March 16, 2023 • 40 mins
The Packers have some leverage over the Jets
The Ravens need to keep Lamar Jackson
Patriots are acting like Tom Brady is still on the team
Guest: Albert Breer
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The big games, the good games, the fascinating games. Wherever
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making us part of your day. Albert Breyer's about three
minutes away. I started the show today and I'll say
it again. I thought it was fascinating. Jay McK and
I are married, have kids. Jordan Peterson's a popular Canadian,
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very very popular, massive YouTube channel. He's a psychologist in
Canada and author. Kind of a right a very right
leaning anti climate change guy. I read one of his books.
It's an interesting guy. I don't agree. I don't have to,
you know, I don't have to agree with all you
believe to read your stuff. I don't agree with Joe
Rogan all the time I listened to a podcast. I
don't agree with Jordan Peterson. I've listened to Ben Shapiro.
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I've heard of Bill Maher. I don't know always agree
with him. John Stewart, I don't have to agree with
you to consume you. I've read and What Say and
Coulter's books. I watched Bill Maher show. I love John Stewart,
I love John Oliver. I've listened to Jordan Peterson, and
his theory is you truly become an adult when you
love somebody more than yourself. Because when you're young, I
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can experience this. I was the center of my world.
And you know, Bill Simmons and I talked about this
with when you get old, rich, no kids, never married,
You live on that phone. You live in a world
thinking everything affects you, and everybody's thinking about you. And
so I said Aaron Rodgers, rich, good looking, Hollywood cool,
all this mega rich, smart guy said he was surprised
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when he came out of the retreat, and green Bay said,
hit the road. And I'm like, how can you be
surprised as an adult? If you told the packers you
were ninety percent into retiring, if I told my wife
or Fox Sports, I'm ninety percent into retiring. I may
give you an answer after my retreat. How in God's
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name could I be surprised when I came out of
the retreat if my wife said hit the road, pal
or Fox said we'll see you. The only surprise is
Aaron's surprised by it. How Because he doesn't have to
answer to anybody or empathize in his world, he can't
believe it. If you got people that call you on
your you know what, a wife, your kids, real friends
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who call you on your crap, there's no way you
could be surprised. Green Bay's like hit the road, retired
of sitting there and waiting for you to make a decision.
I'm shocked. And these were his words, his words eron
ninety percent into retirement and ninety percent and his words
ninety percent into retirement before the retreat, and surprise when
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I came out, How in God's name can you be
because there's this is somebody And I said, Aaron wants
you to think he's the smartest guy in the room.
And I do think he's very bright, But is he
an adult? Because when you're an adult, you're not the
most important person in your life. And that's Jordan Peterson's
theory on it, which I subscribe to, which is, once
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you have kids, you jump in front of a moving
car for a kid. I love my friends. I'm not
doing that, and you do that instinctively because you're not
the most important person in your life. I'm not doing this.
You do the exact same thing as a parent, You
jump in front of a car. You wouldn't do it
before you're married, before, but you do that once you
are not the most important person in your life, which
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I am gladly not. So that's one of Jordan Peterson's
theories and I do subscribe to. That doesn't make it right.
There's other ways to become an adult, but I think
it's much harder to do it when you're living in
your own galaxy, rich, handsome people move. The path opens
up everywhere you go. I'm surprised that Aaron's surprised. That's
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my take. I'm shocked that Aaron came out of that
and went, I can't believe you're tired of this crap.
My wife would have called me out if I told
Fox for eight weeks, I don't have an answer yet.
Ann would be like, give him an answer, schmuck, what
are you doing. They're gonna boot you to the curb.
Because I have somebody that calls me out in my life.
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My kids would be like, Dad, grow up, give him
an answer. But you know so, it's not the only
way to be an adult, but it does speed it
up once you have somebody calling you on your crap.
The fact that Aaron's surprised is to me bizarre. You're
living in just a tiny little tunnel. If you're surprised,
people said, hit the road. So I've been saying this
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now for a year. I'd pull I'd ripped the band
aid off. I don't like to be manipulated. You don't
have to like me. I don't care if I'm not.
I'm not liked by half my audience. You don't have
to like me, But don't manipulate me. If you don't
like me, fire me. If you don't like me, get
rid of me. If you don't like me, don't let
me come to the party. Don't manipulate me. That's what
I feel. Aaron's done green Bay. There's just manipulation going on,
using his leverage in every turn. So now green Bay
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is holding off this trade because they can manipulate him.
And with that we bring in Albert Brearer, So let's
talk about that. Albert. The option bonus you discussed yesterday.
So from what I didn't know this, give our audience
an update on it appears Green Bay's got all the
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leverage here. Yeah, it was. It was smart of the
packers to build the option bonus in the way they did.
Most of most bonuses that are this way have a
hard deadline, so it'll be March fifteenth or April first,
or in the case of Derek cart was in the
middle of February. That forces the team to make a decision. Well,
the way the Packers built the option bonus into this contract,
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they have to exercise it. It's fully guaranteed the money
is going to get to Taron Rodgers one way or
the other. But they don't have to exercise it until
September first, and it doesn't have to be paid until
a week after that. Part of it's paid a week
after that part of it's paid Supt. Number thirtieth, So
that gives them the flexibility. It's just sort of squat
on Aaron Rodgers rights and they don't have to act
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with any urgency here. And meanwhile, you know, on the
other side of the table, you've got the Jets, who
you know, now Aaron Rodgers has declared I want to
be in New York. Jet. There's a ton of pressure
on them to get him there, especially with guys like
Alan Lazard signing. Maybe Randall Cobb comes with them. So
there's pressure on the Jets to get this done, and
there's no pressure on the Packers to do it. At
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this point. I still think like when the dust settles
and when the Packers dig out from the comments that
Rodgers made yesterday, the cooler heads are going to prevail
and there's a fair deal to be done here, maybe
a second rounder this year and a conditional pick or
two down the road based on how he plays, whether
or not he plays in twenty twenty four. But as
it stands right now, the Packers can sit back, you know,
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sort of lean back in their office chairs, you know,
seeing what Aaron said yesterday and smirk and say to
the Jets, you got to come to us now. Wow,
Lamar Jackson situations interesting to me. I had a discussion
yesterday with somebody close to that organization. I said, I
don't understand what the Atlanta Falcons. They have an offensive
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coach who would be better equipped to handle a unique quarterback.
The division can't be this awful forever. So there's a
moment in time now to seize the division because Derek
Carr could win it. But we don't know if Dennis
alcan coach. He bombed with the Raiders. He's been bad
so far with the Saints. He may not have the
right coach. The division's week. It would be Lamar in
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Atlanta would be a merchandise home run. He's a newsmaking machine.
And I'm like, Arthur Blank's a good owner. How long
do you want to be bad? The quarterback hit rates
fifty percent on first round quarterbacks. That's first rounders. Yeah,
does Atlanta Washington isn't today? The window opens for Lamar
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to contact other teams? Does Atlanta feel obvious to you?
Is there anybody else out there? Paper does? M Paper does.
But here's here's what you want to look at, Colin.
