Dak Wants Too Much, Raiders Dysfunction and Rookie QB’s to Watch

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Doing a lot of binge watching, that right I have?
I have watched so many baseball documentaries. I watched one

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last night about the Portland Mavericks shysterical. You've got to
watch it, folks. I watched one a couple of days ago, Screwball,
which is all sorts of crazy Miami baseball rodd stuff.
Watch some good documentaries, watch a lot of TV, and
as the football season gets close, I want to start
with this in our number one. I'm listening to all

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the Dak stuff and demanded forty million dollars, which has
been disputed. It doesn't really matter. When you get into
a contract negotiation, you know, there's all a bunch of
stuff thrown out there. You throw out numbers. It doesn't
matter if Dak did demand forty million dollars. Okay, it
doesn't really matter. That's not what he's going to sign for.
And when you get into contract negotiations, you just throw

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stuff out there. I've been out there. You ask for
stuff you know you're not gonna get. You asked for
stuff you think you're gonna get. You asked for stuff
you're pretty sure you're gonna get. He's not gonna get
forty million. Who cares what he asked for? The bottom
line is where does he land? Okay, but the way
the Cowboys are handling this is not nearly as good
as the way the Philadelphia Eagles handled this. Remember the
day Carson went signed his deal, we were like, oh,

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we didn't even know they were working on it, and
they signed it. They'll make thirty two million a year
and it doesn't even start for two more year year.
So by the time Carson Wentz is in the middle
of his contract. You're gonna be saying, not a bad contract,
that's a reasonable contract. But I like the way Philadelphia
did their business. And by the way, in the NBA,
I care about your stars. Where do the stars go?

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I like the Clippers this year. I like the Lakers
this year. Where do your stars go? But in the NFL,
you know how in baseball they always talk about you
gotta be good up the middle, catcher, pitcher, shortstop, second base,
center fielder. In baseball, you gotta be good up the middle.
In the NFL, you gotta be good in four spots
owner GM, coach, quarterback. This is why I think the

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Philadelphia Eagles will dominate their division and dominate the Cowboys
for the next year. Jeffrey Lourie, the owner, Howie Roseman
the GM, Doug Peterson the coach, and Carson Wentz to me,
you're all B plus array. And if you're a B
plus array in the big four spots owner GM, coach, quarterback,
you are a Super Bowl contender. This is why I
find the Dallas Cowboys for me as always been a

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very difficult team to evaluate. Jerry Jones. I think he's
a good businessman. I don't like his football stuff. Steven Jones.
I actually think he's the best of the four, but
I'm not sure he always has the right call. Jason Garrett,
Dak Prescott like him, don't love him. They're very difficult
for me to evaluate. In baseball, you want to be

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good up the middle, got to have the all star catcher,
all star shortstop, good second baseman, the athletic center fielder,
and somebody that can throw the pill on the mound.
But in football, it's all about the Big Four owner GM,
quarterback and coach in Dallas. This is why I struggle
with Cleveland. Owner in Cleveland, hard pass coach Freddie Kitchens,

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no idea, GM, John Dorsey, loud ego, rigid, doesn't care
about character. Not my favorite. Baker talented. He may be
the best of the four. Actually, you may be surprised
for me to hear that Baker may be the best
of the four. He may be the best over the
next ten years of the four Bay and I have
my certain reservations about him, though I think he's talented.

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If you look at me and you listen to my show,
I always liked the teams, not always with great quarterbacks.
That's not true. I don't like New Orleans. This year
they got a great quarterback. I don't always love teams
with great quarterbacks. I like teams that I like the GM,
Bruce Veach in Kansas City, Chris Ballard in Indianapolis, Belichick

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largely running New England, Howie Roseman in Philadelphia, Tom Talesco
with the Chargers, by the way, the Rams. I live
in Los Angeles. I've pushed back on the Rams a little.
I think they overpaid massively for Brandon Cooks. I don't
like that contract, and they paid Todd Gurley a year early.
They didn't have to. I didn't love that contract, and
I didn't say it after he got hurt. I said

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it before he got hurt. Why japa him a year early?
I think the Rams, when they eventually have to pay
Jared Goff, will have to overcome those bad contracts. This
is my problem. Watch how the Cowboys are handling the
DAK situation, and then watch them a homes deal in
Kansas City. You know it's gonna happen one day in

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the next year, We're gonna make wake up. I'm gonna
come to this show and he's gonna have signed a
deal and nobody will have talked about it. Bruce Veach
will have signed a deal. We're like, oh, it already
got it done, just like Philadelphia did, just like the Colts,
and Chris Baller will do eventually to Andrew Luck. Okay,
I don't even know the Chargers deal with Philip Rivers.

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Like the way the Cowboys are handling it is why
I always find them the hardest team in the NFL
to evaluate the owner. I know he's a good businessman,
but I think he's too meddling. Stephen Jones is the
best of the four, but I don't know if he
always has the final say. Jason Garrett, I like, I

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think he's more than capable, but not top five and
Dak somewhere in the middle of the NFL. Although I
do think he has a leadership qualities. I don't think
you can dispute that at this point. So the way
the Cowboys are handling this is the reason I like
the way the Eagles handled their business with their quarterback,

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and that's why I think they dominate the division for
the next ten years. You're big four. Let me segue
to this. I am not a day trader. I do
not check my four oh one k regularly. I don't
try to time the stock market. I do dollar cost
averaging every month, send a check. I am a long
term planner. Okay, that's how I think. That's how I

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was raised, That's what my dad was. I don't worry
about how I feel this morning. Did I have a
good month? When I check my TV ratings. I don't
go day to day. I go year to year, maybe
at most quarter to quarter. So I don't fall in
love because somebody has a good week, a good day,
a good press conference, a good pass. Fans are highly emotional.

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That's what they do. Joe Nameth is the best New
York Jets quarterback of all time. For the record, met
him four or five times. Could not be a nicer guy.
I mean, he was a great quarterback. He's a better dude,
and he's always around the Jets. And he was talking
to Sam Darnold yesterday. There was a press thing, and
he talked about what he liked about Sam Darnold, his
expectations for the year, win a championship when he got here.

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I liked what the coaches and the players had to
say about him when I met him. I like his demeanor.
He gives you a good vibe, a good feeling. Physically,
he can play as well as anybody, just needs to
keep polishing himself and the team needs to polly shop.

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I love Sam Darnold. In the last three years, there
have been eleven quarterbacks drafted early. I'll list them all
for you. Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins, Baker Mayfield,
Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson, Mister Trubisky,
Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson. There are two I love. Patrick

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Mahomes number one and Sam Donald number two. I think
over the next twelve years. I'm not a day trader.
I don't check my four oh one k regularly. I
do not time the stock market. Patrick Mahomes over the
next twelve years, will be the best of all those quarterbacks.
Sam Darnold will be the second best. But colin last

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year means nothing Pro Football Focus the last month, the
last four games of last year, Sam Donald was the
highest graded quarterback in the league with nothing to work with.
He is also the youngest Week one starter since the

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NFL and AFL merged. He's a baby two years younger
than Baker lot fewer college starts. That's why I don't
care what happens in Week two when the Browns face
the Jets. I don't care what happens in Week six.
Of the last eleven quarterbacks taken, Mahomes to me will

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be the first ballot Hall of Fame legend, Sam Darnold
will be the second best. I do think Deshaun Watson
and Baker have assets I really like, But I don't
think Deshaun is a naturally brilliant thrower. I worry about
his injuries, and I don't trust Houston upfront protecting him.
And Baker's in a chaotic organization. We have no idea

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about Freddie Kitchens. The Browns usually mess stuff up, and
Baker does have some character stuff an ego that does
concern me. Over the course of twelve years, I know
last year what about it means nothing? Be patient. Aaron

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Rodgers sat for three years. Patrick Mahomes didn't play for
a season. Jared Goff was awful for a year. You
watched them on Hard Knocks. All you day traders in Cleveland,
all you check my four oh one k regularly, people,
all you I time the stock market, That's not who

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I am. When I look at all these eleven quarterbacks,
I'm looking who, over the course of twelve years is
my best buy because I'm not selling these stocks. I'm
buying and holding Mahomes one, Darnold two coming up next.

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Something to think about in terms of Dak's contract again,
I don't care about the forty million dollars that made
waves yesterday. Who gives a rip again, I've been in
twelve contract negotiations. You ask for stuff you have no chance.
You ask for stuff you hope you get, and you
ask for stuff you think you're gonna get. Whether that's
true or not, it doesn't matter. That's not where they're
gonna land. And frankly, it's pretty smart business to ask hi.

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So if he does sign for thirty million, people will
be like, oh my god, you got a break. It
was forty million last week. That's the way business operates.
I got no problem. And that stuff gets floated out
Who knows who floated it out there? The cowboys could
have done it, you know, leaked it to a respected
reporter to say, look at this is outrageous what we're
dealing with. Who knows who leaked it? It just doesn't
matter it's like Twitter, it just doesn't matter, and they're

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Some industries less competitive. It's about yards. You can make mistakes.
In the AFC, it's about yards. You have four really
really elite teams at the top, New England, Kansas City,
Indie in the Chargers, but by the fifth team Cleveland

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really Bakers in his second year rookie head coach, youngest
roster bad history, Houston were stole line in the league.
No current GM quarterback last year had to be bust
because he had a punctured lung. You don't really have
a fifth team Baltimore. They don't pass much excellent at

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the top, but Houston got off to an o and
three start and won their division. New England experiments in September.
The AFC is about yards. You can make mistakes. There's
some really really bad teams at the bottom of the AFC.
You can get off to a sluggish two and three
start and then you play in order. Denver, Oakland, Buffalo

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and make up a lot of ground. The NFC is
about inches. It's too deep. Every Sunday matters. You can't
have a three game losing streak. You certainly can't start
the season. Oh and three, let's look at the top
NFC teams. It's hard to have an order we would
all agree on. I think Rams Eagles are absolutely the

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best two teams. After that, you could argue me in
and out of any position. I'll go Green Bay, Saints, Vikings.
I like the Niners more than most Bears, Cowboys, Falcon, Seahawks.
I don't even put Caroline on there, and I wouldn't
be shocked if they're a playoff team. Atlanta, by the way,
gets mentioned by nobody outside of Atlanta. In the last

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three years, they've been to a Super Bowl. They should
have won it, have an NBV quarterback, and are twenty
eight and twenty and they're a throwaway team in the NFC.
Nobody outside of Atlanta talks about Atlanta last year. I
had them preseason getting to the Super Bowl until they
fell apart physically. So the AFC is a conference of yards.

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You can start. Oh and three, you may have a
three game AFC stretch where you just face garbage. Look
at Tom Brady's division for the last fifteen years. You
can write down ten to eleven wins and not even
think about it. You and I both know the Chargers
and the Chiefs are going to finish in some order
one and two. In the AFC West, it's not debatable.

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It doesn't work that way in the NFC. That's why
Dak's contract matters. It is about details. It is about
manipulation of a hard salary cap. I mean, think how
good Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees are Hall of Fame
first ballot nine years. Neither has been to a Super

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Bowl nine years. Tom Brady, you almost feel like you're
having a hot take if you don't put him in
the Super Bowl. In the AFC, this is why contracts matter.
You need to have extra money to sign that second
corner and that second pass, and that blocking tight end

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and a really dependable second running back. This is not
the AFC where you can start oh in three. You
can have a bad contract, you can kind of butcher
a draft pick. It's not the reality of the conference.
The NFC is a crapshoot. Last sixteen years, fourteen different
quarterbacks have made the Super Bowl. In the AFC, it's

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four and one of them paid. Manning is gone, all right,
one of them is gone. And so when I look
at this deck reality, it's gonna matter what he pays,
good he gets paid, it's gonna matter. You can't go
thirty six. I don't think you can go thirty four.

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I don't think you can give up Byron Jones and
sign him. I don't think you can split those two
great young linebackers up. I think you need both. I mean,
if you look at the AFC right now, there's a
couple of young quarterbacks I like, but it is it
is run by a lot of older guys. Brady Philip Rivers,

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Big Bend. They'll be around in the end. In the NFC,
it's Drew Brees and a bunch of young guns. So
and that's what Dak's going to be facing the next
ten years of he's in Dallas as their starting quarterback.
Chris Carter talked about it this morning on First Things First.
It's funny nobody wants to embrace Jared Goff. Everybody now
is talking themselves into just paid Dak. Be careful well.

