Patrick Mahomes, Packers, Lamar Jackson, Browns, & where Colin was right & wrong

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What a crazy weekend we had this weekend and coming
up in one hour. Where Colin was right, where Colin

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was wrong, plenty of both. Joey Taylor, We're ready to go.
It feels like tonight we'll be it. We're built to
this crescendo to tonight and by the end of tonight
we'll have had the best three days of football of
the year. Definitely. I'm very excited for Ritson. I have
some thoughts and I think it's gonna go, but I'm

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excited either way. Let's start with Kansas City falling behind
twenty four nothing and then coming back to beat Houston. Now,
I've been saying this multiple times over the last several weeks.
I like Lamar Jackson, but if you're asking me who
I want to be my quarterback over the next decade,
it's Patrick Mahomes. Here was the interesting thing in that game.

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Before we go to tape. Here was the interesting thing.
Unless you're from Kansas City and a Diehart Chiefs fan,
take take them out of it. But for guys like
me and people like you, even when Kansas City was
down twenty four nothing, you were saying what I was saying,
just just just get a play, get a break, get
a fumble, big kickoff. Just just they're fine, they're fine,

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they're fine, they're down twenty four nothing, they're fine, they're
at home. They just need Did you watch Patrick Mahomes
in the sideline. There was no panic Andy Reid's play calling,
there was no panic. You watched the sideline, there was
no panic. They were down twenty four to nothing. Just
say that out loud, playoff game, down twenty four nothing,
and Mahomes is like, just make a play, let's just
get it gone. There's no panic. Nobody's freaking out and

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he's not freaking out. Here. We go, and then they
got the big kickoff, and then it's like we all
thought the same thing. Unless you're a Chiefs fan. All Right,
here we go, let's go, let's get But when Baltimore
trailed twenty one six in the second half at home,
you could even see it a little bit with the
Ravens coaching staff. There was a little apprehension the play

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calling at one point I thought was weird in the
first half. Just do what you do. And that is
because Mahomes is not somebody will ever ever figure out.
And barring an injury, he's gonna be Peyton Manning, or
he's to be Brady, or he's gonna be far. You
don't figure out the best pure passer in football. Nobody

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figured out Elway, nobody, nobody figured out Marino. He didn't
win a bunch of Super Bowls, but he was great
until the very end. Lamar is different. He is unique.
You have to build an offense that is run first,
heavy tight end, get him a legitimate back, and that's

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not an offense. In fact, they went and got Greg Roman,
who is a unique coordinator for their unique talent. Now
I'm not bailing on Lamar. He's going a bunch of games.
But this is the reason I would choose Mahomes over Lamar,
not because of the weekend. Because if you look at
Kansas City, they're a pass first team. They're built to

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win from deficits. And if you play for fifteen years
in this league, some years you have terrible defenses. Remember
when Tim Table winning games, everybody's like on t boat
and I'm like, you guys, do get that. If you
quarterback for ten years, you're not going to get a
defense like that Denver defense and Matt Prator kicking sixty
yard field goals. You can win with Mark Sanchez in

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a great running game. You can win a lot of ways,
but you better be able to win trailing twenty four nothing.
And there's only about one to two to three quarterbacks
at a time in this league, maybe two Aaron Rodgers
and his prime, Peyton Manning in his prime, you know far.
This is why I think this is the choice for

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quarterback for the next fifteen years. Kansas City is built
to win a million ways. By the way. We've seen
him win in snow, We've seen him win with a lead.
We just saw him trail twenty four nothing. And you
never once unless you're a Chiefs fan, you weren't freaking out.
The play calling inn't change, the players didn't change, the
game didn't play change. And the minute they got to
kick off, you're like, okay, all right, they switched field position.

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Here we go to play later score. Kansas City scored
seven touchdowns. No drive was longer than three minutes and
fifty five seconds. It's different, and it's the kind of
offense I think that will last forever. I don't think
in the off season coordinators are saying, Hey, we're gonna
figure this Mahomes guy out. I do think they're coordinators

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that look at Lamar and say, okay, let's get super
athletic linebackers at the point of attack. You have to
get on and let's crowd the box. Let's make him
throw over the top. I do think there are riddles
to Baltimore that you can solve. Not every week, not
every half, not every drive, not every game. But when

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I watched Kansas City coming back from twenty four nothing,
I thought it was not just the most important Kansas
City win, it was an essential win for Patrick Mahomes
to prove I'm the guy for the next fifteen years,
because none of us felt different twenty four nothing. I
think all of us, even in the first half, down

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by a couple of touchdowns with Lamar, I felt like, oh,
they're kind of solving a little bit for the moment,
in this little time capsule for two hours in Baltimore,
they're kind of solving. I don't feel like anybody ever
solves Mahomes. And if you asked every GM in this
league privately, every stink in one of them, if they

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would trade their quarterback for Patrick Mahomes today, all of
them would say yes, Oh my bad, except Chicago. They're
all in on Traubisky. Wink wink. They'd all trade their
quarterback for Patrick Mahomes. Many would trade for Lamar, but
there'd be some that say, can we have Greg Roman too?

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Can we get those tight ends too? I thought it
was an essential game to really plant the flag. This
is the guy more than any and you know I
love me some Russell Wilson. You know I love me
some Tom Brady. This is the guy for the next
fifteen years, barring any you know, really bad injury. Here's

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Patrick after Obviously we didn't want to be in that
in that spot. But the biggest thing that I think
I was preaching to the team was let's go do
something special. Let's go do something special. Everybody's already counting
us out. Let's just go play by play and just
put our best effort out there. We don't care if
we're down twenty four, if we're up twenty four. We're
gonna put our best effort every single play. And I
think that's just the mentality of this team. All right,

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So let's move to Green Bay's win over Seattle. Now,
let me just say this. I've not been a big
Packers fan. I acknowledged they won their division, I acknowledge
their seating, and I will acknowledge they won the game.
But you can get to a conference championship without being great.
Blake Bortles got there in Jacksonville. Mark Sanchez got there

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with the Jets, A lousy Colts team got there with
Andrew Luck, and the Vikings got there with case Keenum.
Now we know Aaron Rodgers is not case Keenum. We
know he's not Blake Bortles. But you can get to
a conference championship in this league if you win a
division where two teams implode Chicago and Detroit. When you're

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easily the best quarterback or healthiest quarterback in a division
the NFC North. When you get a home field by
check and then you play an injury ravaged team off
another road game Seattle, I don't think Green Bay's great.
I think they got things to work in their favor.

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I think Matt Stafford gets hurt, Trubisky gets exposed, Kirk
Cousins as Kirk Cousins who they have three first downs
to dull the fourth quarter of this weekend, and I
think they beat up a ravage Seattle team. And if
not for Aaron Rodgers making two great throws on a
third and eight and a third and nine, I think
Seattle wins that first one to Geronimo Allen. If that

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puppy hits the dirt first, then it was close. You
saw Aaron Rodgers point to the sky on that Seattle's
getting the ball back. Green Bay's defense is exhausted and
Russell Wilson's red hot, and we have a different show today.
I don't love Green Bay. I don't think they're as
physical as Tennessee. I don't think they're as explosive as
Kansas City, and I don't think they have the players

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and the depth of the forty nine ers, you know who.
They remind me of the Wisconsin Badgers. I respect the
hell out of them. It's a good football operation. I
always trust the executives upstairs. The coach appears good enough.
But when you watch Wisconsin against Ohio State, they don't
look the same. They don't look like Lemson, they don't

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look like LSU. They'll look like Ohio State. They don't
look like Alabama. But they're good and they win like
ten games a year, and I respect the hell out
of them, and I respect Green Bay, but they don't
look like Kansas City. I mean, if you take Davante
Adams away, who does Aaron like to throw too? Because
Patrick Mahomes likes to throw to four different guys, then

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his tight end I don't look like San Francisco front.
D Ford now is healthy and Quan Alexander hard passed.
Don't want to face them. I think Aaron Rodgers, he's
a smart guy. That's why you give him any shot,
just their quarterback, and I think even he acknowledges we're
fourteen and three. But if you look around, what's left

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as a big gap between getting to that conference championship
and beating a San Francisco there and potentially beating a
Kansas city in Miami. Here's Aaron to walk off the
field being a two seed where I mean, let's be honest,
I don't know that even our fans felt supremely confident

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in US, which I know that a lot of the
media didn't as well. But to be able to walk
off that field again victorious, there, there's no feeling like it.
Nobody's disputing them want a division and they're in the
conference championship. But I think even Aaron acknowledges there's questions.

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And the only reason the only reason I gave Seattle
a chance to beat Green Bay was Russell Wilson, which
I didn't think would be good enough. And the only
reason I give Green Bay a chance against San Francisco
is Aaron Rodgers, and that doesn't feel like enough. Coming
up next, I'll give you my thoughts on what happened
to Lamar Jackson, what it means going forward on one

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of the most shocking outcomes. I'm rarely shocked in professional
football because there's so much parody. Anybody can beat anybody.
That was shocking. I'm that was shocking a little bit
of a jaw Dropper for three hours. Thoughts on Lamar
and the Niners that's coming up, plus Colin Right, Colin
Wrong fifty minutes from now. Be sure to catch live

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I've said this before. I think the reason the show
continues to do well as we're loyal to honesty. I'm

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not in the credit business, that's MasterCard and Visa. I'm
in the honesty business. I don't protect players. I think
I'm tough on guys, especially quarterbacks. But there are a
lot of people in the media that are constantly they
think they're doing athletes a favor, and they're pandering. It's
my least favorite quality. Stop pandering, Stop cobbling. These are millionaires.
Lamar Jackson didn't play well. He deserves to get ripped.

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We ripped Peyton Manning when he would be an MVP
and not look the same in the playoffs. Stop patronizing
Lamar Jackson, he doesn't need your sympathy. He doesn't need
your pandering either. Rock Star. He's gonna win MVP. He's
gonna be worth fifty million to one hundred million dollars.
He's fun to watch. He's gonna keep winning games. But
this he had two picks, a fumble, and wasn't good

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in situational football. And he's the MVP. He doesn't that.
Last two times I've watched them in a play off game,
he hasn't looked the same as in the regular season.
He's a baby. He'll get better. But the criticism's fair. God,
the media has been on this whole thing with Lamar.
First of all, he gets drafted in the first round.
In the media is like, this is outrageous. Fire the
GMS why he got drafted in the first round. Roger

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stop about got drafted in the tenth, United's ninth, Brady's six.
It's a hard position to evaluate. Then there's this thing
this weekend. He didn't lose the game. He had three
hundred and fifty yards. He didn't play well, folks. Most
of his yards were dackyards. They were garbage yards. Put
it on the screen. First three quarters his quarterback. His
passerading was forty seven. He had three turnovers. He didn't

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throw for a touchdown in the fourth quarter. What do
you know, Tennessee's punting the ball prevent defense. He racked
him up. So at the end you can run over
to your stats and say, look, look, look he played well.
He didn't. He was all for four and fourth down.
He looked rattled. He threw two picks. One not his fault. Sorry,
there's still picks. He had a fumble. And he's not

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really ideally like Mahomes. He's not ideally built to come
from way back. Their offense, frankly, it's not really this
is not all Lamar. Their offense is not really ideally
built to play from deficits, which is why I think
Lamar will go to the laboratory this off season. And
just like he did from year one to year two,

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Lamar is gonna get a little better at the passing
and a little more comfortable. And it took Russell Wilson
three years, and it takes most young quarterback. Do you
see Josh Allen's playoff game, he freaked out. You ever
seen Sam Darnold, who I love, sometimes he freaks out
Jared Golf. These are kids, their babies, but stop the coddling.
It didn't play well. It happens. He's a kid, and