Look at the quarterback contracts done last year. Vegas did one,
Denver did one, Cleveland did one, Green Bay did one,
Arizona did one. Which of those teams came out of
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those deals? Happy like a year later, like which of
those teams is looking at that and saying, Wow, we
eat a home run here. And I think that there's
something happening in the league right now that people aren't
paying a lot of attention to. And it's a pushback
on the idea of going and paying top dollar to
get good but not great at that position. And you know,
I think what you've seen in Tampa with Kyle Trask
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and now Baker Mayfield, in Washington with Sam Howell and
now Jacoby Brissette, and in Atlanta with Desmond Ritter and
now Taylor Heineke is we're going to be economical at
the position, and we are not going to go and
pay top dollar for Derek Carr or Daniel Jones. We're
gonna we feel like we're good enough where we're gonna
be able to tread water with less than that less
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of us spend at that position, and we're gonna spend
the money we save everywhere else, and we're gonna wait
until there's a quarterback we're all in on before we
make that big splash. And you know, I think in
a lot of ways, like Kansas City drew a roadmap
for people and looking to do this right, which is
they had Alex Smith for four years. He was good,
a good quarterback. It bought them time to get to
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Patrick Mahomes, and they were patient, patient, patient, and waited
until there was a guy there that they were ready
to go all in on. And they were all in
on Patrick Mahomes, they go and get him at all
works out. I think this is sort of Atlanta in
Washington and Tampa saying we're not sure there's a guy
out there right now that we're one hundred percent in on.
Maybe we'd be seventy percent on Lamar Jackson, maybe we'd
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be eighty percent on Lamar Jackson. But the contract, the injuries,
all of it, the two first round picks going out
the door, we're not one hundred percent. So we're gonna
sit tight. We're gonna stay loose at that position. We're
gonna be economical at that position. We're gonna build the
rest of our team, and we're gonna wait for the
right opportunity to come along. Now, the risk there is
you could wind up waiting for too long get yourself hired, right.
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But I think that's sort of the approach that we're
seeing teams start to take now and looking at some
of the big quarterback deals that have been done over
the last couple of years, and how at least a
couple of them have blown up in team's face. So
I talked to somebody, an executive in the league yesterday,
and they made note of how smart Kansas City was.
They said, this is a great example. The Patriots used
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to do this, and now they're getting worked that. Juju
Smith Schuster was wildly talented but distracted in Pittsburgh and
the chief said, come here for a year. We're not
gonna pay anything. We're gonna give you. Seventy percent of
your contract is going to be bonuses and incentives. It
made Juju work hard and hit some of those the
minute he did. See you later and the Suckers come
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in and give him a long term contract. So the Steelers,
who've always been willing to deal with drama and personalities,
bailed on him. The Chiefs, after one year and a
good Super Bowl, bailed on him. And this Patriots let
go of undrafted, workaholic, productive Jacoby Myers, not a TikTok guy,
not a brand guy, and they go sign Juju for
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three years. And I thought Patriot fans made fun of
teams that did that years ago, that got that, that
did that. I cannot believe they let Jacoby go. Brought
in juju to me, that is not the Patriot way.
Your thoughts, Yeah, you know, I think it's trying to
find a bargain. Is the problem there, you know, Like
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is that we don't want to pay twenty five million
dollars a year for a J. Brown, So like, let's
pay less for someone who's a fraction of that that
we think we can coach up and make better. And
I think they sort of fall fell into that trap
with Johnny Smith a couple of years ago too. He's
the perfect example, right, Like, this is what they used
to do. They used to get the most out of
a player's first four years in the league. They realized
part of it was their system and what they were
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doing with him. They let him go, he'd go get
paid somewhere else, he'd get cut after a couple of years,
and then he would come back, Like Patrick Chung was
the greatest example of that. He was pretty good in
his first four years in New England, went to Philly
for a year, didn't work out, got cut, he comes
back on a more economical deal and he winds up
being a bedrock for some Super Bowl teams in New England.
The reverse happened with John NUW Smith. John nuy Smith
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was really good under Arthur Smith in Tennessee, right he
was his position coach, that he was his coordinator. Arthur
Smith knew how to get everything out of John NW Smith. JOHNA.
Smith goes somewhere else. It doesn't work the same way.
And what does New England do after two years? They've
got to trade his contract away for nothing? And where
does John NUW Smith go to Atlanta? Who's in Atlanta?
Arthur Smith? So, you know, I think that there's that
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part of it where they're looking for bargains, they're looking
for good deals, and they're unwilling to swing at the
top of the market because they've never done that, because
they never had to do that because they were either
getting discounts on players who wanted to play with Brady
or they were bringing in lesser players who Brady could
lift up. That's what Kansas City is doing now. And
I think that that's sort of where the disconnect is
with New England is I think they're still operating like
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Tom Brady's on the team when he's not there anymore. Yeah. Finally,
I'll circle back to my Jordan Peterson rant. The only
thing I took away from Aaron yesterday that I was
surprised by is that he was surprised after leaning ninety
percent retirement going into his you know thing he did
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in Oregon. My takeaway for that hour he talked was,
how in God's name can you be surprised You've been
stringing these guys along for nine weeks. They're tired of
your crap. So my takeaway and that whole thing was, Aaron, dude,
you got to be less deluded. You gotta be you
gotta be less self centered. You cannot be surprised. That
shocked me. What do you make of that? That may
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assert whether Jordan Peterson's right. He's a psychologist, a PhD.
In his theory is to be an adult, you can't
be the most important person in your life. Regardless of that,
I'm taken back that Aaron would be surprised by the
packers moving on him. Well, first of all, like the
minute we get off here, I'm gonna google this Jordan
Peterson things. I think it's interesting. I like my takeaway
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was like, Okay, so you're only coming back for revenge,
you know what I mean. Like that's sort of what
like I took away from it was if you were
ninety percent out, yeah, and then all of a sudden
you're back all in, Well, it's the only reason you're
coming back now for revenge. And like, look like some
of the questions with great with the Packers over the
last year, questions of how engaged Aaron Rodgers was right, Like,
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they really would have liked to have had him there
in April and May and June last year, and they
felt like part of the reason why Christian Watson and
Romeo Dobbs came along later in the year rather than
earlier in the year was because they hadn't had those
reps with Aaron Rodgers during OTA's and Mini camps and
all that other stuff. So, like my question is going
to be going forward, what level of engagement or the
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Jets getting from Aaron Rodgers? And if revenge is a motivator,
does that level of engagement maintain over time? Right, have
him there for two years? Is he going to be
fully engaged for the full two years? Because you remember Brady, right, Colin,
Like what Brady did that first year in Tampa that
was in the middle of COVID. He was like breaking
all the rules to get work in with those guys.
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You remember the helicopters over that high school in Tampa,
Jesuit High School. Like you remember how he like like
walked into somebody's house. He thought it was like Byron
Leftwich's house right right, like because he was trying to
because he was doing everything that he possibly could to
get up to speed with his teammates, learn his new
environment and build something. And so like that's gonna be
what's gonna be really interesting to me going forward whenever
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they work out the deal. Is Aaron Rodgers going back
to the level of engagement from ten years ago? Are
we seeing like Aaron Rodgers fully engaged and his revenge
enough of a motivator to get him there? Like, I
think that that's going to be a really interesting, you know,
question to ask over the next few weeks. Is he
gonna be at OTAs, Is he gonna be at Mini camp?
Because if we get to fully engaged Aaron Rodgers, look
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out right, if we don't, we're talking about something else.
