Colin Kaepernick, Packers, LeBron James, arm talent

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I'm great. Happy birthday to Shannon Sharp. He's not in
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kept me honest with the birthdays. Really like Facebook, It's
very it's crucial. Congratulations on getting older, Shannon Sharp. It's
a big milestone for all of us. He's one day older.
Birthday today day wo Hi, lots of one family, a
lot of people getting closer to the end. It's great. So, um,

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let me start with this. If you listen to me
for any length of time, you know I bounced around
the country. I grew up in a non traditional childhood.
We didn't go to church. I'm agnostic. Don't have a
problem being authentic about that. In America today, if you
are willing to sort of evolve or change, you get
called woke. And there are some people I think you're

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a little wokey. But some of us are just more comfortable. Now,
I'm not blaming you if you like comfort. Some of
you have grown up in the same town, You've worked
for the same company, you've been in the same zip code.
You still hang out with your same high school college friends.
There is nothing wrong with that. That is not my
life experience. I have moved for commerce, I've moved for opportunity,

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and you know, a lot of you would go, oh,
that's sad, And I'm like, I have so many cool
people in my life that I would have never met
had I not lived in Tampa, had I not lived
in Connecticut. I never thought I'd live in rural Connecticut.
It's fantastic. It's a whole new way of life. I
never thought i'd live in Los Angeles, Las Vegas. I

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lived in the Pacific Northwest. It's a total gift. But
I'm not saying your experience is any less. But I
don't think it's necessarily any more. I've been given opportunities,
met people, had great relationships formed that I'd never have
stayed in the same hometown. So I am really comfortable
with change, and I'm really comfortable with cultural change because

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I've always felt I'm a surfer. Life's a wave. Just
ride the momentum where it's going. I don't fight the wave.
When I first moved to Manhattan Beach, I go down
with a coffee to the pier and I'd sit there
forty five minutes every Saturday, and I'd watch all these
surfers on the waves, and the better the surfer, though
rarely they jumped into a wave, they waited for the

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perfect wave. Why waste your time on a bad wave?
And so I think about this story this morning that
Colin Kaepernick is drawing interest from several teams. Well, if
it's interests from Doug Moron, I feel bad for him.
If it's interests from John Harbaugh, good for him. What's
the team, what's the coach. There's a big difference in
a big gap in this league. But a lot of
this Colin Kaepernick story is about people that don't like change,

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and I'm really comfortable with change now. When Kaepernick first
came out, my takeaway was, I don't know if I
like anybody in America, black white man, woman taking their
activism to work. I would never bring a picket sign
to Fox Sports or my former employer. So I said,
you know, all these platforms, Nike, can't you take your activism?

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But I can certainly be argued out of that point.
I think I think my point's legitimate. Others disagree. But
here's the thing, all you, I'm going to protest, boycott
people on this. You lost on the Kaepernick one. You
just gotta own it. Now, you gotta own it. Like
my dad had a drinking problem, he got over it

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for a while because he admitted he had a problem
the boycott Kaepernick crowd. You lost. How do I know
you lost? Because Nike used him and the stock went up.
And according to studies, Black Lives Matter is supported by
not only Democrats but conservatives. Yep, I read it this morning.
Two thirds of America support Black Lives Matter. That means

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some conservatives, due to the NFL has gone back to Kaepernick,
embracing him, meaning the boycott won't matter, according to a
survey I read yesterday. And I don't know how much
I believe in polls, but they're usually historically accurate. Donald
Trump will be out in November. And oh, by the way,
the boycott crowd with Kaepernick. For the first time ever

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in the history of television o H viewers will count.
What's that? Out of home viewers? Every barn American now
on Sunday will count toward our viewers and our ratings.
That's never happened before. People are suggesting the NFL will
get an eight to a fifteen percent bump. So even
at fifteen to twenty percent of law left doesn't matter.

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Ratings aren't going down. You lost on this. I don't
think you're all bad people. But I think certain people
are just born rigid. They're born traditional, They're born in
the same town. Forty percent of America never leaves their mom.
They stay in the same area code as their mom.

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I'm not saying it's bad if you grew up and
your family's got a lot of land, or it's got
a good business and you want to stay around it
and you got a lot of cousins close by. That's
not my life experience. But I think I think it's
very easy for me and it has been, to move
off stuff. I don't consider it necessarily woke. I just
consider it like, here's a better wave, let's jump on it.
Why fight it? But the boycott Kaepernick crowd, According to

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this story, Nike proved he's actually pretty good for business,
and the NFL is going to prove this year no
one player makes us or break us. Peyton Manning retired,
Brett Farve retired, Patrick Mahomes gonna retire tomorrow. I think
Patrick Mahomes is gonna ruin the league. It won't be
as fun. I hope he doesn't. Kaepernick was never gonna

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make the league and he was never going to break
the league. And I said this the other day. It
could have been this week or last week. I said,
I'm boycotting the boycotting crowd on everything. Everybody's boycotting everything. Now,
I'm a bad boycotter. I boycotted coffee and two days
later I went back to drinking it. I'm a lousy
boycotter because I just like what I like and I'm
not gonna let you ruin my life or politics change

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my consumption patterns. I'm not gonna let politics and that
TV host and I always laugh when people say I
won't watch that show. It's got Alec Baldwin on it.
He's a liberal. Into that. I say, every show you
watch on Netflix has been written and directed by liberals.
It's Hollywood. You do get they all live in Hollywood.
Just turn television off theen than boycott it. But if

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I have to lose ten to twelve percent of my audience,
you know what I do. I watch my numbers and
my podcast ratings go up ten to twelve percent a year.
Who younger people who sometimes just happened to be a
little more tolerant. But the boycott crowd on Kaepernick, you
gotta own this. You lost it. Nike up Nascar ratings Monday.

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Confederate Flag's gone up on a Monday three Eastern. It
wasn't even on the day it was scheduled to happen.
NFL ratings, They're gonna go up. Everybody's gonna embrace him.
The League's embracing him. Black Lives Matter supported by two
thirds of Americans. Oh eight tradings up Trump, according to
polls out Sometimes you just got to admit. I know

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you want to believe. You wake up in the morning,
you want to believe you're gonna win all your arguments
and all your boycotts and all your debates. You lost
that one, all right. Yesterday Brandon Marshall came on the show,
Great wide receiver, six time Pro bowler with the New
York Jets, and we got into some discussion about a
bunch of different topics, and he has great opinions. He's
one of those guys that'll segue pretty easily into broadcasting.

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And we started talking about Aaron Rodgers and I was
kind of defending Green Baythy organization, and we were talking
to Aaron Rodgers and Brandon Marshall said, this it's too late.
Come on, man, they sort have won two Super Bowls.
In the last five years. You to me, Aaron Rodgers
is my favorite quarterback in the NFL, but you wasted
this guy's career. You got one Super Bowl out of

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Aaron Rodgers. Are you kidding me? It's too late, It's
too late. Let me say this, it's interesting. If you
were to create the NFL today, there were no teams
in no history. You do realize we would not put
a team in Green Bay. There's one hundred and four
thousand people, there's no owner. But like many businesses in America,

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it's been grandfathered in in my childhood, and I count
my childhood. I started watching TV at seven to eight
years old in nineteen seventy two. First game I remember
was Wilt Chamberlain wearing a headband for the Lakers against
the Portland Trailblazers. The other game I remember was the
nineteen seventy two Super Bowl with Yarrow your premium and
of the Miami Dolphins beating of the Washington Redskins like

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fourteen nothing or fourteen three or fourteen seven or something
like that. I can name ninety percent of the players
in that game, Jim Kick, Larry Zonka, Bob Graycy Paul Warfield,
Charlie Taylor, Billy Kilmer, I can name them all, Diron, Talbert,
Chris Hammerger Pat Fisher, I can go ours. I know
Goolays rolling his eyes at me. The first time I
started watching TV was about seven to eight years old,

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and then if you go the next twelve years, then
I'm nineteen years old, you know, twenty years old. But
childhood's over right now, I'm going to college and stuff.
The Green Bay Packers were atrocious for all those years.
They were irrelevant from like sixty eight to ninety two.
They were just junk. They would we would never put
them in the league today if you started over. But

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they've been grandfathered in. And frankly we should look at
the Green Bay Packers and Marvel and how good they've been.
They're the post Office of professional sports teams. If the
world there was never been a post office and all
the forms of communication were available today, nobody would choose

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the post office. Let's see, I'm gonna write a long
letter that takes me a half hour. Then I'm gonna
grab a piece of paper, lick it, jam the paper,
and there put it in a stamp. Either drive it
to the post office or go to the mailbox, wait
for seven days until it lands somewhere. They open it up,
and then they call me on their rotary phone that
that's not The post office doesn't make any sense today.

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But it's grandfathered in. It's part of the country, and
some people use it. But it makes no sense. I mean,
I can just put something on my door. Ups comes
boom out, FedEx comes boom out. Post office packers. You
would not even create the post office today. You would
not create the packers today. I don't think Aaron Rodgers

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has been underserved or overserved. I think the Green Bay
Packers flourishing is a testament to their fans, is a
testament to the NFL. Is a remarkable American business story.
The fact that a team in a town of one
hundred thousand people with no owner, lousy weather, bad free

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agent attraction, players have virtually no privacy. If they played there,
and they still get a bunch of good players and
a bunch of Pro Bowls star receivers, Brett Farvet Rodgers
and those guys resign there and they stay there and
they want to play there forever, Green Bay's a success story.
If they finish the season, the post office is a

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success story. If four people in America go to it
today and my mom was one of them, I don't
think Aaron Rodgers has been underserved. I just think the
story there is uniquely American. Coming up next, Lord, it's Friday,
I'm gonna say something else nice about the Cleveland Browns

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that's coming up. Plus Chris Bruce are this hour. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in
noon Easter nine a Empacific on Fox Sports Radio FS
one and the iHeartRadio app. Two things Americans love almost universally,
guacamole and Colins fake press conferences. All have one of
those in forty minutes. From time to time, a coach

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or a player can't get through a press conference without
screwing up. And I don't understand it. Press conferences are
not hard. Just know the one or two really difficult
questions that are coming, and you can move around all
the orange cones and all the difficulty. So no guacamoti
Top of the Hour, Eric Mangini, Top of the Hour.
But Colin's next fake press conference joining us so last year.

