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a Monday where apparently where you live it was sunny
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and where I live it was breezy and cool all weekend.
The valley was supposed to be scorching hot. It was.
It was as as it's reported. Yes, it is a
different temperature and in Los Angeles, very weird to say
when the show the news, you get three temperatures. You
get the beach, you get the valley, then you get
the desert. I didn't see the sun all weekend. Everybody's like,
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it's nuts, like it was. It looked like Seattle the
whole weekend, which, by the way, I prefer. I've told you, Yeah,
I don't love heat, and so yeah, I like the heat.
I gotta dostom to it in Miami, so I like it.
Like it. It got to a point this winter, I
mean we were complaining about it was we had so
much rain. It just poured. Yes, So we lived in
two different cities this weekend. Apparently from from the life experience.
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So one of the stories that happened. The free agency
thing in the NBA is over, and now the players
are holding press conferences and Anthony Davis held a press
conference for the Lakers, you know, and I was thinking
about this. My daughter just got back. We sent her
on a leadership council thing with college students for five
weeks in Cape Town, South Africa. And she's been to Italy.
Your mom's Italian, so she's been to Italy before. She
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loves to travel. In our family, she's like the adventure,
bungee jump, skydive, that kind of stuff, right, that's what
she likes to do. And she went to Cape Town
and she's like, oh, this is prettier than Italy, and
it's It's not the first person I've met. I've met
probably a half dozen people in my life are like,
you know, everybody goes to Italy and sees Italy, but
you got to go to Cape Town. You cannot believe
how beautiful Cape Town is. And so the last month
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I've been fiddling around with all this stuff and looking
at all Cape Town pictures and she brought a book home.
And the difference is, You've just seen a lot of Italy.
It's been in movies. We talk about Italy, Italian food,
Italian culture. In America. We see it all the time.
We talk about it all the time. It's the easiest
place to get to if you live in the Eastern seaboard,
and you know it's a six seven hour flight, right,
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And so that reminds me of Anthony Davis. He's the
best player in American sports. You haven't seen nobody really knows.
Ninety five percent of fans have never seen him. Oh
you see him in an All Star game? Oh please?
Nobody plays defense. Pelican's ratings in New Orleans were atrocious,
and nobody puts him on national TV, and you can
say you watch that Portland series, but you probably didn't
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because I look at the ratings that series this morning
and they weren't huge. The bottom line is this happens
from time to time. We have a guy in baseball
named Mike Trout. There was a wide receiver in Detroit
named Calvin Johnson, who I contends the first or second
most talented wide receiver in the NFL, but he didn't
go to playoff games a lot, and he didn't go
to Super Bowls. And Anthony Davis is an unbelievable player.
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He's twenty six years old. The scouts I talked to
think this will be the first or second year of
his prime. He is top three in blocks, in top
eight in rebounding, and the best free throw shooting big
and the best defender of the pick and roll. He's
got a very laid back personality like Calvin Johnson and
Mike Trout, and because of that, you just don't know
much about him. By the way, you never watched Gronk
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play at the University of Arizona. If you'd played at
the University at Miami or Alabama or Texas or Oklahoma,
you'd have known Gronk, but he played at a basketball
school of the University of Arizona, and then he went
to New England, and you're like, oh, Gronk's amazing. What
if Arizona to Jacksonville was his route? No Super Bowls,
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no Thursday night football. You don't see him on national TV,
no Monday night football, maybe not even Pro Bowls. What's
the difference with Gronk? He's buried, you don't see him.
And so I think Anthony Davis is a fascinating player.
I can't wait to watch him play. He's got a
very laid back personality. He's the best big in the game.
He does more good things than any big in the game.
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Most believe within a year he will be the best
player on the Lakers, playing with Lebron James. He talked
a little bit about this weekend about sort of the
empowerment of players, about moving from team to team, and
here was his thoughts. I just wanted to take control
of my career. It was always, you know, people kind
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of telling me, now, we need to do this, we
need to do that, you need to do this, and
I just kind of like go with it, you know.
I was young, and I was like, Okay, you know,
I feel like this person has the best interest for
me whatever. And then as I start getting starting more experience, right,
I don't want to do that, you know, I want
to do it this way. By the way, he averaged
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twenty five twenty six a game. Again, most believe he's
just now going into his prime. Won't be able to
be double team because Lebron James and because the Lakers
have enough good shooters. So this happens from time to
time where we have a great player and this kid's
going to be a twenty seven pointed game player, top
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three in blocks, top five and rebounds, best free throw
shooting big in the game. Never have to take him out.
Unbelievable defender, maybe the best defensive player in the NBA.
And most of you haven't watched him. You say you do,
You've watched YouTube highlights. You're not watching Pelicans games. They're
not watching them. In New Orleans. We got a playoffs
one time, so it's gonna be a kind of fact.
I kind of feel like, oh yeah, watched Anthony Davis
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playing now. By the way, Joe lmbid like Italy Overcape down.
Joel mb didn't stop talking. He plays for a good team,
the Sixers. You get that early TV game with the
Sixers last year. Because Lebron is now in the West,
I've seen a ton of Joil and Beat. I've seen
him play a hundred times. How many Anthony Davis games
have I watched in all these years? And he's the
best young player his position in the NBA. He's mostly
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what no big, massive, scary injury history. He's had nagging injuries,
free throws, blocks, defense, pick and roll, does it all.
Can't wait to watch him play. So Charles Barkley was
talking this weekend and last week. It's just kind of
a crazy, crazy story. Russell Westbrook gets traded, obviously to
the Houston Rockets. I don't think it's gonna work, at
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least long term. You can make any relationship work initially.
There's the new fresh car smell of any relationship and
it works. But Charles Barkley was talking about the biggest
issue with Westbrook playing with James Harden. About two or
three years ago, I suggested the Russell Westbrook switched to
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the two position. I think that's the only way this
team can work. But Russell's got to buy into being
the two guard and not trying to be the poor guard.
The ball's gonna be in James hands alive. So if
Russ would dedicate himself to be the shooting guard, I
think this thing got a chance to work in. But
it all depends on if Rough's gonna buy in and
be a two guard. This is exactly right. Charles is right.
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James Harden is going to control the ball because James
Harden's the better player. James Harden ever just thirty five
a game. James Harden an this is his city and
his team, and his franchise and his offense. He's not changing,
nor should he. Kobe and his prime. When Shaq left,
that was Kobe's team. It was up to Paul Gasol
to figure out. And Powell is an All Star. How
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are you gonna play with Kobe? James Harden analytically is
the best player in the NBA, Offensively, annoying to watch,
drives you nuts. He's not changing. This is his franchise,
his offense, his team, and his city. And he ran
Chris Paul in a town. So that's the first thing.
The second thing is Westbrooks game is his game. He's
not a pure shooter. But one of the things I
hear talked about a lot. And I can only speak
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for men. I will not speak for women. I will
just speak for how guy's brains work. If you're the
best in the world at something and you have a
rigid personality, you will not get flexible. This is not
a basketball question. It's a personality question. Let me ask
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everybody watching, anybody in your life, brother, dad, sister, friend, boss,
if I gave them one hundred and fifty million, would
they become less rigid? No, they wouldn't, would they. Again,
I'm speaking for guys, can't speak for women. The whole
they get along, they're best friends. It doesn't matter with
guys because guys' careers, generally speaking, are really important to
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their ego and their vanity. And when we get into
the sweet spot in our careers and you're paying us
a lot of money, we're not making a lot of sacrifices,
even for our best friends. And I don't know if
these guys are best friend but the word is they
want to play with each other. Never forget this. Paul,
George and Westbrook were friends. George bailed on him. Carmelo
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and Chris Paul were friends, Chris Paul didn't like him.
Harden and Chris Paul weren't best friends. But all the
stories I went back yesterday and read them said they
got along, they couldn't stand each other. So the whole
friend's argument to me is fun. I just read a
story this morning about how Houston wants to make it
work from the Houston Chronicle. Coach Mike dun Tony is
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going to stagger his stars, so Harden and Westbrook will
likely share the court for less than half the game.
Oh okay, so your game plan going in is we
hope they don't play together that much. It also says
later in this story, this is all going to require
Hardened to be agreeable to being off the ball more often.
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He is not going to allow his game thirty six
a game to change dramatically. His team, offense, his city
is ego, his check. He's not friends can accommodate other friends.
But the way guys work when they're in the prime
of their professional career, I'll give you a solid, but
don't get in the way of my game, and I'm
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not sacrificing for you. Find me an all star in
his prime one in NBA history that came into a
team as the second best player and force the one
to change his game. Then you'll say, well, Steph and Kadi.
Steph didn't change his game. Steph just shot less. Steph
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didn't play a different position. Steph said, I'll take two
and a half shots less a game. Give Kevin Durant
two of my shots a game. Didn't change his game.
We're asking Westbrook go play another position. Now. Lebron in
his seventeenth year, stacks of money, stacks a ring, legacy
solved none of those. You know, Westbrook doesn't have the
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legacy in the rings. Lebron will probably acquiesce a little
and some point guard stuff this year. But Lebron's always
been an incredible ball handler outside of Magic Johnson, probably
the best ball handler for his size i've ever seen.
You're asking Westbrook to do something he does poorly. Lebron
doesn't do anything poorly. Maybe not a very good defender.
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Now you're asking Westbrook, hey, stack some money off guard.
I just don't. I just don't see it working. I
do think when you acquire D'Angelo, Russell, Russell Westbrook, I
like to have talented players because I think Westbrook will
score a bunch of points and you'll eventually be able
to move him. And I do like the fact that
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they do like each other. I think you're more willing
to put your head down and ignore strife if it
is a buddy. But this is not a basketball question.
It is a personality question. Find rigid people give them
hundred and fifty million dollars. They don't get less rigid,
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even if they're playing with their friends. Oh so I
saw a quote you know how you ever go to like? Um? Uh?
I don't go on Instagram much, although it's real popular.
I'm more of a you know, Twitter guy. It's simpler
for me. It's more new stuff. So I don't I'm
not a big Instagram person. But from what I see
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on Instagram, it is a lot of a little bit
like Facebook, Like my life's perfect, it's awesome. Nobody puts
a frown on Instagram. Nobody puts a bad meal. Uh.
You know, so what that what that's called in psychology
is projecting. You're trying to project a great life. Well,
none of us have a perfect life. Not many of
us have a great life. We all have lives right,
good bad days, cry sad Joey or whatever. We have lives,
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they're pretty balanced. Good. Bad. I lost my cat. Yesterday
wasn't a good day in our house for us. A
lot sad day. Yeah, hope to find her. No, I
haven't found her. You got a bell all over the neighborhood. Yeah,
it's just been a bad weekend for us. We lost
a cat. Uh. So you know, I didn't go to
Instagram and say my life is great. If I'd have
gone to Instagram, I'd have had a picture of the
cat and said, anybody find the cat. It was a
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tough weekend in the house, right, A lot of sadness.
So the point being, I saw a football story where
a team is projecting, and when people tend to project,
they're hiding something. And there's an NFL team either hiding
something or trying too hard to tell me how great
something is. And I'll talk about that coming up. Doug Gottlieb.
Cameron Jordan. I've never had Cameron Jordan on the show before.
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Cameron Jordan's all sorts of personality. It's just all sorts
of personality. Katino Mobili too. Be sure to catch live
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By the way, I'm breaking news later in the show.
We have not told that I'm transfixed with Joey Taylor today.
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She looks so summary. Oh thank you, you look so stunning.
Can I say that? Or is that all right? There?
So summary? Thank you. I'm breaking news later today. I
don't protest. I don't protest stuff. I'm not a picket
designed guy. And I also if I get bad service
at a restaurant, I don't yell and scream at help.
I've been a bus boy before. It's not my fault
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of your meal stings. I'm not I mean, ye ye, yeah,
I don't. I'm not going to rip a business on yelp.
I just don't think it's fair. Have Um. I have
stuff to do today, so I just won't go back
there you go. So I'm gonna break news later on
the show. I made a life changing decision yesterday based
on an experience I had. We're gonna put the breaking
news bar, okay, And I don't know. I just had
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a moment and I'm gonna get to it. And it's
a thing, Well, you know what, it's important to always evolve.
