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Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go to Tuesday. This
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is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. We are live in Los Angeles on iHeartRadio,
Fox Sports Radio on FS one. Joey Taylor and I
ready to roll on a Tuesday. We still got a
lot of football to talk about. You know, it's funny.
I remember this every year Monday at talk about the game,
and then I always feel like Tuesday stories come out
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about the game, and you get like an added dimension
to the football game and stories are starting to pull
out about the game and what happened. It's kind of fun.
It's the best time of the year. It is the
best time. Plus we got the Anthony Davis Lebron thing.
I want to talk about this. I'm driving to work
this morning, and here they come the Tom Brady Michael Jordan,
who's the greatest of all time? Because Tom Brady's blown away,
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you know, the great ones, he'd blown away Montana and
Peyton Manning, those guys are on belay bla ball and
Tom blown past him. So now it's like, okay, the
only thing left is Michael Jordan. And you know, it's
a fun argument, but I just want to say this
is there's a lot of arguments that you're never gonna win.
You're never gonna win at the local bar, and you're
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never gonna win the Tom Brady's greater than Michael Jordan
at the bar argument, because the Michael Jordan argument is easier.
Six for six, six finals, six wins, six mbps. Nobody
mentions he you know, played for fifteen years. That's too complicated.
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That's why people don't play golf. Three hundred and thirty
million Americans three play golf. Why Because it's hard. It's
a hard argument. You're never gonna win that. Michael had
to be like Mike Brand the shoe culture. You know,
he was the first corporate superstar in America that all
the corporations jumped on. You're never gonna win an argument,
but I can make argument for Brady. I can make
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arguments for Brady. Think about this. Football is much less
forgiving than basketball. Football is much more precise than basketball.
If a quarterback in a Super Bowl makes two mistakes,
one doesn't even have to be him. It can be
a tip ball that's intercepted, you lose the game. In
the NBA, you could have three atrocious games in the
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finals and still win. I had this morning, went and
looked up Michael Jordan's worst NBA final games. He had
a nine for twenty six clunker and eleven for twenty
eight Sonics Jazz Jazz Lakers. It didn't matter. He had
a better team. And you can have a terrible night
shooting in the NBA and he got tomorrow night, Game two,
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Game three, Game four. Football is much more precise and
much less forgiving advantage. Brady Number two is Brady One
was several different stars. There was the Dion Branch era.
There was the Corey Dillon era. There is the Gronk era.
As he's deteriorated now it's the Edelman era. Brady's one
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with several Robbins. He's Batman. He's had a lot of Robbins.
Michael Jordan didn't do anything pre Pippin and anything post Pippin.
Michael Jordan struggled to win playoff series forget titles. He
struggled to win playoff series without Scottie Pippen. Even in college,
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he won a title with James Worthy. James Worthy left
two years in college. He didn't win the next year
without James Worthy. Hey advantage, Tom, here's the third one. Tom.
In a sport where even practice is hard, Football practice
is hard, Basketball practice. I had it in high school.
It's fun. There's a lot of drill that are fun.
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Football practice, and I love football. I hated football practice.
It's hard. And yet Tom Brady has gone eighteen nineteen years,
never missed a beat. Emotionally. Michael Jordan quit twice. He quit.
There's like there's too much, it's too emotionally draining. He
quit twice. In a sport that's easier, that elevates the star,
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that worships the star, that back massages the star, he
had his own dressing room with the bulls. Football rain, sleet, practice, tackled,
hurt always. Nineteen years. Not a break advantage, Tom. I
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can make all those arguments for Tom. But I also
know that Michael's the first corporate superstar, and Michael was
cooler and cooler matters and be like Mike and the
Nike bubble. I can't win those arguments. And I also
know that Michael Jordan has nostalgia on his side. Michael
Jordan's like a piece of art. I swear to God,
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he gets better. Michael's gotten better every year. When you
close your eyes, close your eyes. If you're sitting at home,
if you're driving and listening, do not close your eyes.
But if you are at home, do me a favor.
Close your eyes, and I want you to just think
of Michael Jordan. You don't even remember the Orlando Woolridge.
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Jordan's a ballhog years. You don't remember Quentin Daily, you
don't remember all the firings. You don't remember the Washington
Wizard's jersey. You don't remember the broken leg, you don't
remember the baseball and that team by the way I
finished last. You don't remember any of it. Michael's art.
He gets better every year. You don't even remember the
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bad times. But I will leave you with this. If
you want to make an argument, let me just leave
you with this. Basketball is a sport built for dynasties.
