The Herd Full Show for Feb 10, 2020

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Where Colin was right, Where Colin was wrong. It is
our longest Colin right, Colin Wrong segments so far of
the year. It is great to have you back. I
feel great. I went skiing this weekend. My voice is

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still a little raspy. I don't know what's going on
in my life. I feel like, you know, I should
maybe go into acting with the Oscars. Last night, I
feel like, what's going on here? I feel a raspy.
My voice is also. I think it's mountains to Miami,
back to mountain. I think for different reasons, yes, But
I'm glad you had a great time and you die.

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The Oscars were great last night. Yes By the way,
my favorite line ever, Jeff Bezos is so rich. He
got divorced and he's still the richest man in the world.
That's how Richie is. Chris Rock as usual was hysterical. So, folks,
when I do this show for a living, I could
just talk about what happened yesterday. It'd be a very
safe show, be a very easy show. Here's what happened yesterday.

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Let me give you some context. And I do that,
But I also think it's my responsibility to throw out
some theories what I think could happen, and I think
those make the show more interesting, and I take it
on as a responsibility. This is what I do all day.
I talk and think about sports. You have jobs. This
whole Dallas Cowboy Tom Brady thing. I don't necessarily think

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it's going to happen, but do not blow it off.
Don't blow it off. Let me give you a rule
in life. I know as a fifty year old guy,
when smart, talented, rich, successful people feel disrespected, they all
do one thing. They will prove a point. Tom Brady

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has an opportunity. This is the perfect moment to leave
New England. Because they got no backup plan. They got nobody,
and Buffalo is better and Miami seems to have an
identity and now Adam Gayson Darnold look pretty good. At
the end of the year. Tom doesn't even need to
be petty. He doesn't need to be petty. He can

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just say, you don't think I'm Kirk Cousins. You don't
want to pay me Kirk Cousins money. You don't want
to pay me Jimmy Garoppolo money. Successful people who feel disrespected.
And we all watch Tom versus time. What was your
TAKEO on that he wants to be respected? Just think
about this. He's the number one brand, and the Cowboys
of the number one brand. Jerry's a visionary with marketing.

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It would be a Rod of the Yankees times five,
Lebron to the Lakers times four. It's the perfect time.
They have no succession plan. New England would become uninteresting tomorrow.
You also have Dante Scarneckiet retiring. The Patriots don't like
to spend money on wide receivers. It's the one thing
he's demanding. And what are the Cowboys have? O line
running back wide receivers? And he wouldn't this is the

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one organization. If Tom goes to the Chargers kind of
feels like a step down. Tom goes to the Dolphins,
they're rebuilding. Tom goes to the Patriots. You talk about
a metaphorical blank. You they are the biggest brand, the
richest brand, with the best O line, the first or

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second best running back, and the weapons. New England. They're
not gonna go out and spend big money on wide
receivers and the other thing. It wouldn't just be New
England would in Belichick would win games, but they'd just
be a team. They'd be fine. They be Tennessee before
this playoff run nine and seven. They'd be fine, But
they wouldn't be special, especially when you're surrounded by Mahomes

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and Lamar Jackson and Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers and
Carson Wentz and all these you know, all these big
Ben's coming back. They wouldn't be talked about. I was
thinking about this this morning. If Brady just from a
business perspective, we know he'd go to a team with
more offensive talent. That's not arguable. But Tom's a businessman.

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If Tom Brady tomorrow morning goes to Dallas, the Patriots
are on page four of the NFL newspaper. Just think
of the stories. First of all, Brady Dallas would be
the number one story. Kansas City Are they going to repeat?
Is probably the second biggest story. Oakland moving to Vegas?
Right the Raiders going to Vegas. You've got the Lamar

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Jackson ooh, next stage, Big Ben to Pittsburgh, Cam to Carolina,
Baker Mayfield on his fourth head coach, Joe Burrow and
Cincinnati two in Miami. From a business perspective, they fall
off the first and second page of the NFL story.
And I'll go back to this t J. Hushman Zada.

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I'll get to that in a second. But talented people
who feel disrespected in my life always want to prove
a point. Now, maybe Tom has the emotional discipline, he's
more mature. But when I watched that documentary, it was
all about can you show me a little respect? Can
you give me a tad? And I don't. I don't.

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I'm not saying it's gonna happen. But when I was
in Miami and I was talking to a lot of people,
going to a lot of dinners, Joy and I went
out in the town, you know, there's a lot of
NFL people there. It's an NFL city. For a week,
there were a lot of people, not occasional people saying
Brady's unhappy and he knows there's no quick fix. And

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now Dante Scarnecki is retired. Here's TJ. He Hushpunzata Friday
on this show. Next year, we're really going to find
out because Brady won't be there, So we'll find out.
But he won't be there. No zero percent chance, zero
percent chance, zero percent. Where does he go? I don't know.
There's too many to decipher and choose from. He said

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zero percent chance zero I would go. I would go
one percent. I would zero percent door closed, door closed.
Now I don't feel that strongly, but Michael Urban talked
about it this week, and t J. Hush Benzata. These
are former NFL guys that work out with other players
and talk to other players and talk to agents and
talk to executives. I mean, put Tom in that cowboy uniform.

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We get shocked all the time in sports. This looks
like it would work. Durant to Golden State shocked us,
The A B Circus shocked us, Peyton Manning the Denver
shocked US Boston bailing on Mookie Betts, the first or
second best player going to the Dodgers, isn't that kind
of a shocking baseball I read all the articles. It
was shocking. All I'm saying is something doesn't have to happen.

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But I would not say ten percent chance is out
of the realm of possibility. I think he'll be a Patriot.
I really do. Don't kid yourself on this. He would
be able to. It is the only place Tom Brady
can go, the only place he'd have a richer owner,

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a better offense, and all his issues today respect old
line receivers would all be solved by signing a contract,
all of them. Chargers would feel like a step down.
Colts is a weird fit. Miami's rebuilding raiders off brand cowboys.
Ask yourself, what would your reaction be today? You not me?

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You If I by in the middle of today's show
Tom Brady is a cowboy, you would be like, yeah,
it kind of makes sense. Everything he wants. They have
brand o line backs, receivers, money, everything they have and
if Dak's asking for thirty eight million, and I like that,

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and I do think they'll resign that. But don't tell
me it couldn't happen. Don't tell me it couldn't happen.
It absolutely could. All right, let's switch to this fifty
minutes from now. Colin right, Colin wrong. So Chris Haynes
is a guy I trust. Chris Haynes been covering the
NBA for a long time, and he was told by
a source that Lebron James is the happiest he has

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ever been with an ownership group, in a front office.
And that runs sort of counterintuitive to what we the
perception of the Lakers the last couple of years, which
has been Magic's there, Magic's gone. Now an agent runs us.
But it's very interesting with Lebron, and this is a
very unique stage for Lebron. And I believe Chris Haynes
and I trust him, and I think I know the

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reason why. So let's talk about the four stages of Lebron.
There is the Lebron gets drafted out of high school
to the Cleveland Cavaliers, so he is the phenom in
the league. It's a horrible operation. They were an unwatchable mess.
They'd gone half a decade without the playoffs. They were
seventeen and sixty five Lebron had total utter leverage. Remember

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those days. It's kind of fun to watch those old days.
Stage two, Lebron goes to Miami. Well it's pat Riley. No, no, no, no, no.
D Wade was aging. They were a playoff team but
a mile from being a contender, and pat Riley wanted
global relevance and domestic relevance, and Lebron gave them that.

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That was lebron team. That was not d Wade's team,
and it was not pat Riley's team. He had leverage.
Let's go back to Cleveland second time. Kyrie Irving remember this,
a lot of people thought he's kind of a bust.
Dan Gilbert had flown to Miami and begged Lebron to
come back. Lebron was in his prime, but at the very,

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very very tail end of his prime. He had ultimate leverage.
And now let segue to the Lakers for the first time.
Lebron's not in his prime for the first time in
his career. Lebron's career is on the clock. Lebron makes
a risky move to a bad roster and a team
that can't get its front office straight. Where the Jerry

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Buss and Genie Buss takes over and Jim Buss and
Genie don't get along, and who's the GM and it's magic.
Then it's not. This is not about Lebron being happier,
although I'm sure he is. It's about Lebron for the
first time, needing a team as much as the team
needs Lebron. And that's when relationships work. You never want

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to be in an uneven relationship. It doesn't matter if
it's a marriage or a business. A great marriage. You
need her and she needs you. And this is the
first time Lebron is on the clock. He's out of
his prime. He's had a big injury. This is a
big risky move, and the roster wasn't great and he
has to get along and he has to make sure

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it works. I don't think Lebron's necessarily just happier. I
think he's vulnerable, and vulnerable people often make great partners.
I think this is the easiest Lebron has ever been
to work with. It's a new Lebron. He's like a
pitcher off shoulder surgery. Don't quite have the heater I

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used to. I'm gonna have to work the corners a
little bit. Oral Hirsheiser end of his career. That's what
Lebron is now. He was always a good teammate. Now
he's a great teammate and he understands first time, I
need them as much as they need me. Coming up next,
the trading deadline is over, and there is a myth
about the trading deadline of what it is and what

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it really is. And I thought this one was unbelievably
important for two moves that aren't getting a lot of play,
and I think they largely defined the rest of the
NBA season. That Colin right, Colin wrong. Doug Gottlieb coming up.
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ten to fifteen minutes talk about all the stuff, including
the XFL this weekend. I'll get to that. We have

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a lot to talk about in the show today. Generally
with the trading deadline, we all kind of hope for
the big move, But in the history of the trading deadline,
it's mostly been frankly about fine tuning good teams at
a piece at a piece, get better defensively, get long,
find another wing defender. This weekend, the Clippers added Marcus Morris.

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It's actually a very big move because it now gives
the Clippers. This is why the Lakers wanted to go
after Marcus Morris, because they wanted to keep them away
from the Clippers. The Clippers now have four different players.
They could send it Lebron. They can put Kawhi on
him at times, they can put Paul George on him
at times. They can throw Patrick Beverley on Lebron at times,

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and now they can put Marcus Morris on Lebron. Now
there is no Lebron stopper. There was never a Kobe stopper.
But the Warriors showed you how to at least exhaust
Lebron over the course of a series. They would throw
a little Iggy at him, and a little k d
Adam and a little Clay Adam, and after a while
you get into a third, a fourth, a fifth, a

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sixth game in a series that's even with Lebron and
his prime, that's your best bet. Well, Lebron's no longer
in his prime. He can't give you forty four minutes
a night. I thought this was a huge move. Although
it feels small, this is exactly what the trading deadline is.
The Clippers went from my favorite team in the league

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to win it to now absolutely absolutely a clear favorite
in the West. In the East, Milwaukee went out and
got Marvin Williams. Again, it's not a splashy higher, but
what Milwaukee needs is another guy to drop a three.
We know Jannis is great Middleton's he's at two to

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a three. So they add Marvin Williams, who's a three
in d guy. And now Milwaukee, who I thought was
the best team in the East, adds just a little
little bit more another shooter. They are absolutely the favorite
and should be to win the East. And the Clippers,
I thought were the deepest, best team in the West,

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add just one more guy to throw at Lebron. And
this morning, I haven't looked of the betting markets. I
absolutely feel that my two favorites to get to the
finals feel lock not mortal locks. Barring an injury, there's
no reason why the Clippers and the Bucks don't meet
in the finals. They absolutely this morning added depth to

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already the deepest teams. Both well coached, both have a superstar,
both play real defense, both filled with young and veteran players.
Here's joy with the news. This is the herd line news. Well,
speaking of that, the Lakers didn't make any big moves

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before the trade, did Line, but they're still trying to
improve their roster. They were looking to add Darren Collison,
but he is going to stay in retirements. Instead, Lakers
could have used Aarren Coulson. Yeah, so he's not an option.
He's gonna stay retired. So now the Lakers will reportedly
have exploratory talks the Dion Waiters, who was recently just
bought out by Memphis. He's represented by Clutch Sports and

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he used to be represented by Rob Pelinka, so there's
already some pretty strong relationships and ties there now. I
like Dion Waiters, I don't know exactly what happens in Miami.
Obviously only played three games for them this year. When
he was playing in those games, he shot forty seven
percent from three. No, Deon Waiters is the type of
player that can come in and take over a game
at any moment. He's really kind of a wild card.