So I evolved right out of this business. Okay, all right.
I will say this, David and Joku is a tight
end for the Cleveland Browns. He's unbelievable. He's probably the
best young tight end in Football's great, great player. But
he was talking about Odell Beckham this weekend and David's
gonna have a great year and a great career. He's
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a he's a like the kid at Kansas City, Travis Kelcey.
He just he's just better. He's just better than all
the young guys out there. And he talked about Odell
Beckham and he said, guys, he's fun phenomenal fit with Cleveland.
It's phenomenal. It's like the fourth guy on that team
that has been quoted to say, oh, now, Beckham's gonna
be a phenomenal fit. It's July. Everybody fits in July.
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The Cleveland organization and the Cleveland players have become a
teenage girl on Instagram. They keep projecting how great it's
going to be. The truth is Cleveland's the easiest team
in the league to figure out this year. There's two
facts about Cleveland. They're the youngest roster in the NFL.
They are super talented they are, and a new head coach,
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they're gonna be like Jacksonville. They're gonna be young and
dynamic and intimidate people and blow some people out. And
then like a young team, they're gonna talk a lot,
and they're gonna play through injuries, and they don't have
an elite coach, and they have a young quarterback who's
prone to mistakes but also very talented. And here's what's
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going to happen to them. They're going to struggle early
because their schedule with a new system is brutal. My
guess is they could lose the home opener with Tennessee
at Jets, Rams at Ravens at Niners, Seahawks at Patriots
at Denver. They're gonna struggle a little bit in the
first two months, let's say four and four. Then they're
gonna get red hot and they may win seven straight games.
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It's a bunch of Buffalo's, Miami's, Cincinnati's, Arizonas Cincinnati again,
they'll split with Pittsburgh. They're gonna get smoke and hot,
and then the playoffs come and young teams do not
win the AFC. They don't. Peyton Manning did Tom Brady did.
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They don't win the AFC and they're gonna crash hard.
And what's interesting about the whole Olddell Beckham situation is
very predictable. Odell Beckham and Baker Mayfield are on different watches.
Baker Mayfield's got fifteen years to play, Odell Beckham's five
years in. He wants to be a global star. He's
already been hurt and receivers have the second shortest NFL careers.
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And he's small, kind of, he's small and at times
a little spindaly, Okay. He wants to win, get numbers
and be a superstar for the next three years. He
didn't buy house in Cleveland. He is there to win
and get big numbers. He wants to be a global superstar.
And unlike all the other young Browns players who play
tight end and will last twelve years quarterback, last fifteen,
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pass rusher last eleven, dude's got about four years left
to hit it. And when this team is three and
five or four and four and he's not getting the
looks and he's getting doubled, is he the calming, soothing
voice that a young locker room needs, Because on his
good days he's dramatic. So I think Cleveland there's a
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lot of projecting here. Oh, Del's great, He's phenomenal, gona
be amazing. Everybody's good. In July, I think Cleveland's incredibly predictable,
a lot of energy, a lot of talent, youngest roster,
implementing a new offense, struggle a little early. Some losses,
you think are wins, like the opener hosting Tennessee. Then
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smoking hot starting somewhere in early November, November three to
November ten, You're gonna reel off about seven wins in
eight weeks, and you're gonna be the talk of the league,
and Odell is gonna be making catches, and then you're
gonna crash hard in the playoffs if you get there,
wildcard team, if you get there, go on the road
like in New England, at Kansas City, at Indianapolis, and
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crash hard. But it's gonna be funny because this whole
Dell Beckham thing, his watch isn't set to the same
time as everybody else's watch. All these young players on
this team, they have ten year careers coming up, and
Joe Kup, Baker Mayfield, Miles Garrett, these guys are gonna
play for ten years. O b J been hurt five
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in no time to waste. You got about four to
make this puppy work. Joy with the news. No turt
on the news. This is the herd line news. So
there's only three players in NBA history with the career
pear that's player efficiency rating above twenty seven. And the
Lakers have two of those three players on their roster
right now, and Lebron and Anthony Davis. So, in an
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interview with CBS sports Is, Jim hill Ad said that
neither he nor Lebron have played with a player this
high caliber before. He said, I think I'm a very
special player. I feel like I can do it all.
Shoot at three, I can shoot the midrange. I take
pride in defense, I talk on defense, and I can lead.
I haven't played with a player like Lebron, and Lebron
hasn't played with a player like me before. That's true. Well,
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I'm not going to take that as a slight at
Dwayne Wade because he is a very different player. But
Magic also thinks that a d is going to elevate
Lebron's game a lot too, because he tweeted, I think
King James will be the league's MVP next season. I
think he'll have it. I don't think that's crazy. I
think he'll have a great ear. I think he's going
to have a great ear. I don't think it's crazy,
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but I I do think it's kind of interesting if
they are going to be in that space that the
Warriors have been in for the past couple of years,
that even though they are having amazing seasons, do they
kind of cannibalize each other in the MVP race. The
last time he was the MVP was in the twenty
twelve two thirteen year with the Keats and they were
sixty six and sixteen, and in seventy six games he
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averaged twenty seven points, eight boards, seven assists in thirty
eight minutes. So pretty decent years. He's been MVP four times.
It just kind of seems like everyone got a little
bit of a fatigue with it in general. But when
you look at the league, though, who does stick out
as as someone who would be the obvious MVP runner?
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Like you usually when we look at the way the
teams are assemboled, we can say, Okay, you know, if
this team has a great year, this guy would be
likely MVP candidate. Well, you know, the NBA MVP has
often almost been a little bit of a Roman I
would say, a sentimental bolt. It's become a little bit yeah,
right right Anthony Davis. Oh, he finally gets to play
with a good player. I think most people will root
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for Anthony Davis to have a great year, like you
got be moved out. So yeah, I'm actually excited. I'd
be the first time I'm a sportscaster, I have not
watched a ton of Anthony Davis beyond All Star games
and NBA TV highlights. Like, no, I think I don't.
I think you're right, Like I think, a lot of
people happen. And that's part of the reason why I'm
a little hesitant about Anthony Davis. Not that he's not
an incredible player, that he's a top ten player in
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the league, but this is all new territory for both
Lebron and Anthony Davis, and you know, the rest of
the team adjusting to it as well. So the question
in everyone's minds is how James Harden and Russell Westbrook
will fit together. Harden obviously needs some help, but maybe
in the form of Westbrook to finally get over the
hump and make it back to the NBA Finals. Well,
one rival executive chimed in and told Bleacher Report the
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problem is they both need the ball in their hands,
so it's the same problem they had before. But to me,
Russ is an upgrade over Chris. You have a triple
double guy who's younger and who can rebound better. The
only difference is Chris shoots the three ball better. Well,
he is in his prime. And Chris's contract, Now, if
Chris was healthy, I wouldn't think Chris's contracts terrible. I
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would just think it's expensive. Westbrook's contract is expensive. I
don't think it's a terrible contract. I don't even think
that the contracts matter so much anymore because they are
putting other pieces around them anyway, so and they have
a lot of X factor pieces there. Anyway, in Houston,
it always felt like Houston was chasing Golden State and
they couldn't just couldn't get past that hump. Now Golden
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State isn't the ones that they're chasing anymore, obviously, because
the entire NBA landscape has changed. But this exact does
make a point. I'm Westbrook is an incredible rebounder. I
know a lot of people think that the whole team
clears out and let's Westbrook rebound. But he does have
that kind of motor to rebound that Chris Paul doesn't.
He is younger, he is in better shape. He he
doesn't have the injury fear, at least not to me
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that Chris Paul has, especially late in the season. The
shooting thing will be interesting, though, but I mean to me,
Westbrook was never a traditional point guard anyway, so this
is justment is in my mind, going to be more
natural than people think. They just have to assign roles
to the rest of the team. The two of them
are aware of what their games are. It's not like
they're completely oblivious to how they play basketball. They know
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they're both high usage, high motor players. So I think
if they're going to play together, they both have. The
problem is with a shot clock, Harden's going to have
the ball a ton and Westbrook's gonna end up having
to be a viewer instead of an initiator, which I
think it's hard. I would think it would work if
Westbrook was a pure shooter. He's got a Derek Rose
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thing where and a John Wall thing. The ball doesn't
come off his hands. Naturally, you kind of your shot
is what your shot is, you know, listen Chris Paul's contract.
I am when the Lakers got mobs Golf off the
books because the Nets took took it for I was
just like, I remember the day I was driving, and
I'm like a good day. Get out of that contract.
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The fact that Sam Presty took the Chris Paul contract.
If I'm Darryl Moorey this morning, I can live with
west All figured the Westbrook figure out. Well. One thing
we learned is no contract is impossible to get out.
Chris Paul's is not easy. It's not impossible, but John
Wall and Chris pauls those are a hard contract. Figured
it out a lot of pieces, and finally Lonzo says
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he is ready for a fresh start in New Orleans.
The news of his trade apparently happened in a car
ride to his brother LaMelo's Drew League game, and Lonzo
told ESPN, I was kind of excited. Honestly, I kind
of figured someone was going to get moved soon enough.
Anytime you can get a guy like Anthony Davis, you're
going to have to do what you have to do
to get him. So I was kind of already just
waiting for it, honestly, and I was happy to go
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with two guys I'm comfortable with and b I and
Jay Hart. I'm excited to see what we can do.
That's a good perspective. He also kind of basically said like,
if this had happened earlier in his career, he might
have been more hurt, because you know, he's from LA
and his whole family is here, and now he understands
the business of the NBA a bit more, so it
didn't bother him as much. I also think it probably
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ease the pain of the trade, knowing that you're going
to play with Zion completely new front office that has
all their stuff together, and there's a renewed excitement about
the team in New Orleans. Actually, you know what, I
honestly feel, I feel like, actually the Pelicans are all
in on Lonzo. I never quite felt like he Isn't
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it weird? I never felt everybody was in. In fact,
somebody who I trust said the Laker front office was
split on Lonzo. A lot of guys wanted dearon Fox,
but they felt Lonzo was you know, Lonzo Ball. Lakers,
Los Angeles a lot of it. Yeah, and it's an
entertainment business, so a lot of that also matters. I
mean it does. He was at UCLA. He has a
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huge brand coming into the NBA already like that. That
stuff puts butts in the seats, and it most certainly did.
So the Lakers got what they needed out of Lonz.
I don't think obviously his injuries kept him from being
at his full potential with them. But yeah, I agree
with you. It never really felt like it was fully embraced.
And I'm excited to see what Lonzo does, especially was zioned. Yeah,
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it's a young team. How old Drew Holiday about twenty
six years old, which Drew about twenty It's mostly a
young team. Derek favors and that old either joy with
the news. Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping
by old Yeah, JJ Reddick and him are the old guys.
Doug Gott lead the Dugger Fox Sports Radio after our
show is joining us on a summer day. What is
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the date today? By the way, I'm gonna do a
breaking news fifteenth. I have breaking news later in the
show for a personal issue. Do you go get coffee?
I do? All right? I heard this thing, and I'm
not gonna actually, I'm not gonna waste your segment on it. No,
you can waste my segment the second part of it. Okay,
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I'll break news next segment. I'm gonna break the news.
And I'm not a protester. I don't yell at help.
I've been a bus boy. I've seen those, but I
made conscious decision and that's changed my life. Let's before
we get to that. That's good tea, good teas. Okay, So,
so I want to throw this theory at a Doug.
You like theories too, Yes, hypothesison within the theories. Theories
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had to be proven. Okay, that's right. Hypotheses. So Zion
Williamson was out of shape and never should have played
in the summer League, Coach k I don't know that
to be true, but I've thought about something, and I've
talked about this on the show before. We don't ask
teenagers to walk into the NFL and star. We don't
ask hockey players go to juniors and the miners. Even
baseball players, good ones generally Bryce Harper an exception, go
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four years to the miners. Their bodies are bigger, they're
emotionally ready to go, you have a young son. The gap,
the difference in your son now and two years later
as they grow is substantial. We ask teenagers to go
from thirty six college games to eighty two. Play defense,
by the way, carry the team. I Zion came into
the league, I had an executive tell me he goes,
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I'd play him twenty six minute tonight and I'd play
him sixty four games with that body. Let that body grow,
we ask these kids. So a story came out this
weekend where in your reas among young NBA players are
going through the roof more than any sport, up one
hundred twenty five percent. Is it crazy to think that
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we are simply the upside of being eighteen and enrich
in the NBA. It's it's a star driven league. We
are asking way too much of teenagers. Yes, yes, it's it's.