Good stuff. Albert Bard, good seeing you buddy as Oh,
it's nice stuff. All right, thanks calling that that is
what you Before our show started today, jaymaca Jets fan,
said that to me. He goes, boy, Aaron's going to
be ticked off. And I do think revenge is a
powerful jet fuel. I think it's a very power and
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I do think it works. I don't think it's a
joyful way to live, but I do think it works.
I think Brady had a lot of that chip on
his shoulder revenge for teams that have passed on him.
So I do think Kobe Bryant, a lot of great athletes,
Michael Jordan have used that revenge thing. I think revenge
is very powerful. I don't think it's healthy, but I
do think it's powerful. Is that you'd land one hundred percent.
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I mean, listen, even on a small scale myself, Like
people didn't, Oh, you can't do radio, Jason. You're a
website guy, you're a writer, you're a reporter. So I'll
prove you wrong. Right, Jason, You're not till you're moving
later to TV. I can handle it. I got this.
I love sports. Aaron Rodgers was told, Hey, you're maybe
going to be the number one pick craters to the
number twenty pick sits in the green room forever, and
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then when multiple MVPs, when's the Super Bowl, and now
the packers are like dusting him, We're done with you, goodbye.
You don't think he's going to be highly motive. I
would not be shocked if he was working in the offseason,
like Beer said, with Garrett Wilson, showing up doing the stuff,
putting in the reps that matter. And well, anytime somebody
kicks you to the curb, it motivates you. Yeah, you
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get dumped by your girlfriend, what are you? You're going
out immediately and trying to rebound Ryan. So I think,
I think, I think. I hope Aaron is fueled to
be more committed because I think he's great. Listen, I
work at Fox us losing Aaron Rodgers. All the good
quarterbacks are in the AFC. No, I mean dead serious.
I work at Fox. It does it's not good for
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our company to have the best quarterbacks. Jalen hurts. We
got a bunch of Brock Purties and Geno Smith. Your
guy Jared Goff is still in the NFC. The point
being the top six. If Aaron goes over the top
seven eight quarterbacks in the league arguably are all in
the CBS. His deal. Now, the way it works these days,
we'll get some of those games because at the end
of our when we had better teams, we had to
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give up some of our games. The NFL steps in
and does that. But the point being is Aaron is
good for Fox, it's good for the NFC, it's good
to the league. It's yeah. So I want to inspired Aaron.
People think I'm unfair to Aaron. I am the single
most fair person in the world. On Aaron, which is
I called him out seven eight years ago and he
came on my show after he won the Super Bowl.
He came on that the next day, the Monday, and
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took a shot at me, and it was kind of funny.
He goes, Oh, I mean, now you believe I said
from the very beginning, super talented, arrogant, don't like his
body language, said from the very beginning. But I also said,
I like him much more than Brett Farve. I think
he's a much smarter guy. He's a thinking man's quarterback.
I think he's a little bit of an artist, the
jazz musician. I've defended Kyler Murray I'll defend not everybody
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does it the same way. Not everybody's Brady, not everybody's Lebron.
They sit in the gym and work. Some guys these
are artists. We have musical artists, we have we have painters,
we have Steven Spielberg, and some of our great athletes
are artists. They have their own golf swing, their own
way to see the world. And artists stumble in their journey.
John Morant stumbles. So I am for Aaron meditating, doing
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whatever he has to do. I am totally for that.
But I'm gonna call him on his crap when he
says I'm ninety percent into retirement, going into the retreat,
and then I'm surprised when I came out that Green
Bay said, brute, we're moving on. Aaron, grow up. You
got to have people around you in your life. Somebody
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had to say, Aaron, dude, you can't keep it's nine weeks.
Somebody in your life be it a And that's why
I think having relationships children it does make you go.
Do you think Jah Morant would be in this trouble
if you had four kids and he's married, not going
out of the clothes and doing that crap, you know,
And I know when I told us accountable constantly. I
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know yesterday I was poo pooing the idea of Rogers.
I was very skewing negative, shall we say, start to
warm up to the idea. Overnight, cups of people pointed out,
heja enjoy the primetime games with Rogers, not just being
relegated to Thursday night football. Only you can be getting
Sunday night. Jets haven't been on Sunday night football forever.
You're gonna get Monday night like. Jets are gonna be
all over television. And it's great for the league, the
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New York market. Yeah, but Rogers, but is that good
for the team. The Giants complain for years when they
had Eli Manning that how come you keep putting us
on Sunday night games? It screws up our clock, It
screws up our weekly schedule. So the television. By the way,
New England vetched about this for years. New England's like,
you're putting that's why the NFL has a rule you
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can only be on TV so much. Yeah, I mean
teams don't want to play on Thursday, they don't want
to play on Monday. But remember I'm a Jets fan
living out here in LA. It's tough to watch Jets games.
They don't get a lot of National games Sunday. I've
got to fire up like all these online feeds to watch. Like,
that's not a great experience. Let me go back to
this though, the fact that Aaron was surprised green Bay
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kicked him to the curb. What is your interpretation of
self awareness? I mean, just total lack of self awareness. Like,
just ask yourself if you told your bosses you were
ninety percent into quitting. I'll get closer to an answer.
After I go to Vegas for four days and you
came back and they said we're moving on, you'd be surprised.
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You don't have any friends that call you on your
crap after eight straight weeks of leaving green Bay and Limbo,
you would your words, you were kind of surprised. Green
Bay said, Bro, we got a guy in the building.
He's a Jordan Love. You've seen him. Aaron has said.
Jordan Love's really good. So Aaron seen Jordan Love. He's
been in the building three years. Aaron, his words, has said,
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the kid's gonna be really good. So there's a guy
in the building to replace you if you literally Bob
cost Us or whoever was here in the building, and
I'm like, eight weeks, I'll give you an answer. Let
me go to Vegas for a weekend. I'll get closer.
And they came back and they said, whoever the sportscaster
is Stephen A. Smiths. It could be NBA. And I
came back and went, yeah, I can't believe they did that.
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I would lack total self aware. By the way, isn't
this the second straight offseason that Rogers has had a
bunch of dramas swirling? It might be the third for
I'm and I lost track, But that's one of the
reasons I'm lukewarm on Rogers. Right, It's like he's doing
this every offseason. Now, do you think Green Bay's suddenly
gotten very so what and the Jets going to get
in bed with this guy? Well, they'll be better, damn it. Now,
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I just flip flop back to I don't want him anymore.
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First up, Darren Waller shocked to find out he was
traded to the Job's coming off that three year extension
with Vegas. The team had been shopping him last season.
Remember he nearly went to the Packers. Yeah, Waller had
to say in it's a first appearance since the trade.
I did not see this coming. I was I was
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getting ready to you know, just do everything I could
to make myself available for the Raiders and get ready
for everything that was going to start in mid April.
So it caught me off guard. But a nature in
a business, I'm willing to come out here and to
you know, be the best I can be, to be
a weapon for this team, a tool that this team
can use to get to that next level they want
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to go to. And that's exactly what I'm gonna do.
It seems like Waller not thrilled. There was some reports
that he just got married to a w NBA player
who is on the Vegas team. Yeah, and McDaniels trades
him like two weeks after. Well, they have a good
backup tight end. Um. I just went from a personal standpoint.
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I don't think. I don't think Waller wanted to leave Vegas.
