March 16, 2023 • 35 mins
Colin explains why Aaron Rodgers lacks self-awareness after some concerning comments during his interview with Pat McAfee and admitting he wants to play for the Jets. He points out the Lakers cannot rely on Anthony Davis as their franchise player after he missed another game that resulted in a disappointing loss for LA as they fight to stay in the playoff hunt. He also puts the Chiefs recent success in proper context as the fall of the Patriots dynasty continues to crumble away. Plus, Hall of Famer and former Packer LeRoy Butler joins the show to tell Colin what Packer fans think about Rodgers publicly admitting he's ready to leave them behind for the Jets
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is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowhern on
Fox Sports Radio. Oh here we go. It is a Thursday,
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live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. J Mac joining me as
though as he loves the next three or four days
because it's March Madness. He's at college basketball die hard.
So I'm gonna do what I know Jason's gonna do.
Go home after this show, crack open a beer and
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sit and watch college hoops for about the eight hours.
That would be the plan, but I got a bunch
of buddies who are like, we gotta watch this at
a bar. I'm like, can you find a bar where
I can bring my dog? That need has been met.
So a lot of consuming NCAA tournament and Aaron Rodgers
questions in the next forty year old. So let's start
with that. I don't necessarily agree with all his political stances.
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But there's a Canadian psychologist named Jordan Peterson, and he
has a belief, and I tend to believe this too,
is that you can't totally be an adult, a grown
up until you love somebody more than yourself. And this
psychologist believes and I do too, that to really be
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a grown up. It's not the only way to be
an adult, but it's certainly impactful in your development as
a human being. You're married, you have kids, anybody who's
had kids. The minute you have a kid, you find
out that your love for that child is so much
greater than the narcissism and love for yourself. So, again,
Jordan Peterson, I may not agree with him on some
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climate opinions, but I will say that I agree there
that you have to love somebody greater and yourself. That
is one of the first signs. Young people tend to
be selfish and self absorbed, and many adults are. But
that gets you to the next level. So let me
pivot into Aaron Rodgers appearance yesterday on YouTube. His words,
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he went into the retreat his words, not mine, ninety
percent sure he was going to retire, He said, I
got to admit I went into the darkness ninety percent retiring,
ten percent playing okay his words. He was also surprised,
his words that when he came out, Green Bay had decided,
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you know, we we're gonna go with Jordan Loves let's
make a trade happen for you. And he was surprised
by that, his words. How could you be surprised by that?
If you're the most important person in your world. If
you were married, let's say, I think maybe your wife
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would say, the season ended eight weeks ago. They've made
you rich, They've made us rich, They've given us a
great life. You probably should give him a heads up.
If you had kids, maybe your son says, Dad, I
love the Packers. You're not going to leave the packers.
Maybe you'd feel some guilt give him an answer either way.
But if you're the most important person in your life,
you just run on your clock and you are mister
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independent and I'll do what I want on my time.
And Aaron thinks he's the smartest adult, and I'm questioning
this morning if he's an adult, If you're the most
important person in your life, and you don't sacrifice, then
you are surprised when you come out of a retreat
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that you went into at ninety percent retiring, and your surprise,
green Bay said, we want to move on. Now I
am I am now not his words, but I am
guessing that he had to give green Bay a heads
up that he was strongly considering retirement. I mean, he's
a jerk if he didn't. If I was to leave
Fox for retirement and didn't give him heads up, I'm
a jerk. So I'm gonna say Aaron's not a jerk.
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If you're gonna leave your wife suddenly in the middle
of the night, you're a schmuck. So I would assume
she has a head's up if you're gonna leave. I'm
going to assume Aaron's not a jerk, and that green
Bay had some sense of his impending decision would lean
heavily into retirement. I'll assume he's a decent human being,
but he's surprised. Let me ask you if if I
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told one of my bosses radio TV or my wife, listen,
I'm ninety percent into leaving you. I'm going to go
in a retreat for four or five days by myself.
When I come back, I'll be closer to a decision.
You think I'd be surprised if my wife Ann said, hey, pal,
hit the road, or if my bosses upstairs said, you know,
we found another guy we really like him, or another
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woman they're going to host the show. The only surprise
is Aaron is surprised. That's how self centered and deluded
he apparently, is that he can't believe that people he's
been stringing along, who he was threatening retirement to, would
move on as mister will do things on my clock.
Totally dictated terms last several years. Here's another one and again,
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when you're the most important person in your life, you
demand things from others because nobody calls you on your bs.
His quote here yesterday, his words again, my only demand
is for transparency, yet he never provides any. Two separate
Green Bay packers on offense have told me since the
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Super Bowl they have no idea what he's doing. What
about transparency? Again, when you're the most important person in
your life and maybe haven't become a true adult yet,
you demand things from others that you don't provide for them.
His teammates are guessing, the packers are guessing, the fans
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are guessing. But he wants transparency. That's the one thing.
Not my words. His He was ninety percent retiring, not
my words. He was surprised when they booted him when
he came out, not my words, his mirror arand or
in the bathroom staring at It's very perceptive with those
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lasers and that wit and that acumen, pointing fingers. Listen
to yourself. Ninety percent retirement going in and surprised when
Green Bay said, hit the road, champ, We're exhausted. Would
any of you be surprised if your bosses, your wife,
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people tired of you stringing along year after year. That's surprising.
I don't have to agree with Jordan Peterson on anything
other than once you become something beyond yourself, then you're
officially an adult. Anthony Davis is an adult for the Lakers,
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but he's an adult that, even when he's paying free,
doesn't play basketball. So Richard Jefferson called out the Lakers yesterday.
The Lakers lost to the worst team arguably in the league,
the Houston Rockets. Houston Rockets are young, they're awful, They're
actively tanking, and yet despite being one of the worst
teams in the league, they scored seventy eight points in
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the paint and they had sixty two points at half
against the Lakers. They dominated the inside. Why because Anthony
Davis couldn't play load management even though he was pain free,
and Richard Jefferson called out the Lakers in a D
When a coach says that a player is pain free,
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but we're still going to keep him out again if
your media managing, if you're telling me that he's not
having pain, if he has some soreness on the off day,
if there's you know, and again there's still probably some reaction.
If you're talking about the stress reaction. It's a stress reaction.
So they're like, we're not going to overloaded. I get it,
but it's like, if you have pain, if you are
paying free, then I just get confused. And I'm not
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a doctor, so I'm not being critical here. I just
hear it, and I'm like, I just don't understand what's
the old saying. People will show you who they are.
Just believe them. So it's okay to be as a
Laker fan frustrated with a D. It's not necessarily his decision.
It is a upstairs executive management decision. So what the
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Lakers are telling you is going forward, this is how
we deal with a D. And if the Lakers are
going to run this back, they deserve to be a
non playoff team. Lebron year twenty one and load management AD.
That's what the Lakers are telling us, They're telling the fans,
they're telling the media. This is how heads up, this
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is how AD is going to be used going forward.