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all the questions why he dropped in the first round
are legitimate. He never completed sixty percent of his throws.
He ran for a twenty yards, and people thought he
kind of plays like RG three. They kind of have
the same build. RG three was a bust, so people
were a little apprehensive, and Baltimore said, we're not gonna
take him with our first pick. We're gonna take him
with our second pick. And then all of a sudden,
by week eleven, they're like, Joe Flacco stinks, he's old,

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tired and expensive. We're done. Let's try this thing. And
it worked kind of and this year it worked a lot.
But it's okay to criticize him, and it's okay that
he was the last or next to last pick in
the first round. Stop pandering, stop protecting him. He doesn't
need our sympathy. He's gonna win a bunch of games.
Baltimore won twelve straight. They're gonna win up. They're not

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going anywhere. Baltimore's not going anywhere, and this young man
has shown the ability to improve. Now I've said before,
if you're asking me twelve years, I not only like
Mahomes better than Lamar. I like Kyler Murray more. I
think Kyler Murray is the best player in the league
that nobody watches because he played in Arizona. I think
Kyler Murray's a pass, first, run second guy, and I

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do think I like my quarterbacks preferably to be that,
but the constant protecting. Don't criticize him. It didn't play well.
He's an MVP, and he hasn't looked as good in
the postseason. We ravaged Peyton Manning, and it's part of
the game. You can't get all the love and be
called the best thing ever and then go into the
playoffs and not be able to play as well from

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behind and not play well in big spots. Playoff games
aren't won by yards. Playoff games are won by fourth
down turnovers don't make any situational football. And he wasn't
great at that. And it's okay. He will be over
and over again over the next ten years. Joey Taylor
with the News No, No, this is the herd line

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on Twitter. It's not that loss by Lamar was not
a referendum. But it's a reminder that primarily last year
in the Super Bowl we ended up with Goff and
Brady that the better yard at the pocket thing. The
running can be a little sauce and fun to it,
but as you develop as a passer, your chances generally
go up for Super Bowl wins. Right. And also the
recipe who beats the Ravens this year was exactly what

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the Titans did, which would start out strong, making play
from behind. That's exactly what they did. You can tell
early in the game it was like, oh, I literally
in my mind before the game was like, if the
Titans score first, they win this game. If they just
they just score first, they win this game. Yeah, And
that's exactly I think. I think even Baltimore staff a
little bit joy in the first eight or nine minutes
was like, if this is not going the way we

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need it to go. And there was just a little
bit of a panic. I felt like if they had
come out more aggressive at halftime, they'd had a chance,
but it just the momentum never changed in the entire game.
So the forty nine ers will host the NFC Championship
Game after a twenty seven to ten win over the
Vikings Saturday, Jimmy Garoppolo was solved in his first playoffs started.
He threw one hundred and thirty one yards and a
touchdown and an interception, but the run game in the

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defense really carried the team. Tevin Coleman scored two touchdowns
and tied his season high with one hundred and five
rushing yards, and the defense completely stopped the Vikings called
Minnesota only one hundred and forty seven total yards and
sacked Cousins six times. By the way, we can all
bang on Kirk Cousins, but Minnesota's game plan was so conservative.
It's why I've never I never liked Minnesota all year.

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And it wasn't because they don't have the talent they
obviously do. They just don't have the aggressive X factor
that I just didn't feel it's all season with them,
Like they're just very fundamental and they have a few
playmakers here and there that are exciting, but what is
what is that thing like in that big moment that's
going to happen with the Vikings that's gonna put them

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over the top and take a team down like the
forty nineers. But that said, the forty nine. Ers are
absolutely great and their defense is incredible. They jump off
a television set. Yes, they You literally watched the Niners,
You're like, oh, pal bang whoa hey, extremely physical on
the line and they just dominated the Vikings. It was
the first playoff win for the Niners and six years,

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and I think it's an NFC championship game is going
to be Great's just listen. We're left with Aaron Rodgers
and Garoppolo and Patrick Mahomes and this Derek Henry, this
refrigerator in cleat running over people We've got. It's so unbelievable.
How about why the white outfit walking into the stadium

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because it enhances his size because you see the white
is so you can see every inch of Derrick Henry.
He is so My wife doesn't love football. She's like, oh,
he's huge, he's incredibly and he's he's indescribable. Actually, I've
just never seen a player like him before. He's so giant,

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runs yes a little runs completely straight up, and it's like,
good luck, good luck to all of you, especially when
he breaks through the first line and then it's one
hundred and ninety two pound corners. Yes, and by the way,
and he's running at you in your stationary It's like
it's a rough tackle. Yeah, it's good luck. So the
Browns of finally finished their coaching surge, it appears after

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interviewing eight candidates. Multiple sources are reporting that the Browns
have hired Vikings offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski to be the
next head coach in Cleveland. He was a runner up
for the job last year before Freddy Kitchens was hired,
and now Stefanski is getting his shot. It's kind of
a little ironic because reportedly forty nine Ers defensive coordinator
Robert Salah was a top candidate and had an impressive interview,

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which made the final decision harder for the Browns. And
then Salah's defense completely dominated its defense offense. But you're
not game. That would be short sighted to hire somebody
on a game. No, but it just you know, yeah,
the optics, Yeah, the optics of it not not terrific.
The problem reportedly for Josh Mthaniels, is that he wanted
sweeping organizational change, which like, duh is that? I mean

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it shouldn't anyone who's coming in there once sleeping or
organizational change. Everything if you're doing is a disaster. Well
they're doing Cleveland's doing some different stuff. They're going to
have an analytics person on the headset this year. Stefanski
agreed to that, And you have to have an hour
or two meeting with the owner Monday after. I don't
know how common the hour long meeting with the owner
is once a week. I don't I don't can. I
can deal with the analytics in my headset. I'm always

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for more ears and eyes. Don't love having to sit
down and explain my games to the owner. I'm not.
I'm not a big fan now. I will have strong
opinions on this story later. I don't like having to
address the owner who doesn't know rip about football. Yeah,
that's I mean. I don't know how common that is
with owners. I'm imagining it's not very common because they
have whole other businesses to run and stuff to do
that doesn't entale listening to a game plan that you

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don't understand or know anything about anyway. So just so
it has to keep you in the loop how much
Stefanski it's a weekly meeting with Jimmy Haslam and says,
hey about the convenience store business. So I'll break it down,
i'd like see your earnings for the week. Yeah, I'm
not a huge fan of meetings for the sake of meeting.
We don't have one on the show. We don't have
a post show meeting. We never have. You know that,
I mean because you and I know when we stay

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can we know we're good? Why talk about it? But
also like there's just people have stuff to do, Like
we can communicate via phone, Like we don't all have
again sit in a meeting and consume more of everyone's time. Yeah,
I just don't like the sake of meeting for meeting.
But the analytics thing, I don't. I just feel like
it's it's just like doing it for the sake of
doing it, like it's something the Podesta once, more so

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than is this actually going to help football operations? Like
I don't. Obviously I very much believe in analytics, but
but what is the purpose of them? Like, so are
they gonna say no, like the analytics say this play
is the right play to me. But no. But here's
where I'll defend analytics. I'll defend the Browns on this.
So I'm Stefanski and it's a big third down and
four at the forty two, and the analytics guy is
named Bob. Bob, what do the analytics say? And Bob says, listen,

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this is seventy four percent chance it works. That could
be the difference for me going forward. So I'll give
a pass to the Just give me another smart guy
upstairs or a woman on the headset, Like, I'm all
kay with that, But on Monday, I have to waste
an hour and a half of my time with some
guy who's a convenience store chain. I mean, I'm with
you on the meeting thing. I think it's silly. But
the only thing with the analytics is like, should not

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not play into your game plan? No? No No, no, it does,
I think what they're saying. But analytics is interesting. It
does plan your game plan. But there are these situations
between the forties You're like, what do the numbers say
on this stuff? There's something to it. Oh, but overall,
the idea that they didn't want sleeping or organizational change
doesn't make me feel any better about this hire. Like, okay,
so you just settled for whatever they brought to you,

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and there's going to be more of the same. Finally,
it's finally here. LSU and Clemson met tonight in the
National Championship Woo. The new semester at LSU was originally
supposed to start today, but because of the big game,
LSU announced classes would be canceled today and tomorrow so
students can enjoy the game and hopefully a celebration afterwards
as well. Yeah. Fox Bet has the line at LSU

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favored by five. Oh, it's down to five, down to five.
I still I still think I'm taking Clemson in the points.
I don't think this is going to be a I
think it's gonna be a very very close game down
to the wire. Now, I'm taking Clemson in a point.
I will in our third hour lay out my five
reasons why I'm taking Clemson, and I think they all matter,
and I think Clemson's winning thirty eight thirty tonight, and

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I have but I have not just thrown it out there.
I've got absolute reasons why I think Clemson's winning. And
I cannot wait for this game. It is kind of
gonna be a little field advantage for LSU, though. Clemson
practice in a hotel ballroom Saturday because of winning rain
in New Orleans, and LSU used the Saints indoor practice facility. Yes, yes,
so Daba said they would also offered the Saints facility,

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but said they wouldn't. They didn't want to change their schedules,
so it wasn't it was unfair, but they they made
that choice. But it is going to feel like a
home game. Fellow, see it's a nice Yes, Yes, I
can't wait for it. Yeah, I'm excited. Joy with the news.
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line Reggie Bush in ten minutes, I want to
talk about the forty nine ers. So we have four
teams left. None of them look like San Francisco. There

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is not a box, folks. They don't check the size box,
the speedbox to kick your arsbox, the intimid ason box,
the old line box, the left tackle, the right tackle box.
They check them all. And this is a team that
humiliates the Packers. This is a team, asked Baker Mayfield,

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Ask Aaron Rodgers. It gets asked Kirk Cousins in Minnesota.
They humiliate you. The way to beat San Francisco to
me is Russell Wilson, is Kyler Murray as Lamar Jackson
off script where you can't even they're great defenses. You
got This is the way to beat Alabama for years.
A quarterback that can do stuff off the script. If

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a quarterback is going to be six steps behind the
center and they know it, good luck. They are loaded defensively,
d Ford, Kuan Alexander, maybe the most athletic linebacker in
the league, DeForrest Bruckner, Armstead, Nick Bosa. It is filthy
and the eighty five Bears we're never a dynasty. But

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thirty years later we look at those Bears and we're like, ooh,
in a one gamer, even the Niners with Montana no
Patriot team maybe beats the eighty five Bears. Now, certain
Francisco obviously has to win the conference championship, but they
look a lot like the Bears on that defense. Now. Now,
obviously they're giving up four more yards, and the Bears
did because quarterba play as much better. The best athletes

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now in the world are playing quarterback. Everybody gives up yards,
everybody gives up points. The league is so much better
now at quarterback, and so much more sophisticated than it
was back in nineteen eighty five, where everybody's a pocket quarterback.
Everybody's sitting there. Not very elusive. Here comes all the
Bears and knock him over. But here's the thing to
remember about the forty nine ers. There has been three

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seasons for the Niners. This is not one season. The
first season they were eight and oh and they were
knocking people out in the first round. Then eight of
their best players got hurt. Both tackles miss games. They're
fullbackup Pro Bowl or miss games. Kwan Alexander is out,
Emmanuel Sanders got hurt, George Kittle got hurt. The whole

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team got hurt, and essential parts to their team not
named Jimmy Garoppolo got hurt. Then they were vulnerable. That's
stage two. Now we're in stage three. All the boys
are healthy again. You don't want any part of them.
You don't want any part of San Francisco. They look different,

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like like Kansas City's offense is like San Francisco's team.
Let's double Kittle. Can't debot Manuel Sanders. All right, They're
a past team. No, not really there. Their coaches Shanahan.
They're a power run team. Their running backs can catch.
Their fullback was actually a great tight end in college.
Their receivers are big. No, wait, they're Emmanuel Sanders. They're veterans,

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they're young. Kittle's a superstar. Folks. This is what I'm
not saying. This is a dynasty, but I'm saying they
check all the boxes. And I heard this, well, I
mean Jimmy Garoppolo, I mean, come on, he they don't
need Jimmy Garoppolo to be a stat freak. The Giants
didn't need Phil Simms to be a stat freak. By

(27:51):
the way, Montana's numbers were good, but if you go
back and look at Joe Montana's numbers, they were not
beholden just to Joe Montana. He left Steve young one.
This team, when they're healthy, has got so many elements
of an eighty five Bears. Look to them where they
just knock you out, They just you you are humiliated.

