June 20, 2022 • 42 mins
In hour 1 of the show, Colin pose the question concerning the courage of the Lakers and if they would trade Anthony Davis for Kyrie Irving. The Browns clearly had no plan for Baker Mayfield and is now feeling it. Ryan Russillo joins to talk his affinity for Steph Curry, the Celtics and more.
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where Colin was wrong. It's great to have you. Enjoy
Taylor joining me as oldwards. What'd you do this weekend?
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Just relax, you know, kind of enjoyed the Southern California's
start of summer. It's like the first weekend we've tad
where everywhere around the city is the same weather. Right,
there's a bunch different weathers in La. There's desert weather,
there's the beach weather, there's the city weather. And it
was beautiful all weekends. So I went to pickle Palooza.
That was fun pickle palooza. Yeah, I'm a big pickle
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fan own Yeah, fun joy Taylor facts. Oh so I
went got some artist and pickles at the farmer's market
and that that was my weekend. You go exciting. Uh so,
that's interesting. Everybody needs a break in life, even the Lakers.
According to Seam Sharon, you're very good reporter at the
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Athletic that conversations between Kyrie Irving and the Brooklyn Nets
are going nowhere. It's had an impass. Now I've told
you before, Kad needed to put his foot down and
tell ownership Let's move Kyrie. You know, Let's get some
size on this team. Let's get somebody who's less flaky.
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There's things the Brooklyn Nets need. What they don't need
is allousy defender who shows up occasionally and can be
brittle and can't defend. And so this is a very
interesting elopment. It's a huge break for the Lakers. Does
Rob Polinka, does the organization Genie Buss have the courage
forget Westbrook to move off? Anthony Davis, this is the moment.
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Think about it from the Net side. What do they
need in the East? Janis and bead. You need size,
You need size, Bam, how to buy you? Everybody in
the East, Robert Williams size don't need that as much
out West with the Warriors, small ball wins. Suns are
going to get rid of de Andrea Ayton. In the East,
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there's bigs. What do they need? Anthony Davis is a
big and a tremendous defender. In fact, increasingly I like
his defense better than his offense. Kevin Durant also goes
from flakey Kyrie to about the most chill dude in
the entire NBA. Anthony Davis, he grew up closer to
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the East than the West, won a championship in college Bubble.
Lebron privately frustrated with his lack of commitment. They get
a d What do the Lakers need? Lakers need shooters,
Lakers need somebody that can play off the ball and
when Lebron goes to the bench, can be point guard.
Too many people are worrying about Westbrook irrelevant contract is
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going to be up in a year. Lakers aren't interested
long term either as anybody else. That's why he's going
to be on his fifth team in five years. People
are just moving that lousy contract around the league. That's
what happens when you're signed a bad contract. People just
move your team to team to team to team. Westbrook's
not the factor here. The player that some in the
building in Los Angeles think is going to give them
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something he once had and he's not. Is ad it's over,
he's not committed. He's brittle, and he's declining. There's no
proof that Kyrie's declining. Kyrie's just flaky. But remember in
the last several months that Kyrie Irving had a breakthrough
and we talked about it on this show. He said
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he acknowledged the Lebron breakup was my fault. And that's
a real thing because what Lebron needs. David Fizdale, who
was a Laker assistant last year, was on our show
last week and he brought up a very interesting point
about Lebron James current game and his current need for
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this Laker team. Listen to this. The centerpiece of the
whole thing for me would be Lebron. I mean what
he did this year, thirty seven years old. If he
would have played two more games, he would have left
the league in scoring. He's really the today's NBA player
and the position list systems. He's again established himself at
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the top of that. I think the biggest thing that
they're really going to have to focus on is getting
some more youth in there, but guys that can really
guard multiple positions and that can also make make shots
when that ball is sprayed out. Because we generated the
second most quality threes this year. And that's not to
knock the guys that were shooting it, but just didn't
knock down enough of them. Boom, that's it. Lebron not
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only can lead the league in scoring still, but he
will create The Lakers didn't create those shots Lebron did.
Lebron is a brilliant passer, a Magic Johnson level passer
that will get you great three looks. A D's not
a three ballshooter. Westbrook's not a shooter, period. So Kyrie
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solves an issue, not all of them. You wish he
was a better defender, yeah you do. You wish a
D wasn't declining and was healthier right now. A D
gives a Lakers defense, all right, and I got him
a title in the bubble. He's not available, he's not
a shooter. He's a big that doesn't want to be
a big Kyrie is a shooter that wants to be
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a shooter. He's a score that wants to be a score.
He works with Lebron. I know he flamed out in Boston.
I know it's not working in Brooklyn. I know in
Cleveland he acknowledged it's my bad. That's the first step
in any problem. Hey, I screwed up. And by the way,
the Knicks, the Clippers, and the Lakers are all interested. Reportedly,
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according to the Athletic, they're all interested in Kyrie. Well,
what are the Lakers have? The Knicks and the Clippers
don't a star to give you back. A d would
be the best player. The Clippers can give you Norman
Powell and draft picks, and the Knicks can give you
an RJ. Barrett maybe in some other No, no, Lakers
can give you exactly what Brooklyn needs to make the
deal work. A star with a big contract who defends
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and has size in the East, where if you want
to win the East, you're gonna have to get through
Robert Williams Bama to Bayou Yannis Joel Embiide. Gotta have
some size. You can't ask Kay, You can't ask Kevin
Durant to play forty two minute to Garden Yannis. He
can do that, it's not fair to Kevin Durant. So
this will also illustrate something that's very important. How much
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power do the Lakers have? How much curR is Lebron
running the organization? Is Clutch Sports running the Organs Nation?
Because when you think of the Warriors, you don't think
Clutch Sports is running it. When you look at the
Celtics or the Bucks, you don't think Clutch Sports is
running And maybe Clutch Sports isn't running the Lakers. But
there is a feeling in Los Angeles and a feeling
around the league that Lebron and Clutch have a lot
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of power to step up big boy moment for rob
Polinka to step up moment. Lebron maybe wouldn't love the deal,
but I'll tell you this, You're not gonna get a
perfect team quickly with Lebron. There is no perfect team.
You got bad contracts, you have declining players. The idea
that you could get Kyrie Irving, who fits Lebron perfectly
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two reasons. One, Lebron will get him more good three
looks than any garden the league. Secondly, when Lebron hits
the bench, Kyrie can playpoint. So two of the Lakers
issue is when Lebron sits, who runs the show Kyrie?
He gives them a scorer they need it. He gives
them an off ball player they need it. And to
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get Kyrie, you got to match salaries. Well guess what,
ad So this is a I think it works. There's
nothing perfect out there, right, Like there's no perfect trade
when you've got a declining a D and Westbrook. I
would argue neither works perfectly with Lebron anymore. As David
Fizdale said, we had the second most open three looks
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in the league. We just can't hit him. Yes, Kyrie
is not a versatile wing defender. You're not getting everything, Bro.
This isn't the Warriors, this isn't Milwaukee, this isn't the Celtics.
You haven't drafted and developed brilliantly. You're in a dire spot.
This move works for me, all right. So you know,
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as I've said before, I am done talking about Russell
Westbrook and Baker Mayfield. But the Browns Now are making
it official. According to Albert Brear, they are willing to
pay half of Baker mayfield salary now and that's a
big step. They have now gone from we're not paying
any of it to we're gonna pay half of it.
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One of the reasons the Browns are now in this position,
they are in with the two biggest newsmakers at quarterback
in the NFL, Noisy Baker Mayfield. They're moving off him.
It's a headline every week, and to Shaun Watson, who's
a headline virtually every day. Now. The reason they're there
is because they work from a position of desperation. You
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think an organization would have a plan if you're gonna
move off Baker Mayfield. Instead Cleveland went, let's get this
guy and worry about Baker later. Shocker, Cleveland miscalculated. But
this is what Cleveland does. This is what bad organizations do.
And there's about seven of these kind of teams franchises
in the NFL that you know they're just poorly run
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because they have bad ownership. The Jets, Shockingly, I would
have been surprised to say this ten years ago, but
I could say it today. The giants of the Texans,
the Cleveland Browns, the Detroit Lions, unfortunately, the Bears in
the great City of Chicago, Washington. It's kind of that,
you know Miami. I mean, they kind of were all
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hopeful with Miami. But it's Miami. It's Miami. They're being
sued by Brian Flores. It's Miami. There's about seven eight
teams in this league that just have poor ownership and
they draft at the top every other year. They can't
get it right. They run through coaches, they can't find
the right quarterback. And this is Cleveland's issue. The Deshaun
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Watson was going to go to Atlanta, and we all
thought it right, like it was the It was obvious
he's from the area, he liked Atlanta. They needed a quarterback.