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He's athletic and he's offense, and that the Lakers, I
mean joy after Lebron and Anthony Davis. Right now, their
third leading scorer is Kyle Kuzma, who was on a
trade block a week ago. So like Dion Waiters in
a seven game series, could you say, yeah, Dion Waiters
just took over Game four for a half. Yeah, that's
what he does. Absolutely, and that's that's that's the value

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of adding Deon Waiters. As far as what's gonna go
on with the chemistry and if he's gonna have any issues,
I don't really think that. I again, I do not
know what happened in Miami, but there was obviously some
issues there, and overall, Miami's a very well run organization
with a very strong ownership in front office and coaching.
So I don't I don't know how that's going to
play in LA but I do think that now that
he is on the market, it could be a situation

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where they bring him in and like I said, they
have the relationships there so they know him. Yeah, you're
and you're not asking him to be a seven year player.
You're saying, dude, come in, be a role player for
three months and could have huge value in the playoffs,
which is what they need now. They kind of need
someone to defend Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. That doesn't
help that situation, but again, just a playmaker. So the
Timberwolves ship Andrew Wiggins to the Warriors for D'Angelo Russell

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before the trade deadline, and Wiggins is happy to finally
be in a place that focuses on a winning culture.
We lost a lot, you know, in Minnesota, so coming
here being part of a winning team, winning culture, it's different.
You know. Losing is never fun, you know, and just
being here and you can tell by everyone's attitude, everyone's approach,

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you know, everything is everywhere. You know that you know
they're winners, you know, and that's something I want to be.
I wanted to be my whole career and I'm here.
So happy. Man is the Saturday in the one twenty
five one twenty loss of the Lakers at twenty four points,
two rebounds, three assists, five steals, eight to twelve shooting
super super athletic, you know, is it It's very possible.

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I never thought Wiggins. I thought I thought he was
going to be a really good enough player. He's not
a dynamic I'm going to take a franchise over personality.
He can be a little, not timid, but a little.
He's not confrontational. So now, just dude, go be at
three and give us twenty one a night instead of
save the franchise. This could end up being a perfect

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fit for him. Well, I think it's a fit just
because he's he is a winner. And Minnesota was always
one of those situations where it's like why can't they
I mean, we would talk about it all the time,
like why can't they just get it together? They had,
they have young talent. What's the issue here? Kevin Garnett
was swimming in mediocrity for years. There Kevin Garnett, who's

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a forcible personality. So Kevin Garnett, who walks into a
room and has things to say and I mean really
is in the class. In the last ten years, Kevin
Garnett was one of the big, forceful personalities. He couldn't
change Minnesota, right. So Wiggins, who's kind of a quiet
kind of a second type of personality. He's a little

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bit of a second tier quiet guy. You can't ask
him to walk in and save that franchise, no, which
he was asked to do, right, He's not asked to
do that in Golden State. And I understand what he's
talking about too. Obviously Golden State is not good this year.
We know what the situation is there, Like they are
just a year off for Golden State. There are going
to be back next year when everyone is healthy again.
But the culture still remains. I mean again, we were

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just talking about the Heat just because the Heat had
to recover from losing Lebron James and then Chris Bosh
and then eventually Dwayne Wade. Like that's a lot to
come back from. You have to have the culture in
place that it's like, Okay, you have a couple of years,
you have equity with the fans, nobody's asking me to
panic and make big moves. He can fit right into
a good culture and you know, be around a winning organization. Finally,

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Patrick Mahomes got to learn, for see him what it
takes to be a professional athlete from his father, Yeah,
who was a former MLB pitcher and taught his son
never to dwell on what's already happened, always focus on
the next play, and the home said he used that
mentality in the Chiefs big Super Bowl comeback. He said,
all that matters is the next play. I think it's
just a competitiveness and the way I've been raised my
whole entire life. But I've always just been taught that

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you have to just play the next play. You have
to go out there and compete, no matter what happened
earlier in the game, no matter what's happened the whole season,
all that matters is the next play. Short memory is
very valuable in sports, it is. And he was also
talking about during the game, people kept coming up to
him and saying, like, we have more time left, we
have more time left, and eventually, like he just got
annoyed that he kept hearing it, like, I know, I'm

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aware that we have more time left. This is the
mentality that I think wins these big games. And I mean,
they've gone through that so much about the playoffs. That's
why I never felt like they were out of it.
Even in the Super Bowl. It was just no panic.
You know. It's interesting the media's job Joy is to
add perspective to stories and context. That's the opposite of
what athletes need to do. Derek Jeter. I remember one

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time he was interviewed in New York and he got
into a rare slump. He was like over twenty five
or something, and you know, everybody was. They came out
and they were asking him about it. He goes, what
your job is the opposite of mine. Your job is
to try to figure it out. My job tomorrow is
to go out and hit the ball hard four times
and one will drop in. Our job is to analyze.

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Analyzation is paralyzation in sports, You sit on and go
to a sideline and try to figure out your mistakes. Man,
you just got to go out and play well. I mean,
shooters shoot right, shooters shoot to get You have to
continue doing the thing that's going to eventually lead and
being successful and not think about it or get afraid
or get away from it just because it's not working
in that moment. And that's what I love about Patrick

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mahomes mentality in his demeanor is that no matter even
though he is an emotional guy and he's a high
energy guy and has a big personality, you never feel
like he is panicking. He rides the wave of the game,
the emotions of the game at the same level, much
like Dak does. And you don't win a big game
like that. That's that's crucial. Joy with the news. Well,

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that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. The third
line new the Dougger Doug gottlie Fox Sports Radio after
my show brought to you by Mercedes The Best or
Nothing on a Monday, Doug gottlieb was actually a fun weekend.
I want to, I want to. I want to start
with the Andrew Wiggins thing because I am a believer
that environment matters for all of us. It matters m

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happier employees, a better employee. I think Wiggins is going
to work in Golden State simply because of that. Forget
everything else, do you, yes, yes, But I don't think
it's just environment. Okay, Remember he had a he had
a reputation that preceded him when he grew up in Canada,
played at Kansas as being a guy who he just played,

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not an alpha, right, not a not a killer right. Uh.
And then that kind of got re established and then
remember now they add Carl Towns um they had Jimmy Butler,
that didn't work right. He's been through multiple head coaches,
different front offices during his during his tenure, which is
not a long tenure in Minnesota. I think it has
to do with environment. Fit is a big thing, right,

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and Steve Kerr talked about that going back to Friday,
is that we think he fits here and expectations. And
remember he signed this massive contract to remain in Minnesota
and there were no wins to show for it, so
it feels like empty stats. It's really hard to tell
what your stats are in correlation out the effect that
you have on the game. There are plenty of players

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that put up big numbers in the NBA and games
that don't matter, and then you put him in a
real NBA game and they can't function. I think the
expectations you mentioned Thursday, you're like, look Canadian Harrison Barnes.
I think that's reasonable. I think he should be a
better version of that. I think he's more athletic. Well, yeah,
there's a lot. I mean, he's a different player, but
it's the idea of they don't need an alpha, they
don't need a beta. I mean, like, look, the leadership

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and toughness has already. The toughness is Draymond. The go
to guy is Steph the defender, the defender and defensive
leader as well as best shotmaker shooter you know in
the league is Clay Thompson. Like he can just play
when not carry the burden of being a franchise player,
and that fits who he is. Well. I think you two,

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we're both parents, and you feel something that's fascinating about
parenting is that kids' personalities are established really early. Yes,
like four years old. You're like, he's stubborn, she's sweet,
she's bossy, he's a I mean, and my daughter and
my son about four years old, they are what they are.
They're just taller. And I think your first saying was

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Andrew Wiggins, and you really have a close connection to
college basketball and especially Bill self. You nailed it. He's
not an alpha. This is who he is. He's a smart,
thoughtful kid who wants to ball, but he doesn't want it.
This is the kind of place where Kevin Garnett was
an alpha and he struggled pulling Minnesota up. Andrew's a
good kid. Yeah, I mean, look, there's a lot to

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the Garnett thing. You know, if you remember they had
the Joe Smith contract, which was you know, there's a
special contract in the desk, and they lost three first
round picks for it. That really set Minnesota back for years.
There's a lot too why Minnesota hasn't been able to hit.
Last year, they went all in and it didn't work right.
And look, he's getting some of the blame, rightfully, so

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Carl Towns, Karlathon town has got none of the blame.
There's lots of people in the NBA that think he's
not a winning player because he doesn't he's too smart.
He doesn't love basketball right, he loves He's very good
at basketball, but it does he love it right, you know.
And the fact that he meets D'Angelo Russell at the airport, like, hey,
D'Angel Russell, there's another guy who's a losing player that
puts up big stats. Brooklyn doesn't miss him, Golden State
doesn't miss him. It's about fit. Yangel Russell can score points,

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can have assist, but he didn't fit with how they
want to play in Golden State and Golden State they
want to play with a ball moves and he's more
of a ball mover. He doesn't eat ball screens in
order to play. I think he'll be fantastic as their
third offensive option. They still have their first round pick,
They have Minnesota's first round pick next year, their own
first round pick next year. This also give them cat
flexibility this offseason as opposed to next offseason. I think

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this is and here's one last thing. We all have
this imaginary idea of what Golden State should have done.
It's not like the rest of the league's like, hey,
you know, Golden State, they could use another piece, Let's
find a way to trade our best player to help
them out. Right, You're only going to trade for De'anzel
Russell if one you need a lead guard who can
come off of a ball screen, right, and do you

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have a contract that you want to part with that
Golden State wants. It's called a trade for a reason.
So while you may not like the deal, tell me
the better deal out there for Golden State. It like
he doesn't exist. By the way, an interesting team is.
We were talking about this this morning as a staff.
If you go to the Western Conference in the Eastern Conference,

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the first four teams in each have a pretty strong identity.
You know, who's taken the shot last you kind of
know what they are. When you get to the fifth
team in both the West and the East. It's the
Sixers in Houston, and you're like, man, they're talented. I'm
not really sure what they are. So when I look
at Houston and I could take their loss last night,
but it doesn't you know, the bottom line season there
was something interesting, but go ahead. But when I look

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at Houston, I see Philadelphia and there's no identity. The
GM's analytic driven, the owner wanted to sell tickets, the
coaches passive, aggressive, The two stars are uber talented. I'm
not sure they fit. I look at Philly and I
look at Houston, and I say to myself, really interesting,
kind of an interesting mess. I when you look at Houston, Yeah,

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let's talk let's talk about let's talk Houston. Okay. First,
you bring up a great point which I didn't bring
up Friday, and I should have. It's what is Mike
D'Antoni known for everybody thinks seven seconds or less? Right,
and Sean Merriman, Sean Mary, excuse me, moving to the
four Steve Nash two time MVP, but his entire offense

(27:58):
is based upon screen roll election and all of the
spacing and all of the moment it's changed basketball what
they were able to do, spread screen role, having a
Mari start of my role and everybody else space. That's
why he keeps getting good jobs. Right, Look, this is
the eight year anniversary of Lynn sanity in Madison Square
Garden member Jeremy Lynn dominating the NBA for there was

(28:19):
a two week stretch where he's the best player in
the league. It was amazing. Right, then Carmelo comes back,
they go down to Miami and Lebron's like, Okay, that's
the end of that. But the point was the reason
that worked was spread ball, screen, got a great role man. Right,
we've completely taken that away from Houston. Everything that Mike
D'Antoni has done used to be about pick and roll.

