Ezekiel Elliott, Russell Westbrook, Golden Tate, and Aaron Rodgers

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This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however
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joining me today's show. I have so much energy for it.
Not because I have a big glass of red Bull. Uh,
well you're not. You're not buying coffee from Pockee Shots, Amrunette.

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So the red Bull is still. I can go get
red Bull anywhere. Yesterday I decided no more coffee shops.
I'm ton of getting home, tired of getting host um.
So we I can officially a feed those field this morning.
We're kind of segway into football. Yeah, and I want
to start in the show with this and enjoy. I'm
gonna say something and people are gonna think I'm nuts,

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and I'm gonna say, take a deep breath and just listen.
This isn't politics. You're not voting on this issue where
people are intractable. This is sports, where we change our
mind all the time. Player gets hurt, coach gets fired
this morning. Is Zekiel Elliott, best running back in the
NFL has privately said he's planning a training camp holdout.
He's got two years left on his contract. Two years left,

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and he's putting you through this nonsense. Forget the fact
that every offseason there's a new judicial issue. Trade him.
I would trade Zeke. Take a deep breath. Take a
deep breath. This is not the NBA, where after the
eighth draft pick, you're out of players this year. In

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the NBA by the fourth pick, it's a project. It's
an eighteen year old project. This is the NFL. Half
the lead is undrafted. There's football talent everywhere. Belichick every
other year he drafts an SEC running back. Nobody knows
he ends up being great. Trade Zeke. I'm not letting
this guy two years out. We're talking about this number one.

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There's a growing number of analytics in the NFL and
GMS that believe you do not give a running back
after three or four years in this league, a big contract.
High school carries, college carries, NFL carries once you get
into that two thousand carry area. Zeke's numbers touchdowns per

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game dropping dramatically, yards rushing per game coming down. Let
him go trade him. You can get a haul for him.
His value will never be hired. Today he is seen
as the number one running back in the NFL. This
is his greatest value from this point forward. More ding's

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more judicial issues, not great judgment. His value goes down.
Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughter. You could get a
haul for him. By the way, here's three teams that
moved off running backs. You told me they couldn't do it.
Pittsburgh Steeler, excuse me, Minnesota Vikings Adrian Peterson can't get

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rid of him, can't best running back for ten years.
Dave never missed the playoffs since he left. Minnesota is
a great franchise. They never didn't miss. By the way,
the only playoff game they won with Adrian Peterson. Brett
Favre's a quarterback. You told me they couldn't trade Adrian Peterson. Fike,
He's been fine without him. DeMarco Murray. Cowboys, Oh, by God,

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leaves the NFL and two Division three titles without DeMarco Murray,
Lavy and Bell. We weren't winning super bowls with him,
and you were number four in the NFL and offense
without him, and you paid James Connor nothing. This is
not a running back league. It's a quarterback league. It's
increasingly a wide receiver league because of rule changes. It's

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a left tackle league. It's an edge rusher league. It's
a have mobile linebackers. Let's have a lockdown corner. By
the way, the Cowboys have all of those. This organization
is not breaft of talent. In fact, over the weekend,
I read a website, an analytic website, that said Dallas
had more good young players than anybody in the NFL.
I think Philadelphia was second. And they're all mature. Amari

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Cooper great talented, young, mature, Dak really good, talented, mature
vander esh Jalen Smith, the linebacker, Byron Jones, the corner,
DeMarcus Lawrence. You gotta pay all these guys and they're
all mature. The one young guy they have that's not
a zeke. I'm not tying some people you date some
people you'll marry. I'm not tying myself long term to

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Zeke two years out. He's complaining about a contract. Pigs
get fed, hawks get slaughtered. Move off him, By the way,
here's a little secret. If you move off him and
then Dak, you can make a trade right now and
Dak has to play without him. Oh, maybe Dak can't
demand thirty five million a year if his numbers come
down a little, because Dak is your future, right, got

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to have a quarterback much easier to find a running
back than the quarterback. Look around the NFL last five years.
How many great second round, third round, fourth round, fifth
round running backs of coming to this league and not
only been good, been good soon. The RAM signed Todd
Gurley do a huge deal. They regret it today. Todd
Gurley got hurt. They found c. J. Anderson still made
it to the Super Bowl with c. J. Anderson You

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told me DeMarco Murray couldn't be traded, Lavan Bell couldn't
be moved. You told me Adrian Peterson was a must have.
By the way, who were the two franchises in the
NFL favored to get the Super Bowl? Patriots and Eagles
both are running back by committee. Trade him. I'm not
going to be held hostage by this nonsense. His rushing

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yards per game coming down, his touchdowns per game dramatically
coming down. He had five hundred ninety two carries in college.
He had eight hundred and seventy carries. In the NFL,
He's at fifteen hundred running back carries, not counting high school.
There's a rule in the NFL. What would Belichick do?
Trade him for a haul? By the way, Belichick would

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trade him, and Jimmy Johnson did trade herschel Walker, And
let's go back to the Jimmy Johnson trade. Hey, that
was a culture that nobody made trades. Nobody made trades. Secondly,
herschel Walker had gone for fifteen hundred rushing yards and
five hundred passing yards and Jimmy traded him. By the way,
it was the only good Cowboy player. So it's not

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like Jimmy had a bunch of guy. It was it,
and Jimmy's like, I'll trade my only good player. Cowboys
now have like seven great young players and one of
the top three offensive lines. It was also back then
a running back league, way more than now, where it's
a wide receiver, quarterback, offensive line league. Stop living in fear.
I'm not dealing with his nonsense every offseason. It's another

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judicial issue. Two years out, you're threatening to hold out
a camp. I'm done, bad judgment out, I'm done. I'm
not gonna be held hostage by it. Everybody in this
league tells me you gotta sign this. You gotta say no. No.
In the NBA, you gotta get Kahi Leonard. Okay, Yes.
In the NBA, you gotta get Anthony Davis. If you're
the Lakers, there are there are a lot in the NBA.

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There's about six you gotta haves. Golden State, you gotta
keep Steph and Clay. There's some gotta haves. Outside of
a handful of quarterbacks. In the NFL, there's not a
lot of gotta haves. JJ Watt was the best defensive
player in this league for about five years. His production
never equaled wins ob J next to Randy Moss, maybe
the most talented receiver in NFL history. His six biggest

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games are one in five. You gotta here's what you
gotta have in the NFL. You gotta have the confidence
in your coaching staff and the confidence in your system
that you don't gotta have anybody except a very good quarterback, which,
by the way, that's just rules. That's just the way
the rules are. The rules are now. If you have

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a good quarterback, he completes sixty seven percent, you win
a bunch of games. If you have a batter when
you don't make the playoffs, New England, Philadelphia never held
hostage by an individual running back, but they pay Carson
went and Tom Brady a bunch of money. Okay, this
is nonsense. Again, the NBA's got some got to haves,
NFL not many, and Zeke is not a got to have.

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And again I'll say this, Jimmy Johnson did this in
Dallas when it was more of a running back league,
when he didn't have anybody else, and it got a
lot of pushback, and you all said he was crazy.
And it is the singular reason the Cowboys dynasty was created.
I could give you a team to call, Call the
Houston Texans. Call the Houston Texans. Say you give us

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Lamar Miller and a couple of first round picks. You
have Zeke. Zeke's carries yards per carry will go down
at least a yard per game. Watch Houston Texans need
a running back. Cowboys bring in Lamar Miller. You know
he's a guy that averages three yards to carry. Behind
the Cowboy o line, he'll be three point eight to
four point one. Zeke averages four point five a carry,

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watches go down to three point five. There's no running
back in this league that can do it without help.
You can't run in a box with no players. The
Cowboy offensive line is one of the reasons Zeke is
getting these numbers. Now. Zeke is great, and I'm not
denying it, but his trade value will never be higher
than this morning. You really think sign him to a

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four year deal. There'll be no more judicial issues, no nonsense,
no bad judgment. You think in four years will be
better than today. If you want to sign him, you
better frontload the contract because these running backs hit a
cliff after about that six year of carrying the ball,
especially after they were big carry guys in college for
a couple of years. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.

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Go ahead, sign him, But you got a bunch of
great young players. They're all mature. You need all of them.
You got one great corner. He's young and talented and mature.
You better signed him. You have a pass rusher, Demac
or Lawrence, you signed him. You got two great linebackers.
I'd sign both. Watch the NFL right now. You need
speed at linebacker. You have the best linebacker. I want
to sign both. I got to resign one or two

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of those offensive linemen. I want to keep Amari Cooper.
I'm not giving up Dak. Well, you're gonna feed everybody
and a little secret on this. If you let Zeke go,
Dak plays without Zeke, Dak's numbers compress and I may
not have to pay him thirty five million. I may
get down to twenty seven. It sounds crazy, It sounds nuts.

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I'm gonna take a deep breath and just stewing my
brilliance for four seconds. All right, that's where I think
this morning coming up. Now, we have a great show today.
We got a lot of interesting football stuff. Did Aaron
Rodgers get hosed again by the critics of the NFL
game Madden? I don't think so, but we'll have thoughts
on that and the con job. Just because an organization

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tells you something, it's your job and my job, it's
actually my job. It's not your responsibility. It's mine to
see when they're bsing you. In Oklahoma City with Westbrook
was BS and you and it's coming out now, that's
coming up next. In Los Angeles, it's The Herd. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in
noon Easter nine a m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Organizations do it all
the time. It's nice to have you back in the Herd.
They say one thing, but they're doing another. Remember the
New York Giants. We did not sign Odell Beckham to
trade Odell Beckham. Why did guys like Jay Glazer keep
going on the air and saying they're going to trade him.

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Don't believe Gettelman, the Houston Rockets, Chris Paul and James
Harden get along great. These rumors are outrageous, and then
they traded him because they didn't get along. Folks, what
an organization is selling the masses sometimes is true and
a lot of times it's not. It's my job, not

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your responsibility, to figure out when there's a bunch of bs.
I've been saying for the last two to three years.
Everybody in Oklahoma City with half a brain knew that
Westbrook can't be your number one guy, you can't build
around him. You gotta get out of that contract. Well
we find out now Oklahoma City wanted to get out
of that contract. According to Kevin O'Connor at The Ringer,
very well sourced, smart guy that Sam Presty the GMA.

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Oklahoma City would not admit it, but he said a
rival executive, Sam's way too smart to not know the
team had reached its ceiling with Westbrook. The second point
is Kawai's recruitment gave OKC and out because the minute
Paula George said I want to go, you could trade
Westbrook then without all the backlash. Oklahoma City's a small town.

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They'd lost Harden, they lost Durant. It is very difficult
for the Memphiss. You know, you see this a lot
of times in all sports. The small market they get
their star. I mean, you can't criticize cam Newton and Charlotte,
but you can go to New York in LA and
Chicago and Dallas and dak Prescott gets ripped in Dallas.
They've got a hockey team, they've got an NBA team,

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they've got a baseball team, they've got major University. It's
a big, broad, sophisticated Dallas sports market. You can rip
a star. You can't rip Cam Newton despite his inconsistency
in Charlotte and Oksey is small and they put their
arms around Westbrook and they lost Katie and Harden. It
was like, don't take our guy. Everybody knew inside the building.
And I'll give you the reason why NBA fires coaches NonStop.

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I mean, good God, Dwayne Casey wins Coach of the
Year in Toronto's he got the trophy next door at Starbucks.
As he found out, he got fired. They fire everybody.
Yet Billy Donovan OKC can't win games in the first
round with the highest payroll or second highest payroll in
the league. And there's never been a rumor. You can't

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find a story. Billy Donovan's never in trouble. How is
that possible? How is Billy Donovan exempt from this vicious
NBA coaching cycle where competent people get run because of
bad owners and pressure. Billy Donovan can't win a first
round series. Hell, he can struggle to win a first
round game. It was never a rumor with the second

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highest payroll because the GM, the owner of the coach.
They all knew Westbrook's a talent. We got to move
off this contract. If he's our number one guy, now,
maybe he can be your number two in Houston, but
you can't win with your number one guy's Westbrook. And
he's difficult, and he's brutaled with a press, and he's rigid,
and he won't change any Billy Donovan never ever, ever

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has been in trouble, and he can't win games in
the first round of the second ninhest payroll. That's telling
you that the owner and the GM they're all in
on it. There are They all knew and this gave
him the out to move. And by the way, and
I've said this before, is I get small markets. You
know they couldn't criticize Westbrook because it's harder for small markets.