So I looked this morning. The last five years, this
is the new reality for a D. He plays forty
eight games a year, and they've now pivoted to he
will sit out games when he's pain free. Okay, So
Lebron now going into year twenty one next year, where
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he's given US fifty games a year, a D now
given us forty seven games a year and a D
and the Lakers have now pivoted two. He's also going
to sit out pain free nights. If you run this back,
you deserve not making the playoffs. By the way, I'm
not blaming a D. It's his body, although he should
take better care of it. He came in out of
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shape three years ago. So some of This is on
a d he you know, they joke about his dad
body all the time within the organization. He's not a grinder.
He's not a guy that lives in the weight room.
Your body treats you how you treat your body. It's
why you can see fifty year old people that are
fallen apart physically and sixty year old people, seventy year
old people who are in great shape. Your body will
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treat you like you treat your body. And Ad didn't
treat his body that great. So some of this is
on him. But he's not thirty seven, thirty eight years old.
He's thirty. He just turned thirty. So the Lakers, for
a player that just turned thirty, have now pivoted two.
There's nights we're not going to play him when he's
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pain free. Okay, people tell you who they are. Believe him.
You can be mad as a Laker fan. What you
should be mad about is if they run this nonsense back.
Don't be mad about this. This is to help the player.
You know, they sat him against a bad Okac team.
Didn't hurt him. They sat him against an awful Rockets team.
It did hurt him. Seventy eight points in the paint.
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You ain't getting now with a d if ads on
the floor, You're not going seventy eight points in the paint.
So again, you can be mad about last night, but
be really mad if they run it back and tell
you it's got a chance to be a championship team.
No it doesn't, No, it does not. Be sure to
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catch live editions of The Herd week dayson Newneaster, not
a Empacific, on Fox Sports Radio FS one, and the
iHeartRadio app. So for years, the New England Patriots were
viewed as the smartest team in the NFL on the field,
off the field, during the season, off season, they were
just smarter than everybody else. We never viewed them as
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the most talented team. Those Randy Moss teams actually never
won a Super Bowl. Those were arguably the most talented teams,
I thought. But they were always smart, the way they
worked the cap, the way they didn't have the draft
guys in the first or second round, but always had
great offensive lines. Maybe now the Kansas City Chiefs have
become that. So I've been banging on the Patriots for
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three years that they're tone deaf offensively, they have no
sensibility they don't get it. That was obviously clear last
year when they made a defensive coordinator. The offensive coordinator,
Bill Belichick is all defense all the time, has no
feel at all for offense. So Juju Smith Schuster. The
Pittsburgh Steelers a stable organization that has always been willing
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Mike Tomlin to deal with some drama, a b big
band for years, Lavan Bell. They bailed on Juju the
TikTok king. They bailed on him too silly, too immature.
The chiefs smartly said, well, you're talented. We'll bring in
for a one year deal. We won't pay it, but
we'll give you a incentive laden contract like seven and
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a half million was just incentives. Two and a half
million was actual salary. Didn't pay him anything. What did
he do? He was productive, He played with urgency, He
was very good. So did the chiefs resign him? Hell no,
let him walk. The Patriot stepped in to give him
a three year deal. Silly brand, loyal, TikTok obsessed Juju
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Smith Schuster. This is the kind of deal the Patriot
fans would have laughed at years ago. Other teams being
the sucker. It was New England that would use a
distracted player with talent for a year, get the most
out of him. Always move off guys right before they
were a pain in the butt. The Chiefs used Juju.
Pay him nothing, all bonuses. He hits on a lot
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of them. Then say see a great We're gonna go
draft guys that are really into football. And the suckers
come roaring down the street New England, totally out of
touch offensively and give distracted Juju Smith Schuster. He can't separate.
He's a number three receiver, that's what he is. By
the way, simultaneously letting go of their own player, undrafted
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Jacoby Myers. So last year, look at the numbers Juju
Smith Schuster. That's with Andy Reid, a real offensive coordinator,
and Patrick Mahomes put up numbers that were identical to
Jacoby Myers. And they bailed on Jacoby Myers, who did
nothing but work hard, totally focused, not into TikTok, not
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into his brand, just into being a great NFL player.
They bailed on that and signed the constantly, perpetually habitually
distracted Juju Smith Schuster. Patriots, you laughed at teams that
did that years ago. You laughed at him you rolled
your eyes. Suckers is what they were. When you look
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around the poker table and you can't find the mark,
You're the mark. New England's now the mark at the
poker table Kansas City, as the culture has changed totally
in tune. They can bring rookies in guys off the street.
This year they won a Super Bowl with three receivers
who were cast offs from other teams and a rookie
sky More I mean New England has. They are completely
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utterly out of touch on offense, even with their own personnel.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter ninety Empacific. So yesterday Jay McK and
I tried to predict what the over unders we're going
to be now the Jets have Aaron Rodgers though not official,
and the Packers have moved off Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love.
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Our numbers were pretty darn close. The over under on
the Jets with Aaron Rodgers would now be over ten.
I would bet the under on that. I think the
Jets will be an eighter and nine win team with
Aaron Rodgers, especially if the Packers keep dragging this thing out. Also,
the Packers over under is to me way too low
at seven and a half. So remember schedules and the
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quarterbacks you face can determine a lot. So Green Bay
gets lucky and faces the NFC South as one of
their combatants next year. That means three bad quarterbacks and
Derek Carr with a lousy defensive head coach, lousy Dennis
Allen to this point in his career. So here's the
quarterbacks that Jordan Love would face. Justin Fields two times,
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Desmond Ritter, Daniel Jones, Baker Mayfield or Kyle Trask, whoever
Carol Line of drafts, Kenny pick at Jimmy Garoppolo. That's
eight right there. Not only that, Russell Wilson certainly beatable
Kirk Cousins Jared Goff four times combined. Now let's just
put down Mahomes as a loss and Stafford if he's available,
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as a loss, and Justin Herbert it is the Chargers.
But that's a loss. You could be fourteen and thirteen.
I don't think you're gonna win all those games, but
seven and a half is low. This idea Green Bay
is gonna capsize. Remember they're probably getting the Jets first
round pick with Aaron Rodgers. There's a story today green
Bay at moving until they get a first round pick,
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not multiple, but one, and I think that's incredibly fair.
That would give them two first round picks in the
middle of the first round. Yet, well, green Bay doesn't
whiff on first round picks. They draft and develop top
five in the NFL. Two first round picks for green Bay,
those are two starters very quickly. So it's also much
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easier to navigate the NFC. And I'll give you an
example of what the NFC is now. I'm not saying
Jordan Love is forty five year old Tom Brady, but
last year, at forty five, forty six years old, Brady
with the worst run game in the league a defensive
head coach, had multiple wins with a single touchdown pass
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In fact, Brady won five games last year. This is
with no run game with a passer rating under ninety.
So if Jordan Love is an eighty seven eighty eight
passer rating guy with a much better run game than
Brady had and a much easier schedule, potentially he can't
win eight games. Hell, they only won eight games with
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Aaron Rodgers last year. So this idea, there's this massive
pressure to replace Aaron Rodgers. Aaron didn't make the playoffs.