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Jared Goff to Mia is a better quarterback than Dak.
He can throw the ball, he has more variety, is
a stronger arm, he has better timing, better anticipation. His
numbers suffer when Zeke is out of the lineup. His
numbers go down by ten points. All right, golf, that's
not the case. As a passer, I will take him
over Dak Prescott any day. Young coaches, I think the

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better Young coaches, NFC, young Quarterbacks, NFC better divisions, NFC
Game of Inches, NFC. Joy with the news. No, no,
this is the herd line news. So as Andrew Lux
calf injury continues to Linger, owner Jim Ursey decided to

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throw a little extra in the pot. He revealed there's
a little bit more to it than simply the calf.
Harry was on Serious XM NFL Radio. Everyone's had their
questions about Andrew and that sort of thing, but I
really feel very confident that he's gonna find his way
through this thing. Quite frankly, this is not even in
the Achilles tended. It's another areas. It's a small little bone.

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But he's you know, he's doing very well. Man. He
couldn't be more excited for the season now. Bone injury
now super I just keep let's keep popping up over
here's the thing, Oh, you never want to throw anything
extra into a ongoing situation with an injury with your

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franchise quarterback who hasn't injury history and is not only
not participating in any preseason games, which wouldn't seem that
dramatic if he also wasn't participating in any training camp
practices and had been injured since April and has an
injury history of last rated kidney injured thumb, concussion, torn

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Labraham captain and now a small bone. The one good
thing I like, you are returning the same coordinator's coaches Oline.
They did add one receiver, Devin Funchius, but it's but
it's a still The thing about the Colts offense, it's young.
There's a lot of young people. So it's like, I
like practice. I mean, it's it's been my concern this

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entire time. Him playing in the preseason games is really
it's kind of irrelevant to me. Even if you do
have young skill positions, they'll figure it out. Like you said,
it's it's a game of yards at this point with them.
But he's not practicing, and now it's gone from a
calf injury that's had three MRIs on and you don't

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really know the severity of it, and it's lingering, and
we're patching closer to the start of the regular season, John,
what's their schedule? What's the Cults early schedule? Like at
least their first game is against the Chargers. Oh great, Oh,
you're right, I'm going to that one. That's no way,
that's no way to open us. So, yeah, you were
planning going. So their opening game is against We've talked

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about maybe the most talented complete roster in the NFL.
And I think they're on the road and that that
what is it? Chargers? Uh, Titans on the road, Falcons,
Raiders at home, Chiefs on the road. Oh lord, yeah,
I'd get it buttoned up. Outside of that Raider game,
that's a lot of path rushes. Yikes. Okay, um, yeah,

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I mean the problem is this he just he just
added more to the speculation of a how serious this
injury is. And they're only a little a little over
three weeks away from the start of the season. So
Antonio Brown is due back at Raiders training camp today. This,
of course, follows an extended absence that was caused by
his feet which are frostbitten, and his displeasure not being
able to wear kind of helmet that he prefers because

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the helmets have changed. And Brian Westbrook recently sat with
Adam Lefco of Leisha Report and impair this situation to
Tio's time with the Eagles, that this same attitude, the
same or around this team continues. It's impossible to win.
To win in this league, you have to have everybody
going in the same direction. If you have one guy

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doing something totally different, it messes up everything. I think
in Oakland a lot of the players support Antonio Brown
because of this skill set. Also he brings with him
a culture of winning. Yep, they don't have that, and
that's the problem in the locker room. I literally experienced it.
Whether Donovan McNabb was right or wrong or some things,
we supported our quarterback right. And so when we had
TiO come in, we had half the room supporting Donovan

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because they were having a problem with each other. The
other half supported TiO because all those things you just
meant he works hard, he brings it. He's a winning talent,
the best in the league. I understand what he's saying.
It is better in football when the hunt have one
mantra and everyone's going in the same direction. That said,
there's been plenty of examples of crazy stars and craziness

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going around a team and them being able to pull
off a super Bowl based off of talent. I mean,
can we take a look at the nineties Cowboys? I mean,
is they're more legendary stories than came out of that
era of football than the nineties Cowboys. I mean, you
have the two thousand and two Bucks. There's two characters
on that team there, two thousand Ravens, ninety one Giants.

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I mean, there's plenty of examples of huge personalities, issues
off the field, issues within the locker room, and teams
being able to come together. I don't think it's a
teo situation here because Antonio Brown is arguably the most
talented person on that team. Well, and I mean their
center is the best center in the league. But where's
the drop off from there? So if they don't win

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this year, you can't necessarily blame it on Antonio Brown. No,
for twenty years, I mean it's funny. For about twenty
five years, the Clippers with Dawn old Sterling felt independent
from the NBA, like they didn't travel as well, and
the Oakland aids, this is before you were born. They
had a guy named Charlie Finley owned the team. At

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one point they had a college radio station doing their
play by play. They felt separate. They were like an
independent team in the BIGS. The Raiders for the last
fifteen years joy have felt independent of the league. They
have the poorest owner, the worst game day revenue. They
hired two TV people to run it. They tarp off
the upper deck year to year. They don't know where
they're playing this. Antonio Brown actually fits their last fifteen

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years of like fascinating odd, mysterious, enigmatic weirdness, Like he's
he is not the problem. He is just he's a
He's a symptom of what the Raiders have become. He's
not the cause of this, right right exactly, Like maybe
Antonio Brown and all of this is a distraction there,
but it's not like he's stepping into a with to

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a super Bowl level team, and there's some division in
the locker room, like what are the Raiders? We have
no idea? Well there's a great example, what are they
no stars? Just kidding? Character matters bluffing. I have no
idea what they are, and with a bet, it's one
mystery after another, I have no idea what I'm getting.
So I actually think he fits the Raider's brand over

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the last fifteen years, which has been chaos and weirdness.
So finally, death taxes and Tom Brady retirement talk. He
can count on those three things. Recently, there hasn't some
questions about his future with the Patriots. He put his
house in the market and side tick it off. Nice thing.
It doesn't matter. Wasn't happy with this contract because this
thing isn't talk about it. But he's forty years old.
He's the oldest non kicker in the NFL, and he

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is not ready to talk about retirement just yet. Do
you still see yourself playing to forty five? Yeah? I do.
I certainly hope. So it's a big commitment, and it's
a lot of time and energy that's put into getting
ready for practice, post practice treatment. You know, the mental
part of the game is not the challenge. It's just
really working hard to keep my body and physic coal

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preparation physical shape. I'm certainly not a robot. There's a
lot of time and energy to prepare myself and my
body to play. I'm doing that, and I think that's
why I've been very fortunate to be able to play
as long as I have. Let us consider that he
plays for three more years. Yeah, let's just put that
as an absolute in the universe. Right. Do you think
if he plays three more years that he ends up

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with the Patriots? Three more years? Yes, we have this.
I think two he is with the Patriots. Three. We
had this big discussion yesterday because so many of the
college quarterbacks are coming into the NFL and working fast.
Like I watched Trebitsky. I'm like, that's not an NFL quarterback.
He got to the playoffs. Right. There's not a lot
of teams right now that are bailing with the Chargers,

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bail on Philip Rivers. No for Tom Brady. I mean,
I mean with the Raiders, bail on Derek Carr. I
don't think right now they would. I mean, well, and
I think it's less about other teams and more about
the Patriots. Like you think that the Patriots would keep
saying three years, he's taken a huge step down, Like
I think he's going to be great again this year.

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Who knows what next year? He is. There's a lot
of variables in that situation. But three years from now,
well you already said that's an absolute, so I can't argue.
I'm saying, like, if he wants he like he is
saying he's going to play at forty five years old. Yes,
so I think he is because I don't think Crafts
letting him go. And I don't think and my staff
totally disagreed. I don't think there's this bevy of teams

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lining up. But if Tom went to the open market,
they fail on their young guy. Now, but Cleveland for
a year, oh they got a guy. And if Bruce
arians and Jamis work, oh he'll get an extension. Jets
now a dysfunctional Oh they have their guy. Like Miami.
You and I talked about this. Miami's about the only team.
You're like, oh, yeah, they'd make it the over Brady.
But if Sam Erships goes, who's there, Oh they've got

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a guy. Almost everybody's got a guy. Yeah, there's not
a lot of desperate teams over there. I think he
I think he finishes with the Patriots. I hope. So
joy with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by. Heart. Doug Gottlieb joins us he'll be
doing a show from Cowboy Camp today. That will be awesome.
That's a great get by you. You gotta go up

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to thousand Oaks where it's one hundred forty two degrees.
Oxnard will pass as it's act much cooler an ox Stard. Yeah. Wow.
So we'll have hit um Rams Camp, Chargers Camp and
now Cowboys Camp. That's great. Yeah, it's great access and
all the teams. You know, it's what you get off
era as much as what you get on air. Question
to total field, I'll just share this with you from

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Rams Camp. Yeah. Um, Jared Gulf looks like a different dude.
Like looks like we've been there three consecutive years. First
year's first year with McVitie and just you know you
watch him and now he carries himself, how he leads.
He was still very much learning. Yeah. Um, last year
he looked better, you know, he looked he looked like
a starting quarterback. Like this year it looks like he's

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a dude right, Like it's it's his offense, complete control, smiling,
but when it's time to lock in, very very confident,
like I've seen that from Philip Rivers all three years
where it's without any questions due his offense, and now
Jared Goff has that same level of confidence, maybe even
arrogance that he's grown into the role. I kind of

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feel like we talked so much about Gurley and the
other things. I feel like golf, he had a couple
of big boy drives against the Saints that that they
feel like proved he is their guy for the long
term future. And watching him at camp, he carried himself differently.
So Doug gott Leaves at the Cowboy camp today, we
were just talking about Brady just for fun. I mean,
I listen, he'll play two or three years and in
New England. I don't. I don't this hole like he

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knows what he's going to do. We played tennis on Sunday.
By the way, Calhard beat me at tennis seven five.
By the way, just because I had fewer unforced airs.
I didn't really win it. I lost less than became
like King bore you, no, no, you go, no, you
go anyway. The point is this, I can't tell you
how many times we've gotten together and you always have

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a different You know, I could do one more contract.
You know, maybe I could do two or three more.
Like everybody thinks they know how they're going to feel
two or three years from now, But the truth is,
like Tom Brady saying, right now, I want to play
Tom forty five. Yeah, he's coming off playing in two
straight Super Bowls, right, he's coming off feeling really he
feels really really good. Like talk to me in February

(29:12):
if the season ended poorly, you know, Like I think
he would have been motivated if they had they lost
to hit the Kan City Chiefs, but we would have
looked at him completely differently had there not been the
offsides penalty. He throws a third interception, they lose on
the road. His numbers decreased as the season went on.
I don't know if we'd have the same So the
idea that three years from now, like let's just get
through this year. And I think that's what all parties

(29:34):
are saying. Hey, I'm selling my house, not now, but
we'll see. It's a one year contract, not now, we'll see.
I think we have to be reasonable. We are in
uncharted territory with Tom Brady at forty two years old,
leading the defending Super Bowl champions. We don't know when
he's gonna fall off. We just know eventually it does happen.
Troy Aikman said this on Twitter the other day. Troy said,
I think he can make forty five because he takes

(29:55):
care of his body. But you know, Troy said something
that's true. Troy said, but when it ends at forty four,
it ends fast. I mean, Kurt Warner was great, took
a hit and it's like, I'm out. Brett Farve was unbelievable, unbelievable,
came back that at that extra year and literally the dome,
the Metrodome collapsed, like you know, I mean, look Peyton Manning, Like,

(30:17):
let's not misremember Peyton Mannings last season when they won
the Super Bowl nine touchdowns seventeen. He was a liability
benched for brock Osweiler, bench for Brock Osweller, and no
one was and they said he was hurt whatever, he
just he was bad. Yeah, fall off a cliff, you
do very quickly, all right, Gottlieb will come back with
dog got a bunch of stuff, you know, you know
what we'll talk about. We got the Dack thing. Darnold.

