January 14, 2020 • 39 mins
Joe Burrow is why we love football and Colin explains why. He thinks losing to LSU is actually a good thing for Trevor Lawrence. With new information about Josh McDaniels and the success of young QBs he explains why Tom Brady's best option is a return to New England. He picks which NFL QBs he'd still rather have for the next ten years instead of Joe Burrow. 49ers DT DeForest Buckner talks with Colin about their rematch with the Packers and how they can try and duplicate their success. Plus, 3x National Champion Head Coach Urban Meyer talks with Colin about the job Ed Orgeron did at LSU and if this LSU team is one of the greatest of all time.
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This is the Herd wherever you may be and however
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Joel Flatt this hour, Urban Meyer stops by, a member
of the Dallas Cowboys. The Forrest Buttner of the San
Francisco forty nine Ers stops by. What a performance by
Joe Burrow. One hour from now, we're gonna play a
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game called Joe Burrow versus not Joe her This is
the volcano. But would you take Joe Burrow over a
list of NFL quarterbacks? After what we saw last night?
Taylor is joining me. How are you? I am wonderful.
That was a great game last night. It was enjoyed
every second of it. I thought it was gonna be
a little bit closer, but yeah, I am. I'm glad.
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I was worried about Joe burrow performance and LSU was
fantastic six hundred twenty eight total yards against a very
great Clemson team who was favored to be back in
this game next year. It should be noted the O. B. J.
Jarvis Landry LSU team lost three times and finished in
the Outback Bowl. This is what happens when you get
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the quarterback right. They sent it all together. LSU has
been a football factory for as long as I've been
watching football, but they've never had a team like this
because they've never had a quarterback like this. And the
San Francisco forty nine ers have had a lot of
good players in the last three or four years and
a great coach, but they're four and twenty without Garoppolo.
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Aaron Rodgers got hurt a few years ago nine games
he missed. They won three this year with a rookie
head coach. I'm still not sure it's a great coach.
They've won fourteen games. Joe Burrow tied it all together.
But I want to talk about a bigger, broader part
of this story and why football continues to be so
much more popular than basketball in America. College football is
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a million times more popular than college basketball, and the
NFL ratings are up on every network this year. In
the NBA's down nineteen percent. And I like basketball, but
one of the reasons football connects with so many Americans
it's us. Joe Burrow was not even considered an NFL
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prospect in September. He will now be picked number one.
It's mid January. Hard work, kick to the curb, transferred
and doubted he's coachable. He worked his ass off, and
he is going to now make millions of dollars. The
Joe Burrow story doesn't happen in other sports that their
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sports don't have half of their players like the NFL
that are undrafted. Look around to football. Baker Mayfield transfer twice,
Kyler Murray told to transfer, Russell Wilson had to transfer,
cam and Aaron Rodgers went to junior colleges. Patrick Mahomes
nobody wanted him, Drew Brees had to go to Perdue,
Joe Burrow had to transfer. It's the story of overcoming
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of being told no pampered, kids are spoiled, kids are
bad adults. Basketball's too much into pampering. Oh the horror
high school to duke for six months. Coach k Bill's
self awful. You know what football says, son, come to
our school minimum three years, probably four at manned up five.
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We wouldn't consider paying you. You'll get hurt, you may
have to ride the bench in transfer, but when you
come out of the tunnel of football, you'll be emotionally
and physically a man and prepared for the millions. You
can make basketball panders and coddles and pampers. Football does not.
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That's why half the league is undrafted. That's why it's us.
It's overcoming ed Orgeron, mocked and kicked to the curb.
Football develops men. I've been in NBA locker rooms, hockey
locker rooms, baseball locker rooms, and football locker rooms. And
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NFL guys after four and five years of getting their
buck kicked in college, they come in hungry, grateful, and men.
They marry earlier, they grow up faster because they have
to overcome This weekend in the NFL playoffs, the highest
drafted quarterback is Ryan Tannehill and the Miami Dolphins. His
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first team bailed on him. He got hurt. You know
we want to get a younger, healthier guy. What did
Ryan Tannehill do? Whine about it? Complain, call his agent. Now,
he packed his bags, grabbed his family and went to
Tennessee and rides the bench and crosses his finger for
another opportunity. And football always gives you one. People get hurt,
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people disappoint and Tannehill will now play the FC Championship.
I love basketball, but I respect football because it asks
so much of you and it develops you. It's not
a race to get you paid, it's a race to
make you a man. Joe Burrow last night a plan
as arsof and I texted an NFLGM. He's a really
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good GM, and I say, what do you make a
Joe Burrow? And you know what the GM told me?
He goes. I didn't know in October, but every time
I watched him he got better. Yeah, he got better
because he had to transfer and he was and he
was told at Ohio State, you're not as good as
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the other guy. And last year he was humbled. Joe
Burrow is not just a football story. He's an American story.
He's relatable. I can't wait to watch him play at
Cincinnati and he may not make it. Maybe it'll look
like Baker, or maybe it'll look like Kyler, or maybe
it'll look like Lamar and Russell Wilson. But it's a
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story I can connect with, hard work, overcoming, kick to
the curve. It's the story of the NFL playoffs this
weekend and the story congrats to LSU and Joe Burrow
of last night. Let me shift to this. It was
also it should be noted, and I know you won't
believe this. It was a great night for Trevor Lawrence.
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It was Trevor Lawrence since he was fifteen years old,
and I saw him at a camp when he was sixteen.
He was so much better than all the other senior
quarterbacks and he was just a junior. Trevor Lawrence has
not been on a football field probably for close to
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ten years and been the second best quarterback in that
moment on the field. He got hit last night, He
got rushed last night, He got humbled last night. He
didn't play very good. Everything was sailing, he was nervous,
he was anxious. LSU can do that to you. Trevor
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Lawrence's life so far, and I'm not saying he has
learned it but it's been a lot of Saturdays when
he's up by thirty two at half. That is not
the NFL. The NFL is about making you uncomfortable. And
because Dabbo is a great coach and Venables a great coordinator,
and it's a football factory, He's thrown to five star
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receivers and handed off to five star running backs, and
he's got four and five star offensive linemen and the
ACC right now doesn't have another program with those kind
of players. Trevor Lawrence's college football career has been a
lot of forty seven point wins until last night, not
a single loss. And the loss was great for him,
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and he was humbled and he was nervous and he
was overwhelmed. I mean, good God, how good are LSU's
defensive backs? Lord, you'll be seeing him on Sunday real soon,
that freshman. Lord. But this is the story of the NFL.
Transferred doubted benched. Trevor Lawrence's career didn't have a last night.
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I mean didn't have one. And I'm watched him last
night and I still think he's He's not going to
drop in the draft. This means nothing to us. Suffered
a rare and serious medical injury. They will be moving up.
They'll be multiple teams moving up and scrambling and giving
away half a dozen picks to get to a who's smaller,
who's had multiple injuries. Trevor Lawrence, losing doesn't hurt his
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stock one iota. Do you remember Andrew lux losses? Nobody cares.
He's a all time transformational talent. But his career until
last night was really about comfort. And last night he
was uncomfortable and he sailed it, and he whistled overheads
and he got whacked. He and he looked like, for
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the first time in a long time, not remotely comfortable
in the pocket. And afterwards I think he knows it
was okay. First of all, Alas, you did a really
good job. They brought a lot of pressure, they did
a good job mixing up the coverages. But just at
the end of the day, I just didn't play well
enough for us to win. You know, too many missed
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plays by me, missed a lot of receivers, and you know,
just just wasn't my name. Man. It sucks, but you
got to look back on what you've done, and we've done.
We've done some great things, and we've got a lot
more in store ahead. Two great quarterbacks, ones headed to
the NFL, one is headed to the NFL in about
a year. Just loved watching both of them play. The good,
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the bad, the ugly. What a fun night. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and Noon
Easter nine a Empacific. Josh McDaniels did not get any
of these jobs, did not even get an interview for
anybody outside of Cleveland. Now, I've got my own personal
opinion on this. I did not think he was a
good fit in Cleveland, and I think when he did
what he did to the Colts, it did not do
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his reputation any good. I think he is laying Kiffen.
You love him or you hate him, And there's a
lot of NFL people that will never touch Josh McDaniels
because what he did to the Colts and Chris Ballard,
and Chris Ballard is close with Andy Reid, and everybody
in this league loves Andy Reid. But it does matter
that he's coming back to New England, as Joyce said,
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because I do think he matters more to Tom Brady
and New England right now than any other team. And
I had said during the year that if Brady hit
the market there would be a lot of suitors. But
one of the things I like about my job is
evolved grow watch stuff. I sit and watch games all weekend,
all day. I get new information. And I've said before,
if I was a pilot and you were on my
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plane and I got new information there's a lightning storm coming,
I would take it and turn right and avoid the
lightning storm. If I was a doctor and had your
son or daughter on the table and had new medicine
that could help them, I would use it. And in sports,
I don't stick to opinions if I get new information.