Aaron's been a postseason disappointment last three or four years,
last three years. So it's not like you're you know,
you're not replacing mahone or you know somebody Joe Burrow
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that leaves awake. You're replacing the guy the city was
tired of the team's moving on from with a schedule
with eight average quarterbacks. You know, Jimmy Garoppolo is better
than average, but not a Ton Desmond Ritter, Justin Fields,
Daniel Jones, Kyle Trash, Baker Mayfield a rookie, and Carolina
Kenny Pickett. I don't know, so I think the Jets
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at ten fields a little high for me. I would
bet the under on that they may hit ten. But
I think it's it feels like an under seven and
a half for green Bay. Does it not feel a
little low? I just looked at twenty twenty two and
what did the Packers do last year? They had losses too?
Are you ready for this? Taylor Heineke, Daniel Jones over
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in London and they lost at home to whoever the
Jets had at quarterback. I believe it was Zach Wilson.
So they're gonna be going down in quarterback from Aaron
Rodgers to Jordan Love. The defense last year was a catastrophe. Okay,
we know they they were highly ready to going into
the season. They had some injuries, JayR Alexander played poorly.
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So I don't think you could automatically say like, this
is a team that could win nine games, okay, but
at eight they wouldn't make the playoffs? Is it? Don't
you think it's a pretty good bet with the stability
they have Jordan Love now year four with two first
round starters, probably at least one a tight end or
a receiver. Remember you say, well Green Bay wasn't good
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last year. No, they were really good late. They weren't
good early because Aaron didn't go to off off site
or off season CONSI they were a terrible team early.
They were a very good team late. They were dangerous, right, yeah,
very late. They beat Justin Fields at Soldier, they beat
Baker Mayfield. Teams are gonna play this year at home.
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They played, they beat two in Miami and then they
beat Kirk Cousins well again, so that's who they're playing
next year. It's not like it's different. I'm just saying,
do you think Kirk Cousins is gonna go eleven and
oh and one score games? There'll be some regression from
Kirk Cousins, some some, but we I think we admit
Lions are gonna be a problem. And it looks like
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the Lions did they sweet. Yeah, the Lions swept the
Packers last year. So the big question is do you
think they're gonna do that back to back years. Listen,
I'm telling you right now I like the Lions to
win that division next year. And by the way, by
the way, the Bears are spending like drunken sailors right
now in free agency. They are not going to be
the worst team in the league next year. They're gonna
be a six or seven win team, and they're gonna
be a problem fighting back. They got a lot more
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talent already, Colin a lot of linebackers. Signed a bunch
of linebackers. What's that receiver's name, Oh, dj Moore, that's right.
We'll see if they can get the ball to him.
Justin Are you doubting Justin Field? Well, I'm sixty forty,
I'm not eighty twenty. I'm sixty forty. He can play
in this league as a starter. I'm not sixty forty
he's going to be a star. That to me is
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really low. Sixty forty he's a franchise quarter. I'll just
remind I know you know this. But when Jalen Hurts
added aj Brown, he went from like we don't know him,
maybe he's a starter to potential MVP two. Added Tyree
Hill in mid season two, it was on track to
be like an MVP Kennedy. You get these great receivers.
DJ Moore's not grad, he's very good, and there's a
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chance Fields makes a big jump. I believe it's very possible.
I do. And those are good examples that when you
gave two and Hurts a star receiver, things change. And
you even said, Josh Allen, I think he got Stephan
Diggs right when they stole him from Minnesota, and all
of a sudden, Josh Allen's numbers go through the roof.
So I'm none of this. I'm denying. I'm just what
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I'm saying is seven and a half wins. What you're
making it sound like is Green Bay in the NFC
is gonna be a non Factor's bad in a seven
team game schedule. You bet the under they're gonna go
seven and ten in the NFC. That's a bad football team.
That's a bad A seven and ten team in the
NFC is not a seven and ten team in the AFC.
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Oh And you're taking away your great blocking receiver in
Alan Zart. He's out the door. He's in the New
York Football Jets uniform. Now. I love how we go back,
but I think I'm just I tend to believe that
well run. You know, my rule has always been higher
smart people, they'll figure it out. Green Bay has got
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a lot of smart people in that organization, Scouts, regional scouts,
Guden Kunts, Mark Murphy, these are smart guys. They'll figure
some stuff out. What they're making a bet on from
all the video they've seen, the practices. Jordan Love can play.
I trust smart guy is saying we think he can play.
That's what they said years ago with Aaron Rodgers who
went to junior college and cow They're like, this guy
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can play. Hey, I'm Doug Got. The podcast is called
All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all the time,
but it's more about the stories about what made these
people love their sport. And all the interesting interactions along
the way. We talked to coaches, we talked to players,
we tell you stories. You download it. He listened to it.
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I think you'll like it. Listen to All Ball with
Doug glib on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or ever
you get your podcast today. The window opens today for
the Ravens Lamar Jackson to contact other teams. So basically,
what the Baltimore Ravens, a well run organization, are saying
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is we don't think there's a big market for Lamar Jackson.
We think we're offering him an often injured player who's
very dynamic, a fair contracts. So they offered him something
called a non exclusive franchise tag. What is that. It's
thirty two million bucks. You can go to the market
if you get a better offer, we have a right
in five days to match it. But we don't. We're
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gonna give you this offer because this is why the
Chiefs signed Mahomes early. They didn't want him to go
to market because they knew they'd be If you have
a great quarterback who plays every Sunday and as wildly productive,
you don't want him to go to the market, right,
You don't want anybody else to have an You never
want him to go to the market. The Ravens are
offering Lamar Jackson to the market. They're saying, all right,
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get a better offer. He's got three things working against him.
His mom's his agent. It's not impossible, but it's unorthodox
for a superstar American athlete. You call his mom, you
call him. It's weird, and some teams don't want to
deal with that. The second thing is he's got a
lot of injuries at the end of the last two years.
That's a problem. And number three is he's become kind
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of a noisy player. Is he mad as he's sulking?
Nobody really knows. There's a lot of question marks around him.
People don't like that. That's why Aaron Rodgers doesn't have
a big market. As he committed, is he going to play?
There's a bunch of question marks. So the Ravens are saying,
go to the market. I will say this, Atlanta makes
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so much sense to me. So the NFC South is
as bad as it's ever been. It's the weakest division
easily in football. It's not going to be weak forever.
So when something a week in any business that is
infrequently weak. Seize the moment. If in any industry, if
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you're like there's a weakness in the industry, that's the
moment you capitalize, get aggressive. So he's a merchandise and
a newsmaking superstar quarterback in a bad division. He would
be arguably the best quarterback in the entire conference that
he signs. He's always been looking up more accurate than
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anybody wants to admit. When anybody compares justin Fields and Lamar,
I'm always like time out, time out, time out, time out.
Lamar Jackson is an accurate thrower of the football. I'm
not saying he's Mahomes in Borough. I'm not saying he's
Brady and Jalen Hurts last year. I'm not saying that.
But he's an accurate distributor of the football, more than
accurate enough. So Atlanta started accumulating tight ends about a
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week ago, and my takeaway was, that's interesting. They also
Atlanta has an advantage. They have an offensive coach. So
remember when Cam new and went to Belichick defensive coach.