(28:13):
I love what I see. And by the way, most
of the teams that are left, we're defining them. You know,
most great teams we define quarterback, wide receiver, running back.
You can argue Green Bay has the best quarterback, the
best single receiver, and the better running back than San Francisco.
You can argue, but San Francisco's also good at those

(28:35):
positions and better everywhere else. D line, O line linebacker, secondary,
tight end. I think I think this San Francisco team
does not look like the rest of the teams. I
don't think they look like it. I think it's not
that complicated in football. Watch the game, watch the velocity,

(28:59):
watch they hitting, watch the power. I mean, it's not
like it is not like San Francisco was stopping the
run against Minnesota. They were pushing San Francisco back for
three and a half hours. It did not look like
the other games coming up next, Reggie Bush stops by
his thoughts on a crazy weekend and LSU Clemson. Top

(29:21):
of the hour, Colin Right, Colin Wrong. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter
nine am Pacific. Great to have in, Colin Wright, Colin
Wrong in fifteen minutes, top of hour two. Next hour,
Drew Bledsoe, Trn Delfer. We bring in Reggie Bush, who
was looking all dapper. He Joel Klatt, Mike Pereira all
over the Fox platforms tonight for LSU. We'll get to that.

(29:43):
Against Clemson, We'll get to that in about five to
six minutes. Let's start with this twenty four nothing deficit.
Kansas City comes back now you played with Drew Brees.
You guys didn't fall behind twenty four nothing. But take
me to playing at a deficit, because I think, you know,
we look at my homes and we're like, oh, you know,

(30:04):
but coaches can panic, players can panic. Have you ever
been in a big deficit and come back to win? Uh, yeah,
we've been in. It felt like in two thousand and
nine every game we were down at halftime trying to
call back. In the biggest game that I remember was
against Miami Dolphins that year when they had Ronnie Brown
Ricky Williams. The first half of that game, I believe

(30:24):
they rushed for like two hundred yards apiece each and
we struggled in the first half and that was Yeah,
that was a Norman Saints. It was two thousand and nine.
Second half, we came back, we were on fire, and
we ended up winning a close one. It was a
nail biter towards the end. But it is tough, and
you know, I use an example of the Baltimore Ravens.
They went down fourteen nothing and the coaches could not adjust.

(30:46):
It felt different. It felt different right and throughout the
season the three games that they lost where they were
all down by fourteen or more points. And so yes,
coaches can panic even when the team doesn't panic, right,
And this is the reason why Belichick is known as
one of the greatest um you know coaches because he's
able to adjust, whether it's halftime, whether it's you know,

(31:08):
on the fly during the game. He understands and has
his finger on the pulse of the game. And clearly, clearly,
Andy Reid, this is to me, this is his best
coaching job to date, because the narrative for Andy Reid
in the playoffs is not good. Right, He's one and
done all the time, And this time he found a
way to come back to to to keep his team focused.

(31:32):
They really didn't change their play. They can't change anything
at all, and they just kept doing you know what
they do best, score points. This is a high powered
offense that is built to come back and from large deficits. Yeah,
it is interesting with Baltimore, and I'm just as a consumer.
I watched it, and first of all, there is a
way to beat Baltimore generally as Lamar grows as a passer,
get ahead, play a little keep away. I also thought

(31:55):
this was interesting. So if you think about Baltimore, so
Lamar's young and he's not a great natural thrower. I
don't think Deshan is either some Kyler Murray. It's a
baseball player. That guy rolls out of bed and can
throw strikes. But Lamar, he has a buy. He didn't
play week seventeen. So here's Lamar on a long stretch

(32:16):
of inactivity and then he gets into the game and
he's on the bench for long stretches of inactivity. I
thought that wasn't great for Baltimore. I thought, I agree
with you. I didn't think that was great for Baltimore
as well. And you could just kind of feel throughout
the game that as he was sitting on the bench
and they kept making these mistakes, right whether it was
a turnover or where there was them going for a

(32:36):
fourth and one and not converting it, that it felt
like that they were a little rusty. But also this
was more time than they were used to sitting on
the bench. Yes, and when Tennessee was answering with points
on the board, I saw one. There was one shot
of Lamar Jackson and I haven't really seen him do

(32:58):
this off season long. I saw him get frustrated and
I saw him in a place of frustration where it
just felt different, like he was frustrated because obviously they
were down, but they were putting up points and obviously
he was making mistakes as well. And there was something
we hadn't really seen all season long. We hadn't seen
him rattled. No, and I and I do think there
is something to inactivity. Everybody thinks a bye is great,

(33:21):
but in the case of Tennessee, Tennessee's like, no, we
don't want to buy. We're playing really good right now,
get us in by way, Baltimore dropped a lot of passes. Okay,
receivers look rusty, and again a lot of Baltimore's players
we talked about green Bay. Green Bay's are very young
football team. Young football team's. Old teams love a buye

(33:41):
New England loved to buy and didn't get one. Reggie
Bush is joining us. Okay, I I know Green Bay
is in the NFC Championship, but I watch them and
they're not. They don't They throw to one receiver, Davante Adams. Yeah,
like that's the guy you trusted. That is it. Their
defense is opport unistic, it's not intimidating. Do you like him?

(34:05):
I like him as a team, But do I like
him against the forty nine ers, I think the chances
are slim to none based on you know, the game
prior that they played during the season. It wasn't even close.
They lost thirty seven to eight. Aaron Rodgers only through
for one hundred yards. They held Aaron Jones Serve forty
yards and Devantae Adams around forty yards as well. So

(34:25):
if there was something in that game that kind of
gave me confidence that this team can go back down
there one more time and win a football game, I
would feel comfortable saying that. But they got beat easily
and they got killed up front in the trenches. When
you play the forty nine ers, you have to win
in the trenches offensive line and defensive line because their

(34:46):
d line can get pressure on your quarterback with just
four guys, and so what that does is freeze up
a lot of people on the back on the back
end to play coverage, which you need to do against
the Green Bay Packers. By the way, Kwan Alexander is back.
He is as explosive and athletic as any linebacker in football.
They got him from Tampa. De Ford is now back,
So there was a stage in the middle of the

(35:08):
season for San Francisco when everybody was hurt. Kittle was hurt,
de Ford was out, Quan was at they weren't the
same football team. By the way, even with those injuries,
they did go to Baltimore and almost beat them, and
they did go to New Orleans and win. But man,
the band was back together, it looked at this weekend.
Here's the other thing about Green Bay that worries me.
If you look at the four coaches left. Andy Reid,
he's pretty good. Okay, You've got Kyle Shanahan. I think

(35:30):
he's the next genius. Vrabel Is, he's a lullo. Mike
Tomlin there's a physical pread and now I got Matt Lafloord.
Did you notice something about Green Bay once again? They
don't adjust? Well, yeah, all year long on green And
by the way, we know this, Reggie. The great coaches adjust.

(35:51):
It's what Sean did in that game in Miami. It's
what Pete Carroll does. Should you worry? Should you worry
as a Packer fan, we're not a very good thread
quarter team. Yeah, I think you should worry about that
because the forty nine is are a great second half team,
great and that's the issue that you're gonna run into
when you go down to San franc hostile environment, because
you know they're gonna make plays, you know they're gonna
score points. But towards the end of the game, when

(36:14):
you need that extra energy, to extra added motivation, where
are you getting that from? Right, where is that coming from?
In the second half of the season, Like yesterday, Green
Bay was holding on exactly, it felt like they were
holding on and just trying not to lose the football game.
And then towards the end they put on the rodgers
and say, hey, go make us a couple great throws,
and you know everything's all good, but you're not gonna

(36:34):
see DeVante Adams and man and man coverage in this
game on a third and eight. Got to have it
towards the end. You're not gonna see Jimmy Graham with
ten yards cushion on a third and nine. Got to
have it towards the end of the game because they're
gonna have guys to play coverage and they're gonna get
pressure upfront with their young, energetic defensive linement that loved
to condense the pocket. And that happened time and time

(36:55):
again when they played them the first time. Finally, alash
you a little bit of all home game tonight against
a lot of home game. But I mean, Clemson wals
still have twenty five thirty thousand people, So let's it
and Clemson. How can I not love the fact Clemson's
been in this game now so many times. Yeah, it

(37:19):
meant like you were at USC. You faced teams that
were in it for the first time. By the end
of your state at USC, big games were what you
played in. It was normal, and that you have to
take that into account of the been there, done that
before a factor. Um. You know, I thought that the
last game in which they put out, I thought that
the experience would help them a little bit. Um, I

(37:40):
didn't think it would. I thought it took over the
game for them because Trevor Lawrence looked like he'd been
there before. He got hit, and he got it, looked
like he was hurt. And then he came back in
the game and the offense didn't miss a beat. They
kept doing the same things that they've been doing all
season long and even last year as well. And and
then the defense. The defense adjusted as well. They are
they may be the best I think they're the best

(38:02):
coached defense in the country. In fact, Urban Meyer came
on this show and he goes, they run three different
defenses and they'll change series to series to series. They will,
and they're able to adjust. That's the thing that this
defense coordinator does. He does a great job adjusting throughout
the football game and also implementing a game plan that's
gonna take away what you do best. The issue is

(38:22):
with LSU, they do a lot of things great, and
throwing the football obviously is one of them. But Joe
Burrow can put that ball in places where only his
receivers can catch it, and I think that's the that's
the difference, right. It's you're gonna get some guys that
are gonna play good defense, but he can also put
it into places where his only his receiver can catch
it while you're playing your good defense. You know. The

(38:45):
thing about LSU is that, yes, it's a home game,
but if I if I ask you today, Debo Sweeney
or at Ors, you're on better coach? Well, I would
say Debo Sweeney because of the body of work that
he's putting in overtime. He's been there before. I'd been
to the top Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow. Who's a better quarterback?
Right now? I say Joe Burrows a better quarterback. But

(39:05):
the experience factor, I give it to Trevor Lawrence. Man.
That's where I like Clemson. I mean, I think Nick
Saban told people after getting housed last year, Saban told
people the Clemson staff was the best staff he'd ever
faced since he was in Alabama. And some of that
is Nick has had so much turnover on his staff.