I thought Brady had a bad December. I thought he
looked tired. He is forty three at best, marginally athletic,
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and now expensive and kind of stuck in his ways.
I watched Joe Burrow, and I watched Tua, and I
watched Justin Herbert, who was very good in the Rose Bowl.
And I see Trevor Lawrence, and I watched Justin Fields,
and I think to myself, is there really a market
for Tom Brady. I don't know. You know, I've said
this before about Russell Westbrook. The league is trending away
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from Russell Westbrook, who's having his worst statistic season in
a decade. It is a shooters league, and he does
a lot well, but he doesn't shoot. The league is
trending away from Tom Brady. Old, expensive and not capable
of great mobility as offensive lines fail. That's not where
the league is going. So ask yourself, what is the market.
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We've got three new bad teams who will solve their
quarterback issue. Since he's getting Burrow, write it down, Miami's
probably getting Tuah, and then the Chargers or Carolina will
move right up, not back to get Justin Herbert. I
think all three after watching Burrow the last couple of weeks,
I think all three are gonna work in the NFL.
In fact, there's a new trend happening in football, which
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is awesome if you're a pro football fan or a
college fan. There's almost no first round quarterback bus anymore.
Josh Rosen, it hasn't worked. Paxton Lynch was a bust.
Outside of that, the last fifteen like thirteen or like,
you can win games. Second round guys, third round guys,
you can win games. The NFL is adopting more of
the college principles. It is allowing for much greater success
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and a much greater hit rate for quarterbacks. They're not
only working in the NFL. Now, they're working fast, like
they're working fat. Josh Allen's like, oh, he's a playoff quarterback.
Lamar Jackson's gonna be MVP. So they're not just not
just working, they're working quickly. And I'm watching Burrow. He's
gonna work pretty soon, and Trevor Lawrence will work, and
two is gonna work. And Justin Herbert he got better
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than the last two games against Utah Wisconsin. He's gonna work.
And I'd ask you who wants a forty three year
old quarterback? It's expensive, the game's moving away from him,
and you haven't. You have a quarterback deficit. So you say, Jaguars, No, No,
Nick Foles is making twenty two million, You don't have
any space. Warm Well, the Raiders, they got there a car.
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Come on, let's let's move past. Derek Carr's good, he's
gonna stay. He's gonna stay in Oakland. And then I
start looking around and I think to myself, Chicago, No,
they can continue to pretend that Mitch Rubisky is their guy. Also,
remember twenty seven year old Teddy Bridgewaters on the market.
I like Teddy Bridgewater. I would have no problem if
I was a team, you know out there, like the Colts,
I'll get Teddy Bridgewater and then I would draft a
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couple of quarterbacks behind him. I don't think he's a
ten year guy, but he's twenty seven. He's smart, he
learns a playbook, he doesn't make any mistakes. He doesn't
win all the games for you, but he almost never
loses a game for you. But what's the market now
for Brady? The more I think about it, the more
I watch college football, the more I see all these
young quarterbacks working, the more I watch the trends of
the league, I don't think there's a huge market for him.
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And he's getting his center back. I read that story yesterday.
He's getting Josh McDaniels back. You know, they've got some
cap space. It's a fairly young team in certain spots.
It's expensive in others like Stefan Gilmore, and old in others.
But I think it's much easier for New England to
go out and get Amari Cooper than it is for
Tom Brady to go into a new city that was
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a little bit rigid, a little bit expensive, unless you
have a great offic to line like the Colts, that
seems like a good fit for me. I don't think
it works. I mean, I think the Colts is the
one I kind of think works. Offensive line, smart, respected coach,
good GM ready to win now. I don't think Gizelle
is going to say let's move the family to Indianapolis.
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I think she's tolerating Boston, tolerating it. She's a supermodel.
Would rather live in Miami, Los Angeles. I just don't
think there's much of a market. I think I think
it's drying up. I really do. And I think New
England's the place for him. One more Herd. The Herd
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on demand whenever you'd like. When Andrew Luckin was in college,
I was like, sophomore year, I'm like number one pick
Trevor Lawrence. I think he's great. I think he's a
transformational talent, all time talent. I don't look at last
night and worry about anything. Good Lord, folks, people whose
college games all the time. Tom Brady lost a few.
Trevor Lawrence is great. But Joe Burrow somebody that you know.
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None of us thought he was going to be this September.
Most of us didn't think he was going to be
this in October. A few of you did in November,
many of you did in December, and now January, we're like, yeah,
he looks like a number one pick. He got better
and better and better. And he's an older kid, and
he's been around than it's five years. But it's like
he got better, better, better, better, better better. So I
think he's a legitimate number one pick today. But the
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question becomes how much do I like him? So I
like to give my opinions on stuff, and then if
I'm wrong, you can call me out. Never afraid of
being wrong, don't give a rip about it. So I'll
just size up. We're gonna play a game called Joe
Versus over the next ten years. This is over a decade. Now.
Would I rather have Joe Burrow or who? Joy Taylor offers,
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You're ready to go? I'm ready, all right, here we go. Okay,
would you rather have Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson? That's easy.
I'd rather have Lamar Jackson. He is a unique athletic talent.
He also has the Ravens organization behind him, and Joe
Burrow will have the Bengals organization. Mean, Baltimore tends to
draft better players and have better coaches. So I would
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take Lamar Jackson because I think who your coach is,
and who your owner is and who your GM is matters.
Would you rather have Burrow or Baker? I think Burrows
a better prospect. I think he's bigger, I think he's
more athletic. I think he throws a better deep ball.
He doesn't have silly videos with law enforcement. I don't
think there's any question that Burrows a better prospect. If
you ask NFL GMS today about who's a better prospect,
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it's Joe Burrow, Burrow or Big Ben. Okay, it's ten years.
I would take Joe Burrow again. I think Big Ben
is going to come back. There have been stories this
year that he's not sure. I mean a lot of
people are like the injuries worse than you think. So
I think Ben's got about two years left in the league.
Would you rather have Burrow or Tom Brady? That's Joe
Burrow again. I think Burrows actually a better prospect than
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Tom was. And he's also, you know, twenty three instead
of forty three. Tom's got maybe two years left. It's
remarkable he's twenty years younger than him. He's gonna be
playing in the same league as Tom Brady. Would you
rather have Joe Burrow or to Shaun Watson. It's a
tricky question because one is a world class athlete and
one is with Houston, which is hard to get your
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arms around. They keep winning their division, but are they
well run. I'd probably go to Shaun Watson because I
think he has a quality. Burrow's good at a lot
of stuff. What is he great at? Deshaun is a
great playmaking quarterback. Deshaun Would you rather have Joe Burrow
or Patrick Mahomes? Not real tough, Mahomes is the best
quarterback talent over the next ten years. Burrow or Derek Carr.
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Burrow is a bigger quarterback. I think he's a more
athletic quarterback. It's not an easy one because I like
Derek Carr more than anybody else. But I don't think
Gruden's gonna bail on him, and I think I think
Gruden and Mayock have drafted well So Derek's got some
good pieces around him, but I think the Bengals have
some interesting offensive pieces. So I would take slightly Burrow here.
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What about Joe Burrow or Carson Wentz? Not close. Wentz
is bigger, stronger, better arm. I think Wentz is an
all time him talent. He's been beat up. But if
you didn't watch, if you watch Burrow in the last
three or four games of this year, folks, he put
a I'm Joe, I mean, he put a AAF team
on his shoulders and carried them into the playoffs. Went
is a phenomenal quarterback talent. Would you rather have Joe
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Burrow or Dak Prescott. I'll come back to that one.
They come back to that one. Hey, would you rather
have Joe Burrow or Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones I whipped
on him. I watched him in college. I didn't think
he was special, and then I watched him in the NFL,
and I'm like, he's special. He's a really good athlete.
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They're very Actually, they're very similar. I missed on Daniel Jones.
I saw him in college and I did not think
he was spectacular, and I made a big mistake and
I think the Giants are ready. I actually do if
this coach can coach. I think they're ready to pop.
I think they have some good players. I like Daniel Jones,
but I'm gonna go Burrow. There. Would you rather have
Burrow or Aaron Rodgers. Aaron's gonna play for probably six
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to seven more years. Far as arm talent not close.