They didn't know how to hell to use him. They
Belichick didn't know how to use him. A lot of
these defensive coaches. They just have no offensive sensibility. They
don't know how to use him. If you got an
offensive coach, you're gonna have a better opportunity to figure
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out how to use Lamar, who's a very unique player.
He is a great player. Mom being an agent doesn't help.
Injuries don't help. He's got noisy, a lot of mystery.
That didn't help. But if I was Baltimore, I would
try to sign him. And if I was Atlanta, I
would run to sign him. Bad division offensive coach, they've
already got really good tight ends on a star young receiver.
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And they're not paying a lot of skill players. They're
paying some people on the defensive line and a couple
of people on the offensive line, but they're they're not
paying a lot of their perimeter skill people. You got
room to pay Lamar Jackson. One more Herd. The Herd
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on demand whenever you like. Leroy Butler twelve years with
a Packers profile, Ball Hall of Famer. He's a favorite
on this show because he's really got a sense of
what people are talking about Packer fans, so I love
to bring him on a half dozen times a year.
He's also got a vodka number one vodka in the
Wisconsin Leap Vodka Leap into Lambeau. That's amazing, So good
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for you. Okay, I want to start with this. On
your afternoon radio show yesterday it's announced I want to
be a jet. What is the reaction by the average
fan to Aaron moving on? What are they saying? Colin?
This is what they're sent in the barbershop as well,
because you know what, that's where you get defects and
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there's no filter out of everything that Aaron said. The
one thing they picked up on was nine retirement tempac jets.
What percentage is packers? Right? What you were here for
eighteen years, longer than anybody and you went into the
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darkness was zero point zero percent packers. I applaud the
packers for standing up saying they want to make a change.
So people are just tired of it. But that's what
they picked up on, was that percentage. Yeah, the thing
that bothered me, as he said, he was surprised when
he came out of the darkness retreat that green Bay
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had said Hey, we're moving on. And I said, if
I strung somebody along Fox Sports for eight nine weeks
on my plans, and then I said, I'm gonna go
in a retreat and I'll come back and maybe give
you an answer. I wouldn't be shocked if I came
out of the retreat and Fox said hit the road
bow like. It's almost like nobody in Aaron's personal life
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is an honesty meter, like I mean to me. Aaron
acted like he was surprised they moved off him. Were
you surprised? Not at all, matter of fact, Colin, I
was wondering when the team was gonna push back a
little bit. But you got to understand they paid Aaron
the three year, one hundred and fifty guarantee so you
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don't have to go through this. So you're sitting there waiting,
and then he went to play golf in congratulations. He
actually won the pro am and he's having fun with
fans want me to go to the Raiders not mentioned
in the Packers. Sooner or later, the fans are like,
we need to hear from Guda Cunts, which Guda Kunts said,
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everything is on the table. Then the fans are like, no,
we need to hear from Murphy. Then they heard from
Murphy the president. Now the next thing they're waiting for
it Colin. They're waiting for Matt la Florida step up
to a podium, iPhone or wherever, and said, Jordan's Love
is my starting quarterback for twenty twenty three. At that point,
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we don't care what Aaron does. He go to the
Jets or come back, but Jordan Love is the starter.
So it's being held up. Aaron Rogers said yesterday on
YouTube that it's being held up by the packers. They're
digging their feed in. So I'm sure, and I'm not
taking him. I'm not in any way insinuating he's lying. Okay,
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So the Packers, according to Aaron, are digging their feed in.
I'm gonna take him at his word. So that probably
means compensation. So I think it's very fair Leroy to
ask for a first round pick this year. Aaron's a
great player and he's gonna come on. He's not gonna
be injured as much, so he'd probably play it very well.
I would ask for if Aaron plays a second year,
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I would ask for another really good pick. Doesn't have
to be a first, but it has to be a
really good pick. Is that in your opinion? Is it
fair to ask for a first this year and then
compensation one more pick if Aaron plays a second. Do
you think it's as simple as that? Absolutely? Absolutely. When
you find a team this desperate to get the owners
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to fly three thousand mile but the riast people go ever,
they want I get that the goal and convince him,
and he still doesn't give you an answer. And he's
done this to the Packers a couple of years, Okay,
and they says, history repeats itself. Of course I'm gonna ask.
I'm gonna ask for the moon because you're so desperate.
But Colin, I have a suggested they can flip flop picks.
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The Packers will win the thirteenth, the Jets will get fifteen,
but I must have Elijah more or Dens their minims.
And I want to tight end CJ as well, ask
for players nd picks because that this end of the day,
you gotta pay him sick to millions. Anyway, it's on
the books. I'm glad they're digging the hills in. Somebody
had in that building had to do some pushback. So
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I think for the most part, it's about join love.
Any way you can help him out of this trade
will help the team. Yeah, if you could give me
Elijah More on the tight end and I just get
those are two starters, those guys are both, that'd be
great that I don't need draft picks. Let me ask
you this, we don't get footage of Jordan's love. How
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if I said to you, I don't. Here's my theory, Leroy,
that he's not mahomes borrow Josh Allen. If he was,
they wouldn't right, They wouldn't. They wouldn't have signed Aaron
to an extension if they thought he was that. But
he's not Zach Wilson, or they wouldn't be moving off Aaron.
So he's somewhere, you know, somewhere C plus to a minus.
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With how much certainty do you believe with your sources
that he is going to be at least a Kirk
Cousins level guy, great question, call it. Look at the system.
The system is Sean McVeigh with Jared Golf, super Bowl,
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Kyle Shanahan, Brock Purty and anybody else that wants to
be a quarterback super Bowl. He can be that he
could be Daniel Jones, he could be Taylor Heineke. I mean,
I'm naming all the quarterbacks that beat the Packers, by
the way, any old guys to run the system now,
Matt la Floor can sleep at night calling with no anxiety.
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He can run his stuff without somebody changing it. So
I think, not only will you be a good because
he got two running backs and a good offensive line.
David Bottieri restructing him, he'll be back. Yeah, ed loved
will be better than people think. Finally, so when you
go on your calls today for a radio audience, Leroy
Butler sitting in a nice Packer room, he's a Hall
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of famer. When you go on today, or at least
fifty percent of your callers, glad he's leaving. What's what's
the what's the divide line? What's the percentages on? I'm
done with Aaron And I think we're making a big
mistake on your show because you're talking to real Packer
fans and they don't have a filter. They're gonna tell you, Leroy,
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they like you. They're gonna tell exactly how they feel
most anonymously. We don't know who's calling shows, what personage
your see later pale and what personage are Oh, we're
making a big mistake. I think two things can be true.
You can love Aaron Rodgers because you could be sick
and tired. You could be either sick or tired or
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something and you're fine with it. But if you're both,
you're done with it. I actually live here as well,
so it's a different community. When you go places, people
come up to you ask. I would say eighty percent
of the people that I see, and I'm in a
community more than anybody, any Hall of Famer locally, they're done.
They're ready to see number ten. His jersey sales are
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going up. I mean they want to see Jordan love
because really, the thing about it real quick calling, it's
the ninety percent. I'm retired, the tempacent, I'm going to
the Jets. And then when he said I intend to
play for the Jets, they're out. We're done. We're done
with it. By his vodkat leap vodka, I've never had it.
