LeBron James, Dodgers, Dak Prescott, Jets, Dan Snyder

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It is a great show today. We are packed, got
a lot of guests, got a lot of opinions. I'm
even talking baseball today, Eric Carros next hour, I've got
some thoughts on the Dodgers and the Yankees. In a second,
I want to start the show on a Friday with this.
You know, let's let's not kid ourselves here. So I
watched Dallas Maverick's Lakers about four o'clock Pacific. I love

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Dallas's roster. I just love it. I just I would.
If you're Mark Cuban, you have just got to love this.
You found your next Dirk Nevitski, except he's better. Luca
don Jas. You got Seth Curry from Portland. What a
nice find. That kid's been this Dallas is gonna be
really good for the next decade. I mean, they may
have the scoring champ five of the next ten years
in Luca Donja. The kid's twenty years old. He's way

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ahead of Lebron in terms of scoring ability. He's a
tremendous young player. And I'm watching that game and I'm like,
Dallas's roster is younger, it's deeper, it's more athletic. They
have a twenty year old that's going to be a
star in this league for the next fifteen years. And
I look at the Lakers and I'm like, good God,
if you took Lebron out of this lineup, it's a
reality show. It's he is the super glue to a mess.

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Kyle Kuzma was awful last night. I mean, I like
Danny Green. He's thirty three, he's old. I like Anthony
Davis a lot, but he's brittle. This roster, JaVale McGee,
Dion Waiters, j R. Smith, Dwight Howard, and KCP. If
it was a reality show, if this was hard Knox

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sign it to a lifetime deal. This is a mess.
It really is. If you take Lebron James out of
this Laker roster, all you Laker fans, this is the
Pelicans with Anthony Davis, except not as talented because they
had Drew Holliday, who's a total baller. Drew Holiday is
an excellent NBA player, that's an All Star level player.

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This roster for the Lakers is it is. This is
not well constructed. Lebron is completely superglue with this team.
And this is why, of course Lebron's gonna be the MVP,
or at least should be. I mean, if you take
Janis out of Milwaukee, they're not the same team. Nobody
would dispute that. But that's a playoff team. It's well coached,
they have multiple good players. This Laker roster is old, dysfunctional.

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It's got some of the goofiest players in the NBA
on it, all of them, all of them out of
their prime Dwight Howard Jr. Smith, Theon Waiters, JaVale McGee,
Kyle Kuzma. I'm not sure what his prime is KCPI
like I do. I think there's something there. But you know,
he's had his shoes house arrest two years ago. I mean,

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that's just the thing. It's part of his you know,
his NBA reality But just to give your heads up
on this, Dallas has a way better roster. It's younger,
it's more athletic, and they got a star at twenty.
If Lebron wins a title with this reality show, goat,
I'm over. I'm not even arguing it because they have
no business winning. They got to go through potentially Portland, Houston,

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the Clippers, and then a Milwaukee or Boston. I mean,
you're watching this thing last night. Take Lebron out of this.
Look at this roster. It is Anthony Davis and cross
your fingers. And Lebron is strong enough and verbal enough
and vocal enough and the leader so that all these
sort of disparate, weird, odd NBA reality show dysfunctional parts

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kind of they kind of respect him. They work hard
out of respect for the king. They kind of make
sure they're in line. But you got j R. Smith yesterday.
I didn't. I didn't bring enough underwear. Dwight Howard, I
refuse to wear a mask. Oh god, the only thing
this team is missing is Antonio Brown. It is never

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forget this. Before Lebron got there, it was a you
know what show for about five years. Magic Gone Agent,
New GM owners fighting with each other, brothers, sister, God,
I'm watching this thing last night. Man, they are Lebron
is superglueing this thing together. They have no business being

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the number one seed in the West by five and
a half games. They have no business being met. No way,
no way, no how, number one seed in the West
by five and a half games. I love where Dallas
is going. I just like Lebron because right now that
the Lakers are the second best constructed basketball team in

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the building. They play by a mile. All right, let
me talk to some baseball. Watch a couple of games
last night, Yes I did. Dodgers won. They're really good.
The way it works in sports is when you're really
good and you combine that with getting a break, you
often end up winning a championship in any sport. So

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you're really good and you get a break, The example
would be Toronto last year. Now they deserve credit for
getting into the finals. Smart GM, excellent coach, nice roster,
ad Kahi, Leonard Stirr really good. But let's be honest,
Golden State fell apart. Steph got hurt, Clay got hurt,
Kevin Durant got hurt. They were an overwhelming favorite. They

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would have won. When Kevin Durant came back for thirty
minutes boom, they looked like the better team. But that's
the breaks. It was a very good team with a
very good GM and a very good coats, and a
nice roster, a nice mix of veterans in youth and
Kawhi Leonard. But they got a big break. When you
get when you do a lot right and then you
get a break, you usually end up winning a championship.

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This Dodger team is really good. Let's start with this.
It is the first team since the New York Yankees
in nineteen sixty three when they had Mickey Manlin Roger Merris.
It's the first team with an MVP from each of
the previous two seasons, Cody Bellinger and Mookie Bets. They
are stacked. Max Munsey hit thirty five Jack's last two years.
Mookie Betts is the MVP. Cody Bellinger was a National

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League MVP. Justin Turner hit twenty seven Jacks Corey Seeger
was the Rookie of the Year four years back. Kik Hernandez,
Jack Peterson coming off great years. And look at their roster.
Munsey beats left, Bets right, Bellinger, left, Turner right, Seeger left,
kik Hernandez right, Jack Peterson, who will probably platoon as
a DH left j Pollock right. Now. This is a

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big thing. So there's a very good baseball team, and
so are the Yankees, and so are the Astros. These
are very good baseball teams. But the Dodgers, like the Raptors,
are getting a break. There's a new rule in baseball
this year for twenty twenty. You go to the bullpen.
Guy's got to face minimum three batters or finish the inning.
Huge break for the Dodgers. The Yankees best hitters are

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all righty's. The Dodgers aren't. So you come into an
inning and you start having trouble. You're getting no breaks here.
It's not righty on righty. They can throw lefty, lefty, righty, lefty, righty, Lefty.
Big break for the Dodgers. Second break, and the Dodgers
get credit for creating this roster. I'm not saying like
the Raptors, they don't deserve credit, but boy, all this

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situational stuff going to the bullpen three times in an
inning can do it this year. Big break for the Dodgers.
Second break. The Yankees just happened. Doing a sixty game schedule,
you're only playing your division and people in your region, well,
the yan Keys regions much tougher. The Phillies should be
very good in their division. You've got the Rays and
the Red Sox are very good. This is a really

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Phillies are going to be excellent. To the Yankee schedule.
The Nationals defending champs really good. So the Yankees face
a significantly tougher schedule. The Dodgers got a break. The
West is weak, the Padres, the Mariners, the Giants have
been a mess for years. Arizona is okay, the Rockies.
The Dodgers get a second big break. Like the Rappertors,

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deserve a lot of credit, but they get the flexibility
in their roster. Left right, left, right, left right, every
other batters left, every best batters right, big break, then
they get the scheduling break, then they get a third break.
The only hole in the Dodgers lineup is the pitcher
hits not this year, both leagues using the DH, and

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they have a very deep roster. They can take Jock
Peterson and use him regularly as a DH. What did
he have thirty six jacks last year? Again, I'll give
them credit. But when you take a really good team
and you get a DH break, when you get a
scheduling break, when you get a roster where you're nine
best hitters five or left four or right break, everything

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works for the Dodgers, who I believe have won seven
straight division titles. This is the year, this is the
year to win it. And also here's another break. Whereas
the Yankees are excellent, they have to get through Houston
to get to a World Series. The Dodgers' biggest competition
appears to be Atlanta, a very good team bounced first
round last couple of years. Nice team, good team, not

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a great team. Yet this Dodger team has a chance
to be an all timer. And you add that to
all their breaks. Watch out. People in this town have
been complaining for years because, like the Braves, years ago
with Maddox and Smoltz, they dominate their division. Braves only
got one championship out of that. Don't no matter how
many of the Dodgers will get. But man, this stuff

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line up for them this year. Coming up next, oh Boy,
former NFL scout and former Cowboy employee, says that's not happy.
We'll inspect that story next. Be sure to catch live
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I'm so deliriously happy, and I wish Joy was here
to share it with us because we have sports. I

(11:02):
sat there last night and I'm flipping around watching MLS
and baseball games and Yankee games and Dodger games and NBA,
and I'm like, oh my god, I had five and
a half six and a half months, so it was
just such a great time. You know, this is what
I do for a living. I know for most of
your like, get a life, but this is what I
do for a living. We've had to basically make stuff
up for six months. We actually have games now, this
is interesting. Brian brot Us is a former NFL scout

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and he used to work with the Cowboys, and he
was on radio yesterday the Fan in a Dallas very
popular station, and he said he was asked yesterday about
you know, how do you think Dak Prescott's feeling right now?
And he said, at this point, I don't think Dak
Prescott's very happy. He won't say it and he won't
show it, said Brotus, the former scout. The kids of

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stud he's mentally, very very strong. He's a total stud,
but he's not real happy and he liked Jason Garrett.
And this is an underlying truth going on with Dallas
right now. So Dak Prescott saved Jason Garrett's job and
Jerry Jones a fairly patient guy. But remember Cowboys went
four and twelve and then Tony Romo following year got

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hurt in preseason. This was going to be a man overboard.
This was going to be a disaster. And then here
comes Dak in the draft, fourth round and he pops
Jason Garrett knows Dak saved his job. But they needed
each other. And when relationships really click is you both
at least need each other. That's why when you see
a woman who's sophisticated, great job Mary, you know, just

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a good looking dumb guy, you're like, she doesn't need
him as much as he needs her. Like you need
relationships where both people need each other. Dak needed Garrett
to mentor him and advise him. He's a former NFL quarterback,
Jason Garrett. He needed his guidance, and Garrett needed Dak
for stability at the most important position, and he needed
double us and Dak helped provide those. This is the

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problem with Mike McCarthy. He doesn't need DAK. He just
signed a five year, thirty million dollar deal. He doesn't
Mike McCarthy doesn't need DAK for his legacy or a
super Bowl. He's got both. He doesn't need DAK for security.
He's a millionaire, just signed a five year, thirty million
dollar deal in a state with no state taxs. He
doesn't need DAK for money. So Mike doesn't need DAK.