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Clemson hasn't had any. And it's like the New England thing.
It's the same coaches over and over. Tonight, Reggie, Joel Clapp,
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(39:47):
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(40:09):
f S. Juan Joy Taylor is joining me. We hope
to see her brother, the Hall of Famer Jason Taylor,
down in Miami. I just got you know, it's funny
when we travel for these big events, you and I
only go once a year. We do the super Bowl,
but it's a studio show basically. And we go to
the super Bowl and they now all the clothes people
are wardrobe people. This morning, I walk in and I

(40:30):
got like nine shoes they want me to choose from,
and I'm like, I don't know, do they fit? Are
they sized twelve? It's like a wardrobe. It is very confusing. Well,
I mean, they want to make sure that you're prepared.
You've got fancy shoes on today. I do. I'm not
gonna get into it. But Anne asudn't they call an
Anne is stepping calling shoe game up for no reason

(40:52):
to take a picture of my new shoes, which you're amazing.
You're all posture for them for our radio audience. This
this means nothing for our radio audience. Suit All right,
here we go, Colin right, Colin wrong, I'm plenty of
both let's fire away where Colin was right. For both
Seattle playoff games, Russell Wilson was Seattle's leading rusher. I'm

(41:16):
not saying he's the best quarterback in the NFL. I'm
saying he's the best football player in the National Football League.
The idea that this guy goes on the road to
Philadelphia and Green Bay and he comes to within basically
a third and eight that green Bay completed of winning
this football game. They're missing two offensive linemen, they're on
their third string center, they don't have their three best

(41:37):
running backs. I mean, it's incredible. What the only reason
that games even competitive yesterday? And I did not like
Seattle's play calling in the first half at all. Stop
pretending you're gonna walk into green Bay and run for
two hundred yards. Marshawn Lynch was on the beach three
weeks ago. Give the ball to Russell and pass your

(41:58):
way to Magic. This guy is absolutely unbelievable. And again
I'm not saying he's the best quarterback in the league,
although I think you can make an argument, but as
a football player, he's unbelievable. That game should never have
been close. And I'll say this if Seattle had two
of their three best running backs. I would have taken

(42:18):
them to win that game outright. Once again, they win
with virtually almost win with virtually no running game where
Colin was raw. Listen, I call the Kansas City Chiefs
a win breaker team. About two months ago I said
they're not built for December. In January, I think they
laugh physical toughness. They don't run the football enough. They
won't be able to eat the clock, and the playoffs
are about physicality. But you know what, they showed a

(42:40):
ton of resolve. Their defense now has looked more physical
than it has in weeks. I thought it was a
really special moment to overcome that deficit. Obviously we know that,
but I also think it needed to be seen by
everybody that doesn't live in Kansas City. This is a
tough team. It's a team with character, it's a team
with resolve, and frankly they have. Those are the elements

(43:02):
I worried about. They're a little fancy, they're fast. You know,
they got all the fun windbreaker guys out there. But
what happens when it's cold, you fall behind. You got
a punch of team in the neck. And I thought
Kansas City, right now deserves exactly where they are. They
got tougher, their defense got better. They looked like a
team that can plan all the elements. I was wrong

(43:24):
where Colin was right. Ben a Jimmy garoppolo guy since
he was a backup in New England. I said it
for years. Go get him. He's got a knit factor.
And I know, I know, I know Colin. They didn't
even use him this weekend, Tom Brady's second playoff game.
He went twelve or eighteen. They didn't need to use him.
This is not a guy that's gonna pout if he
doesn't get thirty fourth rows. His career will never be

(43:47):
defined by stats. Because Kyle Shanahan, from his father Mike Shanahan,
is a power football coach. He's gonna run the hell
out of this team for the next ten years. They're
gonna draft running backs, an offensive lineman. He's not gonna
win MVPs and he's not going to be a stat guy.
But he is an it guy. He is a guy

(44:08):
that when people are saying, yesterday, well what did he do?
He won the toughest division in football. The Rams and
McVeigh and that Aaron Donald and the Seahawks and Russell
Wilson and Pete Carroll. He won a division, he won
in New Orleans. He had a chance to beat Lamar
in Baltimore. And during this season when this team fell

(44:29):
apart physically, both tackles were out, the fullback was out,
Kittle was out. He kept him floating. Remember they had
to ask him about three times this year during the injuries, dude,
save us, the defense is all hurt, And all three
times he did. He's the real deal where Colin was raw.
I've made my biggest bet ever and took Clemson over

(44:50):
Ohio State and I rolled it into Baltimore and I
don't know what the heck happened, but that's the strangest
football game I've ever seen. Can somebody explain Tennessee. Tennessee
has now beaten Brady in New England and Lamar in
Baltimore and has completed a total of fifteen completions in
both games. I don't know what I'm watching. It's incredible. Listen,

(45:14):
They're surprises all the time in football. I don't even
know how to explain Tennessee. Tannehill's throwing for seventy yards
and they're going to Foxboro in winning and going to
Baltimore and winning. It's like nineteen seventy four football, and
I guess this is why the NFL's king. In the NBA,
you'd be like, wow, I've got six more games left

(45:35):
in the seven game series. In the NFL, if you
have a bad half, you have a bad half, you're
in big trouble, especially if you're Baltimore and you're kind
of built to play with the lead, not play from behind.
I was way wrong where Colin was right. Said it
before the season started. I said, I love what Green
Bay is doing with their defense. Nobody's gonna talk about
Preston Smith or Zadarius Smith in free agency, but they're

(45:56):
excellent players, especially Preston Smith, and yesterday they both had
two sacks. Two things never win super Bowls in the NFL.
Crazy owners and bad defenses. You can have flaws, you
can have all sorts of flaws in the NFL. You
can't have a bad defense in Green Bay for most
of the last seven eight years has been Swiss cheese
back there. It's been paper thin. They went out and

(46:18):
they got free agents, but mid level free agents, and
they got athletic linebackers in a very talented NFC, and
what do you know, those linebackers were essential. Now, if
Aaron Rodgers doesn't win a Super Bowl next couple of years,
it's on Aaron because he now has a real running
game and a real defense. It's not San Francisco's defense.

(46:39):
I'm not saying that, but it's a big boy defense
with playmakers at linebacker where Colin was raw. When Joe
Judge got hired by the Giants, I thought it was
an absolutely disastrous move. But you know what, after reading
every article on Joe Judge, I think I was a
little too hot on it. I don't know if he's
going to succeed, but Saban and Belichick both came out

(47:02):
with strong endorsements. He's had three or four press conferences,
won the big one, he hit a home run, and
the other things he's sang sound great. And by the way,
Josh McDaniels, who I thought should get this job. The
more I read over the last four days about Josh McDaniels,
they made a good choice, not at least going with

(47:22):
Josh McDaniels. Let's wait and see. On Joe Judge, I
called it a terrible hire. I think I'm too hot
on it. I like what I've seen. I like the
coordinator and the coaching moves he's made, and he's been
fantastic so far. In front of the mic, where Colin
was right. Not a fan of Bill O'Brien. I don't
think he's a terrible coach. But if you ever noticed

(47:44):
with the Houston Texans, and this is why I don't
trust him, and I thought Kansas City was gonna roll.
Even when they're winning, it doesn't look smooth. It's clunky,
it's not well oiled. It feels like they're making it
up as they go. I did not love the fake
punt call. Although I'm not going to crush coaches on

(48:05):
fake fakes that don't go. I mean, we want our
coaches to take a risk, You take a risks. I
didn't love the not in going for it on fourth
and an inch. I didn't love that. But again, situationally,
I'm not going to bash him, but be honest, if
you're a Houston Texas fan, when's the last time you
won a game and it was smooth and it looked
well oiled, and everything was into plays and you like

(48:27):
to play calling, everything looks uneven olays and they finally
finally have a good first quarter, and then they stink
in the entire second half. Where Colin was raw, the
Lakers promoted Raw Polinka. He's now number one in that organization.
Vice president basketball ops. I gotta be honest. He's an

(48:49):
agent that looked like Rob Low. I never really bought it.
I thought he was out of place. Magic Left. I
thought it was going to be man overboard. But the
Frank Vogel thing's working. The team his second best in
the West. The chemistry is outstanding. They got Danny Greene,
were able to convince him to come over. That works.
You know, Initially they had a salary cap snaffoo, the

(49:13):
magic thing he had that weird CASEP press conference, and
I'm like, this doesn't work at all. But I gotta
be honest, it kind of is working. It's all kind
of working, and he's kind of working. Listen, you know
he's an agent. I'm like, well, I mean, who knows
agents deal with stars. The Lakers are full of stars.

(49:33):
Genie Buss is a star. It's a star driven organization.
But I gotta be honest. Since Magic Left hadn't been
a lot of missus, it's gone pretty well. They lost
both Lebron and ad this weekend and we're still up
thirty at half. It was okay, see, but it's working.
Where Colin was right, the Cavaliers are a disaster the
minute Lebron leaves again. Okay, their coach had to apologize

(49:56):
for language he used against the players. Kevin loves having
a personal revolt, and Colin Sexton is bad. He may
be a bust at point guard. Listen, the bottom line
in this organization, they have been a grease fire for
thirty years. The only time they're not is when Lebron

(50:18):
enters and then he exits, and then an hour later
they're terrible player revolt. Colin Sexton can't play. The coach
doesn't fit. This has always been one of the great
qualities of Lebron or any superstar. It's not just about
what you do when you lead, what happens to the

(50:38):
organization you bail on. The Calves once again are poorly run.
Where Colin was right. I never understood why Jimmy Johnson
wasn't a Hall of Famer. He's one of the three
or four best football coaches of my life. Seriously, Bill
Walsh belotech Jimmy Johnson, and not many people above them.
I didn't watch Lombardi and this weekend, Jimmy finally what

(51:00):
he's so richly deserved. It's my great honor to tell
you that you're going to be the three eight Hall
of Favor and through the close Football Hall of Favor,
and your legacy is going to be in Canton, Ohio forever. Congratulations, coach, Congratulations.

(51:22):
Oh I'm awesome. Jimmy Johnson. I come in every Sunday
morning to this network and I do a football show,
and I don't have to. The company doesn't force me to.
One of the reasons I come because I sit down
with Jimmy Johnson every Sunday morning. He's the first to
get here, and I pepper him with a bunch of

(51:43):
questions and he gives me a bunch of answers. And
I have never worked with a human being that makes
me smarter about football than Jimmy Johnson. What you're seeing
is a beloved figure, a quirky, funny guy who's got
the greatest stories, many he can't share. I have never
learned more about football from any human and I've learned

(52:07):
a lot from Howie and a lot from te a
lot from a lot of people Dave wants that Jimmy is.
There is no you. Once you meet Jimmy Johnson and
talk to him, you're like, oh, that's why he's one
of the greatest coaches ever. I've never learned more football
from any human than Jimmy Johnson. Yeah. I was very
happy for him watching yet, Yeah I was. I once
I saw Troy cry I got, you know, into the

(52:28):
field a little bit. No, I mean, Jimmy, It's very
well deserved and very long overdue. I'm very happy for him.
He drafted my brother and introduced my brother into the
Hall of Fame. Also, yes, by the way, he drafted
your brother, and Jimmy's greatest strength of as many an
eye for personnel. Remember Zach Thomas. Okay, so nobody likes

(52:49):
Zach Thomas. Out of college. Everybody passed in your brother.
So he's one of the great. And I've asked Jimmy
a million times, what do you look for? What do
you look for? His answers are fascinating. That's so happy
for him, all right. Coming up, Trent Dilfer, he was
he was at the Ravens Titan game Saturday night. He was, Oh,
that's good, that's all he was, that's crazy. Trent Dilfer's

(53:12):
joining us next. Be sure to catch live editions of
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The Herd and all of our FS one shows. We'll
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(53:32):
get ready for the Super Bowl fifty four. We'll have
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lot more. FS one. Super Bowl week Live from Miami
is just two weeks away. Can't wait. Really really fun.
We're gonna get Listen, there's a chance we get Kansas
City and Aaron Rodgers or Kansas City in San Francisco.
I'm all in on both. It's gonna be amazing. Yeah,

(53:53):
we got veried. There was about an hour this weekend
when I thought Tennessee would be playing Houston in the
AFC Championship. I'm not gonna lie to you. I poured
a second drink on that one. I was, Yeah, I
was concerned. Let's go of you at the Coward Global
satellite to my buddy Trent built for fifteen NFL seasons.
He was at the Titan Dravens games being honored as
a legend of the game. It is interesting Trent that,

(54:16):
And this is not a knock on Lamar Jackson. It's
not a referendum. He's a hell of a player. It
is a reminder though, that they are a very unique
team built run first. And it did feel different as
a TV consumer when they were down by a couple
of touchdowns. I never felt Mahomes was in trouble down huge.
I did feel different when Lamar was down by less

(54:37):
than the second half. Did it feel different to you
being at the game? Yeah? Absolutely. And I actually watched
the first part of the show today and I thought
what you said about young quarterbacks in general, especially Lamar Jackson,
was absolutely true. Lamar Jackson played poorly Saturday night doesn't
mean he's a bad player, doesn't mean this year was
a mistake, doesn't mean it was a average I mean

(55:00):
it was just he played one bad game. The two
interceptions were his fault. That first one was too high,
he fumbled the ball in the pocket. He chose to
go outside in a quarterback sneak on fourth and goal
when he should have been a gap centric and in
his fourth down sneak, I mean, he made some bad
decisions in critical downs and and for that, you know,
the Titans were able to win that game. But I agree,

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I think Lamar Jackson's gonna be a fantastic, fantastic player
in this league for a long time. I don't think
people are gonna slow down or stop this offense. Next year,
they might slow it down a little bit. I think
he's only going to get better. I think Lamar Jackson's
greatest at you because he's a fierce, fierce competitor. Yeah,
he will go to the drying board this offseason. He'll
address some of the stuff that got him in trouble.