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You can send a bottle to me. Why don't you
send a ball to me. I'll I'll partake in your
business venture. I'm gonna hook you up. You know you're
my guy. I got you. I know you already sent
me an autograph Jersey, so good seeing you a man,
and you didn't say it yet, so that's good.
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live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. J Mac joining me as
though as he loves the next three or four days
because it's March Madness. He's at college basketball die hard.
So I'm gonna do what I know Jason's gonna do.
Go home after this show, crack open a beer and
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sit and watch college hoops for about the eight hours.
That would be the plan, but I got a bunch
of buddies who are like, we gotta watch this at
a bar. I'm like, can you find a bar where
I can bring my dog? That need has been met.
So a lot of consuming NCAA tournament and Aaron Rodgers
questions in the next forty year old. So let's start
with that. I don't necessarily agree with all his political stances.
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But there's a Canadian psychologist named Jordan Peterson, and he
has a belief, and I tend to believe this too,
is that you can't totally be an adult, a grown
up until you love somebody more than yourself. And this
psychologist believes and I do too, that to really be
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a grown up. It's not the only way to be
an adult, but it's certainly impactful in your development as
a human being. You're married, you have kids, anybody who's
had kids. The minute you have a kid, you find
out that your love for that child is so much
greater than the narcissism and love for yourself. So, again,
Jordan Peterson, I may not agree with him on some
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climate opinions, but I will say that I agree there
that you have to love somebody greater and yourself. That
is one of the first signs. Young people tend to
be selfish and self absorbed, and many adults are. But
that gets you to the next level. So let me
pivot into Aaron Rodgers appearance yesterday on YouTube. His words,
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he went into the retreat his words, not mine, ninety
percent sure he was going to retire, He said, I
got to admit I went into the darkness ninety percent retiring,
ten percent playing okay his words. He was also surprised,
his words that when he came out, Green Bay had decided,
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you know, we we're gonna go with Jordan Loves let's
make a trade happen for you. And he was surprised
by that, his words. How could you be surprised by that?
If you're the most important person in your world. If
you were married, let's say, I think maybe your wife
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would say, the season ended eight weeks ago. They've made
you rich, They've made us rich, They've given us a
great life. You probably should give him a heads up.
If you had kids, maybe your son says, Dad, I
love the Packers. You're not going to leave the packers.
Maybe you'd feel some guilt give him an answer either way.
But if you're the most important person in your life,
you just run on your clock and you are mister
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independent and I'll do what I want on my time.
And Aaron thinks he's the smartest adult, and I'm questioning
this morning if he's an adult, If you're the most
important person in your life, and you don't sacrifice, then
you are surprised when you come out of a retreat
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that you went into at ninety percent retiring, and your surprise,
green Bay said, we want to move on. Now I
am I am now not his words, but I am
guessing that he had to give green Bay a heads
up that he was strongly considering retirement. I mean, he's
a jerk if he didn't. If I was to leave
Fox for retirement and didn't give him heads up, I'm
a jerk. So I'm gonna say Aaron's not a jerk.
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If you're gonna leave your wife suddenly in the middle
of the night, you're a schmuck. So I would assume
she has a head's up if you're gonna leave. I'm
going to assume Aaron's not a jerk, and that green
Bay had some sense of his impending decision would lean
heavily into retirement. I'll assume he's a decent human being,
but he's surprised. Let me ask you if if I
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told one of my bosses radio TV or my wife, listen,
I'm ninety percent into leaving you. I'm going to go
in a retreat for four or five days by myself.
When I come back, I'll be closer to a decision.
You think I'd be surprised if my wife Ann said, hey, pal,
hit the road, or if my bosses upstairs said, you know,
we found another guy we really like him, or another
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woman they're going to host the show. The only surprise
is Aaron is surprised. That's how self centered and deluded
he apparently, is that he can't believe that people he's
been stringing along, who he was threatening retirement to, would
move on as mister will do things on my clock.
Totally dictated terms last several years. Here's another one and again,
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when you're the most important person in your life, you
demand things from others because nobody calls you on your bs.
His quote here yesterday, his words again, my only demand
is for transparency, yet he never provides any. Two separate
Green Bay packers on offense have told me since the
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Super Bowl they have no idea what he's doing. What
about transparency? Again, when you're the most important person in
your life and maybe haven't become a true adult yet,
you demand things from others that you don't provide for them.
His teammates are guessing, the packers are guessing, the fans
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are guessing. But he wants transparency. That's the one thing.
Not my words. His He was ninety percent retiring, not
my words. He was surprised when they booted him when
he came out, not my words, his mirror arand or
in the bathroom staring at It's very perceptive with those
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lasers and that wit and that acumen, pointing fingers. Listen
to yourself. Ninety percent retirement going in and surprised when
Green Bay said, hit the road, champ, We're exhausted. Would
any of you be surprised if your bosses, your wife,
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people tired of you stringing along year after year. That's surprising.
I don't have to agree with Jordan Peterson on anything
other than once you become something beyond yourself, then you're
officially an adult. Anthony Davis is an adult for the Lakers,
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but he's an adult that, even when he's paying free,
doesn't play basketball. So Richard Jefferson called out the Lakers yesterday.
The Lakers lost to the worst team arguably in the league,
the Houston Rockets. Houston Rockets are young, they're awful, They're
actively tanking, and yet despite being one of the worst
teams in the league, they scored seventy eight points in
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the paint and they had sixty two points at half
against the Lakers. They dominated the inside. Why because Anthony
Davis couldn't play load management even though he was pain free,
and Richard Jefferson called out the Lakers in a D
When a coach says that a player is pain free,
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but we're still going to keep him out again if
your media managing, if you're telling me that he's not
having pain, if he has some soreness on the off day,
if there's you know, and again there's still probably some reaction.
If you're talking about the stress reaction. It's a stress reaction.
So they're like, we're not going to overloaded. I get it,
but it's like, if you have pain, if you are
paying free, then I just get confused. And I'm not
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a doctor, so I'm not being critical here. I just
hear it, and I'm like, I just don't understand what's
the old saying. People will show you who they are.
Just believe them. So it's okay to be as a
Laker fan frustrated with a D. It's not necessarily his decision.
It is a upstairs executive management decision. So what the
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Lakers are telling you is going forward, this is how
we deal with a D. And if the Lakers are
going to run this back, they deserve to be a
non playoff team. Lebron year twenty one and load management AD.
That's what the Lakers are telling us, They're telling the fans,
they're telling the media. This is how heads up, this
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is how AD is going to be used going forward.
So I looked this morning. The last five years, this
is the new reality for a D. He plays forty
eight games a year, and they've now pivoted to he
will sit out games when he's pain free. Okay, So
Lebron now going into year twenty one next year, where
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he's given US fifty games a year, a D now
given us forty seven games a year and a D
and the Lakers have now pivoted two. He's also going
to sit out pain free nights. If you run this back,
you deserve not making the playoffs. By the way, I'm
not blaming a D. It's his body, although he should
take better care of it. He came in out of
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shape three years ago. So some of This is on
a d he you know, they joke about his dad
body all the time within the organization. He's not a grinder.
