Jenkins and Jonez - Steve A. Smith and Russell Westbrook Have Some Thinking To Do

The guys discuss 110 episodes of Joe Rogan’s podcast being taken off Spotify, Steve A. Smith and Kevin Durant’s latest beef, Russell Westbrook being booed by Lakers fans, Ja Morant making the Grizzlies the most fun team in the league, how to steal a gold cube from Central Park, and much more. 

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(01:47):
Welcome to Jenkins and Jones on the Volume podcast Network.
It is Monday, February seventh, and as always, Jenkins and
Jones as hosted by my good friends Dragonfly Jones A Tyler. Hey,
everybody of a day. The Jethro Jenkins aka John was
at Bubbas and it's not Sunday. It's fun. I mean,
it's not Monday. It's Sunday at seven am, and we

(02:08):
tired as a motherfucker. I appreciate you. I appreciate you
giving that piece of context, but I had to let
people know that's how early we're waking up to try
and break Joe Rogan's record for you jumping in my No,
I'm the scorekeeper. I'm just I'm the person that gat

(02:28):
his book of world record sends to make sure that
the tally is correct. Um. I couldn't believe that, Like
I could believe that he got in trouble for saying
the N word on his podcast. I couldn't believe that
there was a compilation of him saying it that was
super clause and a fucking super cut sax Snyder's super cut.

(02:49):
And I read last night Spotify removed a hundred and
ten episodes of his podcast. I heard seventy last time
didn't Jump. Were their new in word discoveries, the Inward
test team that has been working so diligently the last
few days were Spotify uncover some hidden inward Jim fifty

(03:13):
more fifty more said one hundred and twenty, Hey, bro,
and what's craziest in that video? There was no context.
It was just nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger. Three minutes of that.
That's insane. That's insane. Uh And and you know, one
hundred million for that man. You know, of course, of course,

(03:33):
the brokers are like, well, you know, he's saying it
out of context. Bro, there's no context in which you
ever need to say that word. You know what I'm saying,
There is zero you inward. It's saying inward is just
fine for those situations, Bro, you know what I'm saying.
And Joe Rogan made a you know, apology video where
he ran with for like six minutes and he basically
said the same thing. So you know, I'm not at
all like hats off to him for saying that motherfucker
you should have never said it to begin with, you

(03:54):
feel me? In twenty twenty two, we still have to
say there's no context for a white person to say
that shit. If you were not a nigga, just don't
say it. We still gotta say that shit, like like
people are still not only they're coming with that defense
as if like, bro, we already told you this nigga nigger,

(04:19):
it makes no sense. Yeah, I don't know. Tyler mentioned
last night we were talking about in the group chat,
like if we were talking about um, someone using a
homophobic slur, we would say we would we would just
wouldn't say the word, right. I mean, like it's not
that difficult. You don't need to say like, oh, it's
a context of this, or we're talking about this. It's
just not that difficult to not say it. It's really

(04:40):
just not that difficult. So I don't say any racial
epithets in our mind. I don't even say the SAW team.
I don't say the other word that is can be used.
I don't. I don't use any racial epithets in our mind.
It's very easy. You don't crackers not as bad or
even a racial epithet. But I just don't say it

(05:03):
because I don't need to. I have nigga right, like
you know what I'm saying. When you have nigga, like
you know, I'm good, you feel me. I'm not going
back to the project gem Bro. I love that word.
It's my favorite word. I don't need nothing else. Y'all
can have everything else, and that's more than enough. It's
so multipurpose right, like it fits so much. But you know,

(05:23):
the whole thing with with you know, white people not
wanting Black people to have that word, it just stems
to them just flat out thinking that, you know, not
respecting the boundaries of black people because you don't see
this happen with with other, with other, you know, slurs
that have been repurposed and uses to the terms of endearmy.
You don't see white people asking for the right to
use the F word with the gay community, like you know,

(05:44):
some of them use it endearingly. You don't see white
people asking, you know, why can't they call women, you know,
the B word, because women call themselves that endearingly. But
when it comes to nigga, they're like, no, we all
words are for everybody. If you we can't use it,
nobody can use it. And fuck that motherfucker's just plays
stupid when it comes to this ship and black people, right,
you can't tell white people, and especially like a Joe

(06:05):
Rogan type of white person, you can't tell him you're
not allowed to do something. It's the it's the not allowed,
you know what I mean. It's like that sets off
some fucking alarm bell in people's head. So anyway, really
tough day to be a podcaster, I guess Rogan. And
he's still gonna get paid because the numbers still dumb,
like it's just wild, and people still listen to this

(06:27):
man to the to the level that they listen to
him you know what I mean. But I guess that
crowd wouldn't give a fuck if he was saying, nigga,
that's the crowd like you said that are defending it,
you know what I mean. So Joe Rogan has to
be smarted. The prestine reputations of podcasters. It's a tough day.
Hard to get up and go to the salt mines today.
You know, let's try to out niggah. Yeah, here we are.

(06:52):
We set the alarms. You know, we're up early. We're
coming probably seventeen. We're coming from the crown. Jenkins and
Jones is coming from getting there for the title belt
on the real shit. John might hit seventy an episode,
But but John Kin hit seventy an episode. That's the
whole point of this shit. We we we should do that.
Let's make a fu super cuts to counteract, you know

(07:18):
what I mean? Shit, Oh lord, we set the universe, niggaz.
That's eighteen. Let's talk about Kevin Durant and Stephen A.
Smith and Miss Wanda got involved this morning, which is
when it turns serious. Stephen A. Smith on some fairly

(07:39):
typical Stephen A. Smith. Shit. U saw the news that
the Nets might be on the verge of imploding and said,
in a very podcast type of way, stephen A. Smith
the original hot take sports podcaster in my brain, even
more so than Skip, he said, the godfather, the hot father. Mike,

(08:02):
did you say it? He said, If the Nets do
not win a championship, Kevin Durant is on the verge
for being recognized more so for the guy that left
Steph Curry to go with Kyrie Irving than he is
for the two chips and two finals MVPs. Kade responded with,
and I love this egregious as stephen A try to

(08:27):
quote tweet it and and do some like you know,
it is egregious, but that's what's gonna happen. I'm not
saying I like it, but that's what's gonna happen. And
then Kadi quote tweeted him today and said this is
actually the biggest insult he could have said. He said, Steve,
since you decided to use he called Steve to open