(28:40):
And now you take Clint Capella, who's just a role
guy and a rim protector, and he's gone. Now, So
you're you're marginalizing one of the great strengths of your coach.
Who's a very good coach. Is he good enough to
win a championship with? Probably not, because he doesn't care
pay Enoch pottensition to defense. But I do think that
this is really clever. Equally clever as what. I don't

(29:02):
know if he saw what Utah did. Yeah, So what
they've decided you could only have really one what you
would call clogger in college basketball or in the NBA anymore,
one guy who's a non shooter. Right, And what Houston
is decided, it's a big deal in the NBA. You
can't have two guys on the floor of the Knah
shoot like. It's why Capella gets traded, It's why Kevin Garnett,
like Kevin Durant okay, And while Kevin Durant probably shouldn't

(29:23):
have said it, he basically in a podcast said, this
is why I left Oklahoma City. We had no shooting.
Go back and watch. They're up three games to one,
and Golden State put two guys at the elbow. Defensively,
they didn't guard Steven Adams, didn't guy Ron Joy Robertson,
they didn't really guard Russell Westbrook. You know, they didn't
have to guard guard those guys, and there was no space.
And so what Houston has decided is, hey, there's no

(29:44):
space when we play with Russell Westbrook because he's a
terrible three point shooter. But if we play Russell Westbrook
and one of our centers like Clint Cappella. Now there's
two guys that are cloggers. They take the clogger and
ship him elsewhere. So now Russell Westbrook is the one
non shooter, you put shooters all around him, and it
worked against the Lakers. It kind of worked last night
although they lost and Utah actually guarded him with Rudy

(30:06):
Gobert Derred and shoot played off him in long arm. Whatever.
It's gonna be fascinating to watch. I think Houston they're
gonna beat somebody in the playoffs. They will. They're not
gonna beat somebody important, but they'll they're gonna ruin somebody's season, right,
Like what is Denver gonna do? If Yokich, who's Yokich
gonna guard? Who's gonna guard? And while you say it's

(30:26):
analytics driven, it is because analytics tells us that posting
up is actually an inefficient shot if you're shooting over
the top of the guy who's guarding you. It also
hurts your rebounding, it hurts your defensive balance, a lot
of different things. So I think Houston is doing the
best they can as they're trying to figure out, all, right,
what can we do with Russell Westbrook, what can we

(30:46):
do with PJ. Tucker. Let's just completely go small ball.
The problem is that eventually you have to have a
change up, a different pitch, if you will, and they
don't have it. Yeah for Philadelphia, you know you asked
me last week, and I think everyone's starting to come
around to one of those two is going to have
to go. And why Because the clogger is Ben Simmons, right,
which is fine because Joel embid can shoot threes, but

(31:08):
you don't want Joel embiad only shooting threes and he
can only space the floor when you have Ben Simmons
because Ben Simmons man's in the way. I think space
is a huge part of college basketball, of NBA basketball,
and that's what's killing the seventy six ers. And that's
what Houston is trying to do the best they can
based upon the personnel. All right, x fol Thoughts from

(31:28):
the opening weekend with Dog, Tom Brady and Dallas. I
know it sounds nuts, but people who are great who
feel disrespected always like to prove a point. And good God,
could he upgrade in so many facets moving to Dallas.
If Dak wants thirty eight million that's coming up. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Herd week dayson

(31:48):
noon Easter nine am Pacific. All right, welcome back, Goodavian.
Doug gott leaves joining me top of the hour. Colin right,
Colin wrong? All right? So you had t J Hush
Bunzada on Friday on the show, I was all and
a labor intensive weekend. So, uh, it's flying down a
mountain skin my daughter, I mean the two of you
that between you enjoy joy pit posting these pictures. Uh,

(32:09):
you know Miami and no listen by Amy. She was
had she had some you're some party this weekend, right,
and my Battrett party and my my sister in law
Monica's bridle show. The most beautiful people in the world.
People like you don't a modeling agency. Joy's got a
modeling agency. As an instagram'd, I can't follow her because
you know, like you're at home and your your kids

(32:30):
are like, Who's who's posted inappropriate? That inappropriate? Joy? Ridiculously
good looking people. Joy has a rule if you've ever
had a pimple, you can't be on her Instagram. And
then you like mid show, you're you're You're like, you know,
you're on the You're you're clearly roughing it up in
Park City Champagne in one hand, you know so, But
when you had TJ on Yes, we get shocked all

(32:52):
the time, and sports we are shocked. You and I'll
be texting what what Brady to Dallas? It it's the
one place Tom could go and tomorrow the Patriots are uninteresting?
It would be a total facial. Oh well, it would
be a facial. I don't think they'd be uninteresting. Like
how they would do without him would be fascinated. We'd
all pay attention, right, I think Brady at Dallas would

(33:14):
speed Lebron of the Lakers and no listen, no question,
no question, but you're at least the first year without
him would be fascinating. How they do right that they go?
Can can Andy Dalton at this agent's career be as
good as effective as Tom Brady? Could they use that
money and sprinkle around and get talented players? Look, I
love TJ. And there's part of what I take for him.

(33:37):
I know he's only relaying what has been said by
important people to him. Yes, he also said Antonio Brown
was going to come with him, and I said that
sounds great. Okay, but that's a Roger Goodell decision, not
a Tom Brady decision. I believe Antonio Brown will never
play in the NFL again, I agree, okay, So, but
what TJ is saying is what everyone in the NFL

(33:59):
has heard. There's two different parts. One, if you talk
to a different person clothes to Tom, they all have
some different idea as to what he's going to do,
so no one really knows. But if you took the
overwhelming narrative, here's the second part they all seem to say.
I think I think the divorce is going to happen
with the Patriots. You know, Skip has said, you know,

(34:22):
why not? You can cut Garoppolo four million dollars. He's
always wanted to be a Niner. Tom Brady makes that
throw on third and ten that Jimmy Garoppolo overthrows by
five yards, right, I don't think that's a crazy None
of these are crazy ideas if you're a ready made,
ready to win team. But I also think that going
back isn't the craziest idea because they're not that far away,

(34:45):
you know, and you would say, well, they didn't do
the right job to go out and get wide receivers
like no, no, they had Josh Gord, they had Antonio Brown,
they both imploded. They had plenty of talent those guys.
You know, find a replacement for Rob Gronkowski is hard.
It's not easy. Wouldn't just go, hey, oh you need
a tight end? Here you go, right? I know you
lost Gronk, so um, I still believe that at the

(35:08):
end of the day. It's really hard at this point
in your career to change that. And that's why, And
I think that's why he stays yes. But I don't
think Dallas. Jerry's a visionary. He's aggressive. And if Dak
says thirty eight or I'm not coming back, sometimes you
get trapped. Yeah. I don't know if Jerry does that
as much as Steven does it. You know, Jerry, and

(35:28):
I said this on your show Friday, is Jerry is
the dad that talks tough, right, taking away your phone
for two weeks and then your kid comes in and says, Dad,
I need my phone because all my friends know what
the homework is and we're all texting each other what
we're gonna do. You're like, all right, it's in the
top drawer. Yeah, I got grounded for a summer by

(35:49):
my mom. It lasted four days. Yeah, that's that's who Jerry.
That's who Jerry Jones is, right than Jerry's you know
Zeke who And then of course he gives in like,
oh my dad. Here's the biggest is a huge contract,
which is a terrible contract. So it sounds good to
say that Jerry's going to part ways with Dak. But
remember Jerry believes he discovered Dak, right, that's there's a

(36:11):
big part of it. He's he They're they're kind of
pot committed to Dak Prescott because they got him in
the fourth round. He was the one who saved the day.
They won a lot of game, not against the actual
good teams this year. But I look, I would Brady
would be better for that Cowboys team, right with that
offensive line, with that running game for a year. Yes, yes, um,

(36:32):
but I you know he's not a cowboy. And you
tell Jerry to part ways with a cowboy like it
took him an extra year to get rid of Dez
Bryant and he's still thinking about bringing Dez Brian back in.
He's just he's so emotionally tied. I think Stephen Jones
might do it because he wants to win a championship
and Brady is regal, and Brady would be great, But
I don't think Jerry Jones approves of that. And I
still think at the end of the day, Tom Brady says,

(36:55):
do I really want to teach everybody in an offensive
room an offense that I know? You know? I mean
the perfect example. When you play sports, everyone has something
you can well we call that Chicago. Well I call
that Philadelphia, all right, So now what are we going
to call it? You have? Everything you've done for twenty
years has been called one thing. And remember the Patriots
offense has changed and metamorphosize itself several different times over,

(37:18):
but they've all worked together, working with a whole new
slate of people. With Kellen Moore has been calling plays
for all of one season. That does not sound like
a plan that wins, even if the talent says you'd
be better off. All right. The XFL debut. It got
higher ratings than everything else this week, and the two
highest ratings were I don't know what order, Fox and ABC.

(37:38):
Those two games were the two highest games Lakers played
Carolina Duke. Duke was amazing, by the way, I mean
Carolina had a ten point lead with two o seven
to go and lost and over it was an incredible game.
So what do you make of it? What is your
overall takeaway? Because obviously it's a brand new business. It's
Starbucks in nineteen seventy one. It's Amazon when they just
sold books, it's first weekend debut, restaurant opens. Don't think

(38:00):
it's though, because it doesn't. As long as they understand
and keep the salaries where they need to be. It's
still minor league sports. Now, when you say minor league
sports like it's like a bad word. The G League's
minor league sports. The G League has better talent than
college basketball, no question. But nobody watched the G League.
Why because they don't have Vince McMahon or a good
TV deal. Right, But Vince McMahon got the good TV

(38:21):
deal and part of it is Vincent Man has the WWE,
which he leveraged in order to get these great TV deals.
I think you have a business genius and the people
running the XFL, and you have you know, Andrew Luck's dad,
who also is super smart. Super you have really smart
people understanding how to keep salaries under control, a limit
to the number of games, two solid TV contracts, and

(38:43):
they're trying things. If the NFL is smart, they pick
different ideas and try and implement them. I talked to
a TV executive this weekend and he goes, here's what
I know about the XFL. The NFL is going to
steal some stuff from this. Of course they are. Of course. Look,
I played in the USBL. I played in the ABA
two thousand. ABA two thousands. This great rule where if
you stole a ball that was in the backcourt or

(39:04):
a pass that emanated from the backcourt, you got an
extra point basketball. If I gotta lay up, it counted
as three, not as two. If I hit a three
counts as four. It was begging you to be an
aggressive defender. Yes, it to press right. And actually the
eight second rule that the NBA has to get the
ball cross court, I think that one of that was
the ABA had that. So it's a it's a great

(39:24):
chance to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. Right.
It's a chance for these guys who are who are
great college players to get one more chance to show themselves.
And I mean, like, look, if I had the opportunity
to play in minor league sports. I would. I think
the genius to it is in the guys that are
running it, you know, and dictating that it's going to
be on network TV to start. How it does weekend two,

(39:46):
weekend three will tell us how long it lasts. But
I do think it was a great opening weekend and
both broadcast partners did a phenomenal job of covering it. Yeah. No,
I thought I thought it sounded professional. I thought it
looked sounded like a professional league. Doug Gottlie the Dugger
a Fox Sports Radio after our show Hour Too, Colin right,
Colin wrong? Coming up next, Good stuff by Doug One

(40:06):
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(40:28):
Fox Sports Radio, and we're on FS one and I
have moved into the sweater stage of my clothing allowance.
Here at FS one, I will be doing sweaters for
the next two and a half months and I'll segue
into the nice shirts. But it is. It's chili, chili everywhere,
even in Los Angeles over the weekend. It was chili.
It's chili where everywhere in America except Miami. And that's

(40:49):
where I have lost a little bit of my voice.
But you said you've lost your voice too. Yeah. I
haven't had a voice in like three weeks though, because
I was sick before we went in Miami. You know
what I bet it is. I wonder if it's this
because we're around each other for three hours a day. Yeah,
I mean someone kept someone came here sick like that's
how it always and so you got it and then
I got it. Yeah, because you don't feel bad. No,
I don't physically feel bad. It's just gone same here.

(41:10):
And then, you know, we talk for three hours a day,
so no one. I'd love if Gooley would lose his
voice because I'm tired of listening to him. I am
dying that Gooley gets this sickness. All right, Here we
go we call it on Mondays. Colin right, Colin wrong,
plenty of both. Then here we go where Colin was right.
I think the XFL had a really good opening weekend.
I think it's gonna work. I think one of these
football leagues, if you put it in the right place,

(41:31):
the spring is gonna work. The first week of ticket
sales surpassed the entire season of the AAF ticket sales.
Like Doug Gottlieb said, I think they have the right ownership.
I think they have the right management in Vince McMahon. Listen,
it's not the NFL, although there are a handful of
NFL players in this league. I thought the television presentation

(41:51):
was legit. I thought, you know menifee and you got
you got your Brockhewards and your clats and your MENA fees,
and I listened to Steve Levy, these are professional broadcast.
Pat McAfee was a bunch of fun. It looks like
a league that's gonna last. And remember the WNBA has
lasted twenty years because they were smart enough to put

(42:11):
it in the summer, and they got the arenas right
in the ownership group right, this is gonna work. We
have an nine ten week hole in our sports calendar,
and these networks are all dying. They're dying for content.
So even if you don't love the football, you couldn't
put that on television. I sat and watched an hour

(42:33):
Saturday at an hour Sunday. It wasn't it was. I
liked them miking the coaches and miking the you know,
the the replay officials. I thought it was entertaining, and
I think the NFL is going to steal all sorts
of stuff from it. Where Colin was raw, I've been
given the Dodgers credit for five years because they're not
one of these goofy teams that hands out ten year contracts.