Foot Ball is not. In thirteen Just remember this. Thirteen
NBA players have six rings. One NFL player does. Last
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name Brady, first name Tom. There's my argument, all right,
let's segue to the NBA. The big story right now.
It's obviously it's early February. The big stories of trading
deadline Thursday, and you know there's gonna be guys moving
around and stuff. But the big story is Anthony Davis,
a great player, has informed his team through his agent,
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Rich Paul, oh, I'll play here anymore. I've given you, guys,
like six and a half years. You've messed up trade
sign band contracts, had a bunch of coaches. I'm out
and I always support the mobile player. I mean, owners
move their teams, GM's coaches move why ken star players.
And it's not like he didn't give him time. He
gave him six and a half years. The story I'm
told last night from two sources I trust, is that
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the Lakers want Anthony Davis now. They want to create inertia,
they want to create chemistry, and frankly, there's a lot
of tension in the building. Lebron didn't come here to
waste another year of his life with Lance Stevenson, javaal
McGee and Lonzo Ball. That's not why Lebron came to
the Lakers. There is intense pressure to get it done,
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and the Pelicans know this, and the Pelicans have leverage
here ay they know the Lakers need eighty now. Secondly,
I am told there is massive pressure on the Pelicans
general manager Del Demps from other league executives to not
trade Davis to the Lakers. Now. If you're gonna do it,
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do it. At the end of the year, nobody's gonna
do the Lakers any favor. The Lakers have been the rich,
good looking guy at the high school reunion. People are
tired of him. They're the most glamorous franchise. They've got
all the titles, they've had, all the free agents, and
now they've got Lebron who people already resent many in
the NBA because he's kind of manipulating the league and
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moving guys around. There is massive pressure on Del Demps
to not make this move now, and the lad the
Pelicans have a little you know, tension there because the
Lakers just keep adding player and draft pick and player,
and the Lakers are now up to eight players and
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swallowing a horrible contract Solomon Hill. Eight players between picks
and players and a bad contract. I've never seen a
trade in terms of overall people more lopsided. I still
think you always want the star over the other guys.
But here's what's going to be interesting. The Lakers are acknowledging.
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I'm told they're gonna have to wildly overcompensate. They're gonna
have to give more picks than they want, potentially four
first round picks. They're gonna get it, have to have
more players than they want, essentially all of their good
young players. They're gonna have to give it an expiring
contractor too, and they also have to swallow a terrible,
terrible contract with Solomon Hill. But what the Lakers believe
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is this, when you live in New York, when you're
the owner of the Cowboys, Yankees, Lakers, there are these
massive brands Ohio State football, Notre Dame football. But let's
just keep it to pro sports. At these big cowboy brands, Yankees, Lakers,
Real Madrid. That kind of stuff that great creates its
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own chemistry and inertia, and that if you get an
a rod to the Yankees, or if you get a
ad with Lebron to the Lakers, you can't really overpay
for it. You'll get so many benefits, so much free publicity,
so much marketing. Other guys will want to be in
in this millennial NBA where stars want to join the
cool team that wins titles, that you just overpay for it.
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There are some things I don't love the idea of it.
But when you have these unique American or global sports brands,
and I would say Yankees in Lake Here's Cowboys are
very rare. It's rarefied air. You just get the star
and worry about everything else later. Jerry Jones said it
a year ago talking about his stadium. When he built
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his stadium, and he said, you know what, man, there
were cost overruns. But I look back at my life.
I overpaid for my big successes every time, and when
I tried to get a bargain, I ended up getting
it and not being happy or missing out. And this
was sort of the Steinbrenner philosophy. With the Yankees. It's
the Jerry Jones philosophy. And the Lakers now are having
to kind of own the fact they're giving away all
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their draft picks, all the mentoring, all the coaching, all
the work at everything, It just leaves and you get
Anthony Davis, and it will create a momentum and in
inertia that for these big brands pays off and people
will want to join the party. You know, Jason Whitlock
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was laughing about this yesterday. I mean, the Lakers now
are up to, according to one report, giving away eight
different pieces. Magic doesn't want to give up everything. I
don't think Polinka, Jenny Buddy. They just don't want to
scrap everything for Anthony Davis. But that's what they're about
to do because Lebron or Rich Paul are forced them
to draft picks and everything else. Kareem Abdul Jabars bones
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will be thrown into this trade at some point. It's
the reality of business with Lebron. When you get into
business with Lebron, there's some carnage. Now it's also just temporary.
You have to do what's going to make you successful
in the next few years, not in the next ten
years or twenty years. You're not building a dynasty year
trying to get a championship exactly. So you know, this
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is the Lebron business. Pat Riley's probably laughing his butt
off right now seeing what his buddy Magic's going through.
