Blazing 5 - Week 6

Colin talks with RJ Bell of Pregame.com & Fox Sports Radio about his Blazing 5 picks to find out which ones the sharps in Vegas agree or disagree with. This week's games:

Browns @ Steelers

Ravens @ Eagles

Broncos @ Patriots

Packers @ Bucs

Rams @ 49ers

Plus, Colin gives out a bonus pick not in his Blazing 5

Then Colin talks with Trevor Moawad, Mental Conditioning Coach for Russell Wilson who has also worked with Nick Saban at Alabama and Kirby Smart at Georgia. Trevor and Colin talk about the things Russell Wilson does mentally that make him so good at the end of games. They also discuss how coaches implement his teachings and how others can use it in everyday life

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Saturday Morning Podcast. Won't have
Trevor moad on later. He is Russell Wilson's mental coach
and has worked with high four file coaches like Nick
Saban and General Fisher. Really interesting conversation about how athletes
train their minds for optimal performance. But first, last week,
my Blazing five stunk. I've struggled all year. I'm waiting
for the defense is to catch up. I'm ten fourteen

(00:23):
and one in the year I stink. Let's turn it around, baby.
I'll get to RJ Bell in a second, But first,
my blazing five, let's blaze it off, fired up, It's
Collins Blazing five. Brown said Steelers. It's been an offensive
league so far. I'm gonna take Pittsburgh minus four here.
Baker Mayfield is not one hundred percent. That leads me

(00:44):
to believe they'll keep him out of the crosshairs. Have
a pretty pretty conservative game plan for Kevin Stefanski, who's
had more success than year when they've been conservative. Run
it over pass it. Big Ben has owned the Browns forever.
But what I like this year big Ben highest completion
percentage and passer rating of his career, the mistakes are

(01:06):
way down. The Steelers lead the NFL with twenty sacks
and seventy pressures, and their rush defense is great and
will force Baker to play fast. As Greg Kosell told us,
he doesn't play well fast. I like the Pittsburgh Steelers
to cover when by a touchdown twenty eight twenty one.
Bronchos and Patriots like New England. I love New England

(01:30):
minus nine and a half. Don't fight it. Young quarterbacks
get annihilated by Belichick, all of them. Patrick Mahomes still
struggles with Belichick. Drew Locke for Denver is not one
hundred percent. He is going to struggle. By the way
everybody always thinks. New England never plays well at Denver.

(01:51):
Denver's awful at Foxborough. Patriot's average thirty nine a game
five and zero with a massive turnover differential. And this
Broncos offense is the mistakes the Patriots extra time. This
is a big game now because Buffalo is a real
football team and you want to win this division. I

(02:11):
love New England in a blowout this weekend thirty two
sixteen Ravens at Eagles. I'll take another favorite, Baltimore minus
seven and a half. Baltimore is not as dynamic offensively
as last year, but their defense has been great at
creating turnovers. Their second in the NFL creating turnovers. They're

(02:34):
also top five in sacks. What does that mean? Well,
Lane Johnson miss practice this week for the Eagles. They
continue to struggle with health with wide receivers in old line,
and the Ravens have won thirteen games by fourteen or
more start of last season. Don't sell all your stock.
The Eagles are feisty, but remain turnover plagued on offense,

(02:59):
and John harp Balls never shy to pile it on.
He wants this offense to get their confidence back. If
he leads, Hardball will pile it on. Baltimore wins by
ten thirty three twenty three. Packers and Bucks. I know
a lot of wise guys like the Buccaneers. I'll take
green bet to win this game minus one. First of all,

(03:20):
the Packers do one thing really well, well, multiple things,
but you can't get to Aaron Rodgers and they get
to your quarterback. So Aaron will be the more comfortable
quarterback this weekend. Passing yards passer raiding yards per a teenth,
the Packers are the most explosive offense yards per playing

(03:40):
the league in Davante Adams is back. He wanted to
play two weeks ago and the coaches wouldn't let him.
I still think this is an offense in Tampa that
is growing. Chris Godwin and Mike Evans still not one
hundred percent. I like the Packers in this huge game
on Fox to win seven twenty four. It's lower scoring

(04:02):
than people think, but I've only got to give up one.
I'm taking it rams at forty nine ers. What do
I always say, bet a well coached team that was
humiliated the week before. I'm going to take the Niners
plus three and a half. This division's the best in football.
This is a must win. This is the season for

(04:22):
the Niners. It is a must win for the Niners.
This is a loaded division. If they don't win this weekend,
they're an uphill battle for a wildcard spot. And by
the way, their defense is still playing good football despite
what you saw last week top five and totally yards allowed, passing,
touchdowns alt allowed. Garoppolo has faith this defense before with

(04:44):
Sean mcvay's three and zero. Garoppolo participated fully in practice
this week Raheem Mostert one hundred plus scrimmage yards last
three weeks. They still run the football well. They're still
well coached, they still play really good defense. They don't
have quite the pass rush. The Rams are a good
football team. But the urgency here is the Niners. It's

(05:08):
the game of the season. They have to win, and
I'm gonna take an upset. I call one every week
San Francisco twenty six, twenty four over the Rams. People
in LA must think I just hate the local teams.
I didn't like the Lakers this year. I keep betting
against the Rams, but three and a half the hook
is too much for me. All of our odds are

(05:28):
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All right, let's go to RJ Bella pregame dot com
Fox Sports Radio. A few minutes. He's gonna he's gonna
talk about with the sharps, think of my picks, and
for God's sakes, agreement or not, I've been awful. Okay,

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let's start with this one. It's a big number, but
New England is well rested. They're minus nine and a
half against Denver. The Broncos are averaging fifteen points a
game over the first three weeks of a season, and
we know that Vic Fangio is not an overly creative
head coach. The Patriots are doing something very well, and

(06:10):
especially well when Cam plays RJ best rushing offense in
the NFL one seventy nine a game, second best, I
should note, and Damian Harris is becoming a star. This
is one of the blowouts I see for the weekend.
I like the Patriots big. What are the wise guys say?
R J? Bell agreement. I don't like big favorites, but

(06:30):
I like it. Here you mentioned earlier calling. I think
it's a valid point. Football outsiders typically breaks down offense,
four units, defense, three special teams won. This year, it
feels like the defense hasn't been that full three units
of the eight in total. But I do believe if

(06:52):
you look at the holding calls the first four weeks
of the year, the holding calls were down huge. They
were up almost fifty percent in Week five. Scoring went
down too. I think we're seeing the NFL saying, okay,
we're back, it's post preseason. Effectively the first four games
now it's the same rules as before, I think d

(07:13):
becomes more of an issue, and that's a good thing
I think for your style handicapping, and most professionals do
focus at least some attention on defense and in other ways.
This has been a season that we've never seen before.
We've never faced COVID, we've never faced Oh, this game
was supposed to be last week, now it's this week.