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He's got security, a super Bowl, a legacy, money. He
doesn't need him. I mean, you didn't think it was
strange when McCarthy got the job it didn't call Dack
for a week. If you got the Kansas City chief's job,
how long would it take to call Maholmes. I mean,
on the second the press release comes out, Bob's the
new coach of the Chiefs. You're on the phone, Sam

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in Baltimore, Salmon, Seattle, Salmon, Green Bay, say and call
him for a week? Could have been longer. That was
a story. So and what's interesting is, whereas the job
security for Mike McCarthy right now is great, it's not
great for Deck. He's got a one year franchise tag deal,
and when you look at the I was talking about
the Dodgers getting breaks this year, on the no DA,

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on the new bullpen rule, on their schedule Dallas. People
think Dallas's schedule is easy. People are saying it's one
of the easiest schedules, but it's actually because of the
weirdness of this year not easy to take a look
at it different. You're on FS one, so there's no tas,
no preseason limited practices, and Dallas has a new coach
and a new system. Look at their first three games Rams, Atlanta, Seattle,

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teams with the same quarterback, same system, same head coach.
That's how you start the seat. Okay, Okay, Then you
get a couple of break games, but right in the
middle of the season at Philly, Pittsburgh, in Minnesota, same coach,
same system, same quarterback. Then you get to play Washington.
Then it's back to Baltimore, San Francisco, Philadelphia, same coach,

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same system, same quarterback. You don't tell me Dallas' schedule
is easy the beginning the heart of the middle of November.
In the end, it's just a bunch of people who
don't need the OTA like you don't need the preseason
like you and are not implementing a new system. So
when relationships are at their best, all of them home relationships,

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you know, work relationships when both people need each other.
McCarthy doesn't need Dak. McCarthy needed Garrett, and Garrett absolutely
needed Dak. Jerry can be patient. He's not insane. They
came off four and twelve. The wheels are coming off.
Romo gets hurt. They were in big trouble. So this story,
to me, I don't think Dax's listen. Quarterback Howie Long

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always says this, you get quarterbacks in the room. He
can't have two great quarterbacks in the room at the
same time to take the aucgen out of the room.
I like Dak, but he's has a right to have pride.
He's won a lot of football games. He's won his
division twice. He's not in love with this thing. He's
had a nice press release. I'm very happy he got
a one year deal after winning the division two of
the last what four years, So he's probably this relationship

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with McCarthy is not the same. It's uneven right now.
It may not be by Week eight, but Garrett and
Dak that felt like an even relationship. They both needed
each other, both supported each other. If one succeeded, it
helped the other. Right now, I'm not sure with McCarthy
and Dac that's the case. Here's veteran news band John Gouley,
No turn on the This is the Herd Line News

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and almost literally the last minute last night, Major League
Baseball and the players Union agreed to expand the postseason
from ten teams to sixteen teams this year. They're making
it up as they go. That's okay, twenty twenty. They
literally had to do it before first pitch, and that's
when they did it right before first pitch. So here's
how it's gonna work. Eight teams from each league make

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the playoffs. Yeah, the three division winners or the top
three seeds. Then the three second place teams in each
division are four through six, and then the next two
teams with the best records. Then they're gonna So the
first round of the playoffs is going No one gets
to buy anymore. It's gonna be one versus eight, two
verses seven, three game series. All the games are at
the higher seeds home, so no travel. So this is great.

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I know you didn't want to see the playoffs expand
in terms of dates. This does not make the playoffs
any longer. No, And I gotta tell you something between that,
the inclusion of more teams and the scarcity of games
you got to watch baseball this season? Yeah, we've got
no you got to watch all the games. If you
go on a seven game losing streak, your season's over.
If you go on a seven game winning streak, you're

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in a great spot. So essentially, now everybody except maybe
two to three teams are going to be in it
for the next four or five months. Everybody's in it
now for four months July, August, September, October, maybe early November.
Everybody's in it except maybe the bottom two teams in baseball.
I mean, if you think with two weeks ago in
the season, it's only gonna be a few games, it's

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going to separate eight from the twelve seeds, so you might.
I mean, all you need is someone to get hot
and you can get in. I think this is great.
Is also great, always been good when it has urgency,
and now you gave me playoff urgency. Everybody's going to
be in this thing with seven games to go. All
so This is a protection member that the schedules are
not even this year, right, Some teams have much harder schedules.
This is a nice little safety net. If let's say,

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a good team with a tough schedule, a couple of
guys get COVID, they miss some time you would hate
to see, you know, like a Yankees missed the playoffs
because a couple of their guys you know, got sick. Picture.
This pretty much guarantees if you're a halfway decent team,
you're at least making the playoffs. And I have no
problem with it. Actually, I'm sure the owners wanted this
to be honest, because owners make the real money. In
the post, they make more money, but they're splitting some

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of the play I think fifty million is going to
the players, so it's it's a win for everyone. I
think the question also then becomes does this continue after
this weird season like or is this how it's going
to be forever? Or is this just a one off
because we're in a weird twenty twenty. We'll see. So
there are a lot of expectations for Brady and the
Bucks this year, even though the betting market has them
basically as a borderline playoff team. One NFL analyst, though,

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and former NFL star, thinks Brady's going to have a
pretty epic season. Maurice Jones Drew said this on the
NFL Network this morning about what Tom Brady and do
this season. He's gonna thrash two thousand and seven. I
think he's gonna throw fifty five touchdowns, forty five hundred
yards passing, probably close to five thousand. The Bucks are
gonna be one of the toughest teams, will stop because

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their defensive causes turnovers and then get him more opportunities. Well, guys,
let me tell you why I said fifty five touchdowns.
Jamis Winston joined the thirty thirty club. Let's just cut
that in half, right, So now it's forty five fifteen.
You're telling me Tom Brady can't throw ten extra touchdowns.
Bruce arians Byron Lefferts are gonna air this thing out.

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I listened. It's that is like on the low end
for me. That's that's actually pretty conservative. He may end
up going for sixty, but I'm gonna stay with fifty
five right now. I'm just gonna stay with fifty five
and let it rock out. There's no question Tampa's gonna
be a really good football team because they were a
really competitive team last year. And if you just look
at their turnovers, it's a comedy. It was thirty picks

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six six pick sixes. They're gonna I don't get I
do not get the doubters on that. Everybody's got a
shortened season. You don't think Brady's expertise and experience is
not going to pick up fairly quickly by late September
and start rolling with this group. I'm with you. I
don't get the doubters either. They have two number one receivers,
a depth at tight ends, number one tight ends. Yeah.

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What I don't understand is mgd's interception to touchdown conversion rate.
I didn't like that fifteen touchdown. You take away fifteen picks,
they instantly become touchdowns. I was bad at math, but
that maybe listen, I like MGD maybe a little overboard
he's saying he's gonna in twenty In two thousand and seven,
Brady through fifty touchdowns, forty eight hundred yards, sixty eight
percent of his throws, and oh, by the way, didn't

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lose a game until the Super Bowl let's like he
was thirty he's now forty three. Yeah, but I don't
that's I don't. He doesn't have to come anywhere close
to that for them to be great offensive. Let's not
forget Tom Brady was twelve and four last year with nothing,
Rettelman and a big bag of nothing. So I don't

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get are teams like I like Denver this year. I
get the doubters, um. I I don't like Pittsburgh as much.
I get the people who doubt my opinion like I
get my doubters. I like, um, you know, I think
I think Kansas City will be good, but I don't
think they're in the super Bowl. I get my critics
on that. I don't get the Tampa's not gonna work thing.
They're gonna score a lot of points in The defense

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is better than you think. Oh, Todd Bull has been
a good defense ordinating. So speaking of Kansas City, we
have another member of the Chiefs predicting an all time
great dynasty. Forming wide receiver Tyreek Hill was asked on
First Take about Chris Jones projecting five rings, and tyreek
Hill said, could be more. I'm not gonna say he's

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till in a field you know. Um, but Chris Jones, Um,
he's definitely, he's definitely a man of his words, you know. Manum,
we're definitely creating some special here and Casey, So I
don't see whatnot Why say five? Um? Why not? No?
Seven marines? I'm saying so right now, right now, we
just taste and enjoy, you know what I'm saying. So

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that's what we do. So I'm going over five. Yeah, okay, Yeah,
here's the thing. There's someone you probably should tell Tyreek
Hill that you know, if they even if they did
win seven, you'd be gone by three. So you're not
gonna win. There's this thing called Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson,
Aaron Rodgers, Kyle Shanahan, ballad check. There's a lot of obstacles. Now,

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Fox bet doesn't have odds on winning seven Super Bowls,
but even just for this season where they are the favorite,
that's true. They're plus six hundred. The Ravens are plus
six fifty yea, so they're barely favored to win the
title this year, let alone seven years from now. So
maybe slow down a little, just a tad a better
A newsman John Goulet, Well, that's the news and thanks

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for stopping by the herd line. You cannot believe what
Jamal Adams said about the Jets head coach. We'll have
that coming up top of next hour. Thoughts on what
I saw from the Yankee last night, the Washington football team,
and did anybody see the problems with the Bucks last night?
It worries me. Antonio Daniels is now joining us the
Pelicans color analyst. Played in the NBA for thirteen years.

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One of my favorite people joining us be the Coward
Global Satellite Network. So I've been saying this, this sounds crazy.
I'm gonna tell you something that sounds crazy, but it's true.
So years ago, if I'd have said to you, if
Draymond Green didn't kick Lebron in the you know what,
the Warriors would not have won two more titles. Now

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that sounds ridiculous because he got suspended, but the truth
is they lost. He got suspended, and Kevin Durant later said,
if they'd have beaten Cleveland, I'm not going to Golden State.
So that sounds ridiculous. But Draymond's kicked the Lebron actually
won an additional two titles. It sounds crazy. I'm gonna
say something, Antonio, and you're gonna think I'm nuts. If

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Chris Middleton could dictate the NBA for about five to
ten years, if he struggles and Yannis cannot, Yannis drops
forty a Night's spectacular and can't get past Boston because
there is no two. And you know in this league
now you not only needed two, but a three. Yannis
is leaving and he's going west, and he may go
to the Warriors. And I watched last night and Middleton struggled.

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Yannis was unbelievable, and I think to myself, Chris, you
gotta deliver in the next two months. I know it
sounds crazy. Is Chris Middleton the key to Yanna staying east? No?
I think the key to Yannis staying east is a
lot more than Chris Middleton. You know, when you start
looking at the playoff race and you start looking at

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stars being stars number one, if Yanna's average is forty
points a game, the Bucks are probably going to advance.
But you have to look at more than just Chris Middleton.
There's a lot of role players because what teams are
going to do is exactly what the Toronto Raptors did
last year. They're gonna build a wall. So what that
means is guys, I Chris Middleton, guys like George Heal,
all of the quote unquote role players. They have to

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knock down shots. This is bigger than this. Chris Middleton, Yeah,
you know, it's interesting. I'm i'm I'm watching last night
Dallas and the Lakers, and I really like. I love
Dallas's roster. It's young, it's athletic, they have a twenty
year old start. They're so and I like their coach.
I really like where Dallas is going. And I wanted
to remind the audience this morning in Los Angeles, if

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you take Lebroun out of this Laker team, it looks
a lot like the Pelicans years ago. It's except they
had Drew Holliday, who you know, is a very good player.
I gotta tell you something. I think Lebron is holding.
I do not think the Lakers are brilliantly run. I
do not think they're one of the more well capitalized
ownership groups. I do not love the front office. I
do not love the roster I watched last night. I

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feel like Lebron is super glue to a reality show
of odd unique way past their prime parts. Is am
I reaching on that? No, But Lebron is also He's
the key to that team. And that's a given. That's
a given. I mean, we're talking about at his age
right now, the best player in the world. He is

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the best player in the world. But he's all. This
is also a team that is built and constructed with
guys whose skill set compliment Lebron James. Go back to
the Miami Heat days, go back to the Cleveland Cavalier's days.
These are guys that don't need the basketball. These are
catching shoot or catching finished guys. The only other guy
on that team that actually needs the ball is Anthony Davis.