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I read a story this morning. Westbrook had so much
power in the organization. I gave it to him that
he was literally dictating terms on media policy. Oklahoma City
is the only team that wouldn't allow pregame interviews because
Westbrook didn't like him. Why, I mean, Miami didn't allow
d Wade to do that, and d Wade's got titles.
D wads a better player than Westbrook in his prime.
Why because it's Miami. A lot of people want to

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play in Miami, Aqua water Beach, no state tax, pat riley,
So Miami's never gonna hand the franchise to even d Wade, who,
next to Dan Marino, or maybe more than Dan Marino,
is the biggest star in anyone city in America. Seriously,
like Dan Marino and d Wade owned Miami in sports,
they didn't hand the franchise to d Wade. He wasn't
dictating policy. But Westbrook was dictating policy because Oklahoma City

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knows we don't get stars, just like Lebron in Cleveland.
You can see it. You can set the media policy.
I mean literally, Westbrook would often dictate according to a
story rather this morning when they flew in and out
of towns, like we're not going to stay the night
here in practice here, We're gonna go somewhere else. What
that's what Lebron did in Cleveland. Why because it's Cleveland
Westbrook did in Oklahoma City. Why because at Oklahoma City

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the Lakers love Lebron. They're not gonna let him totally
dictate the franchise. I mean, the Yankees love their star. Players.
It's the Yankees. The Cowboys love their star players. It's
the Cowboys, it's the Steelers, it's the Packers. You can't
dominate the team can't dominate the franchise. Westbrook was allowed
to do it, but they all knew the con inside
of the game, which was you can't win with him.
You can't win in the playoffs. He's exhausted by the
time of the playoffs come. Analytically, he doesn't work in

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the NBA today long term, and he's hard to play
with it times Houston. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't,
but it's not his city now, it's not his franchise,
said James Harden's franchise, and James Harden's better than Westbrook.
But this story with Presty is it's really funny where
they all knew the game. But what you're sold as
the public is many times the truth, but sometimes it's not.

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Getleman wanted out of O b J for two years.
They wanted out of that for two years. Chris Paul
and Harden, I know you think it's all fake news.
They didn't get along. That's why they moved them. They
ain't get along and away Westbrook. They knew what they
told you. They knew, and we're going to blast them publicly,

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but they knew. Joy the news. This is the herd
Line news. So the Lakers are coming off a obviously
disappointing season where expectations were initially pretty high, a little
higher once the season got started than we thought they
were going to be. But since they've added another star
in Anthony Davis and upgraded their supporting cast led by

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Danny Green, expectations or even higher. And GM Rob Polenka
reiterated that, saying, I think we took a lot of
what happened last year into account and kind of shaping
the roster and shaping our goals for the season. You
always have to learn and evolve and adapt as a
leader from the past. For us, anything short of a
championship is not success. So we have to learn from
last season because we didn't win a championship. Thank you,

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Rob Polenka. This is a quote I can get behind.
I cannot stand when organizations who clearly have championship aspirations
say things like, well, it's not a failure if we
don't win a championship. Yes, yes, it is a failure.
Championship if you are in a rebuilding year, and everyone
knows it. It's not a failure if you don't win

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a championship. In fact, you win a couple playoff rounds,
you can consider that to be a success because you're building.
Once you've built the machine, the machine should operate and
the goal of the NBA is to win an NBA championship.
So I have no problem with this statement. Did you
see the over under on the Lakers win total? Yes,
it's a little high. Didn't you think fifty one point

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five fifty two for the over right? They were thirty
seven and forty five last year. That's a lot of
That's quite an increase. West is way better. And do
you really think this roster with Frank Vogel is going
to click in a month or so? Now? I think
they're going to struggle as they often do, as lebron
teams often do at the beginning of the season. They
come out strong and then they have a couple of

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months and everyone freaks out, and because they should trade
everybody that makes a major move, and then after the
all start break, everything comes together. It's how it worked
when he's healthy. But I think that the I mean,
obviously Anthony Davis is going to account for more wins
in this situation, and I think Lebron being healthy is
what they're considered for the entire year, is what they're considering. Also,
I don't know, I don't know that I that it

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stuck out to me. Is that much of a staggering
number because of Anthony Davis and the assumption Lebron is
gonna be healthy. But these are the expectations when you
put this team together. The NFL, NBA overrunners came out yesterday,
bet the under un virtually all of them. You know,
the NBA has always been a story league, like it's
a narrative league. And like all the teams that made moves,

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their win totals fly. It's like Brooklyn doesn't have Durant yet,
slow down a little on the forty five, forty six
wins for Brooklyn. Durant's not playing Kyrie's brand new. They
got a budget they last year. Norman. It is the
East too, yeah, I guess. But outside of Toronto, Indiana
I think will be better. Philly's better, Milwaukee will be better.

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The East is not as terrible as everybody thinks. It's right, right,
some of these Tuoso about to considered the ender, so
a celebration was had held in Milwaukee on Sunday to
honor Jannis, their MVP. The second he came on stage,
the crowd was quick to serenade him with MVP chants,
and those are the saying that were echoed in the
arena all year long. But he was quick to flip
a script from the crowd asking them a kind of

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unusual favor after this day July fourteen, please please please
do me this favor so I can be better. I
can be a better player and I can leave this
into a championship. Please don't call me MVPs. Listen, listen, listen, listen.
Please after this day, don't call me MVP, because until

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until I win it again next year, Let's gonna get
the big trophy now. You can gotta love, be honest. Yeah,
not not much, not to like. He's just very humble.
I mean he's I think he's just trying to set
his own expectations for everything and manage that in his
own humility. But he had a credible season. He completely

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deserved the end. Did you see him in the batting
cage a Yankee Stadium? Yes? So great? Seven footers should
not take batting practice. Well, I mean, hitting a baseball
is harder than it looks. They made it look very easy.
I don't. I mean, obviously he's you know, not joking,
but like he's setting expectation very high to win a

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back to back MVP. He does have the highest odds
though initially right now, I actually think that I would
go with Kawhi Leonard as a very very very early
MVP prediction. Yeah, I'd probably say so, Yeah, it's become well,
it's become a very room it's become it's become a

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bit romanticize. Yes, not that they're not that it's not deserving,
it's it's definitely deserving. And I think a part of
the MVP. I'll give you one. I'll give you one.
I'll give you one. Okay, look at that list, Joy,
Jannis Curry, Harden, Leonard, James, Anthony Davis, Joel and b Luca.
I'll give you one. Who are we going to have
a little sympathy for this year? Of all those players

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on that list who just lost a great player, Steph Curry,
Steph Curry. Watch this. My only pushback on that is
that I do think there's a little bit of a
fatigue with the Warriors. So even though I think the
Warriors are gonna be a lot better than everyone thinks,
I think everyone is just completely discounting did Angelo Russell
move as just nonsense. I think it's bigger than people think.

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I do think they're gonna be good this year, and
I think Steph Curry's gonna have a great year. But
he's won two MVPs already, and I think everyone's just
kind of but the guys around him hardens one. Yannis
has one, Lebron's one, Kawhi hasn't. Yeah, but Kawhi takes
twenty games off. He takes time off, So we're all
gonna feel sorry for Steph Curry. And if he wins

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forty five, we're gonna go. It always was his team.
He's so vou That's what the awards became. It has.
But I just think there's a little fatigue with the Warriors.
I totally hear you, and I do think they're gonna
be better, but I might pick with you Kawhi. So finally,
Chris Paul is making a stopover in Oklahoma City. He
doesn't want to be a part of a rebuilding project
and wants to be traded again before the season starts,
But the Thunder are having a very hard time finding

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anyone to take the contract off his hands. According to
Steve Kyler, having talked with the few gms, there's almost
no appetite for the final year of CP three steal.
My understanding is the Thunder may have to shovel over
several picks to get a team to look at the
cap hit today. I think he starts the season in OKC. Now,
the Heat remained to be his preference, but according to
Brian Winhorse, when you talk about him potentially going to

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Miami Heat, which is his preference. One thing I've been
told in the talks the fact that the Thunder holds
the two of the Heat's first round picks in the future,
unprotected twenty twenty one and protected twenty twenty three makes
this difficult conversation because the Heat want those picks back.
So I do think those teams have a lot to
talk about. The contract is rough, particularly the forty four

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million dollar player option in twenty one, so he's expensive,
hard to play with, and hurt. That's why I said
Westbrooks contract expensive, hard to play with, prime I can
and if not prime, close to it prime. And also,
like you were just saying earlier, there comes a time
in a situation where it's just you've just reached it,

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like this is just what you guys are together, and
you're not going to go past that. The player may
be great, the coach may be good, it's just not
going to move past this spot for whatever personal reasons
or whatever it is. It's not all one person's fault.
There were trades that were made. They had Kevin Durant,
James Harden, and Russell Westbrook all on the same team
at one time. Remember that they went to the finals together. Like,

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everything is not one person's fault. Sometimes you just reached
that point. So that's what it is. And that's what
it was with Chris Paul too, Like you guys have
reached the point that there's no there's nowhere to go
from here. No way I would take Chris Paul's contract.
The Philadelphia is the only landing spot for me. I
don't A young team doesn't want him, I know. I
mean again, I can deal with some injuries, I can

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deal with expensive but I got three different times he's
gone to a team and didn't get along with anybody,
And he didn't get along with stars, Well Simmons and
em Beater stars maybe not Chris Paul Well, and I
think embat is so Chris Paul's thing is he didn't
get along with star players, Like I'm sorry. At some
point when you w went to Houston, that's James's team
in city and offense. It was up to Chris Paul

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to get along in that marriage. It was up to
Chris Paul, not James Harden, to acquiesced to Chris Paul. Right,
Hardens Harden's a better player by far. Yes, And it's
gonna be that situation with Houston now and Russell west
Wipson after Jot suddenly differences everything I just said, like
it had run its course in Okasee and now is
an opportunity for Westbrooks and move forward and Hardens and

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move forward and Chris Paul and Thunder are gonna have
to figure it out. Joy with the news, Well, that's
the news, and thanks for stopping by. By the way,
I see these Madden twenty quarterback ratings. They came out yesterday.
I don't play Madden, but you know have friends who have,
and Aaron Rodgers they did the twenty quarterback ratings, and

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Aaron Rodgers was, you know, like he wasn't number one
or number two, and everybody freaked out. Aaron Rodgers was
thirteenth in passer rating last year and thirteenth in touchdown passes,
and he's thirty five in brittle. Look what with a
with a very good offensive line. He was thirteenth in
passer rating, thirteenth in touchdown passes, and he's hard to
coach and increasingly brittle. Can we move off the Aaron

(26:20):
Rodgers is always getting hose thing. Let's let's move off that.
I just don't buy that. So here's the mad in
NFL twenty Mahomes ninety seven, Brady ninety six, Philip ninety four,
Breeze ninety two, Luck ninety two, was Wilson ninety one,
Aaron Rodgers ninety and everybody's freaking out. That's about where
he's at right now. He's an old thirty five. He's

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a stubborn thirty five. He's an increasingly brittle thirty five.
He's already said publicly, I mean this is a guy
that struggles with some players, with some coaches, with some
family members. This is where Aaron's at I. I was
telling the staff this morning. You're the GM. I'm not
looking for you fanboys. You're the general manager, and you
make three and a half million dollars a year, which
you'll never make, but less pretend. So it's three and

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a half million dollars. You're the GM of a franchise
and you have to name the court, the quarterbacks you're
gonna build around, and you're gonna consider four things. What's
their age, what's their injury history, what's their talent, and
do they have the appropriate leadership qualities. That's why Baker
wouldn't be on the top of my list Baker Mayfield,
So age, injury, talent, leadership. Number one is Mahomes. Number