(08:48):
the tweetie. He said, Steve, I feel like there's a
big difference between a Steve and a Steven. You know,
he's Steve Stephen Bro Those are different Stevens. They're not Steve. Yeah,
but you would not call Stephen King Steve King. Bro No,
I'm saying, but he's I never thought, Katie, I've never

(09:11):
met a black Steve. I know a couple black steps,
a couple of black steven I've never met a black
Steve Steve. Since you decided to use ESPN to push
your personal agendas, I'm sure your minions will run with
this story for you. But if you believe this is
what my career is defined by it, then you just
a flat out hater. It's gonna be hard to box
the god in. And then is mom responded to Stephen A. Smith,

(09:35):
Miss Wanda said, you're at it again with your limited thinking,
negative narrative baiting comments. When will you show up better?
More importantly, when will you grow tired of this foolishness,
to which Stephen A. Smith responded, yes, ma'am, I'm sorry
with three exclamation points. And that's that's the exact way
you respond to a black mama telling you to do better.

(09:56):
You don't push back on that issues, yes, ma'am, and
you keep it movements. You know, Stephen, you know props
in for that. But um, Stephen, he's bothering on this
I don't think it's gonna be jokes that he left,
you know, you know, the well run Warriors organization for
this fucking dysfunctional dumpster fire of the Nets. Of course
it's gonna be jokes. It's not gonna be some career
defining shit. When you think of, you know, KD, you're

(10:17):
gonna think of, you know, a seven foot, one of
one unicorn, greatest score we've ever seen. Perhaps that's what
you're gonna think about. You're not gonna be like, oh,
he fucked his old legacy up when he went to
the Nets. Now, I don't think anyone's gonna think that, Tyler.
You said everything. I mean, that's exactly what you think.
I think it's ridiculous that Steven, I mean, what what

(10:39):
what Steve? Steve? I think it's I think it's I
don't Steven say that we saw him come back from
the injury and be in the MVP conversation injury that
we were wonder if we were gonna if we would
be anywhere close we were if he was eighty percent,
we'd be shocked. Last year in the playoffs might have
been the best basketball we've see from KAD. You know what,

(11:01):
I mean, if they don't win in guys, shit to
do with Katie my nigga, Katie be Katie and like
a motherfucker you feel, I'm saying, like you said, the
best score we've ever seen. I mean, there might be
some jokes while he's playing actor, he's playing anybody's gonna
be talking about No are there any athletes whose careers
are defined by a free agency move? That's what I
was trying to think. I mean, Broun obviously his free

(11:22):
agency has been such a big deal a couple of
different times, but no one, no one's gonna think about
him going. No one's gonna think about the like the
decision is the most famous free agent moment of all time.
That's not in your top five bron moments. Like, I
just I don't think there's anyone like you. Gotta be
a real sports take nerd to even have a free
agency move anywhere in the top of your list, Like

(11:43):
we think about people playing sports when we remember them
because that's what we're watching, right. I think because of
the people that love Steph and they try to ship
on Kadie, there will be people to say that if
the Steve fuck, it's permeated my fucking skulge. Even I'm

(12:06):
going to call Stephen Steve, you know what I mean. Anyway,
if Steph wins a chip, there'll be a lot of
people saying that Katie couldn't win without Steph, because we
always say that Katie was the best player in the team.
I think they'll be There will be Warriors fans saying that.
But that's about it. I have friends, those are nerds,
friends who are words, who are huge Steve Curry fans,

(12:27):
And when they talk about Katie, but they're they're not
the Twitter ones, you know when they when they when
those are are those real people. Bro are the lodest
ones online, but the loudest ones in the arena when
they think about Kad, are gonna remember a championship parade
with Kad in it? You know what I mean? If
Braun leaves the Lakers before I'm ready for him to
leave the Lakers, I would just be super grateful that

(12:48):
in the middle of the horrible ass pandemic, I got
to celebrate a Lakers championship with Broun with my kid.
You know what I mean. Yeah, I'm not I'm not.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying those that
those will be the only those people, the people that
have something to say, but like also fucked up, you
know what I mean. I don't would not say those
people have shaped basketball narrative other than driving KD out
of Golden State. But that's a completely different conversation. So

(13:11):
if you've watched Kadie played basketball, you know what I mean.
I do think there is an interesting discussion here though,
about how Kd's rings have not made him bulletproof, like
rings have made a lot of players right like Jannis
last year, He's bulletproof forever off that ring. You know
what I mean. I don't think you know we we've
seen the ring move, rings move the needle on players

(13:32):
so many times, Like the ring move the needle for
Steff in two thousand and fifteen, you know what I'm saying,
The needle move for Wade in two thousand and six,
It moved for look at Dirk, and move for Dirk
in two thousand and eleven, and move for fucking you know,
Kobe going back to back without Shack in two thousand
and nine. Two thousands and times. I don't think the
needle really moved for KD with those two rings, because
it's like, bro, what did you overcome? You know what

(13:54):
I mean? You went to the greatest regular season team
of all time, you linked up with Steph to become
for the greatest duo we've ever seen, and you guys
ran off two rings and you know we're not you.
We can never take the rings from you. But like
I said, I don't know if that really moved the
needed for Katie. I don't think Katie showed us anything
we didn't already know during those championship years. So I
think that's interesting. I shouldn't have there. But you know,

(14:16):
the ship Steven as On, he's wild with that twenty
seventeen he was the best player in the fucking world,
and it was obvious at that in that moment in
that finals he was in. I mean, Brian still average
of Troople double, but Kady was. Every time you at
the ball, it was buckets, right, you know what I mean? Like,
I think, other than what's been went on in that
last playoffs, that might been the best we've seen them

(14:37):
and nobody, nobody, like you said, it didn't move anybody,
and it shouldn't. It shouldn't, you know what I mean
the rings that the people you talked about, you know,
for for um way to win that ring at that
young take over that team, you know what I'm saying.
And I think he beat Dirt that was like what
they were first in the West that year, you know
what I mean, Like dog, that was incredible. What Steph

