Solutions Not Cynicism, Belichick Rebuild, Jimmy G Tier 3

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to ask Joy Taylor later today about dming or not.

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I got a lot of things in Joy Taylor, who
gets her hair cut once every seven years, got it
cut ironically yesterday. It's fantastic thing. Look, we're going on
a natural journey, Colin. I. Now you don't know what
that means, but we're going on a while. We're going
on a natural journey together. I'm trying to get my
curls back, so you know, I'm straightening it for a
long time. Makes you look Thank you. We're very young today.

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Thank you. So we're talking. We're opening the show with
Taylor get the You have the best skin in America,
you and your brother, the family. You're the family that
never had a pimple, Honest to God. It's just it's
discouraging to hang out with you. Yeah, you have terrible skin,
just awful. It's great to be in today. So I
want to talk about something. Um, we're in the media. Yes, Um,

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I think if you've listened to me long enough, you
know that I like business and to be in business,
and to be successful in business, you cannot be cynical.
You have to be optimistic because business is hard. And
yesterday there was this thing on the media where a
young sportscaster came out and said, it's like the media
is rooting against sports, they want it to fail. Now,

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I don't believe that to be true. I don't think
the media is rooting against their jobs, their income, their viability.
I don't believe that to be true. But I do
think I don't have a lot of friends in the media.
I mean, I work with people, but not a lot
of them because they're just cynical and they're negative. And
when I wake up in the morning, I like people
who are seeking solutions, problem solvers. It's a turn on

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for me. I don't like people who bitch about problems.
The media lives to write stories about problems. Yesterday, the
Marlins have a handful of players, a bunch of them
that get COVID and literally the first stories that satan
over seasons over? Why do you think they expanded rosters?

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Why do you think, folks, why do you think baseball
expanded the rosters and the NBA expanded the rosters because
they knew guys were gonna get COVID and if one
gets it, two get it, three get it, four get it.
Why do you think the NBA is playing in a bubble?
Why do you think they're so mad at lou Williams?
Because nobody was seeking perfection. These leagues, these commissioners, all

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they are is business leaders. Rob Manfred is dealing with advertisers.
He's dealing with regional cable networks. He's talking to Fox
and the ESPN and negotiating deals. He's dealing with billionaires.
He's a business leader in America, and the great business
leaders seek solutions to inevitable roadblocks. You don't have perfect seasons.

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It's never existed. Stars get hurt, players grumble, Roger Goodell,
somebody takes a knee, and now the media is covered.
If you can't handle that, don't be a commissioner. Rob
Manfred went on MLB last night talking about the Marlins
and the heat seeking misery missile. I don't think the

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media is rooting against sports, but they wake up cynical
and negative. They don't appear to have any interest in
solving issues, and that's really a commissioner's job. Here's Rob Manfred.
I don't put this in the nightmare category. We built
protocols anticipating that we would have positive tests at some

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point during the season. I remain optimistic that the protocols
are strong enough that it will allow us to continue
to play even through an outbreak like this and complete
our season. You know the companies in the country right now.
We have four or five companies in America right now. Actually, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft,

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and Google are worth double those four companies, double the
Canadian economy, those four companies. If you start looking at Amazon,
I'll give you another one. Netflix. Netflix has changed television.
I watched some Netflix last night. If you go look
at the story of Netflix, it's basically a story how

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to pivot out of crap everything went wrong. Initially it
was DVDs, it was going to Blockbuster, and then they
created a quickstar and the investor said no, and that tanked.
Netflix was literally pivoting out of problems and read Hastings
a brilliant guy and Jeff Bezos. These are brilliant Americans.

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But their whole story is problem solving. Their whole story
is pivoting out of potential disasters. Business is not linear,
and commissioners are business leaders. I mean, listen, man basketball,
they all know. Adam Silver's knows. Some of these guys
want sex. They're twenty two. They're gonna sneak out of

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the bubble. They've had these conversations. Joey and I have
had these conversations. They're twenty four year old men. They're
professional athletes. They're all amped up, they lift weights all day.
They're good looking, they're rich. They have to have discussions
about they're gonna sneak out and want sex. That's a
real discussion in the leagues have had that. MLS has
had that conversation. These are grown ups. This is how

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you talk. But this idea yesterday that Marlins story comes out,
I thought of good news this morning. All I cared
about was let's see the Phillies test because they fail you, Brian.
So the Phillies played the Marlins, and a bunch of
Marlins players got it this morning. The Phillies no positive tests.
So to me, it was like, oh, that's good news.
So you can play a team with fifteen guys with

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it and you may not have more than two or
three positive tests. That's very If I'm the commissioner, I'm like,
all right, we sidelined them for a while. MLS Nashville
Dallas out. I'm gonna stop this season football may. I
had a discussion yesterday with a very smart person, and
this person said, you know, my guest says, the NFL
is going to have eight to twelve games. They've already

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canceled the preseason. And I said, all right, joy, and
I got three months on a Tom Brady plan for
the Buccaneers. We'll figure it out. If you gave me
four NFL games a weekend, that's enough content. I got
an Eagles game, I got a Niners game, I got
a Ravens game, I got a Packers game. I'm good.
I don't feel guilty about not talking about the Jackson Bengals.
I'm fine. Gimme Baker Mayfield six times. I've got Sam

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Darnold four. I don't think the media is rooting against sport,
but I think the media is negative and cynical to
a fault. These commissioners, they've all got to expanded rosters,
emergency plans. They knew this stuff was coming. All we're
doing in America right now is managing this pandemic. We

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don't solve health crises. Forty seven thousand Americans commit suicide
a year. We don't solve it. We never have. It's awful.
You manage that. It'll probably double this year because of COVID.
It's awful. You're never gonna solve it. We don't solve
heart attacks. I saw something there to day. Seven hundred
thousand Americans die every year because of heart disease. We

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don't solve it. You manage it. So again, I don't think.
I just like people who are solution seekers, not problem complainers.
And if you're in business, if you can't pivot, if
you're not prepared, you can't succeed. And I think these
sports will figure out ways to make it work. Maybe

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one won't. Right now, what I see from the MLS
has been great. I'm crossing my fingers on the NBA,
and I think baseball will probably struggle more than any sport,
but they'll figure it out. Two. All right, let me
shift to this. So if I said Bill Belichick to you,
give me his two best qualities. I think the first

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thing we'd say prepared. Nobody out prepares New England. I've
had buddies that play for the Patriots. They're like, we
do stuff in practice for three years, we never use
it in games. They're the most prepared team. Literally. They
beat the Seahawks in a Super Bowl. Remember the Malcolm
Butler interception. Malcolm Butler says, we practice that play over
and over, and as soon as Russell Wilson planted his foot,

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I knew what the play was. I don't think all
thirty two teams coach like that. So the first thing
with Belichick I'd say is they're the most prepared team
in the league, not always the most talented. The second
thing with Belichick, I think we'd all admit he's pretty smart.
I mean, Wesleyan mom spoke seven languages. He's a smart guy.
Dad was in a scouting before anybody else was in America.

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So prepared and smart. Let me tell you what I
think prepared and smart people would do if Tom Brady
left my organization, I'd reboot the franchise and try to
get one of the three great quarterbacks coming out of
the college draft. That seems like really good preparation. I
wouldn't worry about this year. What do you know? Patrick

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Chung has opted out of the season. Oh, what do
you know? Dante high Tower just opted out of the season.
Multiple players opting out of the season. I don't think
Bill Belichick is announcing it. I've worked at a lot
of companies. You've worked at a lot of companies. Companies
don't have to announce things for it to be understood.

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New England's rebooting. The media freaks out because they all
say it's tanking. Nobody's tanking. The Miami Dolphins last year
were building a culture a step back for two steps forward.
Belotech is just taking a step back if Tom Brady
was still there. Do you think everybody opts out? But

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New England has sent a message to its troops. Ay,
they weren't aggressive in free agency. I mean, guys were
moving all over the league, even in their own division.
They weren't aggressive. Number two they let marginally expensive players go,
not even guys like Jamal Adams contract potentially. And number

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three is didn't appear to have a big rush to
replace the greatest quarterback of all time. And when they
did acquire Cam it was on a day that really
bad news was going to be released by the NFL
about the Patriots, kind of you know, cheating and stuff.
Belichick wants one of the three great college quarterbacks. My

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scouts say all three of the quarterbacks coming out next
year are A prospects. Two of them, Trevor Lawrence and
Trey Lance, may be a high A prospects. And if
New England goes five and eleven or six and ten,
there's only about four teams left that need a quarterback.
They'll be there. Indianapolis we'll need one in a year.
They're just gonna be too darn good to get a

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top ten pick. Jacksonville is gonna be bad, they'll get
a quarterback. New England's gonna be average. But this, don't
be naive on this Bill is prepared and smart. What
would be the smartest thing to do for the Patriots
to prepare for the next decade reboot the franchise. Let

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some players go that are good players, but they're marginally expensive.
Let them go. Don't be aggressive in free agency. They
don't have to win. Announce it. It's not tanking. Miami
didn't last year. Miami literally took a step back to
take two steps forward. We're gonna let some players go,

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some good players go. They wanted to accumulate draft picks.
Brian Flores knew I'm not gonna get fired if I'm
one in fifteen. I just got the job here. I'm
not gonna get fired. It was a step back for
two steps forward. And I also think there's a little
luck involved. Only the Golden State Warriors in New England
would be rebooting for the first time in forever, in
the year of a pandemic, in you know, a year

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where you're going to have all sorts of starts and
stops and difficulties. Just so happened. The Warriors season got
canceled in a year where they had a new arena
and no good players. They were all hurt or left.
So I think smart and preparation. I don't think this
is just totally random. I think everybody in the building
gets it. Step back, two forward, get one of the

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three great quarterbacks? All right? A slander. I don't like slander.
Saw slander with Jimmy Garoppolo, and I can I can
explain some of the slander. But slander with Jimmy Garoppolo.
A new list is out. It's like it's like Christmas
in July from Mike Sando and who's on our show

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later from the Athletic. He does that. He talks to
fifty executives in the league and they do the quarterback tier.
That's seriously, that is I'm like a starving man and
you're putting a big old turkey sandwich in front of me.
It's an NFL Christmas present. In July he does his
annual four tiers for NFL quarterbacks and more Garoppolo slander

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and I think I can explain it. That's coming up.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd week
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Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Good to have
you back. A big question today I'm gonna have solved
by a Joy Taylor. Don't give the answer yet, but
do you DM somebody direct message somebody, or do you

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go to Twitter to compliment their work. I'm not saying
I do it all the time. Once a month I
want to compliment somebody's work in the media. I never
go to Twitter because it looks like, hey, look at me,
I'm so nice. It's so transparent and cheesy. So I DM.
I'm like, hey, I think you're doing some really good work.
Keep doing it, Kickbut but there are people who have
insinuated that's creepy. So Joy Taylor's not going to answer
it next that's gonna lead the next hour, gonna have

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a conversation on that. But I've already had two people
reach out to me this morning who I complimented and
they think it's nicer that way. But I'm just saying,
for guys, you have to be careful. I think a
woman can go DM and it's fine, but if a
guy goes DM, you know, oh boy, what are you doing.
She's a woman and you're DM ing, And it's a
big problem in my life right now because I'm a
complimenter and it's a big problem in my life. And

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we'll solve the solution in thirty minutes, maybe twenty five
We'll do it at the end of the hour whenever
you want, okay. But if I start going, then we
were doing it here. Okay. So so this is this
is as crack for me. So Mike Sando at the
Athletic does this every year. He interviews fifty NFL coaches
and they rate thirty five quarterbacks in the NFL starters

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and top backups, and they put him in tiers tier one, two, three, four,
And I'm every year, I overwhelmingly agree with it. There's
a couple of couple of moves here. The Tier one
is Mahomes, Russell, Wilson, Rodgers, Breeze, Deshaun Watson. I don't disagree.
I think it's missing Carson Wentz. But Carson Wentz is
in tier two, bottom of it, so I think it's

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Carson Wentz slander. Tier two is I mostly agree with it.
Brady Lamar, Jackson, Big Bend, Stafford, Matt Ryan Wentz, Dac In,
Philip Rivers, I'd put Dac in three, but two. It
doesn't bother me. Philip Rivers, I'd absolutely put right now
in tier three, not two. But again I'm not losing sleep.
But tier three, Jimmy Garoppolo's in Tier three along with

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Ryan Tannehill, Nick Foles, Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield,
Kyler Murray. Now, come on, Kirk Cousins, come on, come
on now. So I'm gonna give you a stats for
Jimmy Garoppolo last year, a first year he started, and
b toughest division in football, and three coming off an
ACL injury, which generally screws up guys mentally when you

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come off a big injury. Tom Brady member off the injury.
He didn't want anybody hitting his feet for a year.
It kind of screws with guys when you come off
a big injury. This is garoppolo toughest division, first year,
starting off an ACL injury. Wins tied for first, completion percentage,
tied for fourth, passing touchdowns, tied for fifth, fourth quarter comebacks,
tied for first game winning drives, tied for fourth. Passer rating,

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tied for eight. Well, he's got Kyle Shanahan, Okay, time
out breeze has Sean Payton, Brady had Belichick, Marino had
Don Shula, Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman. Dan Fouts was great,
he had air Corel Joe Montana had Bill Walsh find
me the single Hall of Fame level quarterback who had

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lousy coaches. Warren Moon didn't have like elite Hall of
Fame level coaches, but not tire fires. That's about it. Yes,
he's got a good coach, all right, so's lamar Patrick
Mahomes as Andy Reid. Russell Wilson's coach is gonna be
a Hall of Famer. Why do people not get Jimmy Garoppolo.

