Small ball, Andre Iguodala, Jerry Jones, and the 76ers

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a little NFL football, probably some Lakers with native Los
Angeles t J. Hush Menzata will join us. We got
a lot to get to, including with Hush. Should Joe Burrow?
Should Joe Burrow show up and play for the Bengalso
Shitty force his way out of Cincinnati before he's ever
in Cincinnati. In other words, pulled the Lway, pulled the
Eli Manning. Get to that during the show. But there's

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a there's an old saying. Maybe it's a cliche. And look,
we're told in this business, don't be cliche, right, don't
be cliche, don't be cliche. But when the going gets tough,
the tough to in fact get going, don't they defense
does in fact win championships? Now we could sit here
and go, well, Doug, the Niners defense is the best

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defense in the league, didn't win the championship. Yeah, but
the Chiefs don't come back and win that game. If
Chris Jones doesn't bat down a couple of balls, if
they don't get four consecutive stops, win down ten in
the Super Bowl. Defense does win championships. Right. We rave
about the Golden State Warriors, and they're shooting, but during

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their championship runs, analytics would tell you they were, with
the exception of one year, the best defensive teams in basketball.
So cliches can be true. A matter of fact, they
are generally true. They're just overused expressions. Here's one, Necessity
is the root of all invention. I screwed it up again?

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Did I screw it up again? Take two? Necessity is
the mother of all invention. Same thing, really right, Finally
nailed at Gottleib. That's what happened last night with the
Houston Rockets. Now, long term we will discuss, but short
term they they did the thing which I love. You know,

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we talk about whether you're apps or desserts. I'm like,
why do the app Why do the appetizer just bring
me to entres? I'd rather have an additional entree than
have a dessert And a matter of fact, that's one
of the reasons I like apps over desserts is it's
usually a mini entree. Why not just play your five
best players at once? What happens if you're tallest players

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six foot six like Daniel House. Okay, so the Houston
Rockets trade away Clint Capella and many predict gloom and doom,
and it is something that you kind of scratch your
head at because, well, everybody has a rim protector in
the NBA, right everyone who runs pick and roll and

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it's called spread game, has a roller, has a rim protector,
has somebody who defends the rim and rolls to the
rim and finishes. And that's what Capella, though overpaid, was doing.
I am a broadcaster, a former college basketball player, form
professional player, and I've also been a coach, coach teams overseas.

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I've coached in the TBT, the Basketball Tournament. I've also
also coached youth teams. And when you get to a
higher level of competition, collegiate or pros. What happened last
night is what I have implored to college basketball coaches
throughout the country, which is, hey, small ball works. It works. Now.

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The reason it works is not always just because you
make a bunch of shots. Oftentimes it's because of the
other team's reaction to your lineup. And this actually starts
at a very very young age. Right at a very
young age, when you first start playing basketball, the biggest
kid on the floor in wreck basketball usually parks himself

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in the lane or just off the lane, puts his
hand up. Then every coach, every parent says, throw him
the ball, and he's closer to the hoop, so he
tries to throw it off the backboard and throw it in,
and if he doesn't make it, he gets the rebound
because he's bigger than everybody else, and he then keeps
throwing it in there until he goes in. But a
funny thing happened on the way to a win for

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the Lakers. See look, I'm not a believer that all
analytics tell ever every bit of the story. But analytics
tell a portion of this story, which is really really important.
Doug Gotlieben for collin this to Hurd on Fox Sports
Radio and Fox Sports One. The Lakers played right into

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the Rockets hands. See what happens when you have a
diminutive lineup and you have Lebron James, where you have
Anthony Davis as you say, get down there, post up,
We'll throw you the ball because that's what we've been
taught for the last thirty forty fifty years. Right, it's
a mismatch. When I played professional basketball, if I was

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caught on a big guy, you would immediately hear the
bigger players say mouse in the house or just mouse.
I got a little guy, give me the ball, and
they give you the ball, and you felt like that
was a shore too. Analytics tell us a completely different story.
They tell us that shot in the post is actually
an inefficient shot. If you like numbers. Point seven seven

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seven is a post up shot. In the NBA, guys
practice it less and even when they become you know,
lights out scores like Anthony Davis. They all basketball players
will tell you you're allowed, as a smaller player generally
to be more physical, which makes a higher percentage shot
a little bit lower percentage. But here's what analytics wouldn't
tell you. It doesn't just hurt you in the first shot.

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It hurts you because you stop running your offense. You
know that thing that you've been working on since the
beginning of training camp, all those sets all those ball screens.
The ability Lebron James best attribute is not as a
post player. It's playing what's called downhill, going towards the basket. Well,
when you're throwing into a mismatch in the post that
goes away, it just does. Everybody stands and stops and

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it becomes nineteen nineties NBA basketball. Throw it to Pat
Ewing and he goes to work and if he double team,
he kicks out for a three. The other part it
hurts you on is your ability to rebound the basketball.
You would think that because you're bigger than the other team,
well you can just crash the glass and rebound, and
maybe to a certain extent you can. But one the
defense knows that, so they'll box out more too. When

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you have a guy at the post, I want you
to picture this like Anthony Davis. He catches the ball,
he has a defender on him, he shoots the basketball
or somebody else shoots the basketball, there's a man between
him and the basket. Makes it easier to box out,
as opposed to when you're running screen and roll and
somebody shoots that same big guy has a running start
who's nearly impossible to box out, you're making yourself easier

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to defend. You're shooting less efficient shots, you're getting out
of your offense, and you're easier to box out. And
oh yeah, by the way, because you have a size
advantage on the boards, generally guys crash the boards more.
What happens when you do that, The back ends open
and now the other team can transition better. Look, the
Houston Rockets played with a center last night. His name

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is Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook, you thought he was a
point guard? No, no no, no. All you have to have
is one what's called a clogger. One guy doesn't shoot
that well, that's okay. One two point shooter. The rest
are three point shooters. Nobody's in the lane. It makes
you really hard to defend. And instead of having Clint
Capella and Russell Westbrook two cloggers, if you will, two

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guys who clog up the lane, who can help on
James and who can help on different drives, who can
help rebounding. Now there's no help if you help. He
kicks off the shoot at three. Yes. The game plan
is to expose your mismatch and to beat you off
the dribble and to find your big guy and beat
him like they beat Kyle Kuzman last night. You're a

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weak defender, sure on offense, but it actually takes you
out of your offense at your own end. Don't believe me.
Take a listen to Frank Bogo, he's the head coach
of the Lakers as to what went wrong at Staples
last night with the advantage you had with sizes, seemed
like your team was trying to force the ball a
little bit too much to the post, maybe turning the
ball over a little bit. Would that be accurate? Probably

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the understatement of the year. Yeah, we were terrible with
just like you said, force trying to force feed it inside,
you know, getting our spacing right against you know, their
their post funnels, and you know, just not reading the
week side, you know. I mean that's where most of
our turnovers came. And it disrupted our flow. Up, your flow,

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all that stuff, all the players you practice, they all
go out the window because you're like, we got a mismatch.
That was from Spectrum Sports Net after the game, Frank
Vogel going, that's the understatement of the year. It actually
screwed us up on offense that we had a size
advantage every time down the court, and we tried to
take advantage of it, played it in their hands. Meanwhile,
when you play small, your shooting percentage is better, your

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turnovers are lower, your three point percentage is better, and
you know more most importantly, you know what your weakness is,
so it's easier to at least know how they're going
to attack you. Necessity is the mother of all invention.
And the Houston Rockets were stuck. They were stuck. Hey,

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they couldn't play any other way and be they try
to Clint Capella. You know, they've they've tried with stretch bigs,
They've tried all this different Chris Paul Russell, Westbrookie wasn't working.
You know, what the hell with it. Let's just instead
of having a small ball lineup at the end of
the game, the Warriors who had their death lineup, what
if we did it the entire game. Doctor oz had

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a New Year's resolution for America. You guys know who.
Doctor Ozley's like America's doctor. And he said to stop
eating breakfast. Stop eating breakfast. And you're sitting there and
you got your frosted flakes and you're looking up and
you're like Gottlieb. One, you're not cowherd, and two I
like frosted flakes. Why don't have to stop eating them? Well?
I was taught as a kid that breakfast is the

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most important meal of the day, in addition to breakfast
foods generally being filled with carbs and sugar, right, which
is even more carbs right right? Because I mean think
about breakfast foods right between cereal, which is carbs or
pancakes or waffles or whatever. Sure you can do what
Channon Sharp does if you have discipline eats egg whites

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and oatmeal every day for twenty years. Ask him it's amazing, right,
But most people don't. The whole breakfast is the most
important meal of the day was from a breakfast company.
That was from a breakfast company. You were sold a
bail of goods, just like the whole idea of hey,
we got to throw it to the big guy mismatch. Yeah, Well,

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it's actually better for you to not eat breakfast and
to get right to the substantial meals of the day
if you want to do the fasting thing or eat
quality foods. You know, you can eat a salad for breakfast.
You can eat chicken for breakfast. That's fine. Breakfast is
not the breakfast. Foods are not the most important meal
of the day. You actually don't need to satisfy your hunger.

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And when you're super hungry coming off asleep, the first
thing you do is put sugar in your system. It
actually is worse than not eating. That's the same thing
as what you've always been taught about basketball, which is
when you have a mismatch, forget everything else, throw it inside.
Mouse in the house. Don't believe me. The Lakers, who

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were trying to show off for Darren Collison was on
like a recruiting visit life night, end up kind of
embarrassing themselves by getting completely out of sorts because they're like, hey,
their tallest guy is six six and we got Anthony
Davis and Lebron James. Oops, this show, other shows. We
have a tendency to kill analytics. Last night was a win.

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Last night was a win. The trade deadline has passed.
There's one big move that's that everyone seems to love
that I hate. I'll explain it next. I'm Doug Gottlieb.
This is The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions
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Sports Radio Fox Sports one. Chris Bruce Artill join us
in mere moments after we get an update all the
things going on Yesterday was the NBA's trade deadline. It came,
it went, and there were thoughts that Andrea Godala would
be the missing piece for maybe a team like the Lakers,
or maybe a team like the Clippers. Obviously the Lakers.
Rob Pelinka is former agent and people thought he might

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end up there. Of course, the Memphis Grizzlies held on
to his rights. He refused to play for the Grizzlies.
The Grizzlies came out on Twitter and went at him.
Dylan Brooks actually got a contract extension. I think because
he's a better than they thought player, but also maybe
because he defended the honor of Memphis. Anyway, the Miami

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Heat end up via a trade, landing Andrea Goudala. Oh
and here's the kicker. They gave him a contract extension.
Now you will hear people around the NBA say, wow,
Andrew Goudala. NBA Finals MVP on the Miami Heat. This
is the missing piece. What a great trade. Now they're

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on the same tier as the Box elevates them above
the Raptors, and the Boston Celtics puts them right there ahead,
you know, face to face. The first thing is we
cannot take what we see in the regular season to
be true. Right. Go and look at the team that
had the best record in the Eastern Conference in the

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regular season with the past five to ten years, five
to ten years, and you will see that very, very
rarely does that team actually get to the NBA Finals,
nor are they the favorite to get to the NBA Finals.
And Miami specifically this year, because they have a younger,
energetic team, because Jimmy Butler's trying to prove he's worth
this max contract, Miami has been way better than expected.

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Keep in mind that Miami has this one thing they have.
They're basically like Hawaii and basketball, right Hawaii. A lot
of times they'll get a team on the way out
to the Maui Invitational and they'll stop Honolulu. They'll play
a game and they'll lose because that team is thinking
about the beach. That team just got off the plane,

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that team's got no got dead legs. You know, they've
been drinking papaya juice for the first time their lives. Miami,
any of us, anyone in broadcasting knows this. The South
Beach flu is real, right like we're freaking out light rightfully.
So I think about this coronavirus. But I can tell

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you that most media members are still recovering and our
immune systems are down from the South Beach flu. And
the South Beach flu is just basically like you feel
like you're in a foreign country. I think there's there's
really two cities in the United States where you feel
like you're in a foreign country. One is Seattle, where

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you do feel like you're in kind of Canada, and
then one is Miami, where you feel like you're in
Central to South America. Right you feel like you could
be in Argentina or in Brazil. You know, there's just
a different sensibility. And heck, you know, it's very easy
and normal to go out to dinner at ten o'clock.
Club clubs are open super late. It's it's just different.

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And you take Philadelphia. They go down there the other
day and they get thumped. Well, they had a day
off between Orlando and Miami South Beach flew. You get
to the playoffs and teams aren't going out, teams are
taking you seriously, and suddenly Miami comes back to reality.
But here's the bigger thing. It wasn't just that they
traded for Iguadala. That's a big thing. Yes, the Lakers

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wanted Iguadala, but they wanted him on the buyout market.
They wanted him for like a million or two million.
They wanted him for nothing. Now he's gonna make thirty
million over the next two years. I know, you look
at Andrea Goodal and you think, okay, well, he was
an All Star and then he was a Finals MVP
during his time with the Warriors. Now did he average

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fewer points every year? Five points a game last year?
Never average double digits? All right, He hasn't played over
thirty minutes a game in the last five years. If
you remember back two years ago when they survived the
Houston Rockets, one of the reasons they struggled with the
Houston Rockets was he was heard and then he got

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hurt again the NBA Finals. He was leaking oil. He
was that car you knew was once upon a time
a beautiful car, a great, an all star caliber car
that you could only drive on weekends. And if you
pay a guy fifteen million year for two years, that's
not a weekend car. That's an everyday car. Andregadala in

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his own words last May, when asked about being hurt
being injured, he said, just a lot of minutes in overuse.
I'm old, Iguadala said, after practice it just flared up
real quick. But we have a good training staff. When
you've been playing for five long seasons, it's bound to
come up. It's rare that you see it. It's hard

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for it to be realized. My career is almost over anyway,
so I really don't care my career. This is last May,
he said, my career is almost be like, well, he
took the first half of the season off, so he's fine. Like, No,
that's not the way it works. You have a pair
of radials, right, some tires and they generally last, you know,
thirty thousand miles and you get to like twenty nine

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thousand miles and they're balding, and you don't drive the
car for six months. The radials don't repair themselves. Like,
That's not the way it actually works, and your body
is the same. It actually becomes harder, not easier. It
This reminds me of like Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Do
you guys remember the problem Ferris Bueller's Day Off at
the end of the movie. You don't remember what happened.