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I mean, let's be honest about this. Most of you
have Pom Poms, you're little fanboys and uncle Colin comes in.
I'm the grown up without the emotion, and I tell
you what's going to happen, and you fight and yelling, scream,
and I'm always right. And so with Cleveland last year,
it was like embarrassing, like I just pounded you all
year long and I said, they're not going to be
a playoff team. You're gonna be under five hundred. And

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it wasn't that difficult. This year, I'm like, yes, you're
gonna be above five hundred. It's very obvious, and I'll
tell you why. So PFF came out with the strongest
and the weakest schedules. Now every year when the schedules
get released, I make a big deal out of it,
and all of you push back and say it doesn't matter,
you're wrong. Schedules matter. So PF says the Browns Arizona
and Baltimore have the easiest schedules, toughest, or Atlantic Carolina

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in Vegas. So let's take the Cleveland Browns because that's
the team I talk about a lot, and everybody thinks
them always wrong, although I'm I'm always right. So last year, Cleveland,
this is why I said Cleveland wouldn't work. And I
could not believe all the media people that bought into
the nonsense. It was like the Tim Tebow story. The
media doesn't want to get any pushback on Twitter, so
it's like Tebow's God, it's Dubai. Tebow can't quarterback in

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the NFL. He can't throw it all. Stop it. Believe
in your convictions, especially if you're right, and so Tebo
can't play in the NFL. Had ninety percent of the
media just just caved on that, and ninety percent of
the media caved on Cleveland. It was real easy. Why
they weren't gonna win. Baker was in his first full
year of starting. Freddie Kitchens was in his first year

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as a head coach even at high school, and the
weakness of the team was the offensive line. If you
went to their schedule, here's the coaches. Seven of the
eight coaches they faced last year to start the season,
Mike Rabel, Sean McVeigh, John Harbaugh, Kyle Shannahan, Pete Carroll,
Bill Belichick, and Vic Fangio, who I think is a
great defensive coach. They were gonna get the hell knocked

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out of him. It was the easiest prediction I ever made,
and I also told you they'll get real hot at
the end of the year, which they sort of did.
The reason I like Cleveland this year, go and look
at the first coaches they face, after John Harbaugh. It's
Zach Taylor. I don't know if he's a good coach
with a rookie quarterback, Ron Rivera implementing a new system

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with Dwayne Haskins, I don't know if he's a good quarterback.
Mike McCarthy and Dak they've never worked together before. Frank
Reich and Philip Rivers, they've never worked together before. Two
weeks later, Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow, they've never worked
together before. And then it's John Gruden and Derek Carr.
I don't even sure they get along. Cleveland's gonna win

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a bunch of games this year. They're gonna go nine
and seven or ten and six, just like last year.
I said they'd go seven and nine or six and ten.
This is an easy one. If you don't have a
superstar quarterback, and Baker's not a superstar quarterback, it becomes
really important to get a scheduling break. If you got wins,
if you got Mahomes, if you got Wilson, if you

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got Lamar, you know you got Aaron Rodgers. The schedules
not something I spend tons of time on. But when
you have Sam Darnold, Derek Carr, Baker, Mayfield, Kirk Cousins,
I pay attention to the schedule, those games are gonna
be inches, not feet. Cleveland will be good, and they'll
be as long as the numbers balance out a playoff

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team this year. They're not gonna beat Baltimore. I think
they'll beat Pittsburgh. They'll beat in that playoff thing. You know,
if they miss, it's their nine and seven and they
lose some tiebreaker. But this stuff isn't difficult. Schedules matter,
especially if you don't have Patrick Mahomes at quarterback or
Russell Wilson. Joey Taylor of the news, no, no turn
on the news. This is the herd line News. So

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I don't know. I don't know who this rebel. Tom
Brady is. Rebel rebel. He's continued to host workouts with
his Bucks teammates, even though teams have been advised not to. Yesterday,
he posted a picture of himself drinking water during practice
with the FDR quote the only thing we have to
fear is fear itself straight. Yeah, real, I would argue

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there's plenty of other things to fear, spially in today's
current environment. I don't know what to like read into this.
Is he talking about the season? I mean, I hope
he's not talking about COVID nineteen right. Well, I think
what Tom is doing. A lot of people could say
it's a midlife crisis, but he is not in a

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mid NFL life. He's hit the twilight of his career,
so it's almost over. I think this is always been Tom,
but because he's a good team player, he pulled back
in a little bit of his independence for the corporate ration.
And we see this all the time. People work for corporations.
They play the game for fifteen years and then they

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and then they say, you know what, I got a
little Maverick streak in me. The corporation's not built for me.
And they move out of a corporation and they start
their own business. And then we think they change. But
it was Billy who they were exactly joy. This has
always been Tom, but he he was realizing this system
was really good for him. And then and I always
said the minute he beat Atlanta, it felt like Tom

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was like, I'm gonna do more commercials, I'm gonna push
back on the system. I'm gonna do a documentary, take
a shot at Belichick. Everything for Tom's sort of changed
after that Super Bowl. And this is who he's always
truly been at his base, a risk taker who will
end up believes it himself greatly. Again, I don't have
a problem with it. Like the working out part. If

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it's legal, well it's not, it is Lea, then what's
what's the issue? I get the suggestion that the NFLPA
that they shouldn't work out together because they don't want
a bunch of guys and the cluss they are coming
into camp that have tested positive and then they camper
to Spain in camp. But I also think they have
to stay ready to avoid injury, so like you have to,
you have to measure out what you're doing here. But
I this is it's a whole new kind of rebels.

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He's a pirate now, that's right. He went from a
patriot pirate. So Odell Beckham had surgery this offseasons to
repair a core muscle injury he played through last year.
The Browns are scheduled to report for training camp in
a month, and Kevin Stefanski is confident that he's ready
to go. He said Odell is free and clear, he's

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back to one hundred percent and feeling really good. Odell
said that he was injured all of last year, so
I don't think he's a player just because of his
build in the way he runs. I don't think he's
a player by week four of any NFL season it's perfect.
I think he's probably always going to be a little
banged up. I mean, hell, Gronk's last five years in
the league, he was always banged up. Like if you're

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going into that secondary and you're running crossing routes and
you're he's a very dynamic, explosive player, sometimes runs a
himself in injuries. I don't think if I don't think
O'Dell will ever be perfect by week three at any season.
You just got to manage it. Dronk was not healthy
at the end of his career. Julio Jones in recent
years has not been healthy a lot of weeks. No,
and what happens a lot of times, especially because you

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do have to play through injuries in the NFL and
Odell's has said that he was playing through a lot
of pain all year. Last year, it was never healthy
because it came into the season injured. Usually, if you
come into the season injured, you leave the season injured
because you don't have time to recover from that injury.
So this is actually a good situation for him that
he's had the rest to recover. I just hope everything

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that you're saying about the Browns is true and that
we are going to get to see that dynamic Odell
Beckham junior that we fell in love with with the
New York Giants. I don't think that Odell fits Cleveland's
at all. Think you agree and finish his career there, Yeah,
But while he's there, while this is going on, while
he's still in the prime of his career and now

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one hundred percent healthy, I hope that he's able to
get the targets that he needs and gets back to
that that form. So Kevin Durant is not going to
be playing with the Nets in Orlando next month as
he continues to recover from his achilles injury, but he
says even if he was healthy, he doesn't think he
would have chosen to participate me right now, I probably
wouldn't have playing because I mean, it's just the unknown

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going into that situation. It was crazy right now. You know,
I've seen so many new cases and you know, it's
just it's just it's just so unpredictable. So I mean,
it's easy for me to say right now because I'm injured,
but I probably wouldn't have went down there. I talked
to an NBA person last night, a team person, and
they did say this. They were initially concerned about the bubble,

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but they said players have been hanging out with their
families for like four months straight, like they've never gotten
more family time. And he said the league's actually done
an incredible job that for the first two or three weeks,
players are gonna love it there. The food, the concerts,
the activity that THEBA has done as good a job

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as you can do with the bubble, like the medical staff,
the entertainment. Well, I do think for the first couple
of weeks, guys are going to just be happy to
be back hooping again, like this is their life and
they haven't been able to do it. And like you said,
they've been with their families, all of our families, But
you know, when you go from a routine of an
NBA player to being quarantined, it is a big drastic change,

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and they haven't been able to play basketball, which is
not just what they love, but what they've been doing
every day for decades or life pattern, right, So I'm
sure a lot of them are just are going to
be happy to just be back playing basketball for the
first couple of weeks. I don't think it's the first
couple of weeks. I think it's right. I think it's
the second month. Once you get into back into the
routine of being in the bubble, and you've gotten over
the buzz of you know, hooping again, and you kind

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of settled in into this Orlando, you know, utopia world
thing that's going on down there, that's when it's going
to start to set in. Especially for the teams that
are going to go later on into the playoffs. The
process to get visitors in is really crazy. It's I'm
I am more skeptical about how this bubble is going
to work and how the NBA is going to finish

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the season than I am of any other sport because
it's just it's just so intimate. And yesterday the NBA
announced it's sixteen. Of the three hundred and two players
tested on June twenty third, a half tested positive. So
that is a very very low number. So that's a
that's some positive thing. Another quarantine for the next two
weeks before coming down to the bubble. But there's there's
a decent amount of players that have sat out, a

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none of which I'm judging it's a very extreme situation.
I'm surprised. Kevin Durant says he wouldn't go, but he's
also not going to go, so yeah, he's here. Yeah,
joy with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by. It's the Herd Line. Chris Brussard joining
us now, brought to you by Mercedes Ben's the Best
or Nothing via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Chris Brussard,
Fox Sports, NBA analyst listen and publicly publicly if you know.

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And Avery Bradley says, I don't want to play. Everybody's
gonna say we get it, it's awesome, but it doesn't
make the Lakers better, you know what I mean. So
I think publicly we're all gonna say the right thing, right,
But do you think if you were a star player
and somebody bailed that there may be a little chasm here,

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a little bit of come on, man, this is tough
for all of us going on in the league. Well,
look the fact that Avery Bradley is not playing because
of family issues. That's a little bit different. And I
think you gotta be pretty cold and callous to question
a guy when his son has a respiratory illness and
that's the reason he's not playing. So that said, I

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do think it just depends on the star Colin. Like
we saw just Kevin Durant saying he may not have played,
and I get it. It's easy to say when you're injured.
Kyrie Irving saying he would not have played as well.
But so those are guys though that understand the hesitation,
the apprehension that certain guys have him playing. And I

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don't think they're the only starts. I believe they're other
stars who are playing, but who are a bit hesitant
and who are a bit concerned. And I think a
star like that would understand. And Avery Bradley's situation with
Lebron James, he's never questioned whether or not he was
going to play, and he's in a different place in

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his career for Lebron, this is I mean, I don't
think it's his last chance to win the championship, but
it is one of his last chances to win it,
whereas virtually all of the other superstars are younger and
have other opportunities where they can win it. So with
a guy like Lebron who knows that he needs all

(25:38):
hands on deck and he's all in, you wonder what
he you know, I haven't talked to him, and I
don't know how he feels about it, but you do
wonder if I mean, clearly it's a it's a hit
to the Lakers, Oh yeah, and it's gonna be tough
for him to overcome. Yeah, Listen, I'm sure publicly everybody,
well a lot of people say stuff publicly, and I'm
sure Lebron does support his teammate. But let's be honest

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about this. This morning, the Clippers now are better than
the Lakers. We thought they were better before, and I
don't think this helps the team right, Like this is
he's a veteran, he's smart, he's Lebron's kind of dependable
two way player. Yeah, they're not the same team. This morning, Colin,
I picked the Clippers you know early in the season

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to win it all. And the reason where there were
two main things their depths and their dog meaning I
think they're hungrier. I think up and down the roster
they've got more dogs in their lineup than the Lakers do. Well.
One of those dogs with Avery Bradley. Yeah, he's a
guy that's mentally tough, that plays, as you said, both ends,
one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, and

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a three in D guy. Remember the one time this
year in three games that they beat the Clippers, Avery
Bradley hit six three score twenty four points. So this
is big. And you look at that depth and I
don't know they're gonna add JR. Smith or whoever. They're
not going to make up for what Avery Bradley gives them.
So look, is it impossible for the Lakers to overcome. No,

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they have two of the best three players in a
series with the Clippers and Lebron in a D. But
the depth difference has just widened. And then again that
dog difference, in my opinion, has widened. Yeah, I'm watching
some you know, he's a two way player, and then
a lot of guys in this league are not two
way players, and avery's smart, he's a veteran, he's a
two way guy. We're not saying he shouldn't have done it.