I told you so, Magic, you got to give up
the future, give up picks to win now. And I
think with these big global and domestic brands, there is
a certain chemistry and inertia and momentum that's created when
you get the a Rod, when you win a Super Bowl,
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when you get multiple stars Shack and Kobe, and you
just it just kind of takes over the league and
has a life of its own, and you go for it,
and you give up all your rental properties to buy
that one big house in Beverly Hills, and you know,
it probably doesn't know us make business sense, but you
sit and watch it grow and then everybody gets rich,
and then you fight over it when Dad dies. I
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don't know, but this is the very latest we have
on this story. I'll give you more as it develops.
And my gut feeling this morning is different than my
gut feeling yesterday. My gut feeling this morning is the
Lakers do not get Anthony Davis by Thursday, which is
going to raise another huge question, which I'll get to
later in the show. I thought twenty four hours ago
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it was going to happen. I don't think so today
this morning, based on my source that said Dell Demps
is facing intense pressure from around the league to not
let the Lakers have a D. Now, there is an
anti Laker bias in this league. There's no question about it.
There has been for years. People are tired of the
Lakers getting all the attention. Loved glamor and players be
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sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and
noun Easter nine a Empacific. And I've said this for years.
The media they're human beings, men, women, They have favorite teams,
favorite politicians. They're imperfect. Just admit it. That's why we
have a segment every week called Colin Right, Colin Wrong.
I wiff. I tell you, I acknowledge that I look
in the mirror that the media bias is not simply
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in what they say, it's in the stories they choose
to cover. I've worked in newsrooms and said, why aren't
we covering that? And the young producer, maybe leaning left
or right politically, has a favorite team team they don't like,
just don't cover the story. It's interesting, isn't it. Think
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about last year Malcolm Butler, a good not spectacular corner,
was bench for the Super Bowl. He had a bad
week of practice. In the two previous playoff games, he
got absolutely torched by Blake Bortles and Marcus Mariota. That
sentence had never been uttered, and Belichick decided, you relate
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to practice. You've been awful. I don't like the matchups.
I'm benching you and the media vultures circled Belichick. He's
a dope, he's out of touch. This will never allast.
The dynasty is certainly over. This for the greatest coach
of all time. Malcolm Butler in the two previous playoff
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games was awful. Blake Bortles and Marcus Mariota when they
threw and targeted him, had one hundred and forty six
quarterback ratings. Belichick Best Football said, yeah, I'm not gonna
play it. Had a bad week of practice. You're a mess.
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Vultures teeth sharpened eating alive. Sean McVay, meanwhile, who has
two playoff wins, one with an asterisk, did not play
Todd Gurley much the last two weeks. McVay said he's healthy.
Todd Gurley came out after the Super Bowl and said,
now I'm healthy. Where's the criticism? Where are the credits
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that Sean mcveigh's earned that Bill Belichick did not earn McVay,
who I like a lot, the Rams, who are very
fun to watch. But McVay had a stinker. And if
Gurley is healthy and the Rams simply lied, how in
the world would we treat the Patriots for that. Todd gurley'
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is a top ten NFL player when he had eighteen
plus touches, the Ams were nine and oh Super Bowl
barely part of the game plan. So either McVay should
get crushed for not giving him the ball, or the
Rams and McVay should get torched for lying about it.
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Malcolm Butler was atrocious in the two previous weeks in
the playoffs. Blake Bortles ate him up, Marcus Mariota ate
him up. Had a bad week, late to a meeting,
Belichick benched him, and it was shark week among the media.
It was vulture circling. So when you tell me the
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media doesn't have a bias, I look at this story
and think, really, no bias. Ever, Bill Belichick is inarguably
the best football coach ever, and I say that with
Jimmy Johnson is a friend. I say that loving Bill Parcels.
Belichick has separated from the profession. We gave him not
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a single pass McVeigh two playoff wins, one with an asterisk.
I mean the stories moved on. The media's reaction to
it is okey, dokey, have a good offseason. See you
in Cancoon. Maybe that's it all right. The bias is
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not just in the words you're write, but in the
stories you cover. One more heard. The Herd streams twenty
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whenever you like. As I'm watching the Patriots dynasty, it
makes me think is that I can see somebody duplicating
what the Warriors are doing because I can see a
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bunch of great stars getting together in another city. It
could be LA it could be New York. I can
see the Warriors championships, that dynasty being replicated. We've seen
that a lot in the NBA. I'm not sure if
New England's can be. And I want to bring in
Peter King via the Coward Global Satellite Network. I mean, Peter,
you've been covering this league for thirty years. I don't
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think we're going to see a twenty year dynasty. I don't.
