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Let's take a deep breath. Let's step back. They were
a calming influence. And Dak has that and those numbers
are crazy. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine Empacific. Peter King, NBC
Sports dot Com. All right, let's start. I'm gonna go
go through. Let's start with Cliff Kingsbury took the USC job,
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and then about a month later he goes to an
NFL job, which is obviously better than being a coordinator
in college. What do you make of the hire? What
do you make of Kingsbury? Well, Kingsbury really must have
convinced Steve Kine Michael Bidwill that in fixing Josh Rosen
and in preparing Josh Rosen with one of the best
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offensive minds in all of football, that that was going
to be worth you know, basically giving your whole team
to you know. The big knock on Kingsbury at Texas
Tech was that he was fairly myopic on the offense
and wasn't a great recruiter or you know, a great
defensive guy in any way. So I think the Cardinals
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have to be convinced now that they're going to get
Kingsbury an above average defensive staff and just let Kingsbury
handle the offense. Did you like what he did leave
in USC? No, I didn't like it at all. You know,
I'm just not a fan of I mean, he came
there in the middle of their recruiting season. They had
what two weeks left of the recruiting season, and then
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I mean, who knows if any kid ended up going
to USC because of him? But then he walks out.
I don't I don't like it very much. I try
not to be on my moral high horse too much,
but it just didn't seem right to me. We got
a trend going on. If you had a beer in
the last three years, was Sean McVay or a picture
taken with him, you're gonna get an NFL job. I mean,
it's ridiculous. I think we're overreacting. I love what Tampa
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they would Bruce Arians. I think we're overreacting. Peter. I
think it's become ridiculous now. Freddy Kitchens, I mean, good lord,
he'd never been hired by anybody as a coordinator eight games,
and I understand they want somebody that Baker likes. I
get it, I totally get it. But Peter isn't possible here.
We're just overreacting, trying to find the next guy that
knows Sean MCVAYH Well, I think we might be overreacting
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to the offensive side of the ball, because now it
looks like there's a very good chance that's seven of
the eight hires could be offensive guys. Wow, you know now,
because I mean, who knows. There's a couple of hires left,
and you know, it sounds like the Jets. You know,
we're gonna hire Mike McCarthy or Adam Gaze. So it's
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it's amazing that we have gone so far and yet Colin,
on the first playoff weekend, what happened? There are all
these defensive games, so you know, you know, it's almost like, okay,
you know, wink Martindale can't get a sniff in Baltimore
and he probably has the best defense in football at
the end of this year. It's just a funny time
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in football because I think everybody has become convinced that
you got a score score score to turn on your
fans and have a great team. And we'll see if
they're right. But hey, look, Freddie Kitchens. I got to
know him a little bit late in the year, Colin,
and I'll tell you, I think, in his own way,
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I think he's I think he's got a chance to
be an excellent head coach. He's a gruff guy, he's
a he's very much a collector of ideas from his
team and two or three plays that he called this year.
The thing that convinced me that Freddie Kitchens knows what
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he's doing is when the Cleveland Browns played Carolina. Get this.
They ran a play with Breshad Perryman going left across
the formation and then sprinting back right pre snap and
getting a fake jet sweep handoff from Baker Mayfield. Then
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Baker Mayfield turns the other way, Jarvis Landry follows him,
and he hands it off to Jarvis Landry. You can
barely see it happen, and there's Luke Keekley just standing there.
I never see Luke Keakley fooled, and on that play
he was and it was a touchdown for Cleveland. And again, look,
this can't all be about smoking, mirrors and misdirection. But
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I'll just say this, in eight weeks, you know, on
the fly, Freddy Kitchens did an unbelievable job, not just
with Baker Mayfield but with an entire offense that had
been mediocre and they were very hard to stop late
in the year. We'll see what happens. Okay, I want
to I want to talk about some of these games
because I think they're fascinating. This weekend. I think there's
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massive pressure on the Kansas City Chiefs between their history
and Andy Reids. They're a favorite, they have the MVP.
So let's talk about Colts Chiefs. I think the pressure.