And then Cleveland did what Cleveland does. They had no
plan on Baker. They guaranteed one hundred percent of the salary,
which is not what you do in the NFL. Tom
Brady doesn't get all of the salary guaranteed. Patrick Mahomes doesn't,
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Josh Allen doesn't, Lamar Kyrie Stafford. No, the Browns gave
DeShawn with twenty four pending suits, all of it. And
you can see why Cleveland would do it, right, It's Cleveland.
You can see how fear and panic works. They're sitting
in the room, Jimmy Haslam, Oh boy, Joe Burrows a star.
Oh oh, the Steelers don't have a quarterback, They're vulnerable.
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Lamar Jackson's a playmaker. We'll sign the deal fully guaranteed.
You can see how desperation and panic and fear work.
They've done it in multiple times. So here's now Cleveland
with the Deshaun Watson mess and finally willing Jimmy Haslam,
finally stubbornly willing to pay half of Baker. Pay all
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of it. Folks, you're gonna take an ell on Baker Mayfield.
In fact, I find him incredibly easy to root for. Today.
I actually feel bad for Baker Mayfield, the mess he's in,
and I think deep down Baker's laughing saying I told
you so. I told you it was a circus. But
don't worry about the degree of the LL. Just take
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the L right like sometimes it's a loss. You get
into a situation in life, in sports and business, in
a relationship, it's a loss. Stop worrying, fretting about the
degree of the L. Taken LL. Pay Baker's salary. You
paid a hundred percent guaranteed of Deshaun Watson's with twenty
four civil lawsuits. You can't take an L with Baker.
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He got you to the playoffs. Baker Major Newsworthy, sold jerseys, merchandise,
made you a lot of money, sold a lot of tickets.
Take an LL. You can just see Cleveland. We're not
gonna pay any of it. Okay, we'll pay half of it.
Pay all of it. Move him, so you can just
have one incredibly disruptive, newsmaking quarterback. All right. I had
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to talk Westbrook and Baker Mayfield, and that was not
my plan when I woke up this morning and drove
to work. You know, this Kyrie Irving story is Shaum's
a very good reporter. If he's reporting it, it's out there.
This is what we said. We thought k D needed
to go upstairs and say I can't work with this.
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I can't work with this. And I think this is
what's happening. And I think it's great for KD, it's
great for Brooklyn and potentially remember fit matters. Andrew Wiggins
didn't work for Minnesota anymore. Andrew Wiggins is great with
Golden State. Randy Moss wasn't working for the Raiders for
a brief time. He was great for the Patriots. Fit
matters Kyrie to Lebroun. At this point in Kyrie's career
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and Lebron's career, it actually fits. It actually works. Hey,
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usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more
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dayson Nowneaster not Ampacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one
and the iHeartRadio App. I generally always feel more sorry
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for somebody if they inherit a mess. I don't feel
as bad for people who create their own mess. But
Kevin Durant did, and I feel selfishly as a consumer
of great basketball. I feel bad for Katie. I love
watching him play. I think he's committed. I think his
decision making is an issue. I don't think his basketball
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is at all I think he's an unbelievable player. So
I had said I'll defend Kevin Durant on all the
basketball stuff. I think he's committed on the defensive end.
I think he's a great teammate. I think he's fun
to play with. I think the Warriors loved him. I
think they were shell shock when he left. But it's
his personality and this league is more than just Hey,
I like to hoop Magic Johnson got coaches fired. Lebron's
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built rosters like in Cleveland. If you think it's all
just about it's love the hoops. That's just for the
guys that don't win rings or don't matter. It's a business,
a billion dollar business. And I think Katie's decision making,
his inability to confront Draymond Green at the end in
Golden State, his inability to choose a better teammate than
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Kyrie Irving, who is erratic, his inability to understand how
good the culture and the coaching and the GMing was
in Golden State. So Charles Barkley was talking about KD
now that staff has won without him two different times.
And here's Charles Barkley on KAD before Katie gets that
great respect from all the old heads. He's gonna have
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to win a championship as a guy, as a bus driver. Listen,
he joined that team that already won a championship. So
no disrespect, that's just a fact. The old guys like myself, Hey,
Katie's an all time hell of a player. But until
he is de guy on its championship team, we're not
gonna ever give them their respects. I mean that he
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probably deserves. You know, I can disagree with that, but
I will say this. Brady and Lebron Tom Brady and
Lebron worked behind the scenes. They worked behind the scenes
as well as play football and basketball. Russell Wilson was
working behind the scenes in Seattle. It's not a coincidence
Russell Wilson ended up in Denver. He looked at that
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Denver receiving corps. He looked at their corners, their pass rushers,
he looked at their momentum with their smart GM Russell
Wilson told Seattle, get me to Denver. He had a
veto clause right. That's why Seattle didn't get as much
for the deal as they could have had it been
any team. Russell Wilson for a year like Brady and
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Lebroun worked behind the scenes. Kevin Durant can continue to say,
hey man, I'm just about ball. No you're not. You're not.
Be true to yourself, Be honest to yourself. If it
was just about ball, you'd have stayed in Golden State
because that was the place you could just ball. You
didn't have to be the tough guy, Draymond, you didn't
have to be the soul of the team, the leader,
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Steph Curry. You could just ball and you're left. So
stuff matters to you, KD. Be honest with yourself. Stuff
matters beyond it's just about ball. Now. The promising part
with KD is he's put his foot down on Kyrie
and that's why the net said Kyrie are an impass.
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But if you look at since the turn of the millennium,
look at our four dynasties, Warriors, Miami Heatles, Lakers with Kobe,
Spurs with Duncan, all four had the big guy at
the top, Steph Lebron, Kobe and Duncan. All four were
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totally unique personalities, totally unique games, but all four were
leaders in their own way. That's what KAD has to
graduate too. I don't want to hear about this. I'm
just a baller. You're too great of a player to
just be a baller. And it's not just about ball
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with you, because if it was, Golden State was perfect.
So I think this is a moment. I do not
believe Kad has to win a title as the guy
to get respect. I think he's respected as one of
the great shopmakers in league history. I contend he's the
only guy in league history that would beat Michael Jordan
in a game of one on one if they had
a tournament in the league. He doesn't need to get
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my respect, but he does need to be more of
a leader and embrace it if he wants to be
part of something special. He was with Golden State. It
was more than just basketball, or he wouldn't have left
the franchise. Joy with the news. No, no, this is
the herd line news. Well, it's officially NBA off season, yes,
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and it gets next four or five weeks you get
a lot of rumors. It's a really fun time. Now.
I will say the NBA postseason this year was incredible.
It was really fun. A lot of great storylines and
even throughout the second half of the regular season. There's
a lot going on. Yeah, This NBA off season fell
a little quiet last year. It was quiet last year.
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This is gonna be spicy, particularly broadly. Beale. Yes. So,
he has a thirty six point four million dollar player
option with the Wizards next season, but he could choose
to decline it and enter free agency. In an interview
with The Athletic, he said that he has made up
his mind about what he's going to do, but he
declined to share his plans. Oh, I love that out
of respects for his current contract. By the way, isn't
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that the best when you tell people listen, I've made
my mind up. I'm just not telling you. It's not
gonna tell you what I'm doing. It's great and he
deserves to be able to do that. He's not ready
talk about it. That's his choice. At an event this weekend,
when he was asked how he believes his situation will
play out, he said crazy, probably, and had admitted that
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many people have tried to recruit him. He did not
name any names, So I'm guessing Miami. He feels like.
That's what it feels like. Riley's a dealmaker. They need
what he'd provide. He is an elite scorer. He could stay.
You know, he played basketball Florida. I think he does regionally.
Maybe he likes some guys just like to play the East.
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I think that could be. I mean, Kobe always felt
like he loved the West right, and I feel like
Bradley Beale, he's gonna play in the East. Miami to
me fit now, I would told you Joy, my dark
horse is Milwaukee Middleton. For Beale feels interesting to me,
make the move when nobody expects it. Yeah, I don't know.
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I just want to keep speaking up Miami's that happens.
I mean, look, there's a lot of teams I'm sure
that have reached out. He said. A lot of teams
have reached out. Of course, and the fact that he
said it's going to play out crazy probably would, you know,
tend to make you think he's not staying right. That's
what you know, you would. This is what we're doing. No,
this is the NBA postseason offseason. We're gonna take everything
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we can, every bread come to try and put things together.