(55:43):
But the Titans had a very simple formula. They were
gonna play soft and not give up the gimme big play.
They're gonna overload the middle of the field. Us watching
the game up in this up and coach in Steven
Shotty's box with Ray Lewis, and we could see it
from really up high, and Ray and I were both
noticing they're flooding the middle of the field at the enders.
They weren't going to give up. This seems the Crossers
they were going to make Lamar go through his progressions

(56:05):
and throw the ball outside the numbers, and it was
a formula at work. Next year he addresses that he
throws the ball better outside the numbers. It's one more
element to his game. He's gonna be harder to stop.
It is funny. So Drew Bledsoe was texting me He's
on later this hour. He's like, I love Mike Vrabel.
I want to play for Mike Bravell. If he calls me,
I'm suiting up. I had football guys all weekend are like, God,

(56:27):
Tennessee's fun, and I'm like, yeah, I'm a I'm a commentator.
They're not that much fun. When you look at Tennessee,
what do you see? I imagine you love him. I
see I see that team in Mike Varibel as what
wins in playoff football. I think Mike Vraibel is as
good a football coach as anybody in the national football
Like I've been saying it all year long here in

(56:48):
Nashville doing Nashville hits and stuff. Mike. You guys don't
realize how good you have it. This time last year,
what we're doing, we were just praising Sean McVay as
the greatest coach ever. Effect It was the run joke
on TV. Everybody wants a Sean McVay clone because it's
sizzy and hot and flashy and sexy, and I get it.
I love Sean McVay. Mike Rabels, everybody's good. A football

(57:10):
coach is Sean McVay. He just doesn't do it through
the flash and sizzly. He does it with substance. He
does it with toughness. He does it by getting badass
dudes to get in to be part of his program.
He does the old fashioned way, and his team loves it,
This city loves it. It works this time of year.
He made some really hard decisions earlier in the year,
from a franchise quarterback to Ryan Tannehill. He's made other adjustments,

(57:34):
how he's handled the Taylor Luan situation, how they've continued
to get better as the year has gone on. Mike
Rabels is good at football coaches anybody, and I think
he's gonna build a product that's going to be sustainable
for a long time. Okay, So I'm gonna throw this
at you. You're a quarterback guy, and you teach quarterbacks.
So I said this to my staff this morning, and
they roll their eyes at me. I said, listen, Aaron.

(57:56):
Mike McCarthy was kind of a mechanics guy. That's kind
of what he does. He loves teaching quarterbacks. Mike's gone, Aaron.
Now it feels like to me, he's throwing off his
back foot on every throw. And I'm like, I don't
like the way it looks. So tell me I'm wrong,
You're wrong. I think in general, most people, I don't

(58:17):
want this to come off snobbish. Most people that talk
about back mechanics don't know what they're talking about. Thrown
off your back foot. I get it the old days,
like and I did it. It was one of my faults.
You know, you're throwing your kind of falling away, losing
moment that was called thrown off your back foot. What
Aaron is do is he's violently rotating his hips to

(58:37):
generate more power. Actually, it's actually a more efficient way
of throwing a football. And to do so, you have
to get your left foot out of the way. You know,
these old school guys that took the big, giant left
foot and almost like I get javelin. I mean, that
is completely backwards. There's been so much science, so much
research into biomechanics, and I will most efficiently generate ground

(58:58):
force into rotational force. And yeah, he got all the
stuff that everybody's like starting to change the channel right
now talking about that's what these modern quarterbacks are really
working on. They're always working on ways of being creative.
It's their art. And that's the easiest way of saying
is Aaron Rodgers is an artist, and he's learned an
artistic way to maximize his potential. And the other thing
it does You see Patrick Mahomes do it too. You

(59:20):
see Deshaun Watson do it. You see very much anybody
that dives into quarterback mechanics. It also allows them to
play in a cluttered pocket because no longer do you
need to stride. There literally is no front foot stride
in the modern day throwing motion. It is more a
rotation of the hips. Get your left foot out of
the way or your front foot out of the way,
and you generate way more speed. All right, Well, so

(59:43):
I'm wrong every couple of weeks and Noig occasionally whiff
on stuff. I've now just done the worst segment in
the history of the herd. I'm fascinated by it, and
that's all that matters, right, Okay, So we go to
Mahomes and listen. Okay, there's nothing that can be said.
The one thing I'll say about Patrick Mahomes is I'm
a big believer in this Trent Dynasty's get short when

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egos get big. Golden State, Kevin Durant want to do
his own thing. Okay, it ends Popovich and Duncan always
had the same alignment. When I look at Kansas City
and Mahomes and Andy Reid, I see guys that are
in proper alignment. Andy's as good as you can get.
Patrick knows it, and Patrick's as good as Andy Reid

(01:00:27):
can get, and he knows it. I really do feel
like as the New England dynasty sort of curtails, we
have one and it looks like it's a ten year run.
For me. I don't see the egos. I think everybody.
I think in Kansas City, the GM, the coach, the quarterback.
I really like what I see here beyond just hey,
they want a big football game. I mean, talk a

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little bit about what you saw. Yeah, that's really why
it's what you said. I agree with that. I mean,
in my career in the NFL and in the TV career,
you saw most of the really good partnerships dissolved because
of egos and or people wanting more credit. And the
thing I love about Patrick and really have admired about
him since day one, and I think a lot of
this was the first year Alex Smith influence. I mean,

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I'll go back to that. We talked about it a
lot Patrick's first year, but so much wisdom he gained
from being around Alex for that year, one of the
true pros in our league. And I think one of
the things he probably learned was, you know, as soon
as you start trying to take credit and started giving credit,
it kind of tears at the fabricas football team and
Patrick mahomes one of obviously the greatest stars in all

(01:01:32):
professional sports, a transformational type talent, never puts attention on himself.
He's constantly celebrating the success of his teammates, you know,
pointing out the things they do well. He's almost bashful
when it comes when people are heaping praise on Yeah.
I think for that reason, this is very sustainable. And

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I think Andy Reid's very much the same way. I mean,
Andy Reid's one of the more successful coaches we've had
in the league for a long time. And Andy Reid
never talks about Andy Reid. Right, He's constantly trying to
promote his assistance. He's celebrating his players. I mean, it's
really one of those organizations that you can look at
it feels good. Yeah, you know, there's not that stink
around it. There's not that heaviness to it. When you're

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watching the Canvas Chiefs, you're reading about them, you know,
people are talking about there's kind of that light and
fluffy feel good because I think they're two heads, they're
two rock stars or people that tend to give credit
away instead of trying to get it all for themselves.
You know the Niners very well. They took the ball
out of Jimmy Garoppolo's hands in the second half. Now
I could make the argument it's because he threw a
bad pick, or I could make the argument, if you

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don't have to throw, why throw? What did you see
with the Niners second half game plan, which was We're
just gonna just pound on you for the next ninety minutes.
And it wasn't even just even pounding. It was the
multiplicity of the run game. It was outside zone, it
was outside his own cut back. They showed some power,
they got some gashing runs with a power concept, kind

(01:02:57):
of a rap scheme down, down and on which they
don't do a ton of, you know, multiple formations, multiple motions.
I mean, it was almost like Kyle was toying with Zimmer.
Zimmer is one of the greatest defensive coordinators or league's
ever had. He is a He's a nightmare to play against.
I can tell you that right now. But the run
game is the great equalizer. When you can control the

(01:03:19):
line of scrimmage, especially when you're as multiple in the
in the run game as the Niners, where why would
you ever throw it? I mean, there's nothing more euphoric
as a football player a coach than to just look
across the sidelines and know they can't stop your run game.
There's a bravado to it. There's a I don't know,
there's there's a warm and fuzzy feeling that goes inside

(01:03:41):
you when you know you're physically manhandling the team across
from you. And then that's what the Niners were doing.
They were imposing their will to the Minnesota Vikings with
the run game. The other thing does It keeps the
other offense off the field. And I think that's one
of the most critical things and playoff football is you
want to limit the opponent's possessions. You want to shortened
the game, especially if you played good defense. And it complimentary.

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It compliments the four in Irons, great defense, perfectly great stuff.
Trent Dilfer was at that the honored as a legend
of the game, the Titans Ravens game. It's great talking
to you. As always. We got four teams left. They're
all fun to watch. Thanks buddy, Thanks Freddy. Cold and
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Sinex nasal spray use as directed. Joy Taylor with the news.
This is the Herd Line News. So Bill O'Brien is
facing some criticism after Texans blew eight twenty four points
lead against the Chiefs. But one person that's standing by
his head coach is the Shaun Watson, who has complete

(01:04:46):
faith that O'Brien is the right guy for the job.
It's no doubt. I mean you might have doubt, but
there's no doubt. I mean, I love that man, I'm
gonna play heart for that man. And man, y'all can
say whatever y'all want to say, you know, through all
the media and all the writing, but as long as
I'm at quarterback, he's it's cool with me. You know,
he's got my heart. He's gonna get all my ten
percent every time I step on the field. So y'all

(01:05:09):
can say whatever, but I'm always be rooting for that
man and gonna play hard for him. Yeah, they're a
restaurant where the food's usually good, but the service isn't.
It's kind of a mass They kind of butcher your order.
But most of the time the food's pretty good in Houston.
But I don't like the optics of this team ever.
I'll be honest. That was an all time meltdown. We're

(01:05:35):
kind of going soft because it's the Chiefs and we
expect them to win, and because quite frankly, we love
the Shaun Watson right, but if we're if any of
those factors are not the case, the Texans would be
getting crushed today. I think it's just kind of expected,
so it's almost become normalized now that said, Bill O'Brien

(01:05:55):
has won the division four of six times I know,
so he's won two two playoff games. He also took
Penn State over when they were in the middle of
the Joe pass stuff and did a nice job to
turn it around, So he's capable. It wasn't the offense yesterday.
The d line was they quit. You can't get out
sport fifty one to seven. That's never great to me

(01:06:17):
in my opinion. What does the Shawn Watson not to
do with that? I know it's terrible twenty four points?
What else do you want him to do? And I
realized some of it with special teams, but hello, that
was insane like that. That was an all time meltdown
by the Texans defense. They deserve the credit for what
happened there. I don't blame that. I'll put that on
the Sean Watson and quite frankly, I don't know if
I can put it on Phill O'Brien entirely. Like they

(01:06:39):
they're so consistent that it's like they're just consistent enough
that you can't really make a change. If I was
a professional sports better, I would take them off the
board every week. I can't. There's certain teams I can't
get my arms around. I never know what I'm getting
from Houston. They mostly win nine to ten games. But
I I mean, did you expect them to take just
twenty four nothing to league? Oh? Hell no. Did you
expect them to blow it eight minutes? No, that's who

(01:07:02):
they are. How can you do that? They are? That said,
I did think, like everyone is killing them for the
fake punt. I think Sorenson just made an incredible tackle
on that. Like if they convert that, nobody's saying that
that was a bad move. The media tempt to be
brooded on this, like we want our coaches to take rest.
They do. A defense makes a great stop and we
rip the coach. Sometimes the defense just made a great point.