Aaron's also one of the smartest guys. It's gonna take
Burrow while I mean, let's be honest, he struggled last
year at LSU. It's gonna take him a while to
figure it out the NFL system. So Aaron easily Joe
Burrow or Kirk Cousins, this is an easy one. I'd
take Burrow. I think Burrows a better prospect, you know,
I mean, he's we forget it's about Kirk Cousins. Kirk
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Cousins is six one and a half. You know, he's
not a big guy with not a big arm, and
he's not overly athletic. He's surrounded by a ton of
great players. But Burrows a better prospect. How about Joe
Burrow or his hero Drew Brees Burrow because Breese has
about one or two years left that seems like an
easy one. Would you rather have Joe Burrow or Matt Ryan? Well,
do I think Burrow's ever gonna be a top ten
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quarterback in the league. No, I don't never. No, I
think he's gonna be a good player. I don't think
he's a top ten quarterback. Matt Ryan's top ten quarterback.
So I'd take Matt Ryan top ten quarterback. Is look
at all the great players. Good God, who's moving out?
He's had the best statistical season in college football history,
Baker Mayfiel, You'll won the Heisman. I don't know that.
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Would you eraither have Joe Burrow or Jimmy Garoppolo? I
like Garoppolo. Garoppolo's got Kyle Shanahan and George Kittle. That
may be the best young coach and the best young
tight end I got. So Jimmy's pieces are elevating. Listen,
you're asking me next ten years. I know what I'm
getting from Jimmy. I get Kyle Shanahan, Kyle Shannham and
Matt Ryan the MVP. I mean, we got to be
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honest about this stuff. It's not just your talent who's
elevating it. Yeah, I mean where you go and who's
I mean, you don't think John Peyton has helped Drew Brees.
Kyle Shanahan guarantees Garoppolo as a Pro bowler. I mean
guarantees it for the next ten years. He's gonna have
multiple Pro Bowls. Joe Burrow or your favorite, Russell Wilson,
not close. Russell's the best football player in America. That
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was an easy way for you. Would you rather have
Joe Burrow or Jared Goff? All right, So Joe Burrow,
get Zach Taylor, Jared Goff gets his mentor Sean McVeigh.
And by the way, the Rams have shown an ability
to get free agent Cincinnati hasn't. Rams draft well again,
I get Sean McVay with Jared Goff, you get Zach
Taylor and Joe Burrow. And by the way, a cheap
owner and an organization that is old school, and they're
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drafting and scouting. They don't have a Bengals don't have
a huge scouting department. They tend to be like one
of these teams that never moves around in the draft.
They just if they have six picks, they make six picks.
Rams are playmakers and deal makers during the draft. They're
gonna get better players around him. Would you rather have
Joe Burrow or Kyler Murray? Kyler Murray, Connor Murray's fantastic.
Nobody watched him play this year. Kyler Murray's fantastic. I
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love watching him. I think he's the next Russell Wilson.
He's a baseball player. He's slides you'll never get hurt.
I think Kyler Murray. None of you guys are watching him.
I live right next to Arizona, so I watch Arizona.
I think Kyler Murray is special. I'm gonna go with
Burrow there. Would you rather have Burrow or Tuaa two ohs?
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Drew Brees two is a better he's a better prospect.
He's not do you guys are going crazy on this?
First of all, I'm not going crazy. I've been on
Burrow for a long time now, always like Burrow more
than twa. Would you rather have Joe Burrow or Trevor Lawrence?
Not even cloven close. Trevor Lawrence is the best quarterback
since Andrew Locke in college he lost it. Not close though.
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Lawrence is bigger, he's faster, he's got a cannon. But
I think we're just going crazy. I think where it's
it's overreaction Tuesday. I'm not overreacting. I've been very consistent.
All right, let's revisit it. You wanted to want another
go at it? Joe Burrow or Dak Prescott. I think okay,
let's consider everything. Okay, O line, Mike McCarthy, Zeke, if
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they over the next ten years, I'm taking I think
I'm taking Dak. Dak's right now, do we think Mike
McCarthy's better than Jason Garrett? I I am. I've always
been high on Dak, so this is a this is
tough for me, but I really am all in on
Joe Burrow. So it's like a da Holy Crow old
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is though I will say this, obviously, we're considering all factors,
and the Bengals are the number one factor in where
I mean, where you go really determines whether you're going
to be successful, and say they have a lot of
most part unless something happens Drew Brees ask you know,
and you wind up somewhere else. So somewhere in my
crazy mind, I'm a mat I'm living in this temporary
fantasy land where the Dolphins are going to trade like
three of their picks and move up and get Joe Burrow,
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and Cincinnati's gonna move down Dack against McCauley Culkin. I
like Dak, I got nothing against Joe Burrow, But you're
putting up You're putting up Jimmy Garoppolo and Dack of
one playoff games. I mean, over the next ten years,
we're projecting what's gonna happen. Like Jared Goff is a classic.
Everybody now hates Jared Goff. He's got shot in a
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deal making GM that they're willing to do anything to
win in LA. I am one thousand percent in on
Joe Burrow. The only issue I have, which is a
major issue obviously, is it's the Bengals that's a real control.
Is he good enough to overcome the Bengals. I don't
think he's the kind of talent that can overcome average.
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Now Baker had to overcome total dysfunction. I mean, I
don't really think there's anybody that could overcome what happened
with the Browns. But I think you need a special
player to overcome kind of man and Cincinnati's kind of
mascouting mad. I think the brow is special. All right, Well,
there you go, Joe versus and I put my name
on all of them so you people on the internet
can like freeze frame all those When Burrows, a thirty
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eight time pro bowler at nine Super Bowl rings, I
love that. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Now we
get ready for NFL playoffs, and I said, after this weekend,
these are four really good teams, but the one to
me that can beat you more ways than any other,
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the one that really checks the boxes for me, from
full back to d line, to offensive tackle to quarterback
to coach to say safety to tight end to wide
receivers to San Francisco forty nine ers and joining us
live via the Coward Global Satellite Network. DeForrest Buckner brought
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You know, it's interesting, DeForest, thanks again for coming on
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the show. When you play a team like Green Bay
and you have success against Green Bay and then you're
gonna play them again, guys like me in the media say,
oh brother, this is trouble. Do you take anything from
the green Bay first win or does Kyle Shanahan say,
bury the tape. I don't want to see it. No,
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I mean you we're gonna watch the you know, the
game all over again. Like I when we find out
we're gonna play the Packers again, I put that game
back on, started watching film, you know, just looking at
things that I could have done better in that game.
And you're gonna pick things, you know from that game
that you could have got better and could have did better.
But um, obviously we're gonna get a whole new team
coming into two Levi's and you know, everything that you
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did in the regular season goes out the window because
the playoffs as a whole different beast. People forget this.
You guys start eight, no, and then virtually everybody gets hurt.
You're both tackles get hurt, your full back gets hurt,
George gets hurt, you got wide receivers hurt. And take
me back to the middle of the season when you
guys went into games and you didn't have seventy your
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top twenty players. Take me back to what it was
like to overcome that. Yeah, it was a grind, especially
having our you know, buying week four. Um, you know
that whole part of the season was a grind, losing guys,
and you know, it was the whole next man up
mentality and um, just preparing through you know, taking it
week one week at a time, and honestly, it was
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it was you could see, you know, the character and
the team, um, the grit and all the guys finishing off.
We had a lot of close games. I look back
at in about ten of our games throughout the season
came down to the last possession. So it just shows
a testament to all of the guys on the team,
you know, being being ready and staying ready. It's funny,
but you know, between George Kittle and some of the
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players on this team, people were saying this last week,
you guys have a pro wrestling feel to it, and
it is fun. You guys are fun to watch. Take
me back to the first time that you saw Kittle
at a practice. Did you know instantly, oh lord, we
stole this guy in the fifth round. Did you know
he was going to be something like this? Yeah, honestly
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his his rookie year, you know, seeing some of the
catches he was making in contested passes. You know, um,
you know, just battling you know, defense and offense. Throughout
training camp and ota seeing some of those catches that
he was making, you know, you could see that he
was a special guy. And you know, the growth that
he's had each and every year has been amazing to see.