(07:33):
Who would you rather have in these one of a
kind situations, Belichick over anyone. That's one reason I like
this number. Two. We don't know how healthy Drew Locke is.
We know he's gonna play. It seems like is he
one hundred percent? We know young quarterbacks do not do
well against Belichick. And then finally, and this is a
great stat if you go back sixteen years with the Patriots.

(07:56):
Sixteen years, how many times have they not had a
win record, which they don't right now two and two
week five or later. There's only been eight times in
sixteen years, eight no straight up and only two losses
against the spread. When Balichick is off a loss, he's
got a focus. When he's off a bye, he's got focused.

(08:16):
When he doesn't have a winning record, he has focused.
They've got all three here agree, Pats Oh right, and
I'm taking another favorite with RJ Bell, by the way
his Twitter account at RJ in Vegas. I'm gonna take
Baltimore minus seven and a half. Philadelphia once again, receivers
are practicing may not play. Lane Johnson, best offensive lineman

(08:37):
held out. The Ravens are not as dynamic as last year.
They're not, but they're the best rushing average in the
NFL at almost five point six yards a rush, and
they've won thirteen games by fourteen or more since the
start of last season. They're not as dynamic as last year,
and the Chiefs loss threw some people off, but they

(08:57):
are right now a healthier and much better football team
than Philadelphia. I'd swallow the seven and a half win
by ten Ravens. What do the wise guys think? Again? Agreement.
If there's any team I'd want to lay the points
within the NFL, generally it's Baltimore. Why because hardball is
a bully. He likes to run it up. And let's

(09:20):
be candid, most NFL teams do not have desire for margin.
But let's look at Baltimore coming into let's say the
Monday night game against Kansas City, which was obviously a
shocking game. Before that, the last twelve regular season games,
Baltimore outdid the spread, so it's margin against the spread
was over fifteen points a game. During that same time period.

(09:44):
The next best team was less than five points. So
the Ravens had three times the margin of any other
team in the regular season last twelve before Monday night.
Now what's happened since then? Well, they had an ATS
push against Washington and they one by eleven extra points
ATS margin against the Bengals, so they're back to beating

(10:05):
up on lesser teams. Well, the Eagles are a lesser
team at this point. You look at Lamar, You're right,
he is not as dynamic, his passing is not as good,
he's not running as much. But the defense of Baltimore
is even better. So net Net, I'm not sure. It
might be a small downgrade from last year, but not
all that much. Now here's the one final Devil's Advocate

(10:27):
point for Philly. You could say, well, wait a minute,
Philly just went to San franz as a touchdown plus
underdog and one then they went to Pittsburgh and could
have won as a touchdown plus underdog. They're getting hot. Yeah,
maybe I don't think so. Carson Wentz in general, this
has been his worst year agreement on the Bullies the Ravens.

(10:47):
I'll take another favorite, Steelers minus four hosting the Browns.
Greg ko Sell came on my show this week and
he actually said I initially thought Cleveland on Sunday and Monday,
but he said, actually, Bakers not playing well. Pro Football
Focus has Baker Mayfield is the second lowest graded Cleveland
brown on offense, and the Steelers lead the NFL and

(11:09):
sacks with twenty and pressures with seventy. What does that
mean They're going to force Baker Mayfield to play fast,
which is Greg ko Sell said this week he's already
doing now. I do think this is going to be
fairly low scoring, which worries me giving more than a
field goal. But I'll take the Steelers minus four to
win by a touchdown. I do think the Browns past

(11:32):
defense highly susceptible on the back end. I take the
Steelers minus four. One of the wise guys think quick
question though, when he said that about Baker being the
second worst. If you were hooked up to like a
lot attack that would you would It's second, like I've
been down real quick. No, it's great joy, That's what
I'm saying. It would have been like your emotions would
have overad Hey, listen, I agree with this pick, and

(11:55):
I agree with a handicap. You're right on. Let's talk
about Baker's limited haitians one, he's got a hurt rib, right,
So whatever Baker's been, there's a real chance he is
in one hundred percent physically in this game. Number two.
As you mentioned, I think quite astutely way back, he's
not the prototypical height, speed, athleticism. Well, he struggled when

(12:20):
there's been pressure up the middle. They've been running the
ball a ton. Pittsburgh has a great running defense. At
some point Baker's gonna have to throw, not be a
game manager. I think a hobbled Baker that's a real limitation.
Here's the thing about Pittsburgh. You can say whatever you
want about strength and schedule. I think it's a legitimate concern.
But the last time the Steelers were four and oh

(12:43):
was the seventies, Tomlin, and you've been right about him.
As a Steelers fan, I would say, is in certain
spots he's awesome, other times not as buttoned up. Maybe
last year taught him something. He's still a young guy, Tomlin,
maybe it taught him something because he had an amazing
year with Duck Hodges and various other quarterbacks. And maybe

(13:05):
now he realizes, you know, big Ben, this is it
for us year or two with him, let's do this thing.
They haven't had the flat spots like they typically do.
I don't think Pittsburgh is a through gazy or a fake.
I think this is one of the five best teams
in football. You're just laying a little more than a
field goal agreement. Pittsburgh Packers bucks started the lines change.