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two to me's Russell Wilson. Number three to me is
Andrew Luck. I am worried about his injury, but I
do think he got over it last year. I don't
even have a fourth now. I love Carson Wentz, but
I gotta see him make it through a season. If
you were a GM today and you're building, you're building
your franchise, and you've got to consider age, talent, leadership,

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and injury. Aaron Rodgers is not one of those three
he's thirty five years old. He can't stay healthy. Mahomes
is not rigid, Russell Wilson's not stubborn, Andrew luck is
totally coachable. Those are my three guys. Then you get
into a group of old guys who can win now,
Ben Breeze, Brady fill Up, Aaron or young guys. You

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cross your fingers on. You know, Deshaun Watson, will he
keep growing? I like Sam Darnold more than Baker because
I like the leadership qualities. But but if you're if
you're tied, it's passed for Aaron. That doesn't mean Aaron
can't win another Super Bowl. But let's put this in
some context. Aaron Rodgers the last time he won a
Super Bowl. Carson Palmer was a Cincinnati Bengal. Peyton Manning

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was a cult Brett Farve was playing. It's been a
long long time and much like Brett, he's aging. Like
Brett Farve, difficult to coach, kind of doing it his way.
Super talented, great arm, you know, not easy for everybody

(28:51):
to get along with. If you started your franchise today
and you had all the considerations, Mahomes, Russell and Andrew Lucker.
My guys and I paused because of the injuries, but
it did look like last year to me. And he
also he plays in a dome. Frank Reich is now
the coach. They're getting rid of the ball to their
tight ends quickly. He's got a running game. Luck has

(29:13):
the best offensive line, young offensive line in the game.
So I'll roll the dice on Luck because I think
their offensive line, their general manager. They're running game and
they're tight ends. He gets rid of it. He didn't
get hit nearly as much last year. I think I
do Carson Wentz four, but he likes to run around
and he likes dad live like Aaron Rodgers. And I

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gotta see Carson Wentz get through a season. But we've
got this constant Aaron Rodgers. He's getting hosed. No, he's not.
If you're building it, if you're building a franchise today,
thirteenth and passer touchdowns thirteenth and passer rating tougher to
coach that this is what it is. This is the
real NFL. And I'm you know you're anti you know

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Colin You're you're anti Aaron Rodgers. You think I'm antri
pat Patrick Mahomes. Any percent of you think I'm an
anti Patrick Mahomes. He'd be the number one guy in
the league for me. Do you think I don't like
Patrick Mahomes. If I had to do it today, I'd
take Patrick. He's like I don't got any injuries. I
think he's incredibly coachable. I think he's an absurd talent,
and I think he's kind of he's he's got leadership qualities,

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he's got an et quality, and he's He's not immature
to me. He's an adult. He's just a young kid,
and you got to allow kids to be kids. Now.
Zeke's a kid but gets me in trouble. Baker's a kid,
but that's stuff I hate. Patrick's a kid sometimes a little,
a little fun, little flighty, but I like him. But
you're not putting Aaron in the top three. He's in
the group of old guys who can win now. But

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I'm not building my future around him. Lucky, he's Tom
Brady's been hurt once, Aaron's hurt every other year. I'm
building a few head that the Madden game's right on target.
That's about where he is. He's slightly He's a slight
upgrade of Matt Ryan when you consider everything. Matt Ryan
doesn't get hurt Aaron does. Matt Ryan's easier to coach
than Aaron. Matt Ryan can play with it in a system.

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I don't think this is and I think I look
at that Madden twenty Mahomes, Brady, Rivers, Breeze, Luck Russell, Rogers,
Matt Ben I think they got came a little high.
I think they got wins a little low. It's mostly accurate.
Okay Brussard disagrees with me. Albert Brear Next hour, t J.

(31:19):
Hushman's out of two were packed, and Golden Tate said
something yesterday that is absolutely ridiculous. That's coming up. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Herd week dayson
noon Easter nine am Pacific. Welcome back. So I see
that article this morning by Kevin O'Connor at the Ringer
Very Good Rider where he comes out and says, once
Paul George said get me out of here, it gave
Oklahoma City an out to get out of Westbrooks contract

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and Billy Donovan couldn't win games in the first round.
But Billy Donovan's never been rumored to be fired because
I believe the GM, the coach and everybody was all
in knowing Westbrook's a great talent, you can't win long
term with him. Analytically, he doesn't work, He's hard to
play with Chris Brussard via the Coward Global Satellite Network
in New York joining us Broussard, I hear you disagree.

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You believe that Oklahoma City really thought with Westbrook they
were gonna win a championship. And my takeaway is then
why is why is their head coach Billy Donovan with
the second biggest payroll in the sport never in trouble,
Never you can't win playoff games. And my takeaway as
they know they couldn't win big with Westbrook. Well, they

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may not have thought they were gonna win a championship
with Westbrook, but they certainly thought they'd be in contention. Remember,
for the most part, Sam Presty has only known one
thing as the gym in Oklahoma City title contention. It's
been that way forever and as far as the coach. Remember,
they look how long they went with Scott Brooks Durant

(32:45):
and people were bothered that Brooks wouldn't talk to Westbrook
and coach up Westbrook to give up the ball. Layton
games and things like that, and they stuck with Scotty
Brooks maybe longer than they should have. I agreed. Presty
is a about stability. Presty is about consistent consistency, and
that's one reason that Billy Donovan has such a long

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lease show. I think the look Presty knew with just
Paul George and Westbrook that might not be a team
that last year was gonna lead you to a championship,
but it was a contender, and with some additions and
tweaks here and there, I think he did believe they
could get close to a championship, if not a championship.

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And the article you mentioned it was a great article.
He said it was like his dog died. It's also
because of what Westbrook meant to that city. Remember Colin,
he saved that franchise when Kevin Durant left. If Westbrook
had demanded a trader, not signed that extension and wanted
out as well, they would have been that franchise would

(33:51):
have fallen or apart. And so Presty knew once George
wanted out, he knew Westbrook was next. And I think
that was a big part of why he felt that
way were you shocked at all by the control Westbrook
had in the organization, from basically mostly banning pregame interviews
to telling the team when they could travel and not.

(34:12):
It was very Lebron in Cleveland that Westbrook essentially would
tell the GM, would tell the coach, would tell the
roster when we're doing things when we're not. Were you
shocked by the level of control he had either accumulated
or demanded in that city. Well, Russ is a very
strong personality. You know, he doesn't talk a ton. He's

(34:34):
not like Lebron, as chatty as Lebron, but he is
clearly a very strong personality. He's in Alpha and as
great as GM Miss Sam Presty is. He's not confrontational
with players, Billy Donovan, Scotty Brooks not confrontational with players.
So I can definitely see how a Westbrook could really

(34:54):
take control of that franchise the way he did. I
didn't know those details, but knowing his personality and knowing
the personality if some of the leaders in Oklahoma City,
it does not surprise me. Ben Simmons got an extension.
All I'm reading is it's a terrible deal. You know,
I like Simmons, But I do think he is going

(35:16):
to struggle in terms of numbers you would expect for
that contract going forward, because I think Philadelphia's messed up
the rebuild, which is too many bigs. Simmons needs to
score at the rim. The middle is going to be
crowded with Horford and Embiid. They even drafted another big
who can't shoot. I don't like the architecture of the roster,

(35:39):
although I think it's wildly talented. What do you make
of simmons contract, which most believe is a lot of
money for a mostly unproven guy. No, I like it. Look,
I thought it was a no brainer to max out
Ben Simmons. Now. He does obviously have a lot of
work to do, first, of course, and foremost on his
jump shot, but there are other things. The reason I

(36:02):
don't mind it is because he's tradeable. I believe, okay,
even though he can't shoot. If he and you mentioned
it with the bigs, a team may look at Ben
Simmons and say, look, if I don't have bigs like that,
if this doesn't work out in Philly, if I don't
have bigs like that, I can have Ben Simmons running
my team. And penetrate in the lane and doing damage

(36:24):
that way. So I don't mind it, but there are
concerns in this college. I have to see more evidence
that Ben Simmons loves basketball, okay, because there is evidence
and we've seen it throughout the history of the league.
Sometimes when a guy gets at max money, he doesn't
improve and doesn't really that's because he doesn't love the

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game and he never reaches in potential. Here are a
few things that make me wonder about Simmons. Number one,
he didn't have a max contract. Number Two, he hasn't
won big and he still wasn't working hard enough on
his game. He still wasn't improving that jump shot. So
now that he's hass money, will he work to improve?

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And he's not in the Linzo ball category that extreme,
but there are too many nights when he just doesn't
bring it when his motor is low. He can override
his lack of a jump shot to some degree if
he plays more aggressive and forces the action more because
he'll draw he'll draw attention, and he can pick apart

(37:29):
the defense by passing the open teammates, or he can
score over guys because he's six ten. So I need
to see a little more evidence that he loves the game.
But I think this was the right thing to do,
and you just watch it. I heard you mentioned Chris Paul.
I mentioned Chris Paul last week on the show. I
wouldn't do that deal now, but I would watch watch

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have it in the back of my mind. Watch how
Chris Paul plays in Oklahoma City or wherever he goes,
and watch how Simmons plays, improves and his chemistry within
on the court. By the way, the over unders came
out Clippers fifty five and a half wins. I'm not
sure if you have insight on this or not. Kawhi
has acknowledged load management helped him be healthy by the

(38:12):
end of the year. Do we have an understanding now
Clippers are not winning fifty five games if Kawhi takes
twenty off or fifteen off. Has there been a discussion
about Kawhi Leonard doing more load management? By the way,
Paul George does a lot of what he does, so
you could certainly see Kawhi taking fifteen twenty games off.
Do we know how many he's gonna play? No, we don't.

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And you wondered the load management remember last year not
only did he sit out the twenty two games, not
only was he a bit banged up in the playoffs,
although he obviously he played through it, but he really
wanted He insisted on playing with the second star wherever
he was gonna go. That's why many people in the
league still think had he had the Clippers not gotten

(38:56):
Paul George, he would have gone to the Lakers because
he really wanted that second start. So that shows you
how important it is for him and how taxing last
season was even with the load management. So yeah, I
would expect some load management. But here's the thing, Colin,
that Clippers team won forty eight games last year without
a star. Paul George will be playing when Kawhi is

(39:20):
on load management, and remember Toronto win seventeen and five.
I believe with Paul George sitting out, with Kawhi sitting
out last year, so I think the Clippers will be
able to win games even when Kawhi sits out. I
don't think it'll be as high as twenty two games,
but we'll have to wait and see on that. Chris Bruce,

(39:42):
are good talking to you, a bud? All right, Colin?
You bet our three issues today? A lot of NFL
today golden take calls. Matthew Stafford, not Russell Wilson, the
best quarterback he's played with all address that NFL dot
You know, I don't like to pick on writers, but
NFL dot com released a best Coaches in the League

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list that is I disagree with. It's just incredible. You know,
years ago, I used to take I should say this,
I used to take phone calls. Look, I was a
radio host and you've been in radio, yes, And then
over the course of time, I took less and less
and less and less and less phone calls. And one
of the reasons wash And there were several reasons. One
of them was I wasn't learning anything from calls. I

(40:25):
was learning stuff from guests. I was I want to
learn stuff and I want to teach, you know, I
want the I want people to turn onto my show
and learn things. And with callers, they were telling me
what I already knew, or they were being reactive, and
I want more proactive. I want you to tell me
something I don't know or something I've never thought about.
Give me your theory, your belief, give me a gem.