(27:29):
I'm just saying that. You know, you understand now some
of these stars, their windows are closing. You know. Zion's
fascinating to me because there's I said this yesterday, James
Harden doesn't want to be the face of the league.
Westbrook's not good with the media, Kawhi doesn't talk. Sometimes
the best player, Tim Duncan or Kareem is not the
face of the league. I think if Lebron retired tomorrow,

(27:52):
for the next seven years, I think Zion's going to
be the face of the league. He's averaging twenty four points,
eight rebounds, fifty nine percent shootings as a baby. What
do you make of this bubble for him? Is reportedly
he's in good shape. Yeah, and that's great because with
young guys, you especially guys that if they eat the

(28:13):
wrong thing, their bodies can blow up. You wonder how
will they handle the three four months away. I wondered
it with Joel Embi, and it looks like he's in
pretty good shape. But that's another guy you wondered about.
So if Zion comes back in shape. That speaks to
not only how he is physically, but mentally, where he's
at a maturity, a responsibility that he has to take

(28:36):
care of his body. So I like that face of
the league. Look, there's no doubt that he will be
one of them. The question will be how much winning
he can do, and he's in that honeymoon phase where
the winning isn't a big deal. But I do think
Colin he's got to improve in the rebounding. You upped
him a notch when you said eight. He's averaging I

(28:58):
think a tad below. But I'll give you that because
I've you like the kid, But I gotta see a
little better rebounding and defense. And I'm not holding it
against him as a youngster that doesn't defend. Very few
youngsters entered the NBA defending, especially one that are great offensively.
Lebron wasn't much of a defender early in his career,

(29:19):
so I think Zion it will improve. He's in the
right situation as far as his teammates. Linzo Balls almost
a perfect point guard for him. Drew Holliday's a veteran,
so he's in a good situation. It would be phenomenal
if they could make the playoffs, and that's gonna be
a tough chore because they're at three and a half
games back with eight to play, but if they could,

(29:42):
that would be a great step in the right direction.
And then next year the goal becomes not just get
to the playoffs, but actually beginning to make a little
noise once you get there. Finally, let's say Lebron wins it.
And I've said this before. If Lebron wins as a Laker,
as a calv and as a Miami Heat, that Jordan

(30:02):
documentary is gonna lose some of its zip. Let's just
protect Let's just say he wins it. What's it do? First, legacy,
it's huge. There are several things. Number One, he would
now join Kareem Abdul Jabbar as two of the top
three players to make it to ten NBA finals. I

(30:23):
know he will have lost six, but just to get
to ten NBA finals is phenomenal. The only player who
will have led their team the more finals would have
been would be Bill Russell with twelve, so that would
be big. But here's the other thing, Colin, in this
Goat conversation and legacy talk, memorable moments and storylines are huge.

(30:46):
We still remember what about Jordan the shrug, Wow, I
don't know what's going on. I'm hot from three. I
hit seven threes in the first half against Portland. We
remember those moments, and Lebron will have had two of
the most memorable storybook Finals championships in NBA history. Obviously

(31:07):
the one in Cleveland, whereas the first championship for the
city in fifty two years. He they beat up. They
came back from a three one deficit, only team ever
to do that. They would have beat a seventy three
win team. He's at the most iconic block shot in
NBA history throwing in another Finals against Golden State that
the average a triple double. And then this in the season.

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Remember what Lebron said shortly after the tragedy with Kobe Bryant.
God gave me big shoulders for a reason. He was saying,
I will carry us. We remember his speech at the
game where he talked to the Lakers fans about Kobe.
If he could deliver LA a championship in the year
of Kobe's death, in the year of COVID, the COVID pandemic,

(31:54):
that would be as memorable as any NBA finals out there,
and he's already got another one. It's arguably the most memorable.
So I think it would be huge for Lebron's legacy
and strengthen his argument and the goat talk for sure. Yeah,
Chris Bruce. So we got planning for the big weekend. Chris,
what are you gonna do this weekend? You know I'm

(32:15):
a grill master. Yeah, I don't know if you knew.
I don't know if that fifth my image, but I'm
mean on the grill. So I'll be out there with
some steak and chicken and burgers and all that, maybe
even some ribs. You know what, let me just read this.
This is a good segue. Imagine picking up your smartphone,
opening an app and controlling your girl remotely wreck tech

(32:35):
grills with ans dot com. Nice segue, Chris Bruce Hard.
And that was not on purpose. I had no idea.
Good stuff, Chris Bruce Hard. Thanks buddy. Um come now
top of the hour, It's time for another edition of
fake Press Conference. But coming up next, somebody said that, Um,

(32:59):
Doug Williams, form an NFL quarterback, said nobody in the
league the last two years that's been drafted, has Dwayne
Haskins arm talent? And I got to get into this
conversation because this is one of the most overrated terms
in the league. I don't even know what it means
armed talent. That's next. Be sure to catch live editions
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(33:21):
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terms and conditions. I've always thought that Doug Williams, a coach,
goes out and says Dwayne Haskins, second year quarterback Washington.
Last two years, nobody's been drafted with more arm talent.

(33:43):
So this has always been what does arm talent mean?
Jay Cutler had a strong arm, but I always thought
he through a hard ball. It was hard, you know,
he didn't always have good touch. Big Ben has a
huge arm, but I always feel with ham and big
bend big arms, so often the receiver has to wait

(34:04):
or it's behind the receiver. It's never in stride. What
does it mean? I'll give an example. So when I
started out in this business twenty five thirty years ago,
in radio, voice mattered. In fact, I was thinking of
smoking Marlborough's and changing my name to sky Banister and
just high it's I'm sky Banister and my hair is

(34:26):
made of wood. And then I thought, after about ten years,
voice doesn't really matter, and with podcasting it doesn't matter
at all, and with digital it doesn't matter. Voice no
longer matters doing radio, Are you compelling? Is your content good?
Mark Levin does a radio show. It's a conservative radio show.
He's got an annoying voice, He's got a huge audience.
It doesn't matter anymore. People are into content. They don't

(34:47):
care about voice. But in radio twenty five thirty years ago,
you'd watch game shows and radio show it was ballsy
guys barfing on the mic. And it's the same thing
that you to be in the NFL. You had a big,
strong arm. But the game has changed. We don't have huddles.
More of the decisions have been made at the line
of scrimmage. The quarterback has more power than ever. The

(35:08):
receivers are more talented. There's more ad libbing going on,
and so when I think of armed talent, I think
of do you throw a catchable ball. Is it in stride?
Do you throw a soft deep ball with a feathery
touch that drops down from the sky like Seattle's soft rain?

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Do you throw a ball so you don't set your
receiver up to get smoked? Now, Mahomes and Carson Wentz
can throw it from different angles, but a lot of
times with Wentz it's behind the receiver. Sometimes Mahomes isn't
even looking at you and take big risks, which can
sometimes get the receiver in trouble if you're now. I

(35:50):
don't like the term arm talent. But if I was
an NFL receiver and you ask me who threw the
softest deep ball, the most catchable ball almost always a
tight spiral. I mean, we've all played catch before. If
Joy and I played catch, it's always easier to catch
a spiral than a wobbly football, especially if there's any

(36:10):
elements like rain or a wind, it makes the wobbly throw.
That's why Peyton Manning was very, very good in a dome.
He never threw a beautiful football. I don't want a
hard thrower Kaepernick, Jay Cutler, big Ben cam Sometimes it
doesn't feel it's hard, it's behind the guy This is
my what I call arm talent, feathery soft on the

(36:31):
deep ball. Receiver gets hit in stride. You don't set
receivers up to get smoked. We make eye contact. You
lead me regularly. Here's my guys. When I watch NFL games.
Russell Wilson, I think throws the most catchable deep ball
easily in the NFL. I don't think it's close. Brady

(36:55):
and Breeze almost always hit a guy in perfect stride.
I think Kyler Murray throws the tightest ball in the league,
and I think Goff maybe second in the league in
the deep ball. It is just I mean, honestly, it's
a down comforter. It's a pillow to me. Now, this

(37:16):
will go out digitally and I'll get crushed for this
because everybody's what about Mahomes. Mahomes is just the most
talented person in the world playing quarterback. He's got a
big arm, he can throw it sideways. He doesn't look
at you, but at times he can be a little
radic sometimes the strongest arm in the league. Brett Farr,

(37:37):
big Ben, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahomes, Carson Wentz. That doesn't
always mean it's the easiest ball. To catch. And to me,
this whole league is about what's the easiest ball to catch?
Because if you can have all this talent, now you're
gonna say, well, Mahomes did this, and Mahomes did that,
Patrick Mahomes the most talented player. Like if you just

(37:58):
said if you were drafting a quarterback that and you
wanted all the skill set, But in terms of easiest
ball to cats, that's my five guys. And Matt Ryan
was already close. And I'll get crushed for that. Now
I will say it's about Russell Wilson. I've never seen
in my life a guy throw us a more catchable
deep ball. It is Have you ever noticed this with

(38:18):
Russell Wilson. Nobody ever drops the ball the deep ball.
Nobody ever drops his deep ball. It is just he's
just handing it to you. So there you go. Top
of the hour, I'll be doing a fake press conference.
You know, you know I was talking about the Packers
earlier and that we should be really it's remarkable they're

(38:42):
as successful as they are. So Brandon Marshall came on
the show to yesterday and he said, you know, they
just wasted all of Aaron Rodgers talent just to show
you how different the green Bay Packers are from the
rest of the league. And I compared him to the
Post Office of Professional Sports that the Post Office and
the Packers are grandfathered in, but you'd never use it today.

(39:05):
If you just started making the NFL today, nobody would
put a team in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Nobody would have
letters six days cross country. It takes that would not
be anybody's former communication. So this is how the Packers
management structure works. I'm not making this up. I am
reading this. The stuffings like an official site. So in

(39:26):
Green Bay, the coach, Matt Lafleur, reports to the general manager. Now,
the general manager then usually goes to the owner. That's
not the way it works in green Bay. The GM
reports to the CEO. The CEO reports to a seven

(39:47):
person executive committee, one of whom is the CEO. It
doesn't end there, and then the seven person executive committee
reports to a forty three person board of directors. In Dallas,
you go down the hall, you knock on Jerry Jones's
door and say can we make this happen? And then

(40:09):
you get an answer. The coach to the GM, the
GM to the CEO, the CEO to a seven person
executive committee, and then that committee reports to a forty
three person board of directors. What if you go look
at the history of sports George Steinbrenner Strong Owner championships.

(40:29):
The more layers to it, it doesn't start looking at
the Rooney family. It go to the Rooney Family championships,
Bob Kraft, buck stops Here Championships, Eddie de Bartolo, San
Francisco buck stops here Championships. The more layers to it,
the tougher it is to win. So we can say,
Aaron doesn't get this, Aaron doesn't get that. Aaron does
get this. Aaron does get that. The packers, like the

(40:52):
post office, are not built for today. It's remarkable they
still succeed. One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four
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(41:13):
wants to play in the NBA. Jason McIntire one hour
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may be and however you may be listening. I heart Radio,
Fox Sports Radio, and FS one. I came to a
conclusion last night, and I haven't never given a great
deal of thought until last night. But from the minute
I wake up until the minute I finished dinner, I
am an incredibly disciplined eater and human being. And then

(41:36):
about thirty minutes after dinner is done, the wheels come off.
And last night I had pop raman pumpkin pie, a
bowl of cereal, two pieces of shrimp, and peanut butter
in an hour forty five minute setting after dinner. The
Hell's wrong with me? The wheels come off. I wake
up until dinner's finished. I am literally you could do

(41:57):
a video, a nutrition video about me. And then like
forty five minutes after dinner, I am just in the weeds.
I can't hit the fairway shrimp. I'm just just went
to the store. I got everything. I just in my stomach.
My boiler last night was probaby. How does your stomach
deal with that? Not great? Not gonna lie to you,
not great, shrimp, peanut butter, pumpkin pie, cereal? What else

(42:21):
did you say? Pack of fireworks? Maybe you just need
to eat more for dinner. YEA, God, I'm a mess.
So so here's a story that, Um, you know, there's
a reason I don't speak for this company. We got
bosses that do that. Okay, if somebody wants to speak
about this show, probably actually be the person to speak
about the show, right, it's called the herd and stuff.