In addition to the part that wasn't discussed, Baxter Homes,
I believe author that article. Is it an outstanding article?
To go Baxter Um there there was funny. Kobe Bryant
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kind of echoed that sentiment. On the other hand, I
think his daughter's AU team actually practices five days a week,
and he's like I'm playing too much basketball. But his
daughter's team is one of the best in the country,
practices five days a week. But um, look, there's there's
a there's an emotional arrested development that I think guys
are missing. I think there's a in terms of their
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skill set, there's there's an arrested development where look at
Dwight Howard. He never truly dominated at the colleague, never
got to play in college, so he didn't dominate that
level in the low post. He never really had a
low post game. Granted, we don't want low post skills now,
but there were some finer things about his game. Even
Lebron James, as magnificent as he's been, he doesn't know
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how to play without the basketball, like the old idea
of him being a point guard. It's like, look, end
of the day, he has the ball in his hands,
and since he got into league, which is great, but
you look at how the Warriors have been able to
play with the fewest number of ball screens the most
ball movement. So I do think there's some other social
skills they're developed. I think there's some basketball skills, but
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this is the part that everyone's missing. You're asking just
too much, Right, you're asking too much? And is there
the one body Lebron James is the outlier. His body
has not broken down until last year, but everybody else's
has because in addition to the fact that you're playing
against men, you're playing more games, you're having more travel,
your body still changing. Like, I don't know how you
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were at nineteen years old, My god, I was I
stayed back. I was held back in eighth grade for sports.
I was tiny, and I grew like nine and a
half inches in one year. Right, So I graduated high
school one fifty five or so, I get to Notre
Dame at one sixty. I played my first game three
months later, one seventy seven. So just the idea that
your your your body's not joined. This is how it
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works for guys on seven inches my junior year of
high school. Right, And so you're you're gonna ask You're
gonna ask guys who are still developing and evolving to play,
and we're judging you based upon how you play immediately
when you're eighteen nineteen years old. Absolutely, I like, Look,
college has a lot of values that so many people
can see because all they see is the dollar signs
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of the NBA, and I would I would guess that
there are plenty of players that if you went back
and tracked the second third, four year college player, they
probably break down less than guys that come straight out
of high school or or or the one in Dunns
down Well. I heard this from somebody inside the Lakers.
Josh Hart and Kyle Kuzmo walk into the league, and
they said, not only were they physically they've been in
weight rooms, they were better leaders. Yes, because they were men.
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There were twenty three. It's a big difference asking an
eighteen year old to walk into an NBA locker room
go tell the veteran play. But when he's twenty two,
you feel like, okay, I was at college captain for
three years. It's different. Here's something interesting. Obviously we were
all being critical at some level of Sam Presty and
the fact that he's traded away or lost all of
these stars. What people so quickly forget is that when
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they traded James Harden one, it was because James Harden
kept going out to strip clubs. During the NBA Finals,
he performed terribly, and they said, like, look, dude, that
in the offseason we got the NBA finals and he
was awful, remember, and then Rob Polinka was his agent.
He was asking for a ton of money and they
had to choose between Sergebaka or James Harden if they
didn't want to go over the over the tax. And
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the reason they chose Sergebaca wasn't they thought Sergebaca was
a better player. But back then, Hey, you go back
seven years ago and you had to have two big
guys because the Lakers had Andrew bind him and because
the Spurs had were playing with two big guys back
then as well. Andrew Bidam's a perfect example. Socially, emotionally,
was not ready for the NBA and his body broke
down consistently. And you know he's been out of the
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league for five years or so. Now, I mean it does,
in fact happen. The thing was Zion that I was
told by people the summer league. One, his body is
going to either be the limiting factor or the reason
that he succeeds. And then two, I think people have
come around to people are now looking at him going like, man,
he's a lot smaller than I thought. He's six five
and three quarters in bare feet. Yeah. Hey, so remember
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I think he has a chance to be a tremendous
small ball five. Yeah, but small ball fives you're guarding
Anthony Davis when they go small. There are some limitations
to his size, and he he better buy a body guy.
He better buy a guy who million dollars a year,
whatever it costs, fall him around, keep me in shape,
have a chef, because he has to lose weight. Otherwise
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he runs the risk of those premature injuries. By the way,
Andrea Agassy long story, I don't want to bore you with.
Andrea Agassy was best friends with a person who owned
the TV station I first worked out, So andre Agassi
used to come into my office. Hey, Dodgers win last
night before the internet, right, it was on the ap wire.
Andre Agassi was legendary taco bell and all of a
sudden he hit like twenty nine, and Andrey is like, oh,
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I can't eat like that anymore. Yeah. Like, like young
athletes burned through so many calories. They tend to be
bad eaters because they can get away with it. Zion's
one of those guys. Has to come into this league
and get that thing worked on fast. To your point,
spend some money, don't go anywhere. I may break news.
We have more stuff to talk about. It's Doug Gottlieb,
It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd week days and noon Easter nine am Pacific.
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Welcome back. Everybody's laughing. I only have one rule in
my marriage. No check bags. It was like, one of
my proudest moments was my wife flew across country and
back and she did not check bags. And I was like,
this is well, I love that away luggage. It's perfect
for night. I've heard you read the ads and it's
got it's I mean, I'm really traveling today for me
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away luggage. I don't like checking bags either. I don't
do it because I feel bad. It's not like it's
not the person's faults in the room that the baggage
the luggage was lost, but they just have to deal
with everyone being out. That's the worst room in America
is the room off of baggage claim where you know
every different airline has that room lost luggage lost luggage
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room awful, right, and they have all these they have
these like they have these basic numbers by different types
of bag come in idef. I imagine being that person
where no one comes in and goes like, hey man,
how you doing great job? They got my bags. They
only come in and and they they take all the
heat and they had nothing to do. But they never
checked their bags. They don't know you. They've never mentioned
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nice to those people. And I'm very nice to people
at the DMV because I know that that's what they
do the same way. So I'll tell you I'm not
going to get into my protest. I'll do that later
on it in time. I have a huge life altering
protest later in the show. I'll do it at the
top and next hour. I just want to point out
that when you talk about that protest, I'm calling bs
because I believe that it's a lot like people who
complain about airlines. Let's say, never flying that airline again,
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and then they got a book a trip and they
get online they're like, wait, it's twenty dollars cheaper to
fly that one. I'll never bad mouth airlines. They get
ripped by the media on the Internet, and I hate it.
It makes us look so out of touch and unrelatable.
Everybody in America has gotten delayed. Media. People stop whining
about your death. I've flown Delta for forty years. I
love Delta. I've had one bad flight because the world
came crashing down. It was a blizzard, and it's the
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only time I had a bad flight. Utter thanat Delta
has been amazing and it wasn't their fault. It was
God or whoever controls the weather, NASA or whatever weather channel.
All right, Doug Gottlieb's here, Listen. The Westbrook thing. It's
it's a basketball thing. Westbrook is not an off ball shooter.
Harden's unbelievable with the ball. I don't think he's going
to relinquish it. If I was James Harden, I wouldn't
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relinquish it for a reason. You and I both do
solo shows because we wouldn't relinquish the mic enough. That's
why we do good locals. We do good solo shows.
We probably wouldn't work great outside of segments. I don't
think it's gonna work. What do you make of Westbrook
the player today? Well, it's it's a very interesting point
because earlier in their career it did work right when
he when they were together on the thunder in the
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fourth quarter, As Charles Barkley said, should happen. James Harden
was the point guard and Russell Westbrook was the off guard.
And Russell Westbrook's a very good cutter. He's obviously crazy athletic,
and he didn't he doesn't, he doesn't. It's it's weird.
You look at assist totals and people are like, whoa,
he's a great pastor, Like no, not really. He doesn't
create shots for other people nearly as well as he could.
He's not a bad passer, but you move him off
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the basketball and he has a chance to be fantastic.
But that was how many years ago, you know how
many MVP awards for both of them, and they've they've
grown and evolved into different people. It would be like
if we did a you know, a two person show
seven or eight years ago, we were both coming into
our career, we would have been much more willing to
do it. Yes, but now we're really difficult. Yes, and
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now we go on rants about coffee and how ow
expensive coffee is? Right, so I it's not gonna work. Well, Look,
Russell Westbrook is what's not discussed enough. It's not just
that he's a high volume shooter and high volume misser,
like you're talking below thirty percent from three. As as
much as you might not love the Lakers roster, they
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don't have a player on their roster that shot outside
of Javeld and shoot threes below thirty percent from three. Yeah,
like that's and you have a team that collectively takes
a ton of threes, right, takes the most three threes
are done. So you put a guy who's on a
team that shoots a ton of threes and that's not
a good shooter, and you're gonna tell him to shoot less,
but you know what, And then, by the way, he
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doesn't play defense anymore. And he's also not a good
finisher at the rim. He's crazy athletic, but he's not
a great finisher. If you look at the analytics, he
doesn't finish well. And he's had three knee surgeries. And
as much as you guys are right, the Chris Paul
contracts bad. It's one year shorter than the Russell Westbrook contract.
The last year that contract is forty seven million dollars. Okay,
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forty seven million dollars. He's thirty four years old, he's
making forty seven million dollars. Good luck, good luck with
this deal. I think it probably had to be done.
That's where I think. Listen, not all deals are. There
are people called owners in the NFL, and some owners
I've had story. I've had coaches tell me stories about owners.
You can't believe. I would tell you the story and
you're like, that didn't happen. Owners are crazy owners. Own
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is the expression. Right. And then and by the way,
the Furtida family, they're watching the West get improved and
all of a sudden they're like, uh, we were the
talk of the league merchandise sales. Don't kid yourself. I
don't know if this is Furtida as much as Chris
Paul and James Harden clearly needed to be broken up
from each other. I think that's they weren't getting along.
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They didn't see. But think about Russell Westbrook. You're gonna
put a guy who's a high volume misser going on
a team that shoots the highest volume of threes. No. Yeah,
by the way, you got a lame duck head coach
that doesn't coach defense and lost Jeff and Jeff Bezdelic
his defense according here, got fired this year, right, Like,
how do you think that's gonna work? It's going to
I think they're in the short term better because he's
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more athletic. Yeah, he's got a little bit more in
the tank than Chris Paul. But long term, that's not
an NBA championship. But by the way, I'll just throw
this out there so we can put it on tape.
It's up to me, and I ran the team. I
like Mike D'Antoni. I'd remove him. Put in Tylu Why
Tie is confrontational? Tie as a former player, Tie gets
after guys. Tye Lou to me, would be the coach
I would hire. I think you have. Mike d'antoni's a
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wonderful guy, works with certain young players. Not confrontational, acknowledges
on tape, D'Antoni acknowledges I'm not really confrontational. You gotta
need a little confrontation about forty five games into this
thing to sit down with the fellows and say, listen,
this is the way it's got to work. So I
don't think it'll work. I only got a minute left.
It is interesting Houston, though, right, how many times they've
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tried to rework this thing? I know, right, like, and
I almost feel bad And it doesn't matter ownership or whatever,
like they had Tracy, they had Yao Ming, and let's
add Tracy mcgrading. Then y'all kept getting hurt. And then
then they find they make this move and they get
James Harden. And they've tried Dwight Howard that didn't work,
Jeremy Lynn once upon a time was supposed to be
his point guard. That didn't work. Then the Chris Paul
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trade that didn't work. And now it's it's not for
lack of trying, No, they try really hard. Yeah, and
James Harden's a great player. So when you get one
of these great players, you're like, Okay, we get like
five years left of great James Harden four three. Now
we're probably in the four to five. But you do
I think there's a clock on James Harden. And they're saying,
we've got the best analytics score in the history of
the league. We gotta figure this out here, he's got
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four prime years left. But then you go anti analytics
with I know it doesn't. That's the reason that's most people,
like the analytic people are all over the internet going
I don't understand it. Again, I think it like you say,
it was a personality conflict that led to a divorce.