(42:54):
They're going to hand out a ten year contract for
Mookie Betts, who's already in his late twenties. None of
these things work. Mooky's a player, but they gave up
a top prospect, and you're not going to give up
a top prospect in your farm system to borrow Mookie
Bets for a year. So they're gonna sign him to
a massive contract because he's not gonna stay unless you
give him a nine ten year deal. And he's already
like twenty seven years old. Two years ago, he was
the MVP. Last year he hit like two ninety five

(43:16):
to ninety six. I'm not saying he's not a good player,
but Mike Trout, the best player in baseball, was on
a fourth place team last year. I don't buy into
these ten year contracts. They don't work, They create apathy.
They put way too much pressure on people. And even
if you have a good contract, after about six years,
by the end of it you got an old guy.
You're paying forty five lards to a year. I thought

(43:36):
the Dodgers they moved off Machado and Bryce Harper AND's
at granky and that's why they keep winning. And it's
a flexible, nimble payroll. But it looks like they're all
in for ten, nine or ten years. On Mookie where
Colin was right, I said, Kevin Durant without basketball is
going to be a social media circus because that dude's
gonna get bored out of his mind because he loves
basketball and he watches it. Well, he's on a podcast.

(43:58):
Last week he got into a beef with Kendrick Perkin.
He admitted now his Twitter Burner account, he's not giving
it up. He said, here's why I left Golden State. Listen,
Kevin Durant loves basketball. He is basketball, and without basketball,
he's a social media circus. And the one thing about
Kevin I will defend because he's a great player. He's
a little thin skinned. Let's be honest. Go to Twitter

(44:19):
for five minutes. Everybody's thin skinned. I can't say Kevin
Durant is thin skinned the world watch Twitter for five minutes.
Our president can be thin skinned. On social media. Everybody's
thin skinned. But it has become a little bit of
a circus where Colin was raw. Philadelphia seventy six ers
or a mess. I thought they needed to make a
move of the trading deadline. They've lost five straight road games.

(44:41):
They're a horrible road team. And I do think they
have the most talented starting five in the East and
the best starting seven in the NBA. And right now,
they would open up against Miami and the Heat would
have home court advantage and Miami would beat him because
Miami has their issues, but they play defense and everybody
appears to get along. Spost was an excellent coach. This

(45:02):
thing doesn't work in Philadelphia. I've said this. Embid doesn't
like Simmons. Simmons doesn't like Embiid. Brett Brown seems to
work well with Simmons. Nobody works well with Embiid, who's
a marvelous talent. That you can get a caravan of
picks and players for. But the six Ers once again
or a mess. And I just love their talent. I
think their talent is unbelievable. Where Colin was right, Well,

(45:25):
I've been saying for years New York has the worst
sports ownership in North America. There's no place worse than
New York. And what a weekend for New York. James
Dolan cleaned house again for the Knicks, hired an agent
who's supposed to be a good guy, and the Warriors
did it. But Bob Myers was also you know, a
former player. Anyway, the Knicks and James Dolan cleaned house again.

(45:47):
I just run into David Fizdale, by the way last week,
former Knicks coach. Good dude. And oh, by the way,
the Mets need an owner because the will Ponds got
housed by Bernie Madoff. They don't have any money. They
had a guy, Steve Cohen, who's worth thirteen billion, and
they screwed that up over the weekend. So the Mets
continue to be a mess. The Knicks cleanedhouse again. Everybody's
always afraid of New York. Oh my god, they've got

(46:09):
all this money. Can somebody name a team outside of
the Yankees that appears moderately well owned and well run,
the Knicks and the Mets. Once again, we're a circus.
Over the weekend where Colin was right well, we kept
saying Lakers do not trade Kyle Kuzma, and we were

(46:29):
right on this. I think Rob Polinka listens to the show.
I swear to God, you media people and you fans
have been trying to trade Kyle Kuzma for the last
twelve months. He's their third leading scorer. He's their only
young athletic wing who you can trust. Can we let
some of these guys bake a little? I mean, you've

(46:50):
all bailed on Andrew Wiggins, You've all bailed on Kyle Kuzma.
Kyle Kuzma is the third leading score and the only
what you would call asset as a young player. Listen,
Toronto may be old, but they got young guys. Lakers
don't have any. It's flaky guys like Dwight Howard, JaVale McGee,

(47:11):
old guys like Lebron Dandy Green, Anthony Davis, who can
be brittle. The Lakers smartly held on to Kuzma as
we told them to do. Where Colin was row. I
don't even understand the Toronto Raptors. They've won fifteen straight games.
I have no idea how Fred van Vleet I honestly
is there a team. I'll tell you what it is

(47:31):
is Nick Nurse the most underrated coach in any American
professional sports league. And I'm talking everything and I don't
follow hockey. All I know about Nick Nurse. He won
everywhere he was in minor league basketball. He won the
title last year. Listen, Pascal say, Alkin's a nice player,
but it's a lot of old guys. It's Kyle Lowry,
it's Fred van Vleet. I like Fred van Vleet should

(47:54):
should he be scoring seventeen eighteen to night fifteen game
winning streak right now? And by the way, they're long,
they're deep, though, will coach they play hard. It's hard
to get a championship team to play hard every night.
Toronto does just say that out loud, fifteen game winning
streak in the NBA, that's like Miami Heat, Duyne Wade

(48:16):
Lebron James. That's an absurd Shaq Kobe. Did they ever
have a fifteen game regular season winning streak in the
regular season. That is a folks, that's a month and
a half. They haven't lost a basketball game where Colin
was right. Houston Rockets, Westbrook and Hardener talented. Nobody disputes it.
But now last week they had to trade Clint Capella

(48:36):
because Westbrook can shoot, and he can't get rid of
Westbrooks contract, and he does sell tickets, and he is fascinating,
and he does have nights like last night or he
is amazing. But the Houston Rockets, to me, are a
very interesting lab experiment. They are now currently the shortest
team in the NBA. I don't trust them situationally at

(48:56):
the end of games. I know Harden and Westbrooker friends.
I get it, and that certainly isn't a bad thing,
but it doesn't solve a truth about Westbrook. He's a
bad three point shooter, and you couldn't have two bad
three point shooters on the floor. So you had to
bail on Capella, who's a great rim protector. Gave you
a ton of easy baskets, and the Rockets now are

(49:18):
a game out of seventh place in the West. I
never bought this thing, and right now they may win
a series. They got no chance to beat the Lakers,
the Clippers, the Jazz or Denver no shot. Where Colin
was right Andrew Wiggins' debut, do environments matter? He's gonna work.

(49:38):
Andrew Wiggins walked into Golden State, had a great opening night,
eight for twelve, three or four on threes, twenty four points.
He is a graceful, thoughtful, dynamic athletic wing who is
not built. His personality is not built to be a
domineering alpha. But I get him at twenty four years old,

(49:58):
time out old Jordan was a selfish ballhog at twenty four.
At twenty six, Phil Jackson said, what do you want
to be a score or a winner? Can we give
this kid a year to potentially work in Golden State.
This is a very well run organization. He's gonna fit nicely.
And again, this is not a team that's gonna win

(50:18):
this year. Next year, He's gonna give you twenty three
a night with a high IQ, incredibly functional organization, and
if the first game is any indication, he's going to
be fine. Where Colin was right. Finally, I told you
Parasite was the best movie I saw all year. I
watched it on a flight. And when you can watch
a movie on a flight and it's great. They won

(50:40):
Best Picture last night. It is one of them. I'm
not gonna give away what it is, but I'm not
sure I've ever watched a movie in my life that
was one thing for an hour and then another thing
for the next hour. It makes a drastic turn halfway through.
It is fascinating. They won everything last night. It is

(51:06):
just it is Listen. I all I know is this
when you are done watching a movie and you don't
know how to feel. You're like, it was funny and
then it was frightening, and then it was sad, and
then it was poignant. It was all of those things
for two hours. I strongly suggest you go watch Parasite.

(51:29):
Now again, you're gonna have to read the movie, but
you get used to that after about five minutes. And
it's one of those was subbing. I see it's I
think it's fantastic. I just I went for a long
walk yesterday with a buddy of mine who was a
writer in Los Angeles, and he was back in town.
He'd left for a while and we were just talking
about movies in Hollywood, and I'm like, I don't know.

(51:52):
Irishman Chris Rock had a great joke about Irishman. He goes,
I'd like to congratulate the first season of Irishman was great.
My wife didn't like Irishman. I did. It's very, very long,
but I like Scorsese and de Niro Pacino. It kind
of puts to bed all the mobster movies by Scorsese.
They were all in nursing homes by the end of it,
dead or in nursing homes. But I thought Parasite was
remarkable stuff, remarkable movies coming up next. It was exactly

(52:19):
what it needed to be on the things it could control.
But first, Tom Curran, the number one Patriots reporter in
America in my opinion, is gonna be joining us next.
T J Hushman Zada says Tom's not coming back to
New England. TJ works with pros every day, talks to
pros every day. Tom Curran next on the story. That

(52:43):
may sound crazy, but I don't think it is Brady
leaving New England. Tom is joining us next. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and noon
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The Daytona five hundred kicks off the twenty twenty NASCAR

(53:04):
season Sunday at two thirty Eastern, with the pre race
beginning at one only on Fox. By the way, they
should have Michelin and Durance wiper blades on those cars.
Last two times longer available at Walmart. I'll take Joey
Legono to win. Come on, Gooley, you're a NASCAR guy.
You like Joey Legono to win? Who you got? He's
one of the favorite chess. I don't think they generally
run winshell wipers on NASCAR, but you know, hey whatever, Hey,

(53:26):
you got sponsors, you got segue joy. I liked it,
and I agree it's it would be safer, yeah, for
everyone involved, exactly. Okay. When it comes to the Patriots,
Tom Curran, I used to live out in Connecticut, and
when I was out there, the guy that I really
depended on for Patriot News was Tom Curran twenty three
years covering this franchise. If he says it, it's true,

(53:46):
he's got contact. You cover a beat for twenty three years,
you've got contacts in the building. He's joining us now
via the Coward Global satellite network covered the Patriots since
ninety seven. By the way, he's got go to his
Twitter account at Tom E. Curran. All Right, Tommy, I
feel like I'm talking to Brady. There are reports out there.
Refute it or tell me I'm nuts. What are you hearing?

(54:06):
The report is? It came out last week, not from you,
that Tom wants something north of thirty and the Patriots
have agreed to pay him north of thirty. That was
the report. How does that land for you? What do
you know about that? That's premature, Colin. The Patriots right
now and Tom Brady haven't even begun negotiations, much less

(54:28):
started talking about money. So this became a source of
irritation in the days following the Super Bowl because it
already sets an expectation for the Patriots and really for
fans in New England of what the Patriots are willing
to do. And I think what's important about this is
it's not really the number thirty, because not only from
the Patriots side does it set a false expectation of

(54:48):
what the Patriots are about to do. From the Brady side,
it sets a notion that the Patriots are needing to
please him financially. And that's not what it's all about, man,
So let's move to that. What is it about for Tom?
He's got a net worth a five hundred million, he's
got a trophy wall. What is this really about? Tom?