If he changed his teams, he'd be eligible to sign
a four year, one hundred and eighty two million dollars
max deal. That's a big difference than staying in Washington,
which would be five years, two hundred and forty five million. Yeah,
but he's turning twenty nine later this month. He's played
his entire career in Washington, averaging at least twenty two
points per game in each of the last six seasons,
and included a career high of thirty one point three
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points in the twenty twenty twenty one season. So he's
definitely still able to contribute at a very very high level,
especially and it's a good organization that's able to win now,
which I think you know, he's always been somebody who's
like loyalty. I'm saying here, I'm not going, but you know,
at different points in your life, you're allowed to change
your mind. Yep, we allow that to change what you're
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doing now. Obviously Washington fans wouldn't love to hear that,
but look, he's he's been very dedicated to that organization
and given them great play for many years. He's the
East Coast Damian Lillard that we were all suggesting he
should move elsewhere, And there's a loyalty factor with Beale
and Damian Lillard that is, by the way, we should
cove it. We should put our arms around. Sure, it's great.
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There's a lot of loyal guys and there's guys that
want to be mobile. Both are fine. I don't think
there're any less of a loyal person because you manage
your professional career in a way that benefits you. Yeah,
I don't. I don't intertwine the two. That's not what
loyalty is. So this is kind of an interesting situation.
Wayor's assistant Kenny Atkinson, had agreed to become the next
head coach of the Hornets. However, now he has changed
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his mind. Yeah, he will reportedly remain with Golden State
and become the team's top assistant next season. Yeah. Now,
he's already moved three times in three years. He's the
coach of the Nets and then became an assistant coach
with the Clippers and then Golden State. So could be
some personal reasons for this. It was a reportedly a
four year deal that he was offered. How about Steve
Kerr retiring? I now, I'm not saying next year. Yeah,
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I mean, I don't know. Steve has feels so I
know young. I just threw that out there. He does
feel young, but it's Steve Kerr has succeeded at every level.
If Steve Kerr had two more great years and he
moved off with Steph and Clay, it wouldn't shock me. Yeah,
or maybe he's you know, I mean this is pure
speculation since you just brought this up like i've Basically
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it's not nothing. But if he would I could see
Steve Kerr wanting to move into a front office type
of phosition where he's not on the grind having to
travel all the time. Joey, that's exactly right. Is Phil
Jackson got this? Phil's like, hey, can I parachute it
in the front office? It didn't work, but I mean
it would work with Steve Kerr. It would work with
Steve Kerr. He's done it before. I think Steve Kerr,
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I think his timing is amazing. When he left as
a broadcaster, he was a great Rocky. He was on
the number one team and he left and when he
was left as a GM, we're like, oh, you had
a good reputation. He is moved in positions of power,
He's not moved at a desperation um, And so I
could see Steve Kerr doing that two more years and
it was Steve's the kind of guy that he would
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not want to hand Kenny Atkins in a mess. Correct,
He's a good guy, like like I mean when I
look at Eric Spoelstra, he is a coach through and through.
That's what he does. Yes, with Kerr, I think fundamentally
he's played, he's managed, he's broadcast, and he's had success,
high level success. If you told me this is not
going to happen, if you told me in eight years
he was the commissioner, I'd be like, yeah, I could
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see that. I seriously, that's that's what I think about
with Steve Kerr. Yeah, you might be on something there.
I hadn't consider that was coaching. See Steve Kerr is
so young and energetic and obviously like they're rolling and
have this incredible amount of success, so it doesn't come
to mind. But you are right, he has pivoted before
and coaching is a lot and I mean, don't we
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I mean he's really moved into a elite group of
like pop of it. Nothing to prove, nothing, nothing. That's
why this championship also had a little a little extra
spice and sauce to it. It was like Okay, now
we're not having those conversations about about Steph anymore. This
Warrior's team as a dynasty, So yeah, I might be
on with something there. Now. As far as what Charlotte's
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gonna do. D'Antoni and Terry Stotts, we're in the final
grouping grouping of the process, so it might go to
one of them. They're gonna have to figure out what
they're going to do. It could also be with Kenny
Atkinson that maybe he's waiting for an opportunity to feels
is a little bit more stable. There are going to
be some positions that will be open next year. We
always are. I've talked about this before. I do not
understand the impatience in that industry. If you tomorrow just
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decided I want to take a year off and broadcast,
and you decided then I'm going to come back, would
you take the first offer, Like even broadcasters and we're
all nuts. Yeah, tend to be more patient than coaches.
I've seen so many smart coaches take such awful jobs. Well,
there's only so many of them, so you know, even
if it might be a bad job, there's only a
distinct amount of head coaching jobs in any of these leagues.
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So whether it's a bad job or not, sometimes you
don't have a choice. But I feel like if you
have the flexibility of being a top assistant with a
championship team, you can be a little bit more patient
about picking the right spot for you and your family.
But this isn't this what the Patriots did though, with
Josh McDaniels. They gave him this enormous assistant thing you're
gonna take over and and inn with Belichick showing no
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signs he's leaving. He waited for a great job. And
Derek Carr is there. That's about as good as you're
gonna get Derek Carr in great weapons in an offensive
pivoting league. Like I think city with a beautiful facility,
good revenues now, so I think they could have could
Joe Lacob said, Listen, if Kurr leaves, we promise you
the job. I'm not gonna guarantee he's gonna leave, but
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if he does, if I was Kitty Atkinson, I'd be like,
I'll take a three year I'll buy into that for
three years, right, make seven figure with Steph Curry and
then yeah, it's such a it's the best assistant's done it.
He's been a head coach, so he's gonna get he's
gonna get interviewed moving forward. As you know, there's turnover
around the league, as there always is, so petty wars
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are not over with Golden State. After winning the title,
Clay Thompson called out Jaron Jackson for tweeting strength in
numbers when the Grizzlies beat the Warriors earlier in the year.
I love this little rivalry. It's so fun. Well, Memphis
probably deep down thinks they're the next Golden State, and
some they could make a very good argument for it.
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I mean, Memphis is really deep, really talented, really well
coached with a guard as a driving force. Yeah, I mean,
so are they the next Golden State? Maybe? Well. John
Morant tweeted got a lot of real estate shortly after that,
hinting that Memphis lives rent free. In the Warriors heads yes,
and then Draymond and Jaw went back and forth. Draymond sweeted,
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we traded in that real estate. Jaw, the property value
was higher in Boston. I actually found out that it's
very expensive to live in Boston. I didn't know that, Like,
the rent is very high there. I I mean, I
guess it's a thing's expensive right now, so it didn't
surprise me. But yeah, it's like it's a very expensive
place to live anyway. So I went back and forth
on Twitter and Draymond hanted that he's going to have
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a little bit more of a conversation about this on
his podcast, like this is not over. But I do
love this rivalry and what's brewing there. It's it's good
to have a little back and forth. It's good to
have a little just a little bit of edginess two matchups.
That makes it fun for fans. It builds up the
anxiety leading into the game, and that's what that's what
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sports are about. So I'm okay with a little chippiness,
and I like it's between these two. No, I'm good.
Joy with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the Herd line. Colin Right, Colin Wrong,
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noon Easter not a Empacific. Almost as a rule, anybody
from Boston at some point in their lives is bitter.
I didn't make the rules up, It's just true. So
Ryan Russillo is one of the only Boston guys I've
ever met. But if the Patriots or Celtics lose, he
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doesn't go hide in his basement for a month. So
I'm watching the Celtics series and I'm like, I find
the Warriors as a dynasty and they're sometimes obnoxious. I
find him embraceable. I kind of like him. How does
it land for you as a Boston guy watching them
win again? I like Steff so much that seeing this
(29:55):
victory laugh that he gets and the recognition, and you know,
it was kind of silly, this whole finals MVP thing
where it's like, yeah, he's good, but I think, come on,
you know, and the twenty fifteen finals, you should have
won finals MVP anyway, So you know, Duran comes in.
I mean, he is everything you would want as the
face of your franchise in any sport. I mean serious.
If you go back the last you know, Duncan's obviously
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in the conversation, Brady be in the conversation, but when
we're looking at today's basketball star and the way I
think they're kind of detached from team. Like I don't
think the NBA has a lot of great partners at
times for the top players, because I get it, like
the empowerment movement leads to hey, I'm not wasting my time,
I'm calling my shot, and that's fine. I'm not even
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critical of that. But for Steph to be this kind
of partner for this organization, not demand to trade everybody
to ride this out, you could tell that this championship
meant more to this group, I think than any of
the four. Yeah, and that's why Steph was so emotional.
So you know, even as a Boston guy rooting for
the Celtics at the end of it, there was no
part of it where. And I also picked up Warriors
on the podcast too. So let's not kid ourselves, all
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the egomaniacs, and we want to be pred you know,
I said this when you're in a situation like the
labor Lakers, when they don't draft and develop, they're not Boston,
they're not Milwaukee, they're not patient. That Kyrie story with
the Brooklyn Nets today is interesting. Now. Kyrie has failed
in places, but he a he's not declining Ryan. He
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had his best three point shooting year ever. He's acknowledged Yep.
I screwed Cleveland up. I own it. I screwed it up.