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Who else on that roster actually needs the basketball to
be effective? This is on Lebron. That is why he
is leading the league and assists. So, I mean, it's
one thing because yeah, you can say, okay, they have
a lot of different personalities. You know, they have a
Dwight Howard or you know, they have a Dion Waiters,
or they have a j. R. Smith, or they have
a Resonald and Ronville. They have a lot of different personalities.
But Lebron, throughout the course of his career, has shown

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to be the ultimate equalizer. So yeah, this is this
is guys that don't need the basketball. This is guys
that they put around Lebron James who still set really
compliment what he does best. Antonio Daniels joining us thirteen
years in the NBA. So I said something this week
and people went crazy. I said, you fans and media

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have never told me points matter. If they did. I
talk about Elvin Hayes, Moses Malone, Dirk Navitsky, and Karl
Malone on my show all the time. I don't I
talk MJ Why because he wins titles and that's what
you all care about. If Kawhi Leonard is holding a
trophy in three months and not Coward, If don't you
do this Colin Coward? If he is holding a trophy,

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third franchise, by the way, he wins in Canada, he
wins with Popovich, he wins with the Clippers, three different styles,
three different coaches. How in God's name is he not
a top ten player? How is he not all that matter? Ten? Maybe? Okay?
So okay, you tell me my starting five all time, Kareem, Lebron, Magic,
Michael who you putting over him? He's better than Larry

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Bird defensively. Okay, it's a lot of different game. See
for me, it is longevity matters. Longevity matters. Like we're
talking about a guy in Kawhi letter. Let's hypothetically say
that you just spoke that into existence and Kawhi Leonard
and the Los Angeles Clippers win a championship. Kawhi Leonards
lay nine years, He's lay nine years. We have to

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give respect to those that came before Kawhi Leonard. You
look at guys like Tim Duncan fifteen time All Star,
Kobe Bryant's fifteen time Off Star, twenty seasons, Shaquille O'Neill
fifteen time All Star, like that matters. If you break
down Kawhi leonards career and again, Kawhi Leonard is fantastic.
So I don't want to sound like I'm discrediting his

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body of work, but in his nine seasons thus far,
he's averaging fifty seven games a season in nine years.
There are other things that matter. Yeah, I think championships
do matter. Things matter, MVPs matter, scoring, tighters matter. You know,
you look at what some of these other guys have done.
This is not to discredit Kawhi leonard because he is fantastic,

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but to automatically thrust him to top five the thing
I try not to be Colin is a prisoner of
the moment. Yeah, Kawhi Leonard is fantastic, but durability and
availability those things count. Those are skills. So just as
much as we give him credit for winning championships in
Canada and winning championship with the San Antonio Spurs and

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possibly winning a championship with the Los Angeles Clippers, now
if this is Lebron, we are discrediting Lebron because he
didn't stay put. So we're saying, oh, he has to
move different places to win championships. But now we're giving
Kawhi Leonard credit for doing that same exact thing. Okay,
so I'll throw this at ship. So let's not take
Michael and Kareem and let's go KD. Today. Katie's better

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than Kawhi. Everybody thinks that in three months, Kawhi is
holding and has led three teams to titles. Who's better
legacy k D. He doesn't play the defense. I don't
know if he's mentally quite as strong as Kauai. Well,
we can't take that stuff. We don't take how manyally strong,

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somebody is into consideration when we're talking about all time greats,
we don't can't take that to consider No, we're taking
the consideration mental toughness. Now, we're we're we're now we're searching. Now,
we're really searching here, because again, if we look at
the overall resume of things, look at Kevin Durant's overall resume,
you know, as far as two time champion, two time

(30:38):
finals MVP scoring titles, four time scoring champion, all of
the one of the, if not one of the best
offensive players to ever grace the NBA. YEP, yep, YEP, MVP, YEP, MVP,
all of the And that's the other thing about Kawhi
Leonard that he has not done that everybody else on
this list has done that we're talking about. He has

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one an MVP, but he want to do It's tough
to put somebody in the top five, but he wanted
he won a Defensive Player of the Year, an All
Star MVP, he would have a third title leading the team.
He's got to be somewhere around the top dozen. Can
you acknowledge that we gotta start talking Definitely, I can
definitely acknowledge that college, but to go all the way

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to top five and to just jump over guys like
Tim Duncan, to jump over guys like Kobe Bryant, to
jump over guys like Seaquille O'Neill and Wilt Chamberlain and
Kevin Durant, these guys that if you look at their
overall resume and durability and availability and longevity of their careers,
that matters. That has to count for something. So I
gotta tell you a story. I love Zion out of college,

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and I said, I'm in a prediction. I said, he's
gonna be a top twenty player in the league. I
don't care that he can't shoot. That's not fair. He's
at eighteen years old. A lot of guys come into
this league and can't shoot. You know that you can
develop a shot. What you can't develop is that body,
that charisma, that power. You can't develop that stuff. Some
of it's just DNA, right, But it's interesting with Zion.

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So I was talking to Mark Cuban about three or
four months ago. The NBA ratings were down, and we
went to an email exchange and I said, you know,
I think the NBA ratings are down because everybody's hurt.
And he said to me, goes, Colin, that's overrated. There's
only about two guys in this league that get a rating,
you know, Lebron does, maybe Steph does, and Durant does.
He goes. It's people either like the game or they don't.
It's not just about individual stars. And it got me

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thinking about how many guys move the needle in the
NBA ratings. And I'm thinking to myself, Zion set college
records with Duke broke the NBA Summer League ratings. The
league put him in the Bubble opening game, the Christmas
opening game, and the NBA regular season opening game. Could
I make the argument Rick Bucher did yesterday he is
the number one TV drawn this league today this morning. Yeah,

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you can. You can definitely make that argument. And I
think one of the reasons that you can make that
argument is because we've seen Lebron so long. Lebron is
the best player in the world, but we've seen Lebron. Yeah,
with Zion, we only have nineteen games a footage. You
know what this young man brings to the table, Like

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you said, side, strength, athleticism, agility, that body all in
one package is unheard of. He's one of one in
NBA history. And you can have greatness fatigue, you know,
like we talk about all the time when you think
about how boring the San Antonio Spurs were for twenty
straight seasons, or the New England Patriots, or when Tom

(33:29):
Brady and Belichick, like, you can become fatigued with greatness.
And as great as Lebron is, we know what we're
going to get out of Lebron. You know. With these
young guys in the NBA, the Zions, the Lucas, de
Trey Youngs, some of these guys like they're just scratching
the surface as far as the future is concerned, and
it is exciting to watch these guys grow before eye.

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We did the same thing with Lebron when he came
in his first game in Sacramento. It's like, oh man,
this guy's great. Let's see what he becomes. Now he's
in the goat conversation. So to watch the process of
someone come into this league and become a boy and
growing to a man, it's awesome to see. And right
now I can definitely I agree. I'm traveling with this team.
I have seen what it's like when you pull up

(34:11):
at hotels. I've seen what it's like when Zion walks
into the building, Like there's a different aura, there's a
different ambiance around these young man. You should be a broadcaster.
You're very, very good. You know you should try that
broadcasting thing out. Antonio Daniels, Pelicans Analyst. I love having
you on the show man, love your energy. I love
having you on, and I like the fact that you
disagreed with all my stuff today. But I still love you. Thanks,

(34:35):
Dino brother. Anytime you need me, I'm here, man all right,
Antonio Daniels, love having him on the show. Coming up next,
Washington football team. They're not giving him a name, is
it Dan Snyder? Just trying to control be rigid and
be obnoxious. I'll have some thoughts on that. Be sure
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dot com code heard summer breakdowns happen, Rhodes hot car
gets hotter. So for years and years, Washington's football team
had a nickname. It is now an inappropriate nickname. And
Dan Snyder is going to call it for the following
year the Washington football team. Now, I admit I was

(35:23):
skeptical when he didn't have another name. I thought, Dan
Snyder's controlling, he's trying to prove a point. Hey NFL,
I'm gonna take my time. Hey NFL, I'm gonna make
it look strange. And I was very much the media cynic.
And then I thought to myself, one thing that's missing

(35:46):
in the media today, and I think most people, this
is what frustrates me about the media is that people
jump to their initial conclusion, don't do any homework, and
then add no context to it. They just throw gas
on a fire. And I thought to myself, Dan Snyder
has a resume that I should be skeptical about. And
he does. But I was thinking yesterday, Dan Snyder probably

(36:10):
doesn't have a nickname yet. And here's why Seattle got
a new hockey team yesterday. It's called the Kraken. People
in Seattle don't like it, and they looked at twelve
hundred nicknames, and people in Seattle still don't like it.
And they have an incredibly cool hype video, and people
in Seattle still think it's a Corning nickname. They took

(36:32):
multiple stabs at the logo, multiple dozen stabs at the logo.
Seattle was awarded an NHL team in twenty eighteen. Twenty
months later, twenty months later, twelve hundred different names, they
went through this is it, and the city of Seattle

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was real hit and missing it. Fifty percent fifty percent didn't.
The Washington Wizards decided the year was nineteen ninety five.
We don't want to be called the Bullets anymore. I
believe the reason was escalating violence and they didn't think
the symbolism was good. Twenty months later, eighteen to twenty

(37:13):
months later, they finally unveiled the Wizards. Okay, July thirteenth,
Washington announced we're getting a new logo. Can we really expect?
On July twenty fourth, they have it and a nickname.
And I know what you're saying. Colin dan Snyder knew
this would be changed. No, he didn't. Dan Snyder said,

(37:36):
over my dead body, will the logo ever be changed?
Will the name ever been changed? He's stubborn. We've seen
it over and over again, and stubborn people don't have
an auxiliary plan. Stubborn people don't have something else, waiting
in case their plan doesn't work. He's a billionaire, he
gets his way. He was stubborn. You'll never change it.

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So if on July thirteenth it gets changed, I think
it's unfair to say, in July twenty four, why don't
you have it where it is? Where is it? Seattle?
Yesterday took thousands of names, dozens of stabs, and I
thought the hype video was unbelievable. And people in Seattle
are like, I mean, I got Seattle. Friends are all
texting me. I hate it. I'm like the videos great.

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They're like the videos great, the name's corny. That won't
last for a year, And I'm like, it'll last, it's fine.
And look at the time they spent with it. So
if you take out your political leanings and your belief
on life, I think it's unrealistic to think of football
team in eleven days is going to have it all
sewed up. It's a big city, it's a big issue.
There's red tape bureaucracy. Folks in New York. It takes

(38:42):
almost two years to get a divorce. I'm not joking.
Look it up. It takes almost two years to get
a divorce in New York. Stuff takes time, a lot
of things to work through. So now my bigger issue
with Washington and Dan Snyder, I never see any leadership.
They have a massive sexual hair spent story a week
ago that came out. He hasn't spoken on it. I

(39:03):
am in no way defending him as an owner. There's
no correlation between rich and a great leader. A lot
of rich people are great leaders, and a lot of
rich people are smart enough to hire great leaders. This
organization has done poor with both. So Snyder to me's
as bad an owner as the NFL has. But I
think you have to be fair, as stubborn and as

(39:24):
rigid as he can be. We got to give him
a couple of months to get this right. How about
how about six months? And by the way, as an owner,
he gets to sell this merchandise and the new stuff,
and I think, I think the stuff they're going to
use this year is actually it's pretty cool for now,
pretty cool for now. It's the Herd Hour two conup,
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Higheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio FS one had Dodger Baseball

(40:08):
last night, Yankee baseball last night. I'll get to the
Yankees in the second. Eric Carros is going to be
joining us, Michael Vick, Chris Brussard, Jason McIntyre, John Goulay.
It is great to have you in on a Friday, folks.
March eleventh, the NBA pulled out. Sports pretty much ended
second week of March for us. We got through April,
we got through May, we got through June. It's July.

(40:30):
It's late July. We have sports back. I can only
say thank you for those who stayed with us. Thank
you for those who patronize our sponsors. We really appreciate it.
Thank you to our bosses who, somehow, in the middle
of a pandemic, we're allowing us to come back to
our studio. Just thank you to everybody. This has been

(40:50):
not the easiest stretch, but it's been a lot harder
for other people than me. I'm the lucky one, Okay,
I gotta talk sports, So thank you for coming back.
Are long. Four month nightmare is over. We have sports.
I'm crossing my fingers on football. I have good vibes
about pro football college. I don't know it's a coin flip,

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but I do think the NBA has done a great
job on this. I think it looks good. I think
the MLS bubble and the NBA bubble maybe the most
secure way to do it. There's a lot of restrictions,
but I watched a lot of soccer and a lot
of basketball over the last three or four days. I
think they've done a great job. Don Gerber and Adam
Silver deserve credit. This is hard. Ask the airline industry,

(41:32):
Ask governors, ask restaurants. This is hard. T twenty is
the hardest year of my life. For everybody. It's hard.
So if you can get through it and just figure
out a way to bulldoze through it, tip of the
cat for me to you. So let me talk about
support for a second. Like, we all have egos, right,

(41:53):
if you're successful in life, you're like, yeah, I deserve
a lot of credit. I'm very smart, and you probably
are if you've had a very successful life, But be
honest with yourself, you got support. You got help, maybe
from your dad, maybe from a boss, maybe from an agent,
somebody that believed in you. I've worked hard, but man,

(42:16):
I've gotten help. And Adam Gase got ripped again head
coach of the Jets by Jamal Adams. Jamal Adams called
him out yesterday and he blistered him, and he blistered
him publicly. And Jamal Adams is a great player and
he can say what he wants, but it's not a
good day to be Adam Gaze. Yesterday, Jamal Adams came
out and say I don't think he's the right leader

(42:37):
for the team to take us to the Promised Land.
Really bothers me. Doesn't have a relationship with everybody in
the building. He doesn't address the team. If there's a
problem in the locker room, he lets another coach address it.
If we're playing like crap and we're losing, he doesn't
address the entire team as a group. At halftime, we
walk out of the locker room and let another coach
handle it. He said, I'm gonna play for my teammates.