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My guess is two things. Number One, the Niners defense
gets the headlines. This is very much Russell Wilson's first
four years in the NFL. Seattle's defense got all the headlines.
And therefore there's a sense that a Garoppolo Russell Wilson
are being carried. The second thing, and I do think
what I finally got Russell Wilson the love he deserves.

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You could not watch Russell Wilson play. He is the
greatest playmaker in league history at the position. He's like
Steve Young on steroids, Like you just watch Russell Wilson,
You're like just nobody can get a shot at him,
and you see great play after great plan. After a while,
even his critics are like, all right, this dude, just this.
He just doesn't look like everybody else. Garoppolo's problem is

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there's nothing to grab onto. He's not as big and
strong as Camera Big Band. He doesn't have Mahome's arm
or Aaron Rodgers release or the escapability of Lamar Jackson
or Russell Wilson or Carson Wentz. There's nothing to grab onto.
There's nothing to say. Look at that. And yes, Shanahan
creates a great system, and yes, the Niners defense is fantastic,

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but when you break it down, and you'll look at
Garoppolo's numbers, folks, you gotta give him a break on
missing Emmanuel Sanders or whoever the receiver was in the
fourth quarter. Mahomes did not play well in the first
three quarters of the Super Bowl. Garoppolo outplayed Patrick Mahomes
in the first three quarters of the Super Bowl. Garoppolo

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may not be a Tier one, but he's mid to
upper tier two, and there's no way he's middle of
Tier three. Joey Taylor with the news No, no, this
is the herd line news welcome, good news for Garoppolo's team.
Earlier this month, forty nine Ers running back for him.

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Most requested a trade after talks of a new deal
broke down. We discussed whether that was a good idea
or not, whether he was a product of Shanahan's offense.
Will The two sides have come to an agreement and
Most will remain in San Francisco. His new deal reportedly
has no additional years, but with a two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars signing bonus and incentives, he could make

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over five million in twenty twenty. That's actually surprising for me.
I mean, you know, Shanahan's history is give me a
running back, I'll make him successful. You know what. They
probably like him, They probably like his toughness, they like
his story, and they were very successful in the running
game last year. So why not do what you can
to keep that in plaze at least for another year.

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This isn't a year where you want to start making
big dramatic changes. And they didn't give him it's not
breaking the bank. They give him a Gill bonus here
and incentives like that's on him. If you want to
earn five million this year, then you go out and
you reach the incentives that you need. The NFL contracts
are obviously very very complicated that the guaranteed moneys, which
you really want to pay attention too. But I think
this is good for both sides. It's to me, this

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would not be a year that I want to necessarily
bet on myself like it's just because there are a
lot of extenuating circumstances for everyone. Also, it's a year
where we don't have preseason, so let's just keep the
guys we have, Let's make it work. Let's go into
this season, cross our fingers and bring back as many
people familiar with our offense, which is complicated as we
possibly can. And they were just absolutely dominant in the

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running game last year, so to be able to keep
that in place help Garoppolo is the best case scenario
for everyone. So glad that got done. The Seahawks gave
up a haul to trade for Jamal Adams. Seattle sent
two first round picks, a third rounder and saftie Bradley
mcdougalld to the Jets in exchange for Adams, and according
to Diana and Russini, many around the league believe the

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Seahawks got fleeced by the Jets in the deal. Fleece
is strong, it's a little dramatic. Yeah, it's a little dramatic.
Not Diane, but I think it's a little dramatic. No,
I mean she's saying that. That's what people league are saying.
I talked to two NFL executives and they their Bowl
takeaway was the Jets. Everybody knew in the league the
Jets were going to move him and to get two
first rounders a third and the starter was a darn

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good haul. Well, yeah, when you when someone says they
want out, and it's very clear that the relationship is
deteriorated and you lose the leverage because you have to
make this move. I picked the phone up from the
Jets before this trade, and I'm like, of course you
want to move him, I'll give you first and that's it.
That's how you know, right, But if you know, if
you know, it comes down to this, Seattle wanted him,

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Seatattle wanted him. And if you want something in life,
you rationalize what you It doesn't matter if it's a
car or not. If you want something in life, Let's
say you find something. You go shopping and you find
something and then you're like, well, I could go out
to dinner one last time, A month, and I'm not
going to get the new tires in my car quite yet.
We all do this, We rationalize stuff. If you want

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Seattle is like, Okay, I'll have the best second best
quarterback in the league, Russell Wilson, the best linebacker and
a Bobby Wagoner and the best safety and we don't
have much of a pass rush on it. And when
you want to stop, you make it happen. Also, I
don't believe in hoarding up draft picks. Yeah, they're really nice.
They're great to have, but they're mostly when you have
that many trade pieces, which is exactly what they did.

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You don't know the draft, that's fine, it's it's great.
We love the draft. We love the draft. This year.
It's wonderful time, right, we all enjoyed it. Yeah, But
the end of the day, we don't know what anyone
in the draft this year or any other year is
going to be come until they get on the field.
There's bus all the time. And if the Jets did
was draft an incredible player and then inexplicably decided to
not pay him. So this is actually a great deal

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for both sides. Yeah, Generally, the NFL scout type talked
to through the through the years, always say there's about
seven team players a draft that everybody in the league
is like, those are going to be great players. By
the mid first round, you're kind of like, there's a
hole we think he fits and could be great. So
the reality is Seattle got a great player, guaranteed that,

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and they wanted him, and they've got some holes on
the team and they're like, he's a playmaker and we
need playmakers on defense. If you are in a situation
like Seattle is, which the Jets are not, where you
have the potential, you're in that. You know, maybe they're
not a super Bowl contender this year, but who knows,
they're very close. You're close. Then you need to make
moves that put you over the edge, and this is
that move. Hoarding up draft fix is not that move. Finally,

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Cam Newton decided to make a big change and go
vegan in early twenty nineteen, and one anonymous NFL coach
thinks that lifestyle change could hurt him on the field.
Coach said, I don't think he's superman anymore. Remember when
Kaepernick became vegan, changed his body and he just wasn't
as dynamic of an athlete. Anymore. Cam was two sixty
five and bigger than everybody. He looks skinny. Now he's

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like two thirty five and wants to have ripped abs,
and that's his choice. Is he going to have that
power running elements? I don't know. There's a lot of
people that say being a vegan is better for you athletically.
I don't know the answer to that. My wife's vegan
kind of and so I listen. I like burgers and fish,
so it's not going to happen to me. I don't
know if you're better or worse as a vegan. I
think you'll live longer aventually. I think that none of

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us are doctors, right, And if you are a doctor,
I'm an epidemiologist. Yes, I know everything about COVID everything.
You're tremendous. If you're not a doctor, I don't care
what your opinion is about going vegan, because some people
it is extremely beneficial for their particular body to be
vegan or vegetarian or pascatarian. And some people actually need

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to eat red meat, which everyone is very against, right,
because they need whatever is in red meat for their body.
You're not a doctor, so I literally don't care what
you think about going a regional scout for the Titans.
Isn't a doctor, I mean, this isn't not a folk coach. Okay,
but yes, that's my point. Like I get it. You
know it's a very macho to go vegan, but you

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don't know what his dietitian is telling him. You know,
you know when the NFL coach was quoted saying that
over a bowl of chili and some cornbread at lunch
to a sports traps, right, I'll never go vegan, and
to be clear, I eat meat three meals of Okay,
I will not go vegan unless a doctor tells me. Joy.
In order for you to be healthy and live a
long life, you, for your particular body, you need to go.

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My solution everything in life is a big burger at lunch.
It literally solves everything. Backache, headaches, getting fired, and a
shake and throw some eggs in the shake. Lamar Jackson
is two hundred and twelve pounds. He has a pretty
strong running elements. He's not the game, he's not vegan.
But also how much you wait can actually benefit you
in the running game. Cam has had all these injuries.

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Why wouldn't he We were just talking about this with
Nick Swisher yesterday. Why wouldn't he want to take some
weight off? By the way, I'm pretty sure Cam had
abs before he went vegan. But what abs? All right?
Joy with the news? Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd line. So I had a
couple of takes in the last week that maybe regrettable.
We'll figure it out. My buddy Ryan Rossilo, who's part
of a great the Ryan Rassilo podcast, part of The Ringer,

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and Bill Simmons who never calls me back. All right,
let's talk to Ryan Rasilo. My buddy brought me my
Mercedes Ben's the best or nothing. Okay, here's my first take.
It's not even a take. I just want you to
give me a solution. So I've said in two months,
three months, Kawhi Leonard holding a trophy, third Team, MVP,
third System. What the hell am I supposed to do

(26:12):
with that? Is he not a top ten player? All
you tell me is Jordan's the best six for six.
You don't tell me all Star games matter. You don't
tell me MVPs matter, if points mattered, I talk about
Elvin Hayes and Karl Malone. So I just want to
what am I supposed to say with Kawhi Leonard in
three months of he's holding his third trophy in his
the MVP. What do we call him all time? You know,

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it's funny the notes on this. I was prepped up
to believe that you were going to say he was
top five, So I was ready to just crush you, Bob,
because when it comes to top five, like top five
is so lofty, and then that turns it into I
have to do this anti Kawhi argument that I don't
want to do because I love Kawhi and what you're
about to explain here, if you were to get that
third title with a third team is incredible, but if
we have to be difficult about this top five or

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top ten. He wasn't an All Star until his fifth year.
He wasn't even a twenty points a game until his
fifth year. He's one of the great development stories that
we've ever seen in the history of sports. And the
irony with him leaving is that most guys leave because
they don't think they can win. Kawai's like, yeah, I won,
I don't care, I want to go somewhere else. We
knew he didn't want to go to Toronto, who was
more about getting out of San Antonio, and then he

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wins there, and then he's on the custom and maybe
doing some great things here with the Clippers. So I
think it's unique and I think it's different. But when
you start talking top five, top ten, ever, there's just
too many other resumes, guys with the multiple rings, multiple
championships that didn't do it at other places because they
were already winning with their current team. That's pretty good.
It's the best. He's the greatest development basketball story ever.
So I knew Rosilo would give me that. That's actually

(27:36):
a great way to put it. Okay, here's my other thing.
So you and I, whenever we talk, we talk about
kind of what's going to happen, not rear view mirror,
but what's going to happen going forward. So if the
Clippers win, you know, Landry Semi smiths a bunch of games,
Paul George miss twenty games, Kawai's miss fifteen games. You
start looking at all their players, and this is very
Doc Rivers. He did this in Boston. He gives guys
days off if the Clippers and I think they're gonna win,

(27:58):
and I think they're gonna roll who this if healthy,
and the NBA is going to have a team that
won that rested. That that's why this, Lou Williams. I mean,
they're gonna have a team they rested like four of
their top seven players constantly. Does it send a message
to the best players in the league, the hell are
you doing playing seventy eight eighty two games in the
regular season. I don't think the Clippers winning is necessarily

(28:19):
great for the league, And I think they're gonna win
going away because they're deeper and fresher. Your thoughts on that,
that's part of it, okay, And you're right about Doc Rivers.
You go back to those Celtics years. It's like, hey, KG,
that forty minute of night stuff in Minnesota, it's not
happening here. You know, he's like thirty eight, thirty nine.
He goes to thirty. He cut down Pierce's minutes and
made it more efficient. Doc Rivers I think is the
best NBA coach when it comes to how he handles stars.

(28:42):
He's just incredible at it. And anybody that's like anti Doc,
I go, you know, you just there's other parts of
this that Doc is so good at. And so I
just have a hard time with the criticism. However, I
know the Clippers themselves at times, even with these different
you know, lineups and all that, I think they got
frustrated at times. So I'm not saying that this was
even I don't think I agree that it was all
by design. I think at times the lack of starts

(29:03):
were necessity because of Paul George's injuries or some of
the stuff that they've had to do to maintain Kauai
and then Beverly missing time. So I don't think their
preference would have been to have this unit not really
be all that cohesive. And then I think the whole
thing gets blown out because we have this unprecedented four
plus month break. So anybody that's been pro rest like,
here you go, You've got four months off and then

(29:25):
a handful of games before the playoffs start up. So
really it's going to be about their depth and there,
I think adaptability with the different lineups. I mean, the
other thing that the Clippers did is I think they
just gobbled everybody up there at the end to make
sure nobody else could grab them. So I'm with you.
I'm starting to lean more and more Clippers, but I
don't think it's just because of the sporadic starts that
they had with their guys. So Ryan is from Martha's Vineyard,

(29:46):
which is a real Tony area out a such where
rich people grow up, so he doesn't relate necessarily the
common man like I do. But the point being, I've
got I've got a patriot take on this, And again
I love that the richest guys in the industry, you're
always trying to act like I'm a Rockefeller, Okay, whatever,
so you can shoot holes through this. The two things

(30:06):
we know about Belichick, he's prepared as hell and he's smart. Listen,
when you are as good as he is forever, He's
got so much equity in the market. Now all of
a sudden, they weren't aggressive in free agency, no big
hurry to replace Tom, let go of some marginally expensive players,
and now everybody's just opting out Patrick. And I'm not
saying they shouldn't. They either had a baby or it's

(30:28):
on the way. I'm not there, we go, Okay, I'm not,
but now it's like six So I'm not saying tanking.
But sometimes a company has a company has a priority,
and they don't have to release a press release to
tell everybody they're rebooting. They're going five and eleven, getting
a top ten pick and getting one of these three
superstar quarterbacks. Is that nuts? Yeah? I think it's totally nuts.