(42:42):
But but I always think with the New York Jets,
there are a bunch of disparate parts and different disparate
personalities and they're never kind of functioning on the same wavelength.
So yesterday, we all know this Jamal Adams situation is
kind of you know, inflamed, right. So Greg Williams becomes
the first team official to comment on it. What are
you doing? It's like, Greg, don't make yourself available to

(43:04):
the press because you know what the first five questions are.
And he wasn't too bad. He danced around it, but
he used the word contract three different times and he's
got to handle his contract. Don't mess with a guy's contract.
I've got his back on the contract. Okay, this doesn't
happen in New England. First of all, he didn't let
his coordinators talk, but not during a crisis. A flammable crisis.

(43:26):
So in New York, you've got Adam Gayes who's polarizing.
Greg Williams is outspoken and can't keep a job for
more than three and four years. Sam Darnold's caught in
the middle. Lavy and Bell has a GM and a
coach that will probably move in a year. You got
a great safety whose outspoken wants a new contract and
the GM doesn't want to give it to him. And
it's just like you got a GM who's cleaning up
a previous incompetent GM's mess. And so I said this morning,

(43:49):
Derek Jeter and Eli Manning were great. They talked every
day and never said anything. There is an art in
New York City to talk and not saying anything. So
Greg Williams should have never made himself available on any
conference call, on any zoom meaning to answer any questions
about Jamal Adams. And so I said this morning, I'm

(44:11):
gonna play Greg Williams. We're gonna do fake. I have
no idea what the questions are. Joy is going to
be an annoying New York Beat reporter and it's gonna
ask me a bunch of probing questions and I'm gonna
pretend i'm Greg Williams, although I would have never made
myself available to be asked questions about Jamal Adams. He's

(44:31):
the first guy to talk about it. Not the coach,
not the g I'm not the owner. So put the
press conference. Let's see if I can avoid I'm gonna
be grumpy, Greg Williams, you ask the questions. I'll see
if I can avoid it. Bill New York Times, what
are your initial thoughts on the Jamal Adams situation? The
only situation I know is when he plays, he's great, Mike,

(44:52):
New York Posts. Should the Jets give Jamal a huge contract?
That's not my department. There's guys upstairs that do that.
They call lawyers. Sherry Daily News, Hi, Sherry, Hi, you
look a lot like Joy Taylor. Why are you talking? Yeah?
I get that a lot. What do you make of
the reports that Jamal doesn't get along with Adam Gase?

(45:12):
I don't know. I get along with Jamal Adams. I
mean as a basketball player, I played within ten years,
so I get along with him. I don't know. I mean,
do you know who gets along in every family and
every company? I get along with him. I never heard that.
Christopher from Star Ledger, how would you feel the Jets

(45:32):
trade in Jamal? I'm a defensive coordinator. I don't do contracts.
I'm not a doctor. All I know is when I
write my schemes up, He's everywhere I want him to be.
Diana General News, what's your relationship with Adam Gase? He's

(45:53):
my boss. My relationship is we have meetings on Tuesday
and Friday, and I submit to him my game plan
and if he has a problem with it, he tweaks it.
He's the head coach. I'm a coordinator. That's my relationship.
Marcus from a Newsday Is Jamal now a distraction from

(46:15):
the team? How is he a distraction? He's the best
football player perhaps on our conference. How is that a distraction?
It's not that tough. That one more. Joy Taylor that
the relationship with Jamal is beyond repair. Beyond repair? What's

(46:38):
the repair? I have an incredible relationship. Every time I
see Jamal Adams, we're smiling. It's not that difficult. Stiff.
Just know when you go to a press conference, know
the question that's going to be asked. We have pr
people at my company. Yeah, I don't I turned down
most I'm not I don't want to be interviewed at

(46:59):
this point in my career, doesn't value in it. I
mean seriously, but if I get interviewed, I always say,
what are the two questions I gotta be prepared for.
It's just like, just tell me what are they going
to ask about? Like I don't need to know all
the questions, but where do you think they're going on this?
Where's the booby trap with this blogger that wants to
see me get in trouble and it just stop talking

(47:20):
to you? Stop using the word contract. I got his back.
This is just really be only one voice for any organization,
especially when it comes to personnel stuff. I want to
go to Eric Mangini, who's been a head coach a
couple of times in his life, and he's been a
coordinator joining us to be at the Coward Global Satellite Network.
He's in like someplace called Cape cod. Don't even ask

(47:41):
me how the technology works. I don't even know it works, Okay,
am I am I simplifying it? First of all, if
I'm Greg Williams, I'm not making myself available until this
thing gets talked about. Second of all, am I simplifying
what it's like to stand in front of the media
and as a coordinator and answer questions on a clearly
flammable situation. Well, I look, I felt like I was

(48:05):
watching one of my old press conferences watching you there.
And it doesn't always play well when you answer questions
like that. And New England gets criticized all the time
because they try to protect proprietary information. They try to
make sure that they're not creating distractions, but it's not

(48:25):
entertaining and there's a lot of people that get frustrated
with the fact that the answers don't just flow out
of there, and it can be a pretty big negative
thing and you just need to deal with the negative
press that goes with that. Now that being said, I
don't think these comments were that bad Colin at all.
And one of the nice things about being a defensive coordinator,

(48:47):
offensive coordinator, position coach is you don't have to be
the bad guy. You don't have to play that role.
What you do have to do is whether Jamal gets
a new contract or doesn't get a new contract, you've
got to get him to play at his highest possible level.
And that's why these guys are going to try to
promote the relationship as much as possible. And as a

(49:09):
head coach, you're fine with that. You're fine with being
the bad guy or the GM is fine with playing
that role. And the position coaches and the coordinators they
have a different luxury than you have, and they need
that relationship to be as strong as possible to maximize
the players performance. All right, So maybe I'm being too

(49:29):
critical to Greg Williams there. Maybe I should have just
kept quiet. A great job on your press counts are
really nicely done. Your hair was disheveled too. You've played
the part, thanks, coach. So it's not just the Tom
Brady topic. I want to talk about free agency. So
Tom goes to Tampa. You have lost players to free

(49:49):
agency and you have gained them as a head coach
and a coordinator. What's the most difficult thing about being
a free agency and going into a new culture. Well,
you you hope to get all the characteristics that that
that player demonstrated in his previous at his previous team,

(50:11):
but it doesn't always happen right away. I remember when
we brought Steve Atwater to the Jets, when I was
there with Bill Parcels and I was working with the
secondary and Steve Atwater is what. He's an incredible guy,
an incredible presence. And it's not that he wasn't those
things in New York. He just wasn't the dominant personality
that he had been previously. Because these guys are and

(50:34):
to some degree Alan Fannik or at the start that
the same thing. These guys are our guys, and they
want to fit in. They want to show that they
can be part of the organization, that they can be
part of the locker room that they're involved in. Now,
ultimately they're great traits come out. It just may take
a little bit longer than you as a coach and
you as an organization wants it to happen because they're

(50:57):
trying to fit in as well. You know, yes day
on our show, Brandon Marshall, very talented wide receiver, came
out and he said, you know, I think Green Bay
has sort of wasted Aaron Rodgers career. And you know,
it was interesting and I thought to myself, well, he's
had five offensive linemen make a Pro Bowl, some multiple times,
six receivers become Pro Bowlers, so you can't argue. And

(51:19):
he's had two offensive head coaches. So those are all
above league averages for quarterbacks in the last ten years,
his offensive line has been better than average. He's always
got a star receiver, Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, you know
his slot guy, Randall Cobb had a Pro Bowl, Greg Jennings,
Donald Driver. When you and I the comp you know,
it's interesting about I mean, hell, Dan Fouts had a

(51:40):
great coach, so did Dan Marino. They never won Super Bowls.
What do you make about the argument many have made
that Green Bay has wasted Aaron Rodgers talent. Well, then
you could make that argument about a lot of situations.
Has Drew Brees been wasted in New Orleans? Was Peyton
Manning wasted in Indianapolis? And and if you're looking at

(52:01):
Green Bay, you could say that they epically wasted quarterbacks
because they had Brett Farve before they had Aaron Rodgers
and he only won one Super Bowl. This is a
really interesting debate because Belichick and Brady set the bar,
so you have a great quarterback, and if you truly
have a great coach, then six super Bowls is now

(52:22):
the bar. And and all these other situations where it's
one super Bowl or no super Bowls, and you've got
Hall of Fame talent, as that organization wasted the talent,
you have something that most teams don't don't get close to,
and it's it's it is a very very interesting debate. Yeah. Yeah,

(52:43):
we were saying that this morning. Dan Marino had a
Hall of Fame coach, no super bowls. Dan Fouts had
a Hall of Fame coach and incredible weapons and he
didn't have a super Bowl. And I consider two of
those guys two the top twelve quarterbacks I've ever seen
in my life. So it is interesting. Now you know
as a former coach that you know that you can't
be a puritan with NFL. Not everybody may share every

(53:06):
value you have. Talent wins in this league. Antonio Brown
can be disruptive and there's things he's done as a
human I don't like, but good God, for six years
he was Randy Moss Baltimore, Seattle or interested coach. If
you ran the Seahawks or Ravens, would you roll the
dice on him? Antonio Brown, what eighteen months ago, led

(53:30):
the NFL in touchdowns fifteen touchdowns the last time he played.
He was explosive and playing or coaching against him for
years and seeing the things that he's able to do.
He's an incredible talent. And there's three teams that have
significant dead money on their cap because he's an incredible talent. Now,

(53:51):
whether or not you can get him to Sunday is
a big question mark. And whether or not he's going
to be able to play and the commissioner is going
to let him play, that's a big question mark. But
all that being said, if you get him to the field,
you've got something special. And there's very few players like him,
So I would imagine Seattle would take that chance, and look,

(54:15):
Pete could make it work. Pete. Pete has made some
players work that other people thought, you know, couldn't. Yeah,
you know. Finally, So we were talking about arm talent
and I said, when I got in radio twenty five
years ago, people thought you had to have a great voice.
I clearly disproved that. So it's more about content now
and what you say. And I've heard this this talent. No,

(54:37):
I think Patrick Mahomes is the best arm talent. Sideways,
arm angles, all that stuff. Carson Wentz is great, But
I think if you're asking me who throws the most
catchable ball, Russell Wilson, Jared Goff, Drew Brees, Brady Kyler, Murray,
Your guys, the ball is just pillowy, soft, perfect. I

(54:58):
think Jared Goffe was one of the best deep balls
I've ever seen for a young quarterback. So let me
ask you as a coach, is it arm strength? Is
it touch? How do you fall on that stuff? Well,
I'm a little bit more in line with you, Colin.
I look at is it a catchall ketch a ball
or not a catchable ball? And I've had plenty of
guys with tremendous arm strength. And what happens is it's

(55:20):
like that old saying if all you have is a hammer,
everything looks like a nail and they can't put it.
They can't put any touch on the ball. They can't
throw the short swinger out to the back, they can't
throw the shallow cross. It's either behind the guy or
in front of the guy, or bounces off his face mask.
And arm talent is another aspect of it, where you
want him to be able to make all the throws.

(55:42):
But the question is can he can he throw a
ball that is catchable and and does he make the
receivers work for the balls that they have to catch.
There's guys that can can get it out in front
of receivers and let him catch and run. Where there's
a bunch of quarterbacks where it's it's so awkwardly placed
that even when they catch it, they just fall down.
So it's a to me, it's it's more what you're saying,

(56:05):
is it a catchable balls as opposed to armed talent
or armed strength. Yeah, So you're out there in Cape
Cod that is spoil. I'll say that's a ritzy part
of the country now when it's nowhere near the part
of the country you live in college. I live in
a small secluded grotto in a small little town in
Los Angeles. Cape Cod is like the Kennedy's and stuff

(56:28):
I couldn't afford, a like a that's shack in that town,
a bird bath anything. Okay, get out here, I'll buy
you a state. Good seeing you all right, good seeing
you come. Eric Mangini won three Super Bowls. Yeah, he's
out there, and you know one of the things about
that area, So Cape Cod's great. And then there's Martha's Vineyard.