I think the Colts walk in knowing with the nine
draft picks and one hundred million dollars they're really built
for next year, in the next eight I think the
pressure's all on Kansas City. What do you think transpires
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there at Arrowhead? I think it's really interesting that you
mentioned that, because to me, the Cults are playing with
house money. They can be as relaxed as any team
heading into this weekend. You know, Frank Reich at the
end of the game last week, or you know, at
the end of the regular season, holds up a paper
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with the number thirty two. Like in early October they
were rated the thirty second best team in football, and
now here they are on a ten in one run
And I totally agree with you. But I'll just say this,
this isn't Alex Smith's Chiefs anymore. This is Patrick Mahomes Chiefs,
and he just is, Hey, what me worry? I spent
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about forty five minutes with him last week. Last Friday,
for a piece with NBC this week for our pregame show,
and I'm just telling you, Colin, this guy just you know,
it's one of those he doesn't know what he doesn't know, right,
and he doesn't get all hot and bothered about anything.
And I think, hey, look, I absolutely think the Colts
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could win this game, but especially if the Chiefs have
Sammy Watkins back. Okay, and they could have Sammy Watkins
one side of the field, Tyreek Hill on the other
side of the field, two three, five guys, speed guys,
you know, you know, separating the defensive backfield and really
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opening up the middle of the field. I don't know.
I think they've they if if Watkins plays and is effective.
I think they got too many weapons for almost any
team to defend. Yep, I have the Saints and the
and the Chiefs. I think should be probably the Super
Bowl favorites. Okay, Cowboys rams Similarly, they're no pressure on
the Cowboys. Okay, they're underdogs. They won their game, the
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owner loves the coach, has endorsed the quarterback and the coach.
They've got the better defense. It'll be a neutral field
at worse, um, I think they have the better roster
of young talented people. I mean again, it feels like
the pressure is on the Rams this weekend. It does
to me, I mean, this is come on, Sean. I agree,
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because last year they were they were favored obviously in
loss to the six seeded Falcons, you know, in the
first playoff game at home, and they've got to show
that they're better than they were last year and that
this blip late in the season, you know, you know,
is not who they are, because they didn't play great
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in the last month, particularly offensively. They had their moments,
but consistently they were not great on offense. So to me,
I think this is a bad matchup for the Rams
because when I watch Ezekiel Elliott, I, like I wrote
in my column this week, I think Ezekiel Elliott could
play in any era of football. I think that he's
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sort of a poor man's Jim Brown. And I'm not
saying he's ever gonna be Jim Brown, but I'm saying
that he reminds me of him because he's physical, he's fast,
and he's very smart. Those were three traits that Jim
Brown had that put him ahead of his time in
the late fifties. Okay, and finally nobody has given the
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Eagles a chance. And I gotta I picked the Eagles
last week, and I think I like him this week.
And and I know it's zany, but you talked to
Golden Tate this past week. There is something about Foles
and this staff. Now my theory on this Peter is
he has to be more patient in the pocket and
he is a little more coachable. Whereas the Aaron Rodgers
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and the Wentz in the cam there's a burden of
being really truly gifted. Nick's not. He's just good. He's
very easy to coach. He spreads the ball around, he
is more patient with the play calling. I like Wentz
the player over Foles. But you talked to Golden Tate.
Philadelphia has got something going on with Nick Foles, and
I finally buy it. What do you make of their chances?
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I mean, it's crazy to say that six weeks ago
they lost by forty one in New Orleans and now
they're going back to New Orleans and he's say, well,
how can this work? How can they really have a chance?
And you know, to me, Fletcher Cox put this well
to me maybe two three weeks ago, I said, what happened.
Why has that game in the line been the line
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of demarcation on your season? And he said, we got back.
We met as a veterans committee with Doug Peterson and
we all agreed flush that game eliminated. It doesn't matter.
We're not going to focus on it. We're not going
to obsess on it. We're not going to say, look
at all the things we did wrong. We're just going
to start all over again right now. And that's what
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they've done. Add to that the fact that they get Foals,
who's cool hand Nick and who basically is he doesn't
get riled up. He is. He's told me, I play
with a quiet mind the day of a game. What
does he do? Does he study film? Does he do this? No?
He journals about how to be a better father. I mean,
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I'm just telling you this is a different human being
than a lot of the quarterbacks that we've known. He
tries to enter a game with classical music playing in
his head. Colin. That is Nick Foles. And the reason
I think they have a chance, like I probably wouldn't
pick him in this game, but the reason I think
they have a chance is there a different team with
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Nick Foles there, and you know they're a different team
entirely in the postseason because they are not gonna let
that Drew Brees offense breathe the way it did in November. YEP,
totally agree. Peter King, NBC Sports dot Com. It's great
talking to you this time of the year. Is so
much fun. Go break something, break, go break some more stories, Peter.
(43:31):
Thank you.
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