(01:07:24):
That's right, And I didn't love it, but it's not
the end of the world. I didn't. I didn't hate
that call at all. Just was an amazing tackle. He
was right there, Sorenson. So it had been three years
since Aaron Rodgers and the Packers hosted a playoff game
at Land. Both Field and Rodgers made sure to take
a moment to soak it all in. I stapped myself
in the second quarter. This is a special moment, just

(01:07:44):
seeing just the whole stadium waving those white towels and
just I just think I was really in that moment,
just grateful for the opportunity and loving what I do.
I mean, there's nothing like having a ball on your
hands in a clutch situation and no one you got
seventy eight thousand, nine hundred ninety eight or whatever it

(01:08:04):
was today, most of them, you know, cheering you on.
Also after the game, did you see what he did
after the game? It was on social like he took
a slow walk and he thanked everybody and there was
like thirty cameras around him. And I watched it last
night and I'm like, God, you do you get how
many of those do you get in your life? Eight
Even Aaron Rodgers where you're walking off the field heading

(01:08:25):
to the NFC Championship knowing it's the last home game
of the year, and I'm sitting there, you know what, Aaron,
take your time, Like, honestly, it's like Aaron soak it in.
He just didn't. He didn't soak it up. He just
kind of sat there and he walked in and he
thanked the fans in the in the video. We should
have it before the end of the show. It's just awesome.
It is, and there are we kind of gloss over

(01:08:45):
these moments, like, you know, if it's not the super Bowl,
it's not an important win. And you know, if you
don't make it all the way to the super Bowl,
you didn't have a great season. Like he should appreciate
this because they've they've they've had a rocky road for
the past couple of years, and he's been doubted and
criticized even this year. Like I've the Packers all year.
Everyone's a little so so on them. But I'm not
just ready to bail on Aaron Rodgerson me as a
defense finally for the first time. And I thought yesterday

(01:09:07):
was a good example of what that team can do
when they're playing at their best. And they asked him
to make two great throws and he made both of
us and he did. That's seven point underdogs against the
forty niners point to Fox Bed. That feels right, Yeah,
that's about right now. Now. It's interesting. Tennessee Kansas City,
what's the line on that. I don't have that with it.
I think that's seven to seven and a half, it's

(01:09:29):
seven and a half. I think those are good lines.
I would say Tennessee if I If I am Kansas City,
I'm thinking they've completed fifteen passes. If you're Kansas City,
Tennessee worries me. The way they play with Kansas City.
They worry me because they just make you sit on
the bench. I can't. Yeah, that does concern me. Like you,

(01:09:52):
controlling the time possession is gonna be a problem. But
to me, there's there's one issue. There's a big issue.
But it's an issue you better figure out. Derrick Henry, Yep,
that's that's that's your number one goal for this week
if you're the Chiefs. So Finally, Marshall Lynch came out
of retirement to help the seahawks injured backfield after the
loss of the Packers. He didn't say it was the
end for him in the NFL, but he did offer

(01:10:13):
some advice to young players. It's a vulnerable time for
a lot of the young dudes. You feel me. They
don't be taking care of the chicken, right, you feel me?
So if it was me or if I had an
opportunity to let these little young shi hobs know some
I say take care of y'all money African, because you

(01:10:33):
don't last favor, you feel me, start taking care of y'all, mantools,
your bodies, and y'all chicken. When y'all you know ready
to walk away, you walk away and you be able
to do what you want to do. But I appreciate it.
Thank y'all. I have a good day. There you go.
Touch of a unique moment at the mic for Marshawn
because he doesn't really mess with the media too much. Yeah,

(01:10:55):
but I Marshall Lynch is one of my favorite all
time players, unique like in the history of the NFL.
I think he's so fun to watch. Yeah, He's a
character all on, a unique individual on himself and just
keeps it one hundred all the time. And it was
nice to see him have a play a role in
keeping the Seahawks in that game. Oh god, I mean

(01:11:16):
that you can only rely on him so much. I mean,
you can't give him twenty eight carries, no, but what
he does, yeah, is what he did, and it was
he was successful at that Like they needed him every
every moment he was out there. So to come back
and be able to do that, you know, and what
this year would be his felf season is just it
was impressive. It's always fun to watch ye joy with
the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping

(01:11:37):
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the free marketing. You're a smart man. How are you doing.
I'm doing great, calling man. Thanks for having me on
you bet Quarterback play yesterday. As a former pro Bowler,
What did you make of the weekend's quarterback play? I
think it was the best single day of quarterback play
that I've witnessed, at least in recent history. All four
guys played at a truly elite level. You know, there

(01:12:45):
are a couple of different kinds to me of greatness
and an exceptionality. You know, there's one you know, you
quit it to basketball. You know, the guy that makes
the free throw to win the game at the end.
You know that's a big deal, But you're supposed to
make your free throws, right, you know, it's doing the
ordinary thing in extraordinary circumstances. And so when you have
a quarterback that's working from the pocket doesn't get hit

(01:13:07):
throws to open guys, even in big moments, those are glorified.
That's one kind of greatness. But we saw yesterday, though,
was truly exceptional talent and ability by all four guys.
It was really amazing to watch. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes, I
mean there is a little far I mean, you're a
guy that could spin it. Uh, there's a lot of
different elements to him. He's about as good a passer.

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He has some Marino stuff, right, you know, he's really unique.
And the thing is, the thing that's interesting is that
that the two guys that you know as quarterbacks that
we all sort of bow down to, we're both playing yesterday.
One's Patrick Mahomes and the other one is Aaron Rodgers. Now, Aaron,
you know, he's been beat up a little bit and

(01:13:51):
and all of this. But let me let me just
let me just give you a little equation if I could.
You know, I'm not great at math, I'm not. I'm
sure you're not super great at math. Maybe are, but
you can always ask Joyce. She could probably explain it
to him. But but if you think about what you
would have to do to do the math to make
that big throw that Aaron made on third down yesterday
to Jimmy Graham. You know, Jimmy's running away from him,

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and that's sort of an obscure angle. He's got to
throw the ball up and down over the top of
a linebacker and he's got to do that math. And
the whole time while he's doing that and throwing the
ball remarkably accurately, he's sliding to his left away from pressure,
doesn't even have his feet set, and yet he's still
able to make this incredibly accurate throw with the right touch,

(01:14:35):
the right velocity, the right arc, all of those things.
It's just amazing. Man, when you watch what some of
these guys are able to do, you know, when they're
off balance and still able to throw really accurately, it's
just impressive. Listen, we both love Russell Wilson. Let me
be critical of Pete Carroll, who's going to be a
Hall of Fame coach. They just won't put their arms

(01:14:55):
around him. They're trying to run the football early, and
I'm like, Pete, just give it to Russell. You got
a guy out. Marshawn lynch Is you know he's at
the on the beach. Three weeks ago, I didn't love
Seattle's game plan instead of just embracing Russell. Any thoughts
on that, Well, first, let me say this about Russell Wilson.

(01:15:17):
You know, I think we all know Lamar is probably
gonna be get the MVP this year. But if you're
really talking about most valuable Player, there is no question
who that is. It's Russell Wilson. You know you're watching
that game yesterday. If most any other quarterback is quarterback
in the Seahawks yesterday, I'm not sure, they score a point.
You know, I'm really nay. They get very few first downs.

(01:15:38):
You know, he's able, he's able to create on the move.
It was interesting. I was actually thinking last night because
I know your two favorite quarterbacks right now and then
you don't play favorites. But but you love Russ and
you love Tommy, right yeah, yeah, yeah, So let me
ask you questions. So when are you most comfortable cheering
for Tom Brady? It's when he's in the pocket and

(01:15:59):
things are on schedule, right, yeah, yeah, just operating. Yeah,
when are you most comfortable watching Rus when he's moving? Always?
Oh my goodness. You know, if you're a chair for
the Seahawks, you want him on the move because nothing
bad happens and it's always something good when he's on
the move. He throws the ball remarkably accurately, and then
he can pull it down and run for a first down.
When he starts moving, you just know something good is

(01:16:20):
going to happen for the Seahawk. I love this view
right here. There's really nobody open, and he throws him open. Okay,
so you are texting me during this game, You're lie?
See this five four one area code and I'm like Oregon,
So who is saying, well, that's bled soul? He said, So,
I don't know Rabel. He is a man's man. He's
got some Jack Deel real qualities. He's a big dude.
And I'm watching him. And as as somebody that's been

(01:16:43):
in the Patriots, explain why you love Rabel as much
as you do. Well, first of all, he owes me.
He owes me big time. Because the touchdown passes he
caught in the Super Bowls that was because of me.
He was one of these guys. Rabel has so much energy,
like he would run. He would run, scout, kickoff just
for fun during practice, you know, as an old vet.

(01:17:04):
He'd just go run rundown because he had to burn
off energy. Well before games, he had to burn off energy.
And so he would come out early. And I was
out early, and I'd throw him balls and he's running
around the field catching balls and he was really good
at it. And Belichick noticed the next thing, you know,
the dude's catching touchdowns in the Super Bowl. And he's
never sent me like anything for that. So brave, if
you're watching, if you know, come on, send me something.
Hooker brother up. But he was a guy that was

(01:17:27):
just infectious in the locker room. He's a big dude,
he's got a big voice, and everybody loved him. I
was only with him for one year, which my wife
and I both had to google that. It seemed like
we were together for a lot of years, but became
great friends right away. But you can't replace the credibility
that he has with those guys. They know that he

(01:17:50):
was a certified badass as a player, and he brings
that attitude and you look at him and you can
tell just looking at him he actually wants to get
out there and play. Yeah, And you really can't replace
that credibility that he has with those guys. He's got
them all playing great football and it's just exciting to watch.
Minute left. The Niners look like the best football team.

(01:18:10):
Does that mean anything to you? I think they are
the best football team. You know. Hats off to John
Lynch for putting together a team and doing it the
right way. You know. They get after the passer, they
run the ball well. They they built a team from
the inside out rather than going and getting the shiny
you know ornament, you know. And and then Jimmy is

(01:18:33):
Jimmy is doing exactly what he needs to do. He's
a great leader for that team. He doesn't make mistakes,
and when he's called on to make a big play,
he does. Yeah. So I just I have a hard
time seeing somebody beating the forty nine ers, you know.
Really happy to see Green Bay's success. You know, I
love Aaron Rodgers. But man, that's a tall task going
in there to to San Francisco and trying to take

(01:18:54):
down the Niners. They just look like they're great in
every phase. All right, let's take one more shot of Drew.
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You know. Maybe I'll even send you a ball of wine.

(01:19:16):
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available at Walmart. I gotta get into this. I'm gonna
on the other end, I have not talked about the
Cleveland Browns job. I'm going to talk about that because
they did hire a new coach and Cleveland's melting and
they're freaking out, and I'll give you, you know, my
opinion on that. We've also got Tony Gonzala stopping by.
He was on the set yesterday when Jimmy Johnson was

(01:19:58):
given his Hall of Fame honor, which was incredible by
the Canton, Ohio Hall of Fame. Also, I've got thoughts
about LSU and Clemson. That game is tonight. I'm going
to give you about seven eight minutes of my thoughts
on that game. This is you know, we talk about
all the time about what football's becoming. Let me tell

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you what football is after this weekend. It's Tennessee running
it right down. It is Aaron Jones as good as
Aaron Rodgers. It's LSU and Clemson and SEC power and
Clemson physically at the point of attack football the way
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noon Easter nine am Pacific. Welcome back. So over the weekend,
Cleveland hired Kevin Stefanski, pretty quiet guy, offensive coordinator for

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the mint Anesota Vikings, and he'll work with a front
office in Cleveland. They'll do a bunch of analytic stuff.
And of course Cleveland it thinks it's terrible. Of course
they do about I understand why they do, because when
you have low self esteem as a person or a business,
your instincts go into the tank you reach. You want
loud and shiny. You're impressed with people who make a

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lot of noise like Josh McDaniels, and Kevin Stefanski does not.
He's smart, he's confident, he works with analytics, he doesn't
have an ego. He is flexible, he is not rigid.
And of course Cleveland and I don't blame their fans
wouldn't get it because when You've been harassed and humiliated

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and embarrassed and mocked, and your self esteems taking a
beating person or business. Your instincts are a mess, and Cleveland,
their instincts are a mess. Their fans don't know what
they want. It's a good hire, is it Mike McCarthy. No?
Is it Ron Rivera No. Josh McDaniels was a bad
fit here. He's impulsive, he's got an ego, he's rigid.