(40:46):
I don't expect you to be Jay Glazer but tell
me something maybe I've never thought about, and callers just
wanted to talk about stuff you could see. You know,
it was on the television screen. And I'll give you
an example of that. At there's something out there that's
obvious in the media if nobody else should see it
in the NFL. Next one more Heard. The Herd streams

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(41:31):
and FS one. Joy Taylor is joining me. So utter
disrespect today. Joy. Now, I've always I've always believed this
that because I'm from the Pacific Northwest. Yes, I try
to not be a homer because I think people think
tend to think, oh, you're a homer. I live in

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Los Angeles now and I get oho, you're a homer. Well,
no Vegas has the Lakers and the Clippers as the
top two NBA teams. That's not my opinion. And the
Rams didn't get to the Super Bowl. Although all year
I was very critical of the Rams, so I don't
think I'm a homer. I think the Houston Astros will
win the National League, not the Dodgers. I think they
have more good players and they have more experience. Dodgers

(42:12):
are young and talented. So I try not to be
an LA homer. It's just right now. The Dodgers are good,
the Clippers are good, the Lakers are good. You know,
the LA team's LAFC. I have season tickets to everybody's.
A lot of teams are winning in Los Angeles and
in Seattle. The Seahawks have been great. But I try
not to be a Homer. In fact, I probably go
overboard in not embracing the team in the areas I'm
from because I don't. I just I always pushed back

(42:34):
on that. I always try to give the East Coast
and the Midwest teams a little bit more love. Just
like I said a couple of minutes ago, if I
had to build an NFL franchise, I'd take Mahomes and
Andrew luck two, my three Midwest guys. People would disagree,
but I do feel like I pushed back on the
Seattle homer thing sometimes. But Russell Wilson's the exception, because
I grew up a Seattle Seahawk fan, and we were
mostly fun and irrelevant my entire life. And then Pete

(42:58):
Carroll came and we were still mostly fun and irrelevance
seven to nine, seven and nine, and then Russell Wilson
arrived and everything changed. And suddenly Pete Carroll's the best
coach ever, and Marshawn Lynch is the best running back ever,
and Richard Sherman's the best player ever. And now no, now,
Russell Wilson arrived. And by the way, Russell Soul Wilson
was there last year, and a lot of the other

(43:20):
players have all left. Marshawn Lynch has laughed at and
Richard Sherman laughed, and all the players at Camp Chancellor laugh.
Everybody laugh. Oh see, I'll had of winning records still, Okay.
It's like it's like Steph Curry. It's like Steph Curry.
Steph Curry doesn't get any respect from players because this
is the way it works in pro sports. Cool is

(43:40):
a commodity, of course, not in real life. Smart is
grown up, is dependable is But in sports among players,
Westbrook's more popular than Steph Curry. Steph Curry's not cool.
Steph Curry's quiet, and he's religious, and he's a family guy,
and he wears like pharmaceutical shoes. And Russell Wilson's were
just and quiet and not loud, and so Steph Curry

(44:04):
and Russell Wilson, they're also a little smaller, distinct and unique.
They don't get respect from players. So yesterday as a
prime example, Golden Tate, who entered the league with the Seahawks,
then he went to the Lions, and now he's a
New York Giant. He was Philadelphia for an hour, so
he's bounced around a little bit. Total shot at Russell
Wilson saying his former Lions quarterback is way better to

(44:26):
me as of now where I am today. I think
Stafford has been the best quarterback I play with over
his career. If you put them in another organization, maybe
things are different. You know. I don't know, because I've
played with some guys over my years that I've won
playoff games with that I don't think are as good.
That's funny. That would be Russell Wilson. If you put

(44:48):
Matt Stafford in a different organization, No, that's not the
way it works. Golden that's not a golden take. This
is not a debate. It's a hill. You're gonna die
on a loan. Okay, let me tell you it works
when you're great. You make the organization. Carson Palmer made
the Bengals get to the playoffs. Andy Dalton can't same

(45:09):
organization Seattle at all? Sorts of quarterbacks who could play?
Russell Wilson won a Super Bowl. This idea, well, it's
the Lions. By the way, the Packers were dog meat
before Brett fav got there. They were twenty five years
of a nothing burger and Brett Farve got there and
made the organization. What were the Cults before Peyton Manning?

(45:30):
Don't give me this hole? Well, I mean if you
put Stafford over, what were the Seahawks before Russell Wilson
A bunch of nothing? I was there. Let's let's this
is not a debate who's better. It's a shot at
Russell Wilson. Let's look at some numbers, you know, data
and stuff. Passer rating not close, Wilson losing season, Stafford six.

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Russell never had one touchdown, interceptions, Stafford's got twice the interceptions,
twice the losses. And that's Russell being in a division
where teams get to the super Bowl in his division.
San Francisco got to a super Bowl in his division,
Arizona got to the NFC Championship in his division. The
Rams got to a super Bowl in his division. That's
not an easy division. So this is not a debate.

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And the idea that if you put and I like Stafford,
I think he's crazy talented. But if you put Stafford
in the better organization, no no, no, no, no, no,
no no. What were the Packers for twenty five years
before Brett fav got there? What were the Seahawks before
Russell Wilson got there? They made the organization? What were
the Colts before Peyton Manning? By the way, Denver at

(46:34):
John Elway, Denver lost John Elway? They were only I
mean they haven't been special mostly since he left, except
for the year they got Peyton Manning. Okay, so don't
tell me if you put Matt in a difference situation. No, no, no,
Matt has not been good enough to this point to
elevate the organization, which is what the transformative guys do.
This idea of Seattle was just a great organization, and

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Russell Wilson's just a little bit of a stop. That's
this is not a debate that this is playoff wins
Russell Wilson eight, Stafford nonne okay, not a debate, all right,
And by the way, not picking on Matt Stafford because
Golden Tape brought this up. Matt Stafford would probably tell
you if you asked him, Yeah, Russell has a better career.

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I think Matt Stafford would tell you that. So I saw,
I'm not gonna pick on the writer on this story.
NFL dot com they list the best coaches in the NFL. Now,
there's a bunch of new coaches, like six seven new coaches.
They don't rank any of those, so they only rank
twenty six coaches. These are guys who coach last year
in the league. They're not counting the new guys, right,

(47:39):
Guys who have never been a head coach in the NFL.
That's the guys they're not counting. So they list the
twenty six coaches in order in the NFL, and most
of the stuff at the top, we all know who
it is. Belichick, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, Sean McVay, Hardball,
Anthony Lynn, Tomlin. Yeah, I'm not gonna you know, that's
that's fine to have Andy Reid number two behind Belichick,

(48:02):
Pete Carroll maybe third or fourth, But that's that's fine
they got. I think they have a couple of guys
too high, too low. Now, I will say this. They
have John Gruden at fifteenth. That's being very generous. They've
got Doug Morone for the Jaguars at eighteenth. That is
beyond generous. He's an offensive coach and the offense is
always unwatchable. They've also got Bruce Arians at sixteen. Nice guy,

(48:23):
but he stopped working in Arizona and used to brag
he was home by five thirty to have a cocktail
with his wife. That's not the fifteen sixteenth best coaches
in the NFL. But here's why I stopped taking calls
in sports radio. One of the reasons. Nobody was teaching
me anything. Tell me something I don't know, give me
an idea I've never thought of. Feed nutrients to my audience.
Caller stopped doing that. They just repeated stuff I'd said

(48:46):
or told me stuff I could already see on television.
And my job's to find stuff nobody's talking about. But
it's not really a fan's responsibility. It's mostly a media's
job to do that. That's our job twenty four to seven.
We're in media. So when the NFL dot Com comes
out and puts Kyle Shanahan at twenty third, what are
you doing? So let me tell you. NFL dot Com

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writer Shanahan has a doppelganger in this league. It's called Belichick.
Belichick was a great coordinator everywhere he went, legendary. Everywhere
he went, teams got better, went to Cleveland, won some games,
but couldn't win consistently because he couldn't get the great quarterback.

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If I'd have told you when Belichick was in Cleveland,
this is the next great, next great head coach in
the league, you'd have scoffed at it. But if you'd
done any homework with Belichick, you'd have known. He actually
did an incredible job in Cleveland for what he had,
and he was the best coordinator in the league, and
every time he interviewed. That's why he got a job
after Cleveland so quickly. That's why I had multiple jobs.

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He turned down the Jets job. Kyle Shanahan has an
incredible career as a coordinator, everywhere he's gone. He made
Matt shab a pro bowler. Everywhere he's got, he made
Matt Ryan an MVP. Then he leaves. The teams aren't
the same, the quarterbacks aren't the same. Anybody can tell me.
Sean Payton's good, tell me something we haven't seen yet.

(50:09):
I'm gonna give you some data. And this is my
job to do this on Kyle Shanahan. So since he's
been in San Francisco, here's the quarterback attempts. C. J.
Beathard's thrown four hundred balls, Nick Mullins two seventy five,
Brian Hoyer two five, Jimmy g Only two sixty seven.
Those are the quarterbacks he's dealt with. The team health

(50:30):
has been twenty nine and twenty third, meaning his teams
can't stay healthy. The schedule the seventh toughest and the
fifteenth toughest in a division with Seattle and the Rams
both really good. Kyle Shanahan when he has had Jimmy
Garoppolo a legitimate franchise quarterback, is six and two. That's
six and two as he's rebuild with a tougher than

(50:51):
average schedule with a team that can't stay healthy and
a bad defense, which you can't blame him for that
because he's not drafting the players. Their secondary's atrocious. So
if you look at him when he's actually had a
quarterback that's considered a franchise quarterback, four hundred yards a game,
ninety three passer rating, they win by over a field goal,

(51:12):
twenty seven points a game, six and two. This is
Belichick before he got a franchise quarterback. I know Andy
Read can coach. I know Sean Payton can coach. I
know Pete Carroll can coach. I know Bill Belichick's great.
Anybody can say that. Find me stuff. Because Shanahan, if

(51:33):
you do a little digging, to put him twenty third
in the league is absurd. My contention, in two years
you'll put him in the top six. And I've said
this before. Mcvay's got the high cheekbones and is way
better with the media. So we all love Sean McVay
and I like him too. I think Shanahan is a
better coach, not by a ton, because I think McVay

(51:55):
is great, but McVeagh is very friendly with the media,
very handsome, ton of energy. It's the Los Angeles market
and mcvay's and he's good. Mcvay's really, really good. But
you watch that Super Bowl, that was a coaching clinic.
The best Rams coach was Wade Phillips, not Sean McVay.
McVeigh was the third best coach in that football game.
Shanahan is a great coach, but you have to dig

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a little. Team's not healthy schedules, brutal doesn't have a
quarterback rebuilding? How bad was this team when he took
him over? How bad were the Niners? Jess Waite Jess
Waite six and two with Jimmy g all Right, I
got a lot of energy today. See when you drink
a red Bull right out of the shot, see him
off coffee. Now I'm done. I'm done going to coffee shops.

(52:37):
So what's the alternative that to have energy for the show?
See drink a red Bull every day? Thinking about it?
You know what, there's no red Bull stores. I don't
have to deal with the nonsense and I don't get overcharged.
If you missed yesterday's show, I changed my life a
little breaking news on yesterday's show. I will never go
to a coffee shop again. Well that's your proclamation, right.

(52:58):
We have some wagers on whether or not you're gonna
stick with that two, he says, at last till Thursday.
You gave me a month and a half, and what
did you give me, Goulet, I just made fun of
how the stock of Starbucks didn't go down. I'm gonna
give you. I'm gonna give you until NFL season starts,
because I told what, I think you're gonna come in
after a Monday or a Thursday night game and just

(53:18):
go like, oh God, I need coffee. Was he not
drinking coffee at all? No? No, I'll drink coffee at home.
I made myself a coffee at home yesterday. We have
like a pot in the back there. That's right, you'll folders.
That's all I'm doing now. Okay, so you'll drink that coffee. Yeah,
but I'm not going to these coffee houses and paying
eight bucks for two small coffees. I'm done with it.
How do you feel one day in though, like it's
been one day, do you already feel like you need

(53:39):
the urge to get there? Had a little withdrawal. I'm
not gonna lie. I came in this morning in a
crappy mood. You guys were all on the meeting you
Joy what you weren't there yet? The two guys were there.
What was my first question? Where's the coffee? Yeah? So
I'm not saying it's easy, but nothing's easy. Hey, Superman
saving cities, it's not easy. He's gotta fly around. I

(54:00):
mean the abundance of the coffee shops around trying to
make it easy. I want you to get the coffee.
I'm just an ordered ahead on your app. Just walk
in and get it. No, no's new me. Red Bull
gonna be a little hyper for the next eight years.
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(54:43):
maybe two. This has the makings of it, a legendary
sort of Roberto durand Sugar Ray Leonard level fighter, like
an iconic twelve years of greatness. This could be his
last fight. He fights a young twenty nine and oh undefeated.
Heath Thurman that this will be the best fight of
the summer and probably the best fight of the year.