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Cameron's dad had this incredible Porsche right, and he knew
how many miles are on it, and Ferris is like,
don't worry, We're just gonna drive to the city and back.
Spoiler alert by the way, if you haven't seen Ferris
Bueller's Day Off, you know they drive it to some
parking garage and the guy's like, no problem. Then he
drives the car all over Chicago. You get it back.
It's got so many miles, no problem, We'll just put

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it in reverse. It doesn't work that way. That's how
your body's odometer is as well. The idea that Andrea
Wadalla is like punch daily one gonna find the Fountain
of View somewhere in Miami is laughable. Congratulations Andre Godala, Right,
Like I don't hate the player, I hate the game

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unless he's going to that same clinic all those baseball
players went to, which I don't think Andre goodal is,
oh he just got over. Not only do you want me,
but you'll give me another year guaranteed money. Sure, I'll
show up. Fine. You know I only play about twenty
minutes a game. And oh yeah, by the way, I
play center of power forward. Now that's what he did
with the Golden State Warriors. Good luck with that. The

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heat got so Boondoggle got so desperate thinking they were
a championship team. They end up screwing the whole thing
up and giving a guy an extra year who, based
on his own admission, was done last year. Here's John
Goulay with the News. No, no, this is the herd
Line News. Good analogy with Ferris Fueller. However, a Ferrari,

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not a Porsche. It was. That was a beautiful car.
It was a beautiful car. I feel like it was,
you know, needed its credit. So we've been talking about
the potential new contract for Dak Prescott and the Cowboys
for seemingly forever now, and according to team executive vice
president Steven Jones, they want to get something done soon.
He said, quote, we want to get this done. Things
are fixing to heat up. We want to put every

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foot forward and try to grind this out and get
a deal done. Schefter had reported last week that he
basically they felt like the franchise tag for Dak was inevitable. Ultimately,
do you think this becomes a long term deal or
do you think they're going to have to go franchise route.
I think it becomes a long term deal. I look,
remember they only have one franchise tag. They also have
Amari Cooper who trying to negotiate with. And NFL gms

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will tell you that even if you have to overpay
for a quarterback, if you have one, you're better off
with cost certainty, you know. And remember before the league
year ends, they can stick some money on this cap.
And one other thing that people forget about the franchise tag.
Dollar for dollar, it goes against the cap. Whereas you
can have some creative math with your cap. U said,

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you can spread the cap hit out. You can spread
the cap hit out. So it's fixing the heat up.
That that may not be an adjective that you use
here in southern California, but in Texas it's great, fixing
the heat up. I like it. After the Super Bowl,
a lot of media members and angry fans suggested that
the forty nine ers have a Jimmy Garoppolo problem. Some

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people even think they the forty nine ers win or
despite what Jimmy Garoppolo can provide that in spite of
or despite I was just trying to figure it out
in my head as I was saying it, and I
think I went, do we have any English professors out
there who would like to help us feel free? At
Gottlieb shows and Twitter handle? Is it in spite of
or despite? I think both are both work. Either way,

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it works. It's not as good as fixing, but it's
not bad anyway. His coach, Kyle Shanahan does not feel
the same way as those angry fans. Take a listen.
I think Jimmy's one of the main reasons we got
to the Super Bowl. I think he overcame a lot.
This is his first year in his career going through
an entire NFL season, so I mean he still doesn't

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have as many starts and stuff as Baker Mayfield. Um,
so it's I think he had a hell of the
first year truly playing the position. For him to be
like that and to not let the pressure get to
him and to improve as a year, win I think
says a ton about Jimmy and I can't tell you
how much I love coaching the guy as a player
and as a person to share. I think we do.

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Sometimes he brings up a good point that we forget
how how inexperienced he is. Not necessarily young because we've
been talking about him. He's also twenty eight, but he
you know, yes about him, but he does. I mean,
he was the lesser experience of the two quarterbacks in
the Super Bowl, despite being four years older than Mahomes.
Has The criticism of Jimmy Gee been too hardh were
you were pretty hard on him after that game and
on Shanahan has has gone too far? Though, um, look,

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I mean Kyle, forget what Kyle says. Okay, he's not
easy to go. Yeah, he sucked. We really have it.
He's not gonna say that, okay. It based upon their actions,
you will know if they believe what they're actually saying,
because they can't get out of that deal for like
four million dollars. I don't believe they will. Skip has
suggested Tom Brady he's always wanted to be a Niner.

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I do think Tom Brady makes that throw on third
and ten but I don't know if Brady can do
all the other things to get him to that position.
I will say this, I don't think Kyle Shanahan did
him any favors by sitting on the boat, by essentially
trying to take a knee at the end of the
first half. I mean, he was telling you what he thought.
That's that's right. That was a blake. Bortles like, we
don't believe in you, and you can't fool I've said

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this when I was sitting on the couch with Color.
You can't fool players. Players all see that they're like man,
Kyle does not believe that he'll make the right decision right.
On the other hand, he kind of validated Kyle's feelings
based upon how he played the second half. He did
not look confident against the pressure. He missed Kittle clearly
on the third down, and it wasn't that he missed

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Emmanuel Sanders. But you're not supposed to miss long, they're
supposed to miss short. If you do that way, there's
past interference and it wasn't close. So do I think
they have a Jimmy problem potentially? Look, I don't know
the guy as well as Kyle does, John Lynch does.
But based upon what we saw, I would say there's
a severe lack of confidence in those situations. Some of

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that is hurt by the coaches. Like look even the
week before, two weeks before and they're playing the NFCA
Championship game. I know they didn't have to throw it
to win it. You know they have the game in
the bag, but it would have helped his confidence in
those key situations if you would have let a rip
and throw the football. Sum Instead, they just kept running
it and running it and run it. Granted Green Bay
didn't stop it, but sometimes you have to have the

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bigger picture in mind when you're a coach. And I
don't think Kyle did him any favors. Sure, but you
brought up the Emmanuel Sanders throw. If that's on target,
it's the Super Bowl champion and Super Bowl MVP Jimmy
Garoppolo we're talking about. It can be that close potentially.
And finally to the NBA, Jannis and Lebron picked their

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all Star rosters last night as captains of the teams. Uh,
if you don't know, the team is basically summarize, Lebron
drafted all the good ones and Jannis got everybody else.
The starters for Team Lebron are obviously himself. He took
his teammate Anthony Davis first overall. Yes, uh, Kawhi, Luca
don Chitz, and James Harden right makes sense. Yes, these
starters for Team Jannis are himself, Joel Embiid, Pascal Siakam,

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Kemba Walker, and Trey Young. Also, the themes of their
reserves I would say is apparently Yannis just took all
the guys in the East. He apparently wants to go
back to the whole East West format because he got
most of them. Did you get Rudy Gobert? He also
took He also takes several you know, foreign players, but
yes he did. Are you concerned with Jannie's drafting ability?
I definitely want to be in a fantasy football league

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with Yannis. He clearly does not understand how this works.
Uh it, yes, I mean it is one of this
is this is bad, this is not? I mean it
might not, Matt. It ultimately comes down to the matter harder,
it doesn't matter, and I do think like Trey Young
in an All star format or sure he didn't play
defense in the regular season, like it doesn't be like
a regular game for him. I mean, he could easily
drop forty or fifty because he can shoot it so well.

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But it feels like I mean, it feels like he
did the opposite of what anyone would do. It is
a it is in a real game, in a real game.
It's he drafted the Bengals, you know they are That's
what he did. I almost feel like he's pulling the wall.
But this would not be Hey, man, I should be

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a GM when I'm done. No, no, no, no no.
And that's jongle Ay with the news. Well that's the news,
and thanks for stoping the herdline. New Chris Russar joined
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as uh. We are here to recap the trade deadline.
And there's so much better than back when you had

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to break these stories. Oh my gosh, Yes, yes, a
thousand times. Yes. I could just sit back and watch
the stuff happen and then come up with my analysis. Okay,
let's let's work our way backwards. Did we learn anything
about the lakers of the Rockets last night? Obviously it's

(28:15):
one game. I'm not gonna jump to too many conclusions.
I think the look the Rockets may be slightly better
than they were with Capella. It's a gimmicky thing. They're
the new age version of Don Nelson's Bucks and Mavericks
Doug Mo's Nuggets. Here's the problem though, for Houston. It's

(28:36):
not like Daryl Morey went to the GM, went to
Memphis or Charlotte or some other woebegone franchise and turned
them around made them relevant. In Houston, being relevant and
going out in the second round is not enough. You noticed,
Houston's always been a good team. They've had some of
the best players we've ever seen. They've won two championships,

(28:57):
been the four finals, and this two years ago they
had what some people would call the best team ever
down three two going home, you know, took him to
seven games. So all of these moves have been made
with the idea of winning the championship now. So no
matter how dangerous they may be, no matter how much trouble,

(29:17):
say they maybe would give the Lakers in the series
and maybe would take them six or seven, they can't
win the championship this way, and that's the problem. So
I also think the Lakers led him off the hook
to a large degree. Lebron was bigger than any Rockets
player that played, and he took eight threes one for eight,
four in the fourth quarter. Should have been driving the basketball.

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And I know he doesn't post a lot, but or
even just posting, because obviously he could beast people down there. So, look,
the Rockets are there what I thought they were two
days ago. They're fun, they're musty TV, they're sexy. I
gotta I gotta watch them. But I think there're absolutely
no threat to win it in the West. Look, I

(30:04):
wouldn't say no, I wouldn't say no threat. I wouldn't
say no threat because where are they? Do you think
they're the third best team in the West. I'm okay
with that. I'm okay with that. I mean, tell maybe,
I mean, I'd like to see him a little more
and see what Yeah, I mean like, look, I thought
last night, that's a win for analytics. Right, it's not
pure analytics the way in which they're playing, but it's

(30:26):
the idea of you keep trying to post us up.
That's actually an inefficient shot. Right. What you said previously
is you got to be driving the basketball. And they
completely took the Lakers lost their mind. It's a little
bit like a knuckleball in baseball, right, where you just
all you want to do is that you just want
to hit the knuckleball as far as you can, right,
You just want to hit it, hit the hell out

(30:46):
of it, and it can it can really throw you off.
The problem with the NBA is seven games series. Teams
can adjust their rosters, they can adjust to it. You're
gonna have nights like Game seven of the Western Conference
Finals where they don't hit a shot and they're not
a great I mean, we know they take more threes
than anybody, but they're twenty first in the league in
three point percentage, right, But there's a there's a volume.

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It's a volume there. But basically what they did was
they took the death lineup and said, hey, let's play
the death line up the whole game instead of just
the start of the game. I do agree that they
need at least some sort of change of pace, and
they don't have that currently on the roster. It opens
things up for Westbrook. And you saw what he did
because the lanes wide open, correct for the first time
in his career, correct, and you saw how dangerous he was.
Um Okay, one more on last night, and then we

(31:31):
got to get to the heat. I want to get
to some Durant said, and a couple of other things.
Darren Collison sit in courtside or not court side, but
a row back, basically next to Genie Buss. Like this
is like a recruiting visit in college, and you got
Rondo and Caruso playing. Rondo did not look good. It
does appear because they didn't make a move for a

(31:53):
point guard that that's almost a formality. But he didn't.
He could have put the Blaker hat on and the
you know, And I think that's ills with Darren is
he's not certain yet that he's coming back with his
family situation. He's not certain yet from what I'm told.
I do think though, if he comes back, it's the Lakers.
I definitely think that. I know the Clippers won him,

(32:14):
but look, if you were in his position, you're getting
way more time with the Lakers, right. Oh, then the clip,
I mean, I don't know where you get your minutes
on the Clippers. A few minutes here and there, but
for the most part, you're not playing. Yeah, and I
think they're gonna I think they're gonna cut Rondo in
order to make a path for him just because they
feel like Rondo can't be a can't be a bench guy,

(32:35):
whereas Crusoe as even though he kind of even even
though he's bumped into the ceiling and terms out how
good he actually is, he accepts it and thrives in
that role a little bit more. Chris Bruce start to
continues join us. Um Kevin Durant says he's going to
still have his burner accounts. Do we like or dislike

(32:55):
what k D has said? Plus what the hell's the
matter with the seventy six ers. We'll get to that
next with Chris Berusarda'm Doug Golick. This is the Herd.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd week
dayson noon eastern nine am Pacific Doug Gollivian for Colin
This the Herd on Fox Sports Radio and Fox Sports One.
Chris Brussard continues to join us. You can hear Chris's
show The Odd Couple with Crazy Uncle Rob Parker seven

(33:17):
to ten Eastern time at night, that's four to seven
Pacific Coast time on Fox Sports Radio, the iHeart Radio app. Okay,
let's let's let's get to Kevin Durant, who admitted he
will still have a burner phone. He was still like, look,
I shouldn't have done what I've done, but I'll still
have a burner phone. What's your reaction? This is what