(13:28):
It's only green Bay minus one, so that feels like
a pick um to me. Here's why I'm gonna take
green Bay minus one. And I know there's a lot
of disagreement going back and forth because I haven't on
the internet this week. The Packers do three things really well. Offensively,
they leave the NFL and yards per play six point
eight yards. Their third down conversion rate they keep the
ball away from quarterbacks is top five, and their sack

(13:51):
differential rate is top three, meaning you don't get to aaron,
they get to yours. Meanwhile, Tampa isn't doing anything except
red zone offense. Well, they're undisciplined. Their protection has been average.
They're running the ball okay, and Mike Heavens and Chris
Godwin are both partially hobbled again this week. I think

(14:11):
it's a close game. I'm gonna take Green Bay by
a field goal. What do the wise guys think? Slight
agreement here? This is two way action and it's not
just sharp square, it's sharp versus sharp. So let's quickly
make the Tampa Bay point. Okay, they need this game more.
They got embarrassed on national TV, embarrassed at least by

(14:32):
losing the game. Though Tampa didn't play all that bat
against Chicago. They've had ten days to focus and Stu,
I hear you. What I also know is this, we'll
keep our running standings of quarterbacks forty three year older.
They're wins Vinny Tester verity to Tom Brady two. Tom
Brady will become the most winning forty three or older

(14:53):
quarterback in the history the NFL if he wins this game,
and it's just gonna be three games. He's an uncharted
ter oratory. Also, what do we know about Brady? It
takes him a while to integrate new pieces. A lot
of Patriots insiders say, you know Brady didn't throw to
some open receivers last year when he kept complaining about
playmakers because he didn't trust them. Well, you might have

(15:16):
a good pedigree, but as these wide receivers that's been
in and out, I think in three weeks, four weeks
then being health, he's gonna be a wonderful thing. Is
it perhaps an integration issue initially? Okay, Green Bay, let's
be candid. The most impressive team, if all you did
was look at the scores, most impressive team in the
NFL so far, you know what I think they are too.

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I don't know if they're the most dynamic, but RJ
what I think they are? R J Bell, Pregame dot Com,
Fox Sports Radio joining us. They are. They're the cleanest team.
They don't have something like Seattle and Tennessee are good
they had. They don't have a pass rush. If Baltimore
is good, doesn't play well from behind. Pittsburgh yards per
play very poor. The Packers do everything pretty well. They

(16:03):
don't have a liability to this point at least weakness
the best weakness. Maybe you could say I agree with you.
I think that what's happening here, Colin is green Bay
last year was way overrated the whole year. They might
have been a nine or even if you're optimistic, a
ten win team statistically, but they won thirteen. And everyone,

(16:26):
like my guy Phazi, he's always thinking, oh, last year
they were fake. They weren't as good as a record.
This year, the stats are really good. The last thing
I'll say is, and you've been talking some advanced metrics.
It's a wonderful thing, these advanced metrics because in the NFL,
sample size is low, so you've got to start looking
at per play, per play. Well, there hasn't been a

(16:48):
single turnover worthy play from Aaron Rodgers this year, meaning
he has no turnovers and he should have no turnovers.
That's amazing. Agreement, Packers, I got my biggest dog of
the week. I love Plus. We'll talk Monday Night football
Chiefs Bills next with RJ Belle at pregame dot Com.
All right, RJ, I've been doing favorites all week. I'm

(17:10):
gonna take the Niners Sunday Night Football plus three and
a half. And here's why that there's a sense right
now that the forty nine ers are just unraveling. But
their defense this year top five in yards allowed, top
five in passing yards allowed, and top three in passing
touchdowns allowed. They're still hard to throw on and can

(17:30):
still get a rush. And Garoppolo's never lost to the Rams.
He's three and oh he was a full participant in
practice this week. And by the way, their running game
and this is Kyle Shanahan strength Raheem Mostert one hundred
plus scrimmage yards in all three games. It's the biggest
game of the year for the Niners because this division
is so good. You lose this game and you really

(17:52):
have an uphill battle to be a wildcard team. And
I like San Francisco embarrassed on TV last week to
really he button it up, play well and upset the Rams. Here,
I'll take the three and a half. What would the
wise guys say biggest agreement of the week. Let's talk motivation.
I don't think uphill climbs the right word. I mean,

(18:13):
right now projections. I see Sam fran has a twenty
four percent chance to make the playoffs if they lose
this game. Where's that go? Right? Number two? The integration issue.
We talked about Tom Brady integrating new players, at least
for him. Well, Sam France had a lot of starters
that's had to step up. What tends to happen is
those guys get experienced even though they were second stringers,

(18:35):
and they get better and better as the season passes.
If it's like a long term replacement. Also, and I'll
give you credit, I was a little skeptical on this
two years ago. You were always on the idea that
Kyle Shanahan was actually a better potential great coach than McVeigh.

(18:55):
Not saying you took anything away from McVeigh, but you
were a Kyle guy. Well, historically when they faced each other,
Cow's done well as coordinators. Also, so two of the
best talents, young talents. I think Cow has mcvay's number
at least history says so. Last thing, and this is
how you know you have value. You could have bet

(19:16):
this game a week ago. So these early week aheadlines
are great because it isolates the one thing that changes
between that time and now is one game. Each team
has played. One game. Well, we know the forty nine
ers looked horrible. Okay, one game. The line a week
ago was San Francisco favored by three. Now they're three

(19:40):
and a half point underdogs. There is not a six
and a half point adjustment. Wow, yep, there's your there's
your Okay, so our bonus picked this week. And I
think this game's really hard to handicap. So what happens
when you love the defense last year Buffalo, and you
love a coaching staff, and your only question is the
quarterback Josh Allen And the quarterback gets really good. But

(20:00):
yet Buffalo's defense has fallen into the abyss. They're nineteenth
in yards allowed per play, their thirtieth and third down percentage.
The coach is still there, nine of the players will
still there. Is it just no preseason now? Kansas City's
off a loss, So my inclination is Andy reidoff a

(20:21):
loss will button things up. But it was really hard.
This is why I didn't put it in my Blazing five.
I love this staff. They have the same defensive personnel
as last year, but they're simply not playing well. Doesn't
it have to click after a really poor performance on
Tuesday Night football? I think, deep down I kindly Buffalo,

(20:44):
but I watched their defense and I don't know how
to handicap this game. Explain it to me, Yeah, this
is a great challenge, I think. And here's the thing
I can say unequivocally, Colin is the Buffalo Bills faced
the sneakiest horrible spot ever on Tuesday night. And I'll
be candid, I missed it before the game. I missed it,

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And this is what it was. When has there ever
been an NFL team that thirty six hours before a game,
potentially they didn't know who they were going to play
in the next couple of days, right, because it wasn't
announced to pass morning on Monday that for sure they
were going to play the game Tuesday. So who were
the Bills preparing for Sunday? Because they could have played