Very good player, also had some injuries. They also really
resurrected his career. He had some personal foibles. Oh he's
a great comeback story. Yeah. So I mean it's like
the Raiders did him well. He did the Raiders well,
and they just decided, you know, we're gonna pay other people.
They decided they were going to pay another receiver, Jacoby Myers,
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and so they'll have Davante Adams, Kobe Myers, Hunter Renfro
and Morow is a very good backup tight end. So yeah,
I mean just that's just one of those things is
we like you, but we we got to make tough
decisions here. So Garoppolo was cheaper than you know, star quarterbacks,
but he wasn't a discount. Josh Jacobs now becomes very expensive.
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Max Crosby now is very expensive. If they paid Colton
Miller yet, I think they're getting close to paying Colton Miller.
So it's just one of those calp casualties. That you
got to move off a really good player. I'll say
this about Waller. So he came on the show at
the Super Bowl, right and he was in like the
green room. I'll just say he's one of the largest
tight ends in terms of like heights, like Tony Gonzalez.
You know, we see him all the time here in
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dire Waller is a large individual. And the idea of
tackling that guy also running play. His tax situation and
the weather situation's gonna get far worse. But the Giants
for the Giants, who don't really have any receiving options.
In fact, the Giants today went and signed a free
agent Paris Campbell. Campbell from the Colts who just speed
guy but not much else. So I wasn't a huge fan.
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And the Giants invested in a tight end who's been
hurt a lot the last two years and Paris Cambell
who's been hurt his entire career. Now they also have
a couple of I do think the Giants have a
couple of receivers I like, but they're more like three
and four guys. They have the arguably the weakest receiver
corps in the entire endemy. I'll challenge anyone on that.
Next up the Warriors. Hey, they were here in La
last night battle the Clippers. I thought about going to
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the game, Collin, but I was like, Curry was amazing.
Curry was whatever adjective is better than amazing. Yet, fifty
fifty points last night unbelievable. But they can't defend now
there's no Andrew Wiggans, so they're just not the same
defensive team. Andrea Gudala I think broken. He's having surgery
on a wrist, So they're missing two of their best defenders.
I mean, they really have nothing on the wings. So
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Kawhi eight Paul George is going to kill them in
the playoffs. Like I've come close to coming off the
Warriors coming I'm the same way is that when I
was told a couple of days ago there it's not certain,
but Andrew Wiggins is going through a really, really bad,
bad personal situation with his family. So nobody should it's
nobody's business, um, But there's a There are a lot
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of people that believe there is it's a better than
fifty percent chance he will not return, and he shouldn't
if he's got a If he's got a situation at home.
He shouldn't and I don't care what it is. I'm
not going to pry. I was told, though there there
is kind of a feeling they may not get him back.
They're not winning a championship without him. How good was
Andrew Wiggins last year? There were multiple games he was
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consideration in the final took. I mean he is essential
against the Celtics of the Clippers, he becomes almost as
important as Steph Curry because he's got to defend Kawai,
Paul George or Tatum or against Dallas A Luca. So
he Wiggins is a and he's a high functioning, smart,
twitchy athletic wing who also can drop twenty eight on
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any night. Now the good looking for silver lining for
Golden State. They're currently the sixth seed. They would play
the Sacramento Kings, who don't have a wing you gotta
worry about. It's the Deer and Fox Sabonis show, Leman
Keegan Murray's very good, but you're not worrying about him.
They need to get that sixth seed because I don't
like their chances against Memphis without Wiggins. I don't like
their chances against Denver at all. If they should fall further,
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it's I like the Warriors, So this is a major
bummer for me. Final story called Lebron James Baba Lebron.
They need him back badly. They're currently the tenth seed,
but as fail like we've been saying this for three months,
they're only two and a half games back of the sixth.
The Athletics Johann Buba Buha had the latest on Lebron's
potential return, saying it's sounding like if he does return,
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it's probably gonna be the last week or so of
the regular season. A couple of notable developments. He turned
to the team without a walking boot over the weekend.
In between quarters. He's dribbling the ball and shooting layups.
He's ahead of schedule. The plan is to reevaluate him
next week, which will be about three and a half
weeks since the injury. Anthony Davis don't want to play
Lebron coming back. Where are young the Lakers? This is
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what they are. They keep showing us what they are,
which is Lebron's gonna play fifty games, AD's gonna play
forty seven, and we're gonna sit a d out even
on nineties pain free, So they're showing us what they are.
You can make up in your mind that there's something else,
but that's what the franchise is now saying. Yeah, we
didn't really go back and forth on Anthony Davis. Did
they sit him last night because they thought the Lakers
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without Lebron and Ad could beat the Rocket? Well, when
they play really bad teams, Okacy or Houston, the feeling
is the analytic team, the data team is like, he's
pain free, but we're worried about stress fracture, so we're
gonna sit him, give him extra rest. That's kind of
what they're doing. Beat Houston Lineman, Well, what do you
expect when Jared Vanderbilt and Troy Brown are in the lineup?
Like they Anthony Davis get they sit him back to
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backs and so the Rockets, an atrocious offensive team, scored
seventy eight points in the paint and they had sixty two.
I think I know a lot of people are excited
about D'Angelo Russell. Did they watch him playing defense, Noel,
There's a reason D'Angelo Russell went to the Warriors and
they got rid of him fast. He's been on like
he's multiple teams in the last talented, but not not
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a guy you're gonna build her. There's a chance I
play as good defense as D'Angelo Russell. I'm not even
making that up. He's just not a good defending. He
doesn't care. Yeah, you know, and that's why Minnesota moved
off him and got Mike Conley, somebody who could work
with Rudy Gobert high Yes, Russell and Russell the word
I've heard with D'Angelo Russell talented but a little scorely
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and those kind of guys go. Look at who works
with the Warriors, Iggy k d Wiggins. What do they do?
They're willing defenders. Yeah, so it's not about points. They
don't need more points. What what what works with the
current dynasty in the NBA is you got to be
a willing defender. De'angelo Russell isn't. Warriors got him and
bailed off. He's like aloof defensively not played Russell Westbrook,
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aloofery just losing the defender. But like, I don't I
don't see Russell wants a big payday this offseason. He's
not getting well, he will. There's a there's always a
team that I mean, you know, this is the NBA. Dude,
you don't think somebody will pay for D'Angelo. It's a
talent leaue. He's got talent. If you have talent. How
many how many deals did Westbrook get? I mean, good god,
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It's like John wall The Clippers gave John Waller deal, begged,
played him in the back end of the off the bench,
and Walt didn't even make it the full season, like
they dumped it. I mean this, in this league, if
you have talent, you'll always get a contract. And Russell
so young, it's that's a crazy part. He said. It's
like mid twenty eight. D just turned thirty. They're already
doing like no back to back. He's thirty, not thirty eight. Uh.
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Jmack with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stop by the herd Line news. Listen. I know
a lot of you young people. That's not fair to
say Aaron has to be married. You're not the quarterback
for the Packers. If you are a franchise star, a star,
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you gotta have people around you that keep you straight okay,
and you gotta have like friends that are not yes men.
You gotta have people that push back that you don't
ghost when they tell you something you don't want to hear,
it might take on Aaron. Is he didn't have a
lot of those people, Aaron. You gotta tell Aaron that
he's smart and he's the man, and he's the guy.