(42:57):
I am not here to say Adam Gaze is perfect
or that Jamal Adams is wrong. What I'm here to
say is I trust my NFL sources. I've got a
lot of them, and I talked to him. Kyle Shanahan
is thought of as the smartest young coach in the NFL.
People tell me Adam Gase has a lot of Kyle

(43:20):
Shanahan qualities, really intense, can shut people out occasionally, really smart,
almost intimidatingly intense. But there's a difference here. Kyle Shanahan
has an advisor named Mike Shanahan, top ten coach in
NFL history. Mike Shanahan watches every practice, and Kyle Shanahan

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can call his dad, and his dad can talk him
off the cliff or give him advice. Adam Gase doesn't
have that. His dad don't know him. Was a construction
for him and fine job, but he didn't have Mike
Shanahan to call. And then Kyle Shanahan has maybe the
most likable person I've ever met in the NFL. John

(44:05):
Lynch Stanford Educated played the game as a general manager
till once again, bad day talk him off the cliff.
Adam Gase barely knows his GM. He didn't hire him,
nor did he hire his defensive coordinator Greg Williams, and
reportedly Williams and Adam Gase aren't tight. Kyle Shanahan's defensive coordinators.

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Robert Salah, excellent young football coach, would step in front
of a train for his head coach, The owner of
the San Francisco forty nine ers, generally well received, got
a little bumpy with Jim tom Sula, the owner of
the New York Jets. Do you read the stories this
week about Woody Johnson not great support matters. I'm not

(44:50):
saying Adam Gase is perfect, but his career record is
thirty and thirty four with two totally dysfunctional teams. You
know what, Kyle Shanahan's career record is twenty three and
twenty five. I mean Kyle Shanahan because Jimmy Garoppolo had
a bad fourth quarter. You saw those stories come out.

(45:12):
They wanted to get rid of Garoppolo and then he
probably called his dad Mike or talked to John And
I'm not blaming Kyle Shanahan. I think he's the best
young football coach in America. But he's young. He's lost
a couple of big games, but he's got advisers and
an owner and a GM and a defensive coordinator who
have his back? Who are there to help him? As

(45:34):
stuff matters when you're young and don't quite have the
trophy yet Adam Gase has none of that. Dad wasn't
a legendary coach, defensive coordinator, wants his job, owners, constantly
in trouble, nothing but chaos, and now your star players
calling out publicly in the number one media market in
the country, not saying Adam gas is great, but you

(45:55):
cannot find me a single great NFL coach or GM
who didn't have support. Go look at Belichick's career. Why
do you think he gets emotional on those thirty for
thirties when he walks through the halls of New York
Giant Stadium. He knows the support he had from the
Marrow family. Why do you think Bill parcels and he

(46:18):
you know, it's a little prickly when they're together because
he learned a lot from Bill, and Bill learned a
lot from him. You cannot cannot succeed to the highest
levels without having somebody there to help you through the bumps.
Kyle's got him, Adam doesn't, and I feel bad for him,

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all right, So I watched the Yankee game last night. Now,
baseball fans, it should be noted, are traditionalists more than
any sport. Baseball struggled to figure out instant replay. Little
League Baseball got it together faster than Baseball. That's fine,
they're into tradition. I'm not a traditionalist. I didn't grow
up in that kind of household. I like the NBA,

(47:00):
I like NFL their flexibility, MLS World Cup, I like
new stuff. I'm not really in the tradition, but I
do think baseball at its core, its history is pretty amazing.
A lot of it's memorable. But I watched the Yankees
last night, a star studded team in an unbelievable stadium,
with unbelievable history, but with no fans. It one very interesting.

(47:26):
They're in Washington. Excuse me, but Washington won the World
Series full of stars, Yankees, full of stars. We've got
all sorts of history here. That game had no juice.
That game had no juice. Why Because tomorrow Fox, who
I think does a much better job on big production,
Fox is going to do baseball and they're gonna have fans,

(47:49):
virtual fans, and baseball fans are gonna hate it. Oh,
Baseball fans are gonna complain and yell and screen. Baseball
fans do not like new stuff. They don't NBA fans love,
NBA players love it. NFL fans are used to it.
MLS fans, soccer fans like it. Baseball fans do not
like new stuff. This is not a shot at my

(48:09):
former employer. That was boring last night. That broadcast was Crickets,
that kept showing you things, validating nobody was there. Here's
the empty hotdog stand, here the empty stands. In baseball's
unique they need fans seventh inning stretch, I mean baseball
foul balls into the stands, like we're reminded constantly in

(48:31):
baseball of the stands and there's nobody in them. And
a game that's already incredibly slow paced and methodical gets
really really slow without some ambiance and without some crowd noise,
really slow. Nats and the Yankees, you could argue they
have seven of the top twenty players in the sport.

(48:52):
You don't need ambience, right, you don't need now you do?
You really really do. I watched the MLS, I watched
the NBA. I don't really need fans. I don't really
miss them because I'm not reminded when I watch soccer
or basketball of the fans very often. But in baseball,
every foul ball, every home run, the fans are empty,

(49:17):
the stands are empty. There's nobody there. So Fox is
going to do something tomorrow. And I've always thought Fox,
Trump's ESPN on big events, Super Bowls, World Series. I
think they're really good at it. It's what we do
really really well here. But fans will complain. I'm sure
I won't be on it, but I'm sure Twitter will
be imploding with baseball traditionalists going crazy. Baseball fan it's

(49:42):
gonna be okay. The ratings are going to be great.
They were good last night. They're going to be great.
We are a television production company. I've watched MLS and
NBA fans irrelevance ninety percent of the sport. It really is.
It feels eighty ninety percent of the sport when you
can put that many great players in a baseball field.
And I'm watching that thing last night and I'm like, man,
it needs something here. We've got to have some juice. Man.

(50:03):
Every foul ball, every home run, every shot of the stands.
You're gonna be okay, Baseball fans, It's just gonna be
it's gonna be a little uncomfortable for you. It's new stuff.
I know you don't like new stuff. I get it,
I understand it. Baseball fans like their tradition. They're mickey man,
I'll talk. I've said this before in sports talk radio.
If you listen to a host who loves baseball, it's

(50:24):
virtually impossible to do a fifteen minute ran on baseball
and not talk about something in the rearview mirror. I've
never once, as a football loving guy, talked about Red
Grange ever, Otto Graham, I don't have to. Football is windshield.
Baseball is tied off into windshield and rearview mirror. And
this is gonna get heavily criticized. It'll work. It's gonna work.

(50:51):
I promise it'll be okay. We're all gonna be okay eventually.
Coming up next, Eric Carros on the Dodgers. When you're
really good and get breaks like the Raptors last year,
it usually means a title. The Dodgers are really good,
and because of this shortened season, are getting a series
of breaks that play to their advantage, from a DH

(51:13):
to the schedule, to left and right hitters all through
their roster and the new bullpen rules. Eric Carrolls to
discuss it. Coming up next. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Herd Weekdays in nouoneaster nine am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Tomorrow,
Fox Saturday Baseball is back. The Cubs class with the

(51:35):
Brewers at one, the Dodgers battle the Giants at four,
and the Yankees face the World Series champion Nationals itself seven.
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Visit geico dot com to learn more. So the Yankees
opened up last night, They pick up a w It
got stopped by bad weather, inclement weather, and the Dodgers
game was closed for a while. They explode late in
Joining me now via the Coward Global Satellite Network are
Buddy Eric Carros, Fox Sports Baseball analysts. Decade and a
half in Major League Baseball. Most home runs in Dodger

(52:20):
history or third most. Let me read this again, most
home runs in LA Dodger history, LA, Dodger lad, I
see you know, it's very confusing. I'm getting up there
in age. So I watched last night and you look
at the Dodger lineup, Eric, good god, I mean they
may just bring Jock Peterson into DH at some point.

(52:42):
I know I'm in LA and I don't want it.
And you played for the Dodgers, and I don't want
to be like too much of a homer here, but
I'm looking at this lineup. This is the best lineup
they've ever had. They didn't even play Chris Taylor last night. Like,
when you look at it, what do you see? What
would be problematic for teams? Thank god, I'm not pitching
against him. And it was interesting because last night Dave Roberts,

(53:05):
the manager of the Dodgers, was asked if he'd ever
been around a team that had to line up his
former We just lost him, we'll get him back, or
what the issue was there? We go, we'll get him
back in a second. Eric carros I did not hear

(53:26):
the Dave Roberts commentary. What'd recall him mean? We're gonna
put him on the all right? So Ma Max Munsey
is one of twelve players in the entire sport with
seventy plus home runs over the last two years. He's
their leadoff hitter. And it goes to Mookie Betts, the

(53:49):
American League MVP. Then it goes to the nationally gam
MVP in twenty nineteen, Cody Bellinger. Then it's Justin Turner,
who is on base percentage. He just gets on base,
he kind of he gets a lot of stuff going.
Last year almost had thirty jacks. Then it goes into
Corey Seeger, the rookie of the Year three years ago,
Kik Hernandez Jack Peterson, AJ Pollock, and they don't the

(54:09):
picture doesn't hit anymore. So at least this year. Is
that going forward or just this year or have they
made the change just that this is the twenty twenty
so And with the bullpen now you gotta you basically
have to pitch. You gotta get you gotta get through
the inning. You can't manipulate marginalized teams by bringing a
lefty in and a righty in. The Dodgers are about

(54:30):
the most talented roster you've ever seen, and they have
and as good as the Yankees are, the Yankees have
a much tougher schedule and the Yankees have a almost
all their best hitters hit from the right side of
the infield, the right side of the plate, so it's
just a different ball game. In terms of the Dodgers,
do we have Eric back yet? Can you give me
your heads up or something? Yeah, let's get to news first.

(54:52):
Let's go to John Goulay with the news. No, no,
this is the line news sponsored by Liberty Mutual Insurance
only paid for what you need. So there's no doubt.
One of the most anticipated quarterback debuts this season will
be when Tua finally gets to start for the Dolphins.