(21:30):
Tennessee on Tuesday, which I ended up doing, or this
game would have been on Thursday if Tennessee didn't play,
or if Tennessee game had gotten canceled against the Bills.
So the Bills were literally sitting there on Sunday saying,
we might play Tuesday, we might play Thursday, and know
by the way they might be different or they would
be different teams. Have you ever seen that? No one

(21:50):
I asked for NFL players, no one's ever seen it.
So to some degree, I think you kind of got
to give the Bills a break off of that horrible
Tuesday performance. All that said, I look at this situation
for the Bills and think it's also unattractive because now
they're on short rest. It's a Tuesday to Monday. We've

(22:12):
never seen this before. The one thing that keeps me
off of Kansas City though, And let me ask you,
other than the Baltimore game, what was the Chief's best
performance this year? So Houstonton, Chargers, Patriots, Raiders, they've struggled.
This is this is this is why I struggle to
handicap it. You beat you are you know you. Bill

(22:36):
Parcel says you are what your record is, But that
can sometimes be misleading because you can't have easier schedules.
Green Bay was thirteen and three last year but couldn't
beat physical teams. Kansas City keeps falling behind by double digits.
I don't think you can do that against well coached
teams like Buffalo. I just don't remember. Is there was
a time midyear last year on this pod that you

(22:59):
had into City out of your blazing five or I'm sorry,
out of your hurt hierarchy. And what I said at
the time was, Hey, we think that, and we said
Mahomes was hurt. The d is getting better. But let's
not forget it wasn't that long ago that they weren't
in your top ten just because they won that Super Bowl.
Imagine if they had lost to Tennessee in the championship

(23:21):
game and then they started this year this way, we'd
be like not even thinking about them. So all I'm
saying is I think the case could be made all
the Mahomes love, and I don't want to blame you
to give Nick Write a platform for that. I'm not
blaming you, but all of that Mahomes love from guys
like Nick Wright, maybe we got a little ahead of
ourselves there. So to me, there's two ways to look

(23:43):
at it, all right. R J Bell Pregame dot Com.
He's on Fox Sports Radio Monday through Friday for his insight. Everybody,
enjoy your weekend, Thanks RJ. Thank you. We like to
bring on different guests on Saturday, people we don't normally
have on the show for thoughtful conversations, and this week

(24:03):
it's Trevor Moad. Moad Consulting group, What do they do?
Mental Conditioning? He works with Russell Wilson. He's worked with
Nick Saban, Kirby Smart Georgia, Jimbo Fisher, Texas A and
M Sports Illustrated a couple of years ago called Trevor
the sports World's Best Brain Trainer came out with a

(24:24):
book last February called It Takes What It Takes How
to Think neutrallly and gain control of your life. So,
you know, Russell's very interesting Trevor in terms of a
student for you, right, like great religious conviction, very high IQ,

(24:45):
very driven. So some of those things he brought to
the table. Does it make it harder or easier when
you get somebody, because you know, the smarter people are,
they may have more questions, they may have more doubt.
M is Russell's basic genetic makeup, his brains, his religious conviction.

(25:08):
Did it make him an easier young person to work
with or more challenging? Well, Colin, it's great to join
you this Saturday morning and excited. Um. I think the
probably the unique thing is I've had a chance to
spend so much time. You know, I started at IMG Academy,

(25:29):
sort of the Hogwarts for athletes, and just south of Tampa, Florida,
working there in two thousand and so you're surrounded by
such an exceptional group of people. So for years, you know,
it's the Patrick Rafters, it's the Tommy Haas, it's the
Eli Mannings, Alex Smith's and and uh, you know just

(25:51):
the Nick Voltari's from the coaching perspective, the Mark McCormick,
you know, the founder of IMG. So you're you're in
a population of people that are great, that are always
sort of striving to be greater, um and crazy enough,
it's sort of counterintuitive, but that's the best population to

(26:11):
work with if you know you're you know as as
a teacher, as an educator, and you know, coming from
a family of educators. Um, if you're good at your
craft and you have a basic understanding of what you're teaching,
that's the best population because they're under the most pressure
a from the outside world to sustain that excellence and
then be internally to get better. Where average people and

(26:36):
more recreational mentalities are people that that um, you know,
don't think like a Russell, that are so well rounded
and so balanced. Um, you know, Russell Russell automatically put
that pressure on and was looking for you know what
the military calls the aggregate of marginal gains. You know,
like how do I aggregate, how to get a little
bit better at sleeping, how to get a little bit

(26:57):
better at my speed, how to get a little bit
better at my studying? How do I get a little
bit better about my mindset? So that made it? Did
he come with all the tools? Of course? I mean
almost every athlete that I've had a chance to work
with or coach, like Coach Saban or Coach Fisher or
Coach Smart, they're already exceptional. So you're just it's it's

(27:21):
you bring value in an area where they're looking for,
you know, something more refined relative to the expertise. Nick
Saban though generationally is different. Nick is older, Nick has patterns.
Is it more difficult to work with Let's saying Nick
Saban who's in his sixties than a Russell Wilson who
you may meet in his late twenties. You know, I

(27:44):
think what's unique about Russell us? I mean for myself
in my mid forties, Russell now in his early thirties. Uniquely,
we just also built a great friendship. You know, we're
Coach Saban, I would say my eight seasons working with him,
two thousand and six, I was with him with the Dolphins,
for about forty days that season consulting, and then you

(28:05):
know Alabama for really two thousand and seven to our
Clemson National Championship in two thousand and fifteen. Then I
went with Kirby Smart to Georgia. But it's different, you know,
I think with some of my Coach Saban, you have
a role. You've got to understand that role, and then

(28:25):
when you're called on. I lived in probably two percent
of his world calling. But I remember like if if
he would call and my wife and I were driving
in Florida down the road, it would just be kind
of police hold for Nick Saban, and I'd pull over
and I'd have a window of time where I would
talk to him, and then once I couldn't bring value,
then the conversation would end. And you know that was

(28:48):
so I had a specific role to execute for him.
But what I'll tell you is Coach Saban is probably,
you know, like Russell, an incredible person. I mean, when
my dad passed away, you know, Coach Saban was the
second person to call me right in the middle of practice.
I'd spent thirty minutes and two days earlier he'd turned down,

(29:09):
you know, going to lunch with President Bush and heard
all sorts of you know, a crap about that, and
those are some things that people don't know about him.
But but it's it's certainly different, you know, sixty eight
versus thirty one. There are generational differences, but the information
is what it is. It's agnostic. And then how do