(33:38):
I'll say about during because everybody calls him sensitive, which
I get kind of, but I don't think he's sensitive anymore.
Like if he was sensitive, he would not have said
I'm putting out a burner account. You know. So I
think what Kyd is is just a guy that loves

(33:59):
social media and he loves engaging with people. And I
think a lot of people who's going to engage with
with his name attached and others he wants to have
fun and do it without his name attached, and he
can text his friends well no, I mean regular people
like that. He doesn't even know he's he's a people person.
I look, I have this. I know that he's a

(34:20):
people person in general. Yes, like being around him, no,
but like people person on social media. I completely actually
completely get it, Like you know, super Bowl. You know,
I can't tell how many big events I've watched, and
you know, I'm on Twitter and people aroun me like
why are you on Twitter? Like because I I feel
like you're enjoy doing you feel like you're in a
bar of people. I'll just say this about people saying

(34:42):
about the burner burner account deal, just so you know, Okay,
pretty much everyone important in sports and most people in
the world have a I do not have. I do not,
but like I know bosses that I've had, not here,
but in other places, they have burner accoun so they
can check in on people without them knowing they're checking

(35:04):
in on them. That's what they do, Okay, And I'm
guessing our bosses have them as well, and they just
don't ever want to get caught up in retweeting something
they shouldn't retweet, or any of the nonsense of negativity.
But they just want to know what's going on on
what people are saying that. Actually, I would say of
our bosses, and I've worked at three networks, you were
to two, I would say probably seventy five percent of
them have a burner. Wow. Well, here here's the thing

(35:26):
with KD. Now you got those geniuses out there who
are going to be looking for as the burner accounts.
But finally, I've always said this with Kevin Durant, with
the social media if it doesn't affect his ability on
the court, because some guys they're when you're sensitive, it
affects your play. It doesn't affect his play like he
still goes out there and plays as well as anybody

(35:48):
and to his ultimate level. My question has always been
does it negatively impact your quality of life? But he
seems to like it. I wouldn't be into that, but
I do think he's addicted to social media a little bit.
I've I've been guilty of that at times in my life.
I thought the most troubling part is where he now
says that he wanted to leave, you know, halfway through

(36:10):
the season, right, And do you think that impacted his play?
Because that's where again, which which which time they left?
Like he was talking about the thunder like he already
wanted to go. I wanted to go play at the Bay,
which goes counter to everything he's previously. Here's here's the thing.
I was told in November of his last year and
Oksey that he had told someone affiliated like he had

(36:36):
told somebody that I want to go play in Golden State.
I liked the way they play. I was told to
keep it hush hush, and I said something about it
in January, but I didn't know if he was definitely
going to do it. But I I from what I
was told years ago, that was how he was thinking
that I love the way they played. They moved to basketball,

(36:58):
you know here where all I, so I got rust
to deal with so I. When he got there, he
held the basketball. He was he was the ball star
right right now. Then he started championing not the bull.
What the seventy six ers lose again, this one to
the Bucks and b does not play well? Uh, he
says he wants to get back to being the fun
Joel embiid what is going on with the Philadelphia seventy

(37:20):
six ers. They got issues in the locker room. Um,
both Ben and Joel want to be the man, and
I think at this point they're they're young, and they're
both a little more concerned with being celebrities than superstar players.
And Simmons the best evidence of that is that he
hasn't improved his jumper at all. I mean, we heard

(37:42):
this year he's gonna actually shoot it, and yes he
shot it a little more, but too little. Um, look
at Zion, not that he's a great shooter, but you
see improvement. Look at Jannis, not that he's a great shooter,
but you've seen improvement. All these other players are improving
their jumper. Ben hasn't, and I know he's putting in
some work, but not enough, and so that's a there's

(38:05):
a problem there chemistry wise. But Joe LMB saying something
yesterday or the day before that I thought was right
on the money, and I've been saying it for at
least two years. He said, our spacing is the problem.
Everybody's jumping on me for shooting threes, and I've done
that too. But what they have to do, Doug in
the fourth quarters of games, particularly playoffs, to get Simmons

(38:28):
to be guarded, they have to put him near the
basket so the other team just doesn't sag off of
him in double team other guys, and in doing that
today's NBA, you can't have two guys on the block,
So Mbid has to go outside and he might as
well be six to five when he's hovering around the
twenty two foot line. So I agree with him on that. Now.

(38:49):
I think a part of him likes it out there,
but I also think that that is a huge problem
with it. For me, I would do this If I'm
the Sixers, I'm running them. I let this season play
out out. If they go out in the second round
or get smashed in the conference finals, I'm looking at
either trading him, Bead or seeing what I can get

(39:10):
for him, or I'm finding a veteran coach who I
know can handle personalities. I would love a Phil Jackson,
but obviously I think he's he's passed at. I just
it's Mark. I like a Mark Jackson. I know a
lot of people in the league don't like him, but
I think Mark can he magically make Ben Simmons be
able to shoot. And the fact that Simmons jumper hasn't improved,

(39:34):
like I wasn't gonna crush him early in his career
because lots of guys have started magic John jameson non shooter,
I mean Jannis started as a non shooter. He's not
the guy that made five threes against Lakers, you know.
But but it's about work, and it appears he hasn't
put the work in last thing. Would you trade Simmons?
I told Colin this the other day, and you and
I have talked about I think you know the problem

(39:55):
with him, Bead is he's so inconsistent and you're worried
about is the medicals right? He just you just don't know.
I think him beat is the more impactful player. I
think he might be the most talented guy in the
league when he's right, because the Good Lord doesn't make
guys that big, that agile, that's skilled, right, and he's
just beginning to kind of figure out how to play

(40:15):
championship winning basketball, what to do. But like last night,
he's just so up and down. Or as Simmons, more consistent,
less injured, and you do feel like at some point
you'll be able to shoot. I want to ask you
about Leon Rose, who I tweet out is the the
agent version of Tyrelle Williams a Tyroll read Tyroll reads

(40:36):
a basketball player like people think Leon Rose agent super
agent becomes the president of the Knicks. Do you like it? Look,
they've tried everything out. I'll say that's where legends go
to die. Isaiah Thomas, Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, Lindy Wilkins,
they've all struggled there. It's worth a shot. Here's the thing.

(40:57):
Everybody's like, Well, the agent thing works, Okay. Bob Myers
has obviously been great in Golden State, arn't Tellham, who
had more clients than anybody, hasn't been able to do
anything in Detroit. And then Polinka rib Polinka, He's fine,
But let's be honest. The Laker's success is because Lebron
James wanted to come to Hollywood and he got Anthony

(41:18):
Davis here. Outside of that, I can't give Polinka all
this credit for turning around the Lakers. So some agents work,
some don't. Here's the thing with Leon. You know who
his guy is, Worldy West, William Wesley, and so Wes
is the guy that helps get all those guys to
Kentucky and things like that. So if he could help

(41:39):
get players to New York, it could be it could
work out. Yeah, I'll talk about a little bit later.
I mean, like, look, they couldn't even get a meeting
with Kevin Durrett, couldn't get a meeting with Kawai And
I think that's what that's what this has to be about.
Chris Brushok, check him on the Odd Couple a little
bit later on this afternoon. Of course, he'll be on
all the shows here on Fox Sports One come up next.
Dak Prescott has the edge over Jerry Jones because he

(41:59):
knows that Jerry can't help himself. We'll explain next. I'm
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This is the Herd, wherever you may be and however

(42:20):
you may be listening to the show. Thanks so much
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filling in for Colin Cowherd live in Los Angeles on
the iHeartRadio app, on Fox Sports One and Fox Sports Radio.
Rick Bucher will join us this hour. Does he love
or hate what the Warriors did yesterday? I think you'll
be surprised by my response to what the Warriors did yesterday.

(42:45):
These are interesting times in the NFL because though the
season is over, the league's year is not yet. And
when the leagueyear ends now a sudden, the clock starts over.
That's in March. There are a lot of questions that
surround quarterbacks this offseason. Know calling yesterday said hey, Tom

(43:07):
Brady be a great fit with the Dallas Cowboys. Great
Bucky Brooks said, Hey, Tom Brady is a system quarterback.
He's always played in the same system. Though I don't
think that system quarterback is actually a negative. And if
you watch the Patriots and how they played, they've kind
of evolved and changed based upon the personnel and his age.

(43:27):
I do understand. I think what Bucky was and other
people who have gotten at it what I've said, which
is the idea that Brady is going to go play
with a new coordinator and a new head coach, new
offensive line at this stage in his career. It's like, yeah,
I don't I don't see it. I don't see it,
all right. It's like one of those things that I

(43:48):
think that you ever know somebody who's never been married
before and they're like in their forties. I have a
friend like this, Like there are forties they've never been
married before. Like, man, this is mayor. Marriage is not
easy anyway, but in your forties, it's got to be
really hard if you've never been married before, because you've
always done stuff on your own, right, You've always ben

(44:10):
stuff in your own I wait, hold on, I gotta
share a sink, right, Yeah, I actually am. There's a
friend of mine. Who's listening right now? You know he's
like he's always just done his thing, right. We want
our phones on the same cloud. No no no no no
no no no no no no no, same same bank account.
Like I'm not sure, I like certain, I'm itching just

(44:34):
something right. Like you get to a point in life
where you know you've kind of done your own thing
for so long. I think the same occursion people who
have been married for a long time. You've always done
something together. You don't know how to do anything by yourself.
I think that's where Tom Brady is. I don't think
he's not gonna become a Dallas cowboy. That's gonna become

(44:57):
a Charger. So the cowboys are sitting there going like,
all right, look we got Dak is Dak the greatest
quarterback ever. No I like him to Draymond Green, all right,
And you can say, like Charles Barclay's point out to
congratulated Draymond Green on averaging a triple single. But Draymond Green,

(45:17):
when you put great players around him, it's a hell
of a player. We'll talk about the Warriors, but like, look,
Draymond if he's got to score, no, no buy no.
But if your third best player, third best scorers Andrew
Wiggins averaging twenty two a game. Like Draymond doesn't have
to score to be really good. That's Dak. Gim zeke.

(45:38):
Give an offensive line, give him Mary Cooper. They're gonna
have to fix the tight end situation. Ian. Dak's pretty good. Now,
look and stop with the number one offense in football.
They couldn't score against the Patriots. They couldn't score against
they you know, not only they not beat the playoff

(45:59):
teams that they played, they weren't good offensively against the
playoff teams that they played. They feasted on the sisters
of the poor in the NFL. So I don't think
he's great. But I saw this quote from Stephen Jones,
of course, the executive vice president of the Dallas Cowboys.
You said, quote, we want to get this done. Things
are fixing to heat up. We want to put every

(46:22):
foot forward and try and grind this out and get
a deal done. Do you elet me say that in
Texas accent? You wanna try it, truck? Can I try
that one? We won't get this done. Things are fixing
the heat up? Right? Does sound kind of cool when
you say fixing too. We're fixing too. All right, you
don't say you want too, you want to say yonta.
You just you have to you have to understand my luck.

(46:44):
Oklahoma is kind of sort of Texas, right, Like the
part of Oklahoma's like Texas. Part of it's like the Midwest.
Tulsa's more like Saint Louis, Oklahoma City's more like Dallas.
Right now, you know that's not really an I reckon
sort of place. Now, it's not really throw y'all in
like y'all is a comforting sort of word. And fixing two,
I'm fixing two. That means getting ready to the rest

(47:05):
of the world. It's getting ready to I'm fixing it.
I'm fixing the fixed lunch. You can actually double fix
into fixed lunch. But the telling us what you're gonna
do before you're gonna do, it's like, look, we hear it.
We're gonna get this thing done. Let's just everybody take
a breath. Never forget, though, that Dak Prescott is going

(47:29):
to win this contract negotiation. And it's not because Pat
Mahomes is going to sign for one hundred billion dollars.
It's not because he's gonna get more money than Carson
Wentz or you sit there and go like, hey, Jared Goff,
got what I'm better than Jared Goff, even though it
should be pointed out Carson Wentz as should have been
an MVP if he didn't get hurt. And Jared Goff
has played in Super Bowl, two things that Dak Prescott

(47:49):
has never done or been mentioned in you want to
say Garoppolo again? Garoppolo played and played and won an
NFC championship game and then played in a Super Bowl,
of things that Dak hasn't done. And if the argument
for Dak is hey he's a winner, well what they'll
happen this year? He wasn't hurt, the division was down,
they had a soft schedule, they didn't win. But he's

(48:14):
still gonna win this negotiation. You know why because Jerry
Jones is that dad. That's who he is. And by
that dad, I mean he's the dad that sits there
and says, I'm gonna take away your iPhone. Look up
from your phone. We have company over. Put your phone down,

(48:34):
and and and they and they go and they grab
the phone and they put it in the top drawer
and they're mad. You know how your phone for two
weeks and then later on that night, the kid comes
over and says like, hey, Dad, I need my phone
for my homework, phone for your homework. Well, all my
friends were all on a text chain and they know
what assignments, and they know we kind of all do

(48:55):
it in group, and this is how we do it together.
You're like, well, okay, just don't do it again, you know.
I mean, look, I'm that dad, I'm that dad. This
is like a nightly battle. Nightly battle. My son gets done,
gets back from from hoop practice, gets home, we do

(49:15):
the guests supposed to do thirty minutes of reading. Like,
all right, it takes fifteen minutes to get to the gym,
fifteen minutes to get home. Let's read on the way
home from the gym and back done reading, done, homework,
no problem, food, eating, shower, had He's sitting there and
he's on the couch and sports is on TV right,