(55:13):
He told USA Today quote, I'd say I'm ready to go.
It's kind of one of those things where you start
getting the itch to get back out on the field
and be able to compete. It's going to be a
new setting, so that's even more exciting. None of us
really know if he's healthy until we see him play, Right,
that's always going to be that he had a major
injury not that long ago, and there is no preseason
Well he's healthy enough to practice. Sure, nobody wants to

(55:35):
see him succeed, probably more than you. Right, you're a
big fan. You want to take him number one overall,
but there's no preseason, there's limited camps. Ryan Fitzpatrick's a
good player and an offense that's going to be kind
of built more for Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's already familiar with it.
I would start, I would I get starting Fitzpatrick. My

(55:56):
only takeaway is you're going to be three practices in
and you're gonna look at and go a holy hell,
he's way. This is special. That's what I was gonna say.
You had originally said he's going to be too good
in practice, but they're not really practicing yet, and there's
really no chance for him to impress people or just
get any reps. I just I talked to an NFL
executive two days ago and he goes, He goes, I
think we're gonna have a lot of practices, but he goes,

(56:18):
what if we have twenty practices? What if that's it? Yeah?
What if what if twenty practices is all we have? Well,
guess what then Ryan Fitzpatrick's a starting quarterback. Well, and
you think that the Dolphins are going to be decent
this year, so you know you're not gonna bench a
quarterback if you're if you're doing r right. If you're
winning games, it's gonna be tough. And we know Fitzpatrick
for three games a year, it's an MVP. It's just

(56:38):
the other thirteen where you don't know what you're gonna get. No.
He you know, he's a very He's kind of the
opposite of Derek Carr. He'll he'll just let it rip always.
Where is Derek Carr? I like, but he doesn't let
it rip. He's like Kirk Cousins. Sometimes you're like, come on,
let it go, let it go. When I look at
Ryan Fitzpatrick, his problem is he's not cautious, so he

(56:59):
can have these unbelievable Sundays where he throws for three
or four touchdowns in a half and then he can
just implode. He's one of those guys. If you if
you better be prepared for him. But there's a way
to beat Ryan Fitzpatrick. Challenge him to make big throws
and he will. He will let it rip. Don't forget
last nine games last year. I believe they went or
five and four with fitzpatrim So some good news potentially

(57:22):
coming out of the Pack twelve. The conference is finalizing
plans for a ten game conference only schedule to begin
in mid September. Okay, so did this come out last night?
This came out yesterday's according to the San Jose Mercury News.
All right, so there will be You'll play five games
against your division, which you do now, and then five
games against the other division. There'll be two buy weeks

(57:43):
built into the schedule, so they can if they need
to cancel the game, remove it. They have some flexibility.
The final version of this plan is supposed to be
proposed next week. Pack twelve presidents could elect to just
keep it at the nine conference games they were already
scheduled to do, if they want to be more cautious.
I think this makes a lot of sense, not just
for the PAC twelve, but for every conference. If the
problem is playing out of conference games you don't, then

(58:07):
why do you have to only play the ones you
had scheduled? Why not just do a full season of
In the SEC, you could literally get on a bus
and six teams closer Atlanta, But now the PAC twelve
you can't. You could do it about twice. No, but
the idea is we don't want to play teams with
different standards, right, So okay, other than the big twelve,
where you already play every team in the conference. Every

(58:28):
school could add conference games to their schedule without playing
an opponent twice well, and there's also there is a
regionalization of the sport where Southern fans mostly watch Southern
football and Big ten fans, although they will watch an
SEC game, they mostly watch Big ten football, and PAC
twelve fans are really the only part of the country

(58:48):
that really watch PAC twelve games. So the idea that
you're just going to empower your conference schedule is not
going to be punitive for college football. I think you're
still gonna get I don't think you're number are gonna
go down. I'll make a prediction if you take the
out of conference games, have more quality games and only
player conference, the ratings will go up. Less junk, more

(59:09):
intense rivalries. I think, in a weird way, college football
is getting kind of deluded. I think this is good
for the television ratings in college football, which is more
big games in conference and more and more about winning
your nine state region. I think it'll be fine for
college football. We all know that the first month of
college football's drag. It's just like four good games and

(59:30):
a bunch of bad citadel against bad schools when you
don't even play every team in your conference. I'd rather
see USC play Washington State than Fresno State, right, and
you know that they every Big Ten, especially SEC, there's
tons of teams they don't even play each other. They
can easily do that and finally done some breaking bubble news.

(59:51):
Clippers guard Lou Williams has reportedly left campus this morning
for an excused personal reason. He is expected to return
to campus soon, according to Andrew Grief of the Los
Angeles Times, that's the third Clipper that's left. Yeah, so
that so Patrick Beverley left, Mantras Harold left, Now Lou
Williams left, Lundrey Shammit had COVID. So he hasn't been

(01:00:13):
with them, and Zoobots hasn't been with the team. That's
five of their top eight rotational players. I'm gonna make
I'm gonna give you. I want to throw something out. Okay,
this is Doc Rivers being very smart. Doc Rivers knows
he's got an incredibly deep team and he's not worried
about the first round. So Doc Rivers, they're in the playoffs.
He doesn't care about the first day games. What Doc

(01:00:34):
Rivers is doing. He's letting one guy go every four
or five days if they've got a I'm not saying
the players are making it up, but if they have
a reason, Doc's like, listen, we're deep. I'm not worried
about the first round. Let's let our guys. This Doc
Rivers is. If you know Doc Rivers and the history
Doc Rivers. Players like him. Doc. He's a former player,

(01:00:55):
he's very he can be very pro player. He's very permissive.
He'll let guys take days off, He'll let I sit
out of practice. This is why players love Doc. This
is why guys like going to play for Doc Rivers.
Word travels fast. If Montrez Harrold says, coach, I got
a little bit, go go, go go, And this is
the team in the league more than any team Boston
maybe close that can afford to say, listen, we can

(01:01:16):
start the season without you, and we can start the
season without you. They go nine to ten. D well that,
but also they're not really playing. They don't have the
one seed. They can't get it right. They were already
kind of planning on not having any team chemistry because
their stars don't even play all the time. So this
is nothing new to them. So I mean, why not
have a happier locker room. Let guy every four fifth day,
Let a guy go. If he's got some sort of

(01:01:37):
personal thing, let him go. Keep your team as happy
as you can. It also tells you how well constructed
they are. This doesn't make me think. I don't think
anything less of the Clippers. They also, I mean there's
a little you know, there's a little danger in terms
of protocol of coming back into the bubble. Their first
game is in six days. But okay, so you lose
to the Lakers first night because you don't have some

(01:01:58):
of your guys. Yeah, okay, all right, I'm trying to
beat them in a seven game series in September, not now.
Veteran newsman John Goule, Well, that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by. The Thirdline News. Eric Harrouse will join
us in about thirty seconds sixty seconds. No, it's it's

(01:02:19):
just when I look at Doc Rivers history that Doc
Rivers was always known in Boston is that if they
go on a road trip, let's say they go play
Miami Orlando, you know they're going on the southern road
trip Atlanta, and he's got veteran players, Paul Pierce and
Ray Allen and KG. You know, Doc was the kind
of guy that would say, guys, no shoot around if
you if you don't, if we win the first game

(01:02:39):
of the series, no shoot around for the rest of
the trip. That goes a long way with veteran NBA players,
and that's why people really respect Doc. He understands the
temperature of the room, he understands how players think. And
so I'm not saying guys are just making stuff up,
but I could see Doc stepping in and go, guys,
you got any friction, We'll let you go one at
a time for the next two weeks. We'll let you

(01:03:00):
get home and get stuff sorted out. I could totally
see that happening. Eric Carroll's joins US again fourteen seasons
with the Dodgers. Okay, I asked this question before we had,
you know, technical difficulties. When you look at the Dodgers lineup,
what do you see, Eric, I see a team that
does not have any weaknesses. And it's pretty tough to
say that, and over a course of maybe one hundred

(01:03:22):
and sixty two games, there will present itself some vulnerabilities.
But man, with this Dodgers club right now. I mean,
you see what happens. Kershaw gets scratched. They bring up
Dustin May, who was not even on the thirty man roster,
and he's thrown you know, one hundred miles an hour,
you know as a nice outing the Dodgers, you know

(01:03:43):
a little slow out of the gate, but with that lineup,
they're gonna wear you down, and you know, they end
up winning the eight one. I think you know I
said this, Eric, they get a couple of breaks. Number one,
their schedules much easier than say the Astros or the Yankees.
Number two is this, you got to come in from
the bullpen and finish the inning or get at least

(01:04:03):
three batters out. With the Dodgers lineup where five of
the best hitters or lefties, four of the best hitters
or righties, you can't. You can't do it, Tony LaRussa
and calling the other guy and the other guy. It
feels like at plays right into the Dodgers roster hands. Yeah.
I mean that's something that's going to present other manager,
you know, opposing managers problems. Either the depth, I think

(01:04:24):
what's going to separate them from anybody as the depth
because everybody is going to be dealing with you know,
the great unknown, you know, this next couple of months,
and that's health, whether that's COVID or whether that's injury.
And because of their depth, you know, look at the
reality is they could probably run out two big league
starting rotations. They could probably run out two big league teams,

(01:04:48):
competitive big league teams. And I don't think there are
any there many other organizations that can do that. Now,
maybe the one through nine or competitive or one through
fourteen or competitive. Look at the Yankees are obviously a
very deep team, but I don't know that they have
the lineup that the Dodgers have that The Dodgers are

(01:05:09):
so versatile, that's it's what makes them crazy. If you
watch the last night's game, Bets and Bellinger impacted the
game with their legs basse running hustle plays. I'm not
talking about hitting the ball over the fence. I'm not
talking about making a great defensive play. I'm talking about
a hustle play from third where Mookie Bets scores and

(01:05:29):
another one where Bellinger gets in a rundown and allows
runners to get the second and third and then you know,
base hit, two run score they're so virtually I mean,
I can go on and on about them. Yeah, the
Mookie Bets contract the Dodgers league baseball attendance by a
long shot. They've got, next to the Yankees, the biggest

(01:05:49):
revenue stream in baseball. And I said this yesterday. You
go to Dodger Stadium. It is just they got it.
They got it figured out, they got it buttoned up there,
and they're always updating it. And I look at the
Mookie Bets on track and I think thirty million bucks
does not feel prohibitive. But Mike Trout thirty five with
the Angels does kind of feel prohibitive. How do you think,

(01:06:10):
I mean, the Dodgers have been reluctant to hand out
big deals despite their revenue. What did you make of
the contract? I mean, this is going to sound crazy,
but it's a great deal for the Dodgers. I think
the Dodgers got a bargain. And the reason I say that,
look at Andrew Friedman has constructed this ball club to
where he didn't have any payroll liability beyond twenty twenty two.

(01:06:31):
So he has been structuring the payroll for this moment
and for this type of player. So Mookie Betts comes
into spring training and immediately, you know, makes an impact
with a clubhouse speech, the leadership, the way he assimilates
with the ball club. As good as he is on
the field, he may make more of an impact with

(01:06:54):
this organization off the field. And that's crazy to say,
but it's it's true, And not only with his teammates,
but also within the community socially. There are so many
tentacles to this contract that again, I think Andrew Friedman
hit an absolute home run, and Mookie Betts is going

(01:07:14):
to assimilate into this community and this organization as well
as you could possibly expect. I mean, this couldn't have
been drawn up any better. So I'm watching NAT's Yankees
last night, and it is weird. You've got nine stars
in that game, and it is there's just no there's nothing.
I mean, there's just it. You know, you're gonna have
empty stadiums. And I was saying this to John Smoltz

(01:07:35):
the other day. I don't know, so I'll ask you
eventually how it affects hitters. But as a pitcher, I
remember talking to Kirk Shilling about this, Like you get
into these big moments and you know, you're in the
eighth inning and you've got about two fastballs left in
the mid nineties, and you're sitting on that mound, and
you can't tell me Fenway Park, you can't tell me.
Yankee Stadium. You can't tell me. I don't get a

(01:07:56):
little juice from the crowd to rear back and throw
ninety six for one of the ask two times. And
and John Smult agreed. He said, there's there's no question
that you feed as a pitcher in later innings. That
crowd absolutely elevates you as a batter. Does it matter
at all, crowd or no. Absolutely, I mean, the adrenaline
gets going. So now I've got to find something else

(01:08:17):
to get me, you know, there's a lack of a
better phrase, but to get me pissed off, to get
me fired up, to get me and and I can
draw on that. It's it's no different than it's really
no different than an actor having to cry, right, And
so they've got to draw on some experience to create
that emotion. So now I'm playing, so I've got to
think what's at stake or create some sort of false