(29:30):
you make it relate to Miami Dolphins or Alabama football?
And how can you support, you know, their mission. You know,
it's interesting. One of the things Russell often says, and
Trevor Moad is our guest the sports world's best brain trainer,
Russell talks about being neutral. He'll be talked to after

(29:52):
a game and he's very unique. He did it again
this past weekend where he didn't play particularly well and
then he was great when he had to be. He
just zoned in ye and football, yep, yeah, situational football.
Um is that part of your training? Are some people
just more they're just more built for that? Um? I

(30:12):
mean again, our our childhood. My childhood probably gives me
some you know, some weaknesses. It certainly made me willful
and driven, but I've got certain insecurities. Perhaps, Um, are
are there certain things with Russell that his ability to
focus in and stay Neutral. Let's talk a little bit

(30:34):
about that is much of it is obviously teaching, but
does some of it feel like a natural gift? Well,
I think, first of all, um, you know now, I
think since the book, and I mean for years, Kirby
and and and and and and Russ and others have
been talking about staying neutral and it just flies over everybody, right,

(30:56):
because the way we think of thinking in general as
you're either negative or positive. And for myself as an
educator who you know was was one of a handful
of people that was asked to to to do this
at Alabama for State Georgia. You know, there are no
Tony Robbins in sports. There is no self help industry

(31:18):
in the sports world. You either perform at the level
or you don't. Yeah, there's some coaches that provide some
resources and you know, we'll give you some things, but
at the end of the day, uh, you know, you
got to sustain the standard or you don't. And and
so and very few players are looking for help or
know what you know what help is. And from a

(31:38):
coaching perspective, you know, if you didn't grow up with
that type of educational platform in your coaching tree. Like,
let's say you're mentored under Tom Osborne and he didn't
have you know, some somebody that could educate in this way,
then you know you're never going to do a sports psychology.
Mental conditioning will never grow in sports, you know. So

(32:01):
it's it's a real niche sort of industry. And as
somebody that taught it for many years, you know, I
would travel from IMG Academy where as a director of
performance every Thursday through Sunday, you like, you can't bs
the athletic population, particularly the very best of the best
or the coaches. You have to speak the truth. And

(32:22):
positive thinking has really, in a lot of ways been
the reason that the self help industry hasn't grown. It
puts too much pressure on people to pretend something bad
didn't happen and quickly change psychological state to something that
doesn't feel organic to you at the time. You just

(32:43):
throw an interception, you've thrown four interceptions, you just went
through a divorce, you just got cut, you just got furloughed,
and getting there didn't make sense. So, but the data
around negative thinking is very clear, from the Mayo Clinic
to Cleveland clinic. You know, it's almost four to seven
times more powerful old than positive thinking. So in my
early origin a multiple of four to seven times, so

(33:05):
we're talking about forty to seventy times. So in my
early origins with coach Saban, with Coach Fisher, with Coach Smart,
we started to realize that eliminating negativity was much more
powerful than trying to increase positivity. And then if you
could eliminate negativity, which is carried most powerfully with your language,

(33:26):
when you say something out loud, it's ten times more
powerful than when you think it, and if it's negative,
it's a multiple four to seven times. So what we
found out, and this was the great thing about working
for people, you know, like Nick and Jimbo and with
athletes like Russell in places like IMG. You know, hey,
give us the most efficient, effective, quickest way to help.

(33:48):
You know, we don't have twenty five days or NC
DOUBLEA only gives you twenty plus hours. So we really
put the focus on our right, how do we minimize negativity,
how do we minimize the language? We could get athletes
to buy into, you know, not saying stupid things out loud,
and then secondly, you know, not consuming social media and

(34:08):
the wrong types of things. You know, our verbalization and
our consumption of negativity are always in our control for
the most part, and that's where they're carried. So we
found a middle ground callum, which I just started, you know,
going to neutral really and more in about twenty fifteen.
And when I went with Kirby Smart to Georgia, I said, hey,

(34:31):
I just really want to focus on teaching kind of
this concept in addition to you know, obviously the other
things setting goals and and you know, how you form
a habit and the habit forms you, and all the
basic things of you know, the case studies of let's
study you same Bolt, Let's study Drake. We did all
that stuff with our players. Let's study you know, Mark Zuckerberg.

(34:52):
How do great people become great? What happens to certain
athletes that should have made it who didn't, And that's
kind of what we always built up time in for.
And then I think, you know, we went to this
idea of neutral. A car goes backwards and then it
goes forwards, but in the middle it gets to neutral.
So the idea of neutral is that the past is real,
but it's not predictive. So positive thinking for many people

(35:16):
makes them feel like the past isn't real and it
is real, you know. And so ultimately that's where I
think the acceptance of Like Russell, I think that the
twenty fourteen NFC Championships a great example of his thinking
of how he got to neutral. Yes, I've thrown four picks.
I'm not gonna lie and say that we've won. You

(35:37):
know we're gonna win this game, but I am going
to focus on what we can do next. That's why
in that ninety six yard drive, he knew he threw
the interception, he was accountable for it, but it wasn't
predictive of the next drive if he did something different.
And so that's where this idea of neutral thinking and
our athletes have gravitated towards it. It's obviously not real,

(36:00):
as the world only looks at things through positive and negative.
But for years and we've been teaching neutral thinking, and
Russell was born truthfully a neutral thinker. Trevor moyad is
joining us a mental coach to Russell Wilson. He actually is.
They recently formed Limitless Minds Yes to both optimize performance

(36:21):
and enriched culture within some of the world's top organizations
and elite performers. I want to go back to not
verbalizing negative thoughts because the impact they have. You have
a story in regard like Bill Buckner's a classic example
of a really really good baseball player who had a
really really bad moment yep, and the effect it had

(36:42):
on him, and talk a little bit about like not
verbalizing negative thoughts and Bill Buckner in the story there. Yeah,
So it was interesting. Jeremy Shapp was doing a piece,
you know, a few years ago, and they were going
back through that eighty six World Series and an interview
popped up that you know, no one had really seen

(37:03):
it until nineteen ninety five, and it was from a
local station in Boston, and Buckner was being interviewed and
obviously eight time Gold Glove, you know, six time All
Star and a really really good player, and you know,
he said, obviously the dreams are you know, you want
to win the World Series, but truthfully, my nightmare is
to let the game winning run score on a groundball