(30:50):
Belichick's not telling all of these guys. Hey, you know what,
Patrick Chungar just shut it down. We're going for Laurence
out of Clemson. Have you seen his tape? Yeah, all right,
you take a year off, not make any money. I'm
gonna just tank. I just don't think Belichick is wired
that way. I don't think football guys are wired that way.
I think the only people that have ever really suggesting
tanking are front office people that have come from like
non traditional football backgrounds. When I mentioned tanking, did Bill Polian?

(31:12):
I thought he was gonna punch me and ranted. I
thought Bill Polian was gonna punch me, like four or
five times we had him in studio. I love the guy,
but he was just like the concept was. He was
gagging at the thought, as a football guy, of giving
up an entire season, especially when it's that division. I
think Bill is still wired to want to win every
single game, win this division without Brady and Yeah, of
course they're gonna need a long term solution a quarterback.

(31:33):
But to tank for a high quarterback draft pick when
fifty percent of these guys flame out Anyway, no matter
who's evaluating these guys, I think it's to just punt
on an entire year in the NFL is so foreign
to these guys, and certainly somebody like Belichick. I know
you've been on this for a while. Yeah, I respect
the marriage to this take, but I just don't think
Belichick is somebody that's gonna go cool two fourteen mission accomplished. Yeah, listen,

(31:58):
after years of brilliance, I had a bad take. Okay,
that's just the way the show works. Okay, another one.
So they come Mike Stando comes out every year, he
interviews like fifty coaches and they do the tier quarterback thing.
It's mostly right. I think Carson Wentz is a bottom
end Tier one guy. But I laughed at the Jimmy
Garoppolo's Tier three. But let's go to Wentz. So whence

(32:20):
they have middle tier two. The NFL Top one hundred
list is coming out and the Eagles announced yesterday Wentz
is not a top hundred player. I'm like, Okay, is
it still the Nick Foles thing? Is this what it is?
So I want your takeaway, what am I not seeing?
What am I seeing with Wentz? Nobody is what am

(32:41):
I not seeing everybody else's Let's start with this. The
NFL Top one hundred list is the worst list of
the lists that comes out. Okay, you go back to
that thing. Historically, they had Cam Newton is the best
player in the NFL the year after you won the MVP,
and it was like, all right, recency, buyas through the
roof that Ezekiel Elliott top ten after like one year,
here's my biggest I could do this all day, but
I don't want to borry it. Yet they had case

(33:02):
keenam fifty one. They had case Keenum as the fifty
first best player in the NFL. He had never thrown
for more than nine touchdowns in a season in his
entire career, and he has a nice little season and
then he's better than everybody except for fifty players in
the league. So this league, this list is historically like
one where you go, all right, let's just tear this
thing apart. The Wentz argument itself, Colin, It's always felt

(33:26):
like the people that have done this professionally, meaning playing quarterback,
are so enamored with the throws because anybody that you
trust that really has that scouting iris played this game
at a high level, they'll tell you that Wentz has
a handful of throws that nobody else in the league
has except for maybe Prime Rodgers. Okay, I think you're
agreeing with me because I know we've talked about this,
We've heard it all. So I think the guys that
are on TV that played the position are super defensive

(33:47):
of him because they see this ability that they probably
never had. But the injury part of it israel even
though last year he had nobody to throw to. I mean,
that was all like undrafted street guys that he's throwing to,
and there's still heating. So I'm with you on the talent.
He's certainly a top one hundred guy. But I had
Sando on our podcast and we went through this, and

(34:08):
some of the knocks on him are still about Nick Foles,
which is really weird, Like it's an odd unique thing
to happen with Foles. They beat the Pats and he
puts up all these numbers, But I don't know how
that actually gets in the way the evaluation for Wentz.
So it does feel like kind of a make or
break year for the perception of Wanston where he is
in the standings of quarterbacks. Yeah, I got about four

(34:29):
more questions, but I only have a minute and a half.
So I'm gonna give you Jamal Adams. I'll be quick.
You'll have to be that quick. Jamal Adams. I'm not
even gonna preface it or qualify it. Your take on
the move. He's unbelievable watching him. I mean, a safety
that stands out like that, the stats, all that stuff
through the roof. Okay, I don't mind Seattle, I don't
mind any teams like this is a lesser degree Pittsburgh going.
Wait a minute, you guys are giving away mca Fitzpatrick. Okay, done.

(34:52):
He's awesome, Okay, and Adams is even better. So if
you're going to invest in the right guy that's this special,
that this young, that's great. But if Jamal Adams is
going to go to Seattle and for like a few months,
decide he's gonna comment on everything, you know, Like after
a while, I kind of feel like the Jets is like,
we don't even it's not we don't want to pay him.
We're just sick of this every single week. I mean,
this has gone on forever where he's clearly a guy

(35:13):
that wants to be heard, and now that he's in
a better situation, I'm worried if I'm Seattle'll be like, well,
which version are we getting? The guy that's now happy
or the guy that was miserable the entire time with
the Jets. That was pretty good? All right, Rosseillo. It's
good seeing you your tan. It's the summer. This guy's
got a life. I'll tell you something. It's got quite alife.
I'm not even gonna get into what the kind of life,
but it is nothing but sitting out in the sun

(35:34):
and lifting weights. Oh yeah, you're a riot. All right, buddy,
Well I grabbed this. It was on the free pile
before I left. Yeah, I bet it was. Yeah, great,
Thanks buddy, Ryan Rosseillo'll listen to his podcast, The Ryan
Rossilo Podcast. That's funny. I'm gonna take a break the Herd.
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(36:17):
led light and everything. I'll get to the whole thing
about the DM thing in a second. So I think
the Clippers are going to roll through the bubble as
long as they don't get hurt. I don't think the
Lou Williams thing, I'll talk about that top of the hours,
that big of a deal. I don't love him going
to a strip club to get wings, but it's it's
the team all years, miss multiple guys, they go ten deep.

(36:39):
I think the Lakers, and I've said this is this
is not gonna work. Avery Bradley's out, Rondo's out. That's
gonna put more pressure on Alex Caruso, who I don't
know what. Alex Caruso isn't a big spot. You don't either,
Lakers don't. But I think the loser in all this
for the Lakers is actually Kyle Kuzma. Because the minute

(36:59):
Avery brad is out, Kyle Kuzma has to become the
third best player. And there are Knights in a season
fifteen he is, and there's Knights thirty five. He's not
close to it, and then there's another forty Knights in
the average season. You don't know what you get. All
I know is Lebron doesn't trust Kyle Kuzma, and Kuzma,

(37:19):
I'll make a prediction will not be a Laker in
one year. And I like him, but he needs a restart.
He is bizarrely inconsistent. Yesterday he was on Twitter sort
of making fun of people because the Lakers announced before
their scrimmage with the Wizards they were not going to
play a bunch of veterans, and one of the reporters,
Mike Trudell, put Kyle Kuzma among Dwight Howard and all
their veteran players, and he's like, bro, I'm a kid,

(37:41):
I'm twenty five years old. No, you're a guy that
played lots of years of college, three years of the NBA,
and Lebron demands one thing from his teammates. You do
not have to be great. Lebron's played with a lot
of guys who aren't great, and he likes him a lot.
He loves Shane Battier, Udonis Haslem. A lot of that
Miami team was d Wade and Bosh. It wasn't the

(38:02):
Lebron's never demanded. Matthew Delavadova isn't great, but Lebron consistency, like,
consistently liked how tough he was. Kuzma's problem. He is
the most inconsistent Laker I've seen in half a decade.
Earlier this year there was a night in which he
had twenty six points and played great. The next night

(38:23):
he had zero. Two best games this year he had
twenty six against Alison, thirty six against Oklahoma City, pretty
good teams. He followed that with eleven against the awful
Calves and four against awful Orlando. Lebron struggles with teammates
that are inconsistent. He doesn't demand perfection. He doesn't even
demand you're great. He liked Tristan Thompson. Not a great player,

(38:47):
you got a consistent effort. Tristan bangs on the boards,
he plays hard, He's a tough guy. So I think
the minute Avery Bradley left the Lakers, it put in
enormous strain on Kuzma. And he's a guy that just
loses his confidence like that, He just this is just
what he is. And it drives Lebroun crazy. And if

(39:10):
you watch the Lakers play, and I do, you can
tell Lebron never quite knows what he's getting with Kyle Kuzma.
So that is my concern, all right, So I've got
to solve this problem. So I think Twitter too often
as people looking for validation. I just it's it's it's
it's projecting, it's psychology, one o one, it's look at me,
how wonderful I am. So I like to DM people, Hey,

(39:34):
good job, keep kicking butt. I'd like to bring joy
in an expert on social media IDM. Is it creepy
if I DM a twenty eight year old reporter, male
or female and go, hey, you are a kicking butt.
Keep going. No, so you wouldn't if we didn't work together.

(39:55):
And I was like, hey, your sideline stuff today. You
look great, You're great, You're a hustler. I love it
if that's all you said. Yeah, I said you look great.
US So complicated, is it? It kind of is? Yes?
So when giving like a compliment to a woman and
you're not trying to be creepy and like just compliment

(40:17):
her work. Generally leaving any kind of appearance comment out
is the way to go. So I could say, I
like your I think your synapses are firing. I think
your grammar was exceptional. Oh, you could just say like,
you're doing a great job. Keep it up. No talk
about appearance if you don't if you want zero perception
of creepiness, yes, if you don't care about the perception

(40:38):
of creepiness, and you are still giving a genuine compliment.
What I told you today, I think your hair makes
you look younger, and you said thank you. Yeah, But
I mean we work together, and I know you're not
being creepy. It's really complicated. That was not enough time
to break that down at all. Okay, well we'll do
more on top of the hour. It's I'm telling you something.
It used to just be a good job, Bob, and

(40:59):
that was you went home and slept well. Now no,
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(41:24):
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I think I've decided not to DM anymore. You don't
have too complicated, not to be so dramatic. I just don't.
I don't think I'm gonna do it. I can that's dramatic.

(41:45):
I don't think it. I think I'm only dming men
and mostly old, unattractive men, because then I can say
anything and I'm fine. I just don't want to get
in trouble. Well, I don't think you're gonna get into trouble.
I think it's weird. So I've said that a little
bit of time. I've convinced that it's weird because I said,
if Bob, I'm not saying I'm Bob cost Us. If
Bob cost Us when I was twenty nine years old, yes,

(42:06):
I would have said, hey, DM me back in the day.
If we would have had Twitter and said, hey, loved
your live shot, you look great, you sound great, congrats kid,
I literally wouldn't have slept for a week. Yeah, that's awesome.
Well that's what I do. Well, there's nothing wrong with that.
The way you describe it's not great. What do you mean,
I don't know the way I can't You can't talk

(42:27):
about appearance. I didn't say you can't talk about a peer.
How you said I'd be creepy, I'm not talking about
I did not say that. I don't think I'm creepy,
but I could be. Maybe people think I'm weird. I
can speak for myself, right, I'm a woman in the business. Yeah,
we say we didn't work together. If you had DM
me and said that, I would have been thrilled. It's
the follow up that is the problem. When I sent

(42:48):
you my number and said, like that, simple drop it,
keep it pushing is fine. Like anything further than that
is when it becomes weird because you know it goes
down in the DM. So you just just drop your
compliment and keep moving. Yeah, you know a lot of
young sportscasters. No more compliments from me. That's I thought.
I explained that very clearly, right. So I have a

(43:11):
not a theory, but I think what I'm about to
say is obvious. I don't think commissioners root for teams
to win championships, but I do think if I was
running a league. If we were running a league, you'd
look to you see potential problems coming up. You try
to get ahead of problems. I don't think the NBA
loved Adam Silver said he didn't love Kevin Durant going
to the Warriors because the problem was, oh, hell, they're

(43:32):
going to run through the league and then and now
everybody's just going to join great teams, and that hurts
the competitive balance. So I think actually the league kind
of liked Toronto winning last year. I think they kind
of liked it. It was like new fresh and it
caught everybody off guard. I don't think the league wants
Toronto to become the next dynasty for twenty years a
Canadian team, But I do think the league liked that

(43:55):
Lebron lost to Dallas. Initially, they didn't roll off four straight.
They struggled, lost, first, lost left. I think the league
loved when Lebron won in Ohio. I think it was
such a great story. Maybe my favorite Game seven ever,
Cleveland beating the Warriors, and I like the Warriors. If
you have a heart, you had to root for Lebron
in Cleveland. If you have a heart and don't live

(44:15):
in the Bay area. So I do think there are times,
you know, there are endings that are better for the league.
But I think what the league is oh is looking
at a commissioner is looking at Roger Goodell, Rob Manfred
Adam Silver is Wow, this could be a potential problem.
We got to find a solution for something potentially. And
that's why Durant to Golden State was a little off putting.
If they what if they crush everybody for the next

(44:37):
two years, and they kind of did. That's why Toronto
winning was good. It's very interesting. So Lou Williams leaves
the bubble. The Clippers have had like four guys leave
the bubble for different reasons, and I don't think it's
a big deal. I don't love him getting chicken wings
at a strip club or whatever he did. I don't
love it. But in the end, it's what the Clippers are.
The regular season, they're literally built, it looks like for