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For the record, Cleveland, you don't have to believe in me.
But you thought John Dorsey was a great GM, and
I told you it wasn't gonna work. Too loud, too rigid.
You thought Freddie Kitchens was a great hire. I said,
is not gonna work in a division with Harbon Mike Tomlin,
he's over his skis. You thought Baker was the right
quarterback at number one, and I said, he's not as

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talented as Lamar Darnald, he doesn't throw it even as
nice as Josh Allen. He's not a number one pick.
So I've been right on everything with Cleveland, I mean everything,
and you've been wrong on everything. And you're wrong here too.
Kevin Stefanski was the right guy to hire. One shit
didn't get Rivera, one shit didn't get Urban, and one

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sh you didn't get Mike McCarthy. I don't think he's
as good as those three, but of the remaining ones,
he's flexible. He's gonna work with analytics. He has said
he's willing to allow analytics on a headset during games.
I don't have a problem with that. I'm for more
smart people listening. He works with a GM, Paul de Podesta,
who's a baseball gay guy. But let's be honest, Cleveland's

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into this stuff. They're rolling the dice. They're trying to
tweet the culture. I'm okay with it now. I don't
love the owner demanding that the new coach sit down
with him and break down the game on Monday. Hard
pass on that. But Stefanski has never gotten a job.
This is his first big break, and I do think
there'll be a better football team win more than six

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games with Kevin Stevanski. But Cleveland, you've been wrong this
entire time, and I give you a pass because when
you're mocked and humiliated, your self esteem plummets and your
instincts go into the tank, and Cleveland fans, your instincts
are horrible right now. Stefanski's a good hire. I don't
know if he's gonna work because I don't know if
anybody can work with this owner. And I think the

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quarterback's way too impulsive. But Josh McDaniel was not I
said it before the hiring. Josh McDaniels was not the
fit here. He was class at Cleveland. He's cocky, he's
got an ego my way or the highway, and you
just love that with John Dorsey and it whiffed. I

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think he got the best remaining guy. He's pro analytics.
He's a good dude. He's strong, he loves to run
the football. Cleveland should be running the football and asking
Baker to throw twenty four a game, not thirty four
times a game. Joy with the news, No, no, turn
on the news. This is the herd Line news. Leab.
We have a little bit of breaking news. MLB has

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handed down the unprecedented penalties for the Astros after the
investigation into signed ceiling during their World Series championship season
in twenty seventeen. All Right, GM Jeff Luno and manager A. J.
Hinch are both suspended for one year. Wow. The team
will forfeit their first and second round draft picks in
twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. Bow wow, and they'll

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be fine five million dollars, which is the maximum allowed
by the league and form a. Former Astro's assistant GM
Brandon Todman was also placed on Baseball Baseball's ineligible list.
You know, the sad thing about this is they probably
would have won the World Series anyway, right, It's like,
you've had the best team for about three years. What

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are you doing? But I guess, you know, I guess,
you know, people would say that about New England and
they're pushing the envelope, pushing the envelope, but that this
was pushing the envelope. But it was very messy. This
is like the whole process of how they would like
feed you know, the video feed into the hallway and
then like people are communicating garbage cans. I guess this
is a really crazy story. Here's the thing is, I

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don't how do I say this. I don't think less
of their team, Like I think they've had the best
baseball team the last two years. I don't think less
of the Astros, but I do wonder when you get
all these smart men in a room. They all raised
their hand and said, let's do it like you put.
I swear to God and I've said this before. Man

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the individually or smart groups of men together, the IQ drops.
How can all these smart guys go, yeah, I'm for this.
You had the best players and the best staff and well,
but don't your guess is as good as mine. And

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in that situation, I don't have the answer for that.
But I know everyone wants to push the envelope a
little bit, you know, take advantage of any situation that
they can. I get that. This is one of those
situations where it's like there's enough, Like you said, there's
enough people that throughout this process of how this whole
thing worked, you have like, guys, just just play the game,

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all right, Like play by the rules. You can take
an advantage of something here and there. Everybody does, but this, this,
it takes away from the greatness that your team is.
And I don't have a problem with the finds being
this unprecedented because you want to discourage people from doing
it in the future. Five million bucks is one playoff game.
The money is not the point, but it's the maximum allowed.
It's a suspensions in the draft picks that are Yeah, listen,

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you just took away four great draft picks. And if
you look at the history of the draft, your first
two to three rounds is where all the players rive. Right. So,
Lamar Jackson obviously had an incredible year, but came up
store in the playoffs for the second season in a row,
Titans pulled off the twenty eight twelve up side over
the Ravens, and Lamar knows that they let a big
opportunity slip away. We just beat on ourselves, you know. Um,

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yeah a lot. I had a lot of mistakes. I
might we have free turnovers that shouldn't happen. Um, But
you know, they came out to play. You know, we
just started off slow. You just gotta do better next time.
But I don't really care about what they said. You know,
this is my second year in the league. Many people
don't be able to make it to the playoffs. I
got a great team with me. Don't you really worry
about what the people saying. We're just gonna keep going.
I get it finish. Yeah, that's exactly what he should say.

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For the record, Josh Allen melted down, Um, Lamar didn't
have a good game. Uh, Sam Darnold can't get to
the playoffs. We're not sure Baker can play. It's hard.
Once you get the playoff games and you're a young quarterback,
this is a hard lee. It's and making it to
the playoffs are tough. Like he said, some people don't

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even ever make it to the playoffs. Remember Mahomes last
year in the playoffs. In the first half against New England,
they couldn't pick up first downs at home, couldn't pick
up first downs. It's look, I'm not going to sit
here and act like we weren't all surprised if the
Titans did this shocking Okay, So if you, if you
other than Clay Travis, if you were ahead of it,
like you know, good for you. When nobody else saw this.
I avoided his all weekend. I avoided his you're trying

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to avoid his Twitter account. But look, there's really not
a whole lot there. It's hard to explain what the
Titans are doing other than Derrick Henry. They don't really
have an explanation for it. I just think that what
happened with the Ravens is what I saw a lot
throughout this weekend with the teams at loss is that
you started to see a little bit of a panic.
You could you could see it, just the energy around
the team started to get a little panicky. And you
start trying to go for twenty point plays and those

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don't exist. Just do what you do. Focus on this second,
catch the ball, then run like the drops were like
every time it was just like they took their eyes
off of it, like you got hungry to run before
you did what you need to do first, Like focus
on what you do. And I feel like the teams
that win in the playoffs always remember that. It's what
It's what Aaron Rodgers was talking about with the boys.
Go into this game and treat it like any other game,

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even if it's not Do what you do best. Don't
try and be a hero, don't try and make the
big play, because that's when you're gonna mess up. And
that's that's what I felt like happened. Finally, Fox's very
owned Jimmy Johnson finally got his spot in the Pro
Football Hall of Fame. Here is Hall of Fame President
David Baker surprising Jimmy with the news yesterday during the
halftime show. It's my great honor to tell you that

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you're going to be the three hundred and twenty eight
what Hall of Famer in the Football Hall of Famer,
and your legacy is going to be Encanton, Ohio forever. Congratulations, Congratulations,
awesome hard top ten not get emotional watching that. I

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love Jimmy, Like I said earlier, Jimmy drafted my brother
and and coached him for several years. And obviously Jimmy's
very well loved in my in the Miami area. He's
part of the Fox family. I like the Bill Cower
surprise was great too. Another very well deserved obviously. Uh,
you know they were both in the water Boy. Yes,

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Bill Cower and Jimmy Johnson even greater than the Hall
of Fame of Collins or both in water Boy sitting
next to each other movie. Yes, I'm very excited. I'm
a kind of a Hall of Fame excuse me, Hall
of Fame junkie. Yeah. I always loves seeing you the
finalists are. I love the speeches. Yeah, I mean having
to be able to participate in the Hall of Fame
weekend was obviously amazing with my brother. But it's just

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it's so well deserved. It was long overdue for Jimmy.
Um so, congrats coach, he's he's one of the best ever. Yeah,
Joy was the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the third line. Let's bring in Tony Gonzalez,
who himself as a Hall of Famer, inductive this year,
a gold jacket guy, seventeen years, fourteen Pro Bowls. First
of all, you were on that set yesterday with Jimmy

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and I and I said this earlier, I do a
Sunday show. You know, we're together on that, and they did.
Fox has never said I had to do it, but
years ago. I chose to do it because I wanted
to get to the on Sunday. I wanted to come
into the lot and I wanted to talk to Bradshawn,
Howie and Strayhan and Kurt and Jimmy because they're all
full of knowledge. I've never learned more about football than
I've learned from Jimmy Johnson. So I come in. He's

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the first guy in. I get my oatmeal, and I
just asked him nine questions and I learned something every Sunday.
So you're on the set yesterday. How emotional was it? Oh? Well,
you know, we had no clue. By the way, they
did not tell us. That's why when you saw Terry
and all the guys saying whoa, and we thought it
wasn't gonna happen, honestly. And then when you see you know,
big day, because you saw Bill Cower in the morning,

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get it. I saw Bill Cower in the morning, get it.
But we and we thought, okay, if it was going
to happen, Even Jimmy I talked to him afterwards and
he was like, well, you know, since we didn't get
it in the pregame show, he didn't think it was
gonna happen. Nobody on the set day We're all like
kind of upset and you know, complaining about it. And
then when he came around and just to see Jimmy's reaction,
I'll tell you what this is. This is probably the

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coolest moment I've ever had in my life, Even more
so than than the moment when mister Baker told me
that I was going through the Hall of Fame. I
don't know why, it was just it just it was
so surreal just seeing Jimmy because he's it's it's been
so long. Yeah, we've all been anticipated it hadn't happened.
I Mean, I said before in my life, if you
said best football coaches, I'd go Belichick's the best. I

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didn't see Lombardi, so you put him out there, I'd
say Belichick's the best. And I'm like, and you start
looking around, and you start and you're like, oh boy,
Jimmy's way way up there. Yeah. Like he's i mean,
dominates college, dominates the NFL, like it just it just
doesn't happen. And he's also the first guy to engineer
a major trade. Nobody traded football players. Yeah, he changed

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the culture of the sport. Yeah, I mean, it's just
in and he could. For the record, he could have
stayed in Dallas for years. He and Jerry, you know,
they're both big superstars that Jerry wanted more control and
Jimmy's like, that's not what I do. So and that's
the strange thing I found. He's not even in the
Cowboys Hall of Fame Ring of Honors, so obviously there's
some there's some stuff going on between him and Jerry

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that uh that you know, hopefully gets resolved because now
that he's in the Hall of Fame, I mean, put
him in the Cowboy ring on or too. Yeah, So
let's I want to I want to talk about a
couple of these games. Let's start with Kansas City, Near
and dear to your heart. Um, it is pretty remarkable.
Do you worry it all? Today? You're like, how did
they fall behind twenty four? Nothing? Like? Were you freaking out?