He's not a guy that lives in the weight room.
Your body treats you how you treat your body. It's
why you can see fifty year old people that are
fallen apart physically and sixty year old people, seventy year
old people who are in great shape. Your body will
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treat you like you treat your body. And Ad didn't
treat his body that great. So some of this is
on him. But he's not thirty seven, thirty eight years old.
He's thirty. He just turned thirty. So the Lakers, for
a player that just turned thirty, have now pivoted two.
There's nights we're not going to play him when he's
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pain free. Okay, people tell you who they are. Believe him.
You can be mad as a Laker fan. What you
should be mad about is if they run this nonsense back.
Don't be mad about this. This is to help the player.
You know, they sat him against a bad Okac team.
Didn't hurt him. They sat him against an awful Rockets team.
It did hurt him. Seventy eight points in the paint.
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You ain't getting now with a d if ads on
the floor, You're not going seventy eight points in the paint.
So again, you can be mad about last night, but
be really mad if they run it back and tell
you it's got a chance to be a championship team.
No it doesn't, No, it does not. Be sure to
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catch live editions of The Herd week dayson Newneaster, not
a Empacific, on Fox Sports Radio FS one, and the
iHeartRadio app. So for years, the New England Patriots were
viewed as the smartest team in the NFL on the field,
off the field, during the season, off season, they were
just smarter than everybody else. We never viewed them as
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the most talented team. Those Randy Moss teams actually never
won a Super Bowl. Those were arguably the most talented teams,
I thought. But they were always smart, the way they
worked the cap, the way they didn't have the draft
guys in the first or second round, but always had
great offensive lines. Maybe now the Kansas City Chiefs have
become that. So I've been banging on the Patriots for
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three years that they're tone deaf offensively, they have no
sensibility they don't get it. That was obviously clear last
year when they made a defensive coordinator. The offensive coordinator,
Bill Belichick is all defense all the time, has no
feel at all for offense. So Juju Smith Schuster. The
Pittsburgh Steelers a stable organization that has always been willing
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Mike Tomlin to deal with some drama, a b big
band for years, Lavan Bell. They bailed on Juju the
TikTok king. They bailed on him too silly, too immature.
The chiefs smartly said, well, you're talented. We'll bring in
for a one year deal. We won't pay it, but
we'll give you a incentive laden contract like seven and
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a half million was just incentives. Two and a half
million was actual salary. Didn't pay him anything. What did
he do? He was productive, He played with urgency, He
was very good. So did the chiefs resign him? Hell no,
let him walk. The Patriot stepped in to give him
a three year deal. Silly brand, loyal, TikTok obsessed Juju
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Smith Schuster. This is the kind of deal the Patriot
fans would have laughed at years ago. Other teams being
the sucker. It was New England that would use a
distracted player with talent for a year, get the most
out of him. Always move off guys right before they
were a pain in the butt. The Chiefs used Juju.
Pay him nothing, all bonuses. He hits on a lot
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of them. Then say see a great We're gonna go
draft guys that are really into football. And the suckers
come roaring down the street New England, totally out of
touch offensively and give distracted Juju Smith Schuster. He can't separate.
He's a number three receiver, that's what he is. By
the way, simultaneously letting go of their own player, undrafted
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Jacoby Myers. So last year, look at the numbers Juju
Smith Schuster. That's with Andy Reid, a real offensive coordinator,
and Patrick Mahomes put up numbers that were identical to
Jacoby Myers. And they bailed on Jacoby Myers, who did
nothing but work hard, totally focused, not into TikTok, not
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into his brand, just into being a great NFL player.
They bailed on that and signed the constantly, perpetually habitually
distracted Juju Smith Schuster. Patriots, you laughed at teams that
did that years ago. You laughed at him you rolled
your eyes. Suckers is what they were. When you look
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around the poker table and you can't find the mark,
You're the mark. New England's now the mark at the
poker table Kansas City, as the culture has changed totally
in tune. They can bring rookies in guys off the street.
This year they won a Super Bowl with three receivers
who were cast offs from other teams and a rookie
sky More I mean New England has. They are completely
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utterly out of touch on offense, even with their own personnel.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter ninety Empacific. So yesterday Jay McK and
I tried to predict what the over unders we're going
to be now the Jets have Aaron Rodgers though not official,
and the Packers have moved off Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love.
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Our numbers were pretty darn close. The over under on
the Jets with Aaron Rodgers would now be over ten.
I would bet the under on that. I think the
Jets will be an eighter and nine win team with
Aaron Rodgers, especially if the Packers keep dragging this thing out. Also,
the Packers over under is to me way too low
at seven and a half. So remember schedules and the
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quarterbacks you face can determine a lot. So Green Bay
gets lucky and faces the NFC South as one of
their combatants next year. That means three bad quarterbacks and
Derek Carr with a lousy defensive head coach, lousy Dennis
Allen to this point in his career. So here's the
quarterbacks that Jordan Love would face. Justin Fields two times,
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Desmond Ritter, Daniel Jones, Baker Mayfield or Kyle Trask, whoever
Carol Line of drafts, Kenny pick at Jimmy Garoppolo. That's
eight right there. Not only that, Russell Wilson certainly beatable
Kirk Cousins Jared Goff four times combined. Now let's just
put down Mahomes as a loss and Stafford if he's available,
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as a loss, and Justin Herbert it is the Chargers.
But that's a loss. You could be fourteen and thirteen.
I don't think you're gonna win all those games, but
seven and a half is low. This idea Green Bay
is gonna capsize. Remember they're probably getting the Jets first
round pick with Aaron Rodgers. There's a story today green
Bay at moving until they get a first round pick,
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not multiple, but one, and I think that's incredibly fair.
That would give them two first round picks in the
middle of the first round. Yet, well, green Bay doesn't
whiff on first round picks. They draft and develop top
five in the NFL. Two first round picks for green Bay,
those are two starters very quickly. So it's also much
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easier to navigate the NFC. And I'll give you an
example of what the NFC is now. I'm not saying
Jordan Love is forty five year old Tom Brady, but
last year, at forty five, forty six years old, Brady
with the worst run game in the league a defensive
head coach, had multiple wins with a single touchdown pass
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In fact, Brady won five games last year. This is
with no run game with a passer rating under ninety.
So if Jordan Love is an eighty seven eighty eight
passer rating guy with a much better run game than
Brady had and a much easier schedule, potentially he can't
win eight games. Hell, they only won eight games with
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Aaron Rodgers last year. So this idea, there's this massive
pressure to replace Aaron Rodgers. Aaron didn't make the playoffs.
Aaron's been a postseason disappointment last three or four years,
last three years. So it's not like you're you know,
you're not replacing mahone or you know somebody Joe Burrow
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that leaves awake. You're replacing the guy the city was
tired of the team's moving on from with a schedule
with eight average quarterbacks. You know, Jimmy Garoppolo is better
than average, but not a Ton Desmond Ritter, Justin Fields,
Daniel Jones, Kyle Trash, Baker Mayfield a rookie, and Carolina
Kenny Pickett. I don't know, so I think the Jets
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at ten fields a little high for me. I would
bet the under on that they may hit ten. But
I think it's it feels like an under seven and
a half for green Bay. Does it not feel a
little low? I just looked at twenty twenty two and
what did the Packers do last year? They had losses too?