And the type of teammate he is and obviously overall player,
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he's a superstar man. That's he's all pro kittle for
a reason, and I'm just lucky to have him on
my team. Now. Robert Sala is that good looking ball
defensive coordinator who's screaming and yell. And then you have
Kyle Shanahan's the genius on the offensive side. Tell me
how much Shanahan participate in the defense or does he
let Robert run the show? Um? Um, you know, I
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think Kyle likes to see, you know, overall what the
defense is doing. But um, you know, Salo pretty much
takes it over, you know what I mean. And you
can you can totally tell in practice too, even throughout
training camp. You know, both of them they like to
compete against each other, and especially you know the offense
and defense. You know, competition periods. You know they're going
back and forth. So it's it's great to see you
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know the competition you know within everyone on the team,
and you know, just making each other better each and
every day. When you face Aaron Rodgers, you had success
the first time, but I want you to take my
audience divorce into facing Aaron. He does a lot of
you know, he's playing at the line of scrimmage, he's manipulating,
he's trying to draw you off. It becomes a very
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mental game. Compare him to other quarterbacks U uh. You
know I would say, you know, making all those checks
at the line, you know, all the audibles. I mean,
I would relate him too. You know Tom Brady, you know,
because I played against Tom Brady in my rookie year,
and you know he did a similar thing, you know
what I mean, making all the different plays, checking it
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out the line, all the audibles, everything, and getting the
ball out and making you know, some great throws. So
he you know, Aaron's a future Hall of Famer and
you know he's you know, he's scary back there. And
so you know, we got to do a really good
job like we did, uh the last time. And you
know it starts with the run game, you know, shutting
down the run game early and you know, making a
drop backpass game and you know, trying to get get
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after him early. You know when when you look at
these upsets, Tennessee beats Baltimore and I mean, we're all
it's jaw dropping, and all of a sudden, Kansas City
falls behind twenty four nothing and you're sitting there now
as a number one seed. You're at home. The world
thinks you should win this weekend. Do you ever, like,
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do you ever think to yourself, Man, this could be
a trap. This this is a huge try, Like how
do you avoid the upset? Blinders? You gotta put your
blinders on, man, you know what I mean. It's you know,
we gotta come in each and every day like we
did last week, you know, ready to go. Um, you know,
every single guy in the room, you know, coaches and everything,
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you know, came in each and every day ready to work. Um.
It didn't matter, you know, all the outside noise we
had to you know, we got guys that play for
each other, trust one another, and you know, once we
get a good game plan, we just make sure we
execute whenever you know, game day is. And that's what
we need to do this week. Is Jimmy g a
verbal guy like Garoppolo at practice. What is he like?
M Yeah, I mean he's a verbal guy. Um, you know,
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he's you know, he he's a hard working dude, man. UM.
You know, seeing him go out there each and every
single day, UM, trying to meet you know, trying to
work with his receivers after practice, you know, making sure
they got that connection. Um. Everything the way he the
way he goes about his business. He's a true pro
and you know, all of our trust is within him. UM.
To see his growth throughout the season has been amazing.
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He doesn't care, you know, about the stats or anything.
You know, he just wants to put some positions to win.
And that's what he's been doing at a really, really
high level this year. DeForrest Buckner forty nine ers favored
over Green Bay. Second time on the show. Good luck
to you, Bud. You're an absolute blast to watch. It's
one of the best d lines in a long time.
And now you got d Ford and Kwan Alexander. The
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band is back together. Good luck to you, Yes, sir,
thank you. And don't forget Chakwaski Tart. He's been a big, big,
big part of our defense this year. See how about that?
Like that. That's a good teammate right there. Given a
guy some love, be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine a Empacific. He's
as good at college football coach as we've ever had,
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three national championships, one of two coaches to win a
title at two different schools. Saban is the other, of course,
Urban Meyer via the Cowherd Global Satellite Network. All right,
let's start coach. Let's start with this. You know, I
think it says accomplished a team as I've ever seen.
They beat all these teams. I don't know if they're
the best team, but good lord, they beat a lot
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of good teams and a lot of sec powers. If
I said to you best college team ever, what would
your reaction be. I think best offensive college team ever
would be a great argument. The best quarterback season quarterbacks
ever had would probably be yes. Best team ever. You know,
I kind of looked it up this morning, yet Clemson,
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and then you had the shoot, there's one other team
that we saw that had better offense and defensive production.
So I think when you talk about team, you got
to find the team that was Florida State, and it
was Clemson. Yeah, that both teams were top five offense
and defense. And then the Forida Gator team and wait,
you had, you know, a top fifteen offense and defense.
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So I think when you put it all together, it's
certainly one of them. But you know, when you have
a twenty some ranked defense, I think that's you know,
I think there's some better teams that there's been. You know,
you are a very good recruiter and you really understand personnel.
I mean you just you've been able to pick a
lot of players and you get it, especially on offense.
And I look at Joe Burrow and I'm going to
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ask you, as a personnel guy, does he remind you
of anybody you've had? Does it translate to the NFL
in your opinion? Well, the ones that I've had, personally,
it reminds you of Alex Smith, who's a warrior, competitor,
brilliant guy. I spent many times talking to Joe throughout
the year, and I know Joe Brady and m Zinger
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the coordinator and Joe really put together. But Joe was
very involved in those game plans. He's that smart of
a player. And Alex Smith was the same way. So
Alex Smith was the first pick overall in two thousand
and four. Joe will be the first overall pick in
two thousand and twenty. And I just think they remind him,
remind me both of each other. What did you learn
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about Trevor Lawrence last night? The Clemson quarterback coach. Yeah,
I love Trevor Lawrence. I saw it firsthand. I witnessed it.
I witnessed it against Ohio State. I loved his toughness.
I think he had a couple obviously high passage yesterday,
a little inaccuracy issues. But someone asked me, do you
think that hurt his draft stock? Absolutely not. He's got
another year. He's a great football player, and I just
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the first I always look at how tough is that guy?
And this guy's tough as nails, So he'll be I
think he'll be the first pick next year. You know
what the ball sailed on him, coach a little last night?
Is that pressure? I mean, it did feel like the
ball sailed on him. I love that question, and we
used to. I still tell the story about Cardel Jones
that when he made his first start and in the
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National Champis game against Wisconsin against Alabama, we played most
most of the game outside the hash marks because I
knew adrenaline would be pumped up. I knew, you know,
the worst thing can happen is you overthrow a guy
down the middle field, you overthrow it down the sideline
and say complete. So I'm sure you know he has
played in the big show before, but you know he
was a little inaccuratepared to what he's been throughout the
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most of the year. You've won three national championships. When
you're preparing for a game of this magnitude, coach, do
you have to coach a little different because the stage
is so dramatic in grandiose. Yeah, A lot of people think,
what's the pregame speech, Like how do you motivate your team?
There's very little pregame speech, very little motivation. And I
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can't speak for coach Oseron or coach Sweeney, but I
would imagine it was all about prep It was all
about actually lowering the pressure, lowering you'll calming everything down.
When you're playing a team that you're supposed to beat,
that's when you have to, you know, charge everybody up
and get everybody going. But the bigger of the game,
the robbery game, the playoffs or national championship. It's all
about preparation and getting that team healthy. I don't, I don't,
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I don't. I'd be shocked. I'd love to hear what
Coacho says about that, but I think it's more about
just prep not some great pregame speech. You um never
really had failure at the college level. Coach Oh guy fired.
I was told no by USC. He's a remarkable story
of American redemption, and I have to admit I am
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shocked by it. I always saw him as a coordinator,
a great recruiter, a wonderful man, but I never saw
the head coach thing. Are you a bit surprised, ed
Org you're on his hoist on the trophy last night? Well,
I love coach Oh. I've known him for twenty years,
and I know him back when he was at Miami,
and then Sonny Lubeck was one of his dear friends,
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and I worked for Sonny, so I got to know
him way back in the nineties, and then I coached
against him when he was at All Miss And I
think you know, he'd be the first to tell you
that he probably made some mistakes there and when he
was maybe not the first choice at LSU. And then
also they hired a guy you know, I was. I
was happy for him. I thought he's the perfect fit
for LSU. He's from Louisiana, he understands the culture, and
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he's a great recruiter. And I think the first thing
he did was surround himself with elite coaches and you
got Dave Randa, you got the co offensive coordinators on offense,
and let him do his deal and that's motivate, inspire
and recruit. Yeah, it was fun last night. I gotta
be honest with you. I like, I sat and I
picked Clemson to win, and about halfway through it, I'm like,
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you know what, this is a good story. I'm happy
for LSU if it's good for the state of Louisiana.
It did feel like to me that Clemson came out
They've been here before and had a good first quarter.
But boy, coach, the last three quarters, I just thought
LSU was a better team. Their secondary was absurd. I
felt LSU was absolutely a better team. Is that how
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you saw it? No doubt. They had seven wins against
top ten teams, seven wins against top ten teams. Their
body work wasn't even close with anybody else in the playoffs,
and that's why I picked them to win, and pretty
much close to the score. I thought, because of Trevor Lawrence,
because of the coaching staff, Coach Venerables, and obviously they've
been there before Clemson. I thought it'd be a heck
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of a game. It was. But how about this last
year at the end FFL draft, I'm set with coach
Oseron and he said, do you realize your boys saved
our jobs? And he was talking about Joe Burrow and
he wasn't talking about necessarily how great of a quarterback
because he was still learning. He had a very workman
like career last year, last year, last year, but his leadership,
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his ability to motivate others and spire others, limped everybody
else around him their level of play. He looked me
right in, I said, your boys saved our jobs, and
that's one of the reasons I'd picked them to be
in the playoffs right out of the jump, because Oson
and because of Joe. Joe told me, you know, he
was here on the fourteen national championship team and he
knew what that chemistry is like, and he felt that
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they had it at LSU and they stayed healthy and
really happy for that group. Yeah, coach, great scene is
at your office by the way, at your fancy office
you're in right now. Yeah, it's a little smaller than
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Joel Flatt this hour, Urban Meyer stops by, a member
of the Dallas Cowboys. The Forrest Buttner of the San
Francisco forty nine Ers stops by. What a performance by
Joe Burrow. One hour from now, we're gonna play a
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game called Joe Burrow versus not Joe her This is
the volcano. But would you take Joe Burrow over a
list of NFL quarterbacks? After what we saw last night?