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Like what? He was an emotional roller coaster for me. Yesterday.
I was at the house watching it by myself, which
the rarity around the Gonzalez household, and I'm sitting there
and I was, I was, I was cussing, I was frustrated.
I beat the pillow up a little bit and walking
around the couch and I'm like, I can't believe this.
Unbelievable what's going on? Because it wasn't the mistakes. It
was all mistake football. It wasn't about talent. Obviously you

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saw what happened. It was just the drop passes and
the and the punt block and the missed as signments.
I was like, what is going You're melting? You know,
you know the earth thing is buys aren't great. That's
why the byes. Let's go. Let's talk about that. So
Lamar Jackson, he plays a great game against San Francisco
and then they played two dogs. They give him a

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week off week seventeen and then he has a buye.
I thought he look rusty. I thought the receivers look rusty.
You know, Belichick never believed in that. Tony Belichick was like,
Tom Birdie's not getting weeks seventeen off. Yeah, we're playing
all our starter. Dungee though, was always a give Peyton
Manning time off in your life. I always had a
theory that if you were hot, keep playing. Yeah, and

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I thought Baltimore was hot and they rested people. Yeah, well,
it depends on who that person is. I believe now
at the end of the season, I've had the first
round buys and I remember Kansas City, we had it twice.
Did you like it, Well, you'd like it because you think, okay,
when we get the extra rest, everybody can get healthy
and all that stuff. We lost both times. Wow ninety

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seven one as a rookie in two thousand and three
with that Dick for Meal team, Yes, we lost in
the first round against Peyton Manny they played the week before.
Everybody was rusty when we went out there. You gotta
keep going. It's the hot hand. You got to you
gotta keep playing. And this is why New England is
so good, because when they do get that bye week,
Belichick is a master at keeping those guys focused. Now,
I don't know if it's through fear I got I

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got a feeling it's through fear and his scheduling. There
is no hey, let's all take off for three days.
We're gonna go out there in shorts. It's like, no,
we're gonna do pads and we're gonna go out there
and nobody's dropping balls. I will cush you out in
front of the whole team. I will call you out
in front of the whole team, everybody. We're gonna stay
just as tight as ever because they've never been a
rusty with a bye. Huh. They're never rusty with a bye,
never rusty with the bye. And that's that. I think

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that's and I've heard this too. Even during the regular season,
he doesn't give them a bye week. They don't get
a bye week. But when you know, when everybody else
takes off, i'd take off and hey, fam, we're going
down to Miami during the bye week, you know, because
we got four or five days off hurt. Belichick gives
them the minimum off, which is like two days. You
don't have to give off that bye week. And it's because, hey,
we're gonna stay focused, We're gonna come in here and

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we're gonna stay prepared, and that's why they do what
they do. So just my eyes tell me San Francisco
is the best team left and Kansas City is the
second best team left. And then green Bay, Tennessee. What
do you make of Green Bay? Like Aaron's now throwing
to one guy. They don't adjust well at half. You

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can't dispute that anymore. They were outscored twenty to seven
by Seattle. So I've got this team with perhaps the
fourth best coach that doesn't adjust well at half. They
throw to one guy and they're fourteen and three. Like,
what do you see with Green Bay? I think, Well,
the thing you didn't mention is their defense. I think
that's that's what's popping out to me. I mean the

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Smith addition the Preston and Zadarius. Zadarius, that's huge. I mean,
they paid those guys big money and they're delivering to both.
Each of them had two sackses today and they did
well against the pass, and I felt bad for Russell
Wilson because they couldn't get a run game going. You
can't get a run game going. It's just it's just
specially on the road. And he still almost had it.
And he still almost had it. I mean, I felt like,
you've got the ball back. He could have he might

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have went down there and scored. But that's that's what
Green Bay is resting on right now, is their defense.
It's not the offensive side of the ball. And if
I'm to San Francisco, forty nine ers, take away the
Vante Adams and and and shut him, put two people
on him and say, all right, Aaron, you got to
throw to other people. They can run the football a
little bit though. Yeah, no, I mean it's a listen.
Green Bay is a good team, but it generally when

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you have these obvious flaws, like they don't adjust well,
they throw to one guy. You figure the best coaches,
you know sometimes you know, football is funny. So we
go to the Tennessee win. Have you ever played in
a team Tennessee is literally winning completing seven balls in
Foxborough eight balls? Have you ever played in a team

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that was as physical as Tennessee or that literally was
The quarterback was just an accessory. Yeah, I no, no,
I think what they have obviously, their their head are
led by that that Clydesdale in the in the backfield,
Derrick Henry, who nobody wants to tackle. If I'm message

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to Kansas City, tackle this guy low, do not go
up to up top because he's too physical. And then
the defensive side of the their extension. They're an extension
of what Mike Rabel is as a player. Just a
down and dirty not dirty of uh not dirty, I
mean just like physical type guy. Uh. And you see
that expressed throughout their whole defensive side of the football.

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They nobody wants to play this team. This is a
dangerous football team. I'm scared next week for Kansas City.
I know it is an interesting matchup. You could see
them having the ball for thirty four minutes and have
Patrick Mahomes sitting watching the game. That's what New England
did last year in Kansas City in the first half.
Patrick was watching the football game watch And that's and
and there's no reason. First of all, I don't think

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they can do it any differently. Nothing against Tannehill. I
don't think he could. You know, we've seen him from
his body of work. Maybe he'll prove what's wrong, But
up to this point, this is what he is, this
is who he is. They're only gonna win. And if
Derrick Henry goes out there and gets one hundred and
fifty yards and so if I'm the Kansas City Chiefs,
I'm stacking the Lions gribage. I'm gonna say, there's no
way that you're gonna come here and run for more
than a hundred yards. It's it's gonna be, and we're

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gonna have to score points. Keep the foot on the
gas and let's go out there and Andy Reid do
your magical stuff. Mahomie, best player in the league right now,
go out there and do the do the stuff, the
thing you do. What if you'd have played with Mahomie
and Andy Reid Travis Kelsey, Just what an unbelievable game
he had yesterday? Uh? You did not? You played? Mike

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Smith was a defensive coordinator. Did you have herm at all? Uh? Yeah?
Herm her So he was a defensive guy. Vermil was offense.
It was that Don Correel Eric Coreel type. Can you
imagine the career you would have had? It'd been nice,
but it been nice. Yeah, but when you watch Kansas

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City play, there's a flag football field to it. I mean,
it's incredible. It's just everybody seeing an offense like that.
So take me in an offense like that. It looks
like you're allowed to add lib more as a receiver
in a tight end or am I wrong? Is it
much more buttoned up than that? No, it looks like
like that's part of the process of things. I think

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with them, I would have loved to play in this offense.
I think that's why Travis Kelsey you see a lot
of his touchdown plays is when Patrick is rolling out
and you give he's a basketball player, that's what That's
what Travis Kelsey is. He a really good basketball player
before and you give us that little bit of space
to get open all we needed a little inch and
then Patrick Mahomes is the Steph Curry and Magic Johnson

(01:40:38):
type player, and he's just it looks like so much
fun back there. They are having a good time on
offense and they got all that speed, uh finesse. It's
it's it's fun to watch, and I bet it's fun
to play. In seventeen NFL seasons, he's a Gold jacket guy.
It's Tony Gonzalez. Great having me on the show, Bud,
thanks appreciate it. Glad Kansas City one, you're in a
better mood. Coming up next, all breakdown the five reasons

(01:41:00):
I really like Clemson tonight over LSU. I've been known
to be wrong occasionally with my football picks, but I'll
break it down and tell you why I like Clemson
even though they're essentially playing a road game against LSU.
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Colin Right, Colin wrong, loaded show So tonight LSU. It's
essentially a home game plays Clemson, but it's not really
a home game. Should be noted. The two teams in

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this playoff that have ever played a home game both lost.
I don't take a ton from that, it's not really
a home game. Clemson's going to have thirty five thousand
people there. The home teams are owing two when they've
in the playoff had an opportunity. So I think Clemson
Wednesday night, and here are my five reasons. I've given

(01:42:05):
this a ton of thought. Here are my five reasons
Clemson vers LSU. Number one, it's called my Mike Tyson theory.
Mike Tyson only ten of his first thirty seven fights
went to the fourth round. The key with Tyson was
he threw with such velocity and power just get to
the fourth round. It was so alarming. So when Clemson,

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who had a week schedule, played Ohio State, it was
the first team they played in five months with fifteen
NFL guys and Ohio State, like Tyson, the power of
Ohio State put Clemson back on their heels. End of
the first quarter on Clemson average seven and a half

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yards of play, forced two turnovers, rushed for one hundred
and fifty yards, scored twenty nine points, and was clearly
the better team. So the Mike Tyson theory, when you've
played a week schedule, the first quarter against the really
good team Ohio State. It gets you back on your heels.
From the end of the first quarter on. Clemson did

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whatever they wanted against Ohio State's great team. Mike Tyson theory.
Clemson now facing LSU is not going to be back
on their heels. They'll be ready to roll Snap one.
Number two the better coach quarterback combination. Dabo Sweeney's been

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in eight of these games and three national title games.
At Orgeron's been in one. Who's a better quarterback? Trevor
Lawrence is a transformational talent. Joe Burrows had a great
year Okay, Trevor Lawrence twenty five and oh As a starter,
He's accounted for three touchdowns in nine straight games. Joe
Burrow did not face a single opponent this year that

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has a current top ten pass defense. Clemson's number one
in the country. Just be honest about it. Dabo is
a better coach and Trevor Lawrence is a better quarterback.
That's a big edge when you've had seven, eight, nine
days to wait. Number three the no respect card. So
clemsons a five and a half point dog. That's funny.

(01:44:14):
They were a five and a half point dog to
Alabama last year and won by twenty eight points. Ls
Hues offense is getting all the love, but Clemsons is
higher ranked Lsues defense. Oh my god, Clemsons is higher ranked.
All Clemson is done for the last seven days is here,
How great at Orgron is and how great Joe Burrow

(01:44:37):
is and how Clemson has no shot to win this game.
Did you guys watch Bama and Clemson last year? And
Bama last year I think was better than LSU this
year statistically they were, and Clemson beat them by four touchdowns.
Clemson hasn't allowed twenty five points to anybody all year.
The no respect card reason number four been here before.

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Thirty seven players on the roster for Clemson have taken
a snap in a national championship game. Zero for LSU have.
This is the fourth time in five years Clemson's been
in this game. I've had guys like Bill Romanowski on
he said, I've played in all sorts of conference championships.
My first Super Bowl, I don't remember the first eight minutes.

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I don't remember it. This is the biggest game for
LSU coaches players by far in their life. Almost a
half of Clemson's roster has been in this game more
than once. Finally, LSU's defense, I don't think it's great.
None of the eight national champions have ranked as poorly

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in scoring defense as LSU did this year. None five
of the eight last national champions were number one in
scoring defenseless, number one in scoring defense. If you look
at LSU's defense, I saw Tua on a bad leg,
tarat Apart, I saw old miss tarat Apart. They're twenty

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seventh and points per game, fifty second, fifty six pass defense,
fortieth in sacks, an eighty fourth and red zone. I
don't trust this defense, and I think LSU brings back
every important player off their offense from last year. So
Mike Tyson theory coaching quarterback theory been here before theory.

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No respect theory and LSU's defense. They don't get to
the quarterback that much. Trevor Lawrence gonna have time to throw.
So I will take Clemson in a shootout. Gonna be fun,
thirty eight to thirty over LSU, and I already bet
the game. I got points, so it'll be fun. It's

(01:46:55):
it's I was thinking about everybody's like it's a home game.
Do you really think Clemsons Okay, here's a home game
Packers Seahawks yesterday. That's a home game that was seventy nine,
seventy eight. We're Packer fans. You're gonna have thirty thousand
people Clemson fans at this game. They've been in this

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game before. It's the crowd's gonna be lsu I'm not
disputing that. But it's gonna be a bunch of Clemsons
fans and they're very good, and they'll be ready to play,
and I'm not I'm not freaking out about it at all.
You're gonna have a great football game with a lot
of points. The over unders about seventy. I think that's
the right number. I think that it's going to be
right at that. But if you're asking me if I

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was gonna bet, I'm gonna always take the better coach quarterback,
regardless of where the game is played, and five or
six points

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