(37:26):
through my legs. And you know, now by by verbalizing
that he didn't make it happen. But if you look
at the statistics, he increased the probability maybe by forty
to seventy times that it would happen. You know, it's
a subconscious plant. And literally if people understand, like, one

(37:46):
of the great things about Russell is not the positivity,
it's the fact that he never goes negative. And everybody's
mind calling has negative thoughts like you can't change that,
and met itation tries to work on that, and you know, mindfulness,
which is kind of this new brand that's out there,

(38:07):
I think in the business world. But if people could
be just less negative in the areas that they control,
they would never need to be more positive. And I
think that just by not saying that Buckner, it didn't
mean he would be the MVP, but by putting it
out there, he increased the probability would happen. And that's

(38:28):
kind of always been our goal at Georgia and these
other places from the psychological side, is just let's do
the simple things better. Let's minimize the controllable negativity. We
control social media. When we get to the parking lot,
we're going to put our phone away, We're not going
to engage our phone until you know, we get to
the locker rooms, so we can have just you know,

(38:50):
do these basic things and then we're not going to
talk about the heat, but we're not going to tell
you that it's not there. You know, We're just not
going to verbalize. We're not going to complain about being
at LSU. We know how hard it is, you know.
And it's the same thing with Rush from that perspective,
and like you mentioned, limitless minds, we're teaching how do
you get to neutral, you know, by really being mindful

(39:13):
of what you're saying out loud and then ultimately accepting
that when you make mistakes or when you're successful, you
own that. But there is no momentum based you know,
outside of what you do next. So just because you
threw an interception Chris Carson runs one way whatever you know,
or the opening drivers to do England Patriots, that happened,

(39:35):
that's real. Why what's the truth? Take the judgment out,
take the bias. What's the truth? All right? And are
there consequences? You know? But when I get the ball next,
what am I going to do different? You know? And
I just think that it's simple and it's basic. But
you know, the authotic population Colin, that's all you know,
they're not looking for complicated and they've got a minimal

(39:55):
amount of time to get in, make their money, and
get out. His book came out last year. It takes
what it takes how to think neutrally and gain control
of your life. Trevor Moad joining us. You know, it's
interesting is there's a little low level anxiety in my
family and I don't sense it a lot, but occasionally

(40:17):
if I have a big trip plan with my family,
I can almost make myself sick, like I just don't
feel good. I stress about it and I'll just ask
you a personal question, personalize it for our audience listening.
So it's not that I'm afraid of flying. I'm not.
You know, I fly all the time, but I do.

(40:39):
And I'm gonna have kids. I'm gonna have stress. They're
gonna be you know, I'm not really stressing about the
finances of it, but there is something about big trips
that stress me out. If I'm doing a big family
trip and it can affect me, it can it can
put me in a mood, I can get snippy. And

(40:59):
how ideal with that? How would Trevor Moad help me
solve that? Well? You know, I think the first thing
is you got to go, like to the fundamentals of thinking.
And that's where just the language and what you say
out loud and all those things, like you know, as
you get ready for a trip, do you find yourself
you know, like a certain group of people that you

(41:20):
talk to and you're externalizing you know that, man, every
time I have a trip, I feel this way, or
or anytime we go to Hawaii or Mexico. You know,
you know, do you have kind of a collective group
of people that maybe you externalize that too, Because that's
the first thing that you could just just stop, you know,

(41:40):
before a trip, I'm not going to have a conversation
with my wife or my kids about you know, about
that anxiety or the fact that that's been true you
know X amount of times up until this particular trip,
Like you know. Then I think the second thing is
like what's the truth? How do the trips work out?
You know, like like let's just you know, take the

(42:01):
judgment out of it, because there there's just there is
natural anxiety when you're traveling with other people and people
you love and you care for and when you get
on a plane and all those things you know, which
you just accept, but take the judgment out. How did
the trips usually work out and you want to just
go to the truth and you say, you know what,
most of the time they work out really well, you know,

(42:21):
And then and then I think the hard part is
when you're trying to tell yourself to be different and
to be excited. Like, let's just you know, when you
plan a trip, you have anxiety and there's things that
you worry about, and that's okay, like it's just a
matter of but going to the truth, how did the
trips typically work out? And and are you making it

(42:44):
worse by talking about it? Um which will you know,
only increase It's the same thing you see right now.
I mean I literally disabled my cable you know, three
minutes of cable news before nine am increases your probability
by twenty seven percent. The'll say you have a terrible day.

(43:04):
According to University of Pennsylvania, you know, and in cable
news it's not right or wrong, it's not bad. But
they understand the statistics of negativity. We're just wired to
receive negativity more. And as you talk to yourself, man,
what if this goes wrong, what if this goes wrong,
your mind, you know, just catastrophizes, you know, Trevor, by
joining us it's interesting you. I would imagine at some

(43:28):
point a lot of Americans struggle with sleep. Yeah. I
tend to be a six and a half hours hard
that's it. Six hours. I'm done at four o'clock in
the morning, staring at the ceiling. But I'm a great napper.
I can nap every day fifteen twenty minutes. I refreshes me.
I'm great. But for people that struggle with sleep, you know,
don't don't be on your devices an hour before bad,

(43:50):
don't do caffeine after five at night. But how much
of it is mental? How much is talking yourself in?
Can you talk yourself into a good night's sleep? Well,
like you said, there's a whole science right now, you know,
it's uh sleep hygiene, and and there are things that
you can do in terms of you know, a dark
room and a shower before you go to bed, and

(44:12):
make sure the lights you know, like you want to.
I mean, so much of our success is just based
on like the clues that other people have followed, you know,
that have made them successful. I mean, Russ and I
spend so much time studying other successful people. I always
put videos and different things together for him from sports

(44:32):
century and specials on Fox and specials on ESPN and PBS,
and you know, presidents and different types of things. So
you know, like, what are the characteristics of good sleeping?
And am I doing that? Number one? And I think
you know, secondly, um the with the fatigue science and
the sleep hygiene. Um. I think the more we talk

(44:55):
about uh, not being a good sleeper, like, you're not
born a good sleeper. You're not born a winner, you're
not born a great radio show host. You're not like
like it's a it's a collection of things you do,
which also means if you if you want something different,
it could be a collection of things that you don't do.
So you know, what I tell people is so many