(55:07):
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all the fees before you get there. So the overunders
came out in the NBA, and we've always known this.
This is not a criticism of the NBA. It's a reality.
It's the story league. We watch football in America. We
talk about the NBA, and I'm a talk show host,
so I like talking about it. It's soap operas, it's divas.

(55:29):
I don't watch a lot of NBA regular season basketball
and its entirety. I watch highlights, I watch bits and
pieces of games. But I watch all NFL games, all
of them. I'll watch every Dolphin game this year. I'll
watch every Titan game this year. We watch football in America.
The ratings prove that. But we talk about the NBA
and I'm a talk show host, so I do a lot,
but I do think sometimes narratives carry the league more

(55:50):
than reality. So the over underwin totals came out yesterday
and all these teams that like added people, they're just
their numbers flew through the roof, and you forget that
Kem Street is a real thing in the NBA, and
also veteran players and stars. You know they're they're gonna
take nights off. It's it's the idea that you're gonna
improve seven eight, nine wins. In the West. I don't

(56:12):
know anybody that's improving that much. It's just too thick.
And by the way, the Eastern Conference isn't terrible either.
Toronto was seventeen and five last year without Kawai. Philadelphia
is probably better, Boston better, chemistry, probably better. Milwaukee. I
think I don't know if Milwaukee's quite as good, but
they're young, players are getting better, so they'll be good.
So those those four teams I know are good in

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the East, Toronto, Milwaukee, oh Indiana, Indiana is a real team.
Victor Oladibo comes back, so they'll be like a forty seven,
forty eight win team. I have five good teams in
the East. I think I have eight good teams in
the West. Most half of the league now is viable.
So the overrunners come out yesterday. And this is what's funny.
So Portland now is a forty four win team. They
got to the Western Conference finals, but because they only

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added Hassan Whiteside, they're no good. They only have forty
four wins. Brooklyn now has got forty five and a half.
How's that work? They're best player left DeAngelo Russell. The
second best player this morning on the Brooklyn Nets is
Spencer Dinwiddie. The third best player is Jared Allen, who's

(57:18):
playing in the Summer league. And they're better than Portland. Well,
the West the East Again, the East has five good
teams at the top. Let's not make this the Mountain
West Football Conference against the SEC. The West is better
and thicker, but there's some bad teams in the West.
I mean, Phoenix is in the West, and Memphis is
in the West, and Minnesota and Sacramento are not great

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teams in there in the West. And you know, I'm
looking at all these over unders, I'm betting the under
on all of them. I did the only over I
saw Golden State, which has now been reduced to a
forty seven win team when they're gonna get Clay Thompson
back in probably late January, and I'm gonna get Clay

(58:00):
and Steph and Draymond and Looney and D'Angelo Russell and
Steve Kerr and at great GM And I think they're
pretty good by the way, I Joy and I both
believe de'angelo Russell he'll work the level he will work.
I don't know, but this idea that he's gonna go
to Golden State and just be reduced to this pile
of basketball rubble. He's twenty three, he's talented, he's a playmaker.

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Steff works with everybody. Steff works with quiet guys. He
worked with KD, he works with Crazy Draymond, he works,
He works with everybody. So D'Angelo is gonna work. So
I would say I would take the over on Golden
State at forty seven. I think they're closer to fifty
win team. I like Utah at fifty two and a
half wins in this league, folks, that's a lot of wins.
That's a lot of roadwins. That is a lot of

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roadwins in the NBA. And I think the West is
better than ever so I'm selling everybody. I'm gonna go
today online and bet the under on everybody except Golden
State in Portland. I'll bet the overs. Joy with the news. No, no,
this is the herd line news. You know we love
an anonymous GM quote. Oh I do, yes, Well, Clay

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Thompson is staying in the Bay. He and the Warriors
agreed to a five year, one hundred and ninety million
dollar max contract, but apparently some MBA personnel were left
wondering if he warranted it. According to our own Rick Buker,
minority owners with the Warriors floated the idea of seeing
if Thompson might give the team a hometown discount, but

(59:28):
abandoned it over fear he jumped to the Clippers or
the Lakers. His media shyness and stoic locker room presence
also leave a few MAX salary boxes unchecked. Quote. He's
a good player, but he's not a leader a Western conference.
GM says he just shows up and hoops. I don't
see that as a criticism. He's the best number two

(59:49):
player arguably since Scottie Pippen. Like, I don't understand that.
What's the like? I don't understand that I don't. I
don't understand how this well. First of all, the idea
of that Clay Thompson would take a hometown discount for
the Warriors is really laughable and it's it's remarkably, astoundingly
baron of self awareness. It's the third best two way
player in the league after Kawhi and Paul George Banners.

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Are you hanging without him? I mean the absolutely not.
Is he taking a hometown discount for what? Does everybody
have to be? Now? I want my quarterback to have
leadership qualities, no question. If you don't have my up
drafting you, but do I couldn't I make the argument
joy that if I have a Lebron a Magic, a
Michael A Kobe, I kind of like my two guy

(01:00:34):
being a little Pippin, I don't want Charles Barkley and
Jordan they would, but have you can't have too much
of the same thing. So yes, absolutely, that's not saying
he's not a great teammate, that he's not a great player.
And don't you sometimes just want a few great guys
that just come and show up and hoop, that are
no drama and aren't trying to be the star of

(01:00:54):
the situation. Don't need all the credit. It's it's the
perfect formula. It's it's perfect. Don't what do you always say,
don't time be happier than happy? Like, you can't ask
for a better situation than that. What do you mean
he's not a leader? You can make the argument. I
think I've made this argument. For as great as Lebron is,
you could probably argue there's teams that he wouldn't be

(01:01:16):
a perfect fit with now because the way you know
Lebron's offense is pretty much whatever Lebron does that becomes
your offense. There's a lot of teams he wouldn't be
He doesn't move without the ball, so like in Golden
State with Stephan clan Durant, he would not have been
a good fit. Clay Thompson I have argued this is
the only player in the league that includes Harden, who
fits on every team in the NBA. Everybody needs a

(01:01:41):
two guard who doesn't need the ball, he's not ball centric,
who plays hard on both ends and by the way,
hoops home family out. Yeah, it's it's a remarkable comment. Well,
sticking with that article from Refuker, who I was widely
regarded as one of the best two way players in
the league. He signed a three year, one hundred and
three million dollar deal with the Clippers, which makes him

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eligible and two years for a SuperMac salary. Well, what
do anonymous front office execs think about Kawai? Well, one
Webstern conference general manager stop short of describing him as
a leader because of his sphinx like demeanor and his
limited playmaking ability. There's not a question right there, But
I'm reading that with a question because it's weird. Kawai

(01:02:23):
is great at getting his but he doesn't elevate anyone.
The GM says, he doesn't rally his team. He's not
a great passer, though he's gotten better. That was the
big knock on him five years in, Like he didn't pass,
so that like Patrick Ewing was great, but the knock
was always you give it to Patrick and the offense
is done with right. So I mean, if if the
playmaking ability comment is related to him being a great passer,

(01:02:44):
then somewhat understandable that said Kawhi is not a vocal leader.
He isn't. That's that's a fair criticism. Kyle Lowry was
the vocal leader in Toronto through the championship run, which
makes sense because he's still there. He was there before
or Kawai and he's still there now. It was a
one year deal and it worked out perfectly. Like we

(01:03:05):
were just discussing with Klay Thompson, everybody doesn't have to
be the vocal leader. Just because you are the best
player on the team doesn't mean you need to check
all these random and tangible boxes that He doesn't have
to be the guy that's out there. As if Kawhi
is going to be the face of the Clippers next year,
for sure, he's not going to be the voice of
the Clippers, right, which is part of the reason why
he probably picks the Clippers because the Clippers fit his

(01:03:26):
personality perfectly. I don't look at the Clippers like who's
going to be the guy? We know Kawhi is going
to be the guy, But I don't need to hear
from anyone from the Clippers. Be honest with you, Doc
Rivers is the voice that that's Doc Rivers is the
voice of the Clippers. Doc likes that role. Doc's very
media sabbath. It suits him. Some coaches want it, you know.
Rick Carlyle is really good with the media. Doc Rivers

(01:03:48):
is really good to the media, and they kind of
like that role. They kind of they'll take the brunt
for the player. Steve Kerb, by the way, take some
heat for the players. He'll go up and take up
arroll for the team. But you can't force an individual
into the role of Lebron James. You know, you're you're
it's it's it's funny about this. I don't want to
self analyze, but I've worked in companies and I've had

(01:04:11):
this argument with people. I'm an opinionist. I don't do
play by play. I'm not a host. I don't like
reading a prompter. And when I got to my former employer,
I said, listen, you don't have a meet. I don't
need a prompter. Just give me a mic, get out
of my way, and I'll talk. And they're like, well,
we hope, and I'm like, you're trying to make me
what I'm not. Just accept what I am. It took

(01:04:32):
me like six years at my old place for them
to go, you're kind of an interesting val who has opinions,
and I'm like that that's all I do. Well, like,
that's all I do. And that is the conundrum of
most every human being that's ever walked this planet is
trying to make other people into something they're not. Like.
Don't like if you marry somebody, deal with their qualities,
appreciate the good, don't try to alter what that. That's

(01:04:53):
not who they are. People change when they want to change. Right,
We're getting gray philosophical right now. But the point is
is that's not who who I is, not who Play
Thompson is, and both of those qualities in their own
individual way is what makes them great. Here's what KOHI does.
Get your buckets and can guard anybody. I'm good, she
crushed out. That's good, thank you. Get buckets guard anybody

(01:05:13):
he guarded Jannis, I'm good, Get buckets guard. I don't
need you to analytically check everything. I don't. So finally,
Steve Kerr is ready to have Shack pay up on
a comment made several years ago. Shack's Lakers won three
straight championships from two thousand to two thousand and two
thousand and two, and then made the NBA Finals before
losing to the Pistons in two thousand and four. Well

(01:05:33):
Shack thought the team's accomplishment of making four NBA Finals
in five years was so impressive that he said this
in an interview. Diff coach tends to tinue to the
finals four to five years. I'll kiss his feet, pont
Fear Factor. We cheese Fear Factor. He'll never be done again. Well,
he said that very straight face. It has been done again.

(01:05:54):
Shack responded to Steve Kerr, who tweeted, Hey, Shack, I'm
going to do us both a favor and pretend that
David West didn't send this to me this morning, and
Shack responded, I guess I'll see you in Fear Factor
and make sure it's crap cheese. I would go with Munster.
Did you ever watch Fear Factor? Yes, I thought it
was fascinating. It was the best bad show on TV.
But it was. It was It was very anxiety right,

(01:06:18):
It was very compelling and that it just gave you
anxiety imagining being in those situations, like when they put
people in like the containers with spiders, roaches and stuff.
I think I think if my options were spiders or cockroaches,
I think I'd probably go with spiders. Joe Rogan has
done two TV shows, News Radio, which I contend is
the most underappreciated show in the history of Sitcom's News

(01:06:40):
Radio to me, was the funniest show on TV. Listen,
Seinfeld was great. Everybody loves Raymond, They're all great. News
Radio was hysterically funny, was on forever and never got
love for some reason. Then Joe Rogan was on the
Fear Factor where people had to live with cockroaches and
you could not take your eyes off it. And now
he's got a great podcast. That guy figured something out. Yeah,

(01:07:00):
fear Factor was. They should bring Fear Factor back. It
was so random. I can't watch I can't watch anything
awkward on TV. Like, if there's an awkward moment coming up,
I'm gonna change. I can't do it. I can't do
it's giving me anxietly talking about it now. I can't
do it. And I can't do situations where people are cramped.
So are you claustrophobic? I'm I don't put myself in
claustrophobic situations. That is, when I do, I still like

(01:07:22):
remain very calm, but yeah, I can't. I'm not. I
can't do it like this. Have you ever seen the
movie Escape Room? I'm just not comfortable with anything my
hands like literally, poor swat. I can't watch Jeopardy if
somebody is struggling either, I can't do it. I don't
know what. I can't watch it. Weird. If there's somebody
on Jeopardy and they're getting crushed, I feel so bad
for that. Yeah, I can't do it. I can't get

(01:07:43):
involved in that. By the way, I ever heard of
the show Intervention. Yes, I can't watch People's Lives Crumble
on TV. Yeah, that shows very difficult to watch. It
has some moments that are interesting, but once they get
in the room, I'm good. Yeah, I'm with you on
that very and I don't want to watch Shack like
Cheese upset out on that joy with the news. Well
that's the news, and thanks for stopping by, said Elliott.