(01:08:42):
narrative outside of fans and screaming and yelling and I
can draw on that and for each each player it's
going to be something different. Right, Um, maybe I absolutely
Maybe the guy out on the mound I have a
dislike form for for some reason, and maybe I can
I can create ate that dislike. Um, maybe maybe that

(01:09:02):
at bad at the plate, I'm I'm I'm doing it
for my kid, right, I'm doing it for like my family.
There's there's got to be something and you will create
that and your your teammates can help you create that
as well. And I think as we go on in
the next you know, the next couple of weeks, and
you know, guys have had a little bit of it
with with with this, the you know, the summer camp,

(01:09:24):
the spring training stuff. The you're going to find out
what makes you tick and what what creates that that
adrenaline because it is going to the fans. They were
there and you didn't have to create it yourself. And
now you will have to find something and guys will
find something. Yeah, we're lucky this year. We have the Yankees,

(01:09:47):
we have the Dodgers. I don't know if I ask
you this in a sixty game season. The truth of
the matter is your flaws may not be unveiled, and
if they are, you're still in playoff contention. I mean,
one hundred and sixty two season by June. If you're
if you got a bad infield, you're just you're I'm
going to see it, Helen. Sixty games, you can fool

(01:10:08):
people for twenty five? Is there one crazy team in
this sport? And you think to yourself, I don't know,
but they benefit from a lack of a full season. Well,
the lack of a full season for me right now,
I mean, I think the Astros benefit the most from
all of this, right just because of the no fan experience.
If you're talking about now, you know, can a team

(01:10:31):
with a shortened season physically, I'd say the White Sox
because they are young enough, athletic enough. They don't they could.
This could be their hot streak, these sixty games, right
and where they don't get exposed over one hundred and
sixty two. Uh, you know, they could sneak through with
their pitching. They could. And that's a team that you know, Uh,

(01:10:53):
one of my colleague, Frank Thomas, you know, he's actually
talked about them going to the World Series. Now I'm
not going to go that far at all, but that's
a team that I could see, you know what they
could They could sneak through it if they stay injury free.
The Reds are another team as well that that benefit
from from sixty games season. Um, you know, look at

(01:11:14):
this season is gonna be so fun. It really is.
And because there's so much unpredictability and they're gonna be
there's gonna be something happening every day where people are
gonna go, oh my goodness, whether it was Soto yesterday
not being able to play for the Nationals, the two
catchers for the Braves today can't suit up, so that changes.
I mean, it's it is crazy. What's gonna be going on.

(01:11:36):
It's gonna be so fun to watch Eric Carrolls fourteen
years in the bigs. Fox Sports could talk Anyboddy, Hey,
thanks for having me, Colin be well, Budd, all right.
Chris Brusard, NBA watched it last night, like what I saw.
He joins me next be sure to catch live editions
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(01:11:57):
Former New York Times sportswriter Odd couple joining me via
the Coward Global Satellite Network. Odd couple with Doug Buddy,
Rob Parker, Fox Sports Radio. Let's start with this Lakers.
I watched them last night. I like the Dallas roster.
I like the Dallas youth, I like the Dallas athleticism,
and I'm watching the Lakers and I'm like, my god,
if you took Lebron out of this roster, it's the
Pelicans four years ago with Anthony Davis. And I don't

(01:12:20):
even think there is good because I love Drew Holiday.
How are they number one in the West by five
and a half games, Chris, If Lebron can carry this
team to a title, we have to acknowledge this is
goat stuff, right, It's second go this god junior stuff.
He'd be second to Jordan, which is what he is
right now. Look, they miss Avery Bradley, and if you

(01:12:41):
talk to some people around the league, that's the concern
about the Lakers is what's their perimeter defense going to
look like? So that is the big question. Look, I'm
giving him a shot. Lebron obviously is terrific. He looks
like he's in great shape. Yes, but that was a
subtle way for you to say Lebron's and yeah, and
I'm about to do my I'm gonna fill out all

(01:13:03):
my ballots this weekend, Colin. Yeah, and Lebron will not
be number one on my MVP. He'll be number two
behind Yannis. It's cut and dried. Yannis has the regular stats,
the analytics stats, the team wins, doesn't have the second superstar.
The same formula I used to give lebroni MVPN oh

(01:13:25):
nine to twenty ten in Cleveland is the same formula
I'm using for Yannis. So it's only fair that the
guy Milwaukee gets it. By the way, Chris Middleton didn't
touch a ball for four months. It looked like it
last night. Good lord, right, it was bad. I want
to get to this. If all I know is this,
Kawhi Leonards holding the trophy in three months, third MVP,

(01:13:48):
third win, third franchise, never been done. How do I
not put him in my top five all time or
top ten? How do I not how top five all time?
I'm three time, three ms. I'm a guy that is
picked Kawhi to lead the Clippers to the championship this year.

(01:14:09):
But slow down, Colin, There's no way I'm putting him
ahead the shock Kobe Tim Duncan, what about KD? He
would his rings would be better than Kd's for sure,
because you know those rings of Golden State, their rings.
I'm not trying to disc KD, but they weren't the

(01:14:29):
hardest rings of the world. These would be worth more.
Let's say that. But here's the thing, um kawhi to me.
If he wins it this year, and you're right, he
becomes the first guy to lead three franchises. But when
he wanted in San Antonio, yes, Finals, MVP, no best
player on that team. He averaged twelve points that year.

(01:14:50):
It was still Tim Duncan's team. You had minw you
had Tony Parker. I'm not taking it away from him,
but you nit pick. When you start talking about top five,
top ten and of all time, then I can look
at last year championship. It was great, don't get me wrong,
but we all know that had Kevin Durant played, I
think had Clay Thompson played the whole series, that Golden

(01:15:11):
State wins that series. So I'm just saying slowed down
and being top five all time individually, I mean, you
gotta look at how many MVPs the guy has, he
won't have any, you know, regular season MVPs. You gotta
look at your individual stats. His individual stats throughout his
career are not like Iye popping. He's just started delivering

(01:15:34):
the ball and getting more than four assists a game
this year. So there's a long way for Kawhi to
go before we put him in the top five. What
I would do if he wins it this year is
now he's in that top twenty issue and we want
to watch. Okay, how high does he climb? He could
finish ahead of Kevin Durant historically, but he's gotta keep climbing.

(01:15:58):
I believe Colin he'll probably win more championship than Lebron James.
But would I put him historically ahead of Lebron James. No,
not with four or five rings. To me, you look
at him, Lebron's just a better indiviend will play. Yes.
I think it'll take six or seven rings from Kauai

(01:16:19):
for me to say, Okay, he's better than Lebron. Yeah.
By the way, zion Rick Buker said this the other day.
He's the number one drawn the league, and I look
at the duke ratings and the summer league ratings and
how the NBA Christmas Bubble regular season. I gotta tell you,
Chris he and Lebron are the two guys I want

(01:16:39):
to watch. Is he the biggest draw in the league? Look, no,
said on Rick. But for junk food junkies, yes, he's
the biggest. For the guy that would rather either a
twinkie and have a glass of coke than a Ribby
Steak and a bottle of wine, yes, you know, But

(01:17:00):
for the guys if you really want to watch basketball,
I'm excited about Houston, my goodness. I want to see
hardening Westbrook and small ball how far they can go.
I'm excited about the Clippers just to see great team basketball.
I want to watch Philadelphia to see if Embeat and
Simmons can share the front line together with Shake Milton
at the point, I mean, I like Zion, don't get

(01:17:22):
me wrong, but but for substance, at this moment in time,
I'd rather watch John Murant for pure substance. He's got
the substance and the style right now. Zion is style. Okay.
I know he's scoring that will and it's great. And
don't get me wrong, I like the kids but he's
not rebounding. We know he's not defending what I don't

(01:17:45):
hold against him as a rookie, but he's his game
isn't versatile offensively, so he's got the ways to go. Colin,
let's slow down. I know what to get you when
we go out to lunch. When I'm back in LA
I know where to take you. What's mcdownod instead of
Slimmings or something like that. I watch sports so badly.

(01:18:08):
I've got Kawhi is one of the great players ever.
I just want I can't stop myself. All right, Chris
Broussard Odd couple later, Fox Sports Radio. Good seeing anybuddy. Yeah, alright, folks.
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it's funny with basketball and soccer. I don't need the fans.
I don't the way the camera angle works, I don't
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but baseball is slower, and it constantly reminds you there's

(01:18:50):
no fans foul ball, home run ball in the stands.
In fact, I thought the Dodgers last night, I really
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(01:19:55):
years in the NFL, A four time Pro bowlder. So
I gotta address the New York Jet situation. So Jamal
Adams is a great player. Jamal Adams comes out yesterday
and says that the head coach, Adam Gas, is not
the coach to take us to the Promised Land. This
is in the paper. He says he doesn't have relationships

(01:20:16):
with players. If we're playing Louzy, he doesn't address us
at half. He sends other coaches to do it. I
don't think I've ever seen a player make it this
personal in my life with a coach. Now, Gay and
Jamal Adams, they're coming back this year. I doubt the
Jets trade him. He's too talented. Your first reaction to that,
what is that going to do to a locker room?

(01:20:40):
First of all, that's very disturbing to hear. And we
have a player talking like that. He's talking like that
for a reason. He's not just saying that just to
be saying that. And he's talking about the leader of
the football team, you know, not the quarterback, the coach.
He the ones that has the guide all of these
young men to be better man and better football players.
And when you got to stop players saying that, you know,

(01:21:02):
that's gonna reverberate around the locker room. It's gonna be whistless.
Everybody's gonna take notice and started, you know, paying close
attention to where Adam Gays is doing. And you know,
when things like this happening, comments like this and made
you lose the locker room. And I don't know if
you can bounce back from this. It's gonna be tough
because unless everybody gets it together and figure out a

(01:21:23):
way to make this work. Um, it's gonna be a
tough season for the New York Jets. And I hate
that this had to happen, you know, at this time
of the year, right before the start of training camp.
It's interesting because I'm not going to defend Adam Gays,
but I'll throw this out there. Is it possible that
Adam Gase is more of an offensive coach and he
doesn't he doesn't talk with his defensive players. Now take

(01:21:43):
me back to your career. Did Andy Reid talk? Did
he have relationships with defensive players? Yeah? You see, coach
read know a lot about the defensive side of the ball,
so he was able to help his defensive coaches. And
I've seen it because I was right there watching firsthand.
I've been the meeting when Andy and a defensive coach
and walk in and they'll talk defense or you know,

(01:22:04):
he spent time with everyone. So so to not have,
you know that defensive touch or denoledge of what the
defense has to be doing means you mean, you catered
to the offensive side of the ball, and it shows
that that's all you care about. But you have to
be able to lead those guys on defense as well.
And I see him communicate with everyone, you know, and

(01:22:25):
he was just as close as the defensive players as
he was or offensive players, and I thought that was special.
Do you, Michael, go back to high school? High school,
then you had a college Frank Biemer, then you go
to the NFL. Did you have to like your coach?
You have to like your coach. You don't have to

(01:22:45):
necessarily agree on everything, but you all have to have
a common respect, a mutual respect for one another in
order to move forward and win, especially when you're a
star caliber player. When you're in that position, communication has
to be constant and consistent, and when it's not, these
type of things are gonna happen. You're gonna have guys
you know, talking and saying things that he probably shouldn't

(01:23:08):
say within the media. Um, but you know, as as
a leader of the team, you know, guy like Jamal
Adams got to speak out on things like this because
it just needs to be said when it's saying when
when it's brought about like this. Did you ever have
a team where, um, what was the best locker room
you were ever at where there was real unity and

(01:23:28):
everybody was really on the same page. And I understand,
I mean you got fifty year millionaires, you got veteran guys,
you got young guys, you got stars, you got guys
who were just like gunners on special teams. I understand
that some guys everybody thinks they're better than they are.
They want to get paid. But what was the best
locker room you ever at? Man? I would have to
say I had some great times in Atlanta. I can't