But because the length of the contract and Russell Westbrook's
success with the averaging a triple double and the ego
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of having the basketball, you married the rebound chick. That's
what you end up doing, and you married her for
four years. All right, Colin right, Colin wrong? Next Hour,
Doug Gottlie My major life altering, breaking news changed, Next
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we go our two on a Monday. This is the Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening iHeartRadio,
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will have breaking news. I've made a personal life choice
that needs to be discussed at some length. It's I'm
very excited for this that day. You're very excited. Yeah,
(41:33):
I think I think a lot of people will relate
to it, all right, Because I'm not a I'm not
a I never treat people bad at restaurants. I don't.
I don't protest, I don't, I don't do Yelp reviews.
I'm not gonna hurt restaurant employees, not even like with
a burner account, not even like the hiding. But I
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made a decision yesterday, and I may be wrong. And
if I'm wrong, let's do one of those stupid polls
other shows do every day. We do, like twice a year.
I'm gonna have a poll. I'll tell you in ten minutes,
and the audience can react to my madness. All right,
that's Joy Taylor's voice you're hearing, all right. Every Monday.
There a lot of shows have opinions, and we do too,
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And I think we need to be I do need
to be held accountable when I whiff on stuff, and
so we call it Colin right, Colin wrong. Here we
go on Monday where Colin was right. I've been saying
for twenty years, if you listen to this show that
the NBA is not necessarily controlled by players, It's controlled
by shoe companies and agents. And Lebron and Anthony Davis
we're gonna swap numbers. And then Lebron was told you
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can't do that by who? Nike? So the commissioner, Adam
Silver walks on eggshells around Lebraun. Nike doesn't they said, Lebron.
You're not swapping that number. We lose tens of millions
of dollars. You're not doing that. Even after they'd announced it.
I've been saying this. Everybody says basketball players play on
the Olympics because of patriotism. That's certainly part of it.
You know who else tells them to play in the Olympics.
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Shoe companies. You know who tells them to go visit
China in the offseason? Shoe companies. I'm paying the thirty
million dollars a year to wear my shoes minimum. You're
gonna play here, you're gonna go there, and you're not
swapping numbers. Shoe companies and agents have massive control. It's
not a bad thing, by the way, it's just listen,
it's the culture of basketball. I'm not complaining. But here
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it was on display again this week and the numbers
swap got turned down by Nike. Where Colin was Raw.
I don't know Raw Polenka, but I've banged on him
a lot. I gotta be honest. It's it's very easy
for me to sit up here and bring out the
anvil on the Lakers in the last year because they've
been dysfunctional. But I will say this, you can't blame
raw Polenka because they didn't land Kawhi Leonard. They actually
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did a pretty good job. They got a bunch of
guys who can shoot. Might complaint for the last year
is if you have Lebron James, surround him with shooters.
He's really good with shooters. Danny Green, they got Quinn Cook,
they got Avery Bradley, they got they threw in Boogie Cousins.
Don't love the Rondo signing, just gonna say that right
out front. But all told, the Lakers are interesting, they're talented,
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and they did the bench. It's pretty good. It's not
a terrible bench. It's a little older, but Kuzma's young,
Quinn Cook is young. Avery Bradley still got some, you know,
some legs left. All told, Vegas agrees Lakers roster. I
don't think it's as chemistry wise. The fit the Clippers is.
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Rob Polinka deserved some credit here. He found cap space.
We didn't think he would do that. He found shooters
and tip of the cap where Colin was right. Well,
Westbrooks reigns over in Oklahoma City. I didn't think he'd
end his career there. I've always felt, more than most people,
a lot of empty numbers and stats and a very
rigid playing style. But in the end, more than anything,
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I think what last week signified is once again Paul George,
another star player, says publicly they love him, but he
was conspiring to leave. Maybe that's Oklahoma City in Los Angeles,
but it sounded like all the stories I read, it
was Paul George tired of playing with him and wanting
to play with Kawhi Leonard, who, by the way, Kawhi
Leonard's great. Westbrook is kind of a little bit like
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Carmelo Anthony good numbers. Hall of Famer first ballot. Don't
think he's a bad guy at all. By the way,
I know people that know Melo, they like him. I
know people that know Westbrook they like him. But there
is a rigid style. I think he's difficult to play with,
and the evidence proves that a lot of his numbers
are kind of empty. Triple double sounds great, but it
can at times be a very empty stat where Colin
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was raw. Listen, like the rest of you, I thought
Kawhi Leonard was a little off, a little odd, too quiet.
It ends up he's calculated and cunning, hadn't manipulated in
the NBA. I saw a story this weekend. I think
Ramona Shelburne give her credit that basically he was waiting
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to announce the Clipper move, forcing the Lakers to sit
around for thirty six forty eight hours so they couldn't
fill out their roster because he didn't want to play
in the same arena with a better roster. He's a
very sharp guy, easy, quirky. Is he quiet? You know,
I shouldn't even use the word quirky. Mike is Mike
Trout quirky or just quiet? It's brooks kept Christian pulisic.
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You know what, Most people aren't super super verbal and outspoken,
So it figures that many of our star athletes Tim
Duncan didn't talk a lot, aren't outspoken. All told, he
was the puppet master, a very calculated, cunning puppet master
for the NBA duo trend. I think it's I'm not
sure if it'll I don't know if people want to
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watch Denver in the Western Conference finals or Utah I do,
but all told, I think I underestimated the calculated nature
of Kawai's personality, where Colin was right. A dynasty's equal ratings.
They just do ratings equal interest. Wimbledon's final yesterday for
the men was up one hundred and ninety percent. Why
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because it gave us a dynasty, the Federer dynasty. By
the way, Serena gets massive numbers, She's a personal dynasty.
Fetter's a dynasty, Djokovic is a dynasty. Nadal's a dynasty.
Last year, a Wimbledon final number wasn't nearly as big
because you didn't have two dynasties. You keep telling me
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you like parody because parody feels everybody's got a chance.
But remember, dynasties we connect to. We love them, or
we hate them, we fear them, or we jump on
the bandwagon. So we've got this natural, visceral connection to
these superstars. By the way, if Federer has been around,
I don't even know. I think he won his first
major in two thousand and three. It was a remarkable match.
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I thought Federer hadn't hate using choke. I thought he
kind of gagged a little. But in the end the
Wimbledon final, this is what sports is at its best.
Legends icons, you root for one. Everybody in the stadium
appeared to be rooting for Federer, but you were pulling
foreign against somebody, and they'll always be the ratings champs
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where Colin was raw man. I apologize for Chris Paul
for a long time. I blamed all the rest of
the Clippers when he demanded, you know, trades out of
LA and I blamed everybody but Chris Paul. But in
the end, nobody in the world, myself included as a
victim of their own reputation. What people say is, you know, generally,
what the consensus says is true, and the consensus is
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now saying Chris is difficult. And listen, Chris had to
understand when he went into Houston, it's James Hardens city.
It's is often, it's his team, it's his coach. You
were a visitor my first year when I worked at Fox,
I was a visitor. I may have been an employee,
but I was surrounded by people who had been there fifteen, eighteen,
twenty years. You act accordingly. Chris walked in and kind
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of wanted an He wanted the scales of basketball justice
to be even. And this is Harden's franchise, and you've
got to acquiesce and frankly right now, Harden's a much
better basketball player. Chris could have made this work. This
is not unhardened. Chris could have made this work. When
you're the second best player of two, it's your job
to make it work. He didn't, And I have been
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given Chris paul a pass for years where Colin was right.
Steph Curry came out last week to once again compliment
Kevin Durant. By the way, Kevin Durant hasn't said anything
nice about Steph Curry. Curry has gone out several times
to say nice things about Durant. This goes to my
belief on Steph Curry that he is the most and
it's hard to even embrace this because it sounds crazy.
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He's the most underappreciated superstar of my life. Everybody loved Michael,
everybody understood Bird, Everybody like Magic, everybody gets Lebron, everybody
gets all these stars. Steph Curry is nearly unequal footing,
and nobody wants to give him credit. Players don't love him.
Does everybody understand this Warrior dynasty? They won without Kevin Durant.
They recruited Durant because of Curry, and we're thirty eight
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and five when Kevin Durant didn't play and Curry did.
That's nothing against Kevin Durant. I think he's a very talented,
at times flake player. But Steph Curry, watching him act
as Kevin Durant leaves, embodies everything I've always believed about
Steph Curry. He is the soul of the last great
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basketball dynasty. I don't know if we'll ever have a
team that dominant. We may, we may not, but he
was the soul of it where Colin was raw. You know,
I do say wide receivers are icing quarterbacks and offensive
lines with a cake, but DeAndre Hopkins, receiver for the Texans,
is the only offensive player The Madden Game gave a
ninety nine rating two and they're generally pretty accurate. They
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gave Khalil mackwe Aaron Donald one, Bobby Wagner one, and
DeAndre Hopkins one. No Zeke, no Aaron Rodgers, no Russell Wilson,
no Patrick Mahomes. I gotta give Madden credit. He's the
only guy that got a ninety nine. And they don't
hand those puppies out much, and generally who they rate
they rate the good guys. He is a phenomenal talent.
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He is a phenomenal talent. He's not as flashy as
o BJ. He hadn't been around doing it as long
as Julio Jones. He's not as talked about as Antonio Brown.
He is a filthy talent. Ninety nine from the Madden
Gig where Colin was right. Dak Prescott said last week
for somebody to say you can only take so much
because of the salary cap, with gambling, everything going into
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the league, everybody's gonna keep going up. I'm not taking
a pay cut. I've said this about Dak. If should
he take twenty seven, you can make that argument. Willie
absolutely not. Dak Prescott kept the Dallas Cowboys the last
three years on television Thursday Night Football, Monday Night Football,
Thursday Early Fox Game of the Week. He kept every
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single network they were on. They were the highest rated.
They weren't when Tony Romo got hurt. Don't kid yourself.
The Lakers moved off TV before Lebron got the town.
Just because you're a big brand, they're not gonna put
John When before Jim Harbaugh was at Michigan, the Brady Hokiers,
Michigan was not on TV as much. By the way,
Alabama wasn't on TV nearly as much ten years ago
pre Sabing. Dak Prescott made the Cowboys viable on TV
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for three year stretch. He is not taking a dime
less And regardless of what I think, I don't love
my quarterback's making thirty three large. I think part of
the Patriots strength, honestly is Brady's the fifteen highest paid quarterback.
That allows him to get two or three more players.
But Brady didn't save the franchise. He took him to
a cool place. Dak saved it. They were they didn't
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have a quarterback. They were you watched that year Romo
got hurt pre Dak. They were absolutely not television quality.
So and DA's not taking a pay cut made it
very clear last week. All Right, Okay, I think i'll
break my news. In about five I'll take a break
and i'll break my news. I'm not gonna spend a
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lot of time on it because I just don't think
that's appropriate because I'm a sports host and I think
I need to stay in the fairway out in the weeds.
But I will spend a couple of minutes well every
once in a while, you know, get stuck out there.
It's okay, do we have a big font for my
breaking news? Because I think this qualifies a big font
breaking news. The personal choice, all right, and you guys
can react to it how you want to react to it.
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I don't care if you agree or not. You can
rip me if you want. I don't have Okay, Ryan
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people paid for the car you want, new or used. Truecar.
So just give me like three minutes on next. So
this weekend, my daughter's in town and my college kid,
and then she comes back and she's over hanging at
the house and we go buy a coffee. Let's go
have a talk. She wants to just talk and hang out.
The weather in Manhattan Beach was nice and overcast, perfect
day to hang out. So I go to my coffee
shop and I'm not gonna name the coffee shop because
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I don't want to rip a business because that's not
my thing. And I'm not telling you what to do.