Are you ready for this? Taylor Heineke, Daniel Jones over
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in London and they lost at home to whoever the
Jets had at quarterback. I believe it was Zach Wilson.
So they're gonna be going down in quarterback from Aaron
Rodgers to Jordan Love. The defense last year was a catastrophe. Okay,
we know they they were highly ready to going into
the season. They had some injuries, JayR Alexander played poorly.
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So I don't think you could automatically say like, this
is a team that could win nine games, okay, but
at eight they wouldn't make the playoffs? Is it? Don't
you think it's a pretty good bet with the stability
they have Jordan Love now year four with two first
round starters, probably at least one a tight end or
a receiver. Remember you say, well Green Bay wasn't good
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last year. No, they were really good late. They weren't
good early because Aaron didn't go to off off site
or off season CONSI they were a terrible team early.
They were a very good team late. They were dangerous, right, yeah,
very late. They beat Justin Fields at Soldier, they beat
Baker Mayfield. Teams are gonna play this year at home.
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They played, they beat two in Miami and then they
beat Kirk Cousins well again, so that's who they're playing
next year. It's not like it's different. I'm just saying,
do you think Kirk Cousins is gonna go eleven and
oh and one score games? There'll be some regression from
Kirk Cousins, some some, but we I think we admit
Lions are gonna be a problem. And it looks like
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the Lions did they sweet. Yeah, the Lions swept the
Packers last year. So the big question is do you
think they're gonna do that back to back years. Listen,
I'm telling you right now I like the Lions to
win that division next year. And by the way, by
the way, the Bears are spending like drunken sailors right
now in free agency. They are not going to be
the worst team in the league next year. They're gonna
be a six or seven win team, and they're gonna
be a problem fighting back. They got a lot more
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talent already, Colin a lot of linebackers. Signed a bunch
of linebackers. What's that receiver's name, Oh, dj Moore, that's right.
We'll see if they can get the ball to him.
Justin Are you doubting Justin Field? Well, I'm sixty forty,
I'm not eighty twenty. I'm sixty forty. He can play
in this league as a starter. I'm not sixty forty
he's going to be a star. That to me is
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really low. Sixty forty he's a franchise quarter. I'll just
remind I know you know this. But when Jalen Hurts
added aj Brown, he went from like we don't know him,
maybe he's a starter to potential MVP two. Added Tyree
Hill in mid season two, it was on track to
be like an MVP Kennedy. You get these great receivers.
DJ Moore's not grad, he's very good, and there's a
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chance Fields makes a big jump. I believe it's very possible.
I do. And those are good examples that when you
gave two and Hurts a star receiver, things change. And
you even said, Josh Allen, I think he got Stephan
Diggs right when they stole him from Minnesota, and all
of a sudden, Josh Allen's numbers go through the roof.
So I'm none of this. I'm denying. I'm just what
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I'm saying is seven and a half wins. What you're
making it sound like is Green Bay in the NFC
is gonna be a non Factor's bad in a seven
team game schedule. You bet the under they're gonna go
seven and ten in the NFC. That's a bad football team.
That's a bad A seven and ten team in the
NFC is not a seven and ten team in the AFC.
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Oh And you're taking away your great blocking receiver in
Alan Zart. He's out the door. He's in the New
York Football Jets uniform. Now. I love how we go back,
but I think I'm just I tend to believe that
well run. You know, my rule has always been higher
smart people, they'll figure it out. Green Bay has got
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a lot of smart people in that organization, Scouts, regional scouts,
Guden Kunts, Mark Murphy, these are smart guys. They'll figure
some stuff out. What they're making a bet on from
all the video they've seen, the practices. Jordan Love can play.
I trust smart guy is saying we think he can play.
That's what they said years ago with Aaron Rodgers who
went to junior college and cow They're like, this guy
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can play. Hey, I'm Doug Got. The podcast is called
All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all the time,
but it's more about the stories about what made these
people love their sport. And all the interesting interactions along
the way. We talked to coaches, we talked to players,
we tell you stories. You download it. He listened to it.
(23:02):
I think you'll like it. Listen to All Ball with
Doug glib on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or ever
you get your podcast today. The window opens today for
the Ravens Lamar Jackson to contact other teams. So basically,
what the Baltimore Ravens, a well run organization, are saying
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is we don't think there's a big market for Lamar Jackson.
We think we're offering him an often injured player who's
very dynamic, a fair contracts. So they offered him something
called a non exclusive franchise tag. What is that. It's
thirty two million bucks. You can go to the market
if you get a better offer, we have a right
in five days to match it. But we don't. We're
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gonna give you this offer because this is why the
Chiefs signed Mahomes early. They didn't want him to go
to market because they knew they'd be If you have
a great quarterback who plays every Sunday and as wildly productive,
you don't want him to go to the market, right,
You don't want anybody else to have an You never
want him to go to the market. The Ravens are
offering Lamar Jackson to the market. They're saying, all right,
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get a better offer. He's got three things working against him.
His mom's his agent. It's not impossible, but it's unorthodox
for a superstar American athlete. You call his mom, you
call him. It's weird, and some teams don't want to
deal with that. The second thing is he's got a
lot of injuries at the end of the last two years.
That's a problem. And number three is he's become kind
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of a noisy player. Is he mad as he's sulking?
Nobody really knows. There's a lot of question marks around him.
People don't like that. That's why Aaron Rodgers doesn't have
a big market. As he committed, is he going to play?
There's a bunch of question marks. So the Ravens are saying,
go to the market. I will say this, Atlanta makes
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so much sense to me. So the NFC South is
as bad as it's ever been. It's the weakest division
easily in football. It's not going to be weak forever.
So when something a week in any business that is
infrequently weak. Seize the moment. If in any industry, if
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you're like there's a weakness in the industry, that's the
moment you capitalize, get aggressive. So he's a merchandise and
a newsmaking superstar quarterback in a bad division. He would
be arguably the best quarterback in the entire conference that
he signs. He's always been looking up more accurate than
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anybody wants to admit. When anybody compares justin Fields and Lamar,
I'm always like time out, time out, time out, time out.
Lamar Jackson is an accurate thrower of the football. I'm
not saying he's Mahomes in Borough. I'm not saying he's
Brady and Jalen Hurts last year. I'm not saying that.
But he's an accurate distributor of the football, more than
accurate enough. So Atlanta started accumulating tight ends about a
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week ago, and my takeaway was, that's interesting. They also
Atlanta has an advantage. They have an offensive coach. So
remember when Cam new and went to Belichick defensive coach.
They didn't know how to hell to use him. They
Belichick didn't know how to use him. A lot of
these defensive coaches. They just have no offensive sensibility. They
don't know how to use him. If you got an
offensive coach, you're gonna have a better opportunity to figure
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out how to use Lamar, who's a very unique player.
He is a great player. Mom being an agent doesn't help.
Injuries don't help. He's got noisy, a lot of mystery.
That didn't help. But if I was Baltimore, I would
try to sign him. And if I was Atlanta, I
would run to sign him. Bad division offensive coach, they've
already got really good tight ends on a star young receiver.