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It's about this very simply, Colin. He wants to get
to the line, be under center or in shotgun in
twenty twenty, and look across at the defense and say,
you know what, I got an app for that. I
got a guy here, I got a guy there. I
know we can execute on this play that's going to work.
And he hasn't really felt that way the last two years,
especially in twenty nineteen and twenty eighteen. It was a
hard road to figure out exactly how they were going

(55:33):
to move the football successfully. So it hasn't been a
lot of fun offensively. So it's not about the money.
It's about the opportunity to enjoy the football, to enjoy
the offensive side of things, to not have to throw
it away six times a game, or run for his life,
or not know exactly where his receivers are going to be.
So that is the surrounding cast is as important or
more important than the money. I had somebody inside the

(55:56):
Patriot Building tell me at the Super Bowl that nikkil
Harry's a nice player, but he's not special. He can't separate.
He's not changing anything for Tom. But they like him.
But there are good good catch radius, but there are limitations.
Tom wants somebody ab that can separate, that can change
the game, that can make it easier. This is the
knock I've always had, and I've defended Tom on. This

(56:18):
is that Tom takes these pay cuts and then he
looks around and goes, well, what are the hell's all
of talent? Where are the players? Look at Kansas City,
look at Baltimore, look at Dallas. Is that a bone
of contention for Brady? One billion percent? That's why when
Tom Brady talks about not taking a hometown discount, that's
why people say, well, suddenly it's about the money, and

(56:40):
it hasn't been in the past. No, he's not taking
a hometown discount to have a repeat of things that
have happened in the past. For instance, he was supposed
to be paid fifteen million dollars in twenty eighteen. The
Patriots gave him five one million dollars incentives that if
you hit them all he'd make twenty That's still low,
but the incentives were so exaggeratedly high, and the Patriots
has seen such an outflow at the receiver position from

(57:02):
two thousand and sixteen excuse me seventeen that they weren't
able to hit those. So Brady's like, look, I'm not
going to come back for less. I made twenty three
last year. You think I'm gonna come back for twenty
with you guys saying we promise we're going to do
something special for you wide receiver. And the hard thing
about a call, and I wrote about this last week,
the timing is so difficult. The Patriots have to thread
a needle somehow because the beginning of free agency in

(57:25):
the tampering period March sixteenth, they can't sign anybody, so
they can't prove it to Brady that they're going to
bring a bunch of guys in. And additionally, those guys
who the Patriots might bring in, are they going to
want to sign with the Patriots if they're not sure?
Tom Brady's staying, yes, I think you nailed it threading
the needle on this. We talked about this last week, Tom,
and I listen and read your stuff. You're never hyperbolic, ever,

(57:47):
but it does sound like that what Tommy wants they
don't have. It does sound like he would leave. The
only thing they have is continuity, comfort and the ability
to know that my guy on the sideline over there
and my offensive coordinator on the sideline over there are
better than your guys. And I'm comfortable here, and I

(58:07):
love the defensive players, and I love the culture, and
I love the priorities here. But other than that, it's
going to be hard to convince him to run it
back one more time after what it looked like in
twenty nineteen. Finally, Tom Current, covering the Patriots for over
twenty years, you know, I can make the argument that Indianapolis,

(58:28):
between the GM, the coach, the on line, and the
tight ends really works. But I'm gonna let you take
this one. If I said to you, all right, Tom,
you think he could leave? Is there a landing spot
that makes sense in your opinion? You mentioned one, I'll
mention another one that's right there with it as one
B Tampa Bay. You go down there, you have Mike Evans,

(58:52):
you have Chris Godwin, you have ninety million dollars in
cap space. You have if the ability to get into
OIO Brown reinstated, comes to pass, and again that is
not anything anyone would count on. You have the opportunity
to have him added that. I think you have Jason
Light in the front office, a former Patriots executive Indianapolis

(59:15):
is a great point. And look, all of these teams
they could change on a dime. The ones with a
lot of cap space Miami for instance, ninety million dollars
in cap space. Good players on offense, you can change
that quick if you can get the right guys. Good stuff.
Tom Curran follow him on Twitter. Tommy Curran also podcast.
He has a Patriot's Talk. It drops Tuesday and Thursday.
Will stay on this stuff. Owa's a bottom line, common

(59:38):
sense opinion on New England. Tom, thanks again. All right, buddy,
take care. All right, that's journalism right there. That's that's journalist.
Another team is there there, Tampa Bay. First of all,
there are so many Patriot employees in front offices. I
forgot Jason Lett. I'm like, of course, he's a Patriot.
Tennessee's got Patriot has got Patriots. San Francisco, the whole league.

(01:00:04):
We did the Jerseys. I gotta tell you know, you
and I, Oh, we were talking about this this morning
in the makeup room. UM, you of course don't need it.
I have a truck lower a cement truck lowered in Um. Yeah,
they've put it on with a hose for me. The
thing about Tampa, Mike Evans is so perfect for Tom.

(01:00:27):
You just throw that ball up. By the way, when
did Tom have his most success Moss, I'm gonna throw
it up because Tom can read the defense. Tom's whole thing.
It didn't have a huge arm. Mike Evans is the
best player in the league that nobody watches. He's uncoverable.
But again, in that division we watched Cams and the
Saints and the Falcons. Mike Evans and Tom Brady is

(01:00:50):
that is a Tom's back in the forty five touchdown range.
And I'm not joking. That's that's in the Super Bowl.
I don't know, but Tom's I'm telling you, Mike Evans
and Tom Brady would immediately be wildly productive. They would
be It wouldn't be Moss Brady, but it would look
a little bit like it. At times, Joy with a
news no, no, this is the herd Line news. Well,

(01:01:15):
we all pretty much assumed this was coming, but it
is now official that Chargers announced that they have mutually
parted ways with Philip Rivers and he will enter free
agency and impressed release GM Tom Tillesco said this move
puts everyone in the best position for success in twenty twenty,
but he still believes that Rivers can be a starter
in the league. Rivers think the organization for the last
sixteen years and looks forward to the next step in

(01:01:37):
his career. He's currently sixth all time in passing touchdowns
with three hundred ninety seven, second most consecutive starts by
a quarterback two hundred and twenty four, only trails Brett Farve.
They got a lot of players. I'm gonna tay something.
They got a lot of players. I don't. I mean,
where do you see Philip Rivers going? Oh? I don't
see him going anywhere. I think it's over, and I

(01:01:58):
think it was a great run. Like ELI like it,
don't Tom Brady. If he didn't have eight rings, a
lot of people would say that's over. Philip stun it's
a great career. It's over. He's nobody. This is not
what the league looks like anymore. Be the time for
him to announce his retirement. If he's going to well,
I would probably announce it in a week or two.
I would let the Chargers have their saying. Then I
would come out and say it. But I don't. This
is not about Philip. It's about who the Chargers with

(01:02:19):
this roster, oh for sure. But the idea that that
Philip Rivers is gonna be a starter somewhere, I don't.
I don't see where. You know what I want? If
I'm tah, I'm like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna limp it combined.
You know what I should drop? I don't know if
I'm if anybody that doesn't. Whatever, rookie quarterback goes to
the Chargers, they have the sixth thing though he might

(01:02:42):
still be there. That's what I'm saying. If Tua drops
to them, I would go somewhere where he doesn't have
to start his first year. Well Taylor, So yeah, Tie
Rodger grown up. That's a That's a good situation to me.
And he's a pro. He hold on right, Yeah, under control?
Can I do this? This is really yeah? It looks good.

(01:03:03):
What are you doing? Um? Now? The Chargers do have them.
I mean, this is why he keeps coming up about
tom possibly going there. I don't think so. I think
they want to stay. I think they listen. They had old,
an unathletic guy. I think they want yeah going yeah,
but Tom Brady is still a start. I can't. Can

(01:03:23):
we move the draft up to next weekend? Whoever the
Chargers get, whatever rookie quarterback goes to that roster, you
could throw them all twelve times a game. I mean
they're tight ends, they're running backs, their defense, this is
this roster is ready to win. It's a good situation
to go to. So des Bryant hasn't played in the
NFL game since twenty seventeen, but he hasn't given up
hope on making a comeback. He told Cowboys reporter Mike

(01:03:44):
Fisher that he's more serious than ever about getting another
chance in the league and is one percent hungry for
the right situation. He just posted some video this weekend
um working out, and he says he's healthy again. Stephen
Jones said he got a tax from Dez saying that
he would like to come back to the Cowboys. I
will say this about Dez. This is one of my
knocks on Kaepernick. Dez tells you wants to play football.

(01:04:07):
He puts a video out every week. Dez Bryant workout
videos too well. But he had a stretch where he
told me love football, and I'm like, I casually follow Twitter.
Dez Bryant's got a video out every fourth day, has
a new video. Is ready to come back? This is
there in the Super bowling about coming back? What about XFL?

(01:04:29):
I think is still an NFL player? All right, I'm
just saying I always, I mean, unfortunately had that injury
with the Saints, but he was he was ready and
does his body. He's had some injuries obviously, but I
think if he's if he's one hundred percent healthy, he
would be a valuable asset to a team that is
ready to win. Now. Is he gonna go back to
the Cowboys? That I don't know. It was obviously the

(01:04:49):
way that things ended with the Cowboys was not the
best situation. I don't think he's in a different he
was in a different place in his career. I think
like the forcing it to Dez with Dak and I
don't think that would be the situation if he came
back to the All I know with Dez Brian is
the optics I'm seeing is he's big, He's strong, he's
working out, and he shows me loves football. I don't
think it's nuts. I always said Tebow should have gone

(01:05:10):
to Canadian football. Tebow was above it. It's like no, no, no,
no no. Warren Mood played CFL football, Vince Ferragama played
TABA football. It's been NFL guys. Dez Bryant goes to
the XFL for three weekends and lights it up. I
mean he dominates it. Yeah, I mean, I still think
Jaz is about xf out, but it would be I mean,
who blow XFL up? That's for sure. He's gonna want

(01:05:33):
more money than XFL is going to pay him. Right now,
he's not making a ton. So Finally, Ron Ribera is
not named a starting quarterback for the Redskins next year,
saying there needs to be a quarterback competition first, But
Senior VP of Player Development Doug Williams thinks that Haskins
is really only in competition with himself. He said, the
new staff knows that Dwayne Haskins is the starting quarterback here.
The only thing that can happen is for Dwayne to

(01:05:54):
give it back to them. He has a long way
to go, but like I told him, he was doing
what we expected him to do. Hopefully he keeps going up.
All eyes are going to be on him. At the
same time, we've got a new coaching stuff and they're
not married to him. That's fair, So it's kind of
it's kind of playing on both sides there, like they
know he's the starting quarterback, but they're not married to him.
I do think they're gonna stick with Haskins this year,

(01:06:15):
going to take Chase Young the second pick in the draft. Yeah,
I think they're gonna go with Chase Young because obviously
Cincinnati's gonna take a quarback, which you're assuming is Joe Burrow.
That's that's how that's gonna go, unless they get a
haul of picks for someone to move up, which there's
gonna be a lot of movement in this draft, I
think as well, because there's a lot of people that
have a lot of draft equity who need quarterbacks. But
I don't know if Haskins is the guy. I'd like

(01:06:37):
to give him another year under Ron Rivera before some
big changes are made. But then again, are you going
to be in the position where you have the second
overall pick in the draft? Like, that's not the idea.
The idea is not to be picking that high in
the draft next year. So if you need a quarterback,
Chase Young's a hard guy to give up. Yeah, you
know my rule on this stuff, and Trevor Lawrence next

(01:06:58):
year is the exception and luck was the exception. I
would always trade down. I would almost always. Washington needs
about six guys. I'm not a big believer in hoarding
up draft picks because as we know, the draft is
a crapshoot anyway, So I'm with you if you do,
if you feel like you can. He needs a little
bit more development and they have patience. Now, Obamrivera just
got there. I wouldn't like these win this second. What

(01:07:20):
if I could get a two first round picks for
Chase Young and I could get him two starting tackles
or they got a Trent Williams issue. To me, when
you get a young quarterback, you don't need a superstar.
He needs to be successful. Yeah, Because I mean, let's
be honest about Ron Rivera. He's not gonna wait long.
You're gonna get about twelve fifteen games and he's gonna
make a decision. I'm with you or not. No, but
he does have this year yes, you know she has one.

(01:07:42):
Get there, Joy with the news. Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the herd Line news. By
the way, the XFL debuted this weekend. I thought they
did really, really well. A lot of times I watch
people judge new businesses and people that have never run
a business or been part of a new business don't understand.

(01:08:03):
It's not linear. Good God, Major League Baseball has been
around for a hundred years. They have an activity issue
because of analytics. The NBA's got a ratings issue and
a stylistic problem. All they do is shoot threes. It
is hard running leagues. Leagues can be I mean the
NFL two years ago had a catch rule problem that
was literally the talk of the nation. It is hard

(01:08:24):
to run a league. It's hard to be president, it's
hard to run a company. And it's not linear. But
I did think for a first weekend, the XFL hit
it out of the park. Joy and I talked about
this this morning. It looked like a professional league. The
camera angles, the microphones, the transparency, the kickoff rules. No
you don't have Russell Wilson, No you don't have Davonte Adams.