(14:59):
did against the I mean the beat up as Calves,
that was shocking stuff, you know what I'm saying, stuff
that ring and it was like, yeah, he's and he's
one of those guys for real, now, you know what
I mean? For so for so in the next year,
he's he proved that he just put his foot down
and you know what I'm saying. In the finals, it
didn't happen the way he wanted to. But then the
during the year he was going crazy, you feel me, so,
like you know, Dirk was just like that that ring

(15:21):
they got was crazy beating the fucking uh he There's
no way that the rings that Katie got should put
him in that in that in the same place that
put those other people, I think, you know, I mean,
as far as a player, he's a better player, but
those rings don't mean nowhere near as much, you know
what I mean? If there's an offshore aspect of Kad
that will outlast his playing career. In my mind, it's

(15:42):
had nothing to do with free agency. It's the fact
that he's such a fascinating person to me, that he
has made his decisions like someone who does not care
about that the things you're talking about. But he is
also then admitted, by having these conversations publicly with Steve Smith,
that he does care about it, that it does bother
him when people go on ESPN and and say stupid

(16:04):
shit about him. Bothers him when I'm a random guy
on Twitter goes online, it says some stupid shit about him.
So we've talked about this a number of times. I
totally I like that. I think everyone is that way,
and a lot of people are. You know, I've gotten
good at kind of pretending they're not that way. But
someone said about was it someone said about about jay Z?
Jay Z can't be on Twitter because he's the most

(16:25):
sensitive human being in the world. What does that man
have to be sensitive about? Right? But that's just the
way the human brain is wired. It thinks someone saying
something bad about you online is a leopard in the
fucking tall grass, Like that's the way it was. Design
is designed to look for threats, you know what I mean.
But um, but yeah, I can't imagine. I just can't

(16:45):
imagine looking back on Kevin Durant thinking about, oh, he
could have stayed with the Warriors. But like, but, like
Tyler said, though, you probably won't talk about the two
rings he won though you talking about him as a
basketball player, you won't talk about him not staying with
the Warriors, but you won't talk about the rings. You
know what I mean? Bro? The twenty eighteen Warriors win

(17:05):
sixteen and won that postseason, and we never hear about it.
No one brings up you know, is this team better
than the fucking you know, the one Lakers? Is this
the best po We don't have that discussion. They exceeded
even the super team conversation to where it was like, well,
that's not fair. They had the three best shooters, three
best shooters maybe of all time, three of the best

(17:27):
shooters of all time on one team, and then another
All Star on top of that, you know what I mean.
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(19:13):
First of all, welcome Jason timp to the volume. Finally
someone will talk about the Lakers with the five volume.
You know, undercovered Los Angeles Lakers. It's a crime how
little the media talks about, especially at the volume. You
know what I mean. We don't have any people following
the Lakers closely, no vested interest in anyone on that
roster on this spot, so we keep it in a stack.

(19:34):
We've talked about the Lakers less this year than probably
any year of our fucking podcast. Yeah yeah, yeah for sure,
But I do, I do want to talk about the
Lakers right now, which is last night on ABC, Braun
proved that he's still Braun. First game back from injury,
casual triple double, crazy reverse dunk that didn't even count.

(19:56):
He just wanted to show off because the Knicks were
in town, looked incredible. A d coming back from injury
we have not talked about has been a monster everything
we're hoping he would be. And then there's Russ, And
I don't know that I've ever physically reacted to a
moment in a sporting event that wasn't an injury the

(20:18):
way I reacted to hearing the Staples Center crowd beg
that man not to shoot a three pointer last night.
That shit hit me in my heart. Bro. I have
a job that pays one forty one four hundred forty
four million as much as Russ's where I have my
job over other jobs because I love being in and

(20:41):
giving back to my community. And I'm trying to fix
just showing up to work and hearing twenty thousand members
of my community scream, no anyone but you the stye
of a pot football game and you pull your camera
and I was like, yeah, with me, like equivalent of
it out of there. Role is real chief in Indiana

(21:05):
or whatever. You'll never hear from me again. That's so wow.
And the thing is, of course you can't tell Russ shit.
Of course he let that motherfucker fly. And I think
the crowd playing into it's booing him, you know, well,
pleading with him definitely play the part of that. But
I think that's where we're at with Russ right now. Man.
It's I think everyone's kind of giving up on him.

(21:26):
I think even if you love Russ, you know what
I'm saying, do You and I were at the top
of the list of people who are like, they're figure
this out. Russ is the best. Yes, I think even
if you love Russ, if you know like we do,
I think you're at the he needs a reduced role
until he figured it out, and he might not ever
figure shit out, and it might be done for Russ.
And it's so weird because I think we thought that
the rust the client was gonna be him, you know,

(21:49):
losing that fucking super athleticism he has him, that's not
the case. The motherfucker just can't play basketball anymore. Bro.
I do think some of it, some of the lack
of ability to finish at the rim is like starting
to go. I mean, I think some of that is
some of that's happening, But you're you're absolutely right. I
think the thing is he needs the He needs what
what Ad just had. He needs the mid season off

(22:10):
season to take him, you know. And I think some
of that's Braun. John is shaking his head because he
thinks it's an unfixable problem. But Ad looked terrible before
he went out too in stretches, and Braun gave him
the take your time, get in the gym, get your
body right again, and come back, you know what I mean.
Like it's hard to hit the reset button in the
middle of the season. I think Braun wanted Russ in

(22:33):
part so that he would have the ability to do
that when he needed to. And Russ has obviously not
been the guy who could give that to him, which
is why the Lakers are probably going to be in
a playing game. But I think Russ needs that. I mean,
I think he needs that couple weeks away, man, like,
go be with your family, get your body right, get
your mind right, come back, have a big first game back,
and you know the Lakers fans will put that ship

(22:56):
behind him quickly if he turns it around. Rush. This
game was completely predicated on him being bigger and stronger
and more athletic than everybody his entire career. He could
move anything to do what the fuck he wanted to do.
He never had to learn how to really play basketball.
He could do whatever the fuck he wanted to. Now

(23:17):
he has to play basketball, and he doesn't know how.
He's fucking fifty percent and lay ups this year. We
ain't talking him. He was sixty percent with dunks, fifty
percent because he has no touch. He's never had to
fucking lay the ball up when you're looking down into
the fucking rim every time you're in the air, you
know what I mean. I mean all the triple double
shit that I get, all of that, but he could

(23:37):
literally move motherfucker's out the way. You couldn't stay stay
in front of him, you know what I mean. When
he got to the rim, he was stronger than you.
You know, he rocking a baby on these little point
guard and shit, now you know back then, he can't
do that shit anymore. He doesn't have that anymore. He
lost his fucking superpower. Now he's fucking me out there
trying to play NBA basketball, you know what I mean.