(49:37):
SVPs on were last night The Lakers on Lakers are on? Like, man, Dad,
can we can we can watch Lakers? Like, let's just
watch like fifteen minutes of Lakers. I'm getting a call
from upstairs. I'm getting text messages, Hey, bedtime, and I
want to be that dad. That's like, look, it's about discipline,
is about getting to sleep. Everybody's happier when everybody sleeps

(49:57):
in your house. Right, when everybody sleeps, everybody's happening. But
this is my son, is my best friend, right, see
my best my dude. All right, man, just just let's
just watch fifteen minutes. That's Jerry Jones. Emmett Smith gave in. Heck,

(50:23):
he even signed once the guy who was played for
the Carolina Panthers, and then he got in trouble for
domestic violence. And now he's an MMA. Greg Hardy right,
like he's he's a bleeding hard dude. I didn't say
he's bleeding heart liberal. I just said he's a bleeding
heart dude. He's like, well, you know he's a changed guy, Greg,

(50:44):
anyone's a change guy, not at all now. He he
always would give in to Dez Bryant. Heck, the reason
he couldn't fire Jason Garry's because his former players are
like his kids. And he's the guy. He's the dad
that says I'm gonna turn the car around. He never
turns the car around. He never turns it around. Ezeki

(51:09):
Elliot this year wasn't Ezekiel. It's turned to get paid,
could have played it in the fifth year option. There's
no reason. And look you look around the NFL and
from Todd Gurley, who I don't know if you guys
seen this. Like the Rams are stuck with Todd Gurley.
They don't know what to do. They're gonna meet with him.
They can't. They can't cut him because like twenty six
million against the cap, no one wants to trade for

(51:30):
that contract, and he can't play all the time. So
you're compared to Todd Gurley's contractor Levion Bell's contract. The
Jets like Levion Bell's contract so much they fired the
GM who signed it. So we're gonna that's the contract.
We're gonna give it to Zeke Eellett. Why because Jerry
can't help himself. Can't help himself. Put down that iPad,

(51:53):
pay a tent. Let's just take a breath and have
a conversation. And the kid picks back up the iPad,
do it again, losing it for two weeks, put it
in the top drawer. The kids got it out later
that day. That's who he is. He's a twenty twenty parent.
How can you have such a political offense, such a

(52:14):
talented defense, and not win. Not really disciplined, right, not
really disciplined? And why aren't you disciplined? Because the guy
in charge right in the checks always gives into the players, always, always, always, hell,
Dez Bryan's working out. He wants to play for the Cowboys.
Of course Jerry Jones gonna bring him back. You know why,

(52:35):
because he can't help himself. He shouldn't. Des didn't have
the greatest things all the time to say about the
Dallas Cowboys, or the coaching staff or how things ended. Look,
it was time to move on. Des Brian was so
good that it took him till the end of the
year and only the New Orleans Saints would pick him up.
And he towards kill. He's tending like Cowboys were right

(52:55):
for moving on, But he's probably gonna give Dez another shot.
And you know why, can't help himself. And Dak Prescott
knows that play the long game. Ask for more money
than you possibly should, not just because of Pat Mahomes,
or because of golf, or because of Garoppolo, or because
of Wentz, but because the guy who actually signs the
check is going to give in at the end of

(53:17):
the day, he's going to take the iPad out of
the top drawer and give it back to the kid,
even though he said he's going to take it for
two weeks. That's who Jerry is, and that's who I am.
I want to be tough. I want to be disciplined, okay,
but I also don't want to be hated. Right. I

(53:37):
don't want dad issues when my kids are in their forties.
All right, come up next, what exactly is wrong with
the seventy six ers? The answer might surprise y'all. Share
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(54:00):
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They taken on the Roughnecks coach by June Jones MEMB

(54:22):
when June Jones was the head coach in Hawaii. They
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I want more football? Cool. It's on TV this weekend
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And of course you're on Fox Sports one. Doug Gotliebin

(54:43):
for column. This is the Herd on Fox Sports trading
in the iHeartRadio app. Look Inside the NBA is a
great show. It's a great show for a myriad of reasons,
mostly because Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley is a former Philadelphia
seventy six ers. Sixers get blown out. I wasn't blown out.
They didn't make it competitive at least with the Milwaukee Bucks.

(55:04):
Get beaten by the Milwaukee Bucks. And here's Chuck on
the Sixers. I think they are the softest, mentally weakest team.
It had a bunch of talent. They are the Cleveland
Browns of the NBA. They got a lot of talent
Browns and they talked the talk and that's it. The

(55:25):
difference between Yannis and is force. Jane is playing with
force in playing so yeah, I mean like this is
kind of classic shock. Look and b did not play well. Um,
they're different players. Look, I just think that the deal

(55:47):
is this, Um Ben Simmons, who I was on this
show and I said I believed he was the most
talented one and done that we'd ever had in college basketball. Now,
what happens when you say talented is people think that
talent is all that matters. That means you'll be the best. Obviously,
Kevin Durant had an incredible year at Texas scoring wise, Hey,

(56:11):
but his body wasn't ready yet. He had a lot
of his game to develop at the defensive end. Simmons
who kind of built his game to model among other
people lamar Odom. Right, people think that he wanted to
be Lebron. There was some Lebron, There was some magic,
but there was a lot of lamar Odom. Simmons is

(56:31):
a remarkable talent. People like he's a Rookie of the Year.
The problem with Simmons is is he a winning basketball player?
Does he care more about winning than anything else? Obviously
his jump shooting has not, Like he had won three
and people win, Twitter goes crazy, right, he has not,

(56:54):
And I'm not saying he doesn't work, but he has
not put in the work to make himself the type
of shooter you have to be in the NBA. And look,
this is coming from somebody who if you want to
know why I didn't make it wasn't because I was short.
That doesn't help. It was because it could shoot. And
it's even more important now. And if he was, if

(57:16):
he was on the Bucks, I actually think he'd be
better off because well, I mean, look, Jannie is not
a great shooter. Now he'll shoot threes even even though
he doesn't shoot a great percentage, and he's improved. But
what they do is they put four shooters on the
court with him, so there's nobody in the lane. You
can't do that with Embiid, who was trying to post up,

(57:37):
and then Ben Simmons, who's got to drive to the basket.
They're a bad fit. And they're also bad fit in
terms of personalities, right. Ben Simmons wants to be Hollywood
Joel Embiid wants to be everybody's best friend and a
joker and silly, and it just doesn't work. I looked
for years, Ben Simmons wasn't on the Australian national team.

(58:00):
It's just this something about him that other dudes didn't dig.
It wasn't that they don't like his talent, like his talent,
but there's something about that he didn't do. He wasn't
a little things guy. Like remember, if you think of
the Australian national team, you think of guys like Matthew
Dellavedova who have a fraction of the god given talent
of a Ben Simmons. But they play incredibly hard, all right,

(58:25):
They're incredibly tough, they make shots and they they feel
better when others are succeeding. Like, that's not Simmons. You
can tell me he's all about winning all you want,
but you follow him on Instagram. It ain't about winning.
It's glam shots every day in front of a car,
in front of a plane from a tiger, Like you

(58:50):
want to know why, That's why I don't care about you?
Like what is the Lebron James saying? Keep the main thing,
the main thing, Keep the main thing, the main thing. Hey, dude,
you are making this league, getting a gym and staying
a jim, getting a jim and staying a jim. And
I actually think part of his turning down jump shots
that are wide open as smart you know, like, don't

(59:11):
get got into shot. You're not counting, but you gotta
what is your game shot? What can you make because
you're hurting the team by not taking those shots, believe
it or not, Like you actually have to coach him
the opposite of everybody else. Everybody else right when they
when they take bad shots, you take him out for him.

(59:32):
When he turns down a good shot, you gotta take
him out. You're open, you have to shoot the ball.
He is killing the seventy six ers by forget his
lack of makes his lack of takes day. You gotta
take it and if you don't, you gotta come out.
I think some of that criticism is on the nose

(59:52):
from Chuck. I don't know Shack. Everybody's soft Compared to Shack,
this is the old player that Everybody's soft league used
to be tougher. He's not wrong some of that. A
lot of that's the officiating. But Joel Embiid is a
continues to refine his talent. He had a bad night
last night. And I do think that Embiad has some

(01:00:13):
holes in his game, but it feels like he continues
to shore them up, and I give you combine the
two players. This just feels like a bad fit. We
were talking about marriage. This is one where they're walking
down the aisle and somebody's like six months, all right,
six months, give it six months. Here we are a
couple of years in and we're postponing the inevitable. That's

(01:00:35):
what we're doing. Let's get to John Gala with the news. No, no,
this is the herd Line News sponsored by Liberty Mutual Insurance.
Only pay for what you need, so Doug. Anytime you
have a top quarterback prospect expected to go number one
and a historically inept franchise with the first pick, whiskers

(01:00:57):
always start about the player potentially refusing to go to
that team. It worked out for Elway, he didn't go
to the Baltimore Colts, won two Super Bowls with the Broncos.
Worked out for Eli won two Super Bowls with the Giants,
didn't go to the Chargers. Now people are wondering if
Joe Burrow might do the same thing his father, Jimmy
Burrow tried to put some water on that fire in

(01:01:18):
a text to a local Fox reporter in Cincinnati. Didn't
really get the flames out, he said, I'm not sure
where that information is coming from. We are all excited
that Joe has put himself in a position to be
considered as a possible high draft choice. What's wrong with that?
It doesn't say he's totally happy to go to Cincinnati. Well,

(01:01:39):
I'm sure he's probably parsing his words because he doesn't
Maybe he thinks he can't see Cincinnati. I don't know.
Look the kids from Ohio. He's going to be the
number one oll pick. He's going to the Bengals and
they're gonna draft him, and if he doesn't want to play,
they're gonna sit. They're gonna hold on to his rights,
and he's not gonna sit for a year. It's not happening.
So I just I understand that Jordan Palmer trains him,
and that Carson Palm said on our air, I wouldn't

(01:02:02):
go play for the Bengals. So it was a long
time ago when Carson walked. And the reason Carson walked
and I you know he's a friend, was because when
he signed that huge contract before he heard his knee,
they promised him some things things were changing, and they
didn't change. But like before we go crazy over the
Bengals being atrocious the past two years. Previously that they
were a playoff team or a playoff contender, they were,

(01:02:23):
so do I think they are more functional and dysfunctional. No,
I think they got a lot of holes. And in
all honesty, they'd probably be smart to trade that pick. Sure,
because they need players. They have an atrocious defense, but
the kids from Ohio is number one quarterback. They need
a quarterback. They're gonna move on from Andy Dalton. Joe
Burrow is going to be the guy. People are gonna

(01:02:44):
need to deal with it. I get you. I guess
my only issue would be why not just come out
and say, like no one has said I'm not going
to do that, I'm totally cool. Like he hasn't said that.
He could end all of this right. He could just say, like, no,
I hey, I would love to play for Incinnati if
I'm lucky enough to be taking number one. Done, he
won't say it, which means it's at least crossed his mind.

(01:03:06):
I don't think there's any doubt it's it's it's crossed
their mind. Right, Miami wants him, and you know, and
mister Ross, who owns the team, has come. You know,
everybody thinks like that's a great place and they have
all these picks and they're gonna rebuild things or whatever.
I just like, look the bate, this is funny. Um.

(01:03:27):
Last year I did play by play play by play
for the Bengals game against the Saints, and the Saints
didn't punt the entire day. And remember, going into I
think the last two weeks of the season. This is
last year before they fired Barbin, they had the worst
defense in the history of the NFL. Yeah, I was
up there and I was talking to an NFL GM
buddy of mine and he was like, look, anybody else

(01:03:49):
in the NFL fires their defensive staff after a team
doesn't punt a home game. That that embarrassed except the Bengals.
It's like the Andy Dalton thing. Anybody else in the
NFL would have traded Andy Dalton except the Bengals. They
do things their own way. And while he can say,
you know, not say we want to be a Bengal
in Borrow can say it, the Bengals are going to

(01:04:10):
take him come hell o, hia, hell or high water.
After having trouble picking his All Star team last night,
or perceived trouble. Janie actually went on to pretty much
destroy the seventy six ers Night one twelve one on one.
He had thirty six points and twenty boards, and after
the game he actually talked about why he's so glad
his team didn't make any moves at the deadline. You know,

(01:04:34):
I think we had the best team in the NBA.
We have the best ever in the NBA. For me,
I think this should not be, you know, any change,
and thank god there wasn't. I think the guys that
we have, you know, the teams that we're having, the
team is amazing right now. The guys that we have,
they're playing great, and um, you know, these the guys
that I'm gonna go to Ward with is the guys

(01:04:55):
I've been going to Ward with whole season. And I'm
happy that we still have the same team. Is there
anyone in the East that could knock them out of
the playoffs or do they have a pretty clear path
to the finals? Oh? Well, I think the Celtics Sian
knocked them out. I really actually do. I don't. I'm
not buying the Raptors thing. People are like, oh man,
the Raptors last year, Like look, the Raptors are great,

(01:05:19):
but they needed an incredible role on a Kauai shot
and then they needed everybody for Golden State to get
hurt in order to win that. Yeah, so you know,
now you lose. Kauai Raptors have great culture. I don't
think you're winning the great culture. I think the Celtics
could look but we got to see in the playoffs
from youngest and the Celtics are one of the few
teams built with a Jason Tatum and other players of

(01:05:42):
that size that you feel like could marginalize him some,
marginalize him some. But this is kind of classic spin, right, like,
if you don't make a trade, it's because we love
our chemistry and we love our guys. If you do
make a trade because we just were one or two
pieces away, doesn't mean the Bucks won't acquire a guy.
They're not gonna do in the trade market. They may

(01:06:03):
do in the Bay A market. And finally, the Lakers
were unable to bring in anyone at the trade deadline,
Clippers beat them out for Marcus Morris. They had been
hoping andre Igodala would get bought out. Turns out that
he decided to trade for him and give him a
bunch of money. So now it's on to Plan B.
The retired Darren Collinson. Collinson was seen at the Lakers
game last night in the second row, right around Jenie Bus.