Taylor is joining me. How are you? I am wonderful.
That was a great game last night. It was enjoyed
every second of it. I thought it was gonna be
a little bit closer, but yeah, I am. I'm glad.
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I was worried about Joe burrow performance and LSU was
fantastic six hundred twenty eight total yards against a very
great Clemson team who was favored to be back in
this game next year. It should be noted the O. B. J.
Jarvis Landry LSU team lost three times and finished in
the Outback Bowl. This is what happens when you get
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the quarterback right. They sent it all together. LSU has
been a football factory for as long as I've been
watching football, but they've never had a team like this
because they've never had a quarterback like this. And the
San Francisco forty nine ers have had a lot of
good players in the last three or four years and
a great coach, but they're four and twenty without Garoppolo.
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Aaron Rodgers got hurt a few years ago nine games
he missed. They won three this year with a rookie
head coach. I'm still not sure it's a great coach.
They've won fourteen games. Joe Burrow tied it all together.
But I want to talk about a bigger, broader part
of this story and why football continues to be so
much more popular than basketball in America. College football is
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a million times more popular than college basketball, and the
NFL ratings are up on every network this year. In
the NBA's down nineteen percent. And I like basketball, but
one of the reasons football connects with so many Americans
it's us. Joe Burrow was not even considered an NFL
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prospect in September. He will now be picked number one.
It's mid January. Hard work, kick to the curb, transferred
and doubted he's coachable. He worked his ass off, and
he is going to now make millions of dollars. The
Joe Burrow story doesn't happen in other sports that their
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sports don't have half of their players like the NFL
that are undrafted. Look around to football. Baker Mayfield transfer twice,
Kyler Murray told to transfer, Russell Wilson had to transfer,
cam and Aaron Rodgers went to junior colleges. Patrick Mahomes
nobody wanted him, Drew Brees had to go to Perdue,
Joe Burrow had to transfer. It's the story of overcoming
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of being told no pampered, kids are spoiled, kids are
bad adults. Basketball's too much into pampering. Oh the horror
high school to duke for six months. Coach k Bill's
self awful. You know what football says, son, come to
our school minimum three years, probably four at manned up five.
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We wouldn't consider paying you. You'll get hurt, you may
have to ride the bench in transfer, but when you
come out of the tunnel of football, you'll be emotionally
and physically a man and prepared for the millions. You
can make basketball panders and coddles and pampers. Football does not.
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That's why half the league is undrafted. That's why it's us.
It's overcoming ed Orgeron, mocked and kicked to the curb.
Football develops men. I've been in NBA locker rooms, hockey
locker rooms, baseball locker rooms, and football locker rooms. And
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NFL guys after four and five years of getting their
buck kicked in college, they come in hungry, grateful, and men.
They marry earlier, they grow up faster because they have
to overcome This weekend in the NFL playoffs, the highest
drafted quarterback is Ryan Tannehill and the Miami Dolphins. His
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first team bailed on him. He got hurt. You know
we want to get a younger, healthier guy. What did
Ryan Tannehill do? Whine about it? Complain, call his agent. Now,
he packed his bags, grabbed his family and went to
Tennessee and rides the bench and crosses his finger for
another opportunity. And football always gives you one. People get hurt,
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people disappoint and Tannehill will now play the FC Championship.
I love basketball, but I respect football because it asks
so much of you and it develops you. It's not
a race to get you paid, it's a race to
make you a man. Joe Burrow last night a plan
as arsof and I texted an NFLGM. He's a really
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good GM, and I say, what do you make a
Joe Burrow? And you know what the GM told me?
He goes. I didn't know in October, but every time
I watched him he got better. Yeah, he got better
because he had to transfer and he was and he
was told at Ohio State, you're not as good as
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the other guy. And last year he was humbled. Joe
Burrow is not just a football story. He's an American story.
He's relatable. I can't wait to watch him play at
Cincinnati and he may not make it. Maybe it'll look
like Baker, or maybe it'll look like Kyler, or maybe
it'll look like Lamar and Russell Wilson. But it's a
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story I can connect with, hard work, overcoming, kick to
the curve. It's the story of the NFL playoffs this
weekend and the story congrats to LSU and Joe Burrow
of last night. Let me shift to this. It was
also it should be noted, and I know you won't
believe this. It was a great night for Trevor Lawrence.
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It was Trevor Lawrence since he was fifteen years old,
and I saw him at a camp when he was sixteen.
He was so much better than all the other senior
quarterbacks and he was just a junior. Trevor Lawrence has
not been on a football field probably for close to
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ten years and been the second best quarterback in that
moment on the field. He got hit last night, He
got rushed last night, He got humbled last night. He
didn't play very good. Everything was sailing, he was nervous,
he was anxious. LSU can do that to you. Trevor
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Lawrence's life so far, and I'm not saying he has
learned it but it's been a lot of Saturdays when
he's up by thirty two at half. That is not
the NFL. The NFL is about making you uncomfortable. And
because Dabbo is a great coach and Venables a great coordinator,
and it's a football factory, He's thrown to five star
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receivers and handed off to five star running backs, and
he's got four and five star offensive linemen and the
ACC right now doesn't have another program with those kind
of players. Trevor Lawrence's college football career has been a
lot of forty seven point wins until last night, not
a single loss. And the loss was great for him,
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and he was humbled and he was nervous and he
was overwhelmed. I mean, good God, how good are LSU's
defensive backs? Lord, you'll be seeing him on Sunday real soon,
that freshman. Lord. But this is the story of the NFL.
Transferred doubted benched. Trevor Lawrence's career didn't have a last night.
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I mean didn't have one. And I'm watched him last
night and I still think he's He's not going to
drop in the draft. This means nothing to us. Suffered
a rare and serious medical injury. They will be moving up.
They'll be multiple teams moving up and scrambling and giving
away half a dozen picks to get to a who's smaller,
who's had multiple injuries. Trevor Lawrence, losing doesn't hurt his
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stock one iota. Do you remember Andrew lux losses? Nobody cares.
He's a all time transformational talent. But his career until
last night was really about comfort. And last night he
was uncomfortable and he sailed it, and he whistled overheads
and he got whacked. He and he looked like, for
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the first time in a long time, not remotely comfortable
in the pocket. And afterwards I think he knows it
was okay. First of all, Alas, you did a really
good job. They brought a lot of pressure, they did
a good job mixing up the coverages. But just at
the end of the day, I just didn't play well
enough for us to win. You know, too many missed
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plays by me, missed a lot of receivers, and you know,
just just wasn't my name. Man. It sucks, but you
got to look back on what you've done, and we've done.
We've done some great things, and we've got a lot
more in store ahead. Two great quarterbacks, ones headed to
the NFL, one is headed to the NFL in about
a year. Just loved watching both of them play. The good,
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the bad, the ugly. What a fun night. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and Noon
Easter nine a Empacific. Josh McDaniels did not get any
of these jobs, did not even get an interview for
anybody outside of Cleveland. Now, I've got my own personal
opinion on this. I did not think he was a
good fit in Cleveland, and I think when he did
what he did to the Colts, it did not do
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his reputation any good. I think he is laying Kiffen.
You love him or you hate him, And there's a
lot of NFL people that will never touch Josh McDaniels
because what he did to the Colts and Chris Ballard,
and Chris Ballard is close with Andy Reid, and everybody
in this league loves Andy Reid. But it does matter
that he's coming back to New England, as Joyce said,
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because I do think he matters more to Tom Brady
and New England right now than any other team. And
I had said during the year that if Brady hit
the market there would be a lot of suitors. But
one of the things I like about my job is
evolved grow watch stuff. I sit and watch games all weekend,
all day. I get new information. And I've said before,
if I was a pilot and you were on my
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plane and I got new information there's a lightning storm coming,
I would take it and turn right and avoid the
lightning storm. If I was a doctor and had your
son or daughter on the table and had new medicine
that could help them, I would use it. And in sports,
I don't stick to opinions if I get new information.
I thought Brady had a bad December. I thought he
looked tired. He is forty three at best, marginally athletic,
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and now expensive and kind of stuck in his ways.