(23:57):
And he doesn't know how to play the game. And
it's blatantly obvious. Bro, And I hate to see that.
They booed his ass. But what was wild to me
was it was the reaction like they saw Freddy cruisers.
He came from their gut. They couldn't even control it.
Then niggas is stressed in the fucking stands. Nigga. No,

(24:18):
it was a panicky ass. No, like nigga please, it
was a They were pleading with them. They weren't being disrespectful.
They were asking Russ not to shoot my nigga. Please,
we've seen enough this year, you know what I mean.
But that's what's going on with Russ. He never had
to learn how to play basketball because he was super athletic.
He was a superhuman and he lost his superpower and

(24:39):
now he has to just play off the game. It
was like like Mike when he when the shoes stopped working,
if Bron needs to send him to wherever Bron goes.
You know what I mean, we need to bro Aid
left thought about it, came back and got his mind
right because it wasn't his body. I do think he was.
You know, we talked about. I do think he had
booked up to try and be like a more dominant center,

(25:02):
and I think that he took some of that off.
Just look, I'm saying he still had him. Russ doesn't
have what Russ had to make him Russ, you know
what I mean? Moving on, let's talk about and we
talked about that soon after after next year, who's gonna
pick that man up? This might be his last two
years in the league. Maybe could very well be. I

(25:25):
hate to say it. I love Russ, I mean, you
know what I mean. We all know that Presty is
in full tank mode, and I think a welcoming back
of Russ that kind of aligns with everyone there, so
we I think if ook C passes on him, he's
for sure done. But I think Presty is in tank
mode and if Russe will definitely help you tank from
what we've seen this season, so he might go. Russell's

(25:46):
getting paid forty four million this year. What did they
could have paid that man to be him? Now he
got uh, you know, we didn't even talk about the
fact he was not on the court in overtime. And
Frank Vogel, I'll say this, I mean very clearly has
got whatever green light he needs to make whatever decision
he needs to make to win the game. Bronze whole
postka did you hear? Bronze postgame interview was about being accountability,

(26:09):
of being accountable to the great coaching that they're receiving.
You know that all players need to be accountable to
that brown up up there, not only you know, taking
a dick out of his home, but he's lying to
great coaching. No what no, But he's talking about defensively.
He's like, he's like, everyone's gotta you know, every player

(26:29):
on the rosters accountable. And Frank said, you know, they
asked Frank about bentioning him. He said, I hope the
reaction will be that that player plays better. You know,
it's like, God, damn, Russ, you're at that player, that player,
that's what you're a Steve. Now, Russ, let's talk about

(26:50):
John Morram Westbrook. Fuck sick, bro Damn nigga got a
name on the back of his jersey and motherfucking two
k nigga Dad, let's talk about his ascendency this year.

(27:11):
One of the most fun things happening in the NBA
thirty three, seven and five last night. But more than that,
I want Jaw to get an endorsement deal with some
kind of a personalized motivational speech company that you know,
he just he could be doing some we crawl up
the Chimney type speech like for your alarm. Bro. This

(27:33):
man is on another level and his quotables are off
the fucking charts. Bro. Every everyone loves that. You know,
we don't run from from smoke. We run up the
Chimney quote. That's great. But the ship he said right
after that, the you know, if the baby see us crying,
what they're gonna do, that's the motherfucking him right there. Dog.
I typed it on my stickies on my motivational quote works.

(27:53):
If you're crying what the baby's gonna do? That's real
as fun, though, Man, I love that ship. That's a country,
I say it. That's a country, nigga. Bro. I love
I think, Bro. I don't miss fucking Memphis games. I
think this is one of the funniest teams we've seen
in a long time and will see you know what
I mean. I think people should tap it. I think

(28:13):
this is fucking special. And what's wild about when he
said that climbing up the chimney. That wasn't just a
quotable that nigga is standing on that motherfucker shit. He
meant every fucking syllable of that shit. You know what
I mean? Like these he really moves that way. Gee,
you feel me like dog, he dunked on somebody yesterday,
posted it on his ig and put a fucking casket

(28:35):
on that motherfucker bit this respectful. That's an NBA player.
You clowning like that, You're just a body to him,
you know, get out the way, bubble, You know what
I'm saying. It's wild, Gee, but I love I love
that man, dog like I think he. I think they're
one of the funniest teams we've seen a long time,
and we need to fucking tap into every game you can.
Right now, let's talk about trade rummors. Deadline is coming

(28:58):
up this week. Um, all kinds of stuff flying around
about what the nets you're gonna do? Um, you know,
potentially moving James Harden. We just had to move between
the clippers and the trailblazers. That I think everyone has Dame.
Everyone's kind of looking at Dame like you're not going
to run from this grind, from this level of grin.
The grind has changed. This is a different grind. This

(29:21):
grind is a different grind than yesterday's grind. Bro, are
you are you ready to run yet? Yesterday's grinds to dogs?
What are you guys hoping to see this week? And um,
and just on a personal emotional level, how do you
feel for Dame? I mean, I'm just it's this is

(29:43):
why loyalty in a professional world is an overrated It's
it's overrated, man. I mean it's I know you you
have the path you want for your career. But the
three of us have talked about this. I have the
personality of a nineteen you know, of a baby boomer worker.
I wanted to go work at a place for thirty
five years, put my time in retire Like that's personality wise,

(30:04):
but that's not what the world is today. Like, you
know what I mean, I got laid off three years
into that ship. Bro, We're millennials. We don't get to
just choose that ship. And similarly, you might want to be,
you know, a nineteen sixties basketball player that gets to
just go and be the guy, but that's not how
the world works. Man. I just don't know that it's
realistic to even shoot for that at this point, I'm