(01:06:26):
He unexpectedly retired in the off season, but reports have
been out there that he is contemplating a comeback. He's
only thirty two years old. Do the Lakers need point
guard help? You've talked about that before in the show. Yes,
this is the only move left to make pretty much.
How much of a necessity is it for them to
convince him to come out of retirement and join the Lakers.

(01:06:46):
I think it's a huge necessity. I mean because if
not the Lakers, he goes to the Clippers. But this
was kind of part of their plan. Remember he was
set to become a Laker and then he decided to
retire and he's been working out. Look, you don't go
sit courtside the Lakers, no, unless you're that was a
recruiting visit. My only question is why did the UCLA
guys taken to monies afterwards that that's where you close

(01:07:07):
the deal. Why didn't you go to monies and have
a good steak and close the deal last night if
you're Lebron, you gotta go close this thing, and it's
gonna be hard because you are friends with Rondo. Right,
everybody loves Caru. So Quinn Cook has you know, had
all these emotions because of Kobe. That's fine, do we
this is a business. We need Darren Collison. So I
don't think he goes to the game unless he was

(01:07:29):
pretty sure. That's that he's like what do they call
it in commitment? It's like a strong lean somewhere. Well, Also,
you don't sit like it's one thing to go to
the game. You're sitting next to Jamie Boss in a
second row. So clearly in your mind the night that
the trade deadline comes and goes and the Lakers don't
make a move for a point guard, like, come on,

(01:07:50):
what do you think he's there for? I just can't
believe he didn't have the multiple hats, like at halftime, right,
he's got a Clipper's hat, he's got a I don't know,
throw and somebody's got a heat hat everybodys booing, or
a warrior's hat, king's hat, and then he puts a
Laker's hat on, and then he puts on the Lakers
had the place goes crazy. I was missing from last night.
That's John Glay with the news. Well that's the news,

(01:08:13):
and thanks for stopping by the herd line. Let's bring
in Rick Buker. Of course you see him on Fox Sports,
one longtime NBA sage who looks fresh and wrested because
he didn't have to do all that nonsense breaking story stuff.
Leabe that to everybody else and like constantly staring at
your phone. Okay, can I go with it now? Can
I go with it? Can I go with it now?

(01:08:35):
The biggest move pulled off yesterday was done by who,
I would say the Clippers acquiring Marcus Morris. Now was
that a most impactful move? Was that a a block? Right?
Was that a yes? A block move? Let's just we
we know that the term right where it's like, I

(01:08:56):
don't it's not that we want him. We don't want
you to have. No, I wouldn't go that far. No, no, no, no,
no no no, yeah no, I wouldn't go that far.
Because they did want to add front court depth. They
were going to use Mo Harkless and the number one
pick to add a front court player of some kind.
If it hadn't been Marcus Morris. I think they would

(01:09:18):
have taken a run at that young with the Chicago Bulls.
They wanted that because they're looking, they are looking across
the hallway and they're looking at that size. And even
though they won both matchups, they're like, we get into
a playoff situation, we don't want to have to rely
on Zooboch and Montrez Harrold as our basically our only
two post players unless we throw Kawhi Leonard in there

(01:09:39):
at Paul George don't don't necessarily want to do that.
So it was that it was it was blocking both
ways though, to be honest with you, and that the
Lakers and I was on Undisputed when I said I
believe that he's going to be a Laker. They were
literally while I was on the air, the Knicks and
the Lakers were talking, and the Lakers at that point,

(01:10:01):
after twenty four hours of talking Kus and everything else,
pulled Kyle Kuzma off the table and the clips. The
Knicks basically said, oh, if kuz isn't in it, we're
gonna go to the other guys. And they they knew
they could do that deal if Shammont wasn't Landry Shammont
wasn't in the deal, so it was sitting there for them,
and that's ultimately how it came down. And I think

(01:10:23):
it was it is a battle. It looked, There's no
question it's a turf battle, and whoever got Marcus Morris
was going to feel like they won the day. Okay,
Darren Collinson showing up the Lakers game, isn't that a
win for the Lakers? Yes, I would say so, especially
because the Clippers played the night before against the Heat,
and there's no rule that a retired guy can't show up,

(01:10:44):
you know, before the trade deadline to take in a
game of the team of his choice. So yeah, I
would say that Collinson is going there. And honestly, in
terms of deciding who's in a better place right now,
I've said this year, I think the are the better,
deeper team. Marcus Morris only makes them better and deeper.

(01:11:04):
But I do want to see the buyout market and
I want to see what Darren Collison decides to do,
because I believe Rob Polinka deserves that. He has earned
that people pan this team at the beginning of the
year with the pieces that he put together, and ultimately
these pieces have come together and have the best record
in the Western Conference. So he doesn't have a whole

(01:11:25):
lot to play with. But I'm going to give him
the benefit of the doubt until I see what happens.
Why would he give Andre Goadala another year because it
was the only because he didn't want to go there.
I know that wasn't on his life. I understand. But
he barely made it through the last two seasons. Yeah,
he said he was done and now he's not done it.
It's a fair question. I don't have the answer as

(01:11:47):
to where his mindset is. Is whether he's like he
can play thirty six holes, like we're talking about thirty
six Oh can you play thirty six minutes? Yeah? No, no,
thirty six minutes in one night? Yes, no, that's not no.
I mean yeah, but then he'd be done. They were
one they were not one piece away. I don't I
don't understand, Like if you're one piece away, like you
need a championship player, a deep playoff run. Remember he

(01:12:10):
played the four or the five with the Warriors, Like,
I don't know if he fits well. But here's here's
the thing. For where the heat are, there's no question
that he makes them better they are. You always think
of the Heat as this grinding team, defensive oriented team.
They're an offensive they're a good offensive team. Now they're
a mediocre defensive team. His ability to organize, he's a

(01:12:34):
mediocre offensive player at best. But that's fine. That's why
it fits because you've got plenty of offense. You have
the offense that you need. That's why he worked in
Golden State. That's why I believe he'll work in Miami.
Where you need him is you need him to organize
your defense. You need him to make sure that everybody's
in the right place, and he can still get it
done in short minutes at the defensive end of the floor. Okay,

(01:12:56):
I don't I don't love it, um clearly not know.
But look I liked I liked him on the buyout market.
Like if if you get him for two million dollars,
he's not going to Miami on the buyoup I'm saying
for the Lakers. Like people like like Colin said here
was like, hey, the Lakers want him, Yeah, they wanted
him at two million dollars. They don't want him at
fifteen for two years. Well, Memphis wasn't going to do that,

(01:13:16):
and Memphis really honestly, it ended up well for everybody.
But they wanted him to come into training camp and
just while they're trying to get a deal worked out,
show up. He didn't want to show up, so they
weren't in the They weren't inclined to do him any favors,
and they knew if he went to the buyout market,
he was going to la um. Okay, I want to
talk to you about the Warriors and what they did,

(01:13:37):
and if you like or don't like that trade, I'll
give you my hold on it's a total two. We
have to talk about this why they're not a good team.
The Timberwolves are not a good team, and they draft
and they just traded for a player who does it.
He's not a winning player, right, they had one. I
understand they a good player that's not a winning player.

(01:14:00):
I got it. But I actually love it for the Warriors,
I too. Okay, well, all right, we'll get to that
of coming next in the Herd. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Eastern a
Empacific or Colin. This is the Herd. Rick Buker continues
to join us. T J. Hushman Zada next hour. M Okay,

(01:14:21):
I watched Fox Sports one all day. I love my
guy Nick. Right, he is mister Houston Rockets, so he's
having a good day. He does not like the Golden
State Warriors, and he's killing the Golden State Warriors trade
because they went out and they got Andrew Wiggins for
D'Angelo Russell. Andrew Wiggins is gonna make a lot of
money over the next three years. Right, Do you like

(01:14:43):
the trade for the Warriors? Yes, I mean they didn't
have a whole lot of options, but they had hoped
that when they got D'Angelo Russell that he was going
to absorb the Warrior's culture, and no happened, and he
did not. Yes, and so I don't know if Andrew
Wiggins will, but you at least get to find out,

(01:15:04):
and you get a first round pick back, so they
salvage that because they had to give one up in
getting D'Angelo in the first place. By the way, Cal
heard tweeting out pictures on a ski lift right now,
So thanks Colin for watching the show. I know he's
got a got a well earned day off. Um, this
is interesting. Um. Steve Kers said this on Andrew Wiggins
Minnesota needed him to be a star. We're not asking

(01:15:25):
him to be a star. We're asking him to play
a role on a team that already has some star players.
Now that may be hard for Andrew Wiggins to take initially,
but this could make his career, right. I don't like Andrews.
It's like, what people don't like about Andrew Wiggins that
have coached and played with Andrew Wiggins is he's not
an alpha. Well, guess what they have an alpha? They

(01:15:45):
have a beta, you know they. I mean, the defensive
alpha obviously is Raymond. The offensive alpha is Steph Curry.
He didn't have to and and like Colin said, he's
basically a Canadian. Harrison Barnes, I think he's I think
he's better than Prison Barnes. Yeah. And the question is
going to be does he want to be treated like
an alpha? Does he want to be treated like a star.

(01:16:08):
He's not he doesn't have that DNA to be the
leader of your team, But does he want the treatment
that comes with being the star? I'm not gonna There
are plenty of players that are not alpha's that don't
want to do all the intangible things that require that
are required of a leader, but they want all the
perks that come with being a leader. That's the end,

(01:16:28):
that's the question we don't have. But he also like
physically being having to play three. The opportunity there is
that the opportunity is there for Wiggins to turn this
and make this successful. And you never know when a
guy gets traded for the first time, like is that
a shock to the system that makes him realize, oh,
I gotta do something different if I want to make

(01:16:50):
a mark in this league. We will see, But it's
worth the gamble for the Warriors to do that because
DeAngelo Russell was never going to work with the way
he doesn't have the Golden State Warrior's DNA. No. Well, first,
in terms of playing D'Angel Russell is a ball screen guy,
and when the Warriors are right, they run the fewest
number of ball screens of anybody in the NBA. And

(01:17:11):
if they do, it's going to be with the correct
correct And then and then there's the kind of chemical
makeup of he wants to be the alpha, right and
he's not a culture guy like like Brooklyn loved their
culture last year and they let him walk out the door.
What does that? What does that tell you they sat
him in the fourth quarter In a lot of game
Spencer Dinwinny is a Spencer Didnwinnie is not as prolific

(01:17:34):
a score, may not have the Knights of fifty points.
But they like Spencer Didnwinny better and Spencer did. He
makes less money. That should be pointed out. I agree.
I again everyone, we do this all the time. We
had these imaginary scenarios of what the Warriors should have done.
There aren't that many options of guys you can get
to be a third scorer and to buy in and
guys that can sacrifice. Here you go. We don't know

(01:17:55):
if it's a perfect fit, but if I told you
that next year, they'll have Steph who's fresh rested, right,
They'll have Clay who's fresh rested, although coming off a nique.
They'll have Draymond. They'll have Andrew Wiggins, and then you
got Eric Pascal, you got Kevon Looney, and then whatever
they do with the number one pick or next year's
number one pick on Minnesota, like they can, they'll probably

(01:18:17):
get a plethora of a couple veteran players to go
with it. Like the lawyers are back. Sorry wait wait
who They'll be a good team they will be a
good team. Are they going to be a contending team? Yes, No,
they're not going to be a contending team. They have
Steph Curry and Clay Thompson and Draymond Greene and Andrew Wiggins.