He don't got a lot of He didn't have a
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lot of pushback people in his life. And it's and
and that's when it's I mean, it's the fact that
Aaron was surprised that green Bay moved off him when
he held him in limbo for eight weeks for the
second or third straight year. What you don't have to
be happy, but the fact that he was surprised, the
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hell you talking about can't be surprised. Now. You may
be ticked off, that's different. That's a different emotion. You
may be disappointed, that's a different emotion. But his words,
you know, I'm kind of surprised they made a move. Okay, dude,
you were ninety percent into retirement going into it, and
I am assuming green Bay knew you had a heavy
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leaning retirement. Because I don't think you're a bad guy.
You weren't going to catch them totally off guard. I
don't believe Aaron's a bad guy, So I think green
Bay knew retirement was absolutely on the table. Aaron wasn't
going to come out of that thing and say I'm done.
That would not be a cool thing to do to
anybody in your life. A friend, an ally, a wife,
a husband, a boss. That's not a cool thing to do.
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I'm retiring. What So, what's amazing is Aaron's watched Jordan
Love in the building, has quoted, has said he's really good,
knows how flaky his division is, kept the team in
limbo for nine weeks after holding him in limbo last year,
goes on a quirky retreat retreat which is I guess,
shouldn't say it, it is what it is. Comes out
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still doesn't have an answer right, and is surprised that
Green Bay is like, yeah, we're gonna go with a kid.
Be mad, I get it. Be surprised that you're you
got your little self centered. If you're caught off guard
by that wacky development, you gotta get out of your
little tunnel. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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I got asked about two days ago somebody said, hey,
where did this Jason McIntyre come from? And I got
to explain this so years ago it maybe in fifteen
(34:07):
years ago. I don't like talking about our show. I
prefer we not. We just do our show. But heads
up for some of you, because he's been here a
few months, three or four months. There was a bunch
of blogs. There's a million blogs. Most of them are
just aggregators. They don't break stories, they don't do anything.
They're useless. They take my show, Steven A. Smith, Skip Bayliss.
They don't do actual content. They take ours, put it up.
(34:27):
It gets clicks. That's why I'm all over these blogs.
I get massive clicks. They don't do any of their
own work. He had a blog and he actually broke stories.
I didn't know who the hell he was, but I
remember telling people when I was at ESPN, whoever runs
that site, it's an actual a story breaker. That's a
real employee, not some aggregator. And then we you know,
I broke his side or blew it up or so
(34:47):
I forget what the heck happened. And anyway that we
met each other blah blah blah, became friends. But to
this day, you are a total grinder. You've got massive sources,
and the rest of these blogs they just take shows
like Steven A. Smith, me, Max Kellerman, they take our stuff,
get clicks. They have none of their own opinions. They
don't break any news, they don't have any of their
own content. I'm not interested. You had your own condom,
(35:07):
very few of these, even political stuff like break stories,
half content. Do your own work, then I respect you.
So that's who this guy is. And then we've been
friends for years and he's built a really nice career,
sold to company blah blah blah. So that's two minutes
of your life you'll never get back. Can I clean
up an inaccuracy? I haven't been in the show for
three or four months. I've been here eight months, Colin,
I mean goodness, cracis August. And also, I was doing
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this site anonymously when you blew it up back in
like two thousand and seven, and it's so funny. I'll
never forget that day because I was working in a
magazine in New York City doing the site anonymously, and
NPR was emailing me saying, hey, would you come on
the show and talk about your website getting blown up?
By the way, who are you? And I was like,
I'm sorry, I can't reveal my ideas. So Sports Illustrated
(35:52):
eventually wrote about me. Yeah, yeah, YadA, YadA, YadA, yeah,
yeah yeah. So that's the whole thing is that in
this world, the sea of you know, blogs, that nobody
breaks anything. Everybody's an expert, but it has no sources.
You were the one guy I told the ESPN bosses
hired that guy. That guy breaks stories. You were breaking
stories about people I work with. I knew him, and
you broke stories. Yes, I did go in there and
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meet with a bunch of executives back back in the day.
It's neither here the water under the Bridge. Yeah, so
there's this story. So today the window opens today for
the Ravens Lamar Jackson to contact other teams. So basically,
what the Baltimore Ravens, a well run organization, are saying is,
we don't think there's a big market for Lamar Jackson.
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We think we're offering him an often injured player who's
very dynamic, a fair contracts. So they offered him something
called a non exclusive franchise tag. What is that. It's
thirty two million bucks. You can go to the market
if you get a better offer. We have a right
in five days to match it. But we don't. We're
gonna give you this offer because this is why the
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Chiefs signed Mahomes early. They didn't want him to go
to market because they knew they'd be If you have
a great quarterback who plays every Sunday and as wildly productive,
you don't want him to go to the market, right.
You don't want anybody else to have an You never
want him to go to the market. The Ravens are
offering Lamar Jackson to the market. They're saying, all right,
get a better offer. He's got three things working against him.
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His mom's his agent, it's not impossible, but it's unorthodox
for a superstar American athlete. You call his mom, you
call him. It's weird and some teams don't want to
deal with that. The second thing is he's got a
lot of injuries at the end of the last two years.
That's a problem. And number three is he's become kind
of a noisy player. Is he mad as he's sulking?
Nobody really knows. There's a lot of question marks around him.
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People don't like that. That's why Aaron Rodgers doesn't have
a big market. As he committed, is he going to play,
there's a bunch of question marks. So the Ravens are saying,
go to the market. I will say this, Atlanta makes
so much sense to me. So the NFC South is
as bad as it's ever been. It's the weakest division
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easily in football. It's not going to be weak forever.
So when something is weak in any business that is
infrequently weak, sees the moment. If you're in any industry,
if you're like, there's a weakness in the industry, that's
the moment you capitalize, get aggressive. So he's a merchandise
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and a newsmaking superstar quarterback in a bad division, he
would be arguably the best quarterback in the entire conference.
That day signs he's always been looking up more accurate
than anybody wants to admit. When anybody compares justin Fields
and Lamar, I'm always like time out, time out, time out,
time out. Lamar Jackson is an accurate thrower of the football.
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I'm not saying he's Mahomes in Borough. I'm not saying
he's Brady and Jalen Hurts last year. I'm not saying that.
But he's an accurate distributor of the football, more than
accurate enough. So Atlanta started accumulating tight ends about a
week ago, and my takeaway was, that's interesting. They also
Atlanta has an advantage. They have an offensive coach. So
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remember when Cam Newton went to Belichick defensive coach. They
didn't know how to hell to use him. Belichick didn't
know how to use him. A lot of these defensive
coaches they just have no offensive sensibility. They don't know
how to use him. If you got an offensive coach,
you're gonna have a better opportunity to figure out how
to use Lamar, who's a very unique player. He is
a great player. Mom. Being an agent doesn't help. Injuries
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don't help. He's gotten noisy, a lot of mystery. That
doesn't help. But if I was Baltimore, I would try
to sign him. And if I was Atlanta, I would
run to sign him. Bad division offensive coach. They've already
got really good tight ends on a star young receiver.
And they're not paying a lot of skill players. They're
paying some people on the defensive line and a couple
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of people on the offensive line, but they're they're not
paying a lot of their perimeter skill people. You got
room to pay, Lamar Jackson. I'll bring up the Colts again, Colin.