(56:51):
My buddy Ryan Risilo grew up there. I used to
go to Nantucket, which is this boomerang shaped island. My
wife is afraid of flying, so you'd have to fly
these little tiny like crop dusters out to Nantucket. If
you live on the West Coast and you've never gone
to Nantucket, let me just be the Chamber of Commerce spokesman.
It is incredible. You fly into this boomerang island. It

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is you'll see celebrities. You'll see it's the best lobster. Literally,
they just grab lobster and they throw it on your
lobster roll. It's still moving. It's the best lobster Nantucket.
I'd been. Yeah, the whole that whole region is so
unique in America. Cape Cod Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket. But you'll

(57:36):
have to take a tiny plane. And I don't mind
the plane bounce around a lot because it's windy. Man,
that place is nice. It is nice. Uh No, I'm
not taking a boat. I watched the boat take I
don't know. So there's a ferry I think out there,
and I just want to get on plane. I fan. Yeah,
I make your poor wife, who hates flying, get on

(57:57):
a little propeller plane. So I've just taken a you know,
a plane is small when they tuck the luggage and
the nose of the plane. Yeah, when they open the
nose up and they were taking a seaplane, it literally
lands on the water once San Juan islands in Et
Sound in Washington State. Yeah. Yeah, I've taken some crazy
forms of transportation. Coming up next, Lebron takes a shot

(58:22):
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apology from the NFL. And here is the King, Lebron James.

(59:08):
As far as the NFL. I'm not in those locker rooms.
I'm not with those guys, but I do understand that
an apology. I have not heard a true official apology
to Colin Kaepernick on what he was going through and
what he was trying to tell the NFL and tell
the world about why he was kneeling when he was
doing that as a San Francisco forty nine er. So

(59:32):
I just see that to be still be wrong. And
now they are listening some, but I still think we
have not heard that official apology to a man who
basically sacrifice everything for the better of his world. That's
an opinion. I don't have to agree with it. I can't,
I can't, doesn't matter, But I will say this, I
don't always have an opinion in the middle of crisis

(59:55):
because people and companies regularly get thrown into what I
would call the outrage blender. And if you've never been
at it, and I have, it's real time. And I
find in life that everybody is just an expert on
it when viewing it from the rear view mirror, but
life comes at you through the windshield. No league is

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really comfortable with players kneeling for the anthem they're not.
That's why the NBA banned it twenty years ago when
a player sat for the anthem, then they banned it,
and then the NFL at Kaepernick Neil, and then two
years later twenty eighteen, they banned it. Nobody's truly comfortable
because it does tick off some Americans. I'm not one,

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but it takes off lots of people. The NFL Kaepernick
situation was tough. It happened suddenly. It caught people off guard.
TV ratings were going down, the media was crushing you.
People were taking sides, Advertisers were pushing back. The president,
who was more popular, was taking shot after shot at you.

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It was a real time crisis. There were no easy answers.
But of course when we look at life through the
rear view mirror, with time and reflection and various contexts,
the answers are always much easier. But the NBA doesn't
let you sit orneel for an anthem because they struggled

(01:01:21):
with this like twenty twenty five years ago, and they
weren't comfortable with it. By the way, one of the
reasons I did not rip Lebron James or Steve Kerr
during that China mess Earlier this year, Darryl Moray came
out with a tweet about China and China's government said

(01:01:42):
we're taking away our billions of dollars with the NBA,
and then Lebron and Steve Kerr came out and I thought,
we're a little bumpy. Could be viewed as a little
hypocritical that they weren't clabbering China for some awful human
rights violations. Almost felt like they were supporting him but
being critical of our government, which they have a right
to do. But I didn't bang on Lebron. It was

(01:02:05):
a real time crisis. I've been in them before. There's
no easy answers. You're getting attacked from one side and
supported from the other, and your bosses are yelling at yeah,
and the owner's met at yet the GM's gonna get fired.
Kaepernick was not easy. Ratings down President Polkan, President Rippon, advertisers,
concerned players supporting them, players against him. Folks, real life

(01:02:29):
is coming at you through the windshield. It's always way
easier watching it through the rear view mirror. Joy tayl
Over the news, No No, This is the Herdline News
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on paper, the Falkins offense looks explosive. Matt Ryan, Julio Jones,

(01:02:51):
Calvin Ridley, Gurley, and Ryan believes this year's skill players
can be as good as the group that they had
in twenty twelve when Atlanta went thirteen and three and
almost reached the Super Bowl. We had a pretty good
unit in twenty twelve with you know, Roddy White, Julio Jones,
Michael Turner, Tony Gonzalez. I mean, those guys were all

(01:03:12):
pretty good. But I've gotta imagine, you know, this is,
you know, right up there with them. I think you're
talking about Julio and his prime, Calvern Ridley going into
year three, coming into his own. You got Todd Gurley,
who's hungry, who wants to, you know, prove it this year.
Hayden Hurst another guy, first round draft pick. It's gotta
be right up there, you know. I think. So I've

(01:03:33):
been lucky. Well, we know that you can't quit the Falcons.
I won't. Nope, no, I've done done No, No, I
mean yeah, I'll come back. And then after a couple
of times and she keeps cheating on you. They got
a bail on the girl. I'm done with it. Lad,
you could not I know I couldn't quit them for
a long time. I quit them. I think Saints Winnett,
Tampa Bay second, and Carolina a surprising third. You think

(01:03:57):
they come in last in the division, it won't be
a bad, lad, it won't be a five and eleven.
It'll be like an eight, eight, seven and nine. I
think Caroline is way better offensively than people think. Their
schedules brutal, But I think their offense, I think they're
going to surprise people. I think they're going to ruin
a couple of people's season. They're not a playoff team, Yeah,
because they are better than people are. By the way,
Denver last year was that. Yeah, Denver ruined a couple

(01:04:18):
of people's season. Denver was a pain in the butt. Well,
I'm glad this is live. You always ask him for
taping this because much like the coffee situation, I have
a feeling at some point in the season, Well, when
I like the owner of the GM and the quarterback,
it's hard for me not to get sucked into the
whole thing, and I do. Their coach is a day
to day situation. Game to game situation. So Aaron Rodgers

(01:04:40):
isn't the only Packer dealing with the team drafting a
rookie in his position. Green Bay also drafted running back
A J. Dillon in the second round this year, but
Aaron Jones thinks it will make him work even harder
this season. He said, I know it's the NFL. They're
bringing in guys every day to compete, so it's just
going to raise my game and I'm excited to have
him here and start working with him, teaching him the
playbook and everything. It's a little bit different when it

(01:05:02):
comes to the running back position, obviously than than the
quarterback position. I didn't love their draft of a running back.
You know, didn't love it. I can, I can. I
can argue on behalf of Jordan Love that I get
six four big arm runs around future the NFL. I
will always defend a team if they really graded quarterback
high and go our guys thirty five, we're in. I'll
totally defend a team on that. I would have no

(01:05:23):
problem with the Jordan Love draft pick if they hadn't
moved up to get him, Okay, that's fair. If he
fell to them, I would have felt more comfortable with
it this. I actually don't have a problem with him
taking it to Dylan because I feel like you should
almost draft the running back every draft, not necessarily that high.
If you pass someone like Aaron Jones, who is a
very good running back, but with injuries like that's that's

(01:05:44):
a position that you don't I wouldn't mind having depth ats.
And again, like he's he's comfortable and confident in his
position on the team, So being able to help him
and you know, teach him the playbook, as he said,
help him develop. This is only going to make the
team better. It's Aaron Jones position. Like he He's the
running back absolutely for the Packers. Finally, Mike Tyson has

(01:06:04):
been preparing for boxing comeback. We've seen some pretty intense
videos he's been posting on social media, and there was
talk that current heavyweights Tyson Fury could be an opponents.
Fury said that they did have discussions about putting together
a fight, but ultimately it fell apart because of money.
He said, there was talk of it. I was contacted
by Mike Tyson's people. It was definitely real, but never materialized.
Whoever was offering the comeback money to Mike offered us peanuts.

(01:06:28):
Mike was talking about five hundred million pound figures, but
what came back to us on paper was a joke.
I did have a ten million dollar offer to do
the fight as an exhibition, but I think everyone has
moved on now. Well it was out there then, yeah,
I mean it's it's I don't think Fury has a
lot to win. It's great. I also called the tight
fight with Tyson I lose, lose because he didn't need

(01:06:50):
to fight a man past his best, and also he
doesn't need the money and he's the champ, so there's
very little win in it for the money. He's the champs.
He's going he has another fight with Wilder as we
know that they're probably going to fight later on this year.
Then he has two fights with Anthony Joshua after that,
regardless of how that Wilder fight goes. So he's lined

(01:07:10):
up with legitimate ad fights as the heavyweight champ right now,
so he doesn't need to fight Mike Tyson at fifty three.
It just would have been interesting. It's certainly not for
the money, but he's right. As much as I would
have liked to see this, and I would have been
interested in it if you really think about it, He's
the heavyweight champ fighting Mike Tyson. Like Mike Tyson has
completely rehabilitated his image. It would being interested in this

(01:07:32):
people like Mike Now. Yeah, So if we get he
gets in there and it's a it's bad on Mike, Like,
that's not a good look for Tyson Fair, We're gonna
be like, we'll change your mind immediately, like why are
you fighting Mike Tyson? Like this is not even reasonable?
And then if he loses to Mike Tyson's brutal, right,
then what happens? So it is a lose lose situation
for him. I still would like to see an exhibition,
maybe the Shannon Briggs or someone else, but Mike seems

(01:07:55):
like he wants to fight, so we'll see wild stranger
things have happened. They have Johnny Yeah, Joy with the news.
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by. Third
Line were so yesterday on the show, Brandon Marshall came
out and he said, um, he said that basically, I

(01:08:15):
think we have the bite where he just said, listen,
Green Bay has wasted Aaron Rodgers' career and here's here's
Brandon Marshall on yesterday's show. Do you guys have it?
It's too late? Come on, man, they sort have won
two Super Bowls in the last five years. You to me,
Aaron Rodgers is my favorite quarterback in the NFL, But
you wasted this guy's career. You got one super Bowl

(01:08:38):
out of Aaron Rodgers. Are you kidding me? It's too late,
It's too late. So have they underserved Aaron Rodgers. Well,
here's what we went back this morning and looked at
all the tears of Super Bowl wins. Not how good
the quarterbacks are, but how many have they won. And
so there's a handful of all time great quarterbacks that
never won a Super Bowl. Dan Marina never won a

(01:08:59):
Super Bowl, Dan Fouts, Jim Kelly, and Warren Moon and
Fran Tarkington. By the way, they all all had great coaches.
Warren had great weapons, perhaps not the great coach. So
four of five had great coaches. Well, if you have
a great coach, that generally means you have support. Here's
the guys that won one Super Bowl. Breeze, Russell Wilson,

(01:09:21):
Brett Farve, Kurt Warner, Aaron Rodgers, Steve Young, Well again,
Mike Holmgren, Sean Payton, Pete Carroll. You start looking at
these guys, they had support. I mean, the Packers are
a well run team. He had Mike McCarthy and to
Matt Lafleur. Their offensive guys, Aaron Rodgers has had five

(01:09:42):
different offensive lineman in his career in Green may make
a Pro Bowl better than league average. And five different
wide receivers Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, Randall, Cob Donald Driver,
Davante Adams make a Pro Bowl that's beyond the league average.
And now we go to quarterbacks with two Super Bowls. Okay,
and as Bart Starr and Roger Stauback and Bob Greasy
and Jim Plunkett and John Elway and Peyton Manning and

(01:10:02):
Big Ben and Eli. Well, Peyton's way better than Eli,
and Peyton's better than bart Starr and Bob Greasy and
Jim Plunkett, and it's kind of Some had good coaches,
some didn't. Then we go to three Super Bowls. There's
only one of those guys in the NFL, Troytman. So
here's the quarterbacks with the most Super Bowl wins. Brady's
got six, Montana four, Bradshaw and Montana had great coaches.
Troytman's got three. He had a great coach for a while,