(30:27):
not sure. I mean, Dame's gotta be a bit disillusion here.
He's gotta there's gotta be a part of him that
knows you're not getting a ring in Portland. But you know,
we saw you if you remember the freestyle he dropped
last summer. And this kind of goes back to the
whole needle movement conversation that we had a few minutes
ago where he said, you know, I'm trying to get
to that, to that Dirk and Yanni's you know level
or whatever. You know who I'm saying, because we talked

(30:47):
about how Dirk and Yannas moved the needles by stay
and put where they were, you know, getting that ring,
and how those rings you know, hold a lot of weight.
And he said that shit in a freestyle, but bro,
it ain't happening in Portland. And you know, Dame, if
he hasn't made up his mind yet. He's gonna have
to reach a decision. Am I gonna stay put here?
Am I gonna be a Portland lifer? Where? Am I
gonna go somewhere where I can? You don't have a
legit shot at getting ring because Portland's not gonna be

(31:10):
a place that's gonna give him that legit shot. He said,
he's not staying because of the team, is because of
the people around him. He's kind of like, you know,
I'm in the same way Brian is when other big players,
when you go places, you make a lot of money
for the community surrounding you, you know what I mean.
So I respect that. I think that kind of box
the men, though. You can't say something like that and
be like, all right, man, I was playing, you know

(31:33):
what I mean, I'm shaking, you know what I mean?
But I don't. I don't, I don't. It's I don't
feel bad for him because he chooses this, you know
what I mean. Somebody said, how y'all lose a norm
piletray twice? You know what I mean? Saying that shall twice?
You know what I mean? Like, this's just this horrible

(31:53):
decision making you know what I mean, But hey, it's
not I don't feel bad because this is what he wanted,
you know what I mean? Yeah, to Grind is like
it's like you really don't want to run yet, Grind
tapping on that Man show like, Bro, Bro, I mean
trying to help you out, Like you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
I don't, I don't. I don't get it, bro, But

(32:14):
it's not. Also one thing you talked about like he
wanted that, Dirk and be honest, you are Dirk or
you honest, it ain't there for you, Baba. You need
some real ones with you, you know what I mean?
So hey, you know, let's talk about Tyler is a
big UNC fan Coach K coaching his last game Chapel

(32:38):
Hill last night. Are you one of those like it
was fun to hate him? Or you were like, yeah,
get the fuck out of here forever, Like where where
are you out? Emotionally? Tyler? It it wasn't fun to
hate him because Coach K isn't a fun, hateable villain,
you know what I mean. He's a very cut and
dry you know, he sits his fucking he's dry as fun.

(33:00):
He's never giving us a real great quotable. You know
what I'm saying, He's not. I'm not gonna be Oh,
I'm gonna miss hating him. No, you can. You can dip, bro.
You know what I'm saying. It wasn't really fun hating you.
It's just something to do. You know what I'm saying.
I respect it. Yeah, I've watched Duke basketball from probably
thirty years. I think ninety two was actually when I

(33:21):
first started watching that ship. And are you gonna shed
a tier at the end of the season, brou No. Yeah,
I've watched like four games in the last two years.
You know, I mean, if I'm keeping it a stack,
you know, I mean they got fucking Paulo was fucking insane.
You know what I mean? You stopped watching college basketball
because of one and dance? No, No, that's the energy
I'm more. No, I mean to me, it was more like,

(33:44):
I mean, I got tired of seeing him fuck off
great talent when he didn't win one was Zion. I'm like, Nicky,
all right, bro, you can, I mean you could, really
you can. Let let let oh boy take this shit over.
You feel me like I feel like he's he's he
hasn't learned how to he hasn't figured it out. Like
when you look at Tatum, what the player was Tatum?
When he was playing with Tatum and Ingram on the

(34:04):
same squad, RJ and Zion on the same squad, you
feel and with Tatum and Inger, he ain't do shit
with that team. Dog, You feel me like he couldn't,
you know, like Tatum, look regular, I mean we were
shocked at tape. I saw Tatum my high school. I'm like,
what the fuck? Like his worst years in basketball where
while he was with coach k You feel what I'm saying,

(34:24):
you had, you know, other than like the ACC tournament,
But yeah, gee, I mean, I don't know if he's
really figured out uh today's game. I mean, he's one
of the best coaches of all time. But you have
this type of talent that you ain't winning like that
Zion ship was flagrant Zion and r J. There's no
fucking way in the planet, dude, you could have won
Tyler for show with your basketball mind. You probably could
have figured something out to coach him that nigga to

(34:46):
a chip, you know what I'm saying. Like, so, I
mean it was fun, but you know, so it's it's
shared the guy. Have they made that official? Is he's
John shary Um next charges the guy shires a guy
ye and the young dudes love Shire. You know what
I'm saying, I don't know what ex's and those, but

(35:06):
I mean like I've seen like I don't know and
this I'll say this is the last point. Coach k Like,
he's had some some big fuck up moments, like when
they were up ten against yukon like a minute and
a half, when they had I think it was Oka
four and Gordon on the team in the final four
and they he does this fucking weave that dude they
had I think it was jj all that was JJ

(35:28):
Reddick and fucking um and uh Duhan and they were
basically gifted the fucking game and he stopped them from
playing how they were playing, slowed the game down with
two minutes left and and and Oka four and them
came back and took over the game, won the chip
against the team that Duke would have definitely beat the
next team. So he's had some big moments where he's
done some silly ass ship where he's losing games, changing

(35:49):
the energy of game on some scary shit. You feel
me so left the door hit you right right, but yeah,
it's it's time. It's time. Um. Like all podcasts, Uh,
everyone you're listening to today is well past their physical prime. Um,

(36:09):
so I was. I was very happy to see. It
is nice as we're moving as we're getting older that
hurt John Tyler and I have long accepted it. No, no,
it is. It's just obvious, so obvious now like my
quad and my knee are trash right now. My quad, knee,
and back were trashed last night. You feel me? So
I might be feeling it more to y'all actually when

(36:30):
you say that, because because you're trying. Because you're trying
is why that's why you feel working out normal workouts
and you know, Um, it is nice as we're going
through it to see that professional athletes are like pushing
hopefully for everyone because maybe it's nutrition and science. I
have no idea pushing the bounds of what makes sense.