They just hired a head coach in Shane steik In
who's work with just and Herbert and more recently with
Jalen Hurts, a running quarterback. Also, Colts have the number
four pick in the draft. That's got to be appealing
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to Baltimore. Considering you need to replace a quarterback. You've
got a chance to draft one very high at four.
I think the Colts get in the discussion. It'll be
interesting to see if it happens before the draft or
perhaps after the draft. Maybe the Colts draft Stroud and
package him. I don't know. I think the Colts are
the one player out there in the AFC. Very interesting.
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I wouldn't let him go. If from Baltimore, he's good.
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it again. I thought it was fascinating. Jay McK and
I are married, have kids. Jordan Peterson's a popular Canadian,
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very very popular, massive YouTube channel. He's a psychologist in
Canada and author. Kind of a right a very right
leaning anti climate change guy. I read one of his books.
It's an interesting guy. I don't agree. I don't have to,
you know, I don't have to agree with all you
believe to read your stuff. I don't agree with Joe
Rogan all the time I listened to a podcast. I
don't agree with Jordan Peterson. I've listened to Ben Shapiro.
(01:07):
I've heard of Bill Maher. I don't know always agree
with him. John Stewart, I don't have to agree with
you to consume you. I've read and What Say and
Coulter's books. I watched Bill Maher show. I love John Stewart,
I love John Oliver. I've listened to Jordan Peterson, and
his theory is you truly become an adult when you
love somebody more than yourself. Because when you're young, I
(01:30):
can experience this. I was the center of my world.
And you know, Bill Simmons and I talked about this
with when you get old, rich, no kids, never married,
You live on that phone. You live in a world
thinking everything affects you, and everybody's thinking about you. And
so I said Aaron Rodgers, rich, good looking, Hollywood cool,
all this mega rich, smart guy said he was surprised
(01:53):
when he came out of the retreat, and green Bay said,
hit the road. And I'm like, how can you be
surprised as an adult? If you told the packers you
were ninety percent into retiring, if I told my wife
or Fox Sports, I'm ninety percent into retiring. I may
give you an answer after my retreat. How in God's
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name could I be surprised when I came out of
the retreat if my wife said hit the road, pal
or Fox said we'll see you. The only surprise is
Aaron's surprised by it. How Because he doesn't have to
answer to anybody or empathize in his world, he can't
believe it. If you got people that call you on
your you know what, a wife, your kids, real friends
(02:35):
who call you on your crap, there's no way you
could be surprised. Green Bay's like hit the road, retired
of sitting there and waiting for you to make a decision.
I'm shocked. And these were his words, his words eron
ninety percent into retirement and ninety percent and his words
ninety percent into retirement before the retreat, and surprise when
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I came out, How in God's name can you be
because there's this is somebody And I said, Aaron wants
you to think he's the smartest guy in the room.
And I do think he's very bright, But is he
an adult? Because when you're an adult, you're not the
most important person in your life. And that's Jordan Peterson's
theory on it, which I subscribe to, which is, once
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you have kids, you jump in front of a moving
car for a kid. I love my friends. I'm not
doing that, and you do that instinctively because you're not
the most important person in your life. I'm not doing this.
You do the exact same thing as a parent, You
jump in front of a car. You wouldn't do it
before you're married, before, but you do that once you
are not the most important person in your life, which
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I am gladly not. So that's one of Jordan Peterson's
theories and I do subscribe to. That doesn't make it right.
There's other ways to become an adult, but I think
it's much harder to do it when you're living in
your own galaxy, rich, handsome people move. The path opens
up everywhere you go. I'm surprised that Aaron's surprised. That's
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my take. I'm shocked that Aaron came out of that
and went, I can't believe you're tired of this crap.
My wife would have called me out if I told
Fox for eight weeks, I don't have an answer yet.
Ann would be like, give him an answer, schmuck, what
are you doing. They're gonna boot you to the curb.
Because I have somebody that calls me out in my life.
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My kids would be like, Dad, grow up, give him
an answer. But you know so, it's not the only
way to be an adult, but it does speed it
up once you have somebody calling you on your crap.
The fact that Aaron's surprised is to me bizarre. You're
living in just a tiny little tunnel. If you're surprised,
people said, hit the road. So I've been saying this
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now for a year. I'd pull I'd ripped the band
aid off. I don't like to be manipulated. You don't
have to like me. I don't care if I'm not.
I'm not liked by half my audience. You don't have
to like me, But don't manipulate me. If you don't
like me, fire me. If you don't like me, get
rid of me. If you don't like me, don't let
me come to the party. Don't manipulate me. That's what
I feel. Aaron's done green Bay. There's just manipulation going on,
using his leverage in every turn. So now green Bay
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is holding off this trade because they can manipulate him.
And with that we bring in Albert Brearer, So let's
talk about that. Albert. The option bonus you discussed yesterday.
So from what I didn't know this, give our audience
an update on it appears Green Bay's got all the
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leverage here. Yeah, it was. It was smart of the
packers to build the option bonus in the way they did.
Most of most bonuses that are this way have a
hard deadline, so it'll be March fifteenth or April first,
or in the case of Derek cart was in the
middle of February. That forces the team to make a decision. Well,
the way the Packers built the option bonus into this contract,
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they have to exercise it. It's fully guaranteed the money
is going to get to Taron Rodgers one way or
the other. But they don't have to exercise it until
September first, and it doesn't have to be paid until
a week after that. Part of it's paid a week
after that part of it's paid Supt. Number thirtieth, So
that gives them the flexibility. It's just sort of squat
on Aaron Rodgers rights and they don't have to act
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with any urgency here. And meanwhile, you know, on the
other side of the table, you've got the Jets, who
you know, now Aaron Rodgers has declared I want to
be in New York. Jet. There's a ton of pressure
on them to get him there, especially with guys like
Alan Lazard signing. Maybe Randall Cobb comes with them. So
there's pressure on the Jets to get this done, and
there's no pressure on the Packers to do it. At
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this point. I still think like when the dust settles
and when the Packers dig out from the comments that
Rodgers made yesterday, the cooler heads are going to prevail
and there's a fair deal to be done here, maybe
a second rounder this year and a conditional pick or
two down the road based on how he plays, whether
or not he plays in twenty twenty four. But as
it stands right now, the Packers can sit back, you know,
(06:50):
sort of lean back in their office chairs, you know,
seeing what Aaron said yesterday and smirk and say to
the Jets, you got to come to us now. Wow,
Lamar Jackson situations interesting to me. I had a discussion
yesterday with somebody close to that organization. I said, I
don't understand what the Atlanta Falcons. They have an offensive
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coach who would be better equipped to handle a unique quarterback.
The division can't be this awful forever. So there's a
moment in time now to seize the division because Derek
Carr could win it. But we don't know if Dennis
alcan coach. He bombed with the Raiders. He's been bad
so far with the Saints. He may not have the
right coach. The division's week. It would be Lamar in
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Atlanta would be a merchandise home run. He's a newsmaking machine.
And I'm like, Arthur Blank's a good owner. How long
do you want to be bad? The quarterback hit rates
fifty percent on first round quarterbacks. That's first rounders. Yeah,
does Atlanta Washington isn't today? The window opens for Lamar
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to contact other teams? Does Atlanta feel obvious to you?