(45:17):
people think a great athlete is all these things they do.
To me, what makes an incredible athlete, particularly someone like
Russ is what he's willing not to do. What he
doesn't go to on his phone, he what he doesn't eat,
how late he doesn't stay up, you know, all these
these choices. I think so many people's lives could change

(45:38):
if they just stopped doing certain things. And the self
help industry has always been do this right this, get
up at you know, in journal for thirty minutes. I'm
not journaling for thirty minutes, like I know myself, yeah,
you know, and the population I deal with isn't doing
that either, you know now now maybe you know these
other you know, business psychologist people's population is doing that,

(46:01):
which is why Limitless Minds was formed. I think to
take this, you know, to the B two C to
a bigger Seattle community, in a more national community with Russell,
his brother Harry and DJ and myself and scaling it
and then also getting into education. Chris Herron and I've
talked about this for years, like why you know, why

(46:22):
am I studying this Isophles triangle or this rhombus you know,
when I should be learning these basic fundamentals relative to
my mind. But but I think, you know, ultimately the
point is do what people who sleep well do and
and uh, you know, like with your if your TV
like it was crazy, no con because because like I said,

(46:44):
my dad, you know, grew up in Seattle, and my
dad was a coach at Central Kitsap for many years
and then Clover Park High School and then left in
the mid seventies with lou Tice, who was Pete Carroll's
mentor at the Pacific Institute, and they got into this.
They were all basketball and football coaches, and they started
this education of peak performance. And you know, I don't

(47:06):
even know what to call it, brain training, life coaching,
sports psychology, mental conditioning. And you know, because the average
employee at an eight and a half hour workday had
four hours of productivity and if the employee was going
through emotional issues, it was one point five hours of
productivity and not seventeen percent effectiveness. And companies even in

(47:27):
the seventies and early eighties, like Boeing and McDonald douglas
and a lot of the big ones, particularly in the Northwest,
were we need help. And so some of these coaches
from the sports world put together these you know, game
plans just based on simple fundamentals, you know, And I
just think that that's where like when it comes to

(47:47):
just a long winded way of answering, I apologize, But
when it comes to sleeping, well, you know, it's obviously
you can take pills and you can do other things,
but so much of it is just getting behind the
behavior of people that sleep well. And then if it's
a more clinical issue, then obviously you deal with it
and psychologically that was what I loved about. You know,

(48:07):
my experience at Alabama. The psychological architecture was really well layered.
You know, you had clinical support, you had motivational speakers,
you had more self esteem based kind of like more
broad spoken, and then you had a profiler. You know,
you had all these different layers. And you know, Nick
Saban's got six people and you have to be, you know,

(48:29):
really good at what you do those six people. And
there's not one Division one college coach who has won,
and he had six in two thousand and eight, you know,
and and and it's always kind of been a niche
competitive advantage. And Russell is, like you said, you don't
need to be sick to get better, you know, and

(48:49):
he understands that, but he's somebody. He's the last thing
in the world he needs, Colin is me. He's wired
that way. The guy was doing speeches, you know, to
his family in a podium at eight years old. You know,
this is a guy who is already exceptional. Obviously, he's
had his adversity playing for you know, coach Osborne and
saying go play dB and you know, transferring all that

(49:12):
stuff with his height. But he's wired right, And yet
he wants to get even better in those areas. And
he also understands the concept of margin for error. You know,
he's got to do everything right, so he does, you know,
and margin for error. When I was working for the
Memphis Grizzlies, Vince Carter, I remember, you know, we had

(49:33):
a great conversation. He's a big four state football fan,
and we're just talking about young athletes, and he just said,
the problem is they think they can do anything they
want and still be good. And I was like, what,
what do you mean. He's like, the choices are made
for you if you want to play at a certain level,
if you want to be thirty nine and still play.
You know, I'm not eating fast food, I'm lifting the

(49:55):
day of games. I'm dunking less so i can get
back on defense faster, and I'm sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber.
Those decisions are made for me. They're not right or wrong.
If I don't do those, I'm not going to play
at thirty nine, which is fine. If I do do those,
I got a chance. And that's where I think with
Russ and nine and the psychology, it's always been are
we doing the like football? The rules are agnostic, follow

(50:19):
them or you don't. And that's what people always asking me.
Pete Carroll, Nick Saban. I think you and you know
they're good friends. Obviously, what Pete does is we got
all the resources for you. You want to use them, great,
you don't, okay, but when you get to practice, you
better perform at this level. Where I think Coach Saban is,
we got all the resources and you're going to use them,

(50:41):
you know, and we're not going to give you a
chance to not maximize your best. And then when the
standard is going to be the same, Pete's gonna, you know,
have all those same resources Coach Saban has, but he's
going to allow you the flexibility to opt in or
opt out and either way, you know, are you doing it?
And that's where I think the idea that takes what
it takes I really got from Vince that there are

(51:03):
no choices once you've made a decision to be exceptional
and all challenge us at times, and he'll challenge me
at different times, you know, in terms of you know,
are we doing everything that we can to be the
very best that you can be? And the fun thing
about Russ is, you know that's kind of in his
DNA just to do that. But he's looking for people

(51:26):
to be guardrails to help support that vision in his
life because he knows. I've been around Nick and Jimbo
and at IMG for tons of years and had a
chance to watch the Sharapova's you know, from eleven years
old on. You know, we had a time calling where
like literally on the campus in Braydons and Florida, like

(51:46):
within like three dorms and practice fields of each other.
Was you know, Michael Beasley, Maria Sharapova, Michelle Wee, Paula Kramer,
Freddie Ado, and you know they're all thirteen, fourteen, fifteen
years old old, and you know, you just and then
I can the von Lendo will walk in and just
have conversations who's gonna make it, who isn't going to

(52:06):
make it? You know, And I remember having this conversation
with the von Lendo and he's just like, well, with
Paula Kramer, you know, she's she's gone through this more organically,
so she's been allowed to win tournaments and play and
lose tournaments. Shehelle, We's got all this. She hasn't had
the time to figure out how to win. You know
or lose or learn, you know, in the same way.
So she's probably going to struggle more. And Freddie dos

(52:29):
this and you but you know, having a conversation with
the von Lendo, it was just all these simple things.
So I think that that's where Russell really understands what
are the basic things that I can do that are
going to control what I can control and and and
he's just been so good at that. And your talent

(52:49):
takes over in the complicated, you know, whether you're in
a radio show or um on a trip with your
family or you know, two minutes ago, Fourth Order facing
Kirk Cousins in a rainstorm. Trevor Moadd's a mental conditioning
expert and strategic advisor mental coach to Russell Wilson. He's

(53:09):
got a book It takes what it takes how to
think NEUTRALI and gain control of your life. Yeah, it
is interesting, whereas the Tony Robbins is sort of you know,
it's a and I do think it can be impactful.
When I look at a Tony Robbins, it feels that
it works for a short time. I'm more about duration.