I watched Joe Burrow, and I watched Tua, and I
watched Justin Herbert, who was very good in the Rose Bowl.
And I see Trevor Lawrence, and I watched Justin Fields,
and I think to myself, is there really a market
for Tom Brady. I don't know. You know, I've said
this before about Russell Westbrook. The league is trending away
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from Russell Westbrook, who's having his worst statistic season in
a decade. It is a shooters league, and he does
a lot well, but he doesn't shoot. The league is
trending away from Tom Brady. Old, expensive and not capable
of great mobility as offensive lines fail. That's not where
the league is going. So ask yourself, what is the market.
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We've got three new bad teams who will solve their
quarterback issue. Since he's getting Burrow, write it down, Miami's
probably getting Tuah, and then the Chargers or Carolina will
move right up, not back to get Justin Herbert. I
think all three after watching Burrow the last couple of weeks,
I think all three are gonna work in the NFL.
In fact, there's a new trend happening in football, which
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is awesome if you're a pro football fan or a
college fan. There's almost no first round quarterback bus anymore.
Josh Rosen, it hasn't worked. Paxton Lynch was a bust.
Outside of that, the last fifteen like thirteen or like,
you can win games. Second round guys, third round guys,
you can win games. The NFL is adopting more of
the college principles. It is allowing for much greater success
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and a much greater hit rate for quarterbacks. They're not
only working in the NFL. Now, they're working fast, like
they're working fat. Josh Allen's like, oh, he's a playoff quarterback.
Lamar Jackson's gonna be MVP. So they're not just not
just working, they're working quickly. And I'm watching Burrow. He's
gonna work pretty soon, and Trevor Lawrence will work, and
two is gonna work. And Justin Herbert he got better
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than the last two games against Utah Wisconsin. He's gonna work.
And I'd ask you who wants a forty three year
old quarterback? It's expensive, the game's moving away from him,
and you haven't. You have a quarterback deficit. So you say, Jaguars, No, No,
Nick Foles is making twenty two million, You don't have
any space. Warm Well, the Raiders, they got there a car.
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Come on, let's let's move past. Derek Carr's good, he's
gonna stay. He's gonna stay in Oakland. And then I
start looking around and I think to myself, Chicago, No,
they can continue to pretend that Mitch Rubisky is their guy. Also,
remember twenty seven year old Teddy Bridgewaters on the market.
I like Teddy Bridgewater. I would have no problem if
I was a team, you know out there, like the Colts,
I'll get Teddy Bridgewater and then I would draft a
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couple of quarterbacks behind him. I don't think he's a
ten year guy, but he's twenty seven. He's smart, he
learns a playbook, he doesn't make any mistakes. He doesn't
win all the games for you, but he almost never
loses a game for you. But what's the market now
for Brady? The more I think about it, the more
I watch college football, the more I see all these
young quarterbacks working, the more I watch the trends of
the league, I don't think there's a huge market for him.
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And he's getting his center back. I read that story yesterday.
He's getting Josh McDaniels back. You know, they've got some
cap space. It's a fairly young team in certain spots.
It's expensive in others like Stefan Gilmore, and old in others.
But I think it's much easier for New England to
go out and get Amari Cooper than it is for
Tom Brady to go into a new city that was
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a little bit rigid, a little bit expensive, unless you
have a great offic to line like the Colts, that
seems like a good fit for me. I don't think
it works. I mean, I think the Colts is the
one I kind of think works. Offensive line, smart, respected coach,
good GM ready to win now. I don't think Gizelle
is going to say let's move the family to Indianapolis.
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I think she's tolerating Boston, tolerating it. She's a supermodel.
Would rather live in Miami, Los Angeles. I just don't
think there's much of a market. I think I think
it's drying up. I really do. And I think New
England's the place for him. One more Herd. The Herd
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on demand whenever you'd like. When Andrew Luckin was in college,
I was like, sophomore year, I'm like number one pick
Trevor Lawrence. I think he's great. I think he's a
transformational talent, all time talent. I don't look at last
night and worry about anything. Good Lord, folks, people whose
college games all the time. Tom Brady lost a few.
Trevor Lawrence is great. But Joe Burrow somebody that you know.
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None of us thought he was going to be this September.
Most of us didn't think he was going to be
this in October. A few of you did in November,
many of you did in December, and now January, we're like, yeah,
he looks like a number one pick. He got better
and better and better. And he's an older kid, and
he's been around than it's five years. But it's like
he got better, better, better, better, better better. So I
think he's a legitimate number one pick today. But the
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question becomes how much do I like him? So I
like to give my opinions on stuff, and then if
I'm wrong, you can call me out. Never afraid of
being wrong, don't give a rip about it. So I'll
just size up. We're gonna play a game called Joe
Versus over the next ten years. This is over a decade. Now.
Would I rather have Joe Burrow or who? Joy Taylor offers,
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You're ready to go? I'm ready, all right, here we go. Okay,
would you rather have Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson? That's easy.
I'd rather have Lamar Jackson. He is a unique athletic talent.
He also has the Ravens organization behind him, and Joe
Burrow will have the Bengals organization. Mean, Baltimore tends to
draft better players and have better coaches. So I would
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take Lamar Jackson because I think who your coach is,
and who your owner is and who your GM is matters.
Would you rather have Burrow or Baker? I think Burrows
a better prospect. I think he's bigger, I think he's
more athletic. I think he throws a better deep ball.
He doesn't have silly videos with law enforcement. I don't
think there's any question that Burrows a better prospect. If
you ask NFL GMS today about who's a better prospect,
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it's Joe Burrow, Burrow or Big Ben. Okay, it's ten years.
I would take Joe Burrow again. I think Big Ben
is going to come back. There have been stories this
year that he's not sure. I mean a lot of
people are like the injuries worse than you think. So
I think Ben's got about two years left in the league.
Would you rather have Burrow or Tom Brady? That's Joe
Burrow again. I think Burrows actually a better prospect than
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Tom was. And he's also, you know, twenty three instead
of forty three. Tom's got maybe two years left. It's
remarkable he's twenty years younger than him. He's gonna be
playing in the same league as Tom Brady. Would you
rather have Joe Burrow or to Shaun Watson. It's a
tricky question because one is a world class athlete and
one is with Houston, which is hard to get your
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arms around. They keep winning their division, but are they
well run. I'd probably go to Shaun Watson because I
think he has a quality. Burrow's good at a lot
of stuff. What is he great at? Deshaun is a
great playmaking quarterback. Deshaun Would you rather have Joe Burrow
or Patrick Mahomes? Not real tough, Mahomes is the best
quarterback talent over the next ten years. Burrow or Derek Carr.
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Burrow is a bigger quarterback. I think he's a more
athletic quarterback. It's not an easy one because I like
Derek Carr more than anybody else. But I don't think
Gruden's gonna bail on him, and I think I think
Gruden and Mayock have drafted well So Derek's got some
good pieces around him, but I think the Bengals have
some interesting offensive pieces. So I would take slightly Burrow here.
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What about Joe Burrow or Carson Wentz? Not close. Wentz
is bigger, stronger, better arm. I think Wentz is an
all time him talent. He's been beat up. But if
you didn't watch, if you watch Burrow in the last
three or four games of this year, folks, he put
a I'm Joe, I mean, he put a AAF team
on his shoulders and carried them into the playoffs. Went
is a phenomenal quarterback talent. Would you rather have Joe
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Burrow or Dak Prescott. I'll come back to that one.
They come back to that one. Hey, would you rather
have Joe Burrow or Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones I whipped
on him. I watched him in college. I didn't think
he was special, and then I watched him in the NFL,
and I'm like, he's special. He's a really good athlete.
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They're very Actually, they're very similar. I missed on Daniel Jones.
I saw him in college and I did not think
he was spectacular, and I made a big mistake and
I think the Giants are ready. I actually do if
this coach can coach. I think they're ready to pop.
I think they have some good players. I like Daniel Jones,
but I'm gonna go Burrow. There. Would you rather have
Burrow or Aaron Rodgers. Aaron's gonna play for probably six
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to seven more years. Far as arm talent not close.
Aaron's also one of the smartest guys. It's gonna take
Burrow while I mean, let's be honest, he struggled last
year at LSU. It's gonna take him a while to
figure it out the NFL system. So Aaron easily Joe
Burrow or Kirk Cousins, this is an easy one. I'd
take Burrow. I think Burrows a better prospect, you know,
I mean, he's we forget it's about Kirk Cousins. Kirk
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Cousins is six one and a half. You know, he's
not a big guy with not a big arm, and
he's not overly athletic. He's surrounded by a ton of
great players. But Burrows a better prospect. How about Joe
Burrow or his hero Drew Brees Burrow because Breese has
about one or two years left that seems like an
easy one. Would you rather have Joe Burrow or Matt Ryan? Well,
do I think Burrow's ever gonna be a top ten
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quarterback in the league. No, I don't never. No, I
think he's gonna be a good player. I don't think
he's a top ten quarterback. Matt Ryan's top ten quarterback.