Is there anybody else out there? Paper does? M Paper does.
But here's here's what you want to look at, Colin.
Look at the quarterback contracts done last year. Vegas did one,
Denver did one, Cleveland did one, Green Bay did one,
Arizona did one. Which of those teams came out of
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those deals? Happy like a year later, like which of
those teams is looking at that and saying, Wow, we
eat a home run here. And I think that there's
something happening in the league right now that people aren't
paying a lot of attention to. And it's a pushback
on the idea of going and paying top dollar to
get good but not great at that position. And you know,
I think what you've seen in Tampa with Kyle Trask
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and now Baker Mayfield, in Washington with Sam Howell and
now Jacoby Brissette, and in Atlanta with Desmond Ritter and
now Taylor Heineke is we're going to be economical at
the position, and we are not going to go and
pay top dollar for Derek Carr or Daniel Jones. We're
gonna we feel like we're good enough where we're gonna
be able to tread water with less than that less
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of us spend at that position, and we're gonna spend
the money we save everywhere else, and we're gonna wait
until there's a quarterback we're all in on before we
make that big splash. And you know, I think in
a lot of ways, like Kansas City drew a roadmap
for people and looking to do this right, which is
they had Alex Smith for four years. He was good,
a good quarterback. It bought them time to get to
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Patrick Mahomes, and they were patient, patient, patient, and waited
until there was a guy there that they were ready
to go all in on. And they were all in
on Patrick Mahomes, they go and get him at all
works out. I think this is sort of Atlanta in
Washington and Tampa saying we're not sure there's a guy
out there right now that we're one hundred percent in on.
Maybe we'd be seventy percent on Lamar Jackson, maybe we'd
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be eighty percent on Lamar Jackson. But the contract, the injuries,
all of it, the two first round picks going out
the door, we're not one hundred percent. So we're gonna
sit tight. We're gonna stay loose at that position. We're
gonna be economical at that position. We're gonna build the
rest of our team, and we're gonna wait for the
right opportunity to come along. Now, the risk there is
you could wind up waiting for too long get yourself hired, right.
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But I think that's sort of the approach that we're
seeing teams start to take now and looking at some
of the big quarterback deals that have been done over
the last couple of years, and how at least a
couple of them have blown up in team's face. So
I talked to somebody, an executive in the league yesterday,
and they made note of how smart Kansas City was.
They said, this is a great example. The Patriots used
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to do this, and now they're getting worked that. Juju
Smith Schuster was wildly talented but distracted in Pittsburgh and
the chief said, come here for a year. We're not
gonna pay anything. We're gonna give you. Seventy percent of
your contract is going to be bonuses and incentives. It
made Juju work hard and hit some of those the
minute he did. See you later and the Suckers come
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in and give him a long term contract. So the Steelers,
who've always been willing to deal with drama and personalities,
bailed on him. The Chiefs, after one year and a
good Super Bowl, bailed on him. And this Patriots let
go of undrafted, workaholic, productive Jacoby Myers, not a TikTok guy,
not a brand guy, and they go sign Juju for
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three years. And I thought Patriot fans made fun of
teams that did that years ago, that got that, that
did that. I cannot believe they let Jacoby go. Brought
in juju to me, that is not the Patriot way.
Your thoughts, Yeah, you know, I think it's trying to
find a bargain. Is the problem there, you know, Like
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is that we don't want to pay twenty five million
dollars a year for a J. Brown, So like, let's
pay less for someone who's a fraction of that that
we think we can coach up and make better. And
I think they sort of fall fell into that trap
with Johnny Smith a couple of years ago too. He's
the perfect example, right, Like, this is what they used
to do. They used to get the most out of
a player's first four years in the league. They realized
part of it was their system and what they were
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doing with him. They let him go, he'd go get
paid somewhere else, he'd get cut after a couple of years,
and then he would come back, Like Patrick Chung was
the greatest example of that. He was pretty good in
his first four years in New England, went to Philly
for a year, didn't work out, got cut, he comes
back on a more economical deal and he winds up
being a bedrock for some Super Bowl teams in New England.
The reverse happened with John NUW Smith. John nuy Smith
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was really good under Arthur Smith in Tennessee, right he
was his position coach, that he was his coordinator. Arthur
Smith knew how to get everything out of John NW Smith. JOHNA.
Smith goes somewhere else. It doesn't work the same way.
And what does New England do after two years? They've
got to trade his contract away for nothing? And where
does John NUW Smith go to Atlanta? Who's in Atlanta?
Arthur Smith? So, you know, I think that there's that
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part of it where they're looking for bargains, they're looking
for good deals, and they're unwilling to swing at the
top of the market because they've never done that, because
they never had to do that because they were either
getting discounts on players who wanted to play with Brady
or they were bringing in lesser players who Brady could
lift up. That's what Kansas City is doing now. And
I think that that's sort of where the disconnect is
with New England is I think they're still operating like
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Tom Brady's on the team when he's not there anymore. Yeah. Finally,
I'll circle back to my Jordan Peterson rant. The only
thing I took away from Aaron yesterday that I was
surprised by is that he was surprised after leaning ninety
percent retirement going into his you know thing he did
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in Oregon. My takeaway for that hour he talked was,
how in God's name can you be surprised You've been
stringing these guys along for nine weeks. They're tired of
your crap. So my takeaway and that whole thing was, Aaron, dude,
you got to be less deluded. You gotta be you
gotta be less self centered. You cannot be surprised. That
shocked me. What do you make of that? That may
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assert whether Jordan Peterson's right. He's a psychologist, a PhD.
In his theory is to be an adult, you can't
be the most important person in your life. Regardless of that,
I'm taken back that Aaron would be surprised by the
packers moving on him. Well, first of all, like the
minute we get off here, I'm gonna google this Jordan
Peterson things. I think it's interesting. I like my takeaway
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was like, Okay, so you're only coming back for revenge,
you know what I mean. Like that's sort of what
like I took away from it was if you were
ninety percent out, yeah, and then all of a sudden
you're back all in, Well, it's the only reason you're
coming back now for revenge. And like, look like some
of the questions with great with the Packers over the
last year, questions of how engaged Aaron Rodgers was right, Like,
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they really would have liked to have had him there
in April and May and June last year, and they
felt like part of the reason why Christian Watson and
Romeo Dobbs came along later in the year rather than
earlier in the year was because they hadn't had those
reps with Aaron Rodgers during OTA's and Mini camps and
all that other stuff. So, like my question is going
to be going forward, what level of engagement or the
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Jets getting from Aaron Rodgers? And if revenge is a motivator,
does that level of engagement maintain over time? Right, have
him there for two years? Is he going to be
fully engaged for the full two years? Because you remember Brady, right, Colin,
Like what Brady did that first year in Tampa that
was in the middle of COVID. He was like breaking
all the rules to get work in with those guys.
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You remember the helicopters over that high school in Tampa,
Jesuit High School. Like you remember how he like like
walked into somebody's house. He thought it was like Byron
Leftwich's house right right, like because he was trying to
because he was doing everything that he possibly could to
get up to speed with his teammates, learn his new
environment and build something. And so like that's gonna be
what's gonna be really interesting to me going forward whenever
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they work out the deal. Is Aaron Rodgers going back
to the level of engagement from ten years ago? Are
we seeing like Aaron Rodgers fully engaged and his revenge
enough of a motivator to get him there? Like, I
think that that's going to be a really interesting, you know,
question to ask over the next few weeks. Is he
gonna be at OTAs, Is he gonna be at Mini camp?