(45:01):
the Western Conference in the finals, and they've not had
a big deal with urgency. So this year, Kawhi is
miss thirteen games, Paul George twenty two, Patrick Beverley sixteen,
Landry Schmitt seventeen. So if they win the championship. I
don't think it's great messaging for the NBA. It's for

(45:23):
the star players. I'm plays, I'm planning eighty games. Why
do you see how fresh Paul George was? Do you
see how fresh Kawhi is. Listen, we know sports or
copycat leagues, NFL, NBA, baseball, hockey. You can see it's
like analytics. If somebody wins a certain way, everybody's like,
oh yeah, tet confirmation bias or recency bias. But I mean,

(45:45):
if you start looking at the NBA. The Raptors won
last year in Kawhi miss twenty two games. The year before,
Golden State won Steph Miss thirty one, Kadi fourteen, Clay
Thompson nine, and Draymond twelve Boston, San Antonio. You start
looking at this and you wonder Nick Wright how to
tweet the other day and he said true respect to
the Clippers for treating every single step of the regular season,

(46:07):
including the restart, as a totally meaningless theater and a
preamble of the postseason. I remain highly skeptical. I do
think if the Clippers win, I do think Adam Silver
is sitting there thinking, you know, they guess roll through
this thing. I got a load management issue we're going
to have to address, by the way, and I think

(46:28):
Adam Silver is really smart. This is why Adam Silver,
I think has already thought of this. Of course he has.
He wants to reduce the number of games. I've noticed
that he wants to pull the games down to sixty
eight because sixty eight feels like it's pro player eighty two.
I mean, I'll be honest with you. NBA travel sucks. Literally,

(46:49):
leave a game, get on a plane, fly to Cleveland,
get off the plane, nine degrees van of the airport.
It's a mat. I've known coaches and buddies. It's a schlog.
It's the worst. It's really base, Alicia, stay there for
four days. And in football you only travel eight road
games NBA, and in the NBA's in the winner turbulence,
land freezing, van, freezing, hotel three in the morning. It's

(47:11):
no good. That's why Lebron's like, can we stop this
back to back thing? It's like I got some power. Terrible.
So I do think if you add, if you say,
can we gonna play sixty eight games, it's much easier
to talk a guy into playing sixty five and go
and listen, take a couple of take a couple of
Roadie's off play for the home fans. So I think
Adam Silver is ahead of this, but I do think
it's interesting if you have look at how many games

(47:33):
the Clippers have missed. And Nick Wright is right, it's
just a preamble, it's just theater. Kawhi thirteen, Paul George
twenty two, Beverley sixteen, Landry Shamat seventeen. That is Doc
Rivers saying take the night off could be a little problem.
So Charles Barkley next hour, Cliff Avril, and Mike Sando
this hour. Mike Sando does this every year. He does

(47:56):
the four tiers of quarterback Tier one, superstars, Tier two
really good, year three better than average, Tier four not much.
And Mike Sandal will join us in about thirty minutes.
So he asked fifty NFL coaches, head coaches, coordinators, and evaluators.
They rate thirty five quarterbacks and so I don't disagree
with a lot of it, but it's really funny. Carson

(48:17):
Wentz is behind Matt Stafford, behind Matt Ryan, and just
ahead of Philip Rivers and Dak Prescott. And it gets worse.
In the NFL Top one hundred list NFL dot Com,
Carson Wentz does not make the Top one hundred. Josh
Allen makes it, Kyler Murray makes it. Some guys on this.

(48:39):
Ryan Tannehill makes it, Dak makes it, Kirk Cousins makes it.
Carson Wentz doesn't make it. And I think a lot
of this comes down to the Nick Foles thing. Now,
let me just give you some numbers. If you take
out Carson Wentz's rookie year, and Joy as my witness,
I always think about rookie year, just take the rookie
year out. Lamar didn't play much, Mahomes didn't take Harson Wentz.

(49:00):
Take out the rookie year. What is he? Folks? Eighty
one touchdowns, twenty one picks, ninety eight passer rating. He's
a really elite quarterback. He's a Tier one guy to me,
lower tier one, but tier one. But I think a
lot of this They asked executives what they thought of
Carson Wentz, and they kept saying, well, they won the
super Bowl without without him in Nick Foles, you know

(49:24):
they won the super Bowl that Nick Foles did. How
you won a super Bowl without him? This is something
that I have talked a great deal about two people
in the league executives. The difference between a starting quarterback
and a backup is consistency. You get the same game
mostly with Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, fourteen of the sixteen weeks,

(49:45):
Ryan Tannehill all over the map. The elite quarterback, Patrick
Mahomes can have an off game, but fourteen of the
sixteen weeks Rogers, Russell, Breeze, Brady, they kind of looked
like the same quarterback. And I'll give you an example
of this. Nick Foles is Ryan Fitzpatrick. Ryan Fitzpatrick is
Nick Foles. Nick Foles gets home field advantage because the

(50:07):
Carson Wentz and then Carson gets hurt and Nick Foles
goes out. And the first game without Carson Wentz, nick
Foles was great. Then he was awful for two weeks,
then he was good again, then he was okay, then
he was great in the super Bowl. But here's funny
thing about Ryan Fitzpatrick. If you go I'll just take
Ryan Fitzpatrick, who's gonna start for the Dolphins. If you
take Ryan Fitzpatrick's five best games ever, look at the

(50:28):
numbers twenty touchdowns, one pick, one hundred forty seven, passer
rating seventy five percent, completion percentage, doesn't lose. Ryan Fitzpatrick
when he is on is filthy. He's better than the Holmes.
He's filthy when he's on. But then every third game
it is a football tragedy that is Nick Foles. So

(50:52):
this idea that you know Nick Foles one the Super Bowl,
no actually go to. When Nick Foles took over for Wentz,
it was classic backup. He was terrific the first week,
not much, very good, not much against Atlanta, great against
New England without Malcolm Butler in a wild shootout. But

(51:15):
it is amazing that Carson Wentz doesn't make the top
one hundred players in the league. Josh Allen does I mean,
come on, players, come on, you gotta get over this
Nick Fole stuff. You just I mean, it's it happens.
It happens all the time. Mark Sanchez got to AFC
championship games. If you have the right cast, you have momentum,

(51:37):
your O line is healthy, You've got a good running game.
The defense is making stops. Tim Tebow won seven straight
football games, won a playoff game against Pittsburgh. Dick Lebo
legendary defensive coordinator. If you don't think Carson Wentz is
a top one hundred player in the league, I can't
even help you. It's like your TV didn't work last December.

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don't think I'm a jerk. But I'm okare to do that, right,
Like I don't want to run with a mask, but
I have the mask around me and if I see
old feeble people that are wobbling in on the trail,
I mean yeah, Like the purpose of the mask is
when you're around other people, so I can jog and
not wear it when you're not around other people. Yeah, yeah,
all right, because I do the same thing. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's it's it's not idea. I'm walking at just
wear a mask as it doesn't matter. But if i'm
if I'm running, I will don't do that. Cliff Avril

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ten years in the NFL, a couple of Super Bowls,
one one of them U and now he is joining
us in Seattle. By the way, he doesn't look weights
anymore because he no longer plays. But you do work out,
by the way, when you run or jog. What's the
mask protocol up in Seattle? What is the protocol? I'm
not wearing a mask. It makes it too hard running.
It is hard enough, right, then you put a mask

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over your face and trying to it's too much. So yeah,
I run with that one. All right, that's good. I'm okay. Well,
I'm not offended by that at all. Let me start
with this. A lot of people are saying, oh my god,
the cowboy are the Seahawks got fleeced? I mean, Mica
Fitzpatrick was one first rounder, Jamal Adams was two and
a third round and a starting safety. What would you say,
as somebody who covers and talks about the Seahawks and
Seattle media about they kind of got taken to the

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cleaners on this? I wouldn't say they got taken to
the cleaners, did I mean? Did they get get rid
of a lot of you know, draft picks? Yes? But
Jamala is an exceptional a player. I mean, he's a LaDue.
He does a lot of great things. But not only that.
The Seahawks need that type of player in the middle
of the field, right, and he reminds me of a
camp chancellor. They need an enforce, so they need that

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guy to get active in the middle of the field,
make these slot receivers a little timid of coming across
the field in different things like that. So he's definitely
a dynamic player and he changes up the outcome of games.
So you gotta give up, you gotta give some things
up for those types of players. So you know Pete
Carroll's schemes, what does he do with dbs? Is Pete

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kind of because Jamal Adams lines up at linebacker more
than he lines up at safety. So is Pete willing
to let a guy ad lib to be more aggressive.
You've had him before as a coach, most definitely. I
mean you look at Earl Thomas, you look at Camp Chanceller,
Camp Chesso was more of a box safety. He was
one of those guys that would line up, you know,

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at the linebacker position and hit the sea gap, hit
the b gat read, you know, guards pulling in different
things like that. So it's not surprising that they went
after a Jamal Adams, a guy that does play in
the box, that can play big like that in the
box in the running game, because that was an issue
last year, that was a problem for the team as
the defense last year is they couldn't really slow down offenses,

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and in order to do that, you got to have
those guys in the middle that that can stuff those gaps.
And again I'm talking about those crossing rocks with the
slot receivers and different things like that. Putting fear in
those guys eyes, I think is huge, and I think
that's what Jamal brings to the game. Seattle, I would argue,
feels a tad top heavy. They have the second best
quarterback in the league, the best linebacker and Bobby Wagoner,
and I think the best safety in Jamal Adams. But

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when you get to their fifth, eighth, tenth, twelfth best player,
I don't I don't see a Kansas City or a
Baltimore depth were the ninth best players a borderline pro bowler?
Am I wrong on that? Oh? I don't know about
that now, I don't know about that. I mean, you
look at the offensive side of the ball. You look
at Tyler Rockey, he's an elite, a dynamic player. I mean,
he just made the top one hoodie right, he's talking
about DK Metcalf, Chris Carson, who's running He had one

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of the top yards last year as a running back.
Then okay, yes, you talked about Bobby Wagener, but kJ right,
it's not a bad player. He's a veteran player that
has done some great things and very underrated his whole career.
You add Jamal Adams and then possibly possibly be able
to get Clowney. I think they're a little bit better
than what you're getting credit for. So we were talking
about New England. It's it's interesting with the Patriots. I

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don't think tanking exists in the NFL. It's too physical,
but I do think there are organizations that can see
they can take two steps a step back to take
two steps forward. I thought Miami last year got rid
of some good players in contracts, said you know what,
we'd probably be better keeping those players. We're gonna step back,

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accumulate draft picks, have some space with salary. We're gonna
come back a little and then a year from now
take two steps up. And they did. They went and
got free agents this offseason. I look at all these
New England players opting out, and I look at how
they were not aggressive in free agency. They let some
really good guys go, didn't even better than them, And

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I think to myself. Listen, they had Brady, they have
equity with fans. It's sort of a if we go
five and eleven and get a top ten pick, it's
not the worst thing in the world's And now this
morning I hear six seven guys have opted out of
the season. Would they do it if Brady was there?
I what is your takeaway? And suddenly all these Patriots
opting out? Well, let's talk about the Miami situation, right

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with how you say they took a step back to
get more players. But we don't know what that looks
like yet. We don't know, you know, we don't know.
This is still a big question mark with those guys.
So I don't it's too hard to win in the NFL.
It's too hard to think of going to be able
to sit out, you know, or lose some games to
get draft picks and whatnot. Didn't think you're gonna win
the following year. I think that's that's pretty hard to do.

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So I see the menial Patres going out there and competing.
I think picking up Cam was huge for these guys.
I do think if Cam doesn't play well, they try
to draft another person. But again, we all understand and
know that it's extremely hard to draft really good quarterbacks.
You're kind of diamond in the rough with Tom Brady,
right sixth round draft pick, he becomes the most elite

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quarterback ever. That doesn't happen to Walton. You can't just
find those guys. So I've seem menially going out there compete.
I don't see them trying to lose games to get
draft picks and whatnot, because it's the draft is a craption.
You don't know what's gonna get. You just don't know
what you can get, so why depend on that. So
the NFL players vote on the top one hundred players
tend to be a little bit prisoner of the moment.

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They once had case keenom as a top fifty player.
Carson Wentz, by the way, is not in their top
one hundred according to stories out today, which I think
is absurd. They have Jimmy Garoppolo, you know, is in
it somewhere. But it's interesting because the Athletic did a piece.
Mike Sando did that he talked to fifty NFL coaches
and they were not high on Wentz. And then and

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then you look at the Tier three NFL coaches with
Mike Sando, they're not high on Garoppolo. So when you
look at wenton Garoppolo, let's start with Garoppolo. Is he
an elite quarterback? To you? I think he's a good quarterback.
I wouldn't put him in the elite category just yet.
But the only reason I say that is because he
hasn't had to be elite for his team. Yes, they

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were to the Super Bowl, but you look at his team,
I mean, it kind of reminds me of Russell Wilson
early on. Right, Russell didn't have to necessarily be elite
when he first came into the league. The years we
were to the Super Bowl, and he didn't have to
do that because he was surrounded by a lot of
great players. Talk about Mars Shawn, you talk about doub
ball and you look on the defensive side of the ball,
there were so many elite athletes on that defense. It's

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no different with this situation with Jimmy g h. You know,
he has a really good running game and his defensive firbs.
His defense is one of the most elite defenses out
there that played last year, So he didn't have to
be elite. So as far as for being elite right now.
I don't see it. But he doesn't have to be
that because they're still winning ball games and he has
a lot of great players around him. All right, let's
go to Carson when too, I thought carry the Eagles.