(01:18:38):
You need to see all three of those guys back
and what they are when they get back. Look. But again,
the second part is you're we're immediately elevating Eric Pascal
and Andrew Wiggins into guys that are going to be
primary rotation players on a contending team. Yeah, you don't
have to look. Yeah they I haven't even seen him

(01:18:59):
in the playoffs. I've seen neither one of those guys
in a single playoff game, much less under then trying
to get to the next round. Assuming Steph Curry is
back and the only he acceptered a hand injury, right,
it's not like he's debilitating back injury or yeah, there
was some nerve damage in there. He looks pretty good

(01:19:20):
shooting half court shot. He does that. Okay, so we
can assume he's a two time MVP. Yes, he's a
first ballot Hall of Famer. Yes, he's only thirty years old.
He'll be fine. Yes, well, okay, I really Honestly, I
believe this is the element that people are sleeping on
a little bit, is that when Kevin Durant came in,
there's there's been a residual effect on clay On Staff

(01:19:44):
and dream On. They're not the same player. They weren't
the same players last year they were and the league
and the league's caught up. They don't have that that
shock value of the way they play. So I just
there's some intangible elements of what the cost of the
five year run was physically, even on the studs that

(01:20:05):
I don't think that people are taking into account that
bringing Kevin Durant in camouflage. No, there's no there's there's
no question like, look, I've said it's on this show,
and Katie is doing himself no favors with his comments.
But I believe that that as much as Kevin Durant
needed the space that Golden State created so he could

(01:20:26):
show that he was needed to, they needed him because
the league was catching up. And because he was he
was not only an a lixer on offense, he was
a magic magic eraser on defense because he could he
could he could hide Steph Curry defensively or as other
others simply simply could not. Um, I do want to
ask you about Kevin Durant. And now he's saying, look,

(01:20:48):
I was gonna leave Oklahoma City all along. I was
gonna leave the Warriors all along, and I'm gonna keep
the Burner account. Yeah, so everything he said previously was
BS and now he's telling the truth and he's not
gonna hide from what you read on Kadi. It's gonna
be different tomorrow. Like I know, these two are made
for each other, right. He got Kyrie Irving, who thinks

(01:21:11):
he's the smartest guy on earth, who no one can
stand but he's crazy talented. And he got Kevin Durant, who,
by all accounts he's a great dude. Okay, but he's
just he just can't help himself on social media and
keeps trying to explain why he did what he did
five years ago, last year, whatever. They're great players, but man,
they just they can't help themselves. Katie doesn't get the

(01:21:34):
sense that Katie doesn't like this description, But Katie is
really still trying to figure out who he is. Yes,
and Kyrie Irving is too. Kyrie Irving just is adamant
that he's already knows exactly who he is, and so
he plays it a little bit different. But they're in
the same boat, and this pairing is more talented. I

(01:21:55):
hate to make the comparison, but this pairing scares me
as the nucleus of a team, yes, almost as much
as Karl Anthony Towns and D'Angelo Russell scare me as
the nucleus of a team. Not quite as much. The
Minnesota pairing, to me, is a disaster waiting to happen.
But this is not that Farmart. The Knicks have Leon

(01:22:18):
Rose running their basketball franchisees would they have gotten at
least an interview with Kevin? What did it change? Because
I believe what they did it because look last summer
they couldn't even get an interview and a dinner with
Kauhi and with Kevin Rent. That's what this is about, right, well,
this is that's what this is about. That is what
this is about. I just I'm at the point now

(01:22:40):
where everybody wants to know who's Leon Rose and what
are his management skills and can he finally be the
elixir that gets them there? Jim Dolan never hands over
the keys to the car. He says, he's handing over
the keys to He did it to Isaiah, and Isaiah
and it into the gutter. He did to Phil Jackson.

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He ran in the gutter. He No, you cannot. It
is impossible to separate what the decisions that are being made,
the decisions that are being made by the person who's
in charge, and the decisions that Jim Dolan says, I
want you to do this. It happens, It has happened,
it will continue to happen. And it's just there's the way,

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there's the analogy. Okay, by the way, Leon Rose, it's
an upset. He's actually a white guy, but Leon Rose
is Jim Dolan's black friend, right Like it's all of
a sudden makes him like, you're not cool. You know
you could still be a racist and have a black friend,
right you just you can? And by the way, can
I a service announcement for we got five seconds? Yes?
That keep yelling sell the team. When you say you

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say that, it makes makes it more adamant that he's
going to keep it. It makes it worse. What we
saw last night in La from the Rockets really is
a win for analytics. Get to that next in the
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(01:24:07):
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(01:24:30):
this weekend. College hoops sixty two college hoops games last
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of course you got an all weekend long and then
you got XFL coverage on Big Fox. It's gonna be
a great weekend of sports. Welcome in Hope, You're hope
you're having a wonderful Friday. T J. Spins Out is

(01:24:53):
going to join us. I do want to talk about
the Rockets and what we saw from them last night,
and the lesson in small ball, in the lesson in
some all ball. But I want to start with Tom Brady,
Thomas Edward Patrick Brady, who I do not believe or
I used to always say he's not the greatest quarterback ever.

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But Aaron Rodgers is the greatest quarterback ever. Checks all
the boxes now, Pat Mahomes, now that he's won the
Super Bowl, check so many of those boxes. But when
you've accomplished what he's accomplished as consistently as he's accomplished it,
there's something to it, right, Like I get stat guys,
I understand stat guys. If stats determine who the best was,

(01:25:40):
Russell Westbrook is the greatest player in the history of
modern basketball. No one's ever averaged triple double in modern
day basketball since the Big Oh he's done it three
consecutive years. Right, If we're going by stats, there's your greatest.
But there it's more to it, right, It's not just
field goal effective field goal percentage. What you do in
the second half. Pat Mahomes didn't play great in the

(01:26:03):
Super Bowl, but he played great in the fourth quarter?
Competitive greatness? Can you play great when greatness is called upon? Pat?
Tom Brady did that last year in the Super Bowl.
He didn't play well last year. Super Bowl was a
terrible football game. Thank god it wasn't on Fox. It
was an awful watch. Wasn't anything like what we saw Sunday.
It wasn't. But in the fourth quarter or an important drive,

(01:26:25):
Brady found a way Edelman, Edelman, Edelman, Gronk, Gronk, Gronk,
Edel mcgronk, edelm mcgronk, touchdown fourteen three. They win the game,
confetti falls, sixth ring and it's it's interesting. Look, I
don't think he's nearly what he used to be, and
he's gotten to a place where he has to have

(01:26:46):
a lot more help. And the irony too, Tom Brady
wanting what I think amounts to a Jordan type of contract. Okay,
Michael Jordan, if you remember it, and this show segment
is going to be a lesson in Michael Jordan, because
people seem to have taken all different sorts of meaning

(01:27:07):
into what, who and what Michael Jordan was. Hey, Michael
Jordan never made five million dollars a year in his
regular season in his contracts up until his last two years,
where he made thirty million dollars both those two years.
And that's really what people believe that Brady wants, Like
hey man, put some respect in it. Give me a
nice little payday, a little payback for all those other years.

(01:27:29):
Why on the cheap. The problem with that is the
problem with it is with the salary cap and with
Brady in the state that he is agewise, you need
that money because that money will help you get wide receivers,
tight end, help, more help, more, better offensive line. So

(01:27:50):
there's a there's a catch twenty two to it, right, Like,
you want to play Brady, You're fine paying Brady, but
there's a limit to it because you need to sprinkle
that around. And he's not really a top five, top
ten quarterback anymore, even if historically he's arguably the greatest
of all time. But I heard a mischaracterization of both
Brady and Jordan that I wanted to point out. Okay,

(01:28:16):
I like Buggy Brooks. He's a former NFL player, works
in the NFL network. All right, But and and part
of this is not we take we there's words that
are not actually bad words that we consider bad words.
I'll give you one mediocre mediocre. Ah, it's a mediocre stake,
it's a mediocre salad. He's a mediocre player. What does

(01:28:39):
the word mediocre actually mean average average. If I said
Tom Brady is a mediocre quarterback, immediately you believe that
is a negative. But if there's thirty two quarterbacks in
the NFL and he's mediocre, that puts him somewhere in
the what thirteen fourteen to eighteen nineteen variety. Like we're

(01:29:04):
not saying that he's Mitch Dubisky, right, We're not saying
that he's fools. We're not saying we're not saying that
he's a Andy Dalton, although maybe Andy Dalton is his
equal at this point in both of their careers. We're
saying he's somewhere in the middle, Like, look, there's thirty
two dudes on Earth who can do this, and he's

(01:29:27):
somewhere in the neighborhood of I don't know, fourteen to
seventeen or eighteen or nineteen or twenty. Mediocre is means average.
Look up the dictionary definition. So when people say he's
a system quarterback, we automatically think that's a negative. Now
it can be. We should also point out that I

(01:29:48):
think what most people mean now when they say Tom
Brady is a system quarterback is tom Brady's only played
one type of verbiage one sort of system. But the
truth is it's evolved several times. When he first became
the quarterback, they were running team. Remember they signed Corey Dillon.
It was a big They signed Corey Dillon from the

(01:30:09):
Bengals and he helped him win a championship. Then they
everything was a screen pass. They became the first team
to really they along maybe with the before them, the Rams,
to use the screen pass to use running backs out
of the backfield. That ultimate Mike Mark's mismatch running back
on a linebacker. That was their their big third down play.
Then they got Randy Moss and it was they were

(01:30:32):
He threw the best deep ball in the league, fifty
touchdown passes. Then of course he had Welker, who was
the best third down wide receiver in the league, maybe
in the history of the league. And more recently he
had Gronk, he had Edelman, and then they became a
power running team last year two years ago. Excuse me,
but here's Bucky Brooks on speak for yourself talking about

(01:30:53):
Tom Brady in the offense that he's in. He's a
system quarterback who has played in a great system that
produced a lot of winning because that same system helped
Matt Castle go eleven and five when Tom Brady wasn't
available to the knee. Tom Brady at this stage of
his career, he needs the system more than ever. Like
if we're talking about Michael Jordan, the one thing you

(01:31:14):
can never question about Michael Jordan, he was a transcendent player.
He was transcendent in college. He was transcendent from the
time he's stepped into the league. We can never say
that Tom Brady was transcendent coming into the league. Okay,
how many years in the league did he win his
first Super Bowl? I think it was two, whereas Jordan

(01:31:34):
it took him what seven years? Look, I believe Michael
Jordan's the greatest basketball player I've ever seen. But if
we're going to properly characterize Michael Jordan, we should point
out he didn't win anything until Phil Jackson brought the
triangle offense in and ran it. That's a system. And

(01:31:55):
if you want to go, well, what was it like
when Brady left? Look when Tom Brady got hurt, And
here's the untold story of Tom Brady. This is gonna
be for all and Colin doesn't say this, and he's
Brady's biggest fan, probably because Brady has incredible hair and
he's like Benjamin Button. He keeps looking younger. I don't know,
but he loves Brady, but he never mentions this. We're

(01:32:15):
actually robbed of what should have been. At the Tom
Brady dominate the league statistically era they were sixteen and oh,
became eighteen and oh. They lost in the Super Bowl
on a couple of crazy plays. He got hurt and
didn't play the next year, blew out his knee. They

(01:32:35):
had the same team they had far and away at
Randy Moss in his prime, Tom Brady in his prime,
they were the far and away the best team. And yeah,
Matt Castle won eleven games. They won sixteen games the
year before. That's a minus five is my math. Okay,
Michael Jordan only played in one system that he won in.
That's the triangle offense. The year he missed, Okay, the

(01:33:00):
year he missed because he came back mid year of
the second year and he was forty five, and he
wasn't great in the playoffs and he lost the ball.
He wasn't sharp dribbling and lost the ball against the
Orlando Magic. The year he missed, the Chicago Bulls went
from fifty seven wins to fifty five wins. And I
think Jordan's the greatest player ever. But if we're going

(01:33:21):
drop off, there's your parallel, Like, let's not miss character.
Do I think Tom Brady needs that system? Yes, I
think he needs it because trying to teach an old
dog new tricks doesn't work. Doesn't work. Look here's the
way it works in sports. Okay, you run a play,

(01:33:42):
we call that Alabama. Well I've always called that Chicago.
We call that Alabama. Right, that's what they do. We
call it Alabama. You get to a certain type of verbiage,
and that's all you ever use that verbiage. Four you're
gonna relearn a new language. I would liken it to children. Okay,

(01:34:03):
Apparently there's some portion of your brain where you can
learn a new language, right, but that portion of your
brain starts to shrink up the older you get, Like
when you're before you're five or six years old, you
can learn language is very very easy. And then if
you don't exercise that part of your brain, it starts

(01:34:24):
to shrink up. Try and learn a new language when
you're in your thirties or forties, it's almost impossible. That's
the same in football. You get into league and you
know one way of playing, you know one type of verbiage,
and all of a sudden, you know, in year twenty
you're going to learn a new language. It doesn't mean
it's impossible, but the likelihood for seamless success is minute minute.

(01:34:53):
Tom Brady is a system quarterback. If the system is winning,
does he need to have his guys like his offensive
coordinator and all the same verbiage and some of the
same players and familiarity. Absolutely absolutely. But if you want
to break it down, Jordan only one in one system,

(01:35:16):
hell Cobe only one in one system, Phil Jackson Triangle
only one in one system. And when Jordan was out
for one year, they won two less games. Tom Brady,
they've actually evolved and played different styles in different years,
And when he was out for one year with his
most talented team, they won five less games in a

(01:35:38):
sixteen game season. So maybe it's how we use the
how we just like, how we react to the word mediocre,
how we react to the term system quarterback. That needs
to change. T j Oshmanzana joins the show. Well Dak
ultimately win in negotiation over Jerry Jones. Plus we're gonna

(01:36:00):
talk some Lakers because who she loves the Lakers and
I like, I like I thought the Lakers. It was
fascinating to watch the Rockets win with small ball last night.
That's up coming next in The Herd. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Herd week days and nun
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is the Herd t Joshminzado joinas in moments, I'll ask

(01:36:24):
him about Dak Prescott and this contract negotiation. I did
want to kind of delve in quickly to the Rockets
last night and their use of small ball. And look,
we have been taught things our entire lives which aren't
actually true, right, We've been taught We've been taught that,

(01:36:48):
you know, size matters. Well, I've seen Josel Tuva, Granted
they were banging the trash can, but in spite of
the fact that he's a smaller package being able to
hit the ball out of the yard and the World
Series MVP as well as in regular season MVP, you know,
man like, Look, the analytics thing people have to understand

(01:37:11):
why small ball does in fact work, And last night
was the perfect example forget about the fact that the
everybody's going to concentrate on the three point shooting of
the Rockets. Well, they're not going to shoot that higher
percentage every night, and you know they're gonna be of course,
there are gonna be nights where like Game seven in

(01:37:31):
the Western Conference Finals. I don't know if they ever
room is twenty seven in a row again, but it's
gonna be bad and they're gonna get beaten. But the
but the bigger part is what you do on offense. Look,
analytics will give you a guide for what is and
what is not an efficient shot or and efficient play.