(01:23:49):
take credit away from what we built in the chemistry
we had within the locker room, the camaraderie. Um. You know,
certainly when I got to Philadelphia, it was a different
dynamic because it was it was the Olden and knew
it was the Sean and Li Sean in Germany, you know,
the younger, the younger, the next generation along with older
guys like myself and Brian Westbrook and Donovan and we

(01:24:12):
just had that mess. We had that um togetherness because
we could all relate on so many levels. We knew about,
you know, what the younger guys were going through, and
we was able to teach them and then we was
also able to learn from them as well. Um. So
the locker room in Philadelphia was so diverse, man, m
All the defensive players got along with the offensive players

(01:24:32):
and you know, we our battles and our struggles on
the field led to togetherness off the field. And uh,
you know those guys you know, were dynamic in their
own right. And then you know, the Jets locker room
was amazing then and then I would say close to
that which the Pittsburgh Stillers locker room. You know, it
was no egos, you know, all across the board, and

(01:24:53):
guys came to work every day and they believed in
it and they followed their leader and being rob this
Burger and that's what made it a great experience. You know,
it's interesting. I was thinking about the Cowboys and Dak Prescott.
So the reason I think that Dak Prescott and Jason
Garrett worked is they both needed each other. Dak breaks
into the league and he needs he needs to understand that,

(01:25:14):
he needs mentorship. And Jason Garrett had quarterback in the league,
so he needs him. And then Jason Garrett needed Dak
because they were four and twelve a year before Tony
Romo got hurt again in the preseason. So Jason Garrett,
you can't win in this league if you don't have
a starting quarterback. So he needed stability and Dak provided
that in won games. So it worked because they needed

(01:25:36):
each other, and I contend they're both good for each other.
But then here's Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy's already got a
Super Bowl, he got a five year, thirty million dollars deal.
He didn't need Dak for money, he doesn't need him
for security, he doesn't need him for his legacy, he
doesn't need him for his Super Bowl. And he's worked
with Farvin Rodgers. I wonder because there's a story out
today from somebody inside the Cowboy locker room that Dak

(01:25:59):
was really not happy with Jason Garrett being let go.
And again I want to ask you on personal experiences,
do you think it's possible Dak's thinking, Hey, Garrett had
my back, I don't know if McCarthy has my back.
Do you think that's possible. That's normal the quarterback position
to fill that way. Hey, look, I was living when

(01:26:20):
Andy Reid got fired. You know, I was upset when
when when Dan Reeves got fired. You know I was
upset when when Jim Moore got fired, and I felt like, man,
we just needed a couple more seasons to get this right.
You know, it's normal for for a quarterback to feel
that way and say those type of things, But you
know it's that the best thing for the team right now.

(01:26:41):
You know that's not the quarterback's decision to make. So um,
But when when Andy was fired, you know, in twenty
thirteen and Chip Kellyan was coming in, I felt like
I was just kind of left out then, and you
know what was next for me? Am I going to
be accepted? You know? Am I going to be in
a quarterback battle? You know, all these things run through
your head and it's realistic thoughts scored quarterback like that.

(01:27:01):
It was a very competitive quarterback. So yeah, of course,
those feelings and those relationships, you know, they're real. You know,
it's a real thing, and when they're seven sometimes things
come out. But it's up to that now because I've
been through it. Now you have to start to develop
that relationship with a new coach and get the norm.

(01:27:22):
It's just going to take time. Like anything else in
life that you want to perfect it be great at
you know, you got to put the time into it
so that mess will come over time. That's interesting. We
were talking yesterday about Cam Newton and we said it'd
be one thing if he had an OTA in New
England and a full preseason in New England and fifty
five practices. He's got none of it. So you tell

(01:27:43):
me how long did it take? Because I think Belichick's
a great coach and he reads a great coach. How
many practices did you need with Andy Reid before you
got behind the center and you felt like, Okay, I'm
humming on this thing. I don't I don't have to
sit here, and it's kind of been natural to me.
Damn good question, because when I think about all the

(01:28:05):
questions that I've answered about Cam and you know, people
saying he's gonna start and he should be out in
the field in the beginning of the year, Cam camp
be put in a bad situation and Bill Belichick won't
do that. He can't go out there if he don't have,
you know, a true understanding of the offense, which takes time,
and he hasn't had any OTA's had. You know, won't

(01:28:26):
get any real preseason or training camp reps right now,
and it's not gonna be you know, the most effective
for Cam. Yes, he can get out here, he can
throw as much as he can. I believe he's in shake.
But you know, the knowledge is power at the quarterback position,
and I think Cam will probably understand that. So we
can't get the cart before the horse right here. You know,

(01:28:47):
it's impossible to go out there and play if you
don't understand, you know, exactly what you know needs to happen.
You know, every particular playing, Cam's gonna need some time,
he's gonna need some reps. He's gonna get a lot
of drops, and that this time right here is not
helping him. But he can take advantage of every repp um.
You know, if he's not going into it. You know,
the season hasn't started. He can take advantage of every rep.

(01:29:09):
You know, live by Kesson who sit him, you know,
learn from from the background, and there's nothing wrong with that.
The pay dividend is in a long term. By the way,
you were a college football star, but when you came
into the NFL, you gotta sit for a year. Joe
Burrow's not gonna sit for a year. My gut feeling
is too is gonna be too good at practice. He's
not gonna get a year to sit um. It is
strange you go from college football to pro football. Difference system,

(01:29:32):
different scheme, edge rushers are faster when you when you
went to the NFL and you didn't have to start
first game. But but when you went to practice for
the first time, like, what did you notice the biggest
difference between college and pro football? For you? And you
were a world class athlete, but what was the how
many practices before you started noticing the gap in talent,

(01:29:55):
speed and pass rushing. It was after my first actors
that I knew I was going to have to put
an immense amount of work into UM getting caught up
to speed first and foremost with the offense and being
able to just verbalize everything that needs to be said
in the huddle, getting out of the huddle, getting too
the line of scrimmage was something that was just, you know,

(01:30:17):
so new and and the process had to be expertited
because you know, when you number two and practice and
your reps are up, you know it's your rep. You
gotta step up. Um. So so I was like, man,
I just need reps. I need reps. But Chris Chandler
was there and I sat behind him, so I just
had to really be keening and watching him and studying

(01:30:38):
everything that he did, every move. Even though our games
was totally different, different styles, I wanted what he had
in the passing game. So I needed those reps and
I needed them now. But I didn't get them, and
it hurt me as far as development, and that's why
I wasn't ready until my second year. But uh, you know,
young guys who are thrown into the fire gonna learn

(01:30:58):
faster because they're gonna make mistakes and learn from Yeah,
he's in Fort Lauderdale. You can see all those beautiful
He's got trophies behind him, He's got all sorts of
stuff looking good over here. Yeah, I can tell you're
not golfing today. That's like a that's like a go out.
That's a good looking shirt. That's gon take your wife
out to dinner shirt right there. But absolutely, even though
I'm staying COVID free, you know, maybe I'll bought out tonight,

(01:31:21):
bring something there. But I just wanted to walk around
and look good, to feel good today. Up the gun
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com Code heard, here's John Goolay with the news. No, no,
the news. This is the herd Line news. You alluded
to the story a little bit with Michael Vick. According
to Brian Brotus of one oh five through the Fan
in Dallas, Dak is not all that ecstatic about being
a Cowboy. Potentially brought us is a former scout said

(01:32:04):
he had a conversation with a former Cowboys coach that
said Dak was not happy the team let go of
Jason Garrett and doesn't want to be a Cowboy long term.
Now it sounds kind of crazy, but then you remember
his brother kind of alluded to that on Twitter when
he didn't sign his extension and he just took the
franchise tag saying how he might not be a Cowboys

(01:32:25):
fan for much longer. I had a discussion yesterday with
a buddy of mine in the media, and we were
talking about this, and I said, listen, if you went
to a company for four years and you kind of
saved him and then for four years, you know, you
want a lot more games than you lost, and they
gave you a one year deal and it was a
lot of money for one year. Yeah, regardless of how

(01:32:47):
much money. Guys like me talk too much about the money, right,
regardless of thirty one million, you'd feel kind of like
I kind of saved the franchise a little bit, and
you're the biggest brand in the country, so I probably
made the owner about two hundred million dollars. I get
a little bitterness, Like, I get it. I get the
Dak's not overwhelmingly happy. I totally get that. There's I mean,
you would think most quarterbacks, like, if you had your pick,

(01:33:10):
you would pick Cowboys for exposure, for financial you know,
the money you can make off the field. They also
have a good old line and good weapons, so you
think it's a dream spot. But I mean you most
sportscasters want to work at a company that you used
to work for. But things change and then you go, no,
I want to go somewhere else. Maybe he just goes,
if you don't want me to be here, then I

(01:33:32):
don't want to be here. Yeah. I just think look, listen,
everybody acknowledges that the leadership thing with him, the moxie
thing with him, is really good. That's really good. With that,
he's going to say the right stuff because you know,
and by the way, Kirk Cousins not that he unraveled
in Washington, but he didn't hide his feelings when they
franchised him. That he was very emotional. Dak is I

(01:33:55):
think Dak will hide it. He'll say all the right stuff.
And thirty one millions a lot of money. But if
you felt you who saved your boss, you saved the company,
and you can argue, you know, I don't even think
it's arguable Dak did. They were four and twelve and
Tony Romo was hurt. They were a disaster in the
one year they didn't have Dak. That's where I think
bitterness comes. And everybody always says, well, he makes a

(01:34:17):
lot of money. Nobody nobody's denying that. But a long
term contract is beyond money. It's respect. It's I want
to be in a relationship. It doesn't matter if you're
a man a woman. It's the ring. It's the respect
of I want you to be part of my life
for a long time. They would be saying you're the guy,
You're the face of the team for the next five years.
I would rather be low balled by my company. But

(01:34:39):
they offer a long term deal. That's telling me they
liked me. We can disagree on money, but when they
hold on, they did right. They have offered him a
four year deal or excuse me, a five year deal
for a lot of money. He wants more money, but
the deal there was a long term offer on well,
he wants more money in shorter years. Correct. So there
are a lot of expectations on Tom Brady and the

(01:35:00):
Bucks in twenty twenty, even though most kind of analytics
and betters would tell you they're like nine and seven,
maybe ten and sixteen. However, Maurice Jones Drew on the
NFL Network this morning talked about what Tom Brady can
actually accomplish this season. He's gonna thrash two thousand and seven.
I think he's gonna throw fifty five touchdowns, forty five

(01:35:23):
hundred yards passing, probably close to five thousand, and the
Bucks are gonna be one of the toughest teams would
stop because their defensive causes turnovers and then get him
more opportunities. Well, guys, let me tell you why I
said fifty five touchdowns. Jamis Winston joined the thirty thirty club.
Let's just cut that in half, right, So now it's
forty five fifteen. You're telling me Tom Brady can't throw

(01:35:44):
ten extra touchdowns. Bruce arians Byron Lefferts are gonna air
this thing out. I listened. It's that is like lo
on the low end for me. That's that's actually pretty conservative.
He may end up going for sixty, but I'm gonna
stay with fifty five right now. I'm just gonna stay
with fifty five and let it rock out. So he
said that the achieving or tying the all time passing

(01:36:04):
touchdown record would be a conservative guess for what is
going to happen this season with the Bucks. Yeah, a
little Jamis throws a lot of interceptions, he throws a
lot of touchdowns. He threw thirty three with that receiving corps.
I think it's very realistic to say Tom's gonna throw
for thirty two touchdowns twelve picks, Yeah, and they'll win

(01:36:25):
nine games. That's what I was going to ask you, realistically,
thirty thirty two touchdowns. I mean, it wouldn't shock me
if it was twenty nine. It was less than Jamis
because the continuity issues he hasn't played with him. If
if but here's what I guarantee you, he'll have less
than half of the picks. Here's what I won't guarantee
you he'll throw for more touchdowns. That if Jamis has
more touchdowns last year than Tom this year, I get it.