(36:51):
Kelly Slater, at fifty years old, just won one of
the biggest surfing championships in the world. Uh, and it
is now thinking about retirement. He and Braun and Tom
Brady apparently have a We're washed but still great group
chat they've been in since tom Brady retired, and Braun
even said I think he said a piece of me

(37:12):
left when Tom Brady retired. So these dudes are defying
physical expectations. But I'm just trying to picture fifty years
old winning a big went like a pipeline surfing championship.
This ship does not make any fucking sense. Bro, that's wow.
And like surfing is, you know, people think of it

(37:33):
as a leisurely activity, But bro, do you know the
fucking core strength? You know what I'm saying, you have
to have to fucking be an Olympic level surfer and
all that shit like that. It takes a whole fucking lot. Bro,
it takes a lot of core strength to stand up
on a surfboard, right. Yeah, he's winning the championship at fifty.
That is crazy, Bro, that's crazy. I'm not going to

(37:58):
pretend to know anything about this nigga. I think I
watched the dock on him like six years ago. Kelly
Slater is of surfing, I would say, like what Braun
is of basketball. It's like if you don't follow basketball
at all, just like if you've heard of a basketball player,
even if you don't like sports, like you're aware that
space jam came out. You know what I mean, he's

(38:20):
he's that dude, he's the face of their sport. But
to do anything at fifty competition wise to me that
that ship's just crazy. All right, this is a personal
topic for me, but I just want to discuss this.
The three of us are great friends, but like the
one great friend activity we've not done together is we
haven't stolen anything together, and so that is a bonding moment.

(38:42):
Did you see did you see the news story about
the gold cube? John had no idea what the fuck
I'm talking about right now? Did you see the news
story about the gold cube in the middle of the
Central Park last week? It's worth two million dollars, it's
sitting there. It apparently has a secure detail, but I
feel like they're probably somewhat amateurish, you know. I think

(39:05):
it's a security detail we could do something with. It's real,
pure gold. It's worth two million dollars. And if you
look at the cube, it's actually not very big. It
was photographed to look like it was big as fuck,
but it's not even knee high. And all I'm saying
is I think we should steal the golden Cube. Fro
This just like good podcast. Get Nicholas Cage in the

(39:25):
line one. You know what I'm saying. We need to
bring him in the fold for this we can go.
I bet you that motherfucker weighs like three thousand pounds,
So that's what I'm wanting. It's not even that heavy.
How yes, oh I thought it was. We need to
steal that motherfucker. That's crazy. That gold is that valuable
That a fucking hollow asked shoe box is fucking two

(39:46):
million dollars. Bro, how much would it be if it
was solid? You know what I mean? Yeah, it's not
even that big. Plan. Number one melted down and number
two put it in my pocket. We're gonna melt it
down on the spot. Is that there's portable smelting kits.
We just melted down. You gotta get it into one

(40:08):
of the little killing cups. You just drop it in
the you know, like a big parka pocket and you
walk out of there with the gold cubes. Trying to
send us on a dummy mission up. We're trying to
sit us on the crash mission up. Melted down. I'll
do the smelting. I'll do the smelting and I'll wear
the parking while I'll drive to get away, see what y'all,

(40:28):
and be like at least two seconds into smelting it
when forty eight niggas come out the fucking woods. All right,
my boys, it was fun doing the pot. There's no
Jenkins and Jenkins here, though here it'll be over for

(40:53):
it'd be great publicity, you know what I mean? No
it Jenkins and Jones Heist of the Golden Cube, Gordy
being Dragonfly, Jones arrested, the Jets still on the loose.
The Jethro Jake has known as John Nichols caught trying

(41:13):
to cross the border. All right, let's talk about I
have not seen the new uh Cosby Dock. I've heard
it's very good. But I've also heard that Tyler's tweets
make an appearance in the dock, which makes me think
it might be the kind of a dock on a
horrible person I might want to watch. Do you know

(41:33):
what they put in there yet? Tyler? I have no idea.
I was gonna, like, you know, take a look at it.
But so it was like four parts and I was like,
I am not fucking watching four hours just to see
one of my tweets like, I'll sitting in a screen
grab or something, hopefully one of my devoted Twitter friends,
can you know, tell me what they said, because I'm
not sitting there four hours of that Mick rib looking
motherfucker like, and I just wondered what tweet they put

(41:54):
out there because I have been lighting Bill Cosby. Ass up.
I do not like that motherfucking dog there. I don't
think they're anything that's like PG or you know g
Rady that I have said about that dude. Bro, you
could your screenshot the screenshot here Hall of Fame ship
they put that in the documentary. I might I don't
have four hours to spend on someone I think it
is a terrible person, but I might have to just

(42:16):
to see on an HBO screen that tweet. Bro, what
is what is it? Where's the dockhead? What's Showtime? Showtime?
You want a Showtime doc? And you're like, I don't
need to see it. I saw it when I tweeted it, like,
that's that's personality and it's my blow week. If you

(42:37):
ain't dropping that bag off, I don't give a fuck,
you know what I'm saying, Like, that's all I care about.
If I got paid off that out and be like, yes,
please send me the cut man. You know, tweets are
public domain or whatever the fuck, and they didn't cut
me in on it's I don't give a fuck. I
saw the tweet when I tweeted this, So bro, you
are different. Um, okay, Tyler, I want to give you

(42:58):
a chance. I think if there's anything remotely resembling a
public service that we do on this podcast, it's when
you are able to use your professional experience to help
give advice to the people who listen to this show.
And a couple of weeks ago, we haven't had a
chance to talk about it because we're running at a
time a woman destroyed her career. She did the whole

(43:19):
lighting herself on fire on Twitter thing, she lost everything
for basically talking about as a recruiter that she sort
of gleefully would underpay people or whatever. You have experience
on negotiation, on being a recruiter and all this, And
I just wanted to give you a chance to number
one let us know how you feel about her, and

(43:40):
then number two pass on some advice to the Jenkins
and Jones community for sure. So yes, it being the
recruiter that I am, well, you know, to give the
listener to some background, there was this recruiter who tweeted out,
you know, I was talking to a candidate for like
a one hundred thirty thousand dollar position. They only you know,
wanted eighty five thousand. It's not my job, that's you
how to negotiate salaries. And you know what I'm saying it,