So I'd take Matt Ryan top ten quarterback. Is look
at all the great players. Good God, who's moving out?
He's had the best statistical season in college football history,
Baker Mayfiel, You'll won the Heisman. I don't know that.
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Would you eraither have Joe Burrow or Jimmy Garoppolo? I
like Garoppolo. Garoppolo's got Kyle Shanahan and George Kittle. That
may be the best young coach and the best young
tight end I got. So Jimmy's pieces are elevating. Listen,
you're asking me next ten years. I know what I'm
getting from Jimmy. I get Kyle Shanahan, Kyle Shannham and
Matt Ryan the MVP. I mean, we got to be
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honest about this stuff. It's not just your talent who's
elevating it. Yeah, I mean where you go and who's
I mean, you don't think John Peyton has helped Drew Brees.
Kyle Shanahan guarantees Garoppolo as a Pro bowler. I mean
guarantees it for the next ten years. He's gonna have
multiple Pro Bowls. Joe Burrow or your favorite, Russell Wilson,
not close. Russell's the best football player in America. That
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was an easy way for you. Would you rather have
Joe Burrow or Jared Goff? All right, So Joe Burrow,
get Zach Taylor, Jared Goff gets his mentor Sean McVeigh.
And by the way, the Rams have shown an ability
to get free agent Cincinnati hasn't. Rams draft well again,
I get Sean McVay with Jared Goff, you get Zach
Taylor and Joe Burrow. And by the way, a cheap
owner and an organization that is old school, and they're
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drafting and scouting. They don't have a Bengals don't have
a huge scouting department. They tend to be like one
of these teams that never moves around in the draft.
They just if they have six picks, they make six picks.
Rams are playmakers and deal makers during the draft. They're
gonna get better players around him. Would you rather have
Joe Burrow or Kyler Murray? Kyler Murray, Connor Murray's fantastic.
Nobody watched him play this year. Kyler Murray's fantastic. I
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love watching him. I think he's the next Russell Wilson.
He's a baseball player. He's slides you'll never get hurt.
I think Kyler Murray. None of you guys are watching him.
I live right next to Arizona, so I watch Arizona.
I think Kyler Murray is special. I'm gonna go with
Burrow there. Would you rather have Burrow or Tuaa two ohs?
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Drew Brees two is a better he's a better prospect.
He's not do you guys are going crazy on this?
First of all, I'm not going crazy. I've been on
Burrow for a long time now, always like Burrow more
than twa. Would you rather have Joe Burrow or Trevor Lawrence?
Not even cloven close. Trevor Lawrence is the best quarterback
since Andrew Locke in college he lost it. Not close though.
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Lawrence is bigger, he's faster, he's got a cannon. But
I think we're just going crazy. I think where it's
it's overreaction Tuesday. I'm not overreacting. I've been very consistent.
All right, let's revisit it. You wanted to want another
go at it? Joe Burrow or Dak Prescott. I think okay,
let's consider everything. Okay, O line, Mike McCarthy, Zeke, if
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they over the next ten years, I'm taking I think
I'm taking Dak. Dak's right now, do we think Mike
McCarthy's better than Jason Garrett? I I am. I've always
been high on Dak, so this is a this is
tough for me, but I really am all in on
Joe Burrow. So it's like a da Holy Crow old
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is though I will say this, obviously, we're considering all factors,
and the Bengals are the number one factor in where
I mean, where you go really determines whether you're going
to be successful, and say they have a lot of
most part unless something happens Drew Brees ask you know,
and you wind up somewhere else. So somewhere in my
crazy mind, I'm a mat I'm living in this temporary
fantasy land where the Dolphins are going to trade like
three of their picks and move up and get Joe Burrow,
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and Cincinnati's gonna move down Dack against McCauley Culkin. I
like Dak, I got nothing against Joe Burrow, But you're
putting up You're putting up Jimmy Garoppolo and Dack of
one playoff games. I mean, over the next ten years,
we're projecting what's gonna happen. Like Jared Goff is a classic.
Everybody now hates Jared Goff. He's got shot in a
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deal making GM that they're willing to do anything to
win in LA. I am one thousand percent in on
Joe Burrow. The only issue I have, which is a
major issue obviously, is it's the Bengals that's a real control.
Is he good enough to overcome the Bengals. I don't
think he's the kind of talent that can overcome average.
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Now Baker had to overcome total dysfunction. I mean, I
don't really think there's anybody that could overcome what happened
with the Browns. But I think you need a special
player to overcome kind of man and Cincinnati's kind of
mascouting mad. I think the brow is special. All right, Well,
there you go, Joe versus and I put my name
on all of them so you people on the internet
can like freeze frame all those When Burrows, a thirty
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eight time pro bowler at nine Super Bowl rings, I
love that. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Herd weekdays in noun Easter nine am Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Now we
get ready for NFL playoffs, and I said, after this weekend,
these are four really good teams, but the one to
me that can beat you more ways than any other,
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the one that really checks the boxes for me, from
full back to d line, to offensive tackle to quarterback
to coach to say safety to tight end to wide
receivers to San Francisco forty nine ers and joining us
live via the Coward Global Satellite Network. DeForrest Buckner brought
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You know, it's interesting, DeForest, thanks again for coming on
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the show. When you play a team like Green Bay
and you have success against Green Bay and then you're
gonna play them again, guys like me in the media say,
oh brother, this is trouble. Do you take anything from
the green Bay first win or does Kyle Shanahan say,
bury the tape. I don't want to see it. No,
(26:36):
I mean you we're gonna watch the you know, the
game all over again. Like I when we find out
we're gonna play the Packers again, I put that game
back on, started watching film, you know, just looking at
things that I could have done better in that game.
And you're gonna pick things, you know from that game
that you could have got better and could have did better.
But um, obviously we're gonna get a whole new team
coming into two Levi's and you know, everything that you
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did in the regular season goes out the window because
the playoffs as a whole different beast. People forget this.
You guys start eight, no, and then virtually everybody gets hurt.
You're both tackles get hurt, your full back gets hurt,
George gets hurt, you got wide receivers hurt. And take
me back to the middle of the season when you
guys went into games and you didn't have seventy your
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top twenty players. Take me back to what it was
like to overcome that. Yeah, it was a grind, especially
having our you know, buying week four. Um, you know
that whole part of the season was a grind, losing guys,
and you know, it was the whole next man up
mentality and um, just preparing through you know, taking it
week one week at a time, and honestly, it was
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it was you could see, you know, the character and
the team, um, the grit and all the guys finishing off.
We had a lot of close games. I look back
at in about ten of our games throughout the season
came down to the last possession. So it just shows
a testament to all of the guys on the team,
you know, being being ready and staying ready. It's funny,
but you know, between George Kittle and some of the
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players on this team, people were saying this last week,
you guys have a pro wrestling feel to it, and
it is fun. You guys are fun to watch. Take
me back to the first time that you saw Kittle
at a practice. Did you know instantly, oh lord, we
stole this guy in the fifth round. Did you know
he was going to be something like this? Yeah, honestly
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his his rookie year, you know, seeing some of the
catches he was making in contested passes. You know, um,
you know, just battling you know, defense and offense. Throughout
training camp and ota seeing some of those catches that
he was making, you know, you could see that he
was a special guy. And you know, the growth that
he's had each and every year has been amazing to see.
And the type of teammate he is and obviously overall player,
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he's a superstar man. That's he's all pro kittle for
a reason, and I'm just lucky to have him on
my team. Now. Robert Sala is that good looking ball
defensive coordinator who's screaming and yell. And then you have
Kyle Shanahan's the genius on the offensive side. Tell me
how much Shanahan participate in the defense or does he
let Robert run the show? Um? Um, you know, I
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think Kyle likes to see, you know, overall what the
defense is doing. But um, you know, Salo pretty much
takes it over, you know what I mean. And you
can you can totally tell in practice too, even throughout
training camp. You know, both of them they like to
compete against each other, and especially you know the offense
and defense. You know, competition periods. You know they're going
back and forth. So it's it's great to see you
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know the competition you know within everyone on the team,
and you know, just making each other better each and
every day. When you face Aaron Rodgers, you had success
the first time, but I want you to take my
audience divorce into facing Aaron. He does a lot of
you know, he's playing at the line of scrimmage, he's manipulating,
he's trying to draw you off. It becomes a very
(29:53):
mental game. Compare him to other quarterbacks U uh. You
know I would say, you know, making all those checks
at the line, you know, all the audibles. I mean,
I would relate him too. You know Tom Brady, you know,
because I played against Tom Brady in my rookie year,
and you know he did a similar thing, you know
what I mean, making all the different plays, checking it
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out the line, all the audibles, everything, and getting the
ball out and making you know, some great throws. So
he you know, Aaron's a future Hall of Famer and
you know he's you know, he's scary back there. And
so you know, we got to do a really good
job like we did, uh the last time. And you
know it starts with the run game, you know, shutting
down the run game early and you know, making a
drop backpass game and you know, trying to get get
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after him early. You know when when you look at
these upsets, Tennessee beats Baltimore and I mean, we're all
it's jaw dropping, and all of a sudden, Kansas City
falls behind twenty four nothing and you're sitting there now
as a number one seed. You're at home. The world
thinks you should win this weekend. Do you ever, like,
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do you ever think to yourself, Man, this could be
a trap. This this is a huge try, Like how
do you avoid the upset? Blinders? You gotta put your
blinders on, man, you know what I mean. It's you know,
we gotta come in each and every day like we
did last week, you know, ready to go. Um, you know,
every single guy in the room, you know, coaches and everything,
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you know, came in each and every day ready to work. Um.