(01:10:23):
but not forever. Duc there's no real thread. Some guys
got great coaches and were great quarterbacks and didn't win
any and some guys Eli Manning were really good quarterbacks
who had a really good coach and they won two.
And then outside of really Tom Brady, Joe Montana and

(01:10:44):
Terry Bradshaw, you could say everybody left stuffed on the table.
You could say everybody left stuff on the table. Jimmy
Johnson doesn't retire, doesn't natman win two? More So, like
to me, there's no common thread. I don't think Aaron's
been overserved or underserved old line, better than average receivers,
better than average, two offensive coaches. He's gotten a break
on dysfunction both to Troit and Chicago kind of dysfunctional

(01:11:06):
in his organization. I don't think he's been given unbelievably
great Peyton Manning offensive weapons or Dante Scarnecki as an
offensive coach, or Pete Carroll as a defensive play designer.
But there's no rhyme or reason on the Super Bowl thing.
Are you good he is? And do you have enough

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support to win. He does. Trent Delfer next The Herd
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back Trent del for fifteen years in the NFL Pro
Bowl and the Super Bowl with the Ravens twenty years ago.
In fact, he is joining us on the phone the
super Bowl champ in my muddy Trent Delfer. So I've

(01:11:51):
got about nine and a half minutes on this thing,
so I want to get in too at Trent. So
we've got into this discussion earlier where Jay Cutler had
a great arm, but I thought he threw a hard ball.
Big Ben's got a great arm, but he often throws
it behind receivers. I know Maholmes is some godlike super
arm talent. I think it's touch as long as you

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can make ninety five percent of the throws. What do
you make of the term arm talent? Well, I think
I invented it. To be honest with you, I don't
know if I invented. I started using on TV before
anybody else about twelve years ago because I was really
frustrated with exact conversation. I just left the league. I
was evaluating college guys for ESPN. I was working with

(01:12:32):
the lead eleven, and I kept getting these conversations, these
archaic conversations with personnel people about arm strength, and I
was like, I don't understand, you know why arm strength
there is this big differentiator amongst quarterbacks. I just got
done playing. I've studied the best guys, I played against
the best guys, and it wasn't always their arm strength
that differentiated them. It was so many other things about

(01:12:54):
their talent. And I was sitting with a GM, a
Super Bowl GM or having this conversation. He was challenge
me on what is talent as an evalu where you're
looking at a talent talent of an offensive guard, town
as a receiver, talents are running back talent, as an
NBA player, a baseball player, lacrosse player, soccer player. Well,
talent encompasses all the different traits that that athlete has.

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And I said, what if we called it armed talent?
And by using the term arm talent, it's saying he
has a lot of different talents within his arm. He
can change the temple on the ball. He can use touch,
he can throw it deep, he can anticipate, he can
change arm angles. And if we start using a term
in evaluation circles of armed talent, then hopefully people are

(01:13:37):
smart enough to differentiate between strength power right. I love
Mangini's the example of the hammer right, or an encompassing
talent that really shows that, Wow, this guy can do
a lot of things throwing the football. That's what arm
talent was intended to be. It's just been hijacked by

(01:13:58):
lazy analysts that want to use a fit instays saying
armed strength, they say armed talent when that was never
the intent. You played in Tampa Bay, and I love
asking people who have played in Tampa Bay. Yesterday I
asked Brandon Marshall about jet stuff because he's played there.
I always thought New England's culture was academic and intense.
I've always thought Tampa's talent was loose, too loose for

(01:14:21):
my taste, not as urgent, not as intent, and not
as serious. I don't worry about Brady completing passes. I
wonder how his intensity will fit into the more relaxed
Tampa I mean, you and I were both there, into
the more laws affair, relaxed culture of Tampa. Do you
think it fits well? I agree with you. That is

(01:14:43):
typically the Tampa proper mentality. I think two things on
this topic. One, you don't have a choice when Tom
Bray's your quarterback. The edge of uncomfortable is where you
find greatness. He's gonna make everybody uncomfortable and because of that,
they're gonna find their greatness. Is gonna be growing pains
in that there's any pushback in that they're not going
to agree with his ways all the time. But guess what,

(01:15:05):
you don't have a choice. You gotta jump on and
follow him because he will drag you to a championship.
I do think there's another element, though, and you know
this about Tampa. There's another whole nother part about Tampa,
and that's the East Coast migration. There are a lot
of hard edge, high achieving, academic intens people that spend
a lot of time in Tampa, but aren't Buck fans.

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I think now they will. They will gravitate to the
Buck new mentality. They will gravitate to Tom Brady and
his intensity, and they'll have a reason to be bucking
yours fans because he relates more to their hard edge
mentality from these coasts. Yeah, you know, yesterday Brandon Marshall said,
it's an interesting use of words. He said, the Packers

(01:15:50):
have wasted Aaron Rodgers career, and to that, I would
say winning super Bowls there's no rhyme or reason. Dan
Marino and Dan Fountain, Jim Kelly were great with great
they didn't win it. I mean, who can explain it?
You know? I like Eli. I don't know if he's
two super Bowls great Eli, but he want him. Well,
what do you make of the word Aaron Rodgers' career

(01:16:12):
in Green Bay has been wasted? I think it's a
little strong. I think you can use not maximized instead
of wasted. I think you have a generational talent. Aaron
Rodgers one of the top five most talented guys ever
played the position a very good leader to an intense guy,
a hard worker, a tough guy. You know, has all

(01:16:32):
these tangibles, and they never supported him with one other
defining trait with the team, so they kind of put
too much on him. I would argue the one common
nominator in all these multi, multiple super Bowl winning quarterbacks
is supported by a great defense or a great defensive
coaches coaching mind. Yeah, I still believe defenses win championships

(01:16:56):
and multiple championships. Yes, the game is changing, Yes you
need to invest more on offense, but not arguing that
side of it. But if you go back down that
list that you went through earlier, the common denominator, there's support.
Those quarterbacks were supported by great defenses or a great
defensive mind. People never give the great forty nine ers
teams enough credit for the defensive football they played. I

(01:17:19):
grew up in the Bay Area. Joe Montana's epic He's amazing,
so as Roger Craigs, though as Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark,
Brent Jones. However, those defenses were snuff at Kating and
it gave the ball back to Joe. Terry Bradshaw gave
the ball back to Terry, Tom Brady. Belichick's deefis gave
the ball back to Tom Brady. Troy Aikman's defenses in

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Dallas gave the ball back to Troy Aikman. So I
would say the big whiff in Green Bay was they
didn't have the foresight to invest a lot of money
into their defense. I think they made some Matt Hire
some defensive coaching defenseive coordinator coaching positions. They should have
supported air and better with the better defense. I don't
believe in purity and pro sport. It's about talent. Not

(01:18:01):
everybody's going to have my values. I totally get it.
I just don't want them to be disruptive. But I'd
roll the dice on some people. Antonio Brown, Seahawks ravens
Or mentioned your thoughts. Two of the great culture coaches
in football. Two guys I respect as much as anybody
that create a culture where you can be yourself in

(01:18:21):
the locker room. Their players love them. They create competitive environments.
You're free to be. Like I said, you're free to
be who you are because of those teams thrive, yere
and and you're out. They can take on some risk
unlike other teams with bad culture. However, I know how
talented Antonio Brown is, I know what a difference to

(01:18:42):
maker he is. But at the end of the day,
it is not about willias and jokes. It is about
the holistic development of your organization from owner all the
way down. And when you bring in that type of
alpha personality with that type of baggage with his other
issues is just with the league alone. I don't even
know if Pete and Don could absorb that type of risk.

(01:19:06):
I don't know. It's it's it's really, to be honest
with you, it's the only NFL narrative I'm following right now.
I get all my NFL from you. Um, this is
really the narrative that I'm paying attention to because it's
fascinating to me. If a team is we're willing to
take on this type of risk. If you ran the Jets,
would you trade Jamal Adams or keeping? What would you do?

(01:19:27):
I pay him. I think he's a fantastic player if
he's willing to stay there with a new contract. Um.
I actually like his personality. I like the edgy grates
in the locker room. I would do everything I could
have to keep him. Yeah, and I think you're probably right.
I said the other day, I have a new rule.
If I draft you and you're the best player in

(01:19:49):
the league within two years, I'll pay it early. Yep.
That's kind of my overpay him, yeah, because that's the
whole game. Guy. You can overpay a guy like that
and then have the less impactful negotiation issues with you know,
B plus players but don't have them with your eight

(01:20:11):
plus players. Good talking to you, have a nice summer.
You're the best man. Yeah, fifteen years, Pro Bowlsoverer Bowl,
Trent Dilfer. That's a good way to say it. Don't
have don't have contentious negotiations with your best players. If
you got to get contentious with a right guard, get contentious,
but don't don't take care of yours. You know. That's
what Jimmy Johnson used overs always say what was I

(01:20:34):
treat them? What was? Jimmy Johnson said, I treat all
my players the same, except differently, Like, yeah, I treat
them all the same, different, like Troy Quin's different than
the right guard. I just don't want to understand the
value of drafting someone and then then they get good
and then you don't want them. There no Jimmy Johnson saying,
was I treat them all fair? I don't treat them
the same. Yeah, like Gooley gives me hockey scores. Some

(01:20:58):
days I'm in a bad mood and I let have it.
Where'd two we go? Did he disappear into the ether?
Where I haven't seen two in? Oh, you're in the
is in my ear? Here, you're in the control room.
It must be nice. He's got you know, Pinot green
and bagels. Back there. We're out here hammering stuff on

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(01:22:43):
summer having babies? Some Avery Bradley's son has a respiratory concern.
Do you think it's possible there would anybody would harbor
resentment on a player that would back out of playing
in Orlando. It's possible, but I'm not sure that you
can hold it against a person. You know, each person's

(01:23:03):
has to make an individual decision. Obviously, there's no playbook
that we seem to go through something like this. So
a guy like Avery Bradley without teammates knowing the whole
situation that when they first heard about it, they may
say it, okay, why is he not coming? We're fighting
for a championship, but not knowing that he's dealing with
family issues or could potentially do with family issue. So
there'll be guys with situations like that that you just

(01:23:24):
can't hold against them. And like I said, you want
to show solidarity, but in this situation, you have to
make a decision based on you and your family and
your well being. In my life, NBA playoffs have overwhelmingly
favored veteran players. Veteran players can manipulate refts, they can
manipulate series. They know when to turn it on turn

(01:23:44):
it off. It becomes a very intellectual game. It's about
kind of manipulating and massaging the sport as you get
into the postseason and knowing when to really what moments
matter more. And that's why I think the NBA's always
rewarded kind of the men of the NBA as we
get later in the season. But this is different, and
some of those older bones may need more time. You know.

(01:24:08):
I look at myself and I look at Zion and
the Pelicans, and I'm like, I don't know if i'd
want to face them in the first round. There's a
lot I don't know about Zion. Could this be the
weird year that a Pelican team with a bunch of
new parts, young guys, tons of energy, ready to go
pops in the playoffs. It could definitely be that year.