(01:36:46):
If he threw it for twenty nine, their running games
should be ramped up. They got a right tackle on
another running back said, if you're if you're trying to
defend the Bucks this year, it's all about stopping the pass. Right.
They have two great receivers, great head ends, so a
lot of runs are going to be available. He doesn't care.
Brady would happily throw it ten times if they blow
out the other team. And they brought in Gronk to
block more than pass cash because Georg's a great blocking

(01:37:08):
tight end. They solved, they got a right tackle who's
seen as more of a blocking tackle than a so.
And they drafted a running back. I doubt they. I
don't know how many attempts Jamis Winston had last year.
They won't throw the ball nearly as much this year. Yeah,
he was up. He was either I can't remember, either
led the league or was second in passing yards. Yeah,
but a lot of that is I threw two picks

(01:37:29):
in the first quarter, were down by fourteen. I have
to chuck the ball, yeah, and they won't. They won't
trail as much. Yeah, So Tom's not going to throw
as many times or for as many yards because he
just wants to win. If they can win by running
the ball with Vaughan or with Ronald Jones, that he doesn't.
I don't think he cares. He just wants to win. Yeah.
And finally, we need to pass our congratulations onto another
one of your favorite quarterbacks. Russell Wilson and Sierra had

(01:37:53):
their son. They named him Win Harrison Wilson yesterday. Win
a pretty good name. And by the way, did they
spell at W? I n yes, Okay, I'm in that's
the greatest name of all time, Harrison Wilson. So I
get the W. And then Harrison sounds very stately, very regal. Harrison.

(01:38:16):
Have you ever met Hilson? I mean, that's just look
at By the way, who looks that good right after
having a baby? Nobody? You do love her respectfully. I
admire her. I think you love her husband Moore. He's
a very good football player. So congrats on baby Win.

(01:38:39):
Nobody looks that good at for having a baby. That
should almost be illegal. H John Goulay with the news.
Well that's the news, The Herd Line News. His name
is Jason McIntyre. He's a former newspaper reporter. Uh So
he digs deep to come up with predictions for the

(01:39:00):
headlines and newspapers coming up very soon, and he's bizarrely accurate,
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heard get trimmed the right way. Well, there's very few
people that I know that follow the New York Jets
more than Jason McIntyre. It's time for tomorrow's headlines. Today,
Jamack is joining us from the comforts of his own
home via the Coward's Global satellite network. All right, let's

(01:39:45):
start with the Jets. Those comments today by Jamal Adams
in a New York newspaper, I have never heard a
player going into a season he hasn't been traded. He's
going to be in the locker room with him literally
tear into Adam Gasee and his lack of leadership skills.
You have a lot of connections back in New York.
What do you make of that story? Everybody's rooting for

(01:40:09):
the Jets to do well for one reason, Colin, you
don't want to have to get a new coach, and
Sam Darnold would then have his third head coach in
four years. That's just not a recipe for success. Remember
Todd Bowles was a coach when he was drafted. Then
they went to Adam Gays, who was kind of a
train wreck so far, and the players don't seem to

(01:40:29):
love him. This is disappointing all around. But it's the
New York Jets. What can you say? Right? This is
the moment they're supposed to strike as the Patriots are down,
the Dolphins are still a dumpster fire. Nobody trusts the
Bills and Josh Allen. You'd think the Jets could jump ahead,
and it's just one train wreck after another. I'm embarrassed
to be a Jets fan. Colin, Yeah, what a mess.

(01:40:51):
The Woody Johnson story as well. Okay, oh jeez, yeah,
I mean it's just everything. It's just more stuff to
deal with, all right. We call it Tomorrow's lines today,
That's what we call it. Where Jason McIntire guesses tomorrow.
So what's gonna What's gonna be the headline? I talked
about Kawhi being a top five, top ten player if
they win the championship. What's the headline going to be

(01:41:12):
if he wins his third crown for three teams and
is the MVP for the third time. Yeah, so, Colin.
You know, we are big in the sports industry. We
consider ourselves thought leaders, and when I heard you say
top five, my mind was blown. The headline will be
lay me a river, Colin, get out of here? Are

(01:41:36):
you serious? Hold on, timeout, I need a big time timeout.
Larry Bird won three straight MVP awards. Kawhi Leonard has zero, none,
no MVP awards in his career. How is Kawhi passing Bird?
Tim Duncan five rings, five MVP awards. How could Kawhi

(01:41:56):
Leonard pass him? This is total insanity. Listen, Kawhi Leonard.
It's a great player, but as long as he's load managing, Colin,
I'm sorry, Kawhi Leonard cannot be considered a top ten
player all time. Yeah. The load management thing drives people crazy,
and I get it. My argument has always been, yeah,
shackeded load management. The last eight years of his career.

(01:42:17):
Nobody had a name for it. But I you know,
by the way Greg Popovich and Tim Duncan they did
load management, they just didn't have it was called a
night off. But I mean, if you give something a nickname,
it has been tied to him, and I get it.
So I do get the I do get why that
drives people crazy. Yeah, yeah, but again, he's got to

(01:42:37):
win an MVP. He's got to be the best player
in the league. He's never been that. Colin. All Right,
tomorrow's headlines today, What's gonna be the headline for Zion
and the Pelicans for the rest of the regular season.
So I'm very hopeful we get Zion versus Lebron. The
NBA wants it, You want it, I want it. The
headline will be like, can make the playoffs. We need

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Zion back in the bubble and Colin this just sets
up the perfect first round matchup. Lonzo Ball wants revenge. Okay,
you want Drew Holliday trying to guard Lebron because they
have nobody on the wing to guard him. Brandon Ingram
wants revenge. Josh Hart. This is just the perfect first
round matchup. I mean, I don't want to pooh pooh

(01:43:23):
what the Pelicans have done because they're far behind right
now the Grizzlies, but they've got some ground to make up.
If they can go six and two or seven and
one and Memphis stumbles and Memphis is not great. We
know that John Morant's excellent but this is a young team,
very little playoff experience. I think the Pelicans can do it. Colin,
I'll tell you this, brandon Ingram, you gotta give him credit.

(01:43:44):
If you're a Laker frant its disturbing. He actually played great.
He made it. He looks like the most improved player
in the NBA. And a quick word. I know you
watched the scrimmage last night the Lakers against Luca dont
I didn't want to call him out, but Kyle Kuzma
tried to guard Luca Donte like five possessions in a row.
Luca towards him and then Kuzma comes down. He's like,

(01:44:04):
I gotta get a basket and he couldn't even score
on him. I mean Kuzma, I like him. I want
him to do well, But they miss brandon Ingram. You're right, yeah,
there's no question. And by the way, in the Laker organization,
people thought Ingram. They thought Kuzma was a little tougher,
he'd played through injuries, he had some leadership skills, but
Ingram is the better offensive talent. Tomorrow's headlines today, what's

(01:44:25):
gonna be the headline for the Milwaukee Bucks postseason? So
Colin I think, without question, the Bucks are the number
one story in the bubble. They have to be because
it's all resting on Jannis's shoulders. This is the offseason
he could get the big contract. The headline will be
Milwaukee's best not good enough. Now, I know all my

(01:44:48):
college buddies out there watching. We drank Milwaukee's best beer, didn't. Well,
that's a little lowbrow for you. Come on, you were
not drinking that. So Colin, listen, you look at Jannis
and after him, tell me who's their second best player?
Is it Chris Middleton? Yes, the guy who averaged thirteen
a game against the Raptors last year struggles? Is it
Eric Bledsoe? Come on, I just don't trust this team.

(01:45:10):
They're built for the regular season. We can talk about
this a lot, right the Bucks. In the regular season,
they go ten deep, they're excellent, But then what can
you get to the playoffs? It's a tighter game. Jannie
is only playing thirty minutes a game. Now he's gonna
go forty and then what happens to the bench. You
got to contract it. I don't trust this Milwaukee team.
I'm sorry, no, you know it is interesting. Depth is important,

(01:45:32):
but the reason the depth for the Clippers matters is
because they've got three elite scorers Kawhi, Paul George, and
Lou Williams. So I've always thought depth is a little
overstated because usually you contract, you go from plan nine
to plan set. Guys, Colbert, are you there? Yes, I'm here. Gosh,
I didn't get to finish ripping the Milwaukee Bucks. That's okay,

(01:45:53):
all right, tomorrow's headlines today? What's gonna be the headline
for the team that wins the East? Who do we
lose him for the second? Okay? All right, hold on
one second, let's make sure he's okay. Guys. I want
to hear this. By the way, I want to hear this.

(01:46:13):
Can we get Jason McIntire back? All right? I want
to hear this. This matters to me in my life.
This is very important for me in my life. Do
we have him? There? We go? Can I see him?
Are you there? J Mack? Yeah? We just lost him?
What was his headline? Anyway? Can you give me the

(01:46:33):
headliners that finally processed? He picks the Sixers to win
the East? Finally processed? I don't they're starting. I'll tell
you this one through six Boston and Philadelphia are really
good one through six. I don't know if Philadelphia has

(01:46:54):
much after six, but they're good to that point. It's
Philadelphia is a strange where some people are saying that
actually the lack of being together is a huge advantage
because Simmons and Ambide, you know, don't necessarily like each other.
I said this a couple of years ago. Ben Simmons
walked into the league and Doug Gottlieb told me this.

(01:47:16):
He said, he's the best one and done prospect that
the sports ever had since Carmelo Anthony, because Lebron went
straight from high school to the NBA, so he was
the best prospect. And so he comes into the league
and he has a little injury. Then he comes out
and he's terrific, and he only has one flaw. He defends.
He's a great passer, unbelievable vision, great body, gets the

(01:47:38):
ball to three point shooters. He actually a very good
defender for a young NBA player. He's just got this
thing where he doesn't shoot particularly well. So you think
to yourself, all right, like a lot of guy like Zion,
everybody worried Zion can't shoot. I never kill a guy
because he can't shoot. And then Ben Simmons doesn't work
on his shot at all and becomes more reluctant to shoot.
And it's the strangest story in the NBA that this

(01:48:00):
kid has virtually everything going for him. He got the DNA,
the size, the vasion, he dribbled, he's a great ball handler,
a very good defender, and he just won't improve on
his shooting. And you don't have to be a great
shooter in the NBA. You don't. Even in this shooter's era.
Russell Westbrook is still a very good player. He can't

(01:48:21):
shoot threes. I think he shoots like twenty five percent
this year. It's the lowest in the NBA for anybody
with like two hundred or one hundred threes. You don't
have to be a great three point shooter. You don't, Janis.
You can have other skill sets even as a guard.
Westbrook doesn't. But you gotta occasionally be able to hit
a fifteen footer and Ben Simmons can't. And it's just unbelievable.

(01:48:42):
Like Magic Johnson was not a good shooter when he
walks into the NBA. I'm not sure he was a
good shooter when he left at thirty one, thirty two
years old. But you gotta be a threat. And Simmons
has decided I'm not going to shoot at all. And
the only way it works in Philadelphia with him and
MBAD is Embad has to clear the lane because Simmons
to score, he has to be a scoring threat, and

(01:49:03):
he is a scoring threat at the rim. So if
Ebad's planted around the rim, I mean Lebron James had
Chris Bosh and Lebron James had Kevin Love, what did
he want from both? Clear out? Let me score at
the basket because Lebron is a guy that loses confidence
in his jumper and when he does, he wants to
score at the basket. So Kevin Love gets marginalized. Chris

(01:49:25):
Bosh kind of becomes his valet. They become perimeter players
even though they have like nine eleven rebound averages in
their career. So if MBAD doesn't move, Simmons doesn't score,
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