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No you don't have superstar Stefan Gilmour at corner. But
you got a bunch of guys who love football. It's
smartly run. It's on the biggest two domestic sports networks
in America, Fox in the ESPN plus ABC and FS one.
It's gonna work. We have a massive hole in the calendar.
Everything they can control. The XFL they did. It was fun,

(01:09:10):
It looked legitimate. The microphones worked. There was a lot
of great conversation. It was quirky and had cool new rules.
Here's the things they can't control. Attendance, that's up to you.
The consumer acceptance by the media, that's up to individual
media members. Quarterback quality, well, who's out there. There are

(01:09:31):
some things they'll never be able to control. Your love
for it, my acceptance of it, the quality of quarterbacks
that college football or the NFL gives them. But everything
they could have controlled was really, really good. The quality
of the broadcasts were excellent, both on ABC and Fox.
The camera angles, the quirkiness, the rules. I think the

(01:09:52):
NFL is gonna borrow that kickoff rule. Eventually, I liked it.
You're not going to have the superstar players on the perimeter.
There's no Odell Beckham in this league. But I was
saying this with a w NBA earlier. They're two decades strong.
They have made some changes. They don't plan NBA arenas
like they used too. Many of the NBA owners have
sold their shares, But the w NBA is still working.

(01:10:15):
It still works. It's not the NBA. It's not built
to be the NBA, and this is not built to
be the NFL. Overall, though, I thought they had a
great weekend. I watched an hour Saturday and an hour Sunday.
I thought it looks great. I thought it was fun.
I think it's in the perfect spot. We got you
and I work in a business. We got a ten
week hole. Well, I say it all the time. Sports

(01:10:35):
and politics are the last live thing, the last thing
you have to watch live. Everything else's streams can record it,
watch it later shows. You don't need to be in
front of your television. So it's at a premium right now.
It looked great. I haven't did an amazing job. It's
a long play and I happen to love like minor
league baseball, and I think they're great. It's great family environment. Yeah,
fun to go too. By the way, tickets are one

(01:10:57):
quarter what they would in the NFL. It's inclusive financially,
no expensive, it isn't take an entire family new sporting events. Listen.
I went to an NBA game in Utah. I got
free tickets, but I saw what the tickets cost. Yes,
it's not. It is a lot of money to go
to an NBA game. Yeah. I had a blast, but
it's a lot of money. All right, Coming up next,

(01:11:18):
he's an agent, He's a three time champ. He's BJ Armstrong.
He's next in LA Live's Herd. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Easter nine
a m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and
the iHeartRadio app. He played on the greatest team ever assemble,
the Chicago Bulls. He was an All Star three rings.
BJ Armstrong is now an agent. Interesting today you drop

(01:11:39):
on by and we love having you Bj. Because the
Knicks decided to blow things up again. I'm not a
big fan of that organization, but they hired Leon Rose,
who is a well respected community builder, very good relationship guy.
He worked at CIA, which represents me. I make a call,
They're like, good, dude, what do you make of the
trend to have agents run team's golden state, does it? Well, yeah,

(01:12:02):
I think it is. You know, it's a trend that's
going on now in the business. And it's real funny
because I can't I was one of the first to
come from the other side as an executive to the
agent side, and now you're seeing the agents go to
the other side. You know, I worked with Bob Meyers
there at Wasserman, I worked with Rob Polinka. Now aren't

(01:12:22):
tell them is there in Detroit. I think it's good.
I think it's good for the business. And what it
says about the business now is compared to yesteryear, is
the importance of people skills that you have to have
in the business. And most of these agents are dealing
with these problems behind the scenes, right The teams get
them for two hours or so, and then the other
twenty two hours, the agents are actually dealing with the problems.

(01:12:44):
And the most important thing that I kind of learned
when I came over to this side is, you know,
I get a chance to see these kids up close
in their homes, in their environments, and I think the
agents now have an advantage. They have an advantage that
they're actually seeing the players up firsthand, and I think
you know, with Leon and these people, they'll go there
and they'll do a good job. But I think Bob

(01:13:06):
Myers and being an agent like Rob Olinka, I think
it prepares you for the task at hand because it's
a different business and the players today, you know, it's
it's a different time, and I think having the people's
skills to deal with this day in and day out
is something that you kind of do every day as
an agent. If you were representing Andrew Wiggins, I like
the move from a losing culture in Minnesota to a

(01:13:27):
winning culture. Let's say you represent Andrew Wiggins and now
you have to sell him or do you on the
fact that you're going to be the third score on
many nights? What would it be like to represent Andrew Wiggins.
Do you think his agent called him and he was
he wanted to go from like a two to a
three in Golden State. Well, I think the formula for

(01:13:49):
the NBA and the formula for success will always be
the same since nineteen forty six from you know, when
the NBA started, and the formula is this star players.
Great players have to be great. That's that's that's a fact.
But then the role players have to play their role grade.
I think the trans the move from Minnesota to Golden

(01:14:11):
State for Andrew Riggins will be very important from this regard.
He will be now put in his right role. He
will be forced to be the third option. And when
he has those nights when he plays well and he
looks like the superstar athlete and the talent that he is,
that's a that's a bonus. But Steph Curry and Klay Thompson,
they are consistently will play the game at a high

(01:14:33):
level game in and game out, where Andrew Wiggins, now
we're not dependent on him to play at a superstar
level game in and game out, but when he does,
that will be an added bonus. So I think he
will be in his right role. I think he will
embrace that. And you know, look in this league, when
you say you're a superstar or you're put in that role,
you have to be an exceptional, exceptional talent for seventy

(01:14:57):
eight of eighty two games. Absolutely absolutely, so I think
he will be in his right role. I think he
will embrace that role, and I think will be a
great opportunity for him to be the player that he
always you know should have probably be he should have
been and when he first came in to the league.
He is a star athlete. He is a terrific talent,
not an Alpha, but he's not the guy that's going

(01:15:19):
to go in, night in and night out and go
and get you those seventy eight out of eighty two
games where he's going to play at that level. That's
just not his personality. Bj Armstrong an agent, a former
three rings with the Bulls, the best team, in my opinion,
in the history of basketball. Also an All Star and
a former Iowa Hawkeye. Gotta say, oh yes, the Hawkeyes,
hawk eyes and a big ten. Big ten's had a

(01:15:40):
very interesting year by the way in basketball. So Marcus Morris,
I always feel like the trading deadline. We wait for
the splash, yes, but it's really about fine tuning. Milwaukee
gets Marvin Williams, a three in D guy, makes him
even deeper. Now Marcus Morris goes to the Clippers. My
takeaway on this is now they got a fourth guy.
They throw a Lebron like. I think this is why

(01:16:04):
the Lakers wanted them, because they knew it. Because so
when I watched Marcus Morris go to the Clippers. All
I can think of is Lebron, Am I wrong on that? No,
You're You're absolutely right, And what they picked up as
a pro. This guy is a true professional. And when
you're playing in a seven game series, you don't want
to have time to figure out as a coach or
a staff if your guy is ready. Marcus Morris is

(01:16:26):
a professional and he doesn't have to play well on
the offensive end to make a contribution to winning. That's
what I love most about because they have scores, but
they have a team that's built Colin and I and
I've been saying this since day one. They're built around
two things. They're built around talent, and they're building around toughness.
They embody everything that Doc Rivers is as a player,
as a former player, and his he is as a coach.

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He wants tough people around him. He wants people that's
going to defend. He wants to be able to grind
the game out. And if you're going to win in
the playoffs, you want to have a very simple formula.
We're gonna we're going to go out and shut you
down on the defensive end, and they're going to attack
the game as if the game is always zero zero.
If we don't score and you don't score, we're still
in the game. And that's what I love most about

(01:17:08):
how this team has been constructed. They're constructed around we
can get defensive stops. And what I also like, it's
grown ups. Paul George Lou Williams. Yes, I got Kawhi Leonard,
I got Marcus Morris. This is a man's league, as
you know this. Yes, it is a man's league. And
it's these guys that have been a weight rooms in
the NBA for seven years and the NBA rafts swallow
their whistles in May and April. They do this and

(01:17:30):
guess what. The little the young college players get pushed
around and nobody calls it. This Clipper teams just got
another tough dude that can lock you up and push
you around. Now you run the sixers, You run the sixers, right.
I'm a Simmons guy because I think he gets the
ball to three shooters. Yes, and beads talented, little too
social media for me and injuries and they're not working.

(01:17:54):
What do you do? How long do you let this
puppy bake in Philadelphia? Because BJ I look at their
first seven they are massively underperforming. This thing is not working.
What do you do well? I think you can't push
the paddock there. Because they have what every team is
trying to get. They have talent. Joel Embiid is an
incredible talent. Now, the thing about Joey Embied, he's not

(01:18:17):
playing consistently at the level that we've all come to
expect from him. And that's kind of disappointing because Joel Embid,
without questions, should be a top five player in this league,
without questioning. And then you have Ben Simmons, who is
another very very talented player. He has size, he has
basketball IQ, he can do a lot of different things. Now,
the one thing that they have been missing is what

(01:18:39):
we call a distributor or a secondary ball handler that
gets them into play because you're going to need that
secondary player or that secondary guard to initiate offense and
do the things. They've really struggled with being able to
control the game from an offensive perspective, and that's been
their biggest downfall. Now they are big, they are athletic.

(01:19:00):
When the game slows down, I think this team will
play and perform what's better in the playoffs, but right now,
during the regular season, they struggle because they can't manage
the game. Time and score is of the essence. That's
why I've always said, you know, Ben Simmons is a
terrific player, but being able to manage the game when
there's time and score, especially during the regular season, it's

(01:19:20):
very difficult, and that's where they're missing. That's what they're
missing most, in my humble opinion. But because they are big,
they will have. They will have, you know, there will
be less possessions in the playoffs. I still think they'll
be okay once they get the playoff basketball. By the way,
Lakers good enough today. I didn't like the trade of
Kyle KUZMAI kept hearing about it. I said, listen, man,
this is an old roster. You gotta give me somebody

(01:19:41):
who gives me twenty six minutes tonight. Joey went to
a game last week. And Kyle does add some juice,
he adds some energy. He's a young kid. I don't
think he's a star, he's kind of I think it's
sometimes hard for a young player to play with Lebron.
I don't blame all of Kuzma's slight erosion this year
on him. Lebron demands a lot. But are the Lakers
as they're constituted this morning, good enough to win the title? Well, absolutely,

(01:20:05):
they're good enough to win. You look at their roster.
They have the best record in the league. So you
have to look at what they've done. You are who
you are, and the Lakers have proven that they are
a very good team and they're one of the top
let's just say, conservatively speaking, they're one of the top
four or five teams in the NBA to the top
four teams. Now once it gets to the playoff times,
we'll find out when you get to the second season

(01:20:27):
if they're good enough to win the last game of
the season. And I think that's what we're talking about
here with their team. But going back to Kyle Kuzma,
I think the Lakers were correct in keeping Kyle because
you have to invest into your future. Kyle Kuzma is
the one player that you can look at and say,
you know what he can be there beyond what we're
doing in the short term, which is going for championships.

(01:20:48):
They can move on and try to build something in
the future if they choose to do that as well. Yeah,
he and Anthony Davis are really that that is their
youth movement. Yes, right there, b J. Armstrong. Always great
to have you. Thank you so much. You're always welcome
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it's Valentine's Friday. I've got a very special Valentine's Friday.
Yeah plans. Well, I'm working, but then when I get home.
This year got a little ahead of it. You can't,
you know, listen, you gotta get you gotta get ahead
of this stuff. You can't just make it up on
Friday morning. Yeah, that's that usually ends badly. It always

(01:21:58):
ends badly. I did that a few years. Can't like
you can't Friday morning. I mean, it's not a date
that like you gotta put and miss. Everyone knows its
Valentine's Day. R. Valentine's Day like an anniversary. You know,
your seventh anniversary, guys based Cadet, But at Valentine's Day.
I don't understand how anyone like forgets their anniversary. That's
always been a weird thing. Really, yeah, I mean you

(01:22:21):
don't have to do much. You have to remember the birthday,
Valentine's Day and your annivers Oh yeah, we don't have
to do much to keep you guys happy. It's called living.
I mean, I didn't say that. I'm just saying it's
far like things you have to remember joy. You guys
are not always easy. We're never easy. We're not designed
to be easy. All right, I gotta move off this topic. This,

(01:22:42):
this has a sleeping on the couch quality to it.
This topic right here, I am not easy, So best
for last today it's uh, we had the oscars last
night and we thought about awards. We're at the halfway
point of the NBA season. We're going to hand out
our first half of the NBA season awards. I think
it's fun. I think you'll like it. But this needs
to be discussed. We had Tom her And on earlier today.
He was absolutely great on the Tom Brady thing. Listen

(01:23:04):
this stuff. Tom Brady's not happy, folks. The number one
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(01:23:24):
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Go to my computer career dot EEDU free career evaluation today.
Speaking of careers, this guy went from the NFL ten years,
Pro Bowlers, baball we ring to broadcasting. Pretty darn good.
Greg Jennings, how are you? I'm excellent? So let's XFL debut?
What do you think of it? Um? I liked what
I saw I did. There was a couple of things

(01:23:46):
that Number one the kickoff. I think as as a
former returner and return specialist, like that is huge for safety.
Now the rest of the game, I don't think they
care too much about the safety because some physical hits.
I'm like, man, oh yeah, but but having everyone wait
until the ball has been received by the returner and

(01:24:09):
then starting the blockers and the kickoff team, Yeah, that
was that was huge. That that's something that I could
see the NFL possibly taking on um And then some
of the other things, but that was the number one
thing that stood out to me. I mean, football is football. Well,
you know, it's interesting. Marquette King is obviously an NFL punter.