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And they're not paying a lot of skill players. They're
paying some people on the defensive line and a couple
of people on the offensive line, but they're they're not
paying a lot of their perimeter skill people. You got
room to pay Lamar Jackson. One more Herd. The Herd
streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a week
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on demand whenever you like. Leroy Butler twelve years with
a Packers profile, Ball Hall of Famer. He's a favorite
on this show because he's really got a sense of
what people are talking about Packer fans, so I love
to bring him on a half dozen times a year.
He's also got a vodka number one vodka in the
Wisconsin Leap Vodka Leap into Lambeau. That's amazing, So good
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for you. Okay, I want to start with this. On
your afternoon radio show yesterday it's announced I want to
be a jet. What is the reaction by the average
fan to Aaron moving on? What are they saying? Colin?
This is what they're sent in the barbershop as well,
because you know what, that's where you get defects and
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there's no filter out of everything that Aaron said. The
one thing they picked up on was nine retirement tempac jets.
What percentage is packers? Right? What you were here for
eighteen years, longer than anybody and you went into the
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darkness was zero point zero percent packers. I applaud the
packers for standing up saying they want to make a change.
So people are just tired of it. But that's what
they picked up on, was that percentage. Yeah, the thing
that bothered me, as he said, he was surprised when
he came out of the darkness retreat that green Bay
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had said Hey, we're moving on. And I said, if
I strung somebody along Fox Sports for eight nine weeks
on my plans, and then I said, I'm gonna go
in a retreat and I'll come back and maybe give
you an answer. I wouldn't be shocked if I came
out of the retreat and Fox said hit the road
bow like. It's almost like nobody in Aaron's personal life
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is an honesty meter, like I mean to me. Aaron
acted like he was surprised they moved off him. Were
you surprised? Not at all, matter of fact, Colin, I
was wondering when the team was gonna push back a
little bit. But you got to understand they paid Aaron
the three year, one hundred and fifty guarantee so you
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don't have to go through this. So you're sitting there waiting,
and then he went to play golf in congratulations. He
actually won the pro am and he's having fun with
fans want me to go to the Raiders not mentioned
in the Packers. Sooner or later, the fans are like,
we need to hear from Guda Cunts, which Guda Kunts said,
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everything is on the table. Then the fans are like, no,
we need to hear from Murphy. Then they heard from
Murphy the president. Now the next thing they're waiting for
it Colin. They're waiting for Matt la Florida step up
to a podium, iPhone or wherever, and said, Jordan's Love
is my starting quarterback for twenty twenty three. At that point,
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we don't care what Aaron does. He go to the
Jets or come back, but Jordan Love is the starter.
So it's being held up. Aaron Rogers said yesterday on
YouTube that it's being held up by the packers. They're
digging their feed in. So I'm sure, and I'm not
taking him. I'm not in any way insinuating he's lying. Okay,
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So the Packers, according to Aaron, are digging their feed in.
I'm gonna take him at his word. So that probably
means compensation. So I think it's very fair Leroy to
ask for a first round pick this year. Aaron's a
great player and he's gonna come on. He's not gonna
be injured as much, so he'd probably play it very well.
I would ask for if Aaron plays a second year,
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I would ask for another really good pick. Doesn't have
to be a first, but it has to be a
really good pick. Is that in your opinion? Is it
fair to ask for a first this year and then
compensation one more pick if Aaron plays a second. Do
you think it's as simple as that? Absolutely? Absolutely. When
you find a team this desperate to get the owners
(30:57):
to fly three thousand mile but the riast people go ever,
they want I get that the goal and convince him,
and he still doesn't give you an answer. And he's
done this to the Packers a couple of years, Okay,
and they says, history repeats itself. Of course I'm gonna ask.
I'm gonna ask for the moon because you're so desperate.
But Colin, I have a suggested they can flip flop picks.
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The Packers will win the thirteenth, the Jets will get fifteen,
but I must have Elijah more or Dens their minims.
And I want to tight end CJ as well, ask
for players nd picks because that this end of the day,
you gotta pay him sick to millions. Anyway, it's on
the books. I'm glad they're digging the hills in. Somebody
had in that building had to do some pushback. So
(31:44):
I think for the most part, it's about join love.
Any way you can help him out of this trade
will help the team. Yeah, if you could give me
Elijah More on the tight end and I just get
those are two starters, those guys are both, that'd be
great that I don't need draft picks. Let me ask
you this, we don't get footage of Jordan's love. How
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if I said to you, I don't. Here's my theory, Leroy,
that he's not mahomes borrow Josh Allen. If he was,
they wouldn't right, They wouldn't. They wouldn't have signed Aaron
to an extension if they thought he was that. But
he's not Zach Wilson, or they wouldn't be moving off Aaron.
So he's somewhere, you know, somewhere C plus to a minus.
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With how much certainty do you believe with your sources
that he is going to be at least a Kirk
Cousins level guy, great question, call it. Look at the system.
The system is Sean McVeigh with Jared Golf, super Bowl,
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Kyle Shanahan, Brock Purty and anybody else that wants to
be a quarterback super Bowl. He can be that he
could be Daniel Jones, he could be Taylor Heineke. I mean,
I'm naming all the quarterbacks that beat the Packers, by
the way, any old guys to run the system now,
Matt la Floor can sleep at night calling with no anxiety.
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He can run his stuff without somebody changing it. So
I think, not only will you be a good because
he got two running backs and a good offensive line.
David Bottieri restructing him, he'll be back. Yeah, ed loved
will be better than people think. Finally, so when you
go on your calls today for a radio audience, Leroy
Butler sitting in a nice Packer room, he's a Hall
(33:36):
of famer. When you go on today, or at least
fifty percent of your callers, glad he's leaving. What's what's
the what's the divide line? What's the percentages on? I'm
done with Aaron And I think we're making a big
mistake on your show because you're talking to real Packer
fans and they don't have a filter. They're gonna tell you, Leroy,
(33:56):
they like you. They're gonna tell exactly how they feel
most anonymously. We don't know who's calling shows, what personage
your see later pale and what personage are Oh, we're
making a big mistake. I think two things can be true.
You can love Aaron Rodgers because you could be sick
and tired. You could be either sick or tired or
(34:17):
something and you're fine with it. But if you're both,
you're done with it. I actually live here as well,
so it's a different community. When you go places, people
come up to you ask. I would say eighty percent
of the people that I see, and I'm in a
community more than anybody, any Hall of Famer locally, they're done.
They're ready to see number ten. His jersey sales are
(34:40):
going up. I mean they want to see Jordan love
because really, the thing about it real quick calling, it's
the ninety percent. I'm retired, the tempacent, I'm going to
the Jets. And then when he said I intend to
play for the Jets, they're out. We're done. We're done
with it. By his vodkat leap vodka, I've never had it.
(35:01):
You can send a bottle to me. Why don't you
send a ball to me. I'll I'll partake in your
business venture. I'm gonna hook you up. You know you're
my guy. I got you. I know you already sent
me an autograph Jersey, so good seeing you a man,
and you didn't say it yet, so that's good.
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