Because if we get to fully engaged Aaron Rodgers, look
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out right, if we don't, we're talking about something else.
Good stuff. Albert Bard, good seeing you buddy as Oh,
it's nice stuff. All right, thanks calling that that is
what you Before our show started today, jaymaca Jets fan,
said that to me. He goes, boy, Aaron's going to
be ticked off. And I do think revenge is a
powerful jet fuel. I think it's a very power and
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I do think it works. I don't think it's a
joyful way to live, but I do think it works.
I think Brady had a lot of that chip on
his shoulder revenge for teams that have passed on him.
So I do think Kobe Bryant, a lot of great athletes,
Michael Jordan have used that revenge thing. I think revenge
is very powerful. I don't think it's healthy, but I
do think it's powerful. Is that you'd land one hundred percent.
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I mean, listen, even on a small scale myself, Like
people didn't, Oh, you can't do radio, Jason. You're a
website guy, you're a writer, you're a reporter. So I'll
prove you wrong. Right, Jason, You're not till you're moving
later to TV. I can handle it. I got this.
I love sports. Aaron Rodgers was told, Hey, you're maybe
going to be the number one pick craters to the
number twenty pick sits in the green room forever, and
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then when multiple MVPs, when's the Super Bowl, and now
the packers are like dusting him, We're done with you, goodbye.
You don't think he's going to be highly motive. I
would not be shocked if he was working in the offseason,
like Beer said, with Garrett Wilson, showing up doing the stuff,
putting in the reps that matter. And well, anytime somebody
kicks you to the curb, it motivates you. Yeah, you
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get dumped by your girlfriend, what are you? You're going
out immediately and trying to rebound Ryan. So I think,
I think, I think. I hope Aaron is fueled to
be more committed because I think he's great. Listen, I
work at Fox us losing Aaron Rodgers. All the good
quarterbacks are in the AFC. No, I mean dead serious.
I work at Fox. It does it's not good for
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our company to have the best quarterbacks. Jalen hurts. We
got a bunch of Brock Purties and Geno Smith. Your
guy Jared Goff is still in the NFC. The point
being the top six. If Aaron goes over the top
seven eight quarterbacks in the league arguably are all in
the CBS. His deal. Now, the way it works these days,
we'll get some of those games because at the end
of our when we had better teams, we had to
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give up some of our games. The NFL steps in
and does that. But the point being is Aaron is
good for Fox, it's good for the NFC, it's good
to the league. It's yeah. So I want to inspired Aaron.
People think I'm unfair to Aaron. I am the single
most fair person in the world. On Aaron, which is
I called him out seven eight years ago and he
came on my show after he won the Super Bowl.
He came on that the next day, the Monday, and
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took a shot at me, and it was kind of funny.
He goes, Oh, I mean, now you believe I said
from the very beginning, super talented, arrogant, don't like his
body language, said from the very beginning. But I also said,
I like him much more than Brett Farve. I think
he's a much smarter guy. He's a thinking man's quarterback.
I think he's a little bit of an artist, the
jazz musician. I've defended Kyler Murray I'll defend not everybody
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does it the same way. Not everybody's Brady, not everybody's Lebron.
They sit in the gym and work. Some guys these
are artists. We have musical artists, we have we have painters,
we have Steven Spielberg, and some of our great athletes
are artists. They have their own golf swing, their own
way to see the world. And artists stumble in their journey.
John Morant stumbles. So I am for Aaron meditating, doing
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whatever he has to do. I am totally for that.
But I'm gonna call him on his crap when he
says I'm ninety percent into retirement, going into the retreat,
and then I'm surprised when I came out that Green
Bay said, brute, we're moving on. Aaron, grow up. You
got to have people around you in your life. Somebody
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had to say, Aaron, dude, you can't keep it's nine weeks.
Somebody in your life be it a And that's why
I think having relationships children it does make you go.
Do you think Jah Morant would be in this trouble
if you had four kids and he's married, not going
out of the clothes and doing that crap, you know,
And I know when I told us accountable constantly. I
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know yesterday I was poo pooing the idea of Rogers.
I was very skewing negative, shall we say, start to
warm up to the idea. Overnight, cups of people pointed out,
heja enjoy the primetime games with Rogers, not just being
relegated to Thursday night football. Only you can be getting
Sunday night. Jets haven't been on Sunday night football forever.
You're gonna get Monday night like. Jets are gonna be
all over television. And it's great for the league, the
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New York market. Yeah, but Rogers, but is that good
for the team. The Giants complain for years when they
had Eli Manning that how come you keep putting us
on Sunday night games? It screws up our clock, It
screws up our weekly schedule. So the television. By the way,
New England vetched about this for years. New England's like,
you're putting that's why the NFL has a rule you
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can only be on TV so much. Yeah, I mean
teams don't want to play on Thursday, they don't want
to play on Monday. But remember I'm a Jets fan
living out here in LA. It's tough to watch Jets games.
They don't get a lot of National games Sunday. I've
got to fire up like all these online feeds to watch. Like,
that's not a great experience. Let me go back to
this though, the fact that Aaron was surprised green Bay
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kicked him to the curb. What is your interpretation of
self awareness? I mean, just total lack of self awareness. Like,
just ask yourself if you told your bosses you were
ninety percent into quitting. I'll get closer to an answer.
After I go to Vegas for four days and you
came back and they said we're moving on, you'd be surprised.
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You don't have any friends that call you on your
crap after eight straight weeks of leaving green Bay and Limbo,
you would your words, you were kind of surprised. Green
Bay said, Bro, we got a guy in the building.
He's a Jordan Love. You've seen him. Aaron has said.
Jordan Love's really good. So Aaron seen Jordan Love. He's
been in the building three years. Aaron, his words, has said,
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the kid's gonna be really good. So there's a guy
in the building to replace you if you literally Bob
cost Us or whoever was here in the building, and
I'm like, eight weeks, I'll give you an answer. Let
me go to Vegas for a weekend. I'll get closer.
And they came back and they said, whoever the sportscaster
is Stephen A. Smiths. It could be NBA. And I
came back and went, yeah, I can't believe they did that.
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I would lack total self aware. By the way, isn't
this the second straight offseason that Rogers has had a
bunch of dramas swirling? It might be the third for
I'm and I lost track, But that's one of the
reasons I'm lukewarm on Rogers. Right, It's like he's doing
this every offseason. Now, do you think Green Bay's suddenly
gotten very so what and the Jets going to get
in bed with this guy? Well, they'll be better, damn it. Now,
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I just flip flop back to I don't want him anymore.
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is the herd Line News. All right, Kellen, Let's get started.
First up, Darren Waller shocked to find out he was
traded to the Job's coming off that three year extension
with Vegas. The team had been shopping him last season.
Remember he nearly went to the Packers. Yeah, Waller had
to say in it's a first appearance since the trade.
I did not see this coming. I was I was
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getting ready to you know, just do everything I could
to make myself available for the Raiders and get ready
for everything that was going to start in mid April.
So it caught me off guard. But a nature in
a business, I'm willing to come out here and to
you know, be the best I can be, to be
a weapon for this team, a tool that this team
can use to get