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Do you think he's elite? I think he's on the
verge of being an elite. The thing about Carson's gonna
always play him unless he wins a Super Bowl by himself,
he will never really be considered an elite quarterback because
his team, although he led his team majority of that season,
he didn't finish it off. So they need to see
a finished product. That's why when you talk about Aaron Rodgers,

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you talk about Russell Wilson, you talk about all these
elite players. They were playing in the Super Bowl. They
led their team to super Bowls. So as of right now,
I think he's a really, really good quarterback, but he's
he's not elite just yet. By the way, the players
opting out for New England, it's interesting about opting out
because football it's a badge of honor and football to

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play hurt it just is I mean, it's it's like
in baseball, there's another game tomorrow. If you're if your
hands bothering in baseball, you can check out. In football
by week five, everybody's got an issue. Do you when guys,
would would you consider opting out? I mean, what do
you make of the opting out opportunity for NFL players?
Would you worry about resentment or bitterness because you weren't

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there for the journey? See? I think there's a difference
in the in the situation. Yes, what you just spoke on.
As far as for injuries, you know you bush your
hand up, can you go out there and play, take
it up and go right? I think the difference here
is that players don't know what the long term effects
of this virus is. Right, you can avoid some of
those injuries that you get on the football field. You
know when you go out there, you might roll an ankle,

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you might break an ankle or a leg or something
like that. But you also know how to kind of
get out of it. You know how to avoid those
type of situations. But this virus, you don't know what
the long term effects is. You don't know. You don't
know how this affects you five years from now, when
you're not in the NFL. You know how what the
hits and different things like that, Dude, to you five
years from now, you just don't know what that is.
So for me, the I don't know where you're at

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your career. I can see why guys are opting out.
I'm actually kind of happy that guys are opting out
and they're making a decision based on what they truly
believe and not necessarily letting not necessarily letting the money
dictate if they're going to play or not, or how
they're going to go about this. So I'm happy to
see some of the guys do it. Um. You know,
I don't think any of the guys in the locker
room will feel any kind of way about them, because again,

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the injuries on the football field, you know how to
avoid those, but you don't know what COVID's gonna do
to you later on in life. Cliff Averel, good talking
to you again, buddy, as always, good stuff. Thanks man,
appreciate it. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it, you bet.
Cliff Avil a couple of Super Bowls, a Pro Bowl
as well, first player in NFL history win a Super
Bowl after having been on a winless team. He was

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on the Owen sixteen Lions and then they went and
he went to Seattle on a Super Bowl. Boy, that
is a outhouse to the penthouse situation there. All right,
somebody who DMS regularly, Joey Taylor Dodd? What are you doing?
Do you DM? Do I use the MS? Yes? But

(01:03:02):
that's that is I don't even know. I can't. I
was not prepared for that. I don't have a comeback.
But untrue. You see, you see much more pro DM
than I am. I'm I'm okay. So you there's just
a lot of there's a lot of implications. So you
have DMed other reporters before, Yeah, I mean I talk
to people in the business all the time mail female. Yeah,

(01:03:27):
seems like you have. You can have conversations with people
of the opposite sex without being creepy. It's not difficult. Actually,
you know, don't talk about things that are creepy. So
just talk business. Yes, how is your portfolio? I mean
unless you know somebody on a on a personal level,
then you can then you can not talk business the
whole time. Yeah, I think I should stop the whole

(01:03:49):
DM ng strangers. That's probably a problem. I don't think
that that's a problem. Let's talk about your p pe ratio.
It would it would validate me as a professional to
have Colin Coward tell me that I'm doing a good job.
That's what I do. All the young aspiring fledgeling stars
in our business, male and female, I had until today.

(01:04:13):
Now it's over. It's just man, Hey, your doctors look great.
Good luck going forward. That's the new meets. Patrick Mahomes
continues to show his commitment to the city of Kansas City.
He is now a part owner of the Kansas City Royals.
Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Molomes is well Aaron Rodgers owns
a little bit of a box like one half of
one percenters only that Yeah, I don't know what the

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percentage is. But the team made the announcement today, with
Mahomes saying he is honored to be a part of
the organization and he is excited to deepen his roofs
in the community. Obviously, mahomes dad was a Major League
pitcher for eleven seasons. A lot of outlets are saying
he's the youngest owner in sports. He's actually not. Serena
Williams made her two year old daughter, Alexis Olympia, the
owner of the new National Women's Soccer League expansion team

(01:04:57):
that's coming to LA in twenty twenty two. But regardless,
it's still still an amazing accomplishment. And he is going,
he's really he's he's played the situation in Kansas City
perfectly because Kansas City is one of those places that
is incredibly loyal, incredibly lows of their stars in a
huge sports city. So for him to not only be

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a superstar quarterback that loves and completely is embracing the city,
just sign a ten year contract, He's going to be
there forever. Just bought them a super Bowl off for
fifty years MVP, and now he's part owner of the Royals.
I mean, he's in the legend forever. This it's it's done.
Done of the Super Bowl. Didn't cement that. But he's no,
he's like he's like Zion. Some kids just have they

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understand the temperature of the room. They they have and
they have a very unique self awareness. Yes, like Zion
gets how important he is for the NBA, he gets it,
like Patrick gets that this is a big deal for
Kansas City beyond Hey we've got a good player. Having
self awareness is is a sign of maturity. Yeah, but
it's It's a very valuable thing to have because, like

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you said, you can read the room and make decisions
that are macro decisions that will affect you for years
to come. And generally, you know, young people in any
business don't don't have that. So Keenan Allen was not
happy about being ranked seventy seventh on the NFL Top
one hundred lists. We've been talking about that all day,
and he got into it on Twitter with Mike Evans
and Chris Godwin. He called him out and said he

(01:06:22):
was a better receiver than them. He's good. He ranked
six in the NFL last season with one thousand, one
hundred nine nine yards, which puts some ahead of Evans
at thirteenth, but not Godwin who was third in the league.
And he was also behind both Bucks receivers in receiving
touchdowns last year. Yeah, he's banged up a little bit,
but when he's healthy, he's great. He was great at
Cal He's been great. He's a really really high end

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player who gets banged up a little bit. But they're
actually kind of uniquely comparable as far as who's throwing
to them, because obviously he was catching from Philip Rivers
and they were quarterback Chris James Winston so as his
ProFootball focused ranking or average run walking great, I'm sorry.
It's sixty eight point six of her seven seasons. Mike
Evans is a little higher. Chris Godwin is seventy point one,

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so you know they're right around there. But I think
this is fun like this is I don't I don't
really take it as being mean spirited like it's it's levels. Yeah,
Keenan Allen, if you take away his injuries, he has
a real legit argument. He also said he was better
than Tyreek Hill. He has a different skill set, but
he's he's really good. Tyreek is not the route runner,

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Keenan Allen. This Tyreek's fastest guy in the world. Yeah,
I would take Tyreek for his especially if I have
Mahomes a quarterback and Tyreek. When you have a world
class arm like a Brett far speed receivers change the
whole dynamic of everything absolutely, so everything is not equal
for all of the NBA players in the bubble. JJ
Reddick talks about the rooms they're staying in and confirmed

(01:07:49):
that the superstars are getting some special treatment. Oh, I
like to hear this. I've been in a couple of
my teammates rooms, and I've seen some video a couple
of superstars room at other hotels. And let me just
tell you, the Bubble experience is not the same for
every player. Some guys basically have two and three bedroom apartments. Yeah.
I don't have that, no kitchen for me. But there
are some guys I've been in fourteen years and I

(01:08:11):
can't get a nice room. Whatever. I can't tell if
he's being serious or not. Well, I listen, I'm gonna
get leblonde about a room. I'm sorry, but here's the thing.
This Bubble wasn't built for the NBA, the league to
come there and finish their season. It's a resort where
families go with their families to go to Disney World.

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So every suite, every room is not a presidential suite.
They might only have two presidential suites in the whole hotel.
Get Bailess gets a parking spot. I don't. Yeah, listen,
we're all on the same team together here at FUS one.
We're all treated fairly. I don't get the same treatment
as Colling coward. You Emiday, eat your calling, coward. Bitter
ski Ski gets a parking spot not bitter. We all

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make it work right, every gets treated fairly, not the same. CJ.
McCollen shared a picture of Decker agents he put on
Damon Lillard's door for his birthday, and the NBA posted
one as well, but they took the presidential sweet sign,
which is not a funny, like, no one's gonna notice that.
But Damian Lillard's gonna get a better room than a

(01:09:15):
guy on the off the bench for the Pelicans. Of
course he is, okay, but also there are not That's
not how hostels are built. It wasn't designed. If it
was built for NBA league, the league to go there,
then of course everyone movie a presidential suite. It's not
built for that. It's build for people to go on vacations.
So there's one or two presidential sweets in the hotel.
Joy was a news. That's right, Well that's the news,

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and thanks for stopping by. I spent I have spent
a lot of time at Disney World because I was
I was at the other place that was owned by Disney, right,
my kids did Disney for five years. I've seen every
draft I've I've I've stayed in. I love Disney World.
It's great. My kids love it well. When things were open,
usually do a yearly ship with my girlfriends and do

(01:09:56):
a drink around the world. It's correct in Orlando. Yeah,
there's an African themed one, like what's that one called
that's the best one. Well, no, there's like there's different countries.
So there's Africa, there's like Iceland, there's England. I like
Germany because I get it brought worst and that grape
fruit beer and then they have like this honey whiskey shot.
I've done this too much. Yeah it is. It's really fun.

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You get your cute little ears. It's so much bigger
than Disney. Disneyland's like a it's like a oh yeah,
Orlando is a whole, but I mean there's more space there.
Oh my god. It's you can get lost in Orlands. Yeah,
you can't get the Disney in California is tiny. Yeah,
it's very different. Yeah. Oh oh. Mike Sando the athletic
Charles Barkley Last Hour, Mike Sandos, the guy that interviewed
all these NFL guys on the quarterback tiers. Very interest

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that he's coming up next. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Herd week days and noon Easter nine
am Pacific. So Mike Sando works for the Athletic. He
just told me it's his favorite project of the year.
He talks to fifty NFL coaches and evaluators. They rate
thirty five veteran quarterbacks. You know, they take out the
rookies and they do four tiers. So let's go to
Mike up in the Pacific Northwest in Seattle. Mike Sandals,

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senior writer for the Athletic. He's a selector for the
Pro Football Hall of Fame. So I pretty much agree
with everything I found. Carson Wentz shockingly low. So Carson
Wentz thirty five Tier two votes. Overwhelmingly he's a Tier two.
I think if he gave him a high Tier two,
I'm fine. Double digit Tier three votes. Mostly coaches don't

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see a difference between Carson Wentz, Philip Rivers, and Deck
I do. Were you shocked with that? No? I thought
he could be punished more for you know, moderate team success,
except for when they had a top five defense in
twenty seventeen, and you only really one full season as
a starter since his rookie years. So people see the trades,

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they see exactly what you're seeing. Colin and they sort
of would like to put him in a one, but
I think they would like to see a little bit
more consistency of him being able to pick his spots.
I think there's a feeling that he plays like it's
desperation time all the time and takes some risks, and
then you know the team concepts, team concepts separating out
the quarterback. He's got one great record on a year

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they were light set on defense. The other years they've
been seven to nine, nine and seven, and he hasn't
been able to eleve him. So I clearly have a
blind spot for Jimmy Garoppolo. Your voters fifty coaches thirty
seven had him Tier three, which is slightly above Sam
Darnold and Daniel Jones and Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield
and Ryan Tannehill. I thought, coming off an ACL injury,

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which can screw with guys heads, it's kind of psychologically daunting.
I thought he had a hell of a year. Were
you surprise most people think of him as slightly better
than average. No, Because the context that the players play
in is so huge for the coaches and evaluators, they
look at Kirk Cousins or Jimmy Garoppolo playing in these

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heavy playoff action offenses with great defenses where you're not
really putting it on their back and asking him to
do it. It's a little bit early in Russell Wilson's career.
You know he had the great defense. Marshawn Lynch. The
quarterback isn't getting as much credit. So there are people
who think that Jimmy is better than those guys you mentioned,
But he's got one full season as a starter. The

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quarterback or the coach took the ball out of his
hands and key moments, and he hasn't been asked to
really put it on his shoulders and do it for
a whole year. So Lamar is exquisite. He jumps off
a television set. He ends up being just behind Tom
Brady in Tier two. Did that surprise you? I wasn't
really sure what was going to happen with him, because

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everybody would agree Tier one football player maybe the best
football player in the league. The tiers are set up
so that there is a pier pass component, right, so
when you're down twenty eight three in the Super Bowl,
or you're trailing twenty four to nothing in the playoffs,
like Mahomes was the Tier one quarterback is able to

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put it on his arm without the context of the
running game and do it. So for Lamar, he's so
much better in other areas. Does that overcome it? I
think he moved up more than anybody by far. But
you know, if he'd maybe had some playoff success, been
able to lead them back, I think he would have
vaulted cleanly into Tier one and maybe he's still will
this coming season. I have said repeatedly, and not just

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because I'm from the Pacific Northwest, that Aaron Rodgers was
better than Russell Wilson to me until two years ago.
And then I think Russell Wilson has the ability like
perhaps no quarterback I've seen since Montana. Everybody works with
Russell Wilson. Will Disley was a blocking tight end at Washington.
He was a defensive end initially for Washington. Now he's

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a valuable asset. So the votes here are close, But
Russell's slightly ahead of Aaron, which I think is exactly
where he is. He's slightly better than Aaron today. Did
that surprise you? Wasn't sure where it's gonna do. I
thought Rogers could follow a little more at four tier
two votes out of fifty, and Mahomes and Wilson became

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the only unanimous guys. So I think it came out
just right, you know. And I find that most years
that I do this callin, I look at it and I, oh, yeah,
that's about right. There's a couple of guys I might tweak,
but I think it's right. I think Wilson has taken
that step, and you know, has shown he gets that
team to the playoffs without much support offense or defense sometimes.
So was there a quarterback you looked at and you thought,

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I mean, I it's funny, we're all out. Everybody's now out.
On Jared Goff, he finished above Garoppolo. I like him,
but I do think when the interior offensive line got hurt,
there are limitations on what he can do running for
his life. Is there somebody for you that's a little high,
a little low? You think, yeah, to me, Dak Prescott.