(44:02):
that was some dickheadshit. And I'm gonna tell you some
real shit. As a recruiter, I don't like a lot
of recruiters, you know what I'm saying. And this is
like a prime example of why I don't like a
lot of recruiters, because, for one, a lot of recruiters
are on like some power trip bullshit where they realize
all the power that they have over these people who want,
you know, jobs, and they flex on it and they're dickheads.
Like this isn't the first recruiter to go viral on
some bullshit like this. Like we see recruiters all the

(44:24):
time getting asked up like if you're not sending a
cover letter, I delete you your application before you even
looking at Like get the fuck out here with that
nineteen fifty eight Madman Ship, Bro it's twenty twenty two,
and you know, and you know that recruiters are a
terrible present company excluded because they're so insulated in a
bubble of people who think and say stupid shit like
that that they don't realize they're going to get destroyed

(44:44):
on Twitter for saying it. They think that that's like, oh,
these are the jokes we make about how stupid society is.
Exactly bro, I firmly believe there's no such thing as
an okay recruiter. You are either great at it or
you're terrible at it, you know saying because think about
all the all the interactions you had with recruiters, right like,
you either had a recruiter, you know, hit you up, Hey,
you know, I want to get you an interview for
this job, They get you the interview, you don't hear
from them ever again until that two month later mass

(45:06):
email when they've closed out the position and they tell
you that you didn't make the cut or whatever. Right Like,
no one has ever had a five out of ten
experience with the recruiters, either one out of ten or
a ten out of ten, you know what I'm saying.
So you know that's the like one out of ten experience,
and then you'll have a fucking amazing recruiter reaches out
to you, gets you the interview, you know, preps you
for the interview, follows up with you after the interview.
You know less. You know if you got the job
or not. If you didn't get the job, they'll be like, Hey,

(45:27):
you didn't get the job. I hate that this happened.
I'm gonna circle back to you when something else opens up.
They reach back to you two months later, get you
another interview, maybe get you the job. Right, Like, that's
a ten out of ten recruiter, and you're either one
of the other. Like I said, there's no such thing
as an okay recruiter. But the reason I don't like
this recruiter in particular is because, for one, like I said,
the power trip shit that she's on that a lot
of recruiters are on. And two, the company man shit

(45:47):
that she's on that a lot of recruiters are on. Right,
a lot of recruiters want to save their company money
instead of getting their candidates paid. And I am not
one of those recruiters. I don't want these motherfuckers to
cash out. You feel me? Because the dog like like,
how do you fuck can you feel good about yourself?
Know when you're fucking someone out of like forty thousand
a year, right, Like you just get a fucking pad
on the back from your from your manager, like, hey,

(46:08):
great job. Meanwhile, this is a real life person who's
gonna be working at this job for like five or
six years, leaving fucking thirty thousand a year on the table,
leaving like one hundred, fifty hundred and eighty thousand on
the table during their time. They're a fucking half a
more gets your kids college fund. And you're cool with
doing that to someone just to get a fucking pad
on the back from your manager. Like that's some bootlicking shit, bro.
And I don't, like I said, I don't fuck with

(46:28):
a lot of recruiters for reasons like that dog, because,
like I said, I try to get my candidates paid.
This is not my money. I want motherfucker's to cash out.
You feel me, I have, Like she said, it's not
my duty to, you know, you know, teach people how
to negotiate. It might not be, but it's I take
that on, as you know, as a duty of mine.
Because when I see candids underselling themselves. I tell them

(46:49):
flat out, you know what I'm saying, like like I'm
gonna give y'all, you know, for one with salary negotiations,
I come flat out and I tell candidates, you know,
this is a blah blah blah position, this is the salarynges.
Is that acceptable for you? And we take things from there.
There are times, however, like when I'll see like applicants
who you know, email us and you know they're you know,
a great applicant, and I will email them like a

(47:09):
questionnaire screen or whatever. You know what I'm saying, just
at some hr ship that we have to do where
you know, we get there, you know there, are you
a citizen when you meet sponsorship or whatever? You know,
when would you be able to start if you know
you accepted a position with us and you know what's
your desired salary? Is a question on there, right, And
there will be candids whill undersell themselves and on that
salary question, is it more common for people to undersell

(47:30):
or oversell themselves? Undersell for sure? Undersell way is way
more frequent. And I do not let candids undersell themselves.
Like if I'm reaching out to a candidate, about one
hundred twenty five thousand position that they applied for, and
I shooting that questionnaire and I see them come back
with like ninety thousand. You know, when we have that conversation,
when I talk to them before you know, setting up
an interview with them, I tell them, this is in
a one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars position. You're

(47:53):
you put ninety thousand as your desired salary. You're not
a ninety thousand dollars talent. You know what I'm saying.
You have a one hundred twenty five thousand dollars plus resume,
You have one hundred twenty five thousand dollars plus experience
run on that. Do not undersell yourself short in this
interview process or with anyone else you interview with. And
I will tell candidates, is it okay if I, you know,
put one hundred twenty five thousand on your desired salary

(48:14):
on this on this screen, you know what I'm saying,
because we have to put that in the system of shit,
you know, when we attached it through a person's file.
So I don't want a manager interviewing someone and they're like, oh,
this person is great and then they go look at
the screen and say, oh, and we can get it
for ninety thousand. Awesome, Know the fuck you can't you
gonna get this person for one hundred and twenty five thousand,
just like the position says it is. You know what
I'm saying. So, but my advice is to people who

(48:35):
are out here and if you're negotiating with someone, I
would say, do not put your number out there without
asking about the salary range first, you know what I'm saying.
Because you can do that, you get they say what
do you want to make? You can say what's the
salary range? Absolutely absolutely, and you should do That should
be your answer every time. And the recruiter is gonna
do one of two things. They're either gonna tell you

(48:56):
the salary range you know for the position, or are
they're gonna tell you it's opening and it's depending on experience. Now,
if they tell you it's open on dependent on experience,
it's one of two things there too. That could very
well be true, or it could be some bullshit. They
could be trying to, you know, hold out on that
in phone hopes that you undersell yourself. So when if
they tell you that, you know depending on experience is open.
What you do then, is you tell them, Okay, I'm