(01:08:07):
You think I'm nuts on this, I'd consider moving him.
He'll never have more value in the NFL today, Zekiel Elliott.
There's a leak out there that basically he wants a
renegotiation with two years left in his contract, and between
the off field stuff that's nonsense, and between you're trying
to plant that story two years before it's I'm gonna
pay you, I would consider moving him. Jimmy Johnson did it.

(01:08:31):
The Herschel Walker and Herschel like Zeke was unbelievable. Adrian
Peterson got moved, DeMarco Murray got moved, Leaving Bell got moved,
and the teams are fine. Albert Brier is around the
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Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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in today, Albert Brere, Senior NFL reporter, Lead content guy,
Monday Morning Quarterback, former Patriot beat writer for The Globe

(01:09:18):
and Cowboy beat writer for the Dallas Morning News. Let's
go to and via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Our friend,
Albert Brew. I'm a believer that in this league, outside
of quarterback, you have to make very difficult decisions, and
you have to occasionally, Albert move players that are very,
very talented. Make sure he can hear us. Now, can

(01:09:41):
you hear us? Albert? Oh, he can't hear us right now?
So what makes your audio get it cleaned up that
when Albert can hear us? For those of you who
miss my premise is the NFL is not the NBA.
There are some absolutely can't lose players in the NBA,
and you just can't. It's yet. You got five starters,

(01:10:02):
You got about seven guys in the league. They just
make you better. And by the way, even those guys
like Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard, teams can win without him.
I mean Kevin Durant. They were thirty five and eight
without him. But it's hard to win titles. So now
Albert's back, all right, Albert, let's talk about Zeke. My
proposal is his yards per gamer going down, his touchdowns
per year are going down. They've got a lot of

(01:10:25):
mouse to feed, and I don't trust his judgment off
the field. During the off seasons. You could get a
haul for him, Albert. You could get a lot of
players in picks for him. Would you consider him on
the trade block privately, would would you make calls if
you were the Cowboys? I wouldn't, And look, I think
you're I think the off field concerns are very, very valid.

(01:10:48):
I'd be nervous about paying him, And you know what
they say, money only makes you more of what you
already are. And so you'd have to feel confident that
he's grown up. And I think the Cowboys do feel
confident he's growing up. He's still be a little nervous
based on his past. That said, like, this offense is different.
It's built around the offensive line, it's built around the
running game, and so much of Dak Prescott's success over

(01:11:11):
the course of the last three years has been based
on whether or not Zeke Elliott is in the lineup
and in top form. And there's nothing more valuable than
the development of your young quarterback. And I would argue
that Zeke Elliott's success has had as much to do
with how well Dak Prescott has played as Todd Gurley's
success in LA early on had what Jared Goff turning

(01:11:32):
the corner. And so I think as much as anything else,
this is about the structure of your offense, where you've
invested in that offensive line in the development of your
young quarterback, which to me is priceless. And so I
think here the Cowboys sort of have to bite the
bullet just because of who they are and because who
their quarterback is. After three years, I think it makes
sense for them to keep him, you know. There it's

(01:11:54):
a fun time before we eat. The camps open and
I was watching lists come out yesterday about quarterbacks. The
Madden ratings for quarterbacks came out and Aaron Rodgers was
like six or seventh. But I do feel like the
narrative on Aaron Rodgers has changed a little. The last
time he was in a Super Bowl, Peyton Manning was
a Colt, Carson Palmer was a Bengal, and Brett Farve

(01:12:17):
was in the league. And that he is thirty five,
he is increasingly brittle like Farv. He's a little stubborn,
he's got away, he plays, He's not great with every teammate.
I don't think it's a slap for Madden to come
out and say, you know, we would take this morning Mahomes,
Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson. I don't. I think there's

(01:12:39):
I think Aaron's talented, but I think there's some baggage
that comes with him which you can't deny, some injuries.
He's become increasingly brittle. What do you make of Aaron
Rodgers today when you talk to sources about him? McCarthy
gets Jettison. Where are we at with Aaron Rodgers? The
biggest question you're going to ask is does this guy
want to be coached? Because for as stubborn as Peyton

(01:13:01):
Manning could be, as tough as Tom Brady can be,
those guys would tell their coaches. And you can ask
Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels, Adam Gase, Mike McCoy, whoever you want,
ask any of those guys. What those guys will tell
you is Tom Brady and Peyton Manning wanted to be coached.
And to me, that's a central question with Aaron Rodgers here. Now,
obviously there was some clashing with the old coaching staff.

(01:13:23):
And what's so interesting here about the marriage between Aaron
Rodgers and Matt Laflour. Look at what guys like Kyle
Shanahan and Sean McVay have done. That offense is based
on the quarterback playing fast. It takes responsibility off the
quarterbacks hands right, It gives the protection, calls to the center,
it gives the quarterback less options at the line of scrimmage.

(01:13:44):
Everything is based on the quarterback just going out there
and playing. And we know what a big issue control
has been for Aaron Rodgers. So how are they going
to marry the two. That's something that I've talked to
Matt about. It's something that I've talked to people in
that organization about. Is something that it's going to be
a big challenge for them over the course this first year.
Is how do you marry a system that's based on

(01:14:04):
getting quarterbacks playing fast and that's why it's been so
good for young quarterbacks like Jared Goff. How do you
marry that system, that philosophy with a guy who's always
had a ton of control. And so to me, the
central question remains, Colin, does Aaron Rodgers want to be coached?
And then at and then when you take it to
the next level, it's on the coaching staff to figure

(01:14:25):
out a way how to make a system that again,
it's been traditionally very easy for quarterbacks to playing. How
do you fit it for a quarterback who's so far evolved.
I think that's one of the most fascinating stories going
into twenty nineteen. If Aaron Rodgers wants to be coached,
there's no question how great he can be. But that's
the central question going into the seat. So we cover
Zeke and we cover Aaron Rodgers. I want to talk

(01:14:46):
Russell Wilson for a second. He put Seattle, and I
don't blame him, but he put him in kind of
a pinch. Rumors started surfacing, He'll go to New York
and Seattle had to pay him. And once Seattle had
to pay him, do we have Albert's audio? All right?

(01:15:07):
Can can Albert hear me? All right? Let's just make
sure Albert can hear audio. Guys, make sure he can
hear Can you hear him? Okay? All right? All right?
When he when he has me, I'll talk, all right,
here we go. Um. I want to talk about Russell Wilson.

(01:15:28):
The Seahawks had to pay him a fortune this offseason.
And you can tell they didn't think it was going
to happen this quickly because they then had to turn
four draft picks into eleven. They started John Snyder started
working quickly. Oh we got it, got inexpensive. It was
very good job. By the front office of Seattle. Here's
my question. Do you believe there's a tad bit of

(01:15:51):
resentment in this organization that they kind of got backed
into a wall with Russell Wilson a year early, had
to add lib a lot during the draft, a younger
and cheaper. Do you think this is kombay on Seattle
or not. I think everything's fine in Seattle. I think
part of this, of course, is, you know, Russell Wilson
looking back at his own history and the way he's

(01:16:13):
negotiated these contracts, and there was a lot of resentment
towards Russell Wilson from the previous group of players and
guys that are now gone, like Cam Chancellor, and yeah,
we lost him. You know what. Some day's audio is
Albert is always it seems like dealing with the audio demons.

(01:16:36):
But he thinks it's okay, We're fine. I want to
shift to this and I think this is something I
was gonna talk about next hour, but I'll bring it up.
I got about four minutes so in the NBA, I
had this discussion with a friend of mine named Tim.
I wrote a couple of books, and Tim Cute was
the guy who wrote the books with And we were
laughing about this the other day about these NBA owners.

(01:16:58):
They always complain about stars are leaving, but the franchise
worth never goes down, right, So the players may leave,
But you bought the thing for five hundred million, it's
now worth two billion. You know, billionaires getting more billions.
I don't lose a lot of pity. But here's the
funny thing about this. We've seen Kawhi leave, and we've

(01:17:20):
seen players leave certain cities, and it's often small or
less glamorous cities, and the player always gets crushed for it. Right.
Has anybody thought about this if you didn't have a
professional sports team, regardless of what league we're talking about, Hockey, NFL, Baseball, NBA,
if you didn't have it by like nineteen eighty five,

(01:17:43):
you probably were kind of wedging you in, did we
really need the NBA in Memphis and OKC? Really? Did
we really need the NFL in Jacksonville? Really? I mean
mostly we established all the cities in baseball, basketball, football
that don't count soccer because that that's a league in atenfacy.
But in hockey, you know, you give me Philadelphia, you

(01:18:05):
give me Pittsburgh, you give me Detroit. You give me
Saint Louis, you give me the cold weather northern cities.
Nobody really needed Phoenix. Now there was nobody nobody. Hockey
in the desert was not a necessity. Nothing against Phoenix.
It's worked in Las Vegas for a year. Let's wait
and see if Vegas is terrible for a decade, how
many people in the desert go inside and watch players
skate around ice. But it's a classic example. I'm reading
this story today about by the Athletic the Athletic dot

(01:18:28):
Com I'm a subscriber, about how much power Oklahoma City
gave Westbrook. He was he had total power over the organization.
We're not practicing today. Nobody can come in before the
games and talk to us. We're not going to stay
in that city an extra day. Let's fly to another
city in practice. And it was the same thing Lebron
got in Cleveland. And it's not an coincidence. It's not

(01:18:49):
irony that Oklahoma City in Cleveland, both cities that players
don't necessarily want to go to have to acquiesce to
a SuperStar's needs. Owners keep adding teams because they get
expansion fees. It cash like eight hundred million dollars. I'm
throwing a number out, but I think it's like eight
hundred million dollars to get into hockey. Well, the owners

(01:19:12):
all split that money. But there's no city that really
needs the NHL right now. I'll give you an example.
Major League Baseball needs fewer teams because there's no salary cap.
Oakland can't compete, Cincinnati can't compete, Tampa Bay can't compete.
We need less teams. Tampa as acknowledge, can we do
half the year here and half the year in Canada,
and yet baseball's going to expand. I used to live

(01:19:35):
in Portland. That's one of the cities. Portland's not a
Major League Baseball city period. Seattle is bigger and wealthier,
with six times more fortune five hundred companies, and they
struggled to compete financially. Minnesota, which is a corporate hub,
struggles to compete financially. Oakland can't, Tampa can't, Cincinnati can't.

(01:19:58):
And you want to add Portland. I like Portland eighty
one home games. You gotta be kidding me, But this
is the world we live in. So these owners they
want the expansion free. It's just free money. I mean
they get like a thirty million dollars check. What rich
guy didn't want a thirty million dollars checks? So are
like yeah, and then you have a Memphis in the NBA,

(01:20:20):
you get a Jacksonville in the NFL. And don't be
shocked if in the NBA, a star driven league, a
lot of these players don't want to plan these cities.
I mean Seattle and Oklahoma City. One's a corporate hub,
one is not. Don't be shocked. Guys don't want to
be there, you know. And it just cracks me up.