(30:38):
I think it's the best young quarterback after Patrick Mahomes
at the last eleven taken all that coming up, It's
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be at Dallas Cowboy Camp in Oxnard today, which is
you know, I think I could be wrong too. We

(30:58):
don't you live up there. I think they have the
best strawberries in America, the best strawberries in American. Where
that strawberry farm is. Yes, there's a legend. Want to
go to that. It's supposed to be. It's a It's
where all the restaurants in La, the good ones buy
their strawberries in Oxnard, California. Their favorite fruit pineapple, mango strawberries.
This is nap if you actually would come in on

(31:20):
a Friday, who doesn't come in? On reactions to pineapple,
it's so hard to eat. It taste like it's cardboard.
It's so hard to eat. What pineapple are you're talking about?
It's like eat you know you have to, but you don't.
You don't eat it from the atern just dissolves in
your mouth. It's so well friends, so good for you. Waterloating,
it's good for your stomach, it's delicious. Well, who cares

(31:41):
if it's good for you. I mean it's better for
you than other things you mentioned best fruits, like, you
didn't mention watermelon. That's amazing. A raspberry watermelon is not
very high on my fruitless Wow that put it in
flavored things is kind of better than regular watermelon. By
the way, put watermelon blender, vodka, club soda, little watermelon. Yeah, watermelon,
watermelon and lemon actually is very good for hangover any who.

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All right, So we were talking earlier today that I'm
not a day trader. I don't check my four oh
one k. I don't time the stock market. I buy
stuff stocks for the long term. Same with quarterbacks. Tim
Tebow won seven straight games, Mark Sanchez was hot for
an hour in the end. I buy stuff I want
to stick with. Here's the eleven quarterbacks last three years,

(32:21):
And I said, Mahomes is my Hall of Famer, Darnold's two.
Then if I was forced to take a third, I'd
probably go coin Flip Baker DeShawn I take de Shaun
because I do think eventually he'll get an offensive line,
which is not a liability. And Cleveland scares me as
an organization. But I would go Mahomes won, Darnold two

(32:43):
and probably DeShawn third. If who would your three be,
that would probably be them. It's interesting, like Deshaun Watson
had some bumps coming off in ACL Does anybody know
they won eleven games last right? They were eleven games
And like I get Jacksonville was crummy, but Tennessee was
was okay, nine and seven, No, not bad, and the

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Colts were really pretty good and have a great quarterback
and they won the division. Yes, it's and they're the
fourth largest market in the country and we never talk
about them now. Maybe it's because they're operating without a GM.
You know, there's there's other parts to the tip team,
and they've let us down over the years. They can't
ever step up. And when like Cincinnati when they had
Carson Palmer, you're like, it didn't really trust them to
beat win a big game. I'm I would hedge and

(33:29):
I would say, boy, I put Baker right there in
that discussion at three, just because you like Donald more
than Baker. No, I liked Donald absolutely second, Like Donald
just is getting overshadowed because Baker yells the loudest, and
he's on a better football team. Donald's a better player,
he's a better prospect coming out, and he has done
nothing to lead us to believe otherwise. And I think
the Jets have done a really nice job, you know.

(33:50):
I mean last year they had mcdown around him, who's
the perfect older quarterback to help lead him? And now
you get him Ryan Khalil, so he has the perfect older,
smart center to help lead him. Like I think Donald's
going to breathe the breakthrough guy. I think that's the
big challenge for the Patriots is you know, yeah, you
have all probably second year quarterbacks in that division, assuming

(34:10):
Rosen eventually wins the job, and Josh Allen and now
and eventually one or two of those guys are going
to hit, and that'll be the biggest challenge to the
Patriots in that division. I would take Donald second. I
would probably think about Baker. Third, Deshaun Watson. I love
his leadership. I'll go I'm with you on DeShawn, but
Baker's are real. And then Kyler Murray fifth. Am I

(34:32):
crazy to buy this Kyler thing, even though I am
petrified of how little he is and how prone to
run he is, because there's no such thing as an
old running quarterback, and there isn't really any such thing
as a five ten quarterback. But if there's a guy,
it could be him because he's so accurate, he's got
such a good arm, and he is literally in the
perfect system. You don't need a good offensive line for

(34:55):
that system, and they have a terrible offensive line. Yeah,
I don't have a five either. I have a one absolute,
a two absolute. We can argue over three four. You know,
Josh Allen and Buffalo. I've got a couple scouts who
tell me they're like, listen, there's moments last year he
was remember the Minnesota game. You're like, oh my god,
he looks like Big Ben. But again, you don't know.
They had a bad old line, they had no receivers.

(35:17):
I think I need one more year with Josh Allen.
I think they can win with him, but I think
it's a specific way in which you just can. You're
gonna have to live with the fact that he's gonna
have to throw downfield and he's gonna be inaccurate, or
he's gonna have to run the football because he's a
he's a ridiculous big athlete and then play to your defense.
I think you can do that in Buffalo, but I
don't think he's empirically a good quarterback right. Sam Donald's

(35:39):
a good quarterback on any team the league. Pat Mahomes
a good quarterback on any team the league. Mitch Dubisky,
Josh Allen, some of these guys can be good quarterbacks
in the perfect system in the with the right pick.
Doug Gottlieb is joining us. You know, we were you know.
One of the things about you know, the Dak Wentz thing.
People say, well, Dak's won more than Wentz. Winning is

(36:00):
a very funny thing. Mike did could draft at Danny
Werfel because he was a winner. Tim Tebow one seven straight,
Mark Sanchez, you have to be careful about winning. If
it's Young's first year with the Titans, they won a
bunch of games. If it was just winning, you would
draft Alabama or Ohio States quarterbacks because they just win more.
There is something about talent evaluation with the quarterback where
and this is by the way, this is Glenn Close

(36:23):
doesn't have an oscar Kobe Bryant does. That's winning in Hollywood.
Winning an award, Glenn Close is a superstar. Kobe Bryant
won an oscar because he had the right group of
people on a project. Right. So when I look at
Dac and Wentz, if you took thirty two GMS and
you said pick one, they would all take Wentz. Wentz

(36:43):
was a number one pick. Now, there are injury concerns,
and that's a real component here. But when you the
Dak is winning thing, I think we're getting to a
point now where it we're overstating the winning thing. He's
Andrew luck one first three years with nothing, Doug nothing,
That's got a lot of help here, right, no question.

(37:03):
I mean, if you want to look at the numbers,
you can look at the paucity of three hundred yard
plus passing games, right, and look at what they did
when they didn't have Zeke and how much the offense
change when they got Amari Cooper. Look, I think the
whole thing works together as an ensemble cast quite well, right.
I mean, let's Tyrann Smith when when he's been injured.
Remember they had issues in their offensive line last year

(37:26):
as well. So when the lion is right, when Zeke
is right, when a Mari's right, he's good, he's fine,
He's not a league quarterback. Again, this is kind of this.
Do I think he's better than Trabisky? Sure? Do I
think he's that much better that he's thirty five million
a year? I don't, And I don't think anyone truly
believes it. Right, Like, I feel like they're going to
overpay him because he was so underpaid to be the

(37:48):
starting quarterback of the Cowboys, and I think that's just
a terrible philosophy to have. I don't. I don't understand
that he's he's in the middle of the pack. You
can absolutely win a bunch of games with him. But
is he Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees? Is he
Carson Wentz? No, Carson Wentz was the MVP of the league,
then he got hurt and they won a Super Bowl

(38:10):
without him. I don't think that Dak Prescott has ever been,
or should he be, in the discussion of MVP of
the league, and I think paying him otherwise it doesn't
morally offend me. It's just it's gonna it's gonna hinder
their ability to be what they've been, which is a
really good ensemble cast. Yeah, I mean the NFL is
a hard cap in the NBA. We did this a
couple of weeks ago. Join and I were actually laughing.

(38:30):
The NBA's got so many loopholes, Larry Bird rights that
you can it's a real soft cap. In the NFL.
It's it's pretty punitive, like if you like. I was
talking about the Rams. The Rams, I think over I
think they paid Girly a year early. I didn't like it.
I think they overpaid massively for Brandon Cooks. When they
have two excellent receivers, they're gonna pay for that. When
they pay Golf, they're gonna have to figure out a

(38:51):
way they're gonna to get rid of somebody. And I
think in their division in the NFC that that is rough.
I look at I wonder now has the DAK thing.
Are we peaking now? Because all these young quarterbacks, Golf's
getting better, Trubisky will get better. Garoppolo is now in.
I wonder, Doug, if this Dak so far, this is
the peak of it, This is all the young athletic

(39:14):
it look it's possible. I also think that you have
to factor in something you've talked about alot on this show,
which is accurate Jerry Jones is not getting any younger,
and he sees Miami as a legit possibility, maybe even likelihood.
You know, I got my tight end out of the
TV booth. I'll throw him out there for one more year.
I got tomorrow, I got Zeke in his prime, I
got the offensive line prime, I have. I have a

(39:35):
defense that is that is good enough. I have a
division where the skins are down, the giants are down, right, Like,
that's four wins a year that normally are absolute dog fights.
And now maybe I split with the Eagles five wins
in my division? What am I ever going to get that?
So I agree, like again, I am I would never
I would never consider him an elite level quarterback. But

(39:56):
I do think that Jerry, in his own mind things
if we're ever gonna do it, the time is now,
and we can figure out a way to make the
money work. But we just have to get all of
these kind of ducks in a row. The crazy part
about it is, for example, with Dak Prescott, they're really
not under any pressure to give him a contract. If
they don't, they can franchise him next year. He'll make

(40:16):
twenty five million guaranteed. And if they don't. After that,
they'll franchise him again and it ends up being fifty
so they can they can drive a hard bargain. I
just don't think they want to because I think that
that would take them away from their focus being Miami.
And I think Jerry is it's like Marissa Tomay and
my cousin Vinney writer, biological clock is ticking, right, it's
Jerry Jones, like my football clock is ticking here, let's

(40:37):
get into a super Bowl. Yeah, no, I mean it is.
It is weird with the NFL. I'm not a huge
fan of the franchise tag for players. I think it's
if I was an owner, I'd love the franchise tag.
But you really do own Dak's rights. You're in a
great spot. If you're the cowboy, you have to pay
him anything. And by the way, if your franchise tag
him after this year and he makes twenty five, you're
probably paying him seven million LASS a year, which is

(40:58):
the second corner and an out that there pass Rusher.
I mean, if you're just talking about business, well, look,
there's ways in which you can move it around. I
do think it's important and we're gonna dig in. We
go to Cowboys camp here when I when I leave here,
they do have a new play caller. Like, if everyone
thinks that their offense was perfect, why do they change
play callers if everyone's so in him? And other people

(41:18):
have taken the blame for the fact that how good
is Dak? Right, they got rid of Dez because well,
Dez isn't good enough? Was he? Maybe not? You know,
that's why he's not in the league anymore. Also he
got hurt. But also it's because Dak couldn't bring out
the best in him. Now, they were much better offensively
when they got a Marie Cooper, but there were times
in which Dak wasn't good enough, even with the supporting cast.
So if I'm the Cowboys, I say all the right things,

(41:42):
I'm okay going to the season. What the contract does
is and show me how you play with this new
offensive coordinator, these play callers, and all of these position players.
Assuming you get Zeke back in time, all right, Doug
Gottliebis now headed to Oxnard the world's greatest strawberries and
also the world's greatest radio show live in Oxnard today.
And then he goes back and he's got a second
best show to us. But that's okay. He's a good

(42:03):
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(42:25):
and FS one. Joy Taylor is joining me. I'm taking
a great deal of flack for calling cantlope of the
world's best fruit. I love to turn on Meet the Press,
put my suspenders on. Eat cantalope all day. It feels great.
It's not needy. I've gotten rid of friends that are needy.
I don't like needy fruit. Oranges are needy. You can't

(42:45):
open them, you can't peel them. They leave stuff all
over your pineapples are too harsh. I've got pick stuff
out of my teeth. Cantalope is just dissolves into your mouth.
It's like when I'm married, Anne, I can't have somebody,
I can't be your social director and disappears for four
days at a time. I have no idea where she is.
I mean she could, she could be running another company,
be in another marriage. I have no idea, but it's

(43:06):
perfect because I I don't. I can't be your social director.
I can't have needy friends. I can't have needy fruit.
Candle Ope is not needy. It's just it just you
pop it in and it dissolved. Candle Ope is literally
like a rock, like it's you have to cut it
in the same way that you cut a pineapple. I
buy it. I buy it already, okay, but you're like