I mean, you talked to Robert Kraft, you talked to
Brady privately or not so privately. Do they think you
can duplicate this. It's not happening, Colin. It's never going
to happen. I mean it's amazing that. I mean, consider
the truly great teams of our lifetime, Okay, the truly
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great ones Okay, And that would be dependent on how
old you are. The Green Bay Packers, the Pittsburgh Steelers,
and the San Francisco forty nine ers. Yeah, there have
been a lot of very good teams that might won
a couple of them. But I'm talking about the great teams. Right.
All of those teams exist one less, they won less,
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and they existed in a time before free agency and
before a salary cap. Yeah. And what is amazing about
this run is that. And I said it last year
when the seth Wickersham's story came out on ESPN, that
everybody is saying, oh my god, it's going to be
the end of the Patriots, and who knows, maybe it
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would have been. Who I don't know, but just think
of this. The best owner, coach, quarterback triumvirate. I think
of our lifetime. You know, before this one was Eddie
de Bartlow, Bill Walsh, Joe Montine. Yeah. Yeah, they lasted
ten years. They lasted ten years. Well, assuming that Brady
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plays again, it's Kraft Belichick, Wall, Kraft Belichick, Brady, and
they're entering their nineteenth year. It's amazing. We're never going
to see it again. Kraft told me at midnight on Sunday,
you will never see this again. This is not an
owner bragging about his team. This is the absolute truth.
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We're not seeing it again. You know, two things are
hap opening that I think are an advantage to New England.
The league is getting younger, and the league is more mobile.
So the same guys, the same staff, the same old
line coach. The Patriots are uniquely experienced and uniquely old
and key spots coaching and playing. And as the league
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gets more mobile and highers younger players and younger coaches
and everybody's moving around and staffs are changing. You know,
I look at Josh McDaniels and that relationship with Brady,
and I think it's the most underdiscussed relationship in the NFL.
Go to this Sunday's game. By the way, they put
in eight plays, as you reported, first in Kansas City
in a hotel dining room, and then in this one.
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I mean I did. Josh McDaniels to me, I could
argue won this game? Did he not? Well, you know, Colin.
I was over at their party one thirty two o'clock
Monday morning at their hotel, and one of their guys
told me, says, you need to find out what happened
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with you know, in the fourth quarter and how we
changed everything on that deal. So I know Dwayne Allen, okay,
he's their backup tight end to Gronk, and I knew
him pretty well when he played in Indianapolis. So I asked, everybody,
where's Duyne Allen? Where I finally find him? You know,
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I can barely hear him over Snoop Dogg because there's
this ninety decibel party going on. And I asked him.
I asked him to tell me what exactly, what exactly happened?
He said, Josh McDaniels gathered us all on the sideline
and he said, essentially that we're changing everything that we've
done to this point. We haven't practiced this at all
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leading up to this game. We want to keep their
standard defense on the field. We don't want them to
go nickel. We want them to go base defense because
we think we would have great matchups in our passing
game running Gronk against linebackers. Edelman maybe against a linebacker,
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a running back like Rex burkhead against a linebacker. We're
gonna get these matchups. So they did it. Five plays,
sixty nine yards, the only touchdown of the game. And
to me, I agree with you totally. The guy who's
lost in all of this for the New England Patriots
that they're incredibly lucky has not been picked off. And
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for the life of me, with some of the things
we've seen coaches do over the years, for everybody to
hate on McDaniels because he backed out of the Colts
thing last year, and I get it, I get it
it was a bad thing to do. But to now say, well,
you're never going to coach again, and maybe maybe he'll
never be a head coach, I don't know, but wow,
what a job he's done both in Kansas City and
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in Atlanta in the championship game and the Super Bowl, Peter,
I think we're given mcvai a little pass. Last year,
we ate Belichick alive because Malcolm Butler didn't play on
the Super Bowl, but he had been eaten at by
Blake Bortles and Marcus Mariota in previous playoff games. Bortles
and Mariota had one hundred and forty six combined quarterback
rating when they threw at him eleven times. And then
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he had a bad week of practice. Then he was
late to a meeting and Belichick said, you're not playing well,
you're out. He was ravaged. Todd Gurley didn't play. Gurley says,
I'm healthy. Mcveay says I'm healthy. They're nine and oh
when he touched the ball eighteen times. They're either lying
about his health or McVay butchered it. Shouldn't we be
more critical of McVeagh here? Oh? I think so. And
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I think Sean McVay has some plays in his game
that he would like to have back. But Colin, I'll
tell you this, this is my problem even more so
than that, because honestly, you know, Todd Gurley had not
been an impact player for the last two months, and
whether there's something wrong with him or whether teams are
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playing him a different way. I can't tell you that.