They need size in Brooklyn, you know what I mean.
Like to me, if you're gonna go up against Janis
and embiid, I could make the argument just get Westbrook
out of it. Nobody truly wants that deal. They'll move
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him eventually. If you told me a D next to
k D and Kyrie the lebron and it serves a purpose.
I know it sounds smirky and ridiculous. It doesn't to me.
I could see the Lakers doing that because what they
have now is a mess. All right. First of all,
the Lakers are impatient because the entire city, the media,
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fan base, we demand that the Lakers do these things.
And by the way, the whole Anthony Davis thing, like
they still had a title two years ago. So I
know you don't like Anthony Davis. I think I come
on once every three or four months ago through it.
Right now, you're feeling really good about your position. I
get it. You know I felt better about mine before.
Here's the biggest difference with Kyrie and AD. Anthony Davis
actually still wants to play and be in your team.
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All right. He gets hurt and his value has never
been lower. And that's why I would try to ride
it out and see. I still think there's a second
act coming for Anthony Davis. This Kyrie stuff has been
going on five years, and I can see what you're doing.
You got together the research department, and you're like, way
best three point shooting season ever. Yeah, you started talking
yourself into this a little bit. One of the reasons
why he shot it so well is that stretch where
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he had that absurd scoring stretch. I think he played
one game in nine days and then another game once
in twelve games. Do you know how good you must
feel as an NBA player going all right, this is cool.
I'm playing almost more than look like more than a
week in between games. So I actually think his output
when people were talking about, like, look how great he
is and he's barely played, I think people missed the
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point on that. It was that he was incredibly fresh,
but we also realized how incredibly talented he is. But
Colin has been going on for five years. You want
to talk about partners, Kyrie's a bad partner five years.
That started at twenty five years old, where it was like, yeah,
a little indifferent to some of the stuff. He played
what one hundred and three or two hundred and sixteen
NETS games? This group has thirteen playoff games together, and
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so it starts it's going to start getting better at thirty.
The weird thing for the Nets here is that it's
asset management, right, it's trying. NBA teams always keep guys
they don't love because they're worried about losing the asset
slot because everybody's over the cap anyway, Whereas the Nets
are motivated to protect the asset. I don't know why
other teams would be so motivated to get in bed
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with him immediately when he's shown multiple seasons of not
quite being a guy you can bank on. Yeah, all right,
well I still like my position, but that's a certainly
way to see it. You do it no seriously, Like
you just straight up would say Anthony Davis out Kyrie
and if you were the Lakers. Yeah, And I don't
worry about Westbrook because you're not going to fix him.
Nobody really wants him. That's why he's gonna be on
his fifth team in five years. That's just like trying
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to solve Westbrook. That's a puzzle you can't solve. Let's
just get out of that business. We agree on that one. Like,
I'm so happy for Darvin him. If I read another article,
it's like he's gonna fix with like yeah, okay, all right, cool, Yeah,
so all right, well that's that's what's fun about this.
So my favorite player. I think we've talked about this before.
I love Bradley Beale, I have forever, but he's dame.
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He kind of feels a regional loyalty. He feels like,
you know, that's who he is. Man. I'm gonna be
good to my guys, but let's be honest, Lebron's wanted him.
His group of wanted him for years. Everybody wants Bradley Beale,
good guy, works hard, can shoot. Like everybody wants Bradley Beale.
He's expensive. Just give me something that works here. Because
he acknowledged this weekend, He's like, I've made up my
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mind and I've got a lot of suitors. I'm guessing
in Miami. I have no intel. What's your gut feeling.
My gut on this has been partially informed, which now
I think influences my Now, I'm not telling you I'm
super up to date. As he had just mentioned, I've
made my decision. I'm not going to tell you about it.
But I'd always heard that he was really happy where
he was, but the motivation might be about getting that
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five years and a max deal and then figuring out later,
which I think is what you've seen now. It's gone
from the shorter deals where the players thought, hey, I
look at all this leverage i'm gonna have if I
have a one year and a player option like Lebron
was doing that all the time, and now it's pivoted
in a way, I'll just take the four or five
years and then I'll ask for a trade. I mean,
we just had Ben Simmons asked for a trade with
four years left in the deal. So this is I
think the new part of this where the player acquires
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the contract extension and then figures out the rest of
it later instead of playing the game, which still has
some risk in there of going shorter deals feeling like
you have more freedom because the injury part of it. So,
you know, Bal is somebody that everybody would want, but
you'd have to figure out, Okay, who is he exactly?
Because if you have one really good player and then
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the rest of the roster isn't that good and you're
adding Beal, I think the reaction to it would kind
of overrate what that team really is because if he
were that special, Okay, he's a really good player, but
if he were that special, this organization would win more
games and they don't. So I like him. I think
he's nice, and as soon as that that contract is dry,
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you're gonna feel like, man, I owe this guy how much? Yeah? Finally,
I want to pivot back to the Celtics because I
said this, I don't when you verbalize stuff I said.
If Michael Jordan heard Jason Tatum say, I didn't call
myself a superstar. Jordan would be like, Okay, it's in him.
I'm gonna pull that out of him. That is in him.
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He's verbalizing it. And I said, I love Tatum, but
I'd make an argument there are these guys in the NBA.
They're unbelievably gifted, but they feel like twos. I think
you can win a title with Tatum as your guy,
But don't you think this morning a little bit of
why does he keep verbalizing all his doubt? I don't
love it? How does it land for you? As it's
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somebody who knows the team well and when he gets
when he does what he did a Game six against Milwaukee,
and you go, okay, all right, now, now we're talking
about somebody who has like one of these legacy building games,
like the same thing with joggetting forty seven against Golden
State in Game two of that series. You're like, all right.
And I do think all of us that love the
NBA are kind of obsessed and probably misguided at times
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about how much we're like wait a minute, because I
always love kind of thinking like who are my top
five guys. That's why I can be way too late
to something because I go, I gotta see it for
a couple of years before I start putting you in
this conversation where I think you're better than everybody other
than five guys. But when you talk about ones and twos,
like the list of ones is less than ten players
in the league. Yeah, it's always less than ten players.
Like we're always talking about, like, hey, in the draft
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coming up, could this guy be the number one player?
We're lucky to get one in a draft because I
don't think we have ten in the NBA. So, you know, Tatum,
despite now having three playoff runs in eighteen, twenty and
twenty two, the other one's coming up short to me,
weren't a big problem thought that he became. I don't
know if it was a little predictable offensively. I think
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he needs to get a little bit stronger, which he
will as he gets a little bit older. I don't
know if the shoulder was part of this, but him
is him hearing this is probably like the pushback to
It's way easier for me to just go all right.
I never said I was top five then saying your
top five after you get eliminated, because then you're just
gonna get destroyed on social media. So I actually think
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it was. It was intelligent. It was a good tactic
going how can I diffuse all this criticism and getting
right now? I'll just say like, hey, I'm going to
back off from the whole position. Ryan Rissilo, The Ringer,
the Ryan Rissilo Podcast. All right, yeah, I bore you
or something. Are you all right? It was kind of
a sigh there. It was almost like that was it
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was fun. I got through that sigh, which I never
feel with you. All Right, I'm going on a big
Caribbean vacation here in a week, and then when I
get back, I'll circle back and we'll hang out. I've
never been there, you know, that's kind of your territory,
so any give me a heads up on the Caribbean.
What should I know? Avoid all the casinos. Okay, that's
an easy one for me. That was easy. Yeah, that's
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exactly joy. Avoid the casinos. You'll come back and one
I know you like to ride bikes. I don't know
you're a big motorcycle guy. Yeah, just just obey the
local laws because traffic. Yeah, you'd a little confused that
left lane left turn thing. Whoa, Yeah, I got confused
with the right lane and our rules, Ryan Weselo all
the Ringer Ryan Weselo Podcast, Good Fee and your budd
(39:28):
All right, see it. See I I grew up, you know,
West Coast kid. I went to Hawaii and then as
an adult, you know, I do Mexico and would rather
do Mexico. It's closer. Two hour flight from like La
Hawaii's like a five hour flight. Didn't do Caribbean. When
I was back on the East Coast for ten years.
We did Disney. We did Orlando a lot. Because when
you got four year old, you're not gonna do Europe.
They're not gonna remember it, correct, And then you know,
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the Caribbean's fine. But that's kind of you know, you
drink and you gamble, and you I don't avoid the
casinos in the Caribbean. You go to them. Why not?
Well and lo money there? Well, I mean that's that's
the risk. But you can win money there. Oh boy,
that sounds like a problem going forward. That's what all
gamblers say. You can win money there. They those casinos
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keep getting bigger and popping up on every block. I
don't know. The Dollar Shave Club six razor blade noticeably
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(40:32):
Plenty of both in the last seven to ten days.