(01:24:31):
I mean, he's the one guy this weekend. I'm like, oh,
he's an NFL player play in XFL. There's obviously some
NFL guys. Eventually. I saw a wide receiver over the
weekend I thought was pretty talented. There will be the
occasional NFL guy in this league. But when you watched it,
I mean, obviously, offensive lines are not as good in
this league as the NFL. You could just see size.

(01:24:51):
Cornerback play is not as defined. But when you watched it,
did you see occasionally thinking he could work somewhere? Yeah,
And I think this is going to be a huge
play for a lot of guys who who feel like
they should be on a team, on a roster, but
don't have that opportunity or haven't been given an opportunity

(01:25:11):
to really have an opportunity to showcase their skill set
against other other talent in game scenarios, which I think
is beneficial. We've been seeing Dez Bryant posting images and
video and content on his platforms of route running and catching,
but if he did it out here, it would be

(01:25:34):
better received from general managers and ownership and execs. I
don't think doing it on your own against you know,
one of the fair yeah, it doesn't do you any justice.
So I think that we're definitely going to see some talent,
some guys that are gonna make some name for themselves
and potentially give themselves an opportunity that that kid right

(01:25:56):
there who caught the football for Seattle, a guy in
this elite who is a star receiver. You know you're
I'm sitting around and I'm green band. I'm like, okay,
I got Davante Adams, and then I got question marks
to me. I watched some of the skill players, and
I thought, I can see teams saying he'd be a
nice four. I mean, listen to carry six seven receivers.
There's there's a lot of that stuff. Is are you
coachable and are you healthy? By the end of a roster,

(01:26:18):
you know, Greg, you're a star, you're a first round guy.
You get to the bottom eight to twelve spots in
a roster, it's a lot of can you coach him?
And is he healthy? Yeah, And it's gonna be the
skill guys that are gonna get the opportunity. Let's let's
be honest. Yes, the offensive lineman probably aren't going to
get the benefit of the doubt of teams saying, oh, well,
they're going against great competition. But skill guys, you can

(01:26:40):
engage them on how they move, what they're able to
do with the ball in their hands, catchability, how how
they run their routes. You can kind of see them
and if they have a defender in front of them
or wherever they are on the football field, you can
make that assessment and say, you know what, let's try,
let's give them a shot and then and if you're right,

(01:27:01):
you're great. You probably get them for nothing. If you're wrong,
you just move on. He goes back and continues to play.
How relevant I said this about ten minutes ago. Listen,
Tom's successful, and I do feel there are times Tom's
felt a little bit about this. Okay, I keep taking
pay cuts, and I look around and I don't have

(01:27:22):
Baltimore's receivers and Kansas Cities. I don't have the Rams,
I don't have the Cowboys. I don't have And I
do think Tom sometimes looks around. I think Aaron Rodgers
felt this for years. On defense, He's like, look at
Tommy's defense, look at Flacco's defense. And I do think
there's a little bit with Tom Brady staying in New England.
You know, I could go to Dallas. You see there,
you see Amari Cooper and you see Zeke. There's a

(01:27:43):
little bit of that in there. Tommy, like you guys
have not You've taken advantage of me a little. I
sense a little of that with Brady. Is it enough
to make him leave? Yes? And no? And I lean
more on no. I lean more no because it's too
late for that. It's too late to say, oh, you're

(01:28:04):
gonna pay me top dollar now you're forty you'll be
forty three when the season starts. So he knows that
Tom Brady has been smart his entire career, which is
why we're talking about him as one of the all
time greatest athletes forget football player, but athletes, because he's
his ability to win and produce. It's because he's been

(01:28:26):
very strategic. He understood, well, if I take it all,
there won't be enough for me to formulate or construct
a team to where we can sustain success. He gets it.
And so now for him to now all of a
sudden think I'm not gonna take a pay cut or
I'm not I'm gonna take top dollar, that's just that's
not even smart. If he's if he in which I

(01:28:49):
believe he stays in New England and he understands, I
am not the guy that's going to make everybody better.
That's not me. But if you put a lot of
talent around me and you use what my skill sets provide,
which is my smarts, I've been there. I can get
us in and out and I can still make throws.
I may not make all the throws that I once did,

(01:29:10):
which we all will take that, and we all see that.
But he can provide and produce wins. We all see
that as well. With the same coaching staff, same coordinator,
same culture. Uh, winning is everything. I think that is
what's best suited for Tom Brady. Do they win without
him in New England? I think they continue to win?

(01:29:33):
I do. I think they continue to win. That culture
is set, like when you one player doesn't shift your
culture or change your culture. They may, they may, I
shouldn't say shifted. They may shift it a little bit,
but the culture is set in stone Bill Belichick games.
I'm not saying Jared Sentleman's twelve games, but they're they're in.

(01:29:55):
They're in the AFC Easton. It's soon enough. We're gonna
have to stop saying that because the teams in that
division are getting a lot better. But I still think
that they're a competitive team and that they can compete
and get into the playoffs. Can you without Tom Brady?
I don't so that. Okay, that's okay, you think they're
a playoff team without Tom? If think about it, if

(01:30:17):
if if you insert a quarterback who Teddy Bridgewater would
be my first choice? Really all right? If you insert
Teddy Well, I shouldn't say only choice. Jameis Winston. He's
a turnover machine. But if you if you insert guys
like that that have talent, that can get the ball
down the field, that can make throws. Yeah, he's also

(01:30:39):
thrown to Mike Evans, not Mohammedan. Very true, Very true. Again,
they still need skill guys, regardless who they bring in
or the quarterbacks. It's still gonna struggle, all right, Philip Rivers,
I think it's over, it's done. I don't, and I
don't mean this in a bad way. I think Philip
Rivers has has had a phenomenal career, argued some would

(01:31:00):
say Hall of Fame career. He hasn't had the wins
that a guy like Eli Manning has had, but he's
produced just uber stats statistically, and he's had a phenomenal
career for the Chargers. However, when you look at him,
where he is in his career, his age, and what
he does with the ball, he turns it over to

(01:31:22):
like at this age, at this stage in his career,
you have to do something well, Yeah, and the one
thing is you can't turn the ball over. There's like
three things you can't be and he's all three. You
can't be old, unathletic, and turnover prone. Very so, Brady
is old and mostly unathletic, but he's not turnover prone. No,
So I think Philip is the three things that the

(01:31:43):
league just doesn't allow. And then and by the way,
the league is changing like the NBA did with a
three point shot. It's changing a little bit stylistically. We
are seeing, you know, the best athletes now this has
happened the last twelve years in high school they play quarterback. Yes,
So the league is changing, the rules are changing for it.
So you know, sometimes sports moves towards you, and sometimes

(01:32:04):
it's an athlete it moves away. It's moving away from
Philip Rivers. And no team is going to pay I
shouldn't say no team, but no team really is gonna
pay Philip Rivers twenty plus million dollars to play quarterback
and say this is gonna be our starting guy. You
might bring them in as an advisor, backup guy, just

(01:32:24):
in case, the safety valve, just in case if somebody
goes down. Then you got a guy that you know
who's played in the experience. When did you know it
was over? Um when I made the decision. But was
there a route you couldn't run or there was never?
There wasn't a route like physically I could still run,
I could still play. It was just mentally, I didn't
want to do it anymore. The practice, it was, I

(01:32:47):
was away from my family, the grind of it all.
It just the situation losing in Miami. I was in Miami.
It plays a huge role in in those decisions. And
when you look at Philip Rivers, he's lost a lot. Yeah,
and to say, oh, yeah, you can go to a
team that can win. In the back of his mind

(01:33:09):
he felt like he was always on a team that
could win. So you for so many years you were
in Green Bay and you look up at the scoreboard
and it's four in the afternoon and you led twenty
eight to fourteen. What time did you look up at
the scoreboard in Miami and your last year and just
say the hell am I doing? At some point you
stopped looking at this. I'm being honest. I'm being honest.

(01:33:31):
You don't even look at the scoreboard. You just you
start watching to see kind of body language and our
guys really given their all? Are they shutting it down? Oh?
You felt that like that? Those are the things you
start looking at when you're when you're in a losing culture. Yeah,
good seeing you. You're hosting all week Gregor's co hosting

(01:33:52):
Undisputed with Chris Brussard, Parker and McIntyre. Boy, that's some crew,
fun crew. Let guys keep your eye on Parker. He'll
just take could exit off the freeway of common sense
and you'll just be in. It'd be crazy town. You
gotta watch out for him. I could see anybody enjoy
with the news. No, no, this is the herd line news.

(01:34:15):
So Andrea Goudala was traded to the Heat before the
deadline last week, and he is very happy about where
he ended up. He said, I kind of got excited
about basketball again. Playing with the Warriors. We've got to
the finals every year and the media scrutiny behind every
single move. You get exhausted. You've had a good break,
But then you kind of see where's the game, where
the game's trending, and it's like, where do I fit in?
And it's kind of a blessing in disguise. This is

(01:34:36):
the perfect spot. I'm going to do a lot of
different things. He made his Sunday night debut in the
loss to the Blazers, had two point six three pounds.
Was this last night? Yes, I didn't get I did
not see this game last night. I did not see
the CEO's on the plane, but I will say I
love this move for the heat. I know you do.
It's very expensive, lord, I mean, listen, you got to

(01:34:59):
spend money. And they did clear some space with the
trade as well, so that's that's fine. He's he's not
going to get you twenty points at night, but they
don't need that. They have a lot of young players
that are shooters. They can do that. Then they have
a variety of guys that can do that through throughout
the season, so it's not like you really need to
rely on one game. You know what you're gonna get
from Jimmy Butler every night. So you have Tyler Hero,

(01:35:19):
You've Duncan Robinson like they have. They have a lot
of young pieces. I'm really excited about to Heat this year.
I think they make it to the Eastern Conference finals.
Fifteen million a year, be all right. Riley's very smart.
He knows how to make moves. Take care of the
salary Capit'll be all right. There's a lot of money.
So the Warriors made one of the bigger trade deadline

(01:35:39):
moves last week, sending Dangelo Russell to the Timberwolves for
Andrew Wiggins. We both liked it. I do like this move,
but I saw something interesting out there this morning. Who
maybe there's a bigger target in mind. Maybe there's a little,
a little something else going on behind this move. Because
Jannis's contract with the Bucks expires after the twenty twenty
one season, and he said that the performance of the

(01:36:01):
team will greatly determine whether he stays or goes. So Wiggins,
along with a handful of lottery picks, could be a
good trade offer should the Bucks face the reality that
they say the Pelicans did when Anthony Davis Clary wasn't
gonna stay long. So here's the one thing if I'm
a Bucks fan that worries me, and I can't explain it.
The Raptors of one fifteen straight. If I don't know

(01:36:21):
how they're doing it. If the Raptors beat the Bucks
in the Eastern Conference Finals, that's where I think Jannis thinks, okay,
I need and by the way, and Chris Middleton doesn't
have a great series, that's when you think if Yannis, okay,
I got to get to a two, the key in
this joy could be Chris Middleton in a playoff series.
What if Chris doesn't play well in the Eastern Conference Finals,

(01:36:43):
they lose and I can go get stay at Stephan
Clay as my two. Well, yeah, so we've had Yannis
on the show before he said he's saying he's he's
gonna stay, he wants to stay. That was a while ago.
Things change, and as we know, we are very screw
like we have a lot of Throughny in the media.
Fans are very demanding you have to win championships. You're
not really that guy, Like it's how we judge legacies

(01:37:05):
in all of sports. I mean, look, look what's just
happened with Andy Reid, Like it's very important to win
a championship, and especially in your prime. Now the Supermax
deal doesn't really it's not doesn't mean that much to
guys anymore. I mean, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis left. No,
I you sound crazy. You're Yannis and you're the best
player now because Kawhi and Lebron left the East right,