All I know is I would not have entered the
Super Bowl saying we're giving it to Girly twenty eight times.
I just wouldn't have done it. Yeah, and C J.
Anderson three of the last four games, has been a
better back. So I guess what I'm saying. I guess
what I'm saying is I fault Sean McVeigh for something else,
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for not being explosive, imaginative, a little crazy. That's what
the Rams are with all the motions, all of the
all of sort of the crazy ideas on offense. There's
none of that in this game. And maybe Belichick took
it away. But all I'm saying is I'm more I
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would be more angry as a Rams fan that they
played a pretty bor They executed a pretty boring offensive
game plan that wasn't the McVeigh kind of game plan,
and that's one of the big reasons why the only
points they scored were on a mirrac not a miracle,
but on almost a Hail Mary field goal in four quarters.
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It's amazing, really, I think it's going to be and
I know you don't pay a ton of attention to
the draft. But the Patriots have twelve draft picks. The
Colts have nine and one hundred million in cap space.
I do believe there's a handful of teams Kansas City
has a loaded roster or a great quarterback, a great coach.
I think Philadelphia is my pick for the NFC. I
think Howie Roseman, Doug Peterson, Lori and Wentz are all
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really gifted people. Is there a team as we kind
of wrap a ball in the season, is there a
team next year that if I said to you, Peter,
they're going to surprise people? Or there your team I've said,
I think the Cults are gonna pop next year with
the new players, the money and the picks. Do you
have one. I love the Colts. I think that's a
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fantastic pick with a healthy quarterback. I really like the
Ravens too, because it's a year of getting Lamar Jackson
used to playing in a system that will combine what
he does well and also combine some downfield rows which
they need to execute in that offense. But I do
want to say one thing about the draft, Colin just
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think about this. The New England Patriots will pick thirty
second in the first round in the next sixty eight
picks of a draft that all the guys early on
anywhere are saying. It's the second and third rounds in
going into the fourth where the strength of this draft
is between pick thirty two and pick one hundred sixty
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eight picks. New England has six picks. They got more
picks in the first three rounds than anybody. So with
those picks, in my opinion, if the Patriots choose to,
I think they could easily move up into the middle
part of the round and get the quarterback who they
think in twenty twenty one or twenty two will succeed
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Tom Brady. Now, could that be Kyler Murray? Daniel Jeremiah
think so, And I think it's really smart to look
out for Kyler Murray for this reason. Remember what the
Patriots were doing three days before the draft last year.
Josh McDaniels was with Baker Mayfield in Texas. I forget
who reported that it might have been Peter Schrager somebody
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on Draft night, but that was reported on Draft night,
never refuted by the Patriots, so obviously they have it
in their head. Let's get a quarterback. And they've got
all these picks. If they want to, they will be
able to move up and get their long term quarterback
in this draft. Great stuff, Peter King. He throws out
a Baker Mayfield Patriots nugget. Look at that. I can't
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let that go. That's great, Peter, NBC Sports dot Com. Thanks,
it wasn't my nugget. Though, it wasn't my nugget. I
stole it from I think NFL network on Draft nights,
So give them the credit. Okay, I will thank you, Peter.
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FS one and the iHeartRadio. With good comes bad, with
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bad comes good. Lebron's obviously a great player, last ten
to twelve years, best player in the NBA, and he's
won a bunch of titles. But the Lakers right now,
when you do business with Lebron, you can ask Dan Gilbert,
you can ask Magic Johnson. Privately, you can ask pat Riley.
You gotta sell a little bit of your soul. Pat
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Riley right now is laughing his ass off in Miami
looking at Magic Johnson, his buddy, saying This is what
I warned you about because they had talked about it.