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where Colin was wrong. It's great to have you. Enjoy
Taylor joining me as oldwards. What'd you do this weekend?
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Just relax, you know, kind of enjoyed the Southern California's
start of summer. It's like the first weekend we've tad
where everywhere around the city is the same weather. Right,
there's a bunch different weathers in La. There's desert weather,
there's the beach weather, there's the city weather. And it
was beautiful all weekends. So I went to pickle Palooza.
That was fun pickle palooza. Yeah, I'm a big pickle
(01:08):
fan own Yeah, fun joy Taylor facts. Oh so I
went got some artist and pickles at the farmer's market
and that that was my weekend. You go exciting. Uh so,
that's interesting. Everybody needs a break in life, even the Lakers.
According to Seam Sharon, you're very good reporter at the
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Athletic that conversations between Kyrie Irving and the Brooklyn Nets
are going nowhere. It's had an impass. Now I've told
you before, Kad needed to put his foot down and
tell ownership Let's move Kyrie. You know, Let's get some
size on this team. Let's get somebody who's less flaky.
(01:50):
There's things the Brooklyn Nets need. What they don't need
is allousy defender who shows up occasionally and can be
brittle and can't defend. And so this is a very
interesting elopment. It's a huge break for the Lakers. Does
Rob Polinka, does the organization Genie Buss have the courage
forget Westbrook to move off? Anthony Davis, this is the moment.
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Think about it from the Net side. What do they
need in the East? Janis and bead. You need size,
You need size, Bam, how to buy you? Everybody in
the East, Robert Williams size don't need that as much
out West with the Warriors, small ball wins. Suns are
going to get rid of de Andrea Ayton. In the East,
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there's bigs. What do they need? Anthony Davis is a
big and a tremendous defender. In fact, increasingly I like
his defense better than his offense. Kevin Durant also goes
from flakey Kyrie to about the most chill dude in
the entire NBA. Anthony Davis, he grew up closer to
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the East than the West, won a championship in college Bubble.
Lebron privately frustrated with his lack of commitment. They get
a d What do the Lakers need? Lakers need shooters,
Lakers need somebody that can play off the ball and
when Lebron goes to the bench, can be point guard.
Too many people are worrying about Westbrook irrelevant contract is
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going to be up in a year. Lakers aren't interested
long term either as anybody else. That's why he's going
to be on his fifth team in five years. People
are just moving that lousy contract around the league. That's
what happens when you're signed a bad contract. People just
move your team to team to team to team. Westbrook's
not the factor here. The player that some in the
building in Los Angeles think is going to give them
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something he once had and he's not. Is ad it's over,
he's not committed. He's brittle, and he's declining. There's no
proof that Kyrie's declining. Kyrie's just flaky. But remember in
the last several months that Kyrie Irving had a breakthrough
and we talked about it on this show. He said
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he acknowledged the Lebron breakup was my fault. And that's
a real thing because what Lebron needs. David Fizdale, who
was a Laker assistant last year, was on our show
last week and he brought up a very interesting point
about Lebron James current game and his current need for
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this Laker team. Listen to this. The centerpiece of the
whole thing for me would be Lebron. I mean what
he did this year, thirty seven years old. If he
would have played two more games, he would have left
the league in scoring. He's really the today's NBA player
and the position list systems. He's again established himself at
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the top of that. I think the biggest thing that
they're really going to have to focus on is getting
some more youth in there, but guys that can really
guard multiple positions and that can also make make shots
when that ball is sprayed out. Because we generated the
second most quality threes this year. And that's not to
knock the guys that were shooting it, but just didn't
knock down enough of them. Boom, that's it. Lebron not
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only can lead the league in scoring still, but he
will create The Lakers didn't create those shots Lebron did.
Lebron is a brilliant passer, a Magic Johnson level passer
that will get you great three looks. A D's not
a three ballshooter. Westbrook's not a shooter, period. So Kyrie
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solves an issue, not all of them. You wish he
was a better defender, yeah you do. You wish a
D wasn't declining and was healthier right now. A D
gives a Lakers defense, all right, and I got him
a title in the bubble. He's not available, he's not
a shooter. He's a big that doesn't want to be
a big Kyrie is a shooter that wants to be
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a shooter. He's a score that wants to be a score.
He works with Lebron. I know he flamed out in Boston.
I know it's not working in Brooklyn. I know in
Cleveland he acknowledged it's my bad. That's the first step
in any problem. Hey, I screwed up. And by the way,
the Knicks, the Clippers, and the Lakers are all interested. Reportedly,
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according to the Athletic, they're all interested in Kyrie. Well,
what are the Lakers have? The Knicks and the Clippers
don't a star to give you back. A d would
be the best player. The Clippers can give you Norman
Powell and draft picks, and the Knicks can give you
an RJ. Barrett maybe in some other No, no, Lakers
can give you exactly what Brooklyn needs to make the
deal work. A star with a big contract who defends
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and has size in the East, where if you want
to win the East, you're gonna have to get through
Robert Williams Bama to Bayou Yannis Joel Embiide. Gotta have
some size. You can't ask Kay, You can't ask Kevin
Durant to play forty two minute to Garden Yannis. He
can do that, it's not fair to Kevin Durant. So
this will also illustrate something that's very important. How much
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power do the Lakers have? How much curR is Lebron
running the organization? Is Clutch Sports running the Organs Nation?
Because when you think of the Warriors, you don't think
Clutch Sports is running it. When you look at the
Celtics or the Bucks, you don't think Clutch Sports is
running And maybe Clutch Sports isn't running the Lakers. But
there is a feeling in Los Angeles and a feeling
around the league that Lebron and Clutch have a lot
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of power to step up big boy moment for rob
Polinka to step up moment. Lebron maybe wouldn't love the deal,
but I'll tell you this, You're not gonna get a
perfect team quickly with Lebron. There is no perfect team.
You got bad contracts, you have declining players. The idea
that you could get Kyrie Irving, who fits Lebron perfectly
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two reasons. One, Lebron will get him more good three
looks than any garden the league. Secondly, when Lebron hits
the bench, Kyrie can playpoint. So two of the Lakers
issue is when Lebron sits, who runs the show Kyrie?
He gives them a scorer they need it. He gives
them an off ball player they need it. And to
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get Kyrie, you got to match salaries. Well guess what,
ad So this is a I think it works. There's
nothing perfect out there, right, Like there's no perfect trade
when you've got a declining a D and Westbrook. I
would argue neither works perfectly with Lebron anymore. As David
Fizdale said, we had the second most open three looks
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in the league. We just can't hit him. Yes, Kyrie
is not a versatile wing defender. You're not getting everything, Bro.
This isn't the Warriors, this isn't Milwaukee, this isn't the Celtics.
You haven't drafted and developed brilliantly. You're in a dire spot.
This move works for me, all right. So you know,
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as I've said before, I am done talking about Russell
Westbrook and Baker Mayfield. But the Browns Now are making
it official. According to Albert Brear, they are willing to
pay half of Baker mayfield salary now and that's a
big step. They have now gone from we're not paying
any of it to we're gonna pay half of it.
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One of the reasons the Browns are now in this position,
they are in with the two biggest newsmakers at quarterback
in the NFL, Noisy Baker Mayfield. They're moving off him.
It's a headline every week, and to Shaun Watson, who's
a headline virtually every day. Now. The reason they're there
is because they work from a position of desperation. You
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think an organization would have a plan if you're gonna
move off Baker Mayfield. Instead Cleveland went, let's get this
guy and worry about Baker later. Shocker, Cleveland miscalculated. But
this is what Cleveland does. This is what bad organizations do.
And there's about seven of these kind of teams franchises
in the NFL that you know they're just poorly run
(09:50):
because they have bad ownership. The Jets, Shockingly, I would
have been surprised to say this ten years ago, but
I could say it today. The giants of the Texans,
the Cleveland Browns, the Detroit Lions, unfortunately, the Bears in
the great City of Chicago, Washington. It's kind of that,
you know Miami. I mean, they kind of were all
(10:10):
hopeful with Miami. But it's Miami. It's Miami. They're being
sued by Brian Flores. It's Miami. There's about seven eight
teams in this league that just have poor ownership and
they draft at the top every other year. They can't
get it right. They run through coaches, they can't find
the right quarterback. And this is Cleveland's issue. The Deshaun
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Watson was going to go to Atlanta, and we all
thought it right, like it was the It was obvious
he's from the area, he liked Atlanta. They needed a quarterback.
And then Cleveland did what Cleveland does. They had no
plan on Baker. They guaranteed one hundred percent of the salary,
which is not what you do in the NFL. Tom
Brady doesn't get all of the salary guaranteed. Patrick Mahomes doesn't,
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Josh Allen doesn't, Lamar Kyrie Stafford. No, the Browns gave
DeShawn with twenty four pending suits, all of it. And
you can see why Cleveland would do it, right, It's Cleveland.