It didn't matter, you know, all the outside noise we
had to you know, we got guys that play for
each other, trust one another, and you know, once we
get a good game plan, we just make sure we
execute whenever you know, game day is. And that's what
we need to do this week. Is Jimmy g a
verbal guy like Garoppolo at practice. What is he like?
M Yeah, I mean he's a verbal guy. Um, you know,
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he's you know, he he's a hard working dude, man. UM.
You know, seeing him go out there each and every
single day, UM, trying to meet you know, trying to
work with his receivers after practice, you know, making sure
they got that connection. Um. Everything the way he the
way he goes about his business. He's a true pro
and you know, all of our trust is within him. UM.
To see his growth throughout the season has been amazing.
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He doesn't care, you know, about the stats or anything.
You know, he just wants to put some positions to win.
And that's what he's been doing at a really, really
high level this year. DeForrest Buckner forty nine ers favored
over Green Bay. Second time on the show. Good luck
to you, Bud. You're an absolute blast to watch. It's
one of the best d lines in a long time.
And now you got d Ford and Kwan Alexander. The
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band is back together. Good luck to you, Yes, sir,
thank you. And don't forget Chakwaski Tart. He's been a big, big,
big part of our defense this year. See how about that?
Like that. That's a good teammate right there. Given a
guy some love, be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine a Empacific. He's
as good at college football coach as we've ever had,
(32:46):
three national championships, one of two coaches to win a
title at two different schools. Saban is the other, of course,
Urban Meyer via the Cowherd Global Satellite Network. All right,
let's start coach. Let's start with this. You know, I
think it says accomplished a team as I've ever seen.
They beat all these teams. I don't know if they're
the best team, but good lord, they beat a lot
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of good teams and a lot of sec powers. If
I said to you best college team ever, what would
your reaction be. I think best offensive college team ever
would be a great argument. The best quarterback season quarterbacks
ever had would probably be yes. Best team ever. You know,
I kind of looked it up this morning, yet Clemson,
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and then you had the shoot, there's one other team
that we saw that had better offense and defensive production.
So I think when you talk about team, you got
to find the team that was Florida State, and it
was Clemson. Yeah, that both teams were top five offense
and defense. And then the Forida Gator team and wait,
you had, you know, a top fifteen offense and defense.
(33:50):
So I think when you put it all together, it's
certainly one of them. But you know, when you have
a twenty some ranked defense, I think that's you know,
I think there's some better teams that there's been. You know,
you are a very good recruiter and you really understand personnel.
I mean you just you've been able to pick a
lot of players and you get it, especially on offense.
And I look at Joe Burrow and I'm going to
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ask you, as a personnel guy, does he remind you
of anybody you've had? Does it translate to the NFL
in your opinion? Well, the ones that I've had, personally,
it reminds you of Alex Smith, who's a warrior, competitor,
brilliant guy. I spent many times talking to Joe throughout
the year, and I know Joe Brady and m Zinger
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the coordinator and Joe really put together. But Joe was
very involved in those game plans. He's that smart of
a player. And Alex Smith was the same way. So
Alex Smith was the first pick overall in two thousand
and four. Joe will be the first overall pick in
two thousand and twenty. And I just think they remind him,
remind me both of each other. What did you learn
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about Trevor Lawrence last night? The Clemson quarterback coach. Yeah,
I love Trevor Lawrence. I saw it firsthand. I witnessed it.
I witnessed it against Ohio State. I loved his toughness.
I think he had a couple obviously high passage yesterday,
a little inaccuracy issues. But someone asked me, do you
think that hurt his draft stock? Absolutely not. He's got
another year. He's a great football player, and I just
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the first I always look at how tough is that guy?
And this guy's tough as nails, So he'll be I
think he'll be the first pick next year. You know
what the ball sailed on him, coach a little last night?
Is that pressure? I mean, it did feel like the
ball sailed on him. I love that question, and we
used to. I still tell the story about Cardel Jones
that when he made his first start and in the
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National Champis game against Wisconsin against Alabama, we played most
most of the game outside the hash marks because I
knew adrenaline would be pumped up. I knew, you know,
the worst thing can happen is you overthrow a guy
down the middle field, you overthrow it down the sideline
and say complete. So I'm sure you know he has
played in the big show before, but you know he
was a little inaccuratepared to what he's been throughout the
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most of the year. You've won three national championships. When
you're preparing for a game of this magnitude, coach, do
you have to coach a little different because the stage
is so dramatic in grandiose. Yeah, A lot of people think,
what's the pregame speech, Like how do you motivate your team?
There's very little pregame speech, very little motivation. And I
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can't speak for coach Oseron or coach Sweeney, but I
would imagine it was all about prep It was all
about actually lowering the pressure, lowering you'll calming everything down.
When you're playing a team that you're supposed to beat,
that's when you have to, you know, charge everybody up
and get everybody going. But the bigger of the game,
the robbery game, the playoffs or national championship. It's all
about preparation and getting that team healthy. I don't, I don't,
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I don't. I'd be shocked. I'd love to hear what
Coacho says about that, but I think it's more about
just prep not some great pregame speech. You um never
really had failure at the college level. Coach Oh guy fired.
I was told no by USC. He's a remarkable story
of American redemption, and I have to admit I am
(37:08):
shocked by it. I always saw him as a coordinator,
a great recruiter, a wonderful man, but I never saw
the head coach thing. Are you a bit surprised, ed
Org you're on his hoist on the trophy last night? Well,
I love coach Oh. I've known him for twenty years,
and I know him back when he was at Miami,
and then Sonny Lubeck was one of his dear friends,
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and I worked for Sonny, so I got to know
him way back in the nineties, and then I coached
against him when he was at All Miss And I
think you know, he'd be the first to tell you
that he probably made some mistakes there and when he
was maybe not the first choice at LSU. And then
also they hired a guy you know, I was. I
was happy for him. I thought he's the perfect fit
for LSU. He's from Louisiana, he understands the culture, and
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he's a great recruiter. And I think the first thing
he did was surround himself with elite coaches and you
got Dave Randa, you got the co offensive coordinators on offense,
and let him do his deal and that's motivate, inspire
and recruit. Yeah, it was fun last night. I gotta
be honest with you. I like, I sat and I
picked Clemson to win, and about halfway through it, I'm like,
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you know what, this is a good story. I'm happy
for LSU if it's good for the state of Louisiana.
It did feel like to me that Clemson came out
They've been here before and had a good first quarter.
But boy, coach, the last three quarters, I just thought
LSU was a better team. Their secondary was absurd. I
felt LSU was absolutely a better team. Is that how
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you saw it? No doubt. They had seven wins against
top ten teams, seven wins against top ten teams. Their
body work wasn't even close with anybody else in the playoffs,
and that's why I picked them to win, and pretty
much close to the score. I thought, because of Trevor Lawrence,
because of the coaching staff, Coach Venerables, and obviously they've
been there before Clemson. I thought it'd be a heck
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of a game. It was. But how about this last
year at the end FFL draft, I'm set with coach
Oseron and he said, do you realize your boys saved
our jobs? And he was talking about Joe Burrow and
he wasn't talking about necessarily how great of a quarterback
because he was still learning. He had a very workman
like career last year, last year, last year, but his leadership,
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his ability to motivate others and spire others, limped everybody
else around him their level of play. He looked me
right in, I said, your boys saved our jobs, and
that's one of the reasons I'd picked them to be
in the playoffs right out of the jump, because Oson
and because of Joe. Joe told me, you know, he
was here on the fourteen national championship team and he
knew what that chemistry is like, and he felt that
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they had it at LSU and they stayed healthy and
really happy for that group. Yeah, coach, great scene is
at your office by the way, at your fancy office
you're in right now. Yeah, it's a little smaller than
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