When Lebron wants a play date with Anthony Davis, you
have to sell your other kids. There's a little bit
of that with Lebron. Fifteenth year in the NBA, three
titles and two franchises mostly wrecked when he left. He
left Cleveland, they were a disaster. He left Miami with
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pat Riley and Mickey Harrison, d Wade like these are
legends in the NBA. Kind of a mess. He just
left Cleveland. They're back to be in a mess. The
offers the Lakers are having to make to even consider
a deal for Anthony Davis. The Pelicans want four first
round in second round picks to start with Kyle Kuzma,
Brandon Ingram, Michael Beasley, Ray Jean Rondo, Land, Stevenson, Lonzo Ball,
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eight players, and they also have to swallow a horrible
contract Solomon Hill, who can't play but makes a bunch
of money. You would think they were trading Lebron's right,
what's Anthony Davis ever done? We know he's talented, and
this is the theory. You have to make decisions. Lebron's
about winning now, Lebron's window does not include a developing
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Lonzo Ball. They need a star player. And I would
say this, it's the duality of Lebron. You'll win when
he's there, but you're gonna be left with a mess
on your hands. I would say increasingly. I was told
by a league executive a couple of weeks ago that
Lebron's getting harder to work with his windows closing. He
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is more demanding. He doesn't have years to burn, he
didn't have practices to burn. And sometimes his guys can
be exhausting. They want total loyalty and they don't give
it in return. They think you're hustling them. They're fighting
for every penny and it can be exhausting, and you
gotta give away picks, and you gotta give away players,
and Lebron wants to win now. It's not easy, and
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Lebron was never easy, because the best player in the
world in any sports not perfectly easy. Even Brady and Michael,
and you know they're not easy. Jeter wasn't perfectly easy,
despite what you read. But Lebron's become increasingly difficult. And
I also think Lebroun, and this is fair to say,
has a history of for whatever reasons, he can struggle
with authority figures. He struggled with coaches, he struggled with Spoelstra.
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He struggles now with Luke Walton, despite what everybody says.
He struggled with Riley, Mickey Harris and Dan Gilbert, you know,
David Blatt. He can struggle a lot if you don't
have his worldview, if you don't acquiesce to what he wants,
then Lebron gets, you know, and the windows closing. Now
he's not in year eight with ten years left, He's
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now in year fifteen. He just came off an injury.
There's a lot going on here, and I do I
feel a little desperation, a little panic with the Lakers. Yes,
because here's what I keep coming back to Lebroun. I
mean remember last year he had a terrible January and
then there was the rumor of a trade, and then
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he went out that night and played great. He could
be a little moody. I found it. At the Super Bowl.
Lebron was very very happy on his Instagram, very happy
on Twitter this weekend. Why because the reports were coming
out that Anthony Davis and the Lakers were getting real close.
What happens Thursday, haven't doesn't happen, And my sources tell
me this morning it's closer to not happening than happening.
What does Lebron do for the next three months? Do
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you get I'm out because of load management, Lebron whatever
that was, I'm just saying, Doug Gottlieb said on our
show a year ago. And you know, I like Lebron
and I like his camp, and I think they've been
great for the league. But you got to look in
the mirror sometimes it's Lebron comes fifteen years in this league,
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sixteen years, we got three titles, and we got three
different wrecked franchises. When he leaves, here's Doug Gottlieb. Look
at the record for the Calves when he left. Look
at the record for the Heat when he looked left.
Part of it is that's who Lebron is. Like you
try and create everything to be perfect for him, and
when he leaves, it's like the kid that comes over
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to your house, and every time he comes over to
your house, right, somebody ends up being sick or the
playroom's messed up. What happened there? Like, well, Lebron was
here this is what happens. Lebron's a lot of fun
and everybody has a good time, and then when he leaves,
you know, everything is a mess. That's Lebron James. When
he leaves, he leaves it a mess. Other players when
they leave, they leave the situation better than it had been.
And there's you know, and it's just not anti Lebron.
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But remember this is a tougher situation to begin with.
When he went to Miami, they had a star and
they brought one along immediately, Wade and Bosh. When he
went to Cleveland, they had a star, Kyrie, and they
brought one along immediately. Kevin Love. Lebron's just looking for
one guy that's even close to his level. Forget a second.
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This is tougher. Lebron's out of his prime. I mean
this situation. I'm being told it's tense, and if it
doesn't get done Thursday, it is gonna be a very
interesting second half of the Lakers. Be sure to catch
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not a Empacific. Well, mister Ram the Hall of Famer
Eric Dickerson, who guaranteed a Rams win. I want to
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get to the serious thing though. And I said this
when when Belichick did not play Malcolm Butler, who had
had two previously horrible playoff games against Bortles of Mariota,
benched him. We killed Belichick. Mcvad didn't play Girly. My
thing was, well, then Girly better be hurt because you
give Todd Gurley the ball. You talked to Gurley before
the Super Bowl? Is he was he healthy? He said
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one hundred percent. That's that was his way we talked.
I talked him the night before. I send him a text.