(53:33):
When I first got into this business, there were a
lot of people that were popular. But to me, Bob
Costas was smart and that would last longer than a
stick or a style. Those go out smart never goes out.
Same with Johnny Carson. Johnny Carson just had good timing,
he was funny, he was bright, So to me, that

(53:53):
would never go out of style. So, as a young broadcaster,
I was never into the kind of hot, popular meteorite
in my business. I was, you know, nothing against Terry
Carey or you know, I don't even need to mention
certain people in radio who had a stick. Yeah, yeah,
But to me, it was always about if you're smart,
you'll last, if you're thoughtful you'll last. Um, you know,

(54:15):
It's just it's just nothing against Tony Robbins because I've
I've I've watched that and I've I've I dealt with
a life coach years ago who got me through a
tough time, and I've done therapy in my life. If
I could ask this, what's the difference between going to
a therapist and I've done that a dozen times in
my life and it's got me through tough spots and
Trevor Moad what's the biggest difference. Yeah, I would say

(54:37):
there's a there's a skill set difference. I think for sure, um,
you know, relative to like the protocol that you're going
to be put through and the way you're going to
be trained. I would say my skill set is more
of an educator, like a teacher who's teaching the concepts

(54:57):
more broadly, like a class and you know enter like
my dad would call it edutainment, but but more of like, um,
this is how we learn, this is how we process information,
this is how uh, and the outside opinions of us
impact us. There one tenth is powerful. Our opinion of
ourself is ten times more powerful. Like I would say,

(55:20):
I'm a lot more of the self esteem, like the
fundamentals of thinking and education, where a therapist has has
more of an exploratory they may have a similar foundation,
um to myself, but more of individualized protocol that they're
going to follow. Many can can prescribe medicine. I can't. Um,

(55:43):
and uh, you know my masters is in education and
social sciences. Um, so I think it's more of a
clinical I mean, what does clinical mean? Just just more
of there could be a problem that's more uh, you know,
trait based or something that you're born with that they

(56:04):
have a unique expertise to help you work through or
in a relationship that they have an expertise and a
series of protocols that all right, if you guys aren't
talking anymore, then this is a set of things that
you can follow based upon the expertise I have where

(56:25):
I think that you know from my perspective, and I
don't think one's better or worse, it's just different. That's
why I believe ultimately a great program will kind of
have layers. The reason the industry, I think is so
you know struggles is you know, nobody can really get
jobs in sports on the sports psychology side, or it's

(56:47):
really tough to get relevant. You know, My biggest what
I'm most proud of is not that you know, oh,
I work with Russell Wilson, but that I've had a
chance to be relevant in his life and at different
you know moments at Alabamaford, State of Georgia. I mean,
what my part is so much smaller than all the
other parts, or with melt Tucker now at Michigan State,

(57:10):
but in specific moments, I have my window where I've
got to carry my weight, and you know, I've been
given those opportunities. I'll never forget, you know. I'm with
Maria Taylor comes by in uh, we're getting ready to
play the Rose Bowl Georgia versus Oklahoma a couple of
years ago in California, and I'm with Jake from in

(57:33):
the morning and we're getting ready to have a conversation
like just what we normally do. It's not clinical. We're
we have a specific thing that we're gonna watch on video.
Then we're gonna talk and we're gonna go through our things,
just kind of our normal protocol. No difference than i'd
do with Russ on a Thursday. And she sees me
and she's like, what's wrong with him and what's going on?
And obviously she is a Georgia alam and and I'm like, man,

(57:54):
this is what we do everything, you know, every every
morning before the game. And I actually got Jake on
the own with Jamis Winston and I just said, hey, look,
I want you to, you know, if you're open have
this conversation. He's the only eight other eighteen year old
that's played in the Rose Bowl. So whatever your conversation is,
you know, let you two talk. And then ultimately and

(58:15):
I showed him the final drive Jamis had to beat Auburn,
and I'd call Jamis and Jamis said, hey, it's great
for sure, you know, because I had done the same thing.
Russell had gotten on the phone with Jamis before we
played the National Championship and so you know, little things
like that, and Jamis had a great conversation. And surprisingly enough,
Jake had to leave a game winning drive or a

(58:37):
game tying drive at the end of the Rose Bowl.
I think that that's just more education, that's more connecting,
that's more synergizing, and you know, and then it's a
lifetime for me of being raised. I'm at a seminar
every night at dinner calling growing up with my dad,
you know, and it was just an interesting thing. And

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it's the toughest thing for me is positive thing I
just never really bought into, even with the dad who
was the president of the National Association for Self Esteem.
But I knew negative thinking was wrong. So I think
all my life I was searching for this middle ground
called neutral. And now our goal is, you know, how
do we help more people get to that place, because
in twenty twenty, it's going to be easier to get

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to neutral than to get to a positive place. That's
just that's just the reality with the world we're living in.
Trevor mo had been a pleasure our Saturday podcast. Thanks
everybody so much for listening. MOAD Consulting Group. The book
is it takes what it takes? How do think NEUTRALI
and gain control of your life? Loved it, Trevor, and
he is a Washington State high school background, the Great

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Charles Right Academy where rat Academy where my friend Dean
Braun who's been dealing with my finances and running my
financial life for thirty years since I went to college
with him. He is. What are they It's called Charles Right.
What's the what's the name of the team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well,
first of all, also let me mention Russell and our
company Limitless Minds that think bigdeshgofar dot com check that out.

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But the Charles Wright terriers, terriers, terriers, people working on
a railroad. Colin Listen man a pleasure, A huge fan.
And I love how you've stood the test of time
and been able to stay really relevant and so just
having the opportunity to come on on a Saturday and
for you to do something that's just a little bit different,

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truly honored, and also as a Washington team. All right,
thanks Trevor, thank you.