I'm telling you what I'm doing, and you can call
me on it if you want. So I go to
this coffee shop, it's the one I go to in
my little town, right, and I order a small iced
coffee that's just coffee and like cream and sugar. And
then I order just a black coffee, small black coffee, okay,
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seven fifty six. And I've been I've been doing coffee
my whole life. I grew up in Seattle. You drink
coffee Starbucks, right, and I just froze. I was like,
it's almost eight dollars, and the cups like this pick
and then we went outside and my daughter's done with
hers forty five seconds. You know, it tastes delicious, and
I'm not with mine in ten minutes. And I'm thinking
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myself eight times seven forty five. I'm spending four hundred
dollars a year. My wife gets a large coffee at
least once a day, my stepdaughter, and I'm like, I'm
spending four hundred and fifty dollars five hundred dollars a month.
I can make this stuff at home. And I said,
that's it. I'm done. I'm never buying coffee at a
coffee shop again. And then I started doing it in
(55:00):
my head. I'm gonna spend thirty thousand dollars if I
live a normal life drinking coffee. I can make it home.
That's a new car. What am I doing with my life?
I'm no, you can hold me accountable. I'm never going
to a coffee shop again. It's outrageous. Eight dollars for
two small coffees. They are robbing us like we don't
care because it's a routine. And so when you get
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into a routine, you just blindly put your card down.
And it just hit me maybe the way she said
at the angle, that noise, the echo, there's eight dollars,
and I'm just like, hell am I doing with my
life here? I can't. I'm done. Okay, Well, so this
is a breaking news, this is breaking new breakin. I'm
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not done. I'll drink coffee. I'm making my own coffee.
That was that was an appropriate sounders, it's massive, Well one,
I think you're you sound a little bit like get
off my lawn guy, so that could be part of it, right, um,
and we know what those those people attend to be
in the Twilight Year, so you may be careful, all right,
because I don't think it's you're that you're in that
space yet, but I will say that it's very smart.
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It's very frugal of you. You want to make your
own coffee. But where's it ends? Like? So are you
gonna not have coffee and restaurants? That's different because you're
already there spending money. Well, I'm spending money anyway, and
it's two dollars and I don't feel like they gouge you.
I look at the check. They don't gouge you, and
they really don't have a price coffee and right, okay,
but what if you're traveling. I'm allowing myself at major
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international airport to have coffee, to have a small coffee.
That's the only exception. Okay, Now what about cafes, Like
if you you know, you guys are having a nice
walk and you're like, oh, let's have you know, a
croissant and a coffee, dope, they hold you so you'll
get just a water and a croissant. You just won't
get the coffee. Just say, honey, you go and get
your little thing. I'm just gonna keep walking on that.
At a principle, you're not going to do it. I'm
not doing it those places. Does the rest of your
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family have to stop buying coffee or just you? Yeah,
that's a good question. I have to. That'll be a
confrontation later this afternoon because coffee drinkers are very territorial
about this. I'll get a headache if I don't drink coffee.
I'll get a headache. I'm drink coffee every morning, but
I also don't pay for it. Where where do you go?
I'm it's right here. They bring it for us. Yes,
(57:13):
all right. How long do you think this lasts rush
in my life? No, I definitely there's no chance that happens.
But I believe America, if you see me in a
coffee shop, hold me accountable. I'm serious. Okay, But well,
this is who I asked the perfect question. What if
your daughter wants coffee, so she can get the coffee,
but you're just out of principle not going to buy
the coffee because you're not going to tell your daughter
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she can't have coffee. I'm gonna sit her down and
talk about finances and let her know going forward, this
is a an egregious financial decision that could create an
ability to commerce. When you break it down, the amount
of money that you would save is going to be staggering,
would incredible. It's very expensive for two regular coffees. What
might be more alarming is you just learned that they
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overcharge you for coffee. Yeah. I was kind of blinded
by it for like my life. It's a little late
for me to get so freaked out because I've been
doing it for twenty five years, but it just hit
me wrong. I'm not a huge coffee snob, like I
get the same coffee every day, right, so am I.
But if it wasn't from the company that we get
it from, I would just get a regular coffee with
cream and sugar. It doesn't bother me. It's just it's
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more for the caffeine than the taste. And I washed
everybody's life on that. But I know, I think actually
a lot of people would have an opinion about that
because it's unbelievable what it costs now and I think
we've gotten into this thing where we just put our
card down because it's part of our life. We all
need to step Yeah, we have become coffee zombies. Complete.
We're not even we're not even being smart about this.
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You break loose, Colin, fight back against the man. I
am I'll I'm gonna hashtag this thing pretty soon. Joy
with the news, No turns. This is the herd line news. Massive.
So now that the Lakers have Anthony Davis, they know
they have a season long job to convince him to
stay during free agency. So we are just now coming
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down in the free agency above buzz. We get to
go through all this again next year. Although I think
we kind of all feel like Anthony Davis is probably
going to stay with the Lakers. GM. Rob Blinka started
quite early checking in with Adi and Lebron for confirmation
on free agent signings. Adie, what do you think about him?
All right? Cool? Right back, this is what going on
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with him? All right? Cool? All right. I had to
tell him, like Rob, I'm in the movies, you know,
like you're like, all right, we'll go so you get
out of late. But you know, that's what we're trying
to put the best team around us, you know, And
I think he did a great job of doing it.
By the way, he came off really good in his pressure.
I thought Anthony came off really good. He was chill,
he was smart, he was thoughtful. It's very very we
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talked about it before. It's very hard to be your team,
your city's superstar, and leave like it's hard. I saw
Mellow do it, Dolight Howard do it, Shack do it,
Lebron do it twice. People don't like it, especially when
you're the drafted star. Fans feel like, oh, he's ours,
like he's our guy. I do think that, But also
I think Davis is kind of in a unique space where,
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you know, he we've already seen this with Lebron, you know,
moving and going to Miami, so that initial anger and
outrage over a hometown hero leaving is not as exaggerated anymore.
And also, nobody felt like he was going to ever
be able to reach his full potential with New Orleans,
and certainly not with the setup that they had there.
Now now people may have felt differently, but that's now,
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so he's not going to get the backlash ever that
Lebron or Mellow or you know, those guys that have
gotten from leaving. That said, I do think this is
interesting and Rob Lincoln does deserve some credit because it
was looking like a complete disaster there for a little while.
That he is at the very least communicating with Lebron
an ad which is super important. So the Wizards have
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some questions surrounding the future of their franchise. Longtime presidents
Ernie Grunfeld was fired at the end of the regular season,
and then obviously they offered Massaiaujeri a ridiculous, audacious offer,
and Tim Connolly also turned on an offer from the
owner of this Summers. The biggest question is Bradley Beale's future,
though so according to Kendis Buckner of the Washington Post,
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around the league, the extension is not viewed as a
done deal. There's a growing belief that Bill will not
remain in Washington for his entire career. Quotes, he's out
of here. One well placed person within the NBA predictive.
You know, I love Bradley Beale. You do love Bradley Beale. Law.
I think he is the best player in the league
that nobody acknowledges as a great player. We all admit
(01:01:28):
these guys are great. When we mentioned great players, we
never bring up Bradley Beale. He's averaged he just average
twenty five a game. Yeah, he's just now joy he's
just now coming into his prime. Yes, the average of
a career highs twenty five point six points on forty
seven point five percent from the field this season. It's incredible.
And by the way, with John Hurd, he faces the
(01:01:50):
best defender. This is a great player. He takes care
of himself, he shoots, he's got a great personality. People
like him. This is what I feel really bad for
pro athletes. This is when I feel bad for pro athletes.
You get drafted to a team and then you stay
to the second contract because you can make your generational money.
I would do it, anybody would do it. And then
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your co star get hurt. So now John Wall's not
who you want to play with, and you want you
don't want to be a bad guy. But now money
is not the most important thing because nobody talks about you,
and you know you can play with everybody. That's why
Damian Lillard everybody's like, oh, Damien can play. Damien's been
great for like six years. We're now just seeing him. Yeah.
R also, but Damien's also he's in a great position
(01:02:33):
within that organization, and it's well run, well coached, and
he has pieces around him, and they are constantly trying
to add more pieces around him so badly. Biel still
has two years left on his current contracts, and by
July twenty six, the Wizards can offer him a three year,
one hundred and eleven million dollar contract extensions. Who remain
with the team. I think we all are kind of
in the same vote, except for Wizards fans obviously that
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we'd like to see him play in a more functional situation.
That's a good word, it's more functional. That's when I
feel bad for athletes when they get drafted into dysfunction. Yeah. So,
speaking of all that general generational money, finally, the initial
idea of the Supermax was to help teams keith their
superstars by enticing him to make more money by staying. Obviously,
(01:03:15):
it worked out well for Steff Curry and James Harden.
And then there's the case of Anthony Davis, who said
no thanks to a Supermax. So why give out that
much money? Well, Shack recently spoke to Yahoo Finance and
said O'Neill said he's made more money through his investments
than playing basketball. I heard Jeff Bezos say one time
that he makes his investments based on if it's going
to change people's lives. Once I started doing that strategy,
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I think I probably quadrupled what I'm worth. Shack was
an early investor in Google and also has money in Apple,
twenty four Hour Fitness, and a couple of Las Vegas nightclubs,
among others. He earned nearly three hundred million dollars during
his nineteen year basketball career, but he now makes more
each year than the thirty millions dollars salary that he
played when he was active in the NBA. Well, I
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think could do that then. I think players make more now,
I think between shoes and flames. But I also think
like this speaks to the changing environment around all professional sports.
I think, you know, obviously there was the thirty for
thirty broke, and we've heard so many stories about, you know,
the tragedy around athletes. They have made hundreds of millions
(01:04:19):
dollars and loss it. I think the entire environment has changed,
especially because of guys like Shack, because of guys like
Magic and Lebron, and you see that you can have
businesses outside of sports, and you can invest and create
a line of revenue for yourself that doesn't isn't just
attached to sports. I mean the amazing thing about baseball
(01:04:41):
players make a lot of money, they make none in endorsements.
I mean, that's that's I mean, it's you would think
America's pasttime for my entire childhood was baseball. NBA guys
are on video games, they're on Well, that's what comes
with elevating your stars and letting people know the stories
and the personality. I mean, you see baseball players faces.
It's not that you can't. They're not recognizable, but you
(01:05:03):
do need to know the story. You need to know
the personality and have it baseball players themselves some Yeah,
but it's also the environment around baseball. It's not it's
not that kind of no, No, it's not. They don't
want you promoting your home runs forget your face in
your games. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the herd lot. You know,
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I saw something this weekend. Adam Silver was very happy
after this weekend, and many of the owners were. Steph
Curry was talking about load management and he was joking
about it this weekend. He's like, I want to play games.
Anthony Davis came out, uh and uh. Here here's a
bite from Anthony Davis talked about taking time off this year.
(01:05:46):
I was wondering with the way the league is heading.
Teams and medical staffs and players are very concerned about
their health and load management has kind of become this
thing is when what do you think as a young
star about load management? How do you think it will
apply to you? I'm playing twenty six years old. I
love a game of basketball. I'm ready to play. You
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have no idea. Privately, there's been a lot of hand ringing.
I've been told over the last nine months to a
year in the NBA about this load management thing. Listen,
I love going to NBA games. Tickets are expensive, family
of four can running eight hundred dollars parking, blah blah blah.
Lebron as he is age kind of kick started the
load management and then Kawai took the baton and took
(01:06:27):
it to twenty two games. Let me tell you something.
Owners don't like this, and the commissioner doesn't like it,
and he's trapped. The commissioner came out a couple of
weeks ago and said, you know what, we should play
fifty six games. They're not going to reduce it to
fifty six games. That is sixty six. That's like twenty
five fewer games. You're gonna tell me every owner is
gonna give you twelve home games. That's not gonna happen.
(01:06:50):
That's not gonna happen. And now you've got all these
duo teams in the league. People want stars cycling through
their arenas the owners slash governor of the league. And
so this is one of these situations where Steph came
out and said I'm gonna play, and Ad came out
and said, I'm gonna play. Lebron James as he's gotten older.
By the way, Lebron used to play every game. Lebron
James as he is aged, took a few days off
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and called it load management. But in the end, it's
bad for business and it's bad optics. Football players play hurt,
Hockey players play hurt. Soccer players generally, by the way,
baseball players generally want to play pitchers. Sometimes you go
to the ir but baseball players numbers are often based
on totals, so they don't want to give up games.