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And it's funny you thought carsonal Wentz should be way higher.
But I feel like Dak Prescott's may be done more
than Wentz in some ways. And I get the evaluations
that are, you know, just from a peer skill set evaluation.
Where I would that you might like Wentz, but I
feel like Dak Prescott has outplayed him the last couple
of years and certainly been on the field more so
if he would have been a notch above Wentz, I

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would have understood that. How about you, I'm a Wenz guy.
I think Wentz is the only guy in the league, Mike.
There's two guys in this league that make throws with
arm angles that I don't think anybody else can do.
Mahomes and Wentz will make throws, and I'll be like, Okay,
Russell Wilson can do that and I and I so
in terms of talent, I may be one of these
people that falls in love with talent, and I maybe

(01:16:30):
I have a little hype balloon here with Carson Wentz.
I like him more than others. But I think the
criticism is fair when you talk to coaches about this,
and you you, um, what matters to coaches about quarterbacks?
What do you when when you build this tier system out?
What matters to them? Do we have to do anything
specially on our game plan for this guy or is
he just a guy just in that our guy? This week?

(01:16:51):
You know, there was a hilarious quote in there about
you know on Cousins said, hey, he's a legitimate Tier three,
but we never go into the game scene. We gotta
have a plan for the SEFN guy. You know, that
was sort of the quote, and I think that's part
of it. You know that they're not going like, what
are we gonna do? We got Cousins this week. You know,
it's not like that, but it is like that with Rogers.
Still it is that way with Wilson. You know, you're
worried about that guy with Lamar Jackson two, So I think,

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are you different that way? And then clearly the pier
pass element is a big part of us. The game's changed.
Look at the tip top Tier all the guys, but
Breeze can beat you with their legs too. Their threats
are two way threat But I think to really be
the consistent one when we're behind and we can't do
play action and we can't do the running game component,
can you carry it? Still still a big thing for

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everybody in the league, So I think that always comes
through every year. So Mahomes and Russell are they got
fifty Tier one votes. Everybody went Tier one, Rogers got
forty six. Breeze thirty three. D Shawn got twenty eight.
I don't recall previous years. Is about two guys per
year that everybody agrees or Tier one? Is that about

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the average? Well, before this year, only Rogers and Brady
had been unanimous, and they did it four straight years
from twenty fifteen to eighteen. Those are the only guys
who have done unanimous. Wow, let me see, let me
see if there's anybody else. Kyler Murray almost snuck into
Tier two. Now. I watched a bizarre number of Arizona games.

(01:18:19):
Joy makes fun of me. I outside of Arizona, I
watched more Cardinal games than anybody in America. I find
him to be I think he throws the nicest, most
catchable football in the entire NFL. I honestly do your
thoughts on Kyler? Okay, yes, I am distracted watching them
because he seems so small. I mean, it distracts me.
But then you watch more and more and you're like,

(01:18:40):
I'm with you. I think he makes great throws. I
think he is accurate with the football. I love the
way he throws the bell down the field. He's got
a great sense. You don't see him taking those car
crash hits like Josh Allen does or even Lamar Jackson
does sometimes, and thank goodness because he's not big enough
to weather him. So I love the first season, and
for him to be that high after one year of
star is really good. Now buy caution here. Mayfield was

(01:19:04):
high too after one year. But I just feel like
there's more two and athletically in talent wise for Kyler Murray.
What a pleasure, Mike Sando the Athletic Go subscribe today.
The survey survey does exclude rookies, but it's Tier one,
Tier two, Tier three, Tier four. They fifty NFL coaches.
What a pleasure. He's a Seattle guy. That's fun too.
They got Jamal Adams, so the Seahawks are rolling. I

(01:19:27):
think I thought they got a little fleeced. But blah
blah blah. Did you like the trade? By the way, quickly,
did you like the trade? I did. I think he's
a potential Hall of Fame player, fits greatly in their defense,
will transform their defense. We'll see the single high safety
defense that Peek Harroll loves to play, and they'll be
a lot better for it. Yeah, he lined up more
linebacker for the Jets and safety. I just found that

(01:19:47):
out yesterday. That's incredible. Yeah, I agree. He's a different
type of football I Bristol. When people say you gave
up such and touch for a safety, Look, he's not
just a safety's he's a football player. You've added something
to your team. Look what team. So he's a six
pick in the draft. He's twenty four years old. Look
what Atlanta gave up to move up from the late
twenties to number six to take Julio Jones. It's Morton

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Seattle gave up and this is a sure thing. So
I like the move for them. I think they wouldn't
have drafted Hall of Fame players in the late twenties.
And is Joe Douglas gonna draft anyone ever during his
tenure that's better than this guy. I don't know. Mike Sando,
the athletic good senior, Bud, Thank you so much. Thank you, folks.
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It was like kind of yellow'sten. I thought it was

(01:21:31):
very casual, is it? Yeah? Try about that? Is it casual?
Kind of too casual for you? No, you have blue
one today? Took Yeah, Okay, I'll tell you something right now,
and I mean this in no way. Look at that
right there. Those are good looking people. Oh wait, I'm
one of them. Well, we're columns, right, Yeah, it's just

(01:21:52):
the hair. The summer is doing us just well. We're
making it through. We're making it more than making it through. Listen,
I know you kept you would say that. I think,
like at the end of every week like we made it.
But it didn't really ever feel like that. I know
there were some days where we were like struggling for topics.
And obviously sports are back now, NBA starting in two days,
and we got lucky. We were we do a lot

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of football, yeah, and we had Tom Brady get traded,
I mean great stories, yes, and we had the draft,
so that gave us about two months. We had about
eight weeks out of that and then we both like
the NBA and dance Yeah, I mean we Oh that
was huge for us. That was huge for us. So
if you're an NBA NFL show and we do a
lot of that, that's probably seventy five or some of

(01:22:35):
our show. It's been fine. And I think the bubble
my fingers are crossed on it. But I think the NBA,
I think it looks good. I got my fingers crossed.
I don't think it's an asterisk. I think if you
win it, it may be attrition. A team gets COVID,
but Charles Barkley is going to join us in fifteen minutes.
We loved that. And best for last NFL The NFL
dot COM's got its top one hundred players. I'm gonna

(01:22:55):
take a bunch of them. Too high, too lower, just right.
But first two majorgue baseball games we're postponed. Last night
there was a COVID outbreak with the Miami Marlins inside
their organization, and last night Commissioner Rob Manfred talked about
the effect it will have moving forward. I don't put

(01:23:16):
this in the nightmare category. We built protocols anticipating that
we would have positive tests at some point during the season.
I remain optimistic that the protocols are strong enough that
it will allow us to continue to play even through
an outbreak like this and complete our season. You know

(01:23:36):
the companies in the country right now. We have four
or five companies in America right now. Actually, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft,
and Google are worth double those four companies, double the
Canadian economy those four companies. If you start looking at Amazon,

(01:23:58):
I'll give you another one. Netflix. Netflix has changed television.
I watched some Netflix last night. If you go look
at the story of Netflix, it's basically a story how
to pivot out of crap everything went wrong. Initially it
was DVDs, it was gonna be blockbuster, and then they
created a quickstar and the investor said no, and that tanked.

(01:24:19):
Netflix was literally pivoting out of problems and read Hastings
a brilliant guy and Jeff Bezos. These are brilliant Americans.
But their whole story is problem solving. Their whole story
is pivoting out of potential disasters. Business is not linear,

(01:24:40):
and commissioners are business leaders. I mean, listen, man basketball.
They all know. Adam Silver's knows. Some of these guys
want sex. They're twenty two. They're gonna sneak out of
the bubble. They've had these conversations. Joey and I have
had these conversations. They're twenty four year old men. They're
professional athletes. They're all amped up, they lift weights, ald,

(01:25:01):
they're good looking, they're rich. They have to have discussions
about they're gonna sneak out and want sex. That's a
real discussion in the leagues have had that. MLS has
had that conversation. These are grown ups. This is how
you talk. But this idea yesterday that Marlin's story comes out.
I thought of good news this morning. All I cared
about was, let's see the Phillies test, because they fail

(01:25:22):
you brid So the Phillies played the Marlins, and a
bunch of Marlins players got it this morning. The Phillies
no positive tests. So to me, it was like, oh,
that's good news. So you can play a team with
fifteen guys with it and you may not have more
than two or three positive tests. That's very If I'm
the commissioner, I'm like, all right, we sideline them for
a while. MLS Nashville Dallas out, I'm gonna stop the season.

(01:25:44):
I just like people who are solution seekers, not problem complainers.
And if you're in business, if you can't pivot, if
you're not prepared, you can't succeed. And I think these
sports will figure out ways to make it worked. Maybe
one won't, but right now, what I see from the
MLS has been great. I'm crossing my fingers on the NBA,

(01:26:07):
and I think baseball will probably struggle more than any sport,
but they'll figure it out too. All right, let me
shift to this. So if I said Bill Belichick to you,
give me his two best qualities. I think the first
thing we'd say prepared. Nobody out prepares New England. I've

(01:26:28):
had buddies that play for the Patriots. They're like, we
do stuff in practice for three years, we never use
it in games. They're the most prepared team. Literally. They
beat the Seahawks in a Super Bowl. Remember the Malcolm
Butler interception. Malcolm Butler says, we practice that play over
and over, and as soon as Russell Wilson planted his foot,
I knew what the play was. I don't think all
thirty two teams coach like that. So the first thing

(01:26:51):
with Belichick I'd say is they're the most prepared team
in the league, not always the most talented. The second
thing with Belichick, I think we'd all admit he's pretty smart.
I mean, Wesleyan mom spoke seven languages. He's a smart guy.
Dad was in a scouting before anybody else was in America.
So prepared and smart. Let me tell you what I

(01:27:12):
think prepared and smart people would do if Tom Brady
left my organization, I'd reboot the franchise and try to
get one of the three great quarterbacks coming out of
the college draft. That seems like really good preparation. I
wouldn't worry about this year. What do you know? Patrick
Chung has opted out of the season. Oh, what do

(01:27:33):
you know? Dante high Tower just opted out of the season.
Multiple players opting out of the season. I don't think
Bill Belichick is announcing it. I've worked at a lot
of companies. You've worked at a lot of companies. Companies
don't have to announce things for it to be understood.
New England's rebooting. The media freaks out because they all

(01:27:55):
say it's tanking. Nobody's tanking the Miami Dolphins last year.
We're building a culture a step back for two steps forward.
Belichick is just taking a step back if Tom Brady
was still there. Do you think everybody opts out? But
New England has sent a message to its troops. Ay,

(01:28:18):
they weren't aggressive in free agency. I mean guys were
moving all over the league, even in their own division.
They weren't aggressive. Number two, they let marginally expensive players go,
not even guys like Jamal Adams contract potentially. And number
three is didn't appear to have a big rush to

(01:28:39):
replace the greatest quarterback of all time. And when they
did acquire Cam it was on a day that really
bad news was going to be released by the NFL
about the Patriots, kind of you know, cheating and stuff.
Belichick wants one of the three great college quarterbacks. My
scouts say all three of the quarterbacks coming out next

(01:29:02):
year are A prospects. Two of them, Trevor Lawrence and
Trey Lance maybe a high A prospects. And if New
England goes five and eleven or six and ten, there's
only about four teams left that need a quarterback. They'll
be there. Indianapolis they'll need one in a year. They're
just gonna be too darn good to get a top
ten pick. Jacksonville is gonna be bad, they'll get a quarterback.