(01:24:29):
You know, that'd be exciting for everybody to watch. But
like you say, on the flip side of that, veteran
players and guys who have been around know how to
prepare and obviously there's nothing like playing basketball and doing
five on five things, but guys know how to take
care of their bodies. They know when they're in tune
with their bodies and where they need to be at
a certain time. So I'm sure they've been ramping it
up as they've gotten word that you know, this is
really going to happen. And on the other side, like

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you said, at the young guys or it's come with
a lot of energy, you know, and they know that's
one of their gifts in this situation to have as
much energy as possible, continue to really push the pace
and try to get easy ba ascus and gay out
and run as much as possible. So it'll be interesting, dynamic,
and if I'm not there, I'm gonna enjoy watching it.
So Joy and I have said, I've seen baseball games
with no fans it's called spring training. And I've watched

(01:25:13):
football games with no fans. I've watched spring college football games,
but I've never seen basketball with no fans. And there
is a stylistic element to NBA basketball that I love.
It's a little bit of showtime. It's you know, Rucker
Park in New York. It's always had a stylistic component
to the game that I love. There's a little bit
of art to basketball. Well, there's gonna be no fans,

(01:25:36):
it's gonna feel hollow, like what am I gonna watch here?
Do you think the game becomes a little more one
on one, a little more trash talky with nobody in
the stands? Yeah, it definitely goes back to the playground, right,
It's like the summer when it's just you guys in
the gym that it's probably kicks in. You feel like
it's a more level playing field. So you're not playing
on the road or you're not playing at home. You know,
you don't have that kind of safety net. You just

(01:25:58):
have to go for it and have pride and understand
the bigger picture what you're shooting for. But I think
you'll definitely see more engagement as far as trash talking
and kind of guys going at each other because you
have to kind of muster up your own energy as well,
you know, and that's when the pribbe really kicks in.
It's gonna be an interesting dynamic, but like I said,
it should be a lot of fun to watch. I
think we'll see some things we weren't even thinking about

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generally in the NBA regular season. Jamal Crawford joining us,
it's kind of understood that you got to get to
about late January, right before the trading deadline, and all
the chemistry sort of kicks in. Well, you don't have
a lot of time now, like we got eight games
that we're going to the playoffs? Could it be clunky basketball?
Is there a team or two you look at and think,

(01:26:41):
you know what, they'll be able to flip a switch,
They'll be able to make it work, because I've never
we've never seen anything like this. Four months off and
then you zero to sixty go. Who does that benefit? Oh?
I think it benefits a team like the Lakers have
EVET players. I think it benefits a team like the
Clippers because maybe a couple of their guys, a couple
of their key guys, were a little bit banged up.

(01:27:03):
Now they've had a chance to rest and get healthy.
And when you take time off like that, you know
you're ready to go. You're really charged up. You're ready
to get out there and get back to your comfort zone.
And playing in that competitive nature kicks in. So I
think it really benefits those guys. The young guys have
been working, like we said, and they know what they're
playing for, shot to get to the playoffs, a team
like the Pelicans. So it'll be very, very fun and

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you'll see some stuff that may shock you in some ways.
So let's talk about this. So I could look at
it two ways. I could say, because of the pandemic,
players have never been around their family and kids more.
I mean, they've been with them for four months. So
the first ten to fifteen days they've probably get a
break going to Orlando and they'll be concerts and the
food's great. And then there's part of me that thinks, okay,

(01:27:47):
they've gone from isolation to another isolation platform. So do
you let me just ask you, how do you think
you all the years in the NBA, you're used to
the travel, you're used to be in those hotel rooms
by yourself. Will it wear down players with the isolation
in the bubble? How does it work? Yeah? I've seen
they had, you know, Barber's come in in different entertainment values.

(01:28:10):
But you know, I think mentally you have to make
that transition and change before you actually go there. Right,
you have to know, Okay, I'm really about to be
in isolation. I'm really about to lock in on Netflix
or whatever it is. I'm really about to get lost
in my team, and I'm really going to sacrifice and
stay mentally locked in for these next two to three months.
And that's what you have to make the change at it.
If you mentally lock in before you go there, no

(01:28:30):
matter how hard it is, you understand the goal, you're
shooting for it and it's worth the sacrifice. So yeah,
I think the mental change in transition will happen before
they actually step foot there. So you've played almost twenty
years in the NBA, and I want to talk about
how the league has changed. So when you entered the league,
college basketball was kind of like the platform that sent
your players. Now they come internationally, Now they come from

(01:28:52):
G league. The game is now more tailored to you.
You probably wish you would have entered the league now
with more three pointers. It's it's a get up and
down the floor, shoot space league. Do you I would
think you like the new NBA, but it's kind of centerless.
What do you make of the cultural changes to your
sport and the sport in general going forward? I like

(01:29:15):
the changes. I think you have to adapt, you have
to continue to move things forward. I think it's fun
to watch obviously, you know, who doesn't want to shoot
a lot of three pointers and get up and down
the court. But I also think there is a place
for the center, you know. And I think you see
the slowdown game as the playoffs coming to play, and
that's where teams and people really start watching even a
lot more. It's because it's more of a grinded out
in possessions to mean more. You know, it's not so

(01:29:36):
free flowing. It's it's about heart and will and how
you're going to play chess and kind of figure out
different situations. But like you said, when our first came
into the league, no matter how good a shooter you were,
if you took six to seven threes a game, especially
as a point guard, you end up on the bench.
Your job is to get the ball, to get the
ball to the wing, score a dominant score, whether it
be Kobe or Paul Pierson, McGrady or iverson guys like that,

(01:29:57):
or get the ball in the shack Duncan or Garnette,
you know. So it's just a different game. So it's
definitely Taylor made towards the guards, and it's fun. It's
a fun time to go and I'm training my son
the same way. We're shooting a lot of three pointers,
we're getting to the basket, we're shooting everything in between.
So it's a fun way to play. I think kids
enjoy it, you know. I think it's based on skill.
Now it's just a younger league. When I was coming

(01:30:17):
into the league, if you were in school for a year,
you were looked at his you know, a project or
having potential. Now the NBA kind of clamors for guys
have only been there a year. They're like they can
get with the best players in the world, the best systems,
and get better here against the best players instead of
staying four years. You know how much you're going to
improve in their mind if you stay four years already.
So it's interesting to watch the shift, but it's been fun.

(01:30:38):
You know. One of the things I worry about, and
I've said this, I worry about a player going from
like a high school to the pros because of the
emotional issues. You can't go to a bar, you can't
go to a club, and there's isolation. You were a
three times six Man of the Year award, clearly good
enough to start for a majority of NBAA teams. So

(01:30:59):
I could argue not only your skill, but your maturity
and your coachability and your flexibility kept you in the
league for a lot of years. You weren't somebody I
mean you would just say I'm going to accept my
role off the bench, and I'm gonna be the best
bench player in the league. Go back to nineteen years.
Were there are players that you watched Because I do
look at young guys coming to the league and think, man,

(01:31:19):
we don't spend enough time emotionally with these guys coaches.
If a guy's not if a guy didn't hit by
year three, a coach just bails on him and wait
for the next draft pick. Go back to your career.
Do you think your maturity is why you lasted two decades?
Did you see players with more talent than perhaps you
that didn't work because they weren't emotionally ready for this league. Absolutely,

(01:31:41):
and you have to have a certain level of maturity.
You have to have good vets. I think vets are
so underrated, and not just in sports. I think even
in your job, you know who better learn from than
you or and the people that have done it for
so long. For a young up and comer coming up,
you know, to tell them, hey, do this, don't do that,
and stay away from this, and you should do this more.
Those things vets were instrumental in my career, you know.
And it's about getting out of yourself. And that's how

(01:32:04):
I kind of come came to coming off the bench.
For me, I'd never come off the bench before in
my life, but I was tired of being known as
a good score on bad teams. Here I am halfway
in my career. And when you do that, you sacrifice that.
You sacrifice starting roles, you sacrifice a chance to make
the All Star team. Obviously, if you make All Star teams,
you make more money, you know. But I wasn't worried
about any of that. I was like, what's best for
my team. I want to be known as a winner,

(01:32:25):
and I think this is the best way for me
to come off the bench, you know. I try to
embrace that role. And you can't have an ego, you know,
you have to really stay in love with the game.
You have to continue to learn, you have to continue
to mature, and I think you'll have a long career,
and I think those things are instrumental. Is your son
a point guarding He's a comvo guards. He's kind of
tall right now for his age, so he plays both.

(01:32:45):
He plays point in shooting guard. How old is he
He's ten. He just turns ten. So when will he
beat you? Oh no, no, no, no, no, that's not happening.
I have an older son who I have an older
son who plays college basketball. He plays too, and he
we've been playing all summer and he's yet to beat me.
So I'm still sharp, even though you haven't seen me

(01:33:05):
on the NBA cord, I'm still sharp. I'm ready to go. Okay, Yeah, Jamal,
absolute pleasure man. You've aged well. He's a smart guy.
A credit to the game. I just love having you
on the show. You're always welcome anytime you want to
come on. Please call my producer, my man whenever you
want me. I appreciate it. Thank you, all right, Jamal
Crawford just a total credit to the NBA. Like every
that guy's one of those guys works on every roster,

(01:33:27):
shoot score, coach, smart, sacrifice, that's what it's all about.
Team Sports. Joy Taylor of the News, No, No turn
on the news This is the Herd Line News Sir
Roger Goodella said the NFL was wrong for not in
listening to the player's message when they began kneeling in
two thousand and sixteen and encouraged teams to give Colin
Kaepernick another chance, but Lebron James thinks Kaepernick still deserves

(01:33:50):
a direct apology from the league. As far as the NFL,
I'm not in those locker rooms. I'm not with those guys,
but I do understand that an apology. I have not
heard a true official apology to Colin Kaepernick on what
he was going through and what he was trying to
tell the NFL and tell the world about why he

(01:34:11):
was kneeling when he was doing that as a San
Francisco forty nine er. So I just see that to
be still be wrong. And now they are listening some,
but I still think we have not heard that official
apology to a man who basically sacrificed everything for the
better the's world. Quite good one, I mean I think

(01:34:33):
that he should. It's kind of hard to say that
you're embracing everything that's happening and then at the same
time be kind of like vaguely speaking about the person
who not only started it but also sacrifice the most
because of the message. Like, obviously there were a lot
of guys that kneeled, and most of those guys are

(01:34:55):
still in the NFL. Obviously Kaepernick is a quarterback. It's
a different situation. I understand all that. But we all
know Kaepernick is not in the league because he chose
to do that. But now in the space that we
are in now, the conversations that we're having, now, if
you say that you support black lives matter, that you
understand what Kaepernick's message does, now that you know it's
not about the flag, it's kind of it's kind of

(01:35:18):
hard to say all yeah and then not say yeah, Like,
Kaepernick was right and he deserves an apology for the
way that he was treated by the league. I mean,
obviously got very contentious at one point. But here we are,
like we're having that conversation now, he was right, He
was doing the right thing. Whether like you feel like
you shouldn't protest at work. It was the platform that
he had and he chose to use it. I feel

(01:35:40):
like that he should get an apology as well. I
understand where Lebron is coming from also like he sacrificed
three and a half years of the prime of his career.
Whatever you think that Kaepernick was. If he comes into
the league now, he is going to have suffered from
not being in a league for the past couple of years,
even as a backup competition and practices, going through training camp,
being in meeting rooms like he's he's not been able

(01:36:02):
to do that. Now he has been working out, but
as we know, keep talking about this right now, dealing
with a pandemic, there's a difference between you know, making
sure that you're in good shape and throwing to some
receivers and also being in training camp and being on
the sidelines or getting in the game as a backup quarterback.
So I think he's going to get an opportunity this year,
and I think that he should. But I also think

(01:36:23):
it's time to just directly say it, not dance around it.
So Dwayne Haskins has a lot to prove going into
his second year in the NFL. Washington's senior VP of
player Development, Zug Williams, has a lot of faith in
the young quarterback and some high praise for his talent. Okay,
who came out this year, lads ship. There's not a
quarterback that come out in the last two years that

(01:36:44):
has a dealing it. From my um strength standpoint, m
talent that Dwayne asking add Dwayne can throw with the
rest of them, not mentally. He has to control the
other point. And I think he has aligned himself and
realize that's what he has to do. And I think
that's what he's doing. I think at the end of
the day, give him the opportunity to do what everybody

(01:37:05):
else do and that is to improve of one his day. Yeah,
we'll see. So I did a list today. Everyone's very
mad at you. Patrick. Mahomes is trending on Twitter. Why
and the break I like to check and like, you know,
see if any you know those updates on anything, it's
trending because I saw that Mahomes was trending to get like,
oh Mahomes news, Like that's that's fun. Oh Nope, it's

(01:37:27):
just everyone trying to figure out why Mahomes is not
in your top five lists of top five arm talents.
Either is Carson Wentz and you know I love both Wentz,
not Wentz is not trending. So the point was I
didn't like the term arm talent. That's why I brought
two guests on to talk about it. No, I agree
with you. I think the idea of arm strength and
who's got a crown and he could throw it over

(01:37:49):
the mountains is like, okay, I was awesome. You can
throw the length of the football field. Is it going
to land in a receiver's hands in a catchable position
that leads him away from And I said, five guys
that told him most catchable ball. Now our staff put
top five armed talents, and I told him during the break,
I said, people are gonna they're not gonna understand that phrase.
These are the top five most catchable balls in the league.