(01:37:52):
And the Lakers kept throwing the ball to the block
to Anthony Davis. That's playing right into the hands of
the Houston pockets. Because even if you shoot, even if
you shoot a post up shot, the numbers say that
that's a point seven seven p p p points per possession,
and good basketball is over one point zero. You don't

(01:38:14):
have to know how they come up with the math,
just know that point seven seven is not anywhere close
to one point oh correct. In addition to that, in
addition to that, it kills your ability for your best
big guy to be a rebounder because he's standing in
the post with a guy behind him. He shoots the basketball,
there's a guy right there to box him out. Lastly,

(01:38:37):
the Rockets knew exactly how you're going to attack them,
instead of running your offense, instead of playing how you
normally play. Don't believe me. This is Frank Vogel, head
coach of the Lakers, when asked if they focus too
much on those mismatches at the post with the advantage
you had with sizes, seemed like your team was trying
to force the ball a little bit too much to

(01:38:58):
the post. Maybe turning the ball over a little bit
be accurate. Probably the understatement of the year. Yeah, we
were terrible with just like you said, force trying to
force force feed it inside. Um, you know, getting our
spacing right against you know, their their post frontals, and
you know, just not reading the week's side, you know,
I mean that's where most of our turnovers came. And um,

(01:39:19):
it disrupted our flow, disrupted your flow. You shot yourself
in the foot because you're like, we got we got advantage,
we got, but that's not how they really play. Andy
Davis not a true post up player Lebron. People like, well,
Lebron should have posted he's not a post player. Lebron
plays downhill, come off a screenplay downhill, create shots for others,
occasionally roll in the post, and be a passer. They

(01:39:41):
got completely out of sorts, because that's what happens when
you think like, well, we're bigger than them, let's just
shoot over them. There's a reason basketball has not played
that way anymore. Last night was a perfect example of
that reason. Let's get to John Goulet with the news. No, no,
this is heard. I get that, by the way, from parents.

(01:40:02):
I coach, have an AU program and I have some
big kids, and like, well, how come you don't post
guys up. It's like somebody to teach them to do
something they're not going to do the rest of their life.
Not gonna do that. As someone who was I'm six
four now, Yeah, but that's big in a small town. Yeah,
post guy shout out the Warriors. That's right, go stand

(01:40:23):
on the block and be tall, right, that's what they
used to teach you to do. And then you get
to real basketball, like, yeah, that's not we don't want
you to do that. Anymore. No, So, Jannis and Lebron
picked their All Star rosters last night they had their draft.
I guess Jannis traded all of his picks to Lebron
because Team Lebron got Anthony Davis has starters Lebron Anthony Davis, Kawhi, Luca,
Don Jets, and James Harden, and Team Jannis has uh Embed,

(01:40:47):
Pascal Siakam, Kemba Walker and Trey Young. Yes, Doug, is
it possible that Jannis is tanking for the next couple
of years. I'll start break just maybe it's a favor.
It's hey, I'll this year, you can have all the
good players, and next year I'll get them. Now. This
was pretty funny though. When Jannie was trying to side
between some point guards, he apparently was not interested in

(01:41:09):
selecting James Harden. Take a listen, this is a tough one. Um,
I'm between kim by Trey Young. Well, you know, I
want somebody that's don't fast the ball. Jannis got jokes
good for him. Uh, A little odd though, not taking

(01:41:30):
James Harden. I mean, it's an All Star game. It's
kind of his specialty. Just get to hit open freeze. Well,
I mean Trey Young open threes as well. Sure, I
think I think he's he speaks for the rest of
America when he says I think James Harden's an amazing talent.
I don't like watching him play back. I love basketball,
I don't like watching him play basketball with the dribbling.
I don't know if there's prop bets available for the

(01:41:51):
All Star Game, but take the over unhardened assists because
you know now he has to. He's actually led the
league in assists. But like he does something and honestly,
Trey Young does this as well, where they they hold
the ball one or two extra dribbles so that they
always get these. They never get the hockey assist, they
get the pure assist, and that actually kicks a lot

(01:42:12):
of guys off. So Todd Gurley had a very disappointing
twenty nineteen season. He had career lows and rushing yards
and carries. His twenty eighteen season obviously tailed off. For
the end of the year. They were using CJ. Anderson,
fresh off his couch in the Super Bowl instead of Girly.
The NFL networks Ian Rapp Report is reporting that the
Rams want to sit down with Gurly before any decision

(01:42:33):
about his future is made. I'm not sure what that
decision would be. He has a lot of money left
on his contract, and they're about two years away from
being able to easily get out of it. Be a
big cap hit if they cut him. What should the
RAMS do with Gurly, they clearly don't want to use
him as much as a guy with his contract normally

(01:42:54):
would be used. You're stuck paying him. I mean, look,
if somebody wants to take him, trade him, right, sure,
But I don't think anybody's taking him. I just think
I just think they got to get on the same page, Like, look, dude,
we'll we'll, we'll make some calls and try and trade you,
but we just don't feel like there's the market for
you now. If you want to help us facilitate trade,
we'll find it if we keep you, if we can't

(01:43:16):
trade you, we need to be on the same page
in terms of usage. I just it's it's so much
better when you're talking, right, Like, no relationship is good
if you're not actually speaking to one another. But they
we haven't heard anything, right. They never said like, oh
he's hurt. They never really explain anything one time, tell
you he's hurt, right, but time said, oh, we didn't

(01:43:39):
use him as because I'm dumb, which obviously McVeigh is
not dumb. So it's just it's gotten kind of weird.
There's something. It's been kind of weird. There's something. He's
got an arthritic knee. He heard his knee in college.
He came back. Remember he only missed four games his
rookie year. He probably should have sat most of that season.
He didn't. I don't know if they botched the surgery
or not. Okay, probably came back. And then a lot

(01:44:01):
of you said early on, and he's he's got to
have an arthritic name, so he can't give it to you.
He can't, you know, give you the real Todd Gurley
all the time. He give it to you some of
the time. And so like, look, we can't get out
of this contract. If you can find a trade partner,
will move you. If not, we need you to be
a good soldier, and you know and and do the
best you can considering your medical condition. And finally, Doug,

(01:44:24):
the XFL begins tomorrow, Yes, Wildcats against the Houston Roughnecks,
five Eastern on Fox. Do you know what a roughneck is?
Oil worker right, yes, yes, Uh, you're the second person
asked me that today on this show. So that's why. Uh,
these the games are going to be pretty fast and
up tempo. A lot of the coaches and quarterbacks are
kind of spread guys, So I think you're going to

(01:44:44):
see high scoring effect. Yes, I know. I looked like
bowl game offenses. Yeah, I looked up. Yeah, I looked
up some over unders and they're not available to bed
on because I think they don't. I don't know that
the market has really figured out yet, like how many
points they're going to be. There's also instead of kicking
an extra point, there's one, two, and three point conversions.
I like that too, which is a lot of fun. Yeah,

(01:45:05):
because now if you're Jock Jams. You guys remember Jock
Jams and they had the four point shot whatever, A
little bit like that. Well, now if you're down eighteen,
technically that's a two possession game. So that's going to
keep you involved a little bit more. Also, a bunch
of quarterbacks that we all remember, Cardel Jones, Connor Cook,
Aaron Murray, Tug. Are you excited for the XFL tomorrow? Yes? Yeah, yes,
more football, like who wouldn't want more football, and like

(01:45:27):
as a guy who played minor league basketball, right, like,
I know the talent on that field, like he watched.
The talent on that field is going to be so
much better than the talent in college football. I don't
think people understand that because they won't. They have to
get used to the logos like this is the big
time football players who just looking for another opportunity. I

(01:45:47):
think it's I think it's an amazing opportunity and I
like that they're gonna make it kind of more fun.
Um So you got Roughnecks, Wildcats, Vipers, Guardians, right, those
are those the games of Vipers Vipers against the New
York Guardians like that? Like that I wondered Guardians of
the Galaxy could be part of like sometimes anyway, big

(01:46:09):
fan of the Roughnecks uniforms. And that's uh. John Gilt
with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the third Line News. Let's welcome him in.
He's a former pro bowler in the National Football League.
He's t J Huschminzadio seeing him on speak to yourself
a little bit. Lanterry. You always see him on Fox
Sports one who I want to ask you. I think

(01:46:32):
you were on yesterday on Yesterday with Bucky Brooks when
he said I didn't know, Okay, let me play for you.
What he said about Tom Brady being a system quarterback. Gotcha.
He's a system quarterback who has played in a great
system that has produced a lot of winning. Because that
same system help Matt Castle go eleven and five when
Tom Brady wasn't available to the knee. Tom Brady at

(01:46:55):
this stage of his career, he needs the system more
than ever. Like if we're talking about Michael Jordan. The
one thing you can never question about Michael Jordan, he
was a transcendent player. He was transcendent in college. He
was transcendent from the time he stepped into the league.
We can never say that Tom Brady was transcendent coming
into the league. Took Jordan a while to win a championship.

(01:47:15):
He's wrong. I know he's wrong. He's wrong. I was
trying to be nice, but because I like Bucky, he's
just wrong. Oh yeah, right, Like Jordan didn't win until
they ran the triangle. That's a system. Whereas Brady when
he first got to league, he was more facilitator. Right
then he became the most they had the most dynamic
offense in the NFL. Then the everything was Dincon dunked
short underneath, crossing stuff, you know, Welker, and then they

(01:47:36):
become a power running team and they'd find Gronk on
a mismatch right like those are. Every quarterback is a
system quarterback. Good coaching finds what fits you, well invest
what they Every quarterback is a system quarterback. Some are
more of the system, like I am the system, and
that's what Brady is. He Bucky's wrong. He's been saying

(01:47:57):
this all year and next year. Ye, we're really going
to find out because Brady won't be there. So we'll
find out. But he won't be there. No zero percent chance,
zero percent chance, zero percent. Where does he go? There's
a few teams. I'll give you more than a few. Okay,
where does he go? I don't know. There's too many

(01:48:17):
to decipher and choose from. You said zero percent chance
zero I would go. I would go one percent. I
would zero percent door closed, door closed, Okay. I could
look at the Chargers. Okay, obviously the Chargers in Tennessee
that has been talked about. I believe he wants to
go to warm weather. So then I have to throw

(01:48:38):
in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, New Orleans Saints, those the
Dallas Cowboys if they can't work anything out with that.
But if I had to say which one, it would
be one of the three between Tampa Bay, San Diego, Tennessee. Okay,
it's la now. But I know what you mean with it, Okay,
So can I can I counterpoint to you? Yeah, he
ain't going to Tampa. He ain't going to tennis. You
don't think so, No, Okay, No, I don't think Gizelle

(01:49:01):
maybe Nashville. She ain't going to Tampa. Dude, I'm telling you, Okay,
I get it. I mean, yeah, he wants ab to
come with him. Antonio Brown looking Antonio Brown. Nobody's stopping
Antonio Brown from being in the NFL more than Antonio Brown. Yeah.
But he respects Brady no if you notice when he
but he doesn't respect anybody else. But he respects Brady

(01:49:24):
is enough to wear. Enough to wear and I'll even
throw the Raiders in there with uh with Brady as well.
But he respects Brady enough to where he won't disappoint him.
He doesn't want to disappoint Yes to trust me. Okay,
I trust your intel and your insight, and you know

(01:49:44):
I love you as much as any man loves another
man that has no relationship with right. But bro, this
is not a Tom Brady decision, Antonio Brown. This is
a Roger Goodell. Oh Now, granted, granted, all that works
itself out, and he does out. He doesn't do anything
from you see, he's on his uh make nice uh

(01:50:07):
parade right now for a day. I'm apologizing. It's been
about a week. It's been about a week, Okay, I
just I don't see him going Like the whole Chargers thing.
Do you think Shane Steichen, who's their offensive coordinator, has
been He's going to Brady's be like, Yeah, I'm gonna
work as Shane Sykin, who I don't know from Adam

(01:50:27):
and with that offensive line. Do I think they have
great skill position players? They do. They have maybe the
best skill position players including the chiefs, of any team
in the NFL. But I don't see Brady going there.
And LA makes them La and Vegas make the most sense.
Like he's a megastar. He's about winning. He's not going
to Tennessee to look at the teams that they have
to plan their division. If you go to the Chargers, yeah,

(01:50:49):
you're playing a Chiefs and you're planing a Broncos who
has a really good defense. Oh and you're gonna play
the Raiders, who was up and coming. So you got
to look at the division that he's going to be in.
In the division he just left where the path of
least resistance in the AFCs, he's looking at that. Okay,
So what do you think about the Dak Prescott contract.