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New England's gonna be average. But this, don't be naive
on this bill is prepared and smart. What would be
the smartest thing to do for the Patriots to prepare
for the next decade reboot the franchise. Let some players
go that are good players, but they're marginally expensive. Let

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them go. Don't be aggressive in free agency. They don't
have to announce it. It's not tanking. Miami didn't last year.
Miami literally took a step back to take two steps forward.
We're gonna let some players go, some good players go.
They wanted to accumulate draft picks. Brian Flores knew I'm
not gonna get fired if I'm one in fifteen. I

(01:30:07):
just got the job here. I'm not gonna get fired.
It was a step back for two steps forward. And
I also think there's a little luck involved. Only the
Golden State Warriors in New England would be rebooting for
the first time in forever in the year of a pandemic,
in you know, a year where you're going to have
all sorts of starts and stops and difficulties. Just so happened.
The Warrior season got canceled in a year where they

(01:30:30):
had a new arena and no good players. They were
all hurt or left. So I think smart and preparation.
I don't think this is just totally random. I think
everybody in the building gets it. Step back, two forward,
get one of the three great quarterbacks. By the way,
Adam Schefter tweeting today with an NFL executive, and the

(01:30:53):
NFL executive said to Adam, Schefter, builds up to something.
Schefter bonded, what, and the executive said, I don't know.
That's why He's Belichick. Just too many occurrences. Just what
a year to be rebooting is three great prospects. I

(01:31:17):
know Roussillo called me out, said I was wrong. Whatever,
I've earned the right to a really bad take, right.
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ten minutes talking to Charles Barkley. He's down in Arizona,
and by the way, he is going to go tomorrow

(01:32:00):
TNT Studio in Atlanta. It will be the first time
these guys have been together in months. It's the best
studio show in the world. Charles Barkley's a Hall of Famer,
eleven time All Star and is the rare athlete that
became a Hall of Fame broadcaster as well, and he
is joining us right now. So, first of all, you're

(01:32:20):
a guy that's good with people. You light a room up,
if you go to a bar, you buy the drinks,
and you've been stuck in your house for five months.
This has been brutal for you, right, brutal. No, we
played golf every day, and we did we did cigars
and tequila. We didn't drink during the week. We did

(01:32:40):
cigars and tequila every weekend, every Friday and Saturday, and
we played golf the rest of the days. So no,
it's been I've been saying all these people who lost
their jobs and things like that, but for me personally,
a lot of golf, a lot of bad golf, but
a lot of tequila and cigars. All right, my stand corrected.
That sounds like a good to me. So it's interesting, Charles,

(01:33:03):
if I was a commissioner, I would always be worried
about an oncoming problem. And I'll just throw this out
to you. The Clippers had four of their best players
missed ten games fifteen twenty twenty five. If the Clippers
win and Kawhi wins, Paul George, Patrick Beverley, Landry Shamant
missed all these games. If I'm Adam Silver, I'm like, WHOA.

(01:33:25):
That basically signifies rest up, you get judged on the playoffs,
don't worry about the regular season. I wonder if Adam
Silver worries about that, Like this Clipper team has taken
the regular season like it's theater. They've taken it off.
Do you think he worries about that? Oh yeah, I
heard you talking about that early in I think low

(01:33:46):
management could be a big problem in the NBA in
the future. First of all, we got a lot of
issues going on right now. Colin Sports will never be
the same again with this pandemic. You know, we got
to worry about the fans because all these fans, they
don't lost their jobs, They're never gonna get their job back.
So I think we got to start kind of being

(01:34:07):
a lot nicer to the fans going forward. By the way,
no fans for games. Would you struggle? You are always
somebody that you are a showman. Would it be harder
for you to play with nobody in the arena? No question,
It's gonna be hard. That's why I think the coaching

(01:34:28):
and the leadership is gonna be really important. You gotta
have a great leader, because you know it's gonna be
weird for these guys too, Colin, because you looked at
this care Some of these guys gonna be playing at
two o'clock or twelve o'clock during the day. So you know,
you these guys all played their games at seven thirty
at night. And now, unless they got a coach who
can get them going or a great leader, it's gonna

(01:34:52):
be some very interesting time the next couple of months.
You know, it's interesting. M Jannis is a great player.
Chris Middleton's a good player, but he's not a special player.
And I've always I've been in my life. I've moved
around for jobs and money. I got no problem with it. Okay,
you moved around. If Yannis goes this year and he's great,

(01:35:13):
but Middleton doesn't deliver, and Yannis is looking at everybody
else play in the finals, would you stay in Milwaukee?
Would you, knowing that it's not a free agent market, Charles,
you can't get most guys are not going to go
to Milwaukee, would you stay there? Well, listen, I'm biased.
I want Yannest to stay in Milwaukee. I think it'd
just be great for the league. It'd be great at

(01:35:35):
a small market team. One we saw what was devastating
when Kevin went to the Warriors and it ruined a
couple of franchises. It made him irrelevant. So I just
hope he stays there. Listen. They got a really good
chance this year. But also listen, he's a young kid.
Why it always makes me laugh when guy's been in

(01:35:56):
the league X amount of It's like, well, if you
don't win this year, he should leave. Listen. They're gonna
be a contender for the next three or four years.
But I don't like super teams. I think it just
ruins the balance of the NBA. Yeah, Now, I mean
talk about when you left. You had you had a
good experience in Phoenix, not as good in Houston. And
Phoenix you were a perfect fit. So take me back

(01:36:17):
and you were in Philadelphia. I remember those were the
years they used to call you the round maun to
rebound and you were exciting and you take it one
end of the floor to the other. Then you go
to Houston. Didn't fit as well, then to Phoenix. Why
did you leave? Was it money, opportunity titles? Why did
you go? Well, the Houston thing was they just Phoenix
just got rid of me. I had nothing to do
with that one, but you know, it was kind of

(01:36:39):
weird to be in a situation with Jannis and compared
to myself, I probably stayed in Philadelphia three years too long,
to be honest with you, because we didn't have good
teams they made. We had the number one pick in
the draft and they gave it away for nothing, which
was stupid because I was all excited to parlay with
Bread at Darty because I thought we would have been

(01:37:01):
perfect together. They gave it away for Jeff Ruin, who
never played, and so they were making bad basketball decisions.
But in fairness to Milwaukee, they're doing a really good job.
They got the best defense in the NBA. The Lopez
brothers been fantastic. They bought in Bled, so they're really
trying now. But a player is wasting his career. I

(01:37:24):
think that's totally different. But the Bucks, they got the
best record in the NBA. Yeah, Okay, I got two questions.
And I'm gonna sound really dumb, but Joy and I
have talked about this when I was twenty seven years old.
You know it. Listen, if I was a pro athlete,
I'm twenty seven and you're telling me for eight weeks

(01:37:45):
I'm gonna be in a bubble. Let's have a grown
up conversation. Sex. I mean, Charles, these are pro athletes.
This is an issue. Somebody's gonna mess this up, right,
some player, Oh, some players gonna get busted in the
probably a month in. Some food is gonna try to

(01:38:07):
sneak somebody in, and you know security is so tight,
you know you really can't sneak anybody end. But somebody's
gonna get busted and they're gonna be embarrassed. And but listen,
I guarantee you the good teams are not gonna do.
It's gonna be somebody on a bad team you got
no chance in winning. I don't think it'll be the Bucks,

(01:38:30):
The Lakers are the Clippers called they're the three favorites.
They can win this thing. But I guarantee you on
a couple of those bottom feeders, they might try to
do something stupid. Yeah, So Lou Williams said he just
went to a Magic City for chicken wings. Did you
buy them? Yeah? Yeah I did. I'm not gonna go
crazy because I don't think they got dancers in there, right, now.

(01:38:54):
But you know he's gonna lose like one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars or some good damn wings out. Hey,
he got to eat the bows and everything. But hey,
I'll tell you what. The first thing I'm gonna do
when I get to Atlanta is going get those wings
because those wings gotta be really damn Yeah. Of course. Um,

(01:39:18):
I don't think the Lakers. Once Avery Bradley checked out,
I thought to myself, listen, it's gonna be Lebron Anthony Davis.
And you know, I don't think Kyle Kuzma is a
star player. He's inconsistent. I don't think the Lakers are
a championship team in this bubble. I don't do you well,
Doe An that time you got Lebron and Anthony Davis.
I mean they only got the Realistically, the Clippers and

(01:39:41):
Bucks are probably the only two team in this conversation.
To me, I've always said this, I love Lebron everything
about him, but he's gonna come down to Anthony Davis.
Because you think about this, Lebron is gonna have his
hands full with Paul George Echo. Why offensively and defensively,
so at his age, that's a lot to ask to

(01:40:03):
handle those two guys. Nobody in the NBA can match
up with Anthony Davis. To me, he's gonna be the
guy who's gonna dictate whether the Lakers win the championship
or not. That's just my personal opinion because, like I say,
Lebron's the older guy. He going to play defense. He
ain't gonna get no knights off. If they played the Clippers,

(01:40:23):
they got a two headed monster that can guard him.
But nobody on the Clippers teams can have the Anthony Davis.
I said this before, and I'll tell you right now.
If the Lakers win the championship, it's gonna be because
of Anthony Davis. Yeah. Are you surprised? Um? I love Zion.
I like I think he has a natural charisma. I

(01:40:45):
don't think you can teach it. You had it, Doctor
Jay had it, Michael had it. There's not a lot
of guy magic had it. A lot of guys are
great players, they don't have it. Are you surprised how
popular he is and how effective he's been. Well? I
think a couple of reasons why. Number One, he seemed
like a great kid. I mean when he's getting some

(01:41:05):
great well, he got David Griffin and Alvin Gentry. He
says the right things, he does the right things, and man,
he got a ton of talent. I've been really impressed.
But how mature he is. You know, he don't make
mistakes with the media. He understands that's part of the job.
Like every time you interview him, he's got a smile

(01:41:25):
on his face. You know. Kind of a lot of
these guys don't realize we're in business with you, guys.
We are in business with you guys, and y'all job.
I mean, clearly, if he don't play great, we have
we have to say bad things about you, but we
really want you to be successful because if you if
everybody's successful, everybody makes a lot of money. But I

(01:41:48):
just love his personality and man, he can really he's
really explosive. I just hope he can stay healthy. That's
the biggest question. Yeah, you know, you know, it's an
interesting time in the NBA. I got an do a
discussion the other day with a friend and I grew
up as an NBA fan, and so did my friend,
and we were talking about the NBA and I said,
I the guys I've ever covered in the league, no

(01:42:12):
bad guys, good guys. I mean there's I don't even
think I can't even think of a guy at the
top of my head. I think baseball and football got
some guys that may not be the greatest guys. I
can't think of it. I mean, there's some quirky guys,
but it's an interest. It's an interesting time for the NBA.
Lebron tends to be more politically active, whereas Patrick Mahomes isn't,

(01:42:32):
whereas Russell Wilson isn't. And we got into a discussion
with a friend. I said, it'll be interesting to see
because the NBA's kind of really embraced a lot of
social things, and in your generation, I don't remember that
many players being as politically or socially active. Am I
wrong or were you? Guys? No, I think this is

(01:42:55):
a different time. Obviously, with the Internet and things like that,
a lot of things have changed. But I will tell
you this, Colin, I'm these guys got to be very,
very careful not to piss the fans off. You have
to think about something. All these people aren't lost their jobs.
They're not gonna get their jobs back. You know, they

(01:43:15):
got to worry about what's gonna have with their kids.
So these parents out here and these fans, they're on
a tremendous amount of stress. I mean, we don't have
zero idea when this pandemic is going to end. And
if I'm really concerned and we just keep beating them
across the head with all the social justice stuff, there's

(01:43:36):
a chance they could turn us off. And that does
concern me a little bit. I think we got to
be very selective and pick and choose, because I can say, man,
the public is hurting right now. If you don't have
simply for these people who don't lost their jobs and
don't have any money, you need to open your eyes

(01:43:57):
as a player who's making millions of dollars. And I
think it's a it's gonna be a very slippery slope
of these players going forward. Yeah, so you're gonna play
golf today. I am not going to play golf today.
I'm gonna take the day off. I gotta get ready. Uh,
you know, Thursday's gonna come here really really quickly. So

(01:44:21):
I'm gonna hit some balls, though, I promise you that
I'm gonna play today, but I'm gonna hit some balls.
You look good, Charles you're aging very very well. You
really are well. Listen they you know what they said,
call them black, don't crack. I just got Hey. The
only thing I gotta do is not get too fat.
If I don't get too fat, I'm gonna be good.

(01:44:44):
I love having you on the show, Charles. Tell everybody hi,
thank you, TNT Thursday night. All right, there's a night
Zion William and the Lakers and the Clippers a game too.
You know you don't have to come on the show.
You always do. You're very kind to us. It's very nice, Hey, Colin,
I don't blow smoke. You know. I've been a big
fan of yours for a long time. And anytime you

(01:45:04):
need me, brother, just reach out. All right, Joy, let's
say bye to Charles, very very bye, Charles by Charles. Hey, Colin,
I spread the whole show looking at your face. Now
that's the face I want to see. I'm on the
showy next time I'm on to show. I want to
do I want all three of them. I don't want
to look at your face the whole time, Colin. Look

(01:45:25):
at she got a haircut to the Joy got a
haircut to day. It looks really good, don't you think, well,
I think you should be looking at her face, not
a hair coll just put a record, all right, see it?
Chank you guys. Thanks for having me, all right, Thanks
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with the news. No, no turn on the news. This
is the herd Line News. So Jamal Adams was very
open about his unhappiness with the Jets organization before he
was traded. Yes, he was not subtle. Yes, he said.
One big issue was the team didn't follow through with

(01:46:08):
the contract proposal when they told him that he was
going to be paid. But GM Joe Douglas firmly denies
that there were any broken promises between the Jets and
Jamal Adams. I didn't want to make it clear that
never promised an offer to Jamal organization was ever dishonest
or indiguous to any communications with their camp. It really
was our plan and they keep Jamaal here. But when

(01:46:29):
our conversation started with John Seattle, several weeks ago, the
focus became clear that this is a great opportunity for
us and the franchise moving forward. Wow, so the Seattle
stuff was several weeks ago. I didn't know that. That's interesting.
That's interesting. It's also I mean, I wonder who, because
I have a hard time believing that Jamal Adams just
lying about the organization promising him something. I mean, there

(01:46:52):
are several levels to an organization, so maybe specifically Joe
Douglas didn't promise him or tell him that they were
working towards. If you're the GM and Jamal Adam says
what he says about your coach, I wonder if you feel,
as a GM you have to protect your coach like
you think yourself, Okay, this is it's it's July. We're
in camp in nine days. Do I have to protect