(43:27):
you who buys a whole pineapple. You don't buy the
cubed pineapple. No, it's hard on your mouth. What do
you mean it's hard? It's citrusy. You can break out
and get swollen it, which makes no sense. Like if
you if you have three fruits that you have to
survive on. Yeah, it orange is the least needy of all.
You can just peel it apart with your hand. Apples,
grab bite, eat some pesticides. You'll die early. But buy

(43:49):
and large with an apple, grab bite eat over like
I like stuff that just boom out, same with my pet.
So literally, going to the store and next to the
candle ope is a container of pineapple. Nope, you choose
to eat the cantelope over the pine Oh god, not
even close. Every time. Look at me, I'm a picture
of health. Antelope and honeydew are just filler fruits in
fruit cups where better fruit should go. Yeah, we see

(44:12):
the world differently. Give me my suspenders. You're gonna lose
this debate. So good to have you and everybody. You know,
it's funny. I was thinking about the Raiders, HBO, Hard Knocks.
We're all kind of wondering will they cover the Antonio
Brown situation, which is all sorts of crazytown? Right, But
remember that show called Wife Swap. I watched it a

(44:32):
couple of times. Yeah, it was crazy. So they would
take like boring wife and put her in unstable crazytown family,
or they take crazytown wife and put her in boring family,
and that was the show. It was funny. It was
this disconnect. Antonio Brown is not going to blow up
the Raiders. He fits the Raiders for twenty years. Get

(44:56):
over this commitment to excellence. They don't even feel like
the rest of the NFL. The NFL's very corporate, it's
very IBM. They don't feel like the rest of the league.
Their uniforms look like practice uniforms. They tarp off the
upper deck. They make the least amount of money on
game days. They have the poorest owner. They hired their
GM and their coach from television. They really have no

(45:18):
direction as a franchise. They've had nine coaches in sixteen years.
Cleveland's been bad, Cleveland's been chaotic, but they feel like
part of the NFL. The Raiders don't. The Raiders feel
a little bit like Donald Sterling's Clippers, the Bengals for
about fifteen years, the Oakland A's with Charlie Finley, where

(45:40):
the A's used to put their games on a college
radio station in air. It just the Raiders year to year,
don't know where they're playing. The Raiders lobbied to get
on hard knocks. Everybody else lobbies to get not on
hard knocks. So I don't think Antonio Brown he's a mystery.

(46:00):
He's an enigma. That's the Raiders now. I do think
he was wildly troublesome for the Pittsburgh Steelers. But the
Pittsburgh Steelers are the model. They're not just stable, they're
the model of stability in the NFL. Three coaches in
like sixty years Rooney Kevin Colbert. They don't fire coaches.

(46:21):
They're that they have arguably the best fans. They have
the second biggest brand in the league after the Cowboys.
So Antonio Brown was disruptive, was very disruptive for Pittsburgh.
I don't think he is for the Raiders. I just
don't think the Raiders are particularly good. I don't think
they're buttoned down. I think they're fun. I don't think

(46:44):
they're a playoff team. And frankly, two of the best
five six teams in the NFL, Chargers Chiefs are in
their own division, so you know, it's not the greatest
division to be in if you've got some dysfunction. But
I mean, I tend to think that chaos amongst chaos
is not as disruptive, you know, like they you ever

(47:08):
go you ever go to Vegas with some buddies, And
when you go to Vegas you're in your twenties and thirties,
maybe you're older. That all it takes if you got
like four grown ups and one idiot, It just takes
the idiot guy to ruin the trip. Somebody has to
babysit the idiot. So choose when you travel to Vegas,

(47:30):
as guys choose wisely because if you have four stable guys,
it just takes one goofball to blow the trip up.
But if you went with four guys and they're all
train wrecks, they're all marginally employed, they're all been in trouble,
they all have a history of goofiness, and then throwing
in another goofy guy doesn't matter. The whole weekends a mess.

(47:52):
It's like Hangover three. So I look at ab to
the Raiders. He's not disruptive, he's on brand. This is
who they are. An enigma. All right, let me shift
the Lebron James. This story is interesting. So I'm a
big believer in self awareness. If you're a pro athlete,

(48:12):
understand the temperature of the room. I do think it's
harder for NBA players because let's be honest about this,
let's talk about baseball players. Baseball players live a life
of failure. Derek Jeter bats three hundred, meaning seventy percent
of the time he walks back to the dugout he failed.

(48:34):
So baseball's constantly about how do you handle failure. It's
a minor leagues, college, high school, but Hall of famers
are on three out of seven times. You learn you're
beaten down constantly by baseball, and so you learn to
handle failure. In the NFL, you get hit, you get caught.

(48:56):
Football practice is hard. You play in terror weather, so
you're constantly in baseball you're being humbled, and in football
you're constantly you're constantly being humbled. Basketball is different. You
can spot talent early. You watch those videos of Zion
at fifteen, you're like, Okay, that's an NBA player. Half

(49:20):
the NFL's undrafted. I mean, baseball's got forty rounds defined players.
In the NBA, by the eighth pick, you kind of
run out of dependable players. There's about eight people a
year coming too the league on average, last thirty years,
two all stars a draft, that's it. Fourth player this year.
It's a project. And now they come into the league young.

(49:43):
But in basketball, the culture is more about worshiping. It's
more about gassing up the player. He's a star, he
joins an AAU team, he gets swagged, he's got a
shoe deal. Zion's played nine minutes of summer league. He's
got one hundred million dollar shoe deal. So it's harder
for a professional basketball player in America. And all these

(50:04):
pro athletes are like twenty four years old, right, They
enter the sports at twenty one. NBA they enter at nineteen.
So it's harder to ask professional basketball players to have
self awareness and don't fall in love with yourself. It's harder.
Basketball culture is a worship shoe, idolization money earlier league.

(50:28):
But once you've been in the league ten years, I'm
gonna hold you accountable. Now you're a man. Now you're
thirty years old. Now I'm gonna ask for Carmelo Anthony
a little more self awareness. And I'm especially going to
ask for a little more self awareness from Lebron James
because I think he's smart. I think he's got smart handlers.
I think he's been around the block. And I didn't

(50:50):
love this. Lebron James put himself in a picture with
Magic Shaq, Kobe, and Kareem honored and grateful to be
a part of greatness starting five versus any franchise all time.
I don't love this. Lebron's not a Laker great. Lebron's great.

(51:10):
He's an all time great. Randy Johnson's an all time
great pitcher, one of the most intimidating I've ever seen.
He joined the Yankees. He is not a Yankee great.
Randy Johnson is an all time great. He didn't win
enough in New York to be an all time Yankee great.
Nobody puts him of the top twenty Yankees of all time.
There's just too many good ones. The Lakers have had
too many good players. Jerry West doesn't make that. Wilt

(51:34):
make that el Jin Baylor, who I didn't see play,
He didn't make it. Lebron, I like you, I really
do this whole LA thing. It's kind of a LA
does this. It kind of changes people a little. You're
not a Laker great, You're an all time great. Some
say the greatest ever. Now. Kareem abdul Jabbart came out

(51:57):
and said he doesn't have anything to prove to anyone. Oh,
yes he does, Yes he does. He has to prove
to the city of Los Angeles. This is not a
money grab and not an opportunity for him to have
more shows and movies and businesses. Listen, I am not
going to hold twenty four year old NBA players to

(52:17):
have great self awareness. The sport doesn't humble you. Baseball
does football does you just get humbled. Tom Brady got
humbled last week. Basketball it's a different sport. We paid
these kids one hundred million dollars after nine minutes of
summer league. That's not even the league. That's just a
shoe company. Of course, they liked themselves. But Lebron, you're

(52:43):
better than this. You have more self awareness than this.
You're not an all time like a great. You're an
all time great. You're Randy Johnson to the Yankees. You
could be, but you got something to prove that. Los
Angeles isn't just a place for you'd open pizza chains,
have movies, more TV shows and Hollywood relationships. Go to

(53:07):
a Laker game. Of the people there don't live in Hollywood,
don't work in Hollywood. They're sports fans, even in glitzy
Los Angeles. They care about winning games. They're not famous,
they don't know any famous people. They're salespeople. Their executives

(53:29):
go to the upper deck Middle America. It really is,
even in Los Angeles, gotta win games. I didn't love
that picture, all right, good stuff. Eric Mangini, who often
doubts many of my greatest theories, we'll be joining us.

(53:50):
It's very and by the way, don't be surprised if
he likes cantalope. Most right thinking Americans come around a
cantalope over time, mostly after fifty Your teeth hurt is soft.
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on Fox and the Fox Sports App. Seahawks lost Frank

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Clark Chief Scott Frank Clark. That's a big loss to
make in that division. Now, Garoppolo Kyle Shanahan, Seattle's in
a weird spot that that feels like an eight and
eight team to me. Eric Mangini is joining US, former
head coach of the Jets and Browns, Patriot defensive coordinator
forty nine Ers defensive coordinator. So you know, you know
we were talking about Jeff Fisher came on the show

(55:57):
yesterday and he said, listen, man, when I started the job,
it was eighty percent me doing schematics and twenty percent babysitting.
By the end of my career. About halfway through it
was eighty percent taking care of the players. I could
hand the schematics off. I think Cleveland's talented, I think
they're unrealistic. Freddie Kitchens is the coach. He's never been

(56:17):
a coordinator for a full season. So when I say
I think we're getting a little gassed up on this
Cleveland thing, do I sound like a hater? No? No,
you sound like someone who actually has a realistic view
of how things are. So not only is he going
to be a first time head coach, he's going to
be a first time coordinator for a full season. And

(56:39):
I think they may have named a coordinator, but he's
going to be running that. And there's so many things
that come up during the course of the day that
you didn't anticipate. In Jeff and I were talking about
this yesterday in the avocado room. How you set your
schedule and then there's at least five things a day
that come up that weren't in your schedule that take
precedence over whatever you had. And as a first time guy,

(57:00):
you've never dealt with any of those issues, and you
just don't know what you don't know, and things take
longer than they should because it's your first time going
through it, and the worst thing that you can have
is a pile of expectations put on you as well,
because people are gonna play the Browns differently in the
early part of the season than they would have if

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they didn't have these expectations. You think that's true, Oh, oh,
without a doubt. Because the Browns are the you know,
the the favorite or a favorite to go to the
super Bowl, to go to the playoffs. Teams aren't gonna
gonna give them a pass like they may have historically.
They're gonna come at them full throttle from the beginning.
And it's different. It's different than when you have no

(57:43):
expectations going in the season. You can kind of figure
your way through some things. Yeah, somebodyn't have that luxury. Yeah,
somebody told me years ago. Muhammad Ali got everybody's best fight,
Kobe Bryant got everybody's best effort. Nobody sat on the schedule.
I played Kobe tomorrow. I'm gonna go out in party,
right like Peyton Manning. You know this. Peyton Manning kept
defensive coordinators up for two weeks. So Cleveland. Now you

(58:05):
look at the schedule, you're like, oh, it's the noisiest
team in the league, so you you do get do
you feel like when you play a good team or
one with high expectations, your players are more focused for
the week without a doubt. Not only is it the
noisiest team, but they go out and they have one
drive in the preseason. That's a pretty good drive. Now
that they spring no huddle on the Washington Redskins on

(58:27):
the first drive of the preseason. They go down and
score and you're taking pictures in the end zone like
you're noisy on the first drive of preseason, and every
other team the league is gonna look at that and
go like, oh, okay, this is what we're gonna get.
So every time your score, you're gonna act like this.
This is this is how you're going to be. No
One wants to be embarrassed. And when you go out

(58:48):
and you kind of embarrass someone the first drive of preseason,
it's like, all right, lock and load, let's go. Yeah.
I mean they really did. They kind of taunted the Redskins.
They scored in the end zones to took pictures and
I think, you know, it's so easy to see from
outside that you shouldn't do this, But I think Cleveland's
just happy they're relevant. Well, and I live in Cleveland,

(59:11):
so I see all the things and hear all the things.
We're going to let guys be who they are, and
this is about expressing yourself. That's great. That's that's great
as long as as you're winning and there's there's order,
and there's things are following the path that you hope
they follow. But when things don't go the way that
you hope, how do you reel all that stuff back in?