(01:38:12):
The balls instride, the ball as soft, it's a tight spiral.
Russell Wilson, Brady Breeze, Kyler Golf. I'm not saying my
arm talents is a condensed version of what you're saying yet.
But but Mahomes is, I said, the most talented quarterback
in the league. So that's why I hated when my
staff put that. I'm like, no, it's going to confuse
the audience of the audience. Just sports we have on often, Yeah, asked,

(01:38:36):
did did Pat Mahomes retire? So I just knew this
was trending on Twitter. People are upset at you. Yeah, finally.
Liverpool became this season's Premier League champions Thursday night, after
Chelsea beat Manchester City two to one. Even with seven
games or remaining, man City is too far behind in
points to catch. Liverpool champs dominated the entire season and

(01:38:58):
they have led in the standings since the second week.
This is the team's first title in thirty years. It
was huge yesterday and the first ever in the Premier League.
Excited to this is not the nineteenth title in Liverpool's
history and they had hast They've lost just once and
drawn twice this season. They have a goal difference of
plus forty seven. All over there, it's Chelsea and it's

(01:39:19):
Many Manchester United and Liverpool's always it's a little bit
under and then all of a sudden pow. Liverpool's gotten
very trendy in America over the last five years. It
has a lot of media people like Liverpool. Well. MLS
is returning on July eighth, so we will get our
soccer back in just about a week, two weeks. I'm
looking forward to good stuff. Joey Taylor with the News

(01:39:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. I
don't mind getting crushed on the internet. I'm not going
to be on the internet today because I already have
a big party tonight. Excuse me. Yeah, so, but it's
I knew when we put up armed talent. That's why
I brought Dilfer and Manginie on and but they both
agreed with me that this arm talent thing is just
not who can throw the ball farther or from a

(01:40:04):
weird angle? It's can you do touch? Do you throw
a nice deep ball? Are you are you good in
the flat seam route? Do you lead your receiver like
I think Big Ben has a great arm and Cam
has a great arm, but man, they can be wildly
inconsistent leading. I think Jay Cutler had a great arm.
He threw a hard ball. Kaepernick had no curveball. Kaepernick
was like heat. He was just like a fastball guy.

(01:40:27):
But you knew people were gonna be mad at you
this before we even did that. Second. If Patrick Mahomes
comes on and yells at me, I'm good with it.
You know I've said before, the two best quarterbacks in
the league today, right, Mahomes Russell Wilson. That's the two
best quarterbacks. The rest of you can argue about everybody else.
Let's just go with those two. That's it, all right.
I don't care if I trend. I I really don't.

(01:40:48):
I'm not into the hole. You know. It's amazing what trends.
Sometimes you'll you'll go online. I'll turn because I don't
sit on the phone much, like hour a day. That's it.
Like most people are on seven eight hours. And whenever
I go, I turn it on. In the trend ending,
it's the silliest stuff that's trending. It can be like
somebody and then if somebody trends, they always put that
Denzel Washington picture up, like so I hope he didn't die.

(01:41:11):
It's like, I mean, it's the same stuff. I love
how you consume the Internet. It's amazing. I think this
is a good thing. This will give somebody, you know,
something to discuss some sports today. It's like a gift.
You're welcome. Jason McIntyre ends every Friday show Tomorrow's headlines
Today strangely bizarrely accurate. That's coming up. Be sure to

(01:41:32):
catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon. Easter
nin a Empacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and
the iHeartRadio app. So my staff just got me in
all sorts of trouble. It's actually funny. So I'm trending
in America number one now and Holmes is the number
one trending topic in America right now. So I told
my staff, I said, put top five the most catchable

(01:41:53):
balls in the NFL, and they just put arm talent.
And I said, well, arm talent confuses people because I
think when has one of the great arm talents in
the world. But I don't think he throws the most
catchable ball. He can throw like fast balls, and sometimes
you know, he's not always great at leading people. And
I didn't put Mahomes in and people are just freaking out,
which I find quite enjoyable. I mean, it's it's giving

(01:42:16):
people a reason to discuss sports on a Friday. So
I'm saving America. So you are You're providing a service.
I think, once again, Yeah, I am good for America.
You are America's media icon. I think that goes without saying.
So let's bring in Jason McIntyre via the Cowroglobal satellite network.
Tomorrow's Headlines Today is bizarrely accurate. I'm not even gonna

(01:42:38):
get into this thing. I'm think Patrick Mahomes just followed
you on Instagram because he's about to yell at you.
I mean, Colin, come on, there's no way. Okay, So
I'm gonna rename the the list. So we're making a
new name for it, which is what I wanted initially.

(01:42:58):
And my staff, you know, my off once again, I'm
just bailing water to keep this thing afloat. This whole
damn show's sinking every day. All right, it's called Tomorrow's headlines. Today,
here we go. What will the headline be for the
most disappointing team in baseball? Very excited for the baseball comeback?

(01:43:19):
Can't wait listen to Houston Astros are kind of the
most hated team in sports right now. I think they're
a big story. The headline will be cheaty, cheaty bag bang,
classic movie, Colin. I've got the Astros missing the playoffs,
and I know that's gonna sound crazy. Some of the
Vegas odds really like the Astros this year. The talents there,

(01:43:40):
we know that quick note. Two of their four starters
are coming off surgery, including Verlander. But I just think
the mental aspect of sitting at home for four months
getting crushed on the internet kind of like you. Today,
the Astros are basically being called sheeting frauds every day
they go on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. I personally don't like
this team. I think they ruined baseball with this cheating scandal.

(01:44:03):
But if they missed the playoffs, I think that would
be great for Major League Baseball. All right, tomorrow's headlines today?
What will the headline be for the team that wins
the National League? Yeah, Dodgers out here, man Colin. That
was a rough one last year, one hundred and six
wins and then losing the playoffs. The headline will be

(01:44:24):
Kershawshank Rande the movie thing today. Huh, they're like in
that movie. Theaters are open now. But seriously, the Dodgers
should be back in the World Series. It would be
a colossal upset if they're not. Okay, they went out
and stole Mookie Betts, David Price. We just need Kershaw
to deliver in the postseason. And remember, Colin, last four

(01:44:44):
years the Dodgers have been knocked out of the postseason
by the eventual World Series winner. This year, Dodgers definitely
going back to the World Series. Yeah, I mean Mookie beats.
You can make an argument he and Mike Trout are
the best players in baseball. So the Dodgers, both of
them just down the road in southern California. All right,
tomorrow's headlines today? What will be the headline for the

(01:45:04):
team that wins the World Series? So this team has
won the most regular season games in the last decade. Amazingly,
they did not make it to the World Series. The
headline will be the Evil Empire strikes back. Come on,
it's movie Friday. Colin the New York Yankees. I think
they're a lock to win the World Series. They're the

(01:45:25):
betting favorites. They've got basically top five offense in every
category that matters. Then they add Garrett Cole, the superstar
pitcher from the Astros. You saw the stat about Coal
last year, right, one strikeout in seventy three straight innings.
And listen, I know there's gonna be high variants this
year in baseball. With sixty games, anybody can get hot

(01:45:45):
for two weeks. That there's gonna be some urgency. And
you love to talk about how some sports lack of urgency,
basketball baseball, You're gonna see that right with sixty games.
But the Yankees top to bottom are healthy, They're great.
They're your World Series champs. All right, Let's say we
had Brandon Marshall on yesterday and he was saying he
thinks they've wasted Aaron Rodgers career and it made some

(01:46:07):
national you know shows and all that stuff. So tomorrow's
headlines today, as we segue to the NFL, what do
you think will be the headline for the Green Bay
Packers by the end of the year. You're basically Aaron
rodgers best friend with everything you say kind about him.
On the best one, the headline will be Aaron out

(01:46:30):
of contention. Listen, We've been saying this for a couple
of months. I don't like the Packers this year, Colin.
I'll give everybody a great stat applies to gambling, applies
to everything. Packers were eight and one in one score
games last year. Yeah, historically that regresses, so they're not
gonna win all those close games. The defense could not
stop the run at all. I just think there's gonna

(01:46:51):
be a tug award between the head coach and the quarterback.
Do we want to run or do we want to pass?
And until you can figure that out. Because the coach
wants to run Rogers, we know. I mean, the guy's
turning thirty seven in December. He's gonna want to throw
the football. I see the Packers sliding a little bit.
No playoffs for Green Bay. I also think there's an
argument to be made that Phil the NFC overall, the

(01:47:13):
Rams will be a better team. The girly situation's done.
The Eagles cannot be as physically beat up. Full starts
for Chicago, There'll be a better football team. Arizona will
be a better football team. I think you start looking around.
I mean, Mike McCarthy now with Dak could be potentially
a better football team. Daniel Jones year or two. I
think the NFC is just getting better, and it's a

(01:47:35):
it's a yeah, not a knock on the Packers, but
the conference is getting better every year. Yeah. Every time
I mentioned the Detroit Lions on your show, because they're
my team this year in the NFC, Lions are going
to the playoffs, I get the same messages online from
like eight people. Are you serious the Lions? Colin Detroit's
gonna be real deal this year in the NFC. So
you good laugh, It's fine. No, that's okay. Jason McIntyre

(01:47:57):
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what is? What is? What's the internet saying? Now? Anymore
hate from yes? And they come at me. I'm responsible

(01:48:19):
for this. What do they say, like, do you agree
with this and whatnot? Are you trying to help me
out and clarify what I was trying to say. I mean,
we're putting out a new I will retweet the new graphic.
I'm with you though the graphic is very confusing. Yeah,
so I didn't like the graphic this morning. I said,
people are not going to understand. So that's why I
brought on dilferd Mangini to try to massage kind of
what I was saying, which is, your title is not

(01:48:39):
really gonna fit as nicely on the ground. Yeah. My
title was who throws them? If you're a wide receiver,
who throws the most catchable ball in the league. That's
what it. But the graphic people are like, that doesn't
fit on a graphic It doesn't. And I'm like, well,
don't get a better graphic machine. I mean, it's just
there's ways to make it fit, but it's just it
doesn't really like roll off the tongue as nicely as

(01:49:02):
ARM Talent. Well, you know, I could be trending for
a lot worse. So I mean, if this is it's
you know, it's outrageous that you don't have my homes
on the ARM Talent list. I know, listen and everybody
knows I like my homes. I put them on the
top of my list, and I always I've always put
Carson Wentz. I didn't have him in there either, So
it wasn't like Carson Wentz is not as divisive I
think as Yeah, maybe lets off, all right, let's see Okay,

(01:49:27):
I'm done for the day, Christ Rustar, Eric Mangini, Trent Dilfer,
I'm trending, Jamal Crawford, Jason McIntyre all to the fantastic job.
And we're gonna go out and get a new graphics department.
I mean, just get a bigger graphics machine. Well, let's
get it figured out right. Let's just you know, what
are we doing here? All right? Well, see you Monday.
Be safe. The herd

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