He called me right after the tax I said, how
you feeling? He said, Eric, I'm one hundred percent. I'm
gonna say this. This remind you ever seen the movie
Face Off with Jonathrew Boulter and Nicholas Cage faces. Yeah,
it was. It was a different guy. This is almost
like like Jeff Fisher, Sean mcvain. I mean, it was
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like it was like a sweet He coached like Jeff
Fisher that day. The offense was no adjustments. Man. I'm disappointed. Man,
I'm serious. The big thing in this football game. I
got a call from Hall of Famer Richard Dent. I
got a call from Hall of Famer Ricky Jackson and
my good friend Harvey Armstone who played for the Eagles,
who played SMU together. All three of them said the
same thing at first, Man, why ain't y'all running football? Man?
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It's it's girly, it's girly. Hurt, I said. I talked
to him the night before. He said, he said, I
ain't seen him a text. Go get that MVP. That
was a perfect time to run the football. Run c J.
Anderson either man. Look c J. Anderson is a good player,
he really is, but he's not Todd Gurley. He's not
play your best player. That's like taking Tom Brady out
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the game and putting somebody else in. You play your
best player and you run him. You if he ran
about twenty twenty five times and we lost, I said,
you know what, I'm good with that. No. I mean
it's funny because if you had a run girly twenty
times and you'll lost lost. I could walk to the
podium and say I felt in this moment I didn't
want to put the burden on a third year quarterback.
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There you go, that's coaching. My takeaway was I thought
golf would play fine. But my takeaway was going into
this game was Girly needs to be the guy to win.
And in the first quarter. Eric, after two series, my
takeaway was Girly's not part of the game plan. Even
though there was no score, I was like, oh, this
is a huge edge for New England. Man. It was.
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It was. It was a perfect set of for us.
I mean, all we need to do was run the football.
And if I'm balid saying, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm like,
oh good, perfect. No. I mean Belichick's thinking, so you're
gonna have golf try to beat us exactly. You're gonna
put your faith in a young quarterback. Yeah, okay. And
the play action ain't no play action. We do not
even worry about the play action. I mean, think about this.
We didn't even get in the red zone. The field
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goal we kick was a fifty three yard field old
to score. Other than that, we wouldn't even score points. Eric,
do you know I was there's a guy online, Warren
Sharp that does this that the Rams didn't even go
to like double tight ends to create protection until the
Brandon Cooks play. Oh, like, I mean they went the
whole I mean, it was like it was just an
incredibly odd game. It was really odd. And he's funny
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you say that because I was driving over here this morning.
I'm like, why didn't Heed go a lot of two
tights because I can hear when we played it's a
Rams come out and double tights. You know, that's a
running set. That's to protect your quarterback. Yes, if you
have to and run the football, but that basically Lawrence Taylor.
If you played the Giants when they had Lawrence Taylor
ran two tights, you ran two tight ends. Joe Gibbs tells.
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The story goes, we didn't run. Everybody thinks I'm a genius.
I just went to two types because we had to
block LT. Look that's what you do with a great
pass rush. And the Patriots from the first series on
Eric had a tremendous pass rush. Yeah, they they got
they got to Jared Goffin. I gotta say, Jared didn't
play bad. He didn't play great, but he didn't play
he didn't play like wha, that was a horrible game him. No.
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I just feel like they put too much pressure on
a young quarterback and did not use our best player.
I mean, and it showed. I mean, you know, you
got to say it and sometimes you know, I say,
these young coaches and coaches in general, they get caught
up and throwing the football. I'm gonna show you how
smart I am. I'm gonna show you this trick play.
You're gonna go, wow, did you see that? Not God,
I was such a trick play instead of just you
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know what old fashion to him, it's always been a
knock on lane kiff and they call it vanity play calling.
The young hot shot offensive coordinators get into vanity play calling,
which is, look at this clever play, and look at
this clever play. And instead of by the way we
saw it. We saw it with Sean Payton to get
in the game against US against he got into vanity
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play calling a Sean, you got the ball down in
the red zone, run the ball, kicking the field goal.
These offensive coaches listen. It's like anything else. It's it's
almost biblical. If you had a great voice, you'd sing
all day. If you're an offensive genius, you want to
show everybody you're an offensive genius. By the way, Gurley
declined to talk to the media today at the RAMS facility,
I want to ask you this. The team that loses
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the Super Bowl the team that loses in the championship round,
they're not guaranteed to be back. Half the teams that
lose the Super Bowl. Half the teams that lose these
championship series, they take a step back. Are you worried
about the emotional pushback? This is an old team in
certain spots on the offensive line. Are you worried the
Rams take a big step back? No, I'm not worried.