(59:34):
And it's hard once once it starts, it's hard to
reel all that those things back in. Eric Mangini is
joining us. We were talking about. I had said earlier
the Raiders brand for fifteen years has been chaotic. So
I don't think um Antonio Brown will be a cause
of the Raiders issues. He is a symptom of them.

(59:57):
And whereas Pittsburgh's been known for stability, and I think
he really was jarring to the organization. They just they
just it threw them for a loop. When I look
at the Raiders, I mean if for the last fifteen
years they've been they've just been different. They've been an enigma.
They tarp off the upper deck, they run through coaches,

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they hire people from television. Um, I kind of think
he is the Raiders and I don't. I don't think
if they struggle, he's the problem. Or am I wrong
that even in organizations that have a history of chaos,
chaos is not a better fit. Well, first of all,
the Steelers they have had incredible stability, but they've always

(01:00:40):
had members of the family that were challenging. They've always
had members of the family that were were different than
and hard to deal with, and that's gone on for
years and years. And Antonio, I don't think it's that
different than some of the guys that they've had in
the past. To me, Oakland's trade for for Antonio for
was three and a fifth that they swap fist it was.

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It was a pretty amazing trade. I mean, especially when
you compare it to getting Odell Beckham for a one
in what they had to give up. You get the
best receiver or arguably one of the top three or
four receivers in the NFL for a third round draft pick.
That's a pretty amazing opportunity to have. Now you're going
to have to live with the other stuff, and you

(01:01:22):
when you go into that business, you deal with six
days to get to the seventh day. You know that
you're going to have to deal with some pain and
some discomfort and some disruption in order to get the
upside on Sunday. And John's had players like that in
the past. He's comfortable working in that world. And so
now you get an elite talent like that for a

(01:01:43):
very little trade value actually makes a lot of sense
for them. So well, look, I think John knows who
John is. I think John has had success with players
that have been difficult in the past. It's not something
that that concerns him. He had an opportune to go
get an elite special player for nothing. It was it

(01:02:04):
was essentially a fire sale. Ntes Berfect is a guy
that can be difficult. He was more than happy to
get him. Yeah, and he mixed it in with draft
picks that I've all that are all considered to have
really high character, and so it's a it's an interesting
dynamic that they're building there. But I don't think it's
outside of the Raiders brand, and I don't think it's
necessarily outside of John's brand. Put that chart up, guys,

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Greg John eleven quarterbacks have been picked first round in
the last three years, and a lot of good ones.
I said, if I had to, I'm not a day trader.
I don't time the market. I don't look at my
four oh one k long term investment. I draft a
quarterback and think twelve years. I'm looking for trades, maturity, size, durability, coachability.

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If I had to take of all the eleven quarterbacks
in the last three years, I'd say Mahomes one, Darnold two.
Then we can argue about the rest. I like to
Sean Watson three. If I said to you, give me
your three out of Kyler, Daniel, Dwayne Baker, Sam Josh,
Josh Lamar, Mitch Patrick, Deshaun give me your three in
order the twelve years investment. This is a pretty hard list, right.

(01:03:12):
We've seen Kyler Murray for what ten plays, Daniel Jones
for just saying like, okay, I like Deshaun Watson. I
know that you love Sam Darnold. You don't like Darnold,
Well he yeah, I mean he's okay, he's His interception
to touchsound ratio is pretty much even rights similar to

(01:03:33):
what it was in college. Low sixty percent completion percentage,
losing record. I mean, there's a lot of things that
I can see based off of last year, you're thinking, Okay,
he's the guy for the next twelve years and he's
gonna unseat. So I'm Darnald your mahomes whom I like? Watson?
I think Deshaun Watson is in the third year of
his system. He's at over one hundred quarterback rate in

(01:03:54):
the last two years. He said forty five touchsounds and
seventeen picks. He's able to make dynamic plays. Now. The
the amount that he gets sacked is a problem, and
some of that is a function of the offensive line,
and some of that is a function of him holding
out of the ball. But his ability to make plays
and being in the third year of the system after

(01:04:16):
being as productive as he's been the first two years,
to me, that's exciting. Who's your third I you know
that list, I don't take your pick throw him. Who
that is? That is that proven? You like? You're in Cleveland?
What about Baker? If based off of the numbers and
the success that he's had, I would probably take Baker

(01:04:37):
over Darnold at this point. It's unfortunate totally, but some
of these other guys. I mean, we're talking about a
pretty small sample size. I'm listen. I'm not saying this
is perfect. It was a rant and I just offered
you an opportunity to have an opinion in the rant.
That was fine with me. Okay, one more question. Okay,
we all kind of know. Um, you know I said

(01:04:59):
this earlier that you've got to be careful about well,
this quarterback wins. Mark Sanchez won a lot. Tebow won
a lot. Glenn Close is maybe the best actor of
my life. She never won an Oscar. Kobe Bryant has one.
Be careful about winning. Okay, Like award shows give people wins.
In the industry, people know who the truly great artist are.
Martin Scorsese has one Oscar. He's one of the smartest,

(01:05:23):
most devoted film people in my life. The whole Dak
wins thing. If I'm a GM today and you tell
me Whence or Dak, even with the injury issues, I
overwhelmingly take wins. He's just a better talent. He's bigger,
better arm, more of a whip plays. I think with
less cautious what do you do with Dak when you

(01:05:44):
know you have been in these rooms where it's like,
this is a hard cap league, NFC is loaded inches count.
Where do you fall on Dak's contract? Well, to me,
I don't know if it's completely fair to disregard wins
because when you look at a guy like Carson Wentz,
two out of three seasons where he's been a starter,

(01:06:05):
they have a losing record. Okay, when you look at
Dak Prescott in every category, he's better than Carson Wentz
or almost so, whether it's head to head, whether it's
divisional wins, whether it's playoff appearances, whether it's completion percentage,
so all those things, you look at it and you say, Okay,
Dak Prescott is better. And then you look at durability.

(01:06:29):
Dak doesn't miss games and Carson could be the best
quarterback ever. If he's not available to play, it really
doesn't matter. Looking at the contract situation, Do I think
that he is a top five quarterback right now? No?
I don't think that he is. But the market is
what the market is, and if you want to redo
his deal at this point, it's going to have to

(01:06:50):
come in at least at where Carson Wentz was, and
I think that's a very fair comparable. If I was
the organization. I think it'd be great to be able
to let it ride this season, knowing that you have
the franchise hag the next season. Francise number of this
year is twenty five million, his two or three million
this year twenty You know, let's say it goes up

(01:07:10):
a couple million. You get him for two years for
thirty two millions. There's a sense that you have to
sign it because Zeke is demanding he gets signed. Dallas
doesn't have to do anything. No, that you don't have
to do anything. And is Dac not gonna play if
he doesn't get signed this year, and you can he
can bet on himself and that that's worked out for
a couple of people. Kirk Cousins, it worked out Joe Flacco.

(01:07:33):
It worked out great for and with Joe Flacco. It
worked out great for the Ravens too for that year,
the year that he was the hungriest, they won the
Super Bowl. Guys playing for a contract are really really motivated,
special types of players, and so to be able to
have a guy continually chasing that, there's real upside there.

(01:07:55):
Good seeing you, good seeing you, how long you're in
town for um here through Friday. Maybe I'll see you again, Well,
hopefully you will. Maybe nice if you can occasionally commit
to the show. A very busy guy, Eric Mangini, thank you,
coach Joy with the news. Turn on the news. This
is the herd Line News. The training camp is always

(01:08:15):
good for a really fun, feel good story. Yeah, I
love this story out of Cleveland, so damon Sheehyjuseppi joined
the Browns after earning a workout in a very unconventional way.
He spent his last two hundred dollars on training services
with NFL trainer Pete Bamrino in Miami Bamrito and he
spent two nights sleeping outside of the facility preparing for

(01:08:36):
his workout because he didn't have any money for a hotel.
His mother and aunts were like postmating him food in Miami.
He showed up to the Browns workout and convinced the
doorman that he was friends with Alonzo high Smith and
he was there for a workout, which was a lie.
Then once she just set he got in front of
high Smith, he convinced him to let him run a forty,
which he ran a four point three eight forty and

(01:08:58):
that impressed him enough to earn him a spot in
camp and a shot at preseason and he's a perfect
long shot story. And they celebrated accordingly when he returned
to touchdown. Yes he's got it at the fourteen Jungle
and we said the twenty twenty five, here he goes
thirty twenty. He said, he I am entire just like that.

(01:09:45):
It's pretty amazing. It's really great. It's really great this
training camp. This is a great Hard Knox is really
great at its featuring stories like this. Obviously this is
not a Hard Knox. This is a Browns production, but
it's it's really a great story, and it's it's kind
of like betting on yourself. We were just talking about
it with Dak and Flacco. Sometimes you just got to
invest all you got in yourself and know that you
got it. By the way, is this this the first
sign of a magical year for Cleveland? I mean maybe, Look,

(01:10:09):
I don't this This type of stuff is what reminds
you of why sports is special and like what it
really means to people to get to that level, how
hard it is to make a team, how hard it
is to even get in the door. And another little
special add on to the story is that he actually
lost his cleats that he brought with them to run in.
So Odell actually let him borrow his cleats. Um, and

(01:10:30):
he's basically said he broke them in for him. He
had worn them already, so Beckham let him borrow his cleats.
That's a great it's a really great story. It really is.
Now like the obviously it's early in training camp. We're
still going to see if he makes a team. But
but it's a nice little, nice little story out of Cleveland. There.
So Jamal Adams spoke to the media yesterday and made
an interesting reveal. The Jets have a feelings report in

(01:10:54):
their defense room. It's a lot of accountability many on them.
You know, we always joke about it, but it's we
have a feelings report and basically, if you if you
get upset about something that someone calls you out on
or whatever it is, you're giving your feelings. That's it's
a sensitive fun So obviously you know, we don't we don't.
We don't tolerate that. As a defense We communicate, we

(01:11:17):
hold each other accountable and um, as long as we're
on the same page, we'll be fine. Man. And like
I said, we'll give us l We'll give ourselves a chance.
He is such a great player. God, he's good. Yes,
I don't know. I don't know how I feel about
this exactly now. Greg Williams is the defensive coordinator and
he was asked if he had been listed, and Adam
said the defensive coordinator would fight whoever dared to make
a suggestion. So basically, if you if you get in

(01:11:41):
your feelings after getting criticized, you go on the feelings
report and their punishments are pushups and other such grow
like activities. Um, I'm not gonna overreact to it. And
it's like makeing a PC culture thing. Like if this
is what everyone's buying into, I'm totally cool with it.
Not exactly how I would approach a situation, but everyone

(01:12:02):
has their own style. To me, I don't feel like
everyone responds to the same thing. And this is kind
of where coaches getting into trouble with this whole like
a macho mentality. Yeah, everyone has to buy into this
this you know, this mantra that I have that you
can't have any feelings or emotions. It's like that that
just doesn't work for everyone. And everyone responds to criticism differently.

(01:12:24):
Some players love to get yelled at. Some players, if
you yell at them, they completely shut down. They won't
listen to another thing you say. Like, that's part of
being a coach and being a leader that you have
to have a little bit of wiggle room in your approach.
Golay breaks down twice a week. It's very sensitive. I
make little jokes about his facial hair and it doesn't
sit well. Finally, you will love this. The Football Giants

(01:12:46):
owner John Mara made it clear where Eli stands. He
was asked about the potential quarterback transition and he had
this to say, I hopefully Eli has a great year
in Gango never sees the field. I mean, I repeat,
in an ideal world. Good you'd like to see that again.
At the end of the day, it's going to be
a decision by the head coach just to win. No,

(01:13:06):
for if Daniels up plans year, why does it matter
who is the quarterback? I thought Daniel Jones is the
number six overall pick. What do you mean you hope
Eli has a great year and he never sees the field? Well,
why is that the ideal situation? Well, it would be
ideal because you're rookie would sit for a year, and
then he wouldn't have to deal with a controversy because
Eli is playing great. I'll tell you, Daniel Jones, we're

(01:13:30):
showing some video here, sorry to the radio audience. He
was a bunch of timing routes. I thought Daniel Jones
looked really good. Now, I know it means nothing vanilla coverages,
but I thought he was really accurate. He was five, five,
six or seven yards in one touchdown, Yeah, and he
I thought. I thought he made a couple of throws.
The one of the corner of the end zone. You're like, oh,
that's a big time NFL timing throw. You could tell
the Giants put him in situations make a big throw,

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and he did. He was very accurate. I liked him.
I thought he looked really good. Here's the problem with
the Giants. I don't think that there's a scenario this
year where they don't have a quarterback controversy, because even
if Eli does earned the starting job, which we're all
assuming that he will, he won't be great. He's not
going to be great, And the moment it starts to slip,
everyone's gonna be screaming and hollering for Daniel Jones and
then what do you do. That's a good point. Enjoy
with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for

(01:14:15):
stopping by the herds. Former Patriot linebacker Matt Chatham, he
writes for The Athletic, three time Super Bowl champ, former
Patriots linebacker. You know we're going to talk to him
about the whole Brady thing is Brady ages was he
upset last week with a contract that was offered and
signed by him and his agent with New England and Belichick.