Mike Trout got hurt yesterday. He wants to finish the game.
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They want to get their totals, their RBI, their home run,
the runs bad at and all that stuff. So this
doesn't seem like a big deal. By Anthony Davis saying
I want to play and Steph Curry saying I want
to play, it is a big deal. Behind the scenes,
it's bad optics. I'm you know, Adam Silver listening to Lebron.
Lebron said, give us a longer All Star break. I'm
okay with that. Fewer back to backs, I'm okay with that.
(01:07:55):
I think this league is incredibly demanding on players, but
the load management thing is just not good business at all.
And so when Anthony Davis comes out and says now
I'm gonna play the games, that is a massive sigh
or relief for Adam Silver. By the way, uh, In
terms of my coffee, um, I've made a decision not
(01:08:18):
to drink coffee from a coffee house anymore. John, are
you monitoring my social media accounts? How is that? Playing
with America? You sound like a true man of the people.
What are the people saying? I think every everyone knew
that coffee was expensive until I said it's really expensive,
and now I've galvanized America. Starbucks might actually go into
(01:08:38):
foreclosure because if you're you're going to lead this revolt
against them. I'm not against coffee. I'm against getting hoes
for eight bucks on two thimbles of anything. Specifically, which
coffee house is over priced? I did not say specifically no,
although the answer is all of them. The answer is
all of them, but I didn't. I'm not calling out
an individual. I'm not should get your coffee to go
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from a diner. Diners have great coffee. I love diner coffee.
Where are diners everywhere in the seventies, I don't have
a diner in my area? Code a diner? I'm sure
you do. Who Where's there a diner? Where are your liners?
I love diners, the best food. Jersey dude, who where?
Where are there diners everywhere? Just type in the Delhi.
(01:09:24):
I guarantee you have one close to you. Katino Malbli
coming up next. I had literally I just I just
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(01:10:05):
over a decade in the NBA. A couple of things
to talk about. Number One, Mike Sheshevsky said, I want
you to take us back in your career. Mike Sheshevsky
said that Zion should not have been playing in the
summer league. He wasn't in shape. He was doing all
the awards. He's not in shape. So he plays about
five ten minutes, gets hurt, and Shoevsky's like listening as kids,
(01:10:26):
body's valuable. What don't we jamming him into a summer league?
He's not ready. Your thoughts about him getting hurt very quickly,
and about his body overall, well, you know, I kind
of look at his body and he's really heavy. He's
really heavy, and it seems like, Okay, he's born thick.
He's born thick kid. But the thing is the way
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he plays, which so much power and tenacity and things
like that. That's not going to last long, especially how
his diet is, because you're not supposed to be gaining
weight when you're playing. He's supposed to be trimming up,
you know, losing weight, kind of staying certain fit. So
I would, you know, I would just recommend for him.
You know, when you're young, you can get away with
certain things like that. But he's had problem with his
(01:11:08):
knee a couple of different times. You don't want to
be catastrophic where he's done for a long, really long
time or maybe forever. So I mean, if I was him,
I would take some of that money and get on
that Lebron James kind of thing that gets you new
nutritionists and figure it out from there, because you can't
just keep eating McDonald's or whatever else you're eating. And
by the way, I woke up, that's what young guys eat,
even young pro athletes. I tell the story of Andre
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Agasi early in his career. Yeah, and he was eating
taco bell. I mean, it's crazy now, but I don't
blame him because at that point, Andrey's probably burning nine
thousand glories a day and his body doesn't care. Well.
The funny thing is, you gotta think about this right
when you're younger, no matter what you do in life,
not just not just a sport, but when you're younger,
you can get away with those things. You can stay
up late, you get out the next day. Now in
fool's gold, because if I go, if I'm in Miami
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and I'm young, and I'm parting until four or five
in the morning, and then I go and I played
the next day and I get like twenty something thirty points,
I'm like, oh, I'm cool. I could do this again.
Somewhere else comes repetitive. So you have to really step
back outside of your body and say this stuff. You
know what, how long can I do this? Right? Oh?
I can't do that long. You have to like kind
of see four see the future to figure it out.
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When you broke into this league in the NBA, were
you were, you got and drink night before a game. No,
you never were a big girl. No, No, I was.
First of all, I never went out night before a game.
I'm staying in the house. I'm watching tapes. I'm watching
three or four. I will usually watch my opponent four
of their games before I played them, So I will
watch the tendencies, different things like that, how I can
(01:12:32):
get open you know what their weaknesses in defense. That's
what I would do. And you didn't drink at all. No,
I couldn't do that. I couldn't do it. Didn't party
at all, not yet parted. I have fun with people,
but handsome guy, Yeah, we have fun. We all have fun. Well,
I'm a journalist. I have to ask these kind of question.
(01:12:52):
It's legitimate, right, I'm honest. I get you know. I
didn't actually drink until I was in my twenties, right
like mid twenties. I didn't drink sixteen years. Yeah, then
I turned seventeen. Oh sorry, that was a terrible joke. Okay. Um.
I defended Chris Paul forever. Yeah, forever, he played defense.
I thought he was smart. He held people accountable. But
(01:13:14):
you can do that in football. Maybe I maybe I
look at that and I think I like my quarterbacks
to do that. No passive aggressive, all aggressive. Man. He
didn't get along with Harden. I didn't get along with Blake,
can't get along with DeAndre at some point. And I'm
just wrong on this. Like, to me, if you're the
second best player, you gotta make it work. If I
go to Houston, on Chris Paul, it's my job to
(01:13:36):
make it work, Okay, Like it's not an even relationship.
This is not a marriage where I'm saying no, no no, no,
James Harden is the best offensive player in the league.
I gotta go and make it work. I kind of
blame Chris Paul for the Houston stuff. What a funny
thing is I'm not gonna I'm not gonna point fingers
at anyone. But it goes back to what I was
saying before. When you're doing something throughout your life and
(01:13:56):
you're successful at doing it, you'll keep doing it. There's
no backlash. So the most important person for the Clippers,
even though DeAndre Jordan was the anchor of the defense
and Blake Griffin was the highlight film, the most important
person to keep everybody together was kind of Chris Paul
ish right, So Chris Paul came from New Orleans, he
goes to the Clippers. It seems like you have to
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start studied point guard. He's very aggressive. And now the
older you get, now it's like, oh no, it's not
cute anymore. You can't keep doing this to different people.
And you're not staying healthy all year. So you cussing
us out and wanting one hundred percent out of us?
What we want that from you too? Kind of thing.
And he's not available, and he's not available. So when
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you're not available and you're getting back on the court,
and because some people out or being aggressive, which is
not a bad thing, they're looking at you like, yo, bro,
we don't I don't need this. We don't need this.
When you as you aged, did you your personality change
as a leader? Well, I mean for the better, right,
I became more patient and and for me, I'm I'm
(01:14:59):
a very family or in it. I love my family,
I love my friends, and I try to stick with that,
right because I'm more a spiritual person, like I love
the way the universe delivers to me. I try to
give it back or whatever. So you know, the older
I got, it's like I don't have to be the
guy I could be a part of something amazing because
in high school, au you were the guy that was
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the guy. Right, So with the older you get, you
have to understand the circumstances situations. It's like, do I
want to be the guy and have miserable situations or
do I want to fit into an amazing part of
twelve people. I would rather do that. Good for you.
So Ben Simmons got a massive extension today, five years,
one hundred zillion dollars. I heard that. It's like one
hundred and fifty million or one hundred and seventy five years.
(01:15:42):
It's it's just a massive deal. I love him. You
don't love him, you don't love his game? No, no, no,
let me let me correct this. Okay, it's not no,
it's not that I don't love him. I just want
guys to respect the game more, right, it's comments throughout
your career. It's more so I don't have to shoot,
I don't have to work on my shot, those type
of things. Now, again, he's young. When you're when you're young,
(01:16:04):
you say certain things you may regret or whatever it is.
Do you go back in the mirror say, well, you
know what I do need to become better, well, there's
basketball whatever. In life, I do need to become a
better person, a better man, a better woman, a better whatever.
So at the end of the day, he's only in
his fourth year, he's going into his fifth year or whatever.
Hopefully he's working on his jumper where he can help
his team prevail further into the playoff. Do you like
(01:16:24):
his game? I mean, I'm not in love with it,
but I like it. I like it. It's so you know,
it's it's not like it's not your game. Yeah, it's
not ooh wow. You know, he's not like a ooh wow.
I mean, I don't see you're a point guard. I
don't see like you know, crazy fancy passes. I just
see that you're big, You're bigger than everybody else, and
you can dribble like that's I mean, it's not like
(01:16:45):
a magic Johnson, right, It's not like a magic Jason
kiddish kind of thing. It's just like you can dribble
and you're big, and you know, it does point out
something interesting the man upstairs. And I'm and by no
means of mine saying Ben Simmons hasn't worked hard to
become this. You can't get as good as Ben without it.
But we know this to be true, is that as
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certain players work harder than other players, some people are
gifted to color like they just the DNA of them.
They just gifted and they can watch it and become it.
But they haven't worked as hard as other people. Like
Kobe Bryant, He's he was his DNA, he inherited DNA,
but he's his will and his effort, and that's something
totally different, right. I don't think a lot of the
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young guys have that where it's like I'm sixteen or
I'm six eight, or I'm six six and my DNA
is basketball and I'm gifted because I've watched it, right,
I'm It's like a creature habit. It's kind of like
a you know, if I watched something a lot when
I'm younger, I can do a little bit of that.
Now I'm sixteen, I'm dribbling a ball. Oh I'm pretty good.
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So but anybody else's it is worries if you're a
sixer fan that Simmons didn't even work on his game
in the offseason. My point is the man upstairs gave
him a six ten and a half. He's clearly worked
at his game, or he wouldn't be this good. But
it does signal something that he did not. He has
a huge hole in his game and didn't work on it.
If you were, if you were a coach and he
came back and didn't work on it, Like, is that?
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Like it's hard to make people that aren't willful willful,
Like guys are grinders or they're not. Like my daughter
and I were talking about this yesterday and she asked me,
She's like, what's your favorite quality for you? Dad? And
I said, what what do you like about you? And
I said, I'm I'm a grinder, I'm willful, I put
my mind to stuff. I want to be a good skier.
I'm just going to be obsessed about it for two years.
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Whether that's a good quality or not, it's my quality.
So the point being is nobody taught me that. I've
been like that since that was seven. It does worry
me about Ben Simmons's brother. Brother, you can't shoot in
the shooters League. I don't even care if you're never
a great shooter. It doesn't know Perry put any effort
into it. That would worry me. Yeah, it would worry
me too. But see, the thing is is the reason
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why we can see so much of his flaws on
his outside, It is because he has Joel Embia's packing
to paint. So if he had, if Ben Simmons had
all shooters around him, you wouldn't even really worry about
his shot so much. Because just like the Brooklyn series
when when Joel Embi was out, he was so good
lanes and that's my loans are open. So they add
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Al Horford And when I look at the construction of Philadelphia,
I'm like, this doesn't It's like Westbrook and Harden. I
can say Hall of Famer. I don't think it works together.
This is part of it. Like like when Magic broke
into the league, he had Kareem well Magic, it was
great because Magic could start the fast break, Kareem could
be the trailer. So Kareem ensued they were a great
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half court team, right Magic made sure they were a
great transition team. Magic didn't need Kareem to run with him,
so it worked both ends. The Lakers were the best
half court team and with Magic they were the best
transition team in the NBA today. And Bead can run
the floor, but and Bead clogging the lane really inhibits
what Simmons can do, right right, That's that's my point.
He would be great. He would be great on a
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small team of shooters. There you go, if he could,
if you can spread him, if you can put shoots
around him, you wouldn't really see his flaw. But because
he has Joel and being because he has our Horford,
now Horfe's a spot up now, so which is great
for him, So he can kind of open up the
lane a little bit for for Bed. But I just
want him to really take this person because he could
be one of the greatest of all time if you
get at least a fifteen foot or in the consistent
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one by the way to do we don't have much time.