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I mean, look, first of all, you know, we we
have a lot of good pieces on that football team,
a lot of good pieces. Well, I'm sure we'll lose
some pieces this year, this next season coming up. But
but and I'm first of all, I'm let everybody know
I still have the utmost faith in coach Sean mcvade,
the utmost face. Yeah, hit a bad day, and now
all of us have. The players have them. Coaches have
THEMS last year out coach the Patriots and the Super Bowl, right,
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everybody has them. So you know, it's it's no court,
It's no worry there. You know, I just feel like
that football is a game of chance. You know, you
you gotta have injury free, You've got to have the
right players on the field. It's got to be amazing.
You gotta think about this college. This is three years,
the Rams have been back in LA three years, and
we're in a super Bowl. That you got it? That's big.
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I mean, no matter we win, lose a drop, we didn't,
wind have been fantastic, but still that is a big
step for a coach that I've been comingy coaching in
national football for two years. You know, I said yesterday
Eric that the way the NFL works, it first humbles you.
Belichick fired in Cleveland. It humbles you, and then it
allows you baby steps to a title. If McVay want it.
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It was almost like, okay, you're too young. You have
the game. Football has a way. It humbled Bill Parcels.
It humbled Joe Gibbs, it humbled Troy Aikman. It's humbled
the legends. It humbled Peyton Manning who got to a
Super Bowl and got humiliated. It just would have been
too darn early. There has no such things. Too darn early.
I don't think you know it, but you're right. It
does humble you because sometimes you start feeling like, Okay,
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I got this. You know, I can honestly say my
rookie season, I'm like man, this ain't that hard. After all,
this ain't I mean, after a couple of game, I'm like,
this is kind of easy. Then, you know, as as
time went on, like, man, let me shut up. This
is hard, Marina. Are you get to a super Bowl?
You may never get back. Good stuff one more heard.
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live or on demand whenever you live. All right, here's
the breaking news. According Duwoes, the Lakers are still glad
to engage with the Pelicans on an Anthony Davis trade,
but the Lakers have pulled out. They're no longer wanting
to bid against themselves. The Lakers said, the bids and
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the questions and the demands are outrageous. The Lakers were
not going to give the Pelicans the six to eight
draft picks they wanted for Anthony Davis. The Lakers had
agreed to send their entire young core, Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma,
brandon Ingram, Josh Hart Zoobots to the Pelicans, as well
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as KCP, Contavious Caldwell Pope who's an interesting player. But
the Lakers said we're out of this thing. We're not
selling the farm for I agree with the Lakers here.
I understand those I get the argument to just go
for it. But remember, with Lebron there's carnage. Cleveland both
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times he left was a mess. Miami first year and
a half two years he left was a mess. When
you sell everything for Lebron, there is carnage afterwards. And
the Lakers, and I know this firsthand, they don't want
to give away everything. Now They're willing to give away
a ton. But Brad Turner of the La Times broke
the initial story. The Lakers have pulled out. This is
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what I said mostly today. I believe last night they
would get it done. And then this morning and late
late last night I got a text from an executive
in the league that says there is pressure on the
Pelicans to basically rob the Lakers, and the Lakers to
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make the Lakers hurt and magic. I think the Lakers
made the right movie. I really do. Lebron this morning
was asked about Anthony Davis at a shooter around. Here's Lebron.
Earlier today. I kind of tend not to play much
fantasy basketball, you know, and that's just how I've always been.
It's something. What's a car with our team, no matter
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if if it's him or for somebody else who at
the trade day line, we will approach a damn I listen,
I'm not flipping on this. I would not give all
this stuff up to get Anthony Davis. It's it's outrageous. Now.
I do get Yankees, Cowboys, Lakers. The inertia created when
you bring the superstar in. I do get it, and
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it's hard to overpay. It generally pays off. But you
have to at some point not bid against yourself. You
have to have pride. You can't give away eight draft
picks and seven players. That's just idiotic. Lebron's I got
news for you. Lebron, Anthony Davis are not going to
win a championship. I'm not even sure. It's like Lebron
and d Wade. They're great, but they need other parts
to win. Today. Just because you get Anthony Davis, if
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you give all that up, he only need shooters around you.
It's not over. Lebron and d Wade were never the
perfect match. They were good buddies, but they were both
Neither was a great perimeter shooter. They were both great athletes,
they were both drivers. They needed bat bunch of guys
that contributed to those final shooters Champion Allen Mike Miller
batty A. You needed shooters this like your team Anthony
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Davis and Lebron are not winning a championship. You gotta
get shooters.