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Matt knows this organization, he knows Brady, he knows Belichick,
he knows the culture, he knows the system. You know
how the game has played. And Matt is joining us
here on the phone in the Herd. First of all, Matt,
I want to start with this. Brady did seem, you know,
marginally irritated. Maybe I'm reaching here on his new contract.
You know, it's probably like three years guaranteed. Did you

(01:16:27):
notice irritation or am I reaching? And Tom is satisfied
with his current status contractually. I would say that his
transcript reads as mildly agitated. The live performance was jokey
and laid back, and he probably couldn't care less. I
think the notion of referencing that it is what it is.

(01:16:48):
I mean, obviously at the trital statement that everyone uses,
but when he went to that, and he had the
big right grin on his face, he says, Hey, we're
gonna go year to year. Like everyone, it goes year
to year. And in the context of all the other
things he was saying at that time, I always try
to point to people that, and again it's not something
that I can reference or most people that are going
to hear Tom talk and reference. He uses kings, thinking

(01:17:09):
he's a king, and kings don't quibble over a lot
of these small things. I think the notion that hey,
such and such player is going to make two million
dollars more than me. I'll he'll play five or six
years in the league and I'll play twenty five, and
I'm gonna have more rings than everyone else, and I
have a tremendous life, and some of that being counting
isn't necessary when you're a king, And I think that's
part of it. What do you have liked, you know,
more guaranteed money that pulled him for you know, for

(01:17:30):
certainty's sake, where everything would be, you know, twenty four
months from now. Yeah, that'd be great. But he's a
forty year old guy, and I think there's some realism here,
especially when consider the parties they are negotiating. He and
Craft have a special relationship. Sometimes in the documentary it
felt like he and Belichick tolerated each other. But it
has to be a little warmer than that, isn't it? Yeah?

(01:17:51):
It is, And I think part of it. Shoot, I
can't even think of my own wife a relationship to
where you have that long where there aren't some icy moment.
And that's gonna be part of it. But the reality
is that come over, they've overcome so many different things,
so many different challenges, so many different sequences of time
where the be twelve months or eighteen months or a
little pocket of seasons where things weren't the greatest. When

(01:18:14):
you've been through those sort of battles of someone so
many times so many different ways. There's sort of an
inherent understanding on one another that goes deeper than you
know are your general coach player relationships. So most people
can't relate to this. I certainly can't. You know, nine
years in the league, and I don't. You know, you're
transient enough to where you have a different coach every
few years. But that's not what these guys have dealt with.

(01:18:36):
So there are going to be minor quibbles. But I
think at the end of the day, these guys have
been through so many of those rings, ceremonies, so many
of those times, quiet moments in the off season, cigars
after us all said and done, where these little things
that you know become news story for us. Then the
media they come and go that stuff doesn't. Let's talk
about nikkil Harry Arizona statement. I saw a lot of

(01:18:58):
them in college. He's not a burner. He reminds me
a little bit of an Quon Bolden, good in space,
good in crowd tough. What kind of impact will he
have year one? Does he replaced wrong? It's an itch.
I actually like your your Bolden comp I think that's
a pretty good one. I think another one you know,
Dez Bryant got thrown out there. I think part of

(01:19:19):
it because those guys weren't known for separation, but they
were great on ball players, so they have good extension
once it arrives. They have really good body control. They're
really strong for their position, and I think that's kind
of where he fits. One thing we've seen in sort
of these joint practices with Detroit a week ago and
just the general team practices here in camp is he's
very competitive. He works hard. But I mean that's again

(01:19:41):
another troite statement that you hear a lot about wide receivers,
but this guy is a bit of a workhorse. In
moments where you can kind of tell a team is,
you know, let's go eighty percent here, he always feels
like he's the guy five percent out in front of it.
So that's a good quality to have early on at
But then again, in saying all this, there's a long
history of you know, canna, rookie wide receiver get up

(01:20:01):
to speed and necessarily be like a front end guy
off the bat. There's that's not really realistic. I think
really across the NFL, even some of your best guys
ob J and you know, like a Julio Jones. I
don't think coming out the gates and ben a thousand
yard guys typically how it goes, even with the most
most consistent or highly talented guys like that. So Gronk
was just so different. And I think a lot of

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Gronks wins generally are going to come on the inside
of the field. So Harry does this thing outside the numbers.
I think maybe some production from this new guy that's
been sort of the camp wonder here. Jacobe Myers from
NC State sixty three, another tall ride receiver, but he
can be more slot focused, and if you're talking bigger slots,
which is the polar opposite of like a Wes Welker
or a Danny A Mendola, you know it's it's not

(01:20:44):
a one for one necessarily with a tight end, but
you do get that length in the extension between the hashes.
I've said a couple of years ago, I felt Tom
in December didn't quite have the arm push that he
had early in seasons. That's the decline I see. I've
never ever thought there's not a noticeable decline, but I
did think December and on sometimes cold weather it's harder

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as you age have you ever seen a decline in
the last two years in any aspect of Tom's game? Uh? No,
I mean I think there was a moment there mid
season where you can you can point to rough play,
but the problem was doing that in most players are
gonna have it. Obviously, Tom's above the curve and has
usually much less of it. The problem with some of
the mistakes where you know, there was maybe a heavy

(01:21:26):
week or two of a couple of interceptions or a
wild ball or one of the bigger issues that the
team had last year mid season before they really turned
things around, was operationally, you know, some timeouts at wrong times,
and that's something that that's really age independent. But his
arm was strong throughout the playoffs. I think it was exceptional.
You can go back to both the Chargers and Chiefs
game and even a lot of the throws that that

(01:21:46):
happened in a relatively low scoring game there with the
rams of the Super Bowl. So I've sort of challenged
myself and a lot of the guys that stood up
there on the hill during media times with their binoculars
watching Tom go through this practice that you know, I
want to through with him so many times. And then
now I've done it for almost a decade as a
media member. It is very difficult, and I think objectively,
I would be pressed to find that one attribute that's

(01:22:09):
different if he were ten years ago. It's really really
difficult to find it, even if you were looking for
and wanted to find it and wanted to say, hey,
there's the drop. He's such a smooth long ball thrower.
He's pretty effortless evon on deep outs. He pretty much
has the same tempo, mannerisms, gate way he gets in
and out of the pocket like he always has, which
can be frustrating because you expected at some point it's

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going to hit, but it really hasn't yet. His name
is Matt Chatham. Three super Bowl champs, seven years. He
now writes for The Athletic, which is a great site.
I go to it daily. Preseason color commentator on the
Patriot Radio Network. Smart guy, obviously, Matt. I'd love to
have you on again before the end of the preseason.
Great job and nice finally having you on the show.

(01:22:51):
Thank you so much. All right, thanks, gonna take care
of you, bet, Matt Chatham. You know it's funny he
talked about the gate the way he walks. You know,
sometimes as you get older as an as lead, you
know you see the old athlete, they have a different walk.
You know they haven't they haven't done the prerequisite yoga.
That's the one thing about Brady is that we joke
on this show even facially, he hasn't aged a ton.

(01:23:13):
He clearly takes absurd care of his body. That's what
Troy Aikman said yesterday on Twitter. Troy is like, listen,
just because of the way he treats his body. He
can make it to forty five, but it takes one
or two shots to Kurtwarner, Brett Farve and the end
comes very very fast. You know, there's the old joke
in the NBA that like when you in the NBA,
the speed if you bump knees in your first five

(01:23:35):
years in the league, you you sit down for the
rest of the half. If you do it. You know,
eight years into the NBA, you miss a game, you
go in the IR If you do it, you're twelfth
year in the league, you bump knees with Westbrook, You're
out for like three weeks. It comes fast. When you age,
you do not heal quickly, regardless of how good you're

(01:23:56):
You know your trainer is all right. Hour three's coming up.
Bucky Brooks one of my favorite guys. Preseason well underway
in LA. It's the Herd one more Herd. The Herd
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(01:24:16):
was a scout NFL Network and now the head football
coach at Granada Hills in California, and all your coaching buddies,
your Chip Kelly's, your Lincoln, Riley's your Mike leeches or
give any information. So now you're a coach again. Yeah,
I'm a coach, but I've been coaching. I've been coaching
high school ball for ten years. But now I get
the big whistle. So me and LaVar Arrington, who comes
on like, we get to share here coaching stories and

(01:24:38):
talk about all kinds of craziness or whatever. But now
it's been a ton of fun. Another education in the
life of my football journey. Oh that's great, Antonio brown
I said earlier. A chaotic families probably more capable of
dealing with chaos. A stable family could be rocked by it.
There used to be a show called Wife Swap and
you put the crazy wife into the stable family and

(01:24:58):
it was a mass but the other families seem to
love Mom. Ab with the Raiders doesn't feel disruptive to me.
He is their brand. They've been mysterious, enigmatic, odd. They
almost feel like the Clippers with Donald Sterling. They're in
the league, not of the league. I mean even their
uniforms they've always looked like practiced jerseys. It's just I

(01:25:18):
mean they tarp off the upper deck, their their owner.
Uh is different. Doesn't feel as corporatized as the rest
of the NFL. I mean, what would you do you know,
you're coach in high school? What would you do if
you were coaching a B Do you think it's massively disruptive?
I mean it's tough because what ideally, in a perfect world,
you want your best player to be your best worker

(01:25:41):
and the ultimate team guy. Uh. The stories that you
hear out of Oakland throughout all of this stuff is
just concerning one the cryotherapy thing, defeat not being available
to me, that's kind of like a lack of immaturity
and professionalism, Like, hey, take care of yourself if you
need to be available. They paid you a ton of
money to expect you to be one of the guys

(01:26:01):
out here kind of demonstrating to our guys how to win.
He came from still his organization at one or ton
of games. You would like for him to be able
to convey some of those messages to his teammates. The
bigger thing where I'm worried is he's acting out already.
And so you have John Gruden, who, to his point,
look he's trying to curry favor with his guy. He
took some bullets for him. He stood up there said like, hey,

(01:26:23):
I don't understand why he's getting all this flack and
the like. But at some point John Gruden and Aby
have to have a conversation and he has to outline.
Look the expectations for you, man, We expect you to
be not only a great player, but we want you
to lead the younger guys. Because when you look at
the way the Raiders are built, you have what they
did in the draft, which I thought was very successful.