(01:20:40):
I read these stories all the time. If you go
to the last ten new franchises in America, Las Vegas
Hockey in the desert. It doesn't work in Phoenix. It's
had years where it's worked. Okay, see in the NBA, Memphis, NBA, Jacksonville,
a New Orleans in the NBA. Now New Orleans got Zion,
but if New Orleans didn't get Zion and got the

(01:21:02):
number nine pick, it wouldn't feel nearly as good. Today
is that the owners, the players get ripped for it
because they don't want to play in certain organizations, especially
in the NBA. Well think, stop expanding leagues. Stop it.
We got enough teams. I could make an argument, and
I made this argument for years. You can go to

(01:21:22):
every league Hockey, MLB, NHL, NFL, NBA, take off six
franchises and the leagues are all better. Can you imagine
the NBA if you eliminated four franchises and you took
the best players on those four and sprinkle them around
the league, everybody would have three stars. Everybody would have
three legitimate All star level players. Every night you go

(01:21:45):
to an NBA game, there'd be like three All Stars
on your team and three All Stars on their team.
More is not better. Stop expanding. This is why stars
don't want to play. Don't blame the star, blame the
greedy owners. One more Heard the Herd streams twenty four
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(01:22:07):
DJ Hushmnzatta played eleven years in the NFL, Seahawks, Ravens,
Bengals Raiders, pro bowler and by the way, not only
are his daughters college athletes, but you're a bit of
a coach yourself. You should tell the audience you do
some coaching A little bit. I try to help young
receivers get better. That's that's what I'll say. And you do.

(01:22:29):
A lot of the elite California Southern California wide receivers
work with TJ. And they are You were a great
route runner, incredibly coachable, goodhand smart dude. So you're a
very good coach. So anybody out there that's got a
son that runs a four to three t J Hush Benzata.
We were talking about a couple of different things. I
want to start with something I haven't talked about in
about an hour. I try not to be a homer

(01:22:51):
because I'm from Seattle, but I believe great quarterbacks. Carson
Palmer's one of these. Cincinnati was a laughing stock. Carson
overcame all their issues and made him a playoff team.
As Carson was great, Seattle was irrelevant my entire childhood.
Russell Wilson gets there and changes them. Matt Stafford's got
the talent but has never been able to take them
on his shoulders. I'm not disputing dysfunction within the organization.

(01:23:14):
But Cincinnati had a lot and Carson made him a
playoff team. And Seattle had a lot and Russell made
him a playoff team, and by the way, Atlanta had
a lot and Matt Ryan's helped him be a playoff
team with my knock on Stafford. Yesterday Golden Tate said
Stafford's better than Russell Wilson. We got I'll let you
hear the sound on this and then t J. Riatt
go ahead to me. As of now where I am today,

(01:23:38):
I think Stafford has been the best quarterback I play
with over his career. If you put him in another organization,
maybe things are different. You know, I don't know, because
I've I've played with some guys over my years that
I've won playoff games with that I don't think are
as good. Just a shot at Russell Wilson, what do
you make a stant what do you make of that comment? Well,

(01:24:00):
there could be some history between Golden Tate and Russell
Wilson that It's almost a fact. There's some type of history,
some bitterness that they have with each other. But I
will say this, for the last couple of weeks, I've
been out working with my guys and Stafford has been there.
Stafford throws the ball man very very very well. That's

(01:24:23):
never been the issue. He's very accurate. Um, So if
you're just talking about a thrower of the football. Golden
Tate has a point. Yes, if you're talking overall, that's
when you say come on and tay you hayten Bro,
because that's what it is. You can't just say Stafford
is better than Russell Wilson just off of Russell Wilson's accomplishments,

(01:24:44):
but just a thrower of the football. When we're out
there throwing, Stafford throws a pretty ball. It's accurate, it's
on time, you're not slowing down, You're not really, I mean,
everything is just perfect. Mel Kiper said years ago that,
and I Stafford's a great guy. He's a great guy,
great fan. He said that Stafford was so good out
of I think South Lake High School in Texas that

(01:25:05):
people would have drafted him out of high school and
just sat him for two years. He was that kind
of arm talent, like he literally remember at Georgia, he
started as a freshman. So I've seen Stafford when he
was on his way to Georgia, he was coming out
of high school. I would Nike had flew me out
to Beaverton, and I've seen Matthew Stafford, and I told
him before he went to college, you're gonna be the

(01:25:26):
first pick in three years, and we've talked about that
last week. Yeah, and he's a great thrower of the football.
He is. But this is what I always say about
Aaron Rodgers quarterback. Is beyond that, it's leadership. It's I mean,
Tom Brady every offseason learns new music. So he relates
to his teammates, you know, like I mean, there's a
lot that goes into memorization of playbook, audibling at the line,

(01:25:48):
total commitment physically, Kali ice cream. I mean, there's that's
what makes Brady great, not his arm strength and his mobility.
So I'm with you, like I think Russell Wilson has something.
Russell Wilson, Steph Curry, he's not cool, religious, quiet, family.
You know, players are kind of like roll their eyes
at staff, They roll their eyes at Russell. Russell doesn't
have kind of credibility among players. But there are things

(01:26:11):
called instincts, like you just do stuff, your body does stuff.
Russell's instinctually. I've never quite seen anything like him. See.
The thing in sports is this, I mean from any
sport you go, basketball, Lebron James Quiet and whoever, whoever
it is. In football, why did you do that, I
don't know. My instinct told me to do it. And

(01:26:33):
that's what makes players better than others is instinctually they
do things that aren't taught. They just do them and
you're like, why do you do that. That's why he's
a great player, because his instincts are better than yours
and he has that. Some guys never get it being
a leader thing. Some guys are just Russell Wilson is

(01:26:55):
a natural leader. Yes, he just has that in him,
whereas guys like maybe Stafford, you have to earn that
takes a little time. But you look, you look at Russell.
He's had one head coach's entire career. Matthew Stafford has
had three. He's had more turnover. Things are a little different,
and you would say the three coaches Stafford has had,
they don't compare to Pete curl and so Russell Wilson

(01:27:17):
has had more stability and more leadership at the top
than Stafford has had as well. I want to move
over to the Madden ratings came out and they rate
quarterbacks first of all two players. Yeah, yeah, it matters.
I remember one time I got raided and I thought
I was low and I said something to interview and
they changed it. It matters. I used to play Madden

(01:27:37):
oh all the time. I haven't played Maddness so long,
but yeah, it does matters. Like you really disrespect because
you look at the rankings and you say, oh, he's
not better than me, really, And so by the way,
they have Carson eighty two and Kirk Cousins at eighty one.
See the thing is, though, it's a what have you
done for me? Carson Wentz has been hurt and so
it's what have you done for me lately? Aaron Rodgers

(01:28:00):
look where he's at. What have you done for me lately?
You're not taking all those quarterbacks in front Aaron Rodgers
at least I'm not. If I'm a receiver. If you
were a GM today, so you're building for five to
seven years, would you take thirty five year old Aaron Rodgers,
who's increasingly brittle? Would you take him over Mahomes Andrew Luck.
I would no, not those two guys, because he's thirty

(01:28:21):
five and they have more of a silly put up
the three guys. I said this morning, if you told
me I was a GM, here's what And I'm building
my franchise so I have to consider four things at
quarterback age, talent, injury, history, and leadership. These are the
first three guys I take. Now. Luck injury worries me.

(01:28:42):
But here's the thing I know going forward TJ they
have the best young offensive line and the best tight
end group in the NFL. And Frank Wright teaches get
rid of the ball fast. So Luck didn't get hit
last year, so I feel safe next five years with
Andrew Luck. I would take Mahomes one, Russell two, and
Luck three. I would put a question mark on Andrew
lut just because of his injuries, but if if everybody's healthy,

(01:29:05):
then you're right. I'm looking at that list. I think
they kind of hate it on Ben as well. I
think Ben should be higher on the man Raine's as well.
I think is underrated. Man. Well, he's old, he has
little issues with the leadership, but little you talk about
him playing on the field. He's underrated. He's underrated. What

(01:29:26):
do they have him here? They have him been an
eighty five, They have him lower than Matt Ryan. That
feels underrated to me. Big band is he's better than that? Yeah,
he is. By the way, sounds crazy Sometimes I say
stuff sounds crazy. But the NFL is not the NBA.
In the NBA, there's just certain guys you gotta keep.

(01:29:47):
They just do stuff nobody. You can't get rid of
Clay Thompson six five shoots threes. You gotta sign him,
take away a handful of quarterbacks. The NFL has always
been about you gotta Sometimes you have to let go
of great players because salary cap. We've got a young
guy that's eighty five percent of him. Our offense changed
with a new system. This tight end doesn't work with

(01:30:08):
this coach. I would consider Zeke now two years out
is privately telling people I'm gonna hold out two years out. Also,
I have to deal every offseason with a legal issue.
I'd move him. I would not. The only thing that
concerns me is what you said. The legal issue, Like
the thing with the security guard. That's not a big deal.

(01:30:30):
That's happened a lot with many of athletes before cameras
were everywhere. Yeah, I didn't think that was a big deal.
You don't know what was said. Dude is making a
big deal. He bumps You get like, come on, man,
he didn't assault you. That does concern me. The off
the field stuff, like once you've been in trouble once
or twice, stay higher security everywhere you go. It's a

(01:30:50):
lot cheaper to hire security than it is to get
an attorney. Hire security. You're gonna spend more money on
attorney when you get in trouble. You could get a haul.
For Zeke and so touched going into his fourth year,
like he has four really really really strong years. Yes,
this you can't practice, you can't hit, you can't go

(01:31:10):
two a days. The game is so different now, like
the rules of old running backs get old after the
rules are so different now. They get hit in the game,
but in practice there's no contact. You can't practice double
days in training camp anymore. It's just so we did
Oklahoma's a third day every year in Cincinnati in training camp.
He was like, oh man, I'm about to get a

(01:31:32):
headache today. You need want to do it, but you
gotta do it. And so it's just so different now.
I'm not trading them. If he holds out, he holds out. Now,
if he holds out and it becomes a problem and
I can get some things for him, like the vikings
there for hershel Walker, hey, then we'll move them. But
I'm not looking to trade Ezekiel Elliott. I just you know,
sometimes I think all things could be should be considered

(01:31:56):
outside of a franchise quarterback. I'm not moving to Shaun Watson.
I'm not moving Baker Mayfield in Cleveland. He's got the
sign him for a bunch of contra. Last year, where
were we talking about. By the way, Baker's not my
cup of tea, but Cleveland should sign him up. Last
year we were saying, if Dak Prescott got twenty five
million a year, he hit the lottery, the Cowboys would
love to pay him twenty five million a year. Right now,

(01:32:18):
the longer date, wait, the worst is going to get.
They have to for sure sign one of those guys
the big deals. He good seeing you, Thank you the same.
Joy with the news. Turn on the news. This is
the herd Line News. So the Lakers are coming off
a disappointing season, and since they've added another star in

(01:32:39):
Anthony Davis and upgraded their supporting casts now led by
Danny Green, expectations are even higher than they were last year.
And GM Rob Polinka reiterated that by saying, I think
we took a lot of what happened last year into
account and kind of shaping the stroster and shaping our
goals for the season. You always have to learn and
evolve and adapt as a leader from the past. For us,

(01:33:00):
anything short of a championship is not success. So we
have to learn from last season because we didn't win
a championship, you know, I think we do have to
give the Lakers front office some credit. Despite the absolute
chaos that last year was and the end of the
season was for them, they have made major moves and
they did put pieces around Lebron James and it seems

(01:33:23):
as if for the moment at least, everything is kind
of calmed down and they seem to be back on track. Now. Obviously,
once the season starts, we'll see what happens. That's the
one move I don't love. Yeah, I mean, there could
have been some internal push for him, you know, something
that Lebron wanted or you know whatever. But I think

(01:33:45):
once the season starts, that's when the true test of
whether all of these moves and everything it has been
done really is going to come together and fit. But
they did pull it all together despite all the chaos
and there, and He's absolutely right. They their expectation should
be a championship anything less of that, regardless of whether
you think this is a championship proser or not. At

(01:34:05):
this point in Lebron's career, with the all of the
efforts and chaos that it took to get Anthony Davis here,
and the fact that you are the Lakers, it's championship
or bus for the team for the next three years. Really,
I'm just kind of Anthony Davis has had some injury issues.
I'm excited to watch him play every night. I didn't