(01:51:10):
It's going to be complicated. Obviously it's being complicated. I'm
not making him the highest paid quarterback in the league.
I'm not paying him more than Russell Wilson. I'm not
paying him more than Aaron Rodgers, the Jared Golf, Carson
Winch range. I could see that he's played better than them.
But I can argue Jared Golf took his team to
the super Bowl and Dak Prescott had a better roster

(01:51:32):
and so but I can see giving him thirty three
thirty four max a year. I'm not going above that.
I wouldn't either. Look, I think he's like, he's fine.
I think he's good enough to win with and you
get you can get stability with him, and I just
he can't give him. The problem is that Jerry's going
to give in at some level, because Jerry always gives in,

(01:51:53):
doesn't he. Man, it's been a while he hasn't given
in yet. Hope. Maybe Stephen is talking some sense and
to him and saying, listen, this is what it has
to be. I think it's he's talking sense into Stephen.
Stephen is like, he's okay, he can't. He doesn't win
his big games under convincing Stephen, Let's give him a
little more. Yes, okay. I think that's the way that
that that dynamic works. I believe as long as they

(01:52:14):
stay under thirty five, thirty four, thirty five, that that's
the smart thing to do. But for some reason in
the NFL, it's, oh, the last quarterback that got paid,
he got thirty five million. I have to leap frog him,
not if you're not better than him. Kyle Shanahan was
talking about Jimmy Garoppolo yesterday. I think we have that sound.
This is Kyle Shanahan when asked, you know, he was

(01:52:37):
what people have said, like as Jimmy Garoppolo. The problem
is that a fix. He's twenty eight years old, but
that was only his first season in the NFL. Here's
Kyle Shanahan talking about his quarterback. I think Jimmy's one
of the main reasons we got to the super Bowl.
I think he overcame a lot. This is his first
year in his career going through an entire NFL season,
so I mean, he still doesn't have as many starts

(01:52:59):
and stuff is Baker Mayfield. So it's I think he
had a hell of him first year truly playing the position.
For him to be like that and to not let
the pressure get to him and to improve as a year,
win I think says a ton about Jimmy, and I
can't tell you how much I loved coaching the guy
as a player and as a person. I share you
buy that some of it. I just I go back

(01:53:23):
to the second quarter, like, you don't call a time out,
this is the super Bow. And then you say, well,
if they stop us and give their quarterback the ball,
oh yeah, you trust their quarterback is going to go
down to field against you guys would have against a
better media, But you don't trust your quarterback will go
down to field against their defense. There's an expression I used.
I use it with Colin the other day. I use

(01:53:43):
it all the time. It's you can't fool players, and
whether it's you as a player, but more than anything,
all those Niners are sitting there on the sideline and
they're like, what we're gonna it was the week before.
You're killing the Packers. You're killing them. Let them throw
just no, you know, just giving fifteen pass. It's him
because he's walking from this game saying, wow, I haven't

(01:54:07):
thrown the ball at all, Like I'm getting kind of stiff,
Like you let him throw the ball eight times in
the game that you had won that right there, show
Jimmy Gianna the rest of the team we don't we
don't really trust him like we should. And then you
back it up with end of the first half that
just reinforces everything that they thought going into the game.

(01:54:27):
That said, man, they got a ten point lead. Second down,
clearly should have checked that, should have checked out of
a run. He doesn't third down, like I get Chris
Jones deflected a couple, but he didn't even see you know,
the arguably the best or second best George Kill tight
end wide open over the middle. He was he was,
so give him. I'll give him a pass on that

(01:54:49):
because a lot of people don't know, well, a lot
of people do know. The quarterback reads are defined. So
if it's a two high or one high look, Kitt'll
probably because of the defense that the che he's played
wasn't even part of the read. He just so happened
to pop open. It could have been the coverage dictated.
I'm working this side of the field, I'm not even
looking at Kittle. That could have been the case. So

(01:55:09):
I'll give him a pass on that one, all right.
What about Emmanuel Sanders, he's open. He just missed him
that he missed the throw, but he didn't. It wasn't
like he missed by this much. He missed it. Yeah,
I was a yo, have been outside. He missed him bad,
and he missed him long, whereas he missed them short.
Maybe you get pass interference if you missed him short.
This damn age, it's gonna be passing even to pass
the kid. I'm a receiver. I didn't think that was PI.

(01:55:33):
Just before halftime, I didn't think that was PI. No,
I did not as well. So they got some bad luck.
But clearly Garoppolo let the help let that one get away.
And then I think I thought then when they're down four.
They only ran the football once on that drive and
it was the first down. They get seventeen yards. Then
they stopped running the football. It's like, hey, now they're
expecting the past, you should run the football again. The

(01:55:54):
game plan was a little odd considering you let him
throw at eight times a week prior we ran the
ball down there throw You were running the ball very
effectively in the Super Bowl, and in a one possession
game you kind of get away from it, and so
a lot of things didn't make sense. The good thing
about it is they're young and hopefully they will learn
from this. But Kyle Shanahan, he's gonna have to write

(01:56:15):
the ship because it's been twice. You've done it two times.
You play with Carson Carson Palmer came out and said
if he was Burrow, he wouldn't he wouldn't want to play,
He wouldn't play for the Bengals. There have been others
that have said that. His dad said, I don't know
where people are getting that from. He's just excited to
be one of the top picks, but didn't say he
absolutely wants to be a Bengal. You've lived that life, granted,

(01:56:36):
not recently with the Bengals. But you guys are pretty good.
What would would you tell Joe Burrow to make them
trade trade that pick. I'm not telling Joe Burrow anything.
It's you and your dad. Your dad's a coach, you
grew up in Ohio, you have representation. Y'all come to
a conclusion that you think fits you, and you live

(01:56:58):
with it. If I'm the Bengals, personally, I'm gonna trade
the pick because I can get more picks and it
will make my team better if I can get Herbert
or Twa, I'm okay with that. You're you're speaking sensibly.
You know, because you played and lived as a Bengals
aren't gonna trade the pick. The Bear's gonna take him.
And if you don't want to play right, So so

(01:57:19):
that becomes like, Joe Burrow, do you sit? Do you know? No,
you don't sit. You Joe Burrow didn't play for two
years at Ohio State. Three years, he transfers, he graduates,
and he finally gets a chance to play. He's confident
enough to say I believe I can turn this thing around.
Whether that's true or not. He has that type of confidence.

(01:57:40):
I know the Bengals aren't going to trade the pick,
and he'll know ahead of time if he says we
don't want to play there, behind the scenes, they'll say, oh,
we're drafting you anyway. Do you haven't intel? You got
intelling Brady? You got intelling Derren Coulson if you signed
the leaders. I hope he does. Man, we need some help. Man.
How can he sit there next to Genie Buss and
not do like the commitment that it's gotta it's gotta
be a wrap? T J. Huchmins AUTI a sebund speak

(01:58:01):
for yourself. Top of the Hour. Coming up next, we
got a great best for last. The Oscars are upon us,
so we'll do the list of all lists the best
sports movies of all time. Next in The Herd. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and
noon Eastern not a Empacific. If you think football season
is over, think again. The All New XFL kicks off

(01:58:23):
its inaugural season tomorrow as La takes on Houston at
five Eastern and continues Sunday as Tampa Bay scores off
with New York at two eastern. It's all on Fox
and the Fox Sports app should be outstanding x f
L Wildcats for So, how is Goldie Han should coach?

(01:58:45):
Should be the coach for the LA Wildcats? So don't
you think? Of course? So that's Goldie Han was female
high school head coach in the movie Wildcats. You guys
remember that, which brings us to the Best for Last.
It's almost the end of the show. But that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the
very last segment. It's time for Best for Last? Are

(01:59:08):
the oscars? Are? Sunday Ford Versus Ferrari is nominated for
Best Picture? Full disclosure, I have it, I have not
seen it yet, So for the Best Best for Last,
I won't include it. And I was trying to figure
out a racing movie right days of Thunder? Maybe Ricky Bobby.
We wanted to the ten favorite My ten favorite sports
movies of all time. Sports movies of all time? Number ten,

(01:59:32):
Remember the Titans. Sunshine was the quarterback, right Herman Boone
integrates the nineteen seventy one TC Williams High School football
team from that. Plus, it's got Denzel. You got Denzel,
You're on the list. It's done. I got my Denzel
in Denzel at ten, number nine The Natural. Quick spoiler

(01:59:55):
if you haven't read the book The Natural, the ending
is quite different. Never forget this good friend of mine.
Shout out to my boy Raffi La Lasarian ap English.
Our senior year, getting ready to turn in our final paper,
and I said, would you write your paper on He's like, oh, well,
the symbolism of the lights exploding and the home run.

(02:00:16):
I said, hey, dude, you need to go home before
the third period and rewrite your paper. It's like, why, well,
you see the book. Robert Redford's character actually throws the
game because he was gambling on baseball gets kicked out
of baseball anyway. The Natural is number nine, number eight.
White Man Can't Jump. You've got a Z in your frow?
Were you the black zero? Woody Harrison Wesley Snipes before

(02:00:40):
he went to jail, Wesley didn't pay his taxes? Right?
Was that off of this movie? Not off of this movie? Man,
There's so many great lines, so many great scenes. Plus
it's hoop and trash talk. I love it. Billy Hoyle
who always come out kind of looking like a dork.
And then Sidney Dean was Wesley snipes character. White Man
Can't job that. I'll put that in number eight. Number seven,

(02:01:02):
Million Dollar Baby one Best Picture in two thousand and four.
To me, there's a lot to it. There's a little
a City of Angels to it, right, like City of Angels?
Do you remember the movie spoiler alert? Nick Cage comes
down from Heaven do with neck Ryan, but it gives
away immortality and then she dies in a a car accident.
The car hits her bike. Remember that A little that

(02:01:23):
with Million Dollar Baby, like she finally makes it and
then she becomes paralyzed. Clint Eastwood, this just look. It's
a great movie. One of three sports movies ever to
win Best Picture. The others, Chariots of Fire and Rocky
neither made my list. Number six. Sports Illustrated calls Bull
Durham the number one sports movie of all time. I

(02:01:45):
concur right, strikeouts are in fact fascists and candlesticks do
make a good present. Candlesticks do. There's a lot to this,
lot to it. Breathing out your eyelids right, your chakras
being blocked. I love Bull Durham, and it's one of
two Kevin Coster movies to make the list. Number five

(02:02:07):
We wear caps and sleeves at this level. All right,
Remember Lou Brown, the manager of the Indians. This is
back when the Indians were terrible. Bob Yucker had so
many great lines. My favorite, though, was when they when
they when they call up Lou Brown to ask me
if he wants to manage the big club. I don't know, Charlie.
I got a guy on the other line about some

(02:02:28):
white walls. I'll have to get back to you. Awesome,
Charlie sheen Um. I personally quote Major League as much
or more than any sports move I've ever seen. Number four,
Sandlot You Love Baseball owed to yesteryear kids going, Plus

(02:02:49):
you had the Beast out in left center as the
Beast and left center and everyone knows that kid that
couldn't catch a couldn't catch a pop fly. The Sandlot
You can watch you with your kids. Number three might
be the best actual movie of all of these, to
be totally awesome terms of dialogue and scene setting. It's
true based on a true story. Tom Hanks is amazing, amazing,

(02:03:12):
It's got Madonna and Gena Davis a league of their own.
It is so incredibly well written. Right ball players, ball Players?
Number two, Number two, who hasn't gone ten Cup right,
who hasn't tried to tried to get to the green
in two. I mean, basically, there's a little Phil Mickelson

(02:03:35):
in Kevin Costner's character. I got Cheech Marin in it.
Renee Russo and prime Renee Russo. You got the love story.
There's a lot too it. Plus just Don Johnson's the
bad guy who saw that one coming ten cup and
number two number one Hoosiers Hoosiers. Right, it's the story

(02:03:57):
of redemption for the head coach for Gene Hackman, based
upon a true story mile in high school loosely based
upon it. But I mean, like, look at the Indiana
Pacers to this day, we're there, throwback, hoo's your jerseys.
Let's run the picket fence boys, don't get caught watching
the fence dry. And of course Jimmy, Jimmy did the Jordan,

(02:04:19):
Jimmy did the Kobe. Jimmy was not Lebron. Jimmy said
I'll make it, and he did. Hoosiers my number one
sports movie of all time. All right, enjoy the Oscars.
That'd be pretty fun. Remember the Titans. The natural white
Man can't jump, Million Dollar Baby Bull Durham Major League Sandlot,

(02:04:40):
League of their Own, Tin Cup and Hoosiers, and there
was a big list. Ryan Music, is your most notable,
most notable movie that is not on my list? I
think the one that most people are gonna have an
issue with is Rudy. Rudy, Yeah, not Rocky or Raging Bull. Yeah.
Maybe Rocky. People get pretty passionate about their Rocky movies,

(02:05:00):
but Rudy's usually pretty much up there on greatest sports
movies of all time? Hule, Are you gonna get on
me because I didn't put Caddy Shack in there? Like
were you probably sho no, no, no no, no, it's as
still it still makes me laugh. That's an omission. I'm not.
I'm not as big on The Natural. We talked about

(02:05:20):
that in the meeting. I could see it was about
to be a big fight, so I backed off my
take because I didn't want you to yell at me. No.
But The Natural really was included because I wanted to
include my story about my boy in high school, not
knowing that the book's ending was completely different than the
movie's ending. That was really I just I kind of
want to sell him out and then you know, show
that I'm a friend. I did him a solid at

(02:05:41):
the end of his scholastic career, tustinite. You probably could
have had some more Will Farrell overall because he's got
Ricky Bobby Yes, semi pro Yes, Slades of Glory. Yes.
Does a lot of sports movie. There's another figure skating movie.
I'm trying to think what it is. There's another figure
skating movie where guy's a hockey player. Look, slapshots not
on there. I love slave shot. M was the Bob

(02:06:02):
sled movie. That was pretty good. Too, cool, Running Cool, Runnings, Um,
Balls of Fury, which is a ping pong movie. I'm
a big ping pong guy. I once watched that four
times with Pat Knight, Bob Knight, Sun we us the
head coach Texas Tech. We're stuck in a snowstorm. Yeah,
we watched Balls of Fury like four different times. That's
a pretty good one. Dodge Ball, all right, Dodgeball is another.
That's a pet sports movie. Oh I know, Uh? What

(02:06:25):
was what's the movie with? Um? The wrestling movie from
Art from the eighties? Oh man, what is the wrestling movie?
Somebody will tweet that to me. There's a lot of
great sports movie. Enjoy the Oscars. Colin is enjoying his
own time playing a sport downhill skiing. Watch out for
that tree. He'll be back Monday. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This

(02:06:47):
is the herd.

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