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They did the Warren Buffet model. Big guys, big brand names,
big schools, guys that came from winning programs. Alabama Clempson
character was great. But then in the free agent market,
you have Anthony Brown where you traded for, you have
Vants Berfick, you have some guys that are a little edgy.
So ultimately, what is the culture of that locker room
going to be? Is it the younger guys they kind

(01:27:05):
of know how to be compliant and following total line,
or is it the older guys who have had a
level of dysfunction that have always followed them. Is really
going to be interesting to watch how this team handles
crisis whenever it happens in the season. Who is going
to be the galvanizing force that can bring everybody back
on board and get them on the right track. That

(01:27:26):
is the challenge that I see from the Raiders, And
how is Gruden going to navigate the rocky waters and
kind of be consistent with his message to his team. Well,
you've played with the Jags, Packers, Chiefs, Bills, Raiders every season,
including New England. Last year, New England had a two
game stretch where Tom's knee wasn't great and they were bad.
They went down to Miami, the Pittsburgh game, they were bad.
So when you were in the NFL and you do

(01:27:49):
hit inevitably the rocky Waters. Is it the quarterback who
takes over, is it? I mean Derek Carr. It's funny.
Gruden feels loud and for bows an alpha, and sometimes
Derek Carr doesn't feel like that to me. Yeah, So
it really depends on the level that we're talking about
where the quarterback is. If you're talking about an elite

(01:28:09):
quarterback who has a big voice, who doesn't mind standing
in front of the room and counter saying ay, I
got this, will will do it. They'll take on more
responsibility and they'll play at a higher level. Those guys
can do it. Other times it's the coach who has
to drive it. When I was in Kansas City, there
was it was clear Marty Schottenhammer was a driving force
of that thing. His confidence, his consistency, his stability allowed

(01:28:32):
the team to be confident doing a rough stretch. So
a lot of it depends on who is the ultimate leader.
But one or the other has to be the guy
that the coach. Quarter has to be the coach or
it has to be the quarterback. One of those guys
when it comes to a critical moment in the season,
they have to be able to steady the waters either
through their play and performance or how they carry themselves

(01:28:54):
on the field. The guys will kind of gain confidence
from watching how they go about their business. When you
look at the a we were talking about the AFC NFC,
where the AFC has got really really good rosters at
the top. But by the time I get to about
the fifth team, Houston, I'm like, no, GM battle line
never been a step up franchise. I look at the

(01:29:16):
NFC and I can go down to what I think
is the ninth best team in the NFC or eighth
Atlanta MVP quarterback Super Bowl twenty eight and twenty and
I think they have really good owner GM coach quarterback.
This is why I say with DAK in a hardcap league,
the NFC feels like to me, inches matter, details matter
more that That's not to say the AFC doesn't have

(01:29:38):
really good teams at the top, but in the AFC,
you do get back to back games. You're hosting the Bills,
you're hosting the Dolphins, it feels like you should win
those games. I don't feel like there's much of a bottom.
It's very brief, if at all, in the NFC. So
when I look at the DAK contract, and I look
at the Cowboys, I'm like, listen, the idea of just

(01:29:58):
get just getting Dak done. Why shouldn't they just play
this thing out franchise him next year? Well? Why why not?
I mean, if they can, but then you run the
risk of the Kirk Cousin deal. So the Kirk Cousin thing.
So the reason why everyone is so surprised by the
numbers that are being floated out about Dak is because

(01:30:18):
the Dallas Cowboys waited. They could have got this deal
done in the fall. You probably could have got him
at about twenty three twenty four million per A lot
of it is skewed because the Jimmy Garoppolo deal at
twenty seven million kind of set the market ups It
kind of upset the market. Well, now, Dak Prescott always
has the luxury of knowing, Okay, you don't want to
pay me cool, I know this. If you franchise me,

(01:30:40):
we're looking at thirty to thirty two million dollars, and
if you do it again, it's one hundred and twenty
percent over top of that. So I know, if I
get the franchise tag, we're looking at sixty five sixty
six million dollars guaranteed. So the conversation starts at that point.
And so when people are upset, like I can't believe
they're going to pay him thirty three, thirty four, thirty
five million dollars, it has to start there because the

(01:31:03):
vehicles that are in place by the CBA. What the
Dallas Cowboys have to decide and determine what do we
want to pay him, how much above Carson Wentz or
their rate are we willing to go because we have
to get them done. If you go back and look
at what has happened with the Dallas Cowboys, they had
to run with Tony Romo, they had to run with
Troy Aigman. But I don't think anybody wants to go

(01:31:24):
back to the years with the head Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson,
Drew Henson. For all of his flaws, Dak Prescott has
been a stabilizing force in that locker room. They won
two division titles. He's won a ton of games, second
most behind Tom Brady, and they are in the mix,
which is what you always want. Now they have to
make a decision not on him, because he has he's

(01:31:45):
gonna get done. They have to get him done. What
do we want to do with Ezekiel Elliott? Because Ezekiel
Elliot is the one where they really don't have to
do anything. They have two more years before they really
have to even think about paying him. Them paying Ezekiel
Elliott now will really be doing him because he doesn't
have any leverage. They can just play it out. He
has two gears, the option, the franchise, tack and go

(01:32:07):
about their business. If Jerry was younger, could I not
make this argument, Bucky Brooks joining us, here's the best
thing to do. Don't give Zeke money. Let him sit out.
If Jerry was forty six not seventy six, Let Dak
play the season without Zeke. Numbers come down. Maybe then

(01:32:27):
at the end of the year. Now I go to
Dak and I'm like, yeah, I've seen you. When you
carry the team, I'll give you twenty seven five, Oh dear.
But see, but it still won't work. See because Marie
Cooper is in the building. So we look. We saw
Dak's numbers the last half of the year. Dad looked
like a different quarterback when he had a Marie Cooper,
a legitimate number one receiver. We could say unfairly I
don't know if he had an upper echelon wide receiver corps.

(01:32:50):
He had a declining Dez Bryant. He had Cole Beasley,
who's a nice third receiver, but he really didn't have
high end weapons. So now you give him a high
end weapon, he looks a little different. Yes, you can
talk about he has Zeke Elliot behind him, but remember
he also played with an offensive line that has probably
had a better reputation than the way they perform. Tyron
Smith has been hurt. He's no longer the guy that

(01:33:10):
he once was. He didn't have Travis Frederick playing at center,
who's a Pro Bowl center. So now he would have
an opportunity where if you remove Zeke, he still has
high level players around him. I still would expect him
to play at a high level. Look, he needs everything,
as most quarterbacks need everything. Drew Brees. Drew Brees needs
Alvin Kamara and Michael Thomas to play at a high level.

(01:33:34):
Of the quarterbacks in this league need things around them
to perform at a high level. I think you could
argue there are only two guys that maybe can do
it without others. That would be Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.
Those are the only ones that we've seen consistently do
it without it, and maybe even Philip Rivers who has
had to do it in the past without high end
players around them. But the rest of the league, they

(01:33:55):
need everything around him to be able to be successful
at quarterbacks. I'm gonna throw this out. Andrew Locke now
has a bone injury. According to Jim ur Say, we
thought it was a calf injury. He's had seven different
injuries in his seven years, many of them lacerated kidney
are brutal, some injured thumb are kind of fairly pedestrian.
But in Andrew Luck's first five years in the NFL,
he was not only sacked one hundred and fifty six times,

(01:34:17):
he was hit four hundred and ninety four most in
the league. That is missing ten games. So if you
look at Tom Brady, who played all sixteen, he was
hit about one hundred and twenty five less in all
sixteen games. Part of me thinks with Andrew Luck that

(01:34:37):
he was so unprotected and mismanaged early by a previous
gm AT administration that will never see him at his best.
That he's eighty five percent now mentally he's fine, eighty
five percent physically, that's it that his years. It's the
David Carr syndrome. David mentally struggled. He was just so
beaten down. I think Andrew physically, I'm here about this

(01:35:00):
calf injury, this bone injury. Something's not right. No, something's
not right, like there's a series of injuries. I will
say that Andrew Luck would have benefited from having Frank
Reich around earlier because the thing that changed schematically, the
ball comes out quicker. So the coach played one or
two ways in the passing game. When they're releasing all
five eligible receivers out, it's quick rhythm passing game, meaning

(01:35:22):
he gets the ball, is catching throw, the ball is out.
When they pushed the ball down the field, two and
three man routes almost maximum protection to make sure that
he doesn't have to worry about getting hit from a
free hitter. In the past, when he first got into
the league, they were running these deep, long routes, letting
it fully developed. And because Andrew Luck was so competitive,
he is waiting for everything, fully exhausting the route because

(01:35:46):
for him, and we've heard Cam Newton and other quarterbacks
talk about this to them, throwing a check down is
a loss. Right. What happens is as you get older,
Tom Brady Drew brees to them, they'll take the check down.
Because what happens every completion changes the way the defense plays.
So when you're looking at Tom Brady played now as

(01:36:07):
an older quarterback, he'll dincon duncan, dincon dunk. Let the
backs work, He'll pull the coverage up, then he'll hit
him with a strike. Andrew Luck had to learn how
to kind of play that game where look, I'll just
take where they give me. I'll be patient and eventually
I will get what I want. But I have to
be patient and wait for it to happen. Yeah, and
then and I yeah, And I'm not blaming just Ryan Gregson.

(01:36:28):
I mean I in his first couple of years with
Andrew Luck, there was a he was a home run hitter.
Oh yeah, I mean he was just sitting in that
pocket by the way, big Ben, I mean early, Look,
it happened. It happens to most. So what happens big Ben,
big Ben had to change his style of play, and
even with the rub that he had with Todd Haley,

(01:36:49):
Todd Haley might have been one of the best things
that happened to Ben Roethlisberger, because then he became more
of a quick rhythm passer. The ball got out, he
didn't take as many shots. He's still the gun slinger,
but he doesn't leave the pocket as much as he
used to. He's become a little more disciplined in terms
of the way that he played. Andrew Luck ran around
a lot, was tough. He's a good athlete, probably underrated

(01:37:11):
on the outside in terms of his athleticism, but he
would run around it. He would take these shots where
he wouldn't give himself up. Now that he's been beaten up,
he'll get rid of the ball. He won't take those shots.
You hope that he's healthy enough that he can take
the experiences and become a better quarterback. But yeah, he's
certainly physically damaged from how he played early in his career.
Bucky Brooks good seeing near the coach of Granada High School.

(01:37:31):
I'm gonna drop a couple of plays for you, my
hooking ladder. That's right, John Yille. We try to get
Johnny were excited about his album Honor. Has he ever
stopped buying? Yeah, we talked, We talked a little bit.
We talked, were trying to bring him back. Everything is
named after him, the stadium, the field, all that. We're
trying to do everything to encourage him to come back.
So we'll even come over some other thing. Good seeing you. Thanks,
Joy with the news, Turn on the news. This is

(01:37:55):
the herd Line News. All right, let's stick without Andrew
Luck story so up in the till today. Really we
thought it was a lingering calf injury, and owner Jim
Ersey added a little extra to its. He was on
Serious XM NFL radio and said this, Everyone's had their
questions about Andrew and that sort of thing, but I

(01:38:15):
really feel very confident that he's gonna find his way
through this thing. Quite frankly, this is not even in
the Achilles tendon. It's another areas. It's a small little bone.
But he's you know, he's doing very well. Man. He
couldn't be more excited for the season. We weren't even
talking about the Achilles. How did the Achilles come up? Achilles?

(01:38:37):
I mean that you never even want to say Achilles,
Like that's like the ultimate of like acl and achilles.
Avoid those two terms. It's going to send everyone into
a panic. We just thought it was a lingering calf injury.
I mean, obviously we thought that Kevin Durant's injury was
a lingering calf injury and the call that turned out.
But this is very concerning to me. As I said,

(01:38:58):
it's not about him playing in the preseason not playing
in the preseason. It's about him not practicing because the
season is a little over three weeks away and he
isn't able to get out on the practice field and
we know what the colts are when he's not available,
Like that's it's not great, but there are there's a
little bit of positivity. Tom Pellisero reported an NFL network

(01:39:18):
that he is throwing the heck out of the ball
behind the scenes, but it will be at least another
week until we see him do it in a practice setting.
Still no clear time table. So he is throwing well,
so I guess the top apps working. Yeah, it's just
very it's really concerning with Andrew lives like and also
they are without him, and this is also a really
good roster. This is a real good team, Like this

(01:39:39):
is one of these years you got the aging AFC quarterbacks.
They've got a very good young roster with Andrew Logs. Yeah,
it feels like, if he's healthy, this could be a
breakout year. Absolutely, so, Antonio Brown is due back at
Raiders training camp today. This of course follows an extended
absence because of his feet and him not being able
to find the kind of helmet that once and Brian

(01:40:01):
Westbrook recently sat in with Adam Lefco of Bleacher Report
and compared the situation to TiO with the Eagles. If
this same attitude, the same or around this team continues,
it's impossible to win. To win in this league, you
have to have everybody going in the same direction. If
you have one guy doing something totally different, it messes

(01:40:21):
up everything. I think in Oakland a lot of the
players support Antonio Brown because of this skill set. Also
he brings with him a culture of winning. Yep, they
don't have that, and that's the problem. In the locker room.
I literally experienced it. Whether Donovan McNabb was right or
wrong or some things, we supported our quarterback right. And
so when we had TiO come in, we had half
the room supporting Donovan because they were having a problem

(01:40:42):
with each other. The other half supported TiO because all
those things you just meant he works hard, he brings
it he's a winning talent, the best in the league.
I don't know that comparing the Teo situation is entirely fair.
That was a super Bowl level team and Antonio Brown
is the best player that the Raiders have. And the
Raiders are not the Steelers. You're not coming into a

(01:41:04):
situation that is running well. There's an established culture which
a raid direction. Who are er Raiders? Yeah, we don't know.
He's our second best player right now. Their center, their
center is one of the best centers in the league.
But I mean, there you go, Derek Carr like, it's
not a situation where you feel like you know what

(01:41:25):
direction they're going and what they're going to be now.
He is at he is at training camp, and he
is Yeah, it was ruled he was able to wear
that helmet as long as it wasn't it was within
ten years. So he's looking for or holmeant to play in.
It's just it is a weird situation. It doesn't feel
like the TiO situation to me at all. Finally, Tom
Brady wants to play until he's forty five. There's been
some questions surrounding his future with the Patriots, and he

(01:41:47):
said he isn't ready to talk about retirement yet, even
at forty two, the oldest non kicker in the NFL,
do you still see yourself playing to forty five? Yeah,
I do. I certainly hope. So it's a big commitment
and it's a lot of time and energy I'd put
into getting ready for practice, post practice treatment. You know,
the mental part of the game is not the challenge.