(01:37:28):
and I know, I'm great and I'm gonna win MVP,
and Chris Middleton struggles against the Raptors and has a
couple of bad games and we lose the series and
I'm great. That's when a guy like Jannis goes, Okay,
my number two can be staff, my number three can
be Clay. That it's not on Yannis. Yannis has said
I want to stay. But Yannis, all these stars, you

(01:37:51):
know it's he's saying. I will say, they want to
drive to the arena and know they're the man. They
don't want to be the only man, right And he
said the performances team matters. But I agree with you.
I mean, and he's in no position now to say, oh,
I want to leave, Like of course he's going to say.
He wants to say right now, as he should, but
a lot can change. And I agree with you. They
don't win if you're a Warrior, if you're Steve Kerr

(01:38:12):
and Bob Meyer, you are pulling for Toronto or I
don't think Miami can beat him, but a Toronto to
beat Milwaukee because that's the only way you're getting it.
I actually think. I mean, look, I love Toronto. Toronto
is a great regular season team, but they've been that
way for a long time. They're very well run organization.
We know that, so it's entirely possible though too, and

(01:38:33):
the heat as well. They play a lot of defense.
I still think that Jannis is the superstar. So it's
it's on them, like the pressure is on Milwaukee in
the East this year no matter what, Like they have
Jannis and they're the best team. Pressure on Chris Middle
don't disappear like last year. Oh yeah, but I mean
we're gonna look at Jannis though, Like even if it's
not on Yannis, fin it's on the Bucks. We'll put
it that way. So finally, the XFL made a flash
in this first weekend. The second highest rated sporting events

(01:38:56):
were XFL game. The two I'm sorry not seconds two
highest rated sporting events were XFL games, and fans at
home got a unique viewing experience. It had live audio
from the coaches and the sidelines and referees as they
were discussing penalties. You had interviews from players right after
they came off the field. I loved that part. Yeah,
a lot of energy. And the league also experimented with
new point um the new rules for the point after

(01:39:19):
and two teams chose between one, two or three point
conversions instead of a kick Cardel Jones, by the way,
played in the NFL. There's there's NFL guy, the perimeter players.
You've got some NFL players. I thought that the product
looked great, being that it was on the networks. You
had great camera views like this, it looked professional. I
didn't think that it was. It looked like minor league football,

(01:39:43):
and it looked like regular football. We're going to see
who the stars are. Guys will emerge. But I thought
it was a great opening weekend. We were watching it
and my brothers, all of us is sitting around watching XFL.
When I got on the plane, every other TV was
on XFL. Yeah it was. It was Oscar presch Uh
Red Carpet Show or XFL. Every other TV. Really, Yeah,
because I like to see, like what other I mean,

(01:40:05):
I'm sure I'm nothing. I want to see what other
people are watching when something like that is on, and
how every other TV was was on next time? How
about that? I mean why not? I watched an hour
both days and I thought, and my takeaway was the
skill players. The old lines aren't as good, but the
league like like Cardel Jones he started, he's played NFL
games and like this, the wide receivers to me and

(01:40:26):
the backs, You're like, these guys could be on Ross.
I'll be honest, I'm I'm rooting for the XFL. First
of all, any anything, any new league that provides jobs
and opportunities for guys and more stuff for us to
watch and talk about. I'm rooting for No. Obviously, there's
some factors that play into this, but this is not
a short term play. There's a lot of money and
a lot of investment behind this. It's a it's a

(01:40:46):
long term play. There's nothing that you should take away
too dramatically from the opening weekends. I do think as
Lue season goes on, we'll see how the viewership goes.
But again, it's it doesn't matter this this particular year
is not going to be what determines the future of
the XFL. I'm rooting for the XFL. I'm gonna watch regardless.
But I thought it was a great opening weekend and
it looks great. Also, Yeah, Dallas isn't as good as

(01:41:08):
everybody predicted. By the way I watched them, They're not
very good. They got they got their offense. It needs
to grow a little bit. Joy with the news. Well
that's the news, and thanks for stopping violent. The herd line.
Halfway through the NBA season trading deadline is over. The
Bucks and the Clippers very good teams got a little
better and should be favored to make the NBA title.

(01:41:30):
We give out an ode of the Oscars are NBA
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were last night, Chris, I didn't watch it. I was
watching stuff with my wife. You know, I'm a sportscaster

(01:42:12):
and stuff. I did predict Parasite would win. That's the
best movie I saw this year Irishman's Long. But it
was the second best movie I saw this year. My
friend told me yesterday I should watch is it Jojo
Rabbit is supposed to be fascinating, fascinating story. So I
Parasite was the best. But we thought in honor of
the Oscars. Here, you know, thirty minutes from where we sit.

(01:42:32):
It's the NBA half way point, and so we do
joy our NBA Midseason Awards. Here we go, all right.
The first award is Best Player in a Supporting Role,
and the nominees are Anthony Davis, Paul George, Chris Middleton,
and Russell Westbrook. Very tough decision. How about Anthony Davis. Okay,

(01:42:55):
the Lakers have the best record in the West. They're
shooting for the record, and this is an Anthony Davis number.
They're shooting a league high forty nine percent. That's that's
a really good field goal percentage. He leads the Lakers
in points a game, he leads them in rebounds and blocks.
And I don't think there's any question if you're gonna
beat those uh, you're gonna beat those Utah, Jazz, Denver, Milwaukee,

(01:43:18):
some of these teams with size, you need an offensive
weapon down loan. He's provided that. He's our best supporting role.
Best International Player nominees are Jannis Luca, Dante's, Rudy Gobert,
Nicola Man. We got some great players. How about that.
Rudy Gobert's most underrated guy in the league. I'm gonna
give it to Jannis though here's a staff it'll blow

(01:43:39):
you away. He has fourteen games where he has scored
thirty points and has fifteen rebounds. The next closest in
the NBA is three. He's the best defensive player. He
plays hard every night. The question really with him, and
I think they should be favored to get to the
finals in the East. The question is long term, can

(01:44:03):
the Bucks surround him? They got the coach, can they
surround him with a number two and three player that
can elevate them to titles because they are going to
dominate the East as long as he's there. Achievement in wardrobe,
the nominees are James Harden, Kyle Kuzma, Russell Westbrook and
the Houston Rockets. Kuzma is even changed his hair this year. Yeah, Kuzma.

(01:44:28):
Kuzma has had some looks this year. He's much strong.
I don't feel like we got into a lot of
variety here, so I think I feel like we have
we only have one choice. Let's go to Rockets here.
The Rockets have between PJ. Tucker and Hardened, and they
have their own red carpet which I think is actually hysterical.
The Houston Rockets debuted this is actually funny. I love it.
I think it's actually brilliant. So you walk into the

(01:44:50):
arena and they have a little red carpet every night.
You gotta be honest, that's funny. It's funny, but it's
also necessary, like people really do pay it tention to
what guys are wearing. It's it's it's built over to
the NFL now, it's it's a thing in the NFL
as well. You get so much free viral recognition for
a frank, if I'm an owner of a team, I
want my team on social media all day. Yeah, and

(01:45:12):
I think p J. Tucker probably has the biggest sneaker
collection of anyone in all of sports. So best score
off of field goal. The nominees are Carmelo Anthony game
winner versus Toronto, bogdanov and Bogdanovitch game winner versus Houston,
Lebron James dunk against the Kings, and Yokich's game winner

(01:45:33):
against Minnesota. Recency bias, Let's go to Bogdanovitch. Last night,
Houston beats Trails late in the game. Here's the shot here.
It is my Lord on the Rudo down to on
the road. That's the shot of the year. By the way,

(01:45:53):
these two teams could play in the playoffs. Look at
that is that she took him a second to realize
what just happened. Look at that, Look at the look
at the reaction by the Rockets. That's a tough one
because Houston's possible shot and you couldn't have defended it better. Oh,
shot of the Year. In the end, he's pretty good,
all right. Best New Artists. The nominees are r J.

(01:46:15):
Barrett Tyler, Hero, John Morant, Zion Williamson. Let's not waste
any time. This is John Morant. First of all, he's
going Rookie of the Year. He is magnetic, he's dynamic,
he's electrifying. Um He's just a great player, he really is.
He can shoot, he can lead, he can jump. He
is fun. I am so happy that he's having the

(01:46:37):
season he's having because I don't think that people really
paid enough attention to how great he was because they
got out of the tournament early. But he's he's so
fun to watch. Here's the most important thing. Memphis is
in the playoffs today. Memphis makes the playoffs today, that's
more important than any of this stuff. He's just exciting,
all right. Worst team mixing. The nominees are Brooklyn Nets, Rockets, Philadelphia,

(01:47:01):
Philadelphia seventy Sixers or the Trailblazers. This is a tough one.
It was really split. We're gonna go Rockets, who are
shooting forty five percent from the field, which is twenty second.
I know I should say Philadelphia nub By for the Sixers.
I still think the Sixers in the East can figure
it out. This thing doesn't work right now. They're not

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good in one possession games. They're two stars, are friends,
but not effective on the same court at the same time.
And now they have no size at least Philadelphia, for
its issues, has size. Best Director the nominees are Mike Budenholzer,
Nick Nurse, Eric Spoelstra or Frank Vogel. A tough category close,

(01:47:48):
but I'm gonna give it to Nick Nurse because they've
won what fourteen straight games? Okay, they lost Kawain Leonard
and they have a longer winning streak. And by the way,
the East is better this year, so the East is better.
They lose Kawai. Now Fred van Vleet's having a really
really good year, so I comes even a better player.
But they've got six different guys averaging ten points a game.

(01:48:12):
That is about coaching, that is making guys in that
locker room believe the whole is better than the individual.
It's not easy to do off a championship. They have
a good culture bias. I would say Eric spoelstrap, but
I did say Frank Vogel has done a phenomenal job
off we thought we thought was a setup to get
Jason Kidd in there. He's really done an amazing job.

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All right. Best player in a starring role. The nominees
are Janis, James, Harden, Lebron James, or Kawhi. Leonard comes
down to Yannis and Kawhi. But Yannis plays more regularly
and I think is more important for his franchise. And
that's weird because I listen the Clippers with Paul George only.

(01:48:55):
I still think could get to the Western Conference finals.
I really do. I don't think they could win the
West or win the title. But I think if you
look at janis best record in the NBA, do you
know this team is averaging one hundred twenty a night. Listen,
you can say what you want about the NBA defense
one hundred twenty a night. That's like the Phoenix Suns
with a Steve Nash. You just can't have any bad nights.

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You can't have off nights and average one hundred and
twenty a night. All right, our final category best Picture.
The nominees are Luca ripping his jersey, Lebron's windmill dunk
against Houston, Kawai's monster dunk against Boston, or John Morants
behind the back pass. This is perhaps the easiest one,

(01:49:39):
Lebron James. It has twenty six million views. Yeah, that's
that's one of the greatest NBA pictures ever. Take. I
swear to god, we could do a segment tomorrow on
the ten best Let's see best the last you know, seriously,
the ten most iconic sports pictures of all time. This
happened to the day nineteen years ago that Kobe Bryant

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had a similar dunk, which just adds a completely different
layer to this. There's a Muhammad Ali picture with over
sunny lists yes, in the fight in Miami. There's the
y a tittle, the old football player that has blood
coming down. I'm just trying to think of iconic things
there's Drew Brees with his is it son after the
Super Bowl and the confetti coming down. I'm just trying

(01:50:27):
to think off the top of my head sports pictures.
The fact that this is nineteen years to the day
of Kobe Bryant doing the same dunk is just adds
a completely different dimension to it. It's just wild. Look
at that picture and the dunk was incredible and his
seventeenth season, God, that is an incredible it is It's
it's a magnificent picture. It's art. That's art. I mean,

(01:50:50):
obviously the Jordan from from Wayne look right above Lebron's
head NBA. Is that like them? They love that? Yeah?
Call me crazy on this. What if that's the new logo? Well,
everyone wants Kobe to be the new logo. That's not
going to happen, but I do we should do that
for best for last Tomorrow, Let's know who's on my
show tomorrow, our show. The Princess Charlotte Flair. Oh my god,

(01:51:15):
yeah you did it, so it's finally happening, Charlotte Flair.
That's so exciting. Best Twitter account in the universe, The Princess,
the Queen Charlotte Flair. Tomorrow

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