(49:18):
gonna have to do some market research and get back
to you. And that's not some bullshit that you're blown
up there, as You're gonna really do some market research.
And I'm gonna tell you the market research you're gonna do. Here.
What you're gonna do is you're gonna go to the
job description of the position that you know you and
the recruiter are talking about. You're gonna copy a big
chunk of that shit. You're gonna put it in Google.
And when you put it that job you know, the
a chunk of that job description in Google, you're gonna
see the listings come up for that job description on

(49:39):
the job boards that is advertised on and the salary
ship that might pop up for those you know what
I'm saying. And that's when you know that, Okay, this
recruiter is trying to hold out and hopes that I
low ball on myself. But if you know it comes
up where you see these listings on all these job
boards and it does say you know, depending on experience,
then okay, the recruiter is shooting straight with you. Is
depending on experience. So what you're gonna do then is
you're gonna do some more market research. You're gonna, you know,

(49:59):
like say you're you're interviewing for a software developer position,
five to seven years of experience, shout of script, pitheone, heavy,
et cetera. You're gonna plug in that and you're gonna
look at, you know, the the the job listens for
that type of position, of that skill set. You're gonna
you know, see, okay, well the rain share is one
hundred twenty five one hundred fifty thous before this type
of skill set, and you're gonna come back to the
recruiter with that, right, So you're gonna do some market

(50:20):
research whenever a recruiter tells you that you know it's
depending on experience, and get back to them. Don't ever
say you're you're, you're you know your price right there
on the spot without doing that. So that's the advice
that I would give to to, you know, people who
are interviewing for that position. And if you come up
across that position, and if you come across that, you know,
depending on experience, stipulation and recruiters need to do fucking
better because, like I said, these are real life, Pippi,

(50:41):
you're dealing with recruiting. I view recruiting as you know,
at its essence, you are helping people improve their lives.
You know what I'm saying. A new job is a
leaping quality of life for most people. And if you
don't take that seriously, go and you just want to
swind to motherfuckers and save the company money, get the
funk out of recruiting, bro, go like sell some used cars,
no shots, to use cards. But but this ain't for you,

(51:03):
Like I said, this, this is people's real ass lies, bro.
And you're just out here fucking people over to get
a pat on the back from your fucking manager, you
boot looking motherfucker. So yeah, that's all I have to
say about it, man. And like I said, if you
know what I'm saying, you know where to find me
if you need If anyone out there listen as any
types of questions about negotiating or whatever, reach out to me.
I love seeing motherfuckers get paid. It's a different dude. Yeah,

(51:28):
bootlooking is so funny. It's up there with moon cricket
and I love that. Great advice though, yes, but yeah,
but like I said, do your research and for you
know what I'm saying going back to the whole googling
job description. Shit. Um, there's there's two types of recruiting. Basically,

(51:51):
there's you know, corporate recruiting. There's agency recruiting. You know,
agency recruiting is you know, when you come on board
with an agency, you know, you get contracted out to
a company and you know, you get paid to the
agency and whatever. Right, And the way agencies make money
off that is they make money off what's called to split.
There's a pay rate and a bill rate. The bill
rate is what they build a company for that you'll
be contracted out to. The pay rate is what they
pay you. Right. And so you know, say you come
on board for a job and it's forty dollars an

(52:12):
hour that you're getting paid the company that you're that
you're you know, contract before they are building the company.
You're working for like sixty an hour and they're making
like twenty an hour off of you. Right. So that's
how agencies get paid here. So if you are you know,
applying for a position that is with an agency that
you know, you know you're gonna get an interview for,
You're gonna get a call back for Like I said,
google that job description first and do some shopping on

(52:34):
the rates there for staffing agencies, because you might see
one staffing agency that you were about to apply to
might be like forty dollars an hour, but you might
see another one advertise like fifty five an hour, you
know what I'm saying, And you could have been leaving
like fifteen dollars an hour on the table by not
doing your research there. So that's another way thing I
would for sure recommend there. So just some free game, y'all. Man,
I want to see I'll get paid, you know what
I'm saying. So I know that in my personal life,

(52:55):
had I become friends with Tyler a decade earlier, probably
would have been you know, some of the finances would
have been on a different trajectory, bro. So I'm always
happy to hear you pass that info because like, for example,
I mean, I've had the you know, well, what do
you think you should make? I don't fucking know, you
know what I mean, Like, absolutely no expen It would
never occur to me to say, why don't you tell

(53:17):
me what you think? That's what you need to ask him, bro.
Everyone Like I said, there's always arranged for a position,
even if it is legitimately depending on experience. Well, like
I said, if it's depending on experience, to your research
for its people. But what surprised me because so I
grew up in a house it was really really bad
with money, like my my you know, we've talked about
my parents had addiction problems other things, but like my

(53:39):
college fund got rated like when I was in elementary school,
you know what I mean, before it really even existed.
So I always felt like, oh, I don't know anything
about money or the professional world, just because of the
way that I grew up, you know, I wasn't like
taught this stuff or whatever. But when you said, oh,
by far people undersell themselves, it's like, oh, this is
like the this is a problem of capitalism and like

(54:00):
the way everyone feels like, oh I should be grateful
for you know, like this opportunity like whatever, whatever, whatever.
And as you've said, it's like, but that's not a
you feel it's it's actually it's kind of like sports.
You feel like that's a personal like relationship between you
and whoever is interviewing you, like, but it's to them,
it's not it's just it's straight up business. It's like,
I have X amount for this job. This person told

(54:22):
me this number. I'm saving x amount. Like it's just
straight up numbers like that, you know what I mean.
So great advice for an even listening. I know that
would have helped me a lot out quite a bit
when I was younger, So I hope that helps everyone
out too. Um, John, I wasn't worth shit back in
the day, but once the nigga got some sins, you

(54:42):
know what I mean, You've actually helped me personally with
a lot of these I'm like, I'm like, hey, guess what,
we have people who listen to the podcast who can
also benefit from being friends with Tyler on the podcast. Right,
all right, that's all our time for Jenkis and Jones
this week. We'll be back in the middle next week,
right around the trade deadline actually, so we'll see if

(55:03):
any of this crazy shit comes to pass. Thanks for
fucking with us. Please keep leaving us the five star
reviews and the saying nice things or whatnot. That's appreciated,
and we'll see also, Bye bye, rustle less book away.

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