(01:47:13):
Adam Gays and move this player? I wonder if I
was a GM, would I think that. I mean, I
felt like this was over for a long time. Yeah,
I mean when when he first started complaining, it was
kind of over. I just I have a hard time
wrapping my arms around the Jets in general. Yeah, everybody does.
I want to believe that they're taking steps in the

(01:47:36):
right direction. I like Sam Darnold. I liked the Levion
Bell move, even though I thought he should have stayed
with the Steelers. Obviously, Jamal Adams is an incredible player.
I just don't think that you are. It's hard for
me to look at you as a functioning organization. If
the best player in your team doesn't want to be there,
there is a problem there. Like respected coaches that have

(01:47:58):
control over the organization and a strong culture that doesn't
generally happen. Of course, you have outliers and things that
happened here and there. Obviously Kawhi left the Spurs, which
is a great organization, so you have outliers, but in general,
you need good players to be a winning organization. So
like that's Jimes is one of the best in the league,

(01:48:18):
not the best in the league in his position. You
would think you would want him there and just trying
to make him happy. Now maybe it's just it was
a situation where he just wasn't going to be happy.
But again, the Jets, to me are they're just the Jets.
They continue to do the same thing. You know, there's
seven eight teams in the league, no chance of a
super Bowl. They're clearly now in that group. Yeah, clearly,
absolutely so. Bill Belichick has been pretty quiet since the

(01:48:40):
Patriots signed Cam Newton, but in some of his first
comments about his new quarterback, he made an interesting comparison
to a professional lacrosse star. Cam Newton looks like Miles
Jones to make beast fast. He's big, he'd be a
tough guy to match up against. If he could run
by him. He could run through the stick checks with
the stick where he tough overhand shot. So and I

(01:49:02):
think those tall, long guys really have a big advantage
and being able to change the angle their shots and
still be able to run through some guys. Belichick, by
the way, is a huge lacrosse guy. It's huge in Connecticut. Yes, so,
my stepson's a college lacrosse player. And this kid that
he's talking about is is a abnormally six five. He's
an abnormally large lacrosse was the number one overall pick

(01:49:27):
sixteen and Russell Wilson. Cam was a power runner. Cam
ran over a guy. Yes, So, I mean I do
think Cam and big Ben. I do think their size
and their ability. And I remember talking to Eric Allen,
the former NFL TB about Big Ben. He said, Big
Ben was the first guy that pump faked and held
the ball like a grape fruit. He goes, I could
always when a guy faked, I could always tell he

(01:49:48):
wasn't going to throw it. Ben would do this and
hold the ball like a nerf ball. And he goes,
I've been on that thing. He goes, it's just in.
It's an incredible way to play it. So I do
think Cam size was a dimension that was totally I mean,
Russell's small, Lamar's not as thick, Steve Young wasn't huge. Well,
I mean we are, I mean him being very tall

(01:50:10):
as well as an advantage. We're very skeptical of this
kind of new wave of quarterbacks who are on the
shorter side because traditionally Cam Newton or Big Ben is
what you're looking for. You looking for a tall, strong quarterback.
The game's changed a lot now to give you more
mobile you don't necessarily have to be six five. But
the question with Cam is, of course his health. He's
weighs a lot less now, so will he be similar

(01:50:31):
to Gronk Like Bronk was one of those guys obviously
different position, but who would just run people over. It
wasn't necessarily the fastest. Even though he was fast, it
was his power that would just dragging three or four
guys down the field. So we'll Cam have that or
we'll cam be changing how he runs and avoiding those
hits as well, which is the biggest question with Cam.
So finally, Kyrie Irving is committed to helping the w

(01:50:53):
NBA players who have decided to opt out this season.
He's pledged one point five million to support the income
of players who choose not to play in twenty twenty.
The donation will be a part of the High Empowerment
Initiative which he created that will also provide WMA players
with a comprehensive financial literacy program. Most notably, Elena Delladon

(01:51:15):
was denied a medical opt out requests. She has lime
disease and it was a controversial situation there Maya Moore
and Alyson January that she would opt out to focus
on criminal justice reform. There's several other players opting out
as well, but he obviously took some initiative to put
this together for some of the players who have decided
to opt out of this season, which we're seeing in
lots of different leagues. I was surprised the league did

(01:51:38):
not allow a player with lime disease to opt out.
If you look at the history, this is so random.
I was reading about ALS about a month ago because
I have known somebody. You know, it's just an incredibly
daunting disease. A lot of people think lime disease is

(01:51:59):
part of the creation of ALS, like, and it was like, so,
I remember when I when I was in Connecticut. No
nobody out west do you think of lime disease? Well,
there's lime Connecticut. So when I was in Connecticut there
were ticks. I'd never even heard of it. And so
my daughter going to tick one time I saw it.
I had and I'm not joking when I say this.
I had to pop it out of it. No, no,
it's it's a memorable moment. And so I was shocked

(01:52:21):
at that story. To me, lime disease is serious. Yeah,
it age to a lot, potentially a lot of medical problems.
It is especially if a player is shouldn't necessarily have
to fight for that, like if they're not comfortable coming
back for any reason, but especially if you have a
predistincondition like lime disease, that should be taken care of.
But I did watch a little w NBA this this weekend. Yea,

(01:52:43):
what was the hoodie thing they were doing all over
the week So a lot of the NBA players were
wearing w NBA hoodies to promote because their actual games
started this weekend Saturday, so they don't have their their
past their scrimmage scrimmage point of the games. The league
started on Saturday, so a lot of the guys were
wearing w NBA hoodiece to support. Where to go? Kyrie
Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news, and

(01:53:07):
thanks for stopping by. The Herdline News. NFL one hundred.
Nfl dot com has the NFL one hundred. The players
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And we're gonna give you a list of players and
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(01:53:30):
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(01:53:51):
hundred players. Thank god they don't run teams, they rarely
get it right, and joy in our best for last.
You give me the current rankings. I'll go too high,
too low, or just about right. All right, let's start
with Ryan Sannehill number sixty eight. Give me a break,
it's way too high. Okay, He's not a top one

(01:54:13):
hundred player in the NFL. He hasn't started in all
sixteen games in four years. The team took the ball
out of his hands in the playoffs. In fact, he's
only one of two quarterbacks in the entire Super Bowl
era that's thrown to win consecutive playoff games with one
plus TV and fewer than one hundred passing yards. He's

(01:54:35):
not a top one hundred player. Jarvis Landry is at
sixty one. Slander way too low. I think he's probably
the most underrated football player in the NFL. Jarvis Landry
is a volume machine and only player to reach these
numbers in each of the last six years eighty catches,
seven hundred and fifty yards and four receiving touchdowns. Every

(01:54:57):
year of his career, He's got almost six hundred career catches.
He is a great, dependable, reliable, efficient volume receiver. I
think he's maybe the most underrated player in the league.
Beckon Jr. Is at number fifty nine. Well, right now,
I'd say that's overrated. First of all, he and Baker
Mayfield didn't work. He and Baker Mayfield on pass attempts

(01:55:20):
had the lowest completion percentage and lowest passer rating the league.
And he was banged up. So right now, if you're
telling me I gotta choose one or the other, I'm
into efficiency. I'm into what. I know what I'm getting.
I Am going to get eight catches a game and
sixty yards and a touchdown potentially from Jarvis Landry. Right now,
Odell Beckham is not today the fifty nine best player
in the NFL. How about Kirk Cousins at number fifty eight? Oh,

(01:55:42):
give me a break, way too high. I can like
a guy he's over nine. On Monday Night. Football quarterback
in this league is not about stats. It's about WUS
do you win do you beat good team? So we
know Minnesota's got a good defense, we know they have
a good coach, we know they have a good front office,
we know they have a good roster against playoff teams.
In his career, he's five and twenty four, so come on,

(01:56:04):
you got it. The bottom line is he is surrounded.
He has Stefan Biggs, Adam Feeling, two good tight ends,
Darwin Delvin Cook. You gotta win games against of course
you can beat Detroit. You gotta beat good teams with
that roster and that coach. Devant Adams number fifty seven
a little too low, not quite as consistent as Jarvis Landry,

(01:56:26):
but a much bigger player receiver, So I'd probably have
him in the top forty five players in the league.
You know, since he broke into the league in twenty sixteen,
he's got forty touchdown catches. That's the most in the NFL.
So he's a star. Now. It helps that he has
Aaron Rodgers. In fairness, Aaron's had a lot of receivers,
they're not this good. So he's a top forty thirty five,

(01:56:47):
top forty player in the NFL, no question. All right,
I'm letna see how you go with this one. Todd
Gurley number fifty one. Oh, he's not a top one
hundred player today. Each of the last three years his
touches and yards have gone down. So let again, this
is not three years ago. Three years ago, he's probably
top fifteen right but right now he didn't have a

(01:57:07):
hundred yard rushing game last year. He's not the same player.
It's it's the reality of the running back and he's
aged poorly. Amari Cooper at forty nine, that's too high.
Amari Cooper is a good player. He's done. I would
say again, Amari would to me be in the ninety
to one hundred. He's not a game breaker. He runs

(01:57:28):
good routes, he shrinks occasionally against better corners. That's a
little bit too high. Dak Prescott forty six, that's too high. Again.
Last year, Dak struggled one in six against playoff teams
eight and eight quarterback in a bad division with two
tanking teams and a Philadelphia team that fell apart. Really,
last year Dallas should won a division. They had more
good players that were healthy, and he didn't have a

(01:57:50):
game winning drive last year. So and again it was
down the Redskins were a mess. Washington was a mess.
New York was a mess. In Philadelphia frankly physically was
a mess for much of the year. Yeah, JJ at
forty five, people think I hate JJ Watt. This is
way too hot in the NFL, and I like him,
but good god, folks. A lot of it's just he's
a star. But in the last four years he has

(01:58:12):
twenty one sacks. That's fiftieth. That's fiftieth in the NFL.
I like him, He's hurt a lot. He's again, he
plays really hard, He's very dynamic. I'd love to have
him on my roster, but he's been on the IR
three of the last four years. Now. Again, he is
this handsome, he's almost seriously, he reminds me of the

(01:58:33):
Rock like he honestly, he's bigger than the room. Like
the Rock walks into a room and you're like, whoa
the Rocks here, JJ walk walks into a room. He
sucks the oxygen out of it. He's this good looking, dynamic,
just a he's a star, though I think he may
play guy, but he's now out of the peak years,

(01:58:54):
so I'd probably put him in my top one hundred.
But he gets banged up a lot, and he hasn't
been as productible consistent Simmy Garoppolo forty three. I think
it's just right. I think he's twenty one and five
as a starter. Well, Kyle Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan was not
winning any games with all those defensive lineman except Bosa.
I think he's really good. I think he's got um.

(01:59:15):
I don't think he has a style that leads him
to being wildly popular, and I do think his decision
making can be a little hit and miss. But I
think he's really good. I think he's I think when
you grow up that good looking, you're confident. I think
he's confident. He's a gamer. He outplayed Mahomes again for
three quarters of the Super Bowl. The story was Mahomes

(01:59:36):
isn't playing well. It can't just be about how you
finished in the final game of a year against Patrick
Mahomes and Andy Reid. I thought he had a great year.
I thought he had a good Super Bowl until the
fourth quarter to daveing Clowney forty one. Oh good, hell,
come on, he'sn't even playing right now. That's way too high.
You know. It's funny about Jadeveon. He's a highlight guy, right.

(01:59:57):
There's it's it's very NBA. There are guys in the
NBA that you you watch highlights and you're like, oh
my god, and then you watch their game and you're like,
you know, there's a I always say Alex English gave
you twenty five a night. Never made the highlights. Pikey
Vandaway never a highlight clown. He's all highlights. But if
you look at it, he's missed twenty one games to
injury in his career. He had three sacks and thirteen

(02:00:19):
games last year. And he's currently a free agent, so
he's on the market and there's not a lot of takers.
So there, I did think I will say this. He
had may have been the Philadelphia game. He had one
really big game. He's an explosion player, like he'll make
a play, like he'll once or twice a game, he
will blow stuff up. I mean he's a very disceptive player. Yes,

(02:00:39):
but again like J. J. Watt, if you want to
be a top hundred player, you know they got him
readed at forty one, forty top forty guys in the NFL,
like Davante Adams is good every game like me to
be more consistent and more available and not Yes, yeah,
I mean so to be a top forty player. That's
Aaron Donald, That's Russell Wilson, that's Mahomes, that's Travis Kelsey.
You know, I mean you can look around the league.

(02:01:01):
That is uh Ronnie Stanley, the left tackle for Baltimore.
You know that's guys every week that are just money.
You just put it down. Great player, all right, that's it.
Todd Gurley. The players put him fifty one. That's a
lot of respect. That's one of those the resumes. Good
players respect him. I'm interested to see how he does

(02:01:23):
this year. Yeah he's not shot. He can play. Yeah,
he's a good pass receiver. He's not shot. But but
you could tell last year in LA it was it
was just uncomfortable for everybody. They paid him a lot.
He was just very weird. Has he hurts, not hurt?
Everybody was protecting him. And listen, once they paid him
and he's not there, everybody's a little tense. It's a
tight salary cap league. So good stuff. We had. Ryan

(02:01:46):
Rossillo called me out. Charles Barkley was great once more
of joy on the show, Mike Sando from Seattle, Cliff
Avril stop by as well. We were loaded today. It
was a good show. Very tell your friends we'll see
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