(01:34:26):
watch him play much in New Orleans. I just you know,
I can't watch every team. They were not on my radar.
I think Anthony Davis and seeing what Lebron looks like
coming back from that injury, it's going to be very
fun to watch. So a celebration was held in Milwaukee
on Sunday to honor the MVP on US Anton Ta Koumpo,
and he came on stage and the crowd was yelling
MVP the same chance they yelled all year long, and

(01:34:49):
he kind of flipped the scrip on the crowd a
little bit, asking them an unusual favor after these days
July fourteen, Please please please do me the favors so
I can be better. I can be a better player,
and I can leave this into a championship. Please don't
call me MVP. Listen, listen, listen, listen. Please after this day,

(01:35:12):
don't call me MVP, because until until I winned again
next year, it's gonna get the big trophy. Now. Such
a good kid. Yes, he's very likable, and he was
clearly the MVP. Yes, he had a great year and
he led the Bucks to the best record in the NBA.
Most valuable player, yes, Hardon's a great player value to

(01:35:36):
a city franchise roster. Yeah, that's called most valuable player.
I mean, we we have a lot of different conversations
about the MVP, and out of all years, this year,
the MVP conversation was actually pretty quiet. It wasn't really
much debated. But and it's not that it wasn't that close.
I mean, Harden had an incredible year, Like there was

(01:35:57):
a conversation there, and Paul George was in it for
a while as well. But it's the one thing that
hurts the MVP overall is they wait so long to
announce it. I don't know why they don't just announce
it as soon as the season is over. It doesn't
matter what happens in the playoffs. And that's what gets
so confusing is because everyone kind of knows who it is,
and then you go through the playoffs and then there's

(01:36:17):
a discussion of like, well, release should be MVP because
their team did so awful in the playoffs, which has
nothing to do with the regular season MVP. It just
hurts it, Like, just announce it right afterwards and then
give it to them at though awards. College football, of
all the sports, has it right. Regular season conference championships,
hand out the Heisman, go to the bowls, and a

(01:36:39):
week later recruiting day. Like they have a perfect order, right,
regular season conference championship, give out a big award, go
to the big bowls. It's in sight until like there's
five big days in college football, Like of all the sports,
they've got the progression down. There's no need to wait,
all right, So I told you how to surprise for you, right,
Oh that's right. Yeah. You like for adictions, So the

(01:37:02):
Internet they loved their challenges. We like predictions and the
Internet loves challenges. You saw the bottle cap challenge. For
the past couple of weeks, there's a new challenge called
the face app Challenge. Basically, it's this app and you
put your picture in it, and it tells you what
you're gonna look like when you're old. Okay, and damarjar
Rosen is is not looking forward to what he's going
to look like in the mirror in twenty years. He

(01:37:22):
tried it out. Let's see this all right. This is
DeMar dear Rosen face up. Man got any aging like this? Man?
Someone whoever started this damn whoever started his app? Man? Stop? Yeah,
so he was not pleased how he looked. That's that's
Tom Brady. Oh my god, he looks like Clint Eastwood.

(01:37:44):
That's Aaron Rodgers. Oh lordy, that's Changer. Looks like Mike
Shannon Patrick mahone. What the heck? It's very dramatic. And
that's a that's Carson Wentz. So he's he's he's not
keeping all his hair there. Drew breesh Dree looks cranky.

(01:38:04):
All right. Well, they also have the NC Doubaa did
one for the UH for the Championship rounds. It's called
the face app Challenge. Some some celebrities did it too.
There's Michael Jordan. Kevin Love did it as well. There's
Kevin Love. Kevin Love looks like a Hemmingway. He looks

(01:38:27):
like old man by the sea writing novels. All right, well,
Kevin Loves the only one that I'd want to be.
He looked great. We had to participate in it too.
Oh lord, so here's a glimpse into your future, Colin.
I don't even want to I look like Bob. I
look like Bob Barker. How can you look so beautiful?

(01:38:48):
And I look like an old chair You don't look
oh man? Uh yeah, my hair's going to be short
when I'm all for sure. So that's that's but um, well,
thank you. I hope to age well. John says, I
look like a furry catchers met bad. You look you

(01:39:11):
look like you have You look like you have butterscotches
and like terrible candy out for the nighbor. If you
show me around a school playground, you'd call the cop.
You look like a pleasant old man. You've got you've
got a couple of cats, you know, like you like
your rocking chair in your porch. Oh lord, I look
like an old game show host, is what I look like? Um?

(01:39:35):
It might be the suit. Do we have anybody else?
That's all right, Joy with the news. Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by. Can give that to our
radio listeners. Can they go anywhere to look at those pictures.
We will tweet them out o the side. We'll tweet
that out. Joy, tweet that out in your Twitter account
our radio listeners to see that. Yeah, I'll put it out. God,

(01:39:56):
I don't think it's not bad. It's it's it's weirdly
like when you see it though, it's kind of if
I look like it's all disappear into afore us. I'm
not gonna look like that and I look like that.
I'll just stop. I'll get a facelift, first of all.
And I'm not even I don't even like knives. I'll
get a facelift. I mean, look at that, Joy, Joy
time out. You're being dramatic, Colin. I mean it's suppost

(01:40:19):
to aid you like. Look at you. You look like
an old Hollywood siren. Now I still does work at
her off time. I look like I get chunk off
Chardonnay by one pm and spend too much money and
expensive boutiques. I mean, you look you. It's the suit.
It's it's just the suit. We gotta throw like a
tank top on you. You look very chill. Yeah, I'm
sure it, Ady, I'll look right in a tank. Coming up,

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(01:41:03):
Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Great to have
you in today. There's a lot of stuff going on
in sports right now, and I thought we'd play a
little game in our Best for Last Today Joy where
there's decisions teams have to make, and it's sports is
very tough. Outside of Baseball, they've all got salary caps,
and you get into situations as a professional sports franchise.

(01:41:26):
You're not just getting rid of bad players, You're not
just getting rid of mediocre players. You're often a situation
where I mean the Raiders are like, we got to
get rid of a Hall of Fame player in Khalil Mack,
and because we can't pay Derek Carr and Khalil Mack
and Amari Cooper. So that's sports in general, and it's uncomfortable.
And I was talking about the Cowboys and Ezekiel Elliott.

(01:41:47):
So I'm going to play let's do press conference sound
effects today. I'm going to be a general manager joy
of four franchises. All right, con you're now the general
manager of the Cowboys. All right, there you go. Okay,
at the part, do you think your organization should pay
Zeke the big bucks or consider trading him? My feeling

(01:42:08):
general managers often where the team hat around the facilities. Yes,
my feeling is it is bad judgment two years out
to be asking for a contract extension. This is by
problem with Zeke. Okay, two years out and you're asking
for it now time out, you sign that contract. I

(01:42:28):
understand you're a running back. He's got fifteen hundred carries
college to pro. They have seven great young players Cowboys.
Over the weekend we were told we had the best
young players. I'm going to strongly consider trading Ezekiel Elliott.
We used to have a coach here named Jimmy Johnson.
Jimmy Johnson did it with herschel Walker. I will call

(01:42:50):
teams around the league if I can get two first
round picks and a marginal backup back. We drafted another
running back this year, I'll trade Zeke Okay, a little
switch up here. You're now the general manager of the Chargers.
All right, there's a report that running back Melvin Gordon
wants a new contract at market value, and if he
doesn't get it, he's going to demand a trade. How

(01:43:11):
should your organization handle this situation? Well, first of all,
we moved up to get him. So we liked him.
We like a lot of teams won't draft running backs
in the first round. We did, and we moved up
to draft him, and we've already talked behind the scenes.
We'd like to give him a contract. But since Anthony
Lynn became coach, all our running backs are averaging four

(01:43:32):
and a half yards of carry. In fact, Austin Eckler
averages more yards than Melvin Gordon because of our blocking schemes.
There is a value. He's been a good guy, he's
been a good charger, he has played hurt. We will
give him a contract. We will massively frontload it. Analytically,
we don't trust he's going to be great in four years.

(01:43:52):
We're pretty sure he's got two more great years. So
I'm going to sign him. He's been a good charger,
he stayed out of trouble, he's been great in the
locker room. It's been totally dependable. And like the Zeke
in Dallas. So and by the way, he's only a
year out. It is reasonable for a running back who's
been a workhorse to ask for it. So we're gonna
sign Melvin. We're gonna frontload it, try to get a

(01:44:14):
better deal than he wants, but we'll resign him. All right,
you're now the general manager of the Rockets. We're gonna
switch sports here. Charles Barkley and Russell Westbrook or said
that Russell Westbrook needs to give the point guard positions
to James Harden. Do you agree with Barkley's suggestion. Yes,
James Harden's the better player. It's his offense, it's analytically

(01:44:36):
his team. This is James Harden's team. I think we
have a problematic situation that's not ideal with any coach,
But we already fired Mike d'antoni's staff. I would give
him a golden parachute contract. We appreciate your service. There's
too many people in the building that don't believe in D'Antoni,

(01:44:59):
and you have to to make Westbrook and Hardened work.
Those guys have to believe that a coach is secure,
and they don't buy that with Dantoni. So I've got
a passive, aggressive coach on the last year of his
contract in an untenable, potentially situation with two ball centric guards.

(01:45:20):
I'm gonna have to fire Dantoni called Tylu, a more
confrontational coach, give him a four year deal to empower Tylu. Therefore,
the players know they may move us as well as
the coach. I'm gonna have to fire my coach. Finally,
you're now the general manager of the Thunder. You know
the situation there Reports are saying your team is looking

(01:45:42):
to trade Chris Paul'swick contender. How are you planning on
handling that situation? Oh, we don't have any interest long
term with Chris Paul. By the way, this goes, this
hat goes perfectly with my gray hair and my old
Bob Parker face. Bob Barker face. Actually, we're in a
very unique situation. We're not looking to win games now.
For the next two years, we kind of like to

(01:46:03):
be bad because we want lottery picks. What I want
is to figure out a star to build around for
those lottery picks. So I'm not gonna waste time here.
I've got in the next what is it, seven years,
twelve first round picks. I'm gonna move five of them.
Jerry West just showed you draft picks or eighteen year olds.

(01:46:24):
If you hit on fifty percent, you're great. What I
want the next two years are lottery picks and a
star to build around. Who's my star. I go to
Philadelphia and I say, here's five first round picks, gimme
Ben Simmons. I can find maybe another guy to do it.
What I have to do is identify the face of
my franchise. It's not Chris Paul. Surrender multiple picks to

(01:46:47):
get that, and then for the next two years will
be a lottery team. I'll have two young stars around
the face of my franchise. So I move Chris, I
identify the star I want. It's Ben Simmons. I call
Philadelphia and I give them the five first round picks
and Chris Paul eat the contract. By the way, they

(01:47:08):
have got size, but need more shooters. There's more shooters
coming out of college the next several years. Philadelphia can
fix that problem. That's the move i'd make. This is
I loved as a general manager. I will say this.
I'm not a hat wearing guy. NBA does very good
with hats. That was the best hat out of those four. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:47:30):
Rockets have strong identity. They have good logos and stuff. Yeah,
very nice. All right, there we go. There's a tough
decisions there. Those are very tough to see it now.
And and by the way, Melvin Gordon's not as good
as Zeke, But Melvin Gordon's been good in the room,
has not been a pain in the you know what,
only a year out from his contracts. And listen again,

(01:47:52):
I'll listen to players in these positions that say, man,
can we rework it? All I have to do with Melvin,
I'm gonna frontload it. I'm gonna pay him a ton
for two year. I must have want to guarantee you
a ton of money. You're gonna be rich forever. I'm
not gonna pay a Ton on the back end. You
gotta you gotta be good to us. I'll pay it
big early. You're gonna be on the We're gonna win that.
We're gonna win this contract year four. You got it.
You gotta be okay with that, because but I do

(01:48:13):
think it was Zeke. I think the off field stuff, Joy,
it's a real difference maker for me. I'm not gonna
live with that stuff. I can't do it, can't live
with it, all right, Speaking for yourself around the corner,
I want to think Chris Bruce, Hard, Albert Breer, t J.
Hushman's Auto, Joy Taylor and all the entire staff we'll
see tomorrow. It's the herd.

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