You can see how fear and panic works. They're sitting
in the room, Jimmy Haslam, Oh boy, Joe Burrows a star.
Oh oh, the Steelers don't have a quarterback, They're vulnerable.
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Lamar Jackson's a playmaker. We'll sign the deal fully guaranteed.
You can see how desperation and panic and fear work.
They've done it in multiple times. So here's now Cleveland
with the Deshaun Watson mess and finally willing Jimmy Haslam,
finally stubbornly willing to pay half of Baker. Pay all
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of it. Folks, you're gonna take an ell on Baker Mayfield.
In fact, I find him incredibly easy to root for. Today.
I actually feel bad for Baker Mayfield, the mess he's in,
and I think deep down Baker's laughing saying I told
you so. I told you it was a circus. But
don't worry about the degree of the LL. Just take
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the L right like sometimes it's a loss. You get
into a situation in life, in sports and business, in
a relationship, it's a loss. Stop worrying, fretting about the
degree of the L. Taken LL. Pay Baker's salary. You
paid a hundred percent guaranteed of Deshaun Watson's with twenty
four civil lawsuits. You can't take an L with Baker.
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He got you to the playoffs. Baker Major Newsworthy, sold jerseys, merchandise,
made you a lot of money, sold a lot of tickets.
Take an LL. You can just see Cleveland. We're not
gonna pay any of it. Okay, we'll pay half of it.
Pay all of it. Move him, so you can just
have one incredibly disruptive, newsmaking quarterback. All right. I had
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to talk Westbrook and Baker Mayfield, and that was not
my plan when I woke up this morning and drove
to work. You know, this Kyrie Irving story is Shaum's
a very good reporter. If he's reporting it, it's out there.
This is what we said. We thought k D needed
to go upstairs and say I can't work with this.
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I can't work with this. And I think this is
what's happening. And I think it's great for KD, it's
great for Brooklyn and potentially remember fit matters. Andrew Wiggins
didn't work for Minnesota anymore. Andrew Wiggins is great with
Golden State. Randy Moss wasn't working for the Raiders for
a brief time. He was great for the Patriots. Fit
matters Kyrie to Lebroun. At this point in Kyrie's career
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and Lebron's career, it actually fits. It actually works. Hey,
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for somebody if they inherit a mess. I don't feel
as bad for people who create their own mess. But
Kevin Durant did, and I feel selfishly as a consumer
of great basketball. I feel bad for Katie. I love
watching him play. I think he's committed. I think his
decision making is an issue. I don't think his basketball
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is at all I think he's an unbelievable player. So
I had said I'll defend Kevin Durant on all the
basketball stuff. I think he's committed on the defensive end.
I think he's a great teammate. I think he's fun
to play with. I think the Warriors loved him. I
think they were shell shock when he left. But it's
his personality and this league is more than just Hey,
I like to hoop Magic Johnson got coaches fired. Lebron's
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built rosters like in Cleveland. If you think it's all
just about it's love the hoops. That's just for the
guys that don't win rings or don't matter. It's a business,
a billion dollar business. And I think Katie's decision making,
his inability to confront Draymond Green at the end in
Golden State, his inability to choose a better teammate than
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Kyrie Irving, who is erratic, his inability to understand how
good the culture and the coaching and the GMing was
in Golden State. So Charles Barkley was talking about KD
now that staff has won without him two different times.
And here's Charles Barkley on KAD before Katie gets that
great respect from all the old heads. He's gonna have
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to win a championship as a guy, as a bus driver. Listen,
he joined that team that already won a championship. So
no disrespect, that's just a fact. The old guys like myself, Hey,
Katie's an all time hell of a player. But until
he is de guy on its championship team, we're not
gonna ever give them their respects. I mean that he
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probably deserves. You know, I can disagree with that, but
I will say this. Brady and Lebron Tom Brady and
Lebron worked behind the scenes. They worked behind the scenes
as well as play football and basketball. Russell Wilson was
working behind the scenes in Seattle. It's not a coincidence
Russell Wilson ended up in Denver. He looked at that
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Denver receiving corps. He looked at their corners, their pass rushers,
he looked at their momentum with their smart GM Russell
Wilson told Seattle, get me to Denver. He had a
veto clause right. That's why Seattle didn't get as much
for the deal as they could have had it been
any team. Russell Wilson for a year like Brady and
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Lebroun worked behind the scenes. Kevin Durant can continue to say,
hey man, I'm just about ball. No you're not. You're not.
Be true to yourself, Be honest to yourself. If it
was just about ball, you'd have stayed in Golden State
because that was the place you could just ball. You
didn't have to be the tough guy, Draymond, you didn't
have to be the soul of the team, the leader,
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Steph Curry. You could just ball and you're left. So
stuff matters to you, KD. Be honest with yourself. Stuff
matters beyond it's just about ball. Now. The promising part
with KD is he's put his foot down on Kyrie
and that's why the net said Kyrie are an impass.
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But if you look at since the turn of the millennium,
look at our four dynasties, Warriors, Miami Heatles, Lakers with Kobe,
Spurs with Duncan, all four had the big guy at
the top, Steph Lebron, Kobe and Duncan. All four were
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totally unique personalities, totally unique games, but all four were
leaders in their own way. That's what KAD has to
graduate too. I don't want to hear about this. I'm
just a baller. You're too great of a player to
just be a baller. And it's not just about ball
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with you, because if it was, Golden State was perfect.
So I think this is a moment. I do not
believe Kad has to win a title as the guy
to get respect. I think he's respected as one of
the great shopmakers in league history. I contend he's the
only guy in league history that would beat Michael Jordan
in a game of one on one if they had
a tournament in the league. He doesn't need to get
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my respect, but he does need to be more of
a leader and embrace it if he wants to be
part of something special. He was with Golden State. It
was more than just basketball, or he wouldn't have left
the franchise. Joy with the news. No, no, this is
the herd line news. Well, it's officially NBA off season, yes,
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and it gets next four or five weeks you get
a lot of rumors. It's a really fun time. Now.
I will say the NBA postseason this year was incredible.
It was really fun. A lot of great storylines and
even throughout the second half of the regular season. There's
a lot going on. Yeah, This NBA off season fell
a little quiet last year. It was quiet last year.
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This is gonna be spicy, particularly broadly. Beale. Yes. So,
he has a thirty six point four million dollar player
option with the Wizards next season, but he could choose
to decline it and enter free agency. In an interview
with The Athletic, he said that he has made up
his mind about what he's going to do, but he
declined to share his plans. Oh, I love that out
of respects for his current contract. By the way, isn't
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that the best when you tell people listen, I've made
my mind up. I'm just not telling you. It's not
gonna tell you what I'm doing. It's great and he
deserves to be able to do that. He's not ready
talk about it. That's his choice. At an event this weekend,
when he was asked how he believes his situation will
play out, he said crazy, probably, and had admitted that
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many people have tried to recruit him. He did not
name any names, So I'm guessing Miami. He feels like.
That's what it feels like. Riley's a dealmaker. They need
what he'd provide. He is an elite scorer. He could stay.
You know, he played basketball Florida. I think he does regionally.
Maybe he likes some guys just like to play the East.
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I think that could be. I mean, Kobe always felt
like he loved the West right, and I feel like
Bradley Beale, he's gonna play in the East. Miami to
me fit now, I would told you Joy, my dark
horse is Milwaukee Middleton. For Beale feels interesting to me,
make the move when nobody expects it. Yeah, I don't know.
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I just want to keep speaking up Miami's that happens.
I mean, look, there's a lot of teams I'm sure
that have reached out. He said. A lot of teams
have reached out. Of course, and the fact that he
said it's going to play out crazy probably would, you know,
tend to make you think he's not staying right. That's
what you know, you would. This is what we're doing. No,
this is the NBA postseason offseason. We're gonna take everything
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we can, every bread come to try and put things together.
If he changed his teams, he'd be eligible to sign
a four year, one hundred and eighty two million dollars
max deal. That's a big difference than staying in Washington,
which would be five years, two hundred and forty five million. Yeah,
but he's turning twenty nine later this month. He's played
his entire career in Washington, averaging at least twenty two
points per game in each of the last six seasons,
and included a career high of thirty one point three
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points in the twenty twenty twenty one season. So he's
definitely still able to contribute at a very very high level,
especially and it's a good organization that's able to win now,
which I think you know, he's always been somebody who's
like loyalty. I'm saying here, I'm not going, but you know,
at different points in your life, you're allowed to change
your mind. Yep, we allow that to change what you're
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doing now. Obviously Washington fans wouldn't love to hear that,
but look, he's he's been very dedicated to that organization
and given them great play for many years. He's the
East Coast Damian Lillard that we were all suggesting he
should move elsewhere, And there's a loyalty factor with Beale
and Damian Lillard that is, by the way, we should
cove it. We should put our arms around. Sure, it's great.