(01:42:09):
It's just really working hard to keep my body in
physical preparation, physical shape that I'm certainly not a robot.
There's a lot of time and energy to prepare myself
and my body to play. I love doing that, and
I think that's why I've been very fortunate to be
able to play as long as I have. You know,
it's kind of interesting it's about Tom Brady this year
is that he said he changed his workout a little bit,

(01:42:31):
like he is bolked up. Yeah, in general, he's more
of a pliability guy, yoga, longer muscles, and he changed
that later in his career is kind of an odd
thing to do. I mean, this year is one of
those years I don't really know what to expect of
the Patriots or Tom Brady, Like I'm assuming they're going
to be great. They're Super Bowl contenders again. They're gonna

(01:42:52):
be younger and more athletics, a different team than last year.
So I don't really know what to expect. Like if
you look at the Chiefs, you know what they are,
and not to say that we don't know what the
Patriots are. The Patriots are gonna be great. Patriots had
their culture, but I mean, what are you expecting from
them this year. I think they're gonna be young. I
think they're gonna be athletic, more athletic than last year.

(01:43:13):
I think Harry By like November and kill Harry will
be good By like Thanksgiving on. I think Josh Gordon
is getting talked about. Watch the whole Josh Gordon think.
By the way, I still contend Gronk will get a
phone call. I don't know. Have you seen Gronk lately?
Looks trunk. He looks great, but he has lost all

(01:43:34):
of that football bulk to enjoying his retirement. I don't
know that he's coming back. I don't I don't believe
those stories. I think he's had enough surgeries and he
is he is enjoying not being in training camp right
now and not getting it. God I love watching these
patriot videos. All right, Joey with the news. Well that's
the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herdline News.

(01:43:56):
By the way, the NBA um did something yesterday that's interesting.
They announced new times starting times for games. Basically, they'll
start earlier on the West Coast. And the reason they're
making changes is because nobody's watching the Eastern Conference. Lebron

(01:44:20):
has left the Eastern Conference. You know, this is one
of the things that the NFL's always had an advantage
over the NBA. The NBA, in my life, has had
six players who have changed the ratings. Magic Bird, Michael Kobe, Shack, Lebron.
I think Zion could be the next. We got to

(01:44:41):
see if he's a special player. I think he will be.
They've only had six needle movers. If I owned a company,
I would prefer not to be beholden for a decade
to one employee. I would much rather have a system,
or a culture or a company where I could lose
a top employee and I'd be a fine Tiger Woods

(01:45:02):
Golf became beholden the Tiger Woods. He left, they lost
huge ratings. Michael Jordan left the NBA. They lost fifty
percent of the ratings. It shows that the NBA has
all sorts of really really great players Yannis Anthony Davis,
terrific players, Kawhi Leonard. They don't move the needle. They
don't capture the public. Now they're great, but they don't

(01:45:23):
capture the public. The NBA has always been star driven.
The downside to it is this Lebron leaves a conference
and they literally have to change starting times because the
ratings capsized. Now, I do think there's been six needle movers.
I think Zion. This goes to show you that it's
not all talent, it's magnetism. Kareem was great, didn't move

(01:45:45):
the needle. Tim Duncan was great, didn't move the needle.
It's not just talent, it's it's magnetism. I think Zion,
in my opinion, is the next. And I think, you know,
would he have really moved it in New York more
than New Orleans? I think absolutely. That's where market matters.
Being a Laker, a nicoa Celtic matters. But you know,
this shows you when you're star driven boxing. By the way,

(01:46:07):
you have three or four great boxer Sugar Ray Leonard
retire there's not the conveyor belt of sugar Ray Leonard
magnetism on the market, so that this has always been
a little bit of the NFL secret sauce. They're not
beholding Peyton Manning retired, Farve retired. They're good, Brady's going
to retire. They'll be good. Coming up National Left Hander Day,

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it's National Left Handers Day. My son is left handed,
and we were going back to the ten greatest lefties
of all time. It's not easy. There's a lot of choices.
Wayne Gretzky did not make the list because he's kind

(01:48:18):
of ambidextrous. So like Wayne Gretzky, you know, you're thinking, yeah,
a lot of athletes are so tricky. All right, So
who are the great left handers? All right, let's start
the list. Number ten. James Harden Okay, average thirty six
point one points a game last year. That's the most sense.
Michael Jordan analytically the best scoring guard of all time,

(01:48:41):
MVP seven time All Star the beard. I mean he's
he is. He is now if analytics manner in basketball,
the single most efficient score in league history. So he's
number ten. Number nine Manny Pacchio. Did you know he
was left handed? A lot of people on our staff
not know he was left handed. He has won twelve

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major world titles. Just beat by the way, as you
predicted Keith Thurman. I was watching Keith Urban. You were
watching Keith Thurman. That's how our summer went. Only eight
division world champ in the history of boxing. Also a
senator of the Philippines. Certainly one of the seminole kind
of boxers in the last thirty years. Number eight Keanu Reeves,

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who has saved the world multiple times in matrix and speed,
also played a quarterback twice a winning quarter he played
Johnny Utahn point break. He played Shane Falco in the replacements,
led Ohio State to a Sugar Bowl. Keanu Reeves is
a left hander. Number seven now a real quarterback. Steve Young.

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Who Steve Young is probably because he followed Joe Montana,
the most underrated player in NFL history. He was a
Super Bowl MVP. He won the regular season MVP twice.
He was a seven time Pro bowler, was a Pro
Football Hall of Famer, excellent analyst on television and again
because he replaced at the time the greatest quarterback of

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all time, you just forget. And he was a lefty,
and he went he went to a different route. He
didn't play the college power. Then he went to the
USFLU started with a you know another league. You just forget.
How great Steve Young was. Number six, I'm a Seattle guy.
Ken Griffey Jr. They called him the natural, the kid,

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thirteen time All Star may have been the most naturally
gifted baseball player. Seriously, I've ever seen. I mean, he
literally has a perfect swing. M I watched him playing
the Kingdom. Here's some Here's some Kingdom My lives. God,
look at that swing. Now. He was a he was

(01:50:55):
a backward hat backwards that I'm okay, hat backwards unless
you're a quarterback. Okay, so only if you're a quarterback.
I don't like it at all. Coach, you don't like
it on a head, coach, do not. Man. Griffy was
just absolutely beautiful to watch, Okay. Number of five, number
five Aristotle. Oh, he was the father of Western philosophy,

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Greek philosopher, not much of a sports tie, but he's
arguably the smartest man in a history in sports. He's
the smartest left handed man in the history of the world.
Have you ever taken a philosophy course? Oh yeah, a
couple of them. Brutal, hard so and I had a
boring professor in college and made it worse. Number four ethics.

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He was very good with ethics. Yes. Number four Rafiel
on Nadal. He's the greatest clay player ever. He's won
twelve French Opens. I would say you can make an
argument Raffie, Djokovic and Nadal who's the greatest all time?
I used to think it was McEnroe, maybe Borg eighteen

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grand titles, second most of all time. Nobody's dominated a
surface like he has dominated clay. Number three Barry Bonds,
who not only is the most home runs ever, was
an eight time Gold Glove winner. Enigmatic, polarizing. Barry Bonds
is a fourteen time All Star. Comes with a little

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off field baggage and a little on field baggage. Now,
I don't think his swing is as natural as Ken griffis,
but he put up better numbers. Number two people forget this.
Not a lot of video. Bill Russell, our first great
NBA center. Bill Russell was so good when in college
he made the University of San Francisco a national champion

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and it's just a little beautiful, small college. I mean,
think about that. That's how great Bill Russell was in
the in the era of all these Kentucky's and all
these Kansas and all the he was winning national titles.
I mean he's he's kind of low key to go.
If we're really having that convo, yeah, he really has
got double the championship. Is greatest defensive center of all time,

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great team player. Yes, and then number number one, Babe Ruth.
I mean we're gonna say yeah, Babe Ruth. Seven time
World Series champ, had more home runs than Divisions did,
twelve time home run leader, third most home runs of
all time. Called a shot in the thirty two World
Series against the Cubs, Babe Ruth. Now we did not

(01:53:26):
count Wayne Gretzky, and I did put up a fight
for Phil Mickelson. But people voted in Keanu Reeves and Aristotle.
I mean, you know John Wick love for Keanu Reeves.
You don't watch John Wick. It's supposed to be really good, right,
what what do you mean, watched supposed to be? It is?
They're amazing. I've watched the Osborne Jason Osborne that what's that?

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What's that? What's the Osbourne? Then? What's the Dame Matt
Damon thing? Jason Bourne Osborne? I watched I watched the
Matt Damon Bourne series. O. Great, great series you have.
So if you like the you'll love you'll love the
John Wick movies. You gotta check this. Yeah, they're really good. Okay,
Born series or Wick series? What's better? Again? See there's

(01:54:08):
the reaction. It's close. Really, it's close. The Jason Osbourne
series that's in production. That one's introduction, right, Okay. Matt
Chatham of the Patriots, Bucky Brooks, Eric Mangini, and Doug
Gottlieb stopped by our show today. Red Sox Indians in

(01:54:28):
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listen live or on demand whenever you like. Very interesting.
M Getting a sneak peek of Hard Knocks tonight on HBO.
Not getting what I want on Antonio Brown. You're getting

(01:55:11):
a little Sean McVeigh. You know, Sean McVeigh used to
work with Gruden and Tampa. Right, you're not getting the
Antonio Brown stuff. Well, I mean you're just getting sneak peek.
Maybe they're maybe they're saving the good stuff for the show.
I mean, that's what HBO Hard Knocks is right inside.
That's that's why you watch the show. Like our show is.
Maybe nobody knows what's going on, so there's nothing to

(01:55:31):
put in it, all right. Doug Gotlieb was on the
show earlier today. He's doing his show on Fox Sports
Radio after mine at Cowboy Camp Layton vendor Esh Randall
Cobbs on the show. Jason Witten is on the show,
so Travis Frederick's on the show. So he's got it
all lined up. If you're listening to our Fox Sports
Radio affiliates. He told us why the Cowboys should sit
tight on paying Dak Jerry Jones is not getting any younger,

(01:55:53):
and he sees Miami as a legit possibility, maybe even likelihood. Jerry,
in his own mind, if we're ever gonna do it,
the time is now, and we can figure out a
way to make the money work. But we just have
to get all of these kind of ducks in a row.
The crazy part about it is, for example, with Dak Prescott,
they're really not under any pressure to give him a contract.

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If they don't, they can franchise him next year. It's
like Marissa Tomay and my cousin Vinnie Writer, biological clock
is ticking. That's Jerry Jones, like my football clock is ticking. Here.
Let's get into a Super Bowl. Yeah, we'll see as
the Cowboys turn Wentz Eagles. Got that thing all locked up?
Didn't make the news. I bet you Maholmes, I get

(01:56:37):
that thing all locked up won't make the news. It
is typically Dallas a bit of a circus coming up.
Speak for yourself. Why the Cowboys should let Dak finish
out his current deal. That's what the guys are landing.
Whitlock Wiley, Speak for yourself right now. Be sure to
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