Do you watch the tennis match yesterday? Fellah? I love it.
I love tennis. Do you play tennis? I do pot.
We gotta play a little bit, we gotta do. You
a great player, I'm not great. Love playing consistently. I'll
beat both of you though, I'm sure of that. Really. Okay, yeah,
it was an incredible tennis match. It would be like
Havin said, not consistently, but you'll beat both of us. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Did you play college tennis. No, you kind of nervous.
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She said that convincingly. Three Next, one more Herd. The
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teams in the a SEC. Fourteen teams in the SEC
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two have winning records the last three years against top
twenty five teams. Bamon Clemson. Nobody beats good teams. That
was Chris low who gave me that. He's a reporter.
By the way, So I saw a story this morning that, oh, oh,
look at this. The Oklahoma city is more than okay
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with keeping Chris Paul. They don't have to trade him.
They're they're fine keeping him. No, they're not not that
against the guy who broke this story for Bleacher Report.
They want to get rid of this contract. You gotta
be kidding. There's three horrible contracts in the NBA, Chris Paul,
John Wall, and Russell westbrook Now Westbrooks is the best
of the three because he can still play. I can
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still get twenty seven a night from Russell Westbrook and
he's still I don't think he's in his prime. He's
had some knee surgeries, but I think he's still. You know,
you I can move Russell Westbrook. John Wall isn't as
good as Westbrook, and his surgeries are worse, and he
won't play this year. That's an unmovable contract. Chris Paul's
is shorter, it's one year shorter, but he can't play
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for long stretches period. I do think Wall will come
back and still be solid. The Chris Paul contract is hard,
hard to move. The one thing Oklahoma City has a
zillion draft picks, seventeen over the next seven years, or
fifteen over the next seven you'd have to give a
team like Philadelphia four or five first round picks if
they'd swallow the contract. And I'll give you, you know,
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Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons, something like that. But in the NBA,
you know, I read that story this morning, the Oklahoma City.
You know, they'll they'll keep west They'll they'll keep Chris
Paul if they have to this idea. They want to
keep Chris Paul. It's a horrible contract, and all have
a player option last year of their contract. And they're
not giving that money up right, So they're not There's
no way Westbrook's given up forty seven million a year
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at the end of it. Same with John wall These
are you can almost move every bad contract. The Chris
Paul one's rough. That's a I don't know how they
got rid of it. Oklahoma City rolled the dice on it,
got a bunch of draft picks to swallow it, and uh,
I don't know that's that's I think. Listen, Oklahoma City,
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they're gambling that somebody. They've got so many draft picks
that somebody will eat it. I look at these three teams, Houston,
Washington and Oklahoma City, and I think there's a ceiling
on how good you can get based on those contracts.
Cameron Jordan can't wait to talk to him. Great pass
rusher in the NFL, great player, four time Pro Bowler,
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He's a top fifteen guy in the NFL. He's around
the corner. Joey Taylor with the news. No, No, this
is the herd line. Think about this. I think how
old Chris Paul is. You know how you think Andrew
Boget's like a dinosaur. Chris Paul, Andrew came out the
same year that Joe Chris Paul has been around long. Yeah,
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so he's old, expensive, hurt, and the hard to play with.
I do think you'd be very valuable with the right team,
But I just wouldn't put him in a position where
like he has to be. If I if I had
an old team and I'm like, I need draft picks,
and you just go to Oklahoma Sili and say, listen,
I see your draft picks. I want five first round pick.
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There's got to be a team out there in the
league that's say hey, listen to get it off the books. You,
by the way, you'd still enjoy, you'd still have, you
still have ten. Yeah, they do have a lot. They
have a lot. So Melvin Gordon might not be the
only running back holding out for a new deal. According
to Pro Football Talk, Ezekiel Elliott might join him. Her
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league source. Elliott has privately said that he will hold
out of training camp unless he gets a new contract.
The Cowboys haven't focused on giving Elliott a new contract,
largely because they don't have to. They have instead focused
on players with more immediate paths to free agency. From
DeMarcus Lawrence, who has signed to DAK Prescott and Amari Cooper,
who haven't Wow Dak Anamaria, are due to become free
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agents next year. Zeke still has two years remaining on
his rookie deal and first round selections are subject to
a fifth year option, so he's due to make a
salary of three point eight five million this year and
nine points zero nine million in twenty twenty. So he's
most likely looking for ten million a year. But this
could make things very interesting for the Cowboys this year
at this ends up happening, says, this is not great
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for them. This is not great for especially considering that
you're kind of trying to figure out what you're going
to do with DA. If you pay Zeke early, what's
the message to Dak. You'll pay the running back early,
but not Dak. Well, I mean, I think, yikes. It's
just it's very interesting that Zeke is if this happens,
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that Zik is doing is at this point, especially considering
Zeke's history and he's been in trouble recently, you think
he'd pull it right, right. I don't know, Wow, that
that is not you know. I talked to an NFL
general manager in the last three days. He said there
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are analytics in this league, and there are teams that
believe in this league you never give a running back
a second contract. It's just a position. That's just you
give him the first contract for four years, then you
move them instead of pay them. There are there are
analytics some subscribe to that that's outside. And this GM
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said to me, there's about two exceptions, and he was
probably talking about Melvin Gordon and Zeke. Well, yeah, I
mean Zeke is that exception. Zeke isn't is the best
or top three running backs in the league. Regardless of
his history. You have to pay him. It's just interesting
and it's happening right now, especially and unfortunate really concerning
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the fact that you want to pay Dak whatever you
want to pay him, whether you want to pay him
the most money or work got a deal with him.
I need to pay him Mari too, So could be
trouble ahead for the Cowboys. So the only three players
in NBA history with a career pr player efficiency rating
about twenty seven, the Lakers two of three of those
players on the roster right now, on Lebron and Anthony Davis.
And in an interview with CBS Sports is Jim hill
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ad said, neither lebra him or Lebron I played with
the caliber of player that's high before. This comes from
KCBS Los Angeles. I think that I'm a very special player. Um,
you know, I feel like I can do it, do
it all, shoot the three, actually that may range. You know, defense,
I take Friday defense. Um you know. I UM, I
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can talk on defense like the league. And I think
that I haven't played with a player like Lebron. Lebron
haven't played with a player like me before. It's a
kind of interesting situation with a D and Lebron because,
as we've talked about many times, there's kind of an
inevitable thing that happens when Lebron plays with bigs. At
least we've seen it with Chris Chris Bosh and Kevin
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Love Where'd You Go? But in those situations, Lebron played
with a dominant two, and Wade in kyrieer being doesn't
really have that with the Lakers. Now, we all think
that Kuzma is going to take a step up, and
he was good and saw it last year and has
shown growth, but neither one of us think he's on
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the level of Wade or kyriebrams on those teams. I
think Anthony's better, but I'm saying, yes, Anthony Anthony Davis
is better than Chris, Chris Bosh and Kevin Love. But
he's also not in the same situation and the same
team set up as Lebron was with the Heat, where
it was Lebron Wade, then Bosh and then Lebron, Kyrie
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then Kevin Love. It's Lebron, a d and then Kuzma.
So how is that dynamic. I think it's going to change.
I think Lebron will make it work. I think it'll
be early spectacular, and my guess is it'll work really
well for that reason. Lebron's older. Well, yeah, Lebron is is.
I mean, it'll be interesting to see how he adjusts
his game as well because he is older and he's
coming off his first major injury. I don't know they'll
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be They're gonna be fun to watch this year. So finally,
everyone is trying to figure out how James Harden and
Russell Westbrook are going to fit together, can get fit
hard and obviously needs help. They both need a championship.
How are they going to make it work? One rival
executive chimed in and told Bleacher report. The problem is
they both need a ball in their hands, so it's
the same problem they had before. But to me, Russ
is an upgrade over Chris. You have a triple double
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guy who's younger and who can rebound better. The only
difference is Chris shoots the three ball better, which in
Houston is everything right, that's all they do. Well, how's
that worked out for you, Houston. I really want to
see what kind of roles and adjustments D'Antoni makes to
make this all work. Now. I know everyone's gonna say
it it's on Hardened and Chris and Russell Westbrook to
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adjust their game, and it is, but I think they
are also both aware of their game. They don't have
to work on their relationship because they obviously are already
friends and have maintained a relationship and want to play
together and know what's at stake. But all of the
other X factor players and we shoot the three ball
and all the analytics that's gotten you to the playoffs
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and hadn't even an exciting regular season and it's not
one of need a championship. There are going to be
some adjustments that need to be made by everyone, not
just Russell Westbrook and James Hydrid agree, joy with the news. Well,
that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd
Line News. It's one of the great players in the NFL,
entering his ninth season with the Saints, A four time
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Pro bowler. I don't think he's ever missed a start,
not for a long time. He's played in one hundred
and twenty eight NFL games. His name is Cameron Jordan
and he's joining us for the first time in the
Herd All pro Saints defensive end, big time personality, outspoken,
what is going on? It's a pleasure to have you on.
We've never had you on the show before. Right light
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In many times, I'm in La. You here in La
all the time. I feel like I am. You're a
big personality, You're big, You're you jumped through the TV screen.
You've got a rivalry with Cam Newton, which I think
is great. I have a rival with anybody in my division.
But yes, any quarterback is definitely my fixation. Do they
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does it? Is it serious question? Although it won't sound serious,
is there does every quarterback feel different to sack? Are
there different sounds? Are there different fields? Are there different strategies.
I mean, yeah, of course there's always gonna be different
strategies when you're facing somebody like uh, you know we
have in our division, you face uh Matt Ryan. You
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know as soon as you get ahold of him, you
know he's going down. Um. You know, it's not like
he can just sort of shrug you off. I mean,
uh that that can't happen. You get ahold of Cam Newton,
he can shrug you off. He can outrun you. He
can then as he's fallen sling a sixty yard accurate ball.
I mean, he's probably the greatest sack you're going to
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try and get after, just because he's strongest. Ben Roethlisberger,
he's got you know, accuracy like any other anybody other
top tier quarterback. Um. And then of course he can
outrun you more than you know Russell Wilson can do.
You talk to him when you talk a lot. All
quarterbacks don't talk back, man, like they don't care about us. Like, No,
I don't think it's that. I think they that's not
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why they don't talk back. Because you can hit a quarterback,
and if a guy could hit me, I would make
sure I'd be like cameraon that was a great sack.
You're a fine Andrew Lucketts, that would be So this
is overly aggravated. In fact, that's not helping your case
because now I just want to hit you more. You
tell me good job. I'm just like, all right, and
it wasn't good enough. I'll give you this next one.
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When you're a great pass rusher, you're a You're in
a very interesting spot. By and large, I want my
players to play defensively in the system, but you're unique.
You're one of four or five guys in the league
that I kind of want you to go go get
the quarterback. How much are you in a Saint system?
And how much do they allow you to be Cam
Jordan and kind of do your thing on the edge?
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Camera's on for this, um, All right, perfect? So I
mean when you talk about the mentality of our defense,
about how we want to get after the quarterback, We've
had pieces, you know. Now, I've got Marcus Davenport as
Schelter Rankins, who just got injured last year, so he'll
come back sometime this year. You've got David an Yamada.
When you're attacking a quarterback, it's because of these other
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pieces that you that you can go ahead and go
after the quarterback relentlessly. Um. So I've at this point,
I've gone through four different decordinators on the Saints team.
So I feel like it can't be just scheme. Right
when you come into the league there everybody wants a
pass rusher. You would become the most valuable defensive piece.
I talked to college coaches, They're like, just give me
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an edge rusher, right. So it's funny you walked into
this league and you were a guy. There wasn't not
a lot of just there wasn't no question by any
of your first year started your second year, It's like, Okay,
he's gonna be a pro bowler. There's there are maybe
edge rushers that are a bit faster, a little bigger.
What separates you? Why are you and Khalil Mack? Like,
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what is it? It can't just be forty time and
combine stuff. There's gotta be something in Nate cam in
you that you have a sense, uh your intuition. What
is it that separates you? I mean, I feel like
I'm more physical than most edge drushers simply because when
I got drafted, I got drafted to play the four technique.
I didn't. I didn't get drafted to be played the edge.