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There's a lot of loyal guys and there's guys that
want to be mobile. Both are fine. I don't think
there're any less of a loyal person because you manage
your professional career in a way that benefits you. Yeah,
I don't. I don't intertwine the two. That's not what
loyalty is. So this is kind of an interesting situation.
Wayor's assistant Kenny Atkinson, had agreed to become the next
head coach of the Hornets. However, now he has changed
(22:38):
his mind. Yeah, he will reportedly remain with Golden State
and become the team's top assistant next season. Yeah. Now,
he's already moved three times in three years. He's the
coach of the Nets and then became an assistant coach
with the Clippers and then Golden State. So could be
some personal reasons for this. It was a reportedly a
four year deal that he was offered. How about Steve
Kerr retiring? I now, I'm not saying next year. Yeah,
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I mean, I don't know. Steve has feels so I
know young. I just threw that out there. He does
feel young, but it's Steve Kerr has succeeded at every level.
If Steve Kerr had two more great years and he
moved off with Steph and Clay, it wouldn't shock me. Yeah,
or maybe he's you know, I mean this is pure
speculation since you just brought this up like i've Basically
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it's not nothing. But if he would I could see
Steve Kerr wanting to move into a front office type
of phosition where he's not on the grind having to
travel all the time. Joey, that's exactly right. Is Phil
Jackson got this? Phil's like, hey, can I parachute it
in the front office? It didn't work, but I mean
it would work with Steve Kerr. It would work with
Steve Kerr. He's done it before. I think Steve Kerr,
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I think his timing is amazing. When he left as
a broadcaster, he was a great Rocky. He was on
the number one team and he left and when he
was left as a GM, we're like, oh, you had
a good reputation. He is moved in positions of power,
He's not moved at a desperation um, And so I
could see Steve Kerr doing that two more years and
it was Steve's the kind of guy that he would
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not want to hand Kenny Atkins in a mess. Correct,
He's a good guy, like like I mean when I
look at Eric Spoelstra, he is a coach through and through.
That's what he does. Yes, with Kerr, I think fundamentally
he's played, he's managed, he's broadcast, and he's had success,
high level success. If you told me this is not
going to happen, if you told me in eight years
he was the commissioner, I'd be like, yeah, I could
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see that. I seriously, that's that's what I think about
with Steve Kerr. Yeah, you might be on something there.
I hadn't consider that was coaching. See Steve Kerr is
so young and energetic and obviously like they're rolling and
have this incredible amount of success, so it doesn't come
to mind. But you are right, he has pivoted before
and coaching is a lot and I mean, don't we
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I mean he's really moved into a elite group of
like pop of it. Nothing to prove, nothing, nothing. That's
why this championship also had a little a little extra
spice and sauce to it. It was like Okay, now
we're not having those conversations about about Steph anymore. This
Warrior's team as a dynasty, So yeah, I might be
on with something there. Now. As far as what Charlotte's
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gonna do. D'Antoni and Terry Stotts, we're in the final
grouping grouping of the process, so it might go to
one of them. They're gonna have to figure out what
they're going to do. It could also be with Kenny
Atkinson that maybe he's waiting for an opportunity to feels
is a little bit more stable. There are going to
be some positions that will be open next year. We
always are. I've talked about this before. I do not
understand the impatience in that industry. If you tomorrow just
(25:40):
decided I want to take a year off and broadcast,
and you decided then I'm going to come back, would
you take the first offer, Like even broadcasters and we're
all nuts. Yeah, tend to be more patient than coaches.
I've seen so many smart coaches take such awful jobs. Well,
there's only so many of them, so you know, even
if it might be a bad job, there's only a
distinct amount of head coaching jobs in any of these leagues.
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So whether it's a bad job or not, sometimes you
don't have a choice. But I feel like if you
have the flexibility of being a top assistant with a
championship team, you can be a little bit more patient
about picking the right spot for you and your family.
But this isn't this what the Patriots did though, with
Josh McDaniels. They gave him this enormous assistant thing you're
gonna take over and and inn with Belichick showing no
(26:23):
signs he's leaving. He waited for a great job. And
Derek Carr is there. That's about as good as you're
gonna get Derek Carr in great weapons in an offensive
pivoting league. Like I think city with a beautiful facility,
good revenues now, so I think they could have could
Joe Lacob said, Listen, if Kurr leaves, we promise you
the job. I'm not gonna guarantee he's gonna leave, but
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if he does, if I was Kitty Atkinson, I'd be like,
I'll take a three year I'll buy into that for
three years, right, make seven figure with Steph Curry and
then yeah, it's such a it's the best assistant's done it.
He's been a head coach, so he's gonna get he's
gonna get interviewed moving forward. As you know, there's turnover
around the league, as there always is, so petty wars
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are not over with Golden State. After winning the title,
Clay Thompson called out Jaron Jackson for tweeting strength in
numbers when the Grizzlies beat the Warriors earlier in the year.
I love this little rivalry. It's so fun. Well, Memphis
probably deep down thinks they're the next Golden State, and
some they could make a very good argument for it.
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I mean, Memphis is really deep, really talented, really well
coached with a guard as a driving force. Yeah, I mean,
so are they the next Golden State? Maybe? Well. John
Morant tweeted got a lot of real estate shortly after that,
hinting that Memphis lives rent free. In the Warriors heads yes,
and then Draymond and Jaw went back and forth. Draymond sweeted,
(27:48):
we traded in that real estate. Jaw, the property value
was higher in Boston. I actually found out that it's
very expensive to live in Boston. I didn't know that, Like,
the rent is very high there. I I mean, I
guess it's a thing's expensive right now, so it didn't
surprise me. But yeah, it's like it's a very expensive
place to live anyway. So I went back and forth
on Twitter and Draymond hanted that he's going to have
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a little bit more of a conversation about this on
his podcast, like this is not over. But I do
love this rivalry and what's brewing there. It's it's good
to have a little back and forth. It's good to
have a little just a little bit of edginess two matchups.
That makes it fun for fans. It builds up the
anxiety leading into the game, and that's what that's what
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sports are about. So I'm okay with a little chippiness,
and I like it's between these two. No, I'm good.
Joy with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
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noon Easter not a Empacific. Almost as a rule, anybody
from Boston at some point in their lives is bitter.
I didn't make the rules up, It's just true. So
Ryan Russillo is one of the only Boston guys I've
ever met. But if the Patriots or Celtics lose, he
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doesn't go hide in his basement for a month. So
I'm watching the Celtics series and I'm like, I find
the Warriors as a dynasty and they're sometimes obnoxious. I
find him embraceable. I kind of like him. How does
it land for you as a Boston guy watching them
win again? I like Steff so much that seeing this
(29:55):
victory laugh that he gets and the recognition, and you know,
it was kind of silly, this whole finals MVP thing
where it's like, yeah, he's good, but I think, come on,
you know, and the twenty fifteen finals, you should have
won finals MVP anyway, So you know, Duran comes in.
I mean, he is everything you would want as the
face of your franchise in any sport. I mean serious.
If you go back the last you know, Duncan's obviously
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in the conversation, Brady be in the conversation, but when
we're looking at today's basketball star and the way I
think they're kind of detached from team. Like I don't
think the NBA has a lot of great partners at
times for the top players, because I get it, like
the empowerment movement leads to hey, I'm not wasting my time,
I'm calling my shot, and that's fine. I'm not even
(30:38):
critical of that. But for Steph to be this kind
of partner for this organization, not demand to trade everybody
to ride this out, you could tell that this championship
meant more to this group, I think than any of
the four. Yeah, and that's why Steph was so emotional.
So you know, even as a Boston guy rooting for
the Celtics at the end of it, there was no
part of it where. And I also picked up Warriors
on the podcast too. So let's not kid ourselves, all
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the egomaniacs, and we want to be pred you know,
I said this when you're in a situation like the
labor Lakers, when they don't draft and develop, they're not Boston,
they're not Milwaukee, they're not patient. That Kyrie story with
the Brooklyn Nets today is interesting. Now. Kyrie has failed
in places, but he a he's not declining Ryan. He
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had his best three point shooting year ever. He's acknowledged Yep.
I screwed Cleveland up. I own it. I screwed it up.
They need size in Brooklyn, you know what I mean.
Like to me, if you're gonna go up against Janis
and embiid, I could make the argument just get Westbrook
out of it. Nobody truly wants that deal. They'll move
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him eventually. If you told me a D next to
k D and Kyrie the lebron and it serves a purpose.
I know it sounds smirky and ridiculous. It doesn't to me.
I could see the Lakers doing that because what they
have now is a mess. All right. First of all,
the Lakers are impatient because the entire city, the media,
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fan base, we demand that the Lakers do these things.
And by the way, the whole Anthony Davis thing, like
they still had a title two years ago. So I
know you don't like Anthony Davis. I think I come
on once every three or four months ago through it.
Right now, you're feeling really good about your position. I
get it. You know I felt better about mine before.
Here's the biggest difference with Kyrie and AD. Anthony Davis
actually still wants to play and be in your team.
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All right. He gets hurt and his value has never
been lower. And that's why I would try to ride
it out and see. I still think there's a second
act coming for Anthony Davis. This Kyrie stuff has been
going on five years, and I can see what you're doing.
You got together the research department, and you're like, way
best three point shooting season ever. Yeah, you started talking
yourself into this a little bit. One of the reasons
why he shot it so well is that stretch where
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he had that absurd scoring stretch. I think he played
one game in nine days and then another game once
in twelve games. Do you know how good you must
feel as an NBA player going all right, this is cool.
I'm playing almost more than look like more than a
week in between games. So I actually think his output
when people were talking about, like, look how great he
is and he's barely played, I think people missed the
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point on that. It was that he was incredibly fresh,
but we also realized how incredibly talented he is. But
Colin has been going on for five years. You want
to talk about partners, Kyrie's a bad partner five years.
That started at twenty five years old, where it was like, yeah,
a little indifferent to some of the stuff. He played
what one hundred and three or two hundred and sixteen
NETS games? This group has thirteen playoff games together, and
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so it starts it's going to start getting better at thirty.
The weird thing for the Nets here is that it's
asset management, right, it's trying. NBA teams always keep guys
they don't love because they're worried about losing the asset
slot because everybody's over the cap anyway, Whereas the Nets
are motivated to protect the asset. I don't know why
other teams would be so motivated to get in bed
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with him immediately when he's shown multiple seasons of not
quite being a guy you can bank on. Yeah, all right,
well I still like my position, but that's a certainly
way to see it. You do it no seriously, Like
you just straight up would say Anthony Davis out Kyrie
and if you were the Lakers. Yeah, And I don't
worry about Westbrook because you're not going to fix him.
Nobody really wants him. That's why he's gonna be on
his fifth team in five years. That's just like trying
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to solve Westbrook. That's a puzzle you can't solve. Let's
just get out of that business. We agree on that one. Like,
I'm so happy for Darvin him. If I read another article,
it's like he's gonna fix with like yeah, okay, all right, cool, Yeah,
so all right, well that's that's what's fun about this.
So my favorite player. I think we've talked about this before.
I love Bradley Beale, I have forever, but he's dame.
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He kind of feels a regional loyalty. He feels like,
you know, that's who he is. Man. I'm gonna be
good to my guys, but let's be honest, Lebron's wanted him.
His group of wanted him for years. Everybody wants Bradley Beale,
good guy, works hard, can shoot. Like everybody wants Bradley Beale.
He's expensive. Just give me something that works here. Because
he acknowledged this weekend, He's like, I've made up my
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mind and I've got a lot of suitors. I'm guessing
in Miami. I have no intel. What's your gut feeling.
My gut on this has been partially informed, which now
I think influences my Now, I'm not telling you I'm
super up to date. As he had just mentioned, I've
made my decision. I'm not going to tell you about it.
But I'd always heard that he was really happy where
he was, but the motivation might be about getting that
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five years and a max deal and then figuring out later,
which I think is what you've seen now. It's gone
from the shorter deals where the players thought, hey, I
look at all this leverage i'm gonna have if I
have a one year and a player option like Lebron
was doing that all the time, and now it's pivoted
in a way, I'll just take the four or five
years and then I'll ask for a trade. I mean,
we just had Ben Simmons asked for a trade with
four years left in the deal. So this is I
think the new part of this where the player acquires
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the contract extension and then figures out the rest of
it later instead of playing the game, which still has
some risk in there of going shorter deals feeling like
you have more freedom because the injury part of it. So,
you know, Bal is somebody that everybody would want, but
you'd have to figure out, Okay, who is he exactly?
Because if you have one really good player and then
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the rest of the roster isn't that good and you're
adding Beal, I think the reaction to it would kind
of overrate what that team really is because if he
were that special, Okay, he's a really good player, but
if he were that special, this organization would win more
games and they don't. So I like him. I think
he's nice, and as soon as that that contract is dry,
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you're gonna feel like, man, I owe this guy how much? Yeah? Finally,
I want to pivot back to the Celtics because I
said this, I don't when you verbalize stuff I said.
If Michael Jordan heard Jason Tatum say, I didn't call
myself a superstar. Jordan would be like, Okay, it's in him.
I'm gonna pull that out of him. That is in him.
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He's verbalizing it. And I said, I love Tatum, but
I'd make an argument there are these guys in the NBA.
They're unbelievably gifted, but they feel like twos. I think
you can win a title with Tatum as your guy,
But don't you think this morning a little bit of
why does he keep verbalizing all his doubt? I don't
love it? How does it land for you? As it's
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somebody who knows the team well and when he gets
when he does what he did a Game six against Milwaukee,
and you go, okay, all right, now, now we're talking
about somebody who has like one of these legacy building games,
like the same thing with joggetting forty seven against Golden
State in Game two of that series. You're like, all right.
And I do think all of us that love the
NBA are kind of obsessed and probably misguided at times
(37:21):
about how much we're like wait a minute, because I
always love kind of thinking like who are my top
five guys. That's why I can be way too late
to something because I go, I gotta see it for
a couple of years before I start putting you in
this conversation where I think you're better than everybody other
than five guys. But when you talk about ones and twos,
like the list of ones is less than ten players
in the league. Yeah, it's always less than ten players.
Like we're always talking about, like, hey, in the draft
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coming up, could this guy be the number one player?
We're lucky to get one in a draft because I
don't think we have ten in the NBA. So, you know, Tatum,
despite now having three playoff runs in eighteen, twenty and
twenty two, the other one's coming up short to me,
weren't a big problem thought that he became. I don't
know if it was a little predictable offensively. I think
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he needs to get a little bit stronger, which he
will as he gets a little bit older. I don't
know if the shoulder was part of this, but him
is him hearing this is probably like the pushback to
It's way easier for me to just go all right.
I never said I was top five then saying your
top five after you get eliminated, because then you're just
gonna get destroyed on social media. So I actually think
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it was. It was intelligent. It was a good tactic
going how can I diffuse all this criticism and getting
right now? I'll just say like, hey, I'm going to
back off from the whole position. Ryan Rissilo, The Ringer,
the Ryan Rissilo Podcast. All right, yeah, I bore you
or something. Are you all right? It was kind of
a sigh there. It was almost like that was it
(38:45):
was fun. I got through that sigh, which I never
feel with you. All Right, I'm going on a big
Caribbean vacation here in a week, and then when I
get back, I'll circle back and we'll hang out. I've
never been there, you know, that's kind of your territory,
so any give me a heads up on the Caribbean.
What should I know? Avoid all the casinos. Okay, that's
an easy one for me. That was easy. Yeah, that's
(39:07):
exactly joy. Avoid the casinos. You'll come back and one
I know you like to ride bikes. I don't know
you're a big motorcycle guy. Yeah, just just obey the
local laws because traffic. Yeah, you'd a little confused that
left lane left turn thing. Whoa, Yeah, I got confused
with the right lane and our rules, Ryan Weselo all
the Ringer Ryan Weselo Podcast, Good Fee and your budd
(39:28):
All right, see it. See I I grew up, you know,
West Coast kid. I went to Hawaii and then as
an adult, you know, I do Mexico and would rather
do Mexico. It's closer. Two hour flight from like La
Hawaii's like a five hour flight. Didn't do Caribbean. When
I was back on the East Coast for ten years.
We did Disney. We did Orlando a lot. Because when
you got four year old, you're not gonna do Europe.
They're not gonna remember it, correct, And then you know,
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the Caribbean's fine. But that's kind of you know, you
drink and you gamble, and you I don't avoid the
casinos in the Caribbean. You go to them. Why not?
Well and lo money there? Well, I mean that's that's
the risk. But you can win money there. Oh boy,
that sounds like a problem going forward. That's what all
gamblers say. You can win money there. They those casinos
(40:12):
keep getting bigger and popping up on every block. I
don't know. The Dollar Shave Club six razor blade noticeably
smooth shave steel blades for swift hair removal. Dollar Shave
Club raisers are sold at Dollar Shave club dot com
or in stores. We call it Colin right, Colin wrong,
(40:32):
Plenty of both in the last seven to ten days.
That's kicking off our number two Live in Los Angeles
hits the herte I. Yeah.
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