I didn't get drafted to play at nine to hold
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the edge and keep everything focused inside. I played. I
primarily came in my rookie year, and I was a
four technique. I was lined up inside of a tackle.
I was lined up on a guard. So I came
in for all hands. I was there for all aggression.
I was there for all run stopping and buildings. And
then hands were everything. Hands everything, So hand placement, the
mentality of attacking a person in terms of instead of
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just holding the edge and keeping my outside nine or
you know whatever it is. Um So my mentality, I
feel like it is different because I'm I tell guys
all the time, I'm here for the hands. I'm here
to reset the line of scrimmage. I'm here to try
and dominate my opponent. Whereas you know, guys like Khalil
and your vans have are elite steps two point stance,
and they set an edge and that's what they're great.
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When you we talked about, you've been well compensated and
deservedly so. So Dak Prescott goes in the fourth round
doesn't make anything for three years, sells a ton of jerseys,
keeps the Cowboys on TV, and there is a sentiment
among some like listening to the cowboy quarterback no state tax,
little hometown discount. We can't pay the quarterback thirty two large?
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Where do you fall on that? Like? I tend to
be take the money. I can't believe so many NBA
players take less to go play because they like the
weather in California. I'm like, you've seen the taxes, hey?
Or you think Canada is bad? Where do you? How
much is salary to you? Do you worry that a
quarterback salary? Do you think about that? Are you just
like dude, I'm good pay me? M Yeah, I'm probably
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probably following. I mean, if you watch my contracts go,
I'm probably with the I'm good pay me situation. I
like where I'm at. I like the scheme that I am.
I love the foundation we have in the facility. It's
important to me to not only stay it with one team,
but stay at base home. I mean, New Orleans has
been home for me. So to talk on another person's
money or another pair of person's aspect, I can't do it.
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I would simply say, if he loves Dallas. If he
loves where he's at, if he loves his opportunity, then
you make it work. And at the same time, he's
also a quarterback, so he is the face of that franchise.
He is. You know, if he says he's unhappy, it's
the trip franchisees situation to make it right. So I mean, yeah,
that's a whole different position. You talked about edge rusher
to co quarterback. I know I would say edge rusher,
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don't sell yourself short, no doubt, but our highest paid
edge rusher is making what twenty four, the highest paid
quarterbacks making thirty five. That's a lot of let us.
Twenty four is a lot of let us, no doubt,
no doubt. By the way, when you practice with Drew
Brees every day. If if I'd never seen Drew Brees
play and I said, a Cameron, there's this great quarterback.
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Drew Brees games were on TV. What makes him great?
Your first practice? You whoever went, you'd see how great
he is. And it's not in the throws he's making.
It's in his preparation. It's in the walkthroughs. I mean,
if you watch him walkthroughs, he's making all the reads,
he's making all the throws and it's all mental and
that's without even throwing the ball. So you just see
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this guy warmed up. And Drew's back here doing a
these and he's here here and he's talking to his
receivers and he's got open dialogue with all the receivers,
with all the running backs. He's talking to the center,
especially since we have a new center, he's talking to
the office of linement. He's talking to everybody saying exactly
where his offense is communicator exactly. So that open dialogue
already separates you from most quarterbacks. Is he a barker?
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Does he get after guys occasionally? I mean he's a competitor,
So I mean, when you're an ultimate competitor, you want
things to go exactly how we are. But again, you
have guys like Album Kamara, who who has his field,
and you, guys, we have a top receiver, probably the
best receiver in the game right now, Michael Thomas, who
you know, is gonna have that open banter. And that's
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what you that's what you hope for constructive criticism. You've
had two wild finishers, you're one one. You'll lost one.
Last couple of years, you know, right, like like you
have the let's say the Minnesota one was no. Stefon
Diggs was that that's right, so you lost both my
bad top of in Minnesota a miracle and then yeah, okay,
so you it'd be And I said this, I said,
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I don't know if New Orleans can rebound from back
to back gut wrenching, gut kicking losses. And Drew Brees
after the game said something I thought was really important.
He goes, I don't want to hear about the officials,
and his takeaway was we better get over this fast.
Are you concerned, cam or how concerned are you about
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when you lose the way you lose. There's a there's
a stench to it, there's a stick to it, and
it goes into camp. I mean absolutely, there is definitely
a stick to it um when you talk about losing
the way you did. But if as long as you
take it in the positive mindset that everything has to
come from you. I mean last year we lost to
Minnesota was like if we never let him get that
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close to us, then we'd be so much further ahead.
I mean, we hate to put it on somebody like
we say you could put it on the referees, like
if you weren't, you know, you puss to be the
top of your position. If you make the right call,
we'd be so much further. But if honestly, we were
up by two touchdowns, so if we kept that lead,
then we've never been in a position that we were in.
So you gotta take it on us. You gotta put
it on the team. You gotta put it on the defense.
And our defense is young enough for It's like, hey,
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we want to go beyond expectations. So last season was
last season. How do we get better from here? We've
got tomorrow Davis who's entering his second year with the team,
who was a force for us last year. Schulter Rankins
had one of the you know, his best season to
date last year. David Anyamana was bad in last year.
Marcus Davenport's head into a second season, and you know
that first year the second ye leader league. You look
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at that, our secondary, the whole Ohio State secondary, plus
you know are Utah. I mean, these are guys going
from their second year to the third year. How much
better can they get? You know, you got you added
in Eli Apple, you got Pete Patrick robertson who should
be healthy this year. I mean coming in as a
nickel corner. Um, there's so much promise to our defense.
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It's now living up to expectation of exped exceeding our own.
Your dad was a Pro Bowl tight end for the Vikings. Yeah, okay, No,
I mean he great, great player. If there's one thing
Dad taught son about the NFL, what was it? Um?
He taught me a lot to head into my rookie here.
It was trying to absorb everything from the greats that
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you're around. So at the time I was around you know,
Roman Harper, Malcolm Jenkins, Jonathan Vilma, Will Smith, and it
was like what separated them from everybody else? Was it
their mental prep? For JV, it was like all the
mental film work that he did. Um, it was you know.
For Roman Harper, he used to have you know, guns Friday.
He used to work on his arms religiously. So it's
(01:40:46):
just like taking little things away. For Will was about
just you know, the constant ability to to have that grind,
that gritty mentality like if anything, I'm gonna go get it.
And it's not about what everybody else is doing. It's
about how much can I get better than that day?
So it was all. It was all just taking a
little bit of something from each and every grade I
could find. When the season ends, how much time do
you give your body? Just go have a bad meal
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and a big piece of cake and I live. I
live great in the all season. For that first month
and a half, I'm like living, traveling, eating, drinking whatever
I want at all times of the day, like it's
gelatinous I get, I get Hefty quick and then I'm
just like all right, time to be an athlete again.
You know, you know that's it. They stay for maris.
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They say, if you want to stay healthy, you run.
Don't run for a month and a half and go eat, Like,
just let reward your body. Don't don't don't go run
another marathon. They tell you, for a month, go eat.
I'm a firm believer in that one. Go travel, eat, enjoy.
You know. I went around the world from La to La.
Favorite country you've ever been to in the world, Hong
Kong was awesome. Um as much as I love the UAE,
(01:41:50):
as much as I love uh France. UM never been
to Croatia, No heard it's amazing. Prague, Uh No Finland. Finland,
Finland is surprisingly of My daughter just went to Cape Town, okay,
since the most most beautiful city she's ever been done.
See I think I was. I was headed to Cape
Town a couple of years ago, and then they had
like a newspaper article like three weeks before I was
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supposed to go, had like a cheater run through a hotel,
and I was like, so no longer Cape Town. That
was just like, you know, this is just like had
we you know, we went to the Bahamas a couple
of weeks ago. Three days later there was a shark attack.
Had that happened three days before, I would have Bahamas
would have knicked. The Bahamas would have been known as South.
I was well read and prepared in your travels, no doubt.
Anytime you're here, you want to come on the show
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talking about anything, promote anything, come on the show. We'd
love to have you just whenever you're in town, just
you want to hang out. I appreciate that. I appreciate that.
Cam Jordan's great to meet you. I appreciate you guys
having me on. We didn't even get saying hi, that's
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By the way, Zions now a member of the Pelicans.
You just bought season tickets with the Pelicans, he will.
I'm in the second row, though I'm not like I'm
not like foot like in the wood front and center,
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but I'm like feet on the wood one row back.
It's perfectly fine. It hurts. Now New Orleans is There's
a lot to do, There's beautiful people, there's great food.
When you first got there, did it lures you in?
There's a party scene there When I first got there.
CP three was our point guard. Um see how that turned? Um?
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Is it a party city? I mean yeah, but it's
it's a festive city. It's I mean we have parades
and floats for any and every reason. Second lining can
go down any and given time. So you don't you
don't worry that Zion Young. It's very young team. Did
you get caught up in any of the party time
when you got there? Yes, But I mean at this
there's a difference basketball. There's only fifteen guys on the team.
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The facers are out. You know exactly who Zion is.
He's gonna be. You know, he's gonna be low key,
He's gonna he's gonna enjoy his city. But at the
same time, you know he's got to be low key.
Everybody knows his face. My first year in the league,
it was like, you know, everybody just knows a face mask.
It wasn't until you know, year two, year three that
you start to be like, all right, well this is
the man behind the face mask. What's it like for
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Drew Brees there, man he lives in Yeah, I would
say he's he's definitely New Orleans. But um, the thing
about New Orleans like they don't really fan out all
the way, like, you know, they respect who you are
because there are celebrities in town every day exactly. I
mean it's New Orleans. So I mean you're gonna catch
random actors, actresses, You're gonna catch football players, basketball players. Uh,
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you know, they say hi, and they sort of let
you keep pushing. I mean, so it's phenomenal city for that.
I want to get back to your relationship and your
division's very interesting with Cam Newton. So Cam is a
megastar in the league. We've gone back and forth on
Cam Jordan and Cam Newton. Okay, now I want to
go left Cam. There's I feel like there's only one
Cam in the league. So I I always say Cam
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Newton's Westbrook. You're kind of in awe of him. But
he's not a great precision thrower. Like when you face Cam,
what is generally your game plan? Uh, hit him early
and often. I mean you got to try and unsettle
this monster. Look at it right there, he's talking trash
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to you. Yeah that that didn't end? Will that got
real ugly real quick? Um? I mean I feel like
there's a rivalry, Like there's a real sense of a rivalry.
And every in our division verse everybody, they're like, yeah,
this new one is it's the Saints, but the player wise,
it's like New Orleans verse, the Panthers New Orleans Verse,
you know, the Falcons, New Orleans Verse, everybody in that division.
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I mean, and you feel like that sense of rivalry,
like we could play the Vikings, and we could play
the Rams, and we could play the Chargers or whoever
we're gonna play, and it's a game, and of course
you're gonna be intense about it. But it's like that
heightened sense of us versus them when it comes to
our rivals. But you told me Cam Newton doesn't talk trash,
he doesn't. Us versus them is the offensive line. Us
versus them is is them as a team. I mean,
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they've their whole offensive line definitely does um And I
mean that's I mean, that's what you look for. I
mean that Livelary video is intense. I mean that was
a couple of years ago. That was young, That was
young Cam. YEA, when you say Cam, I automatically think me.
Everybody says Cam Newton. You know there's only there was
no disrespect, No, no, no no, not at all. It was
just you know, it's like it's just like saying Rush westbook,
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like everybody's gonna drop the whole name, you know. For me,
I'm just Cam And so you sort of sometimes get
after it. And I think I think the Panthers rival
who really started probably a year or two before that.
When was it Roman Harper smacked Steve Smith? Remember that?
And then like that's really when you felt it was
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very meet Wentz Camp start. We got ten seconds Wentz
Camps camp starts the twenty fifth. You guys have the
hardest or do you go to? You up? You go up?
We're starting New Orleans. Oh it's supposed to go most
camp in the league. Yeah, absolutely supposed to be. You
gotta die to be reborn to Phoenix. Look, you gotta
go through him. That's just what's going through Saints Camp's
legendarily bad, all right, Cam Jordan, thanks Bud. See to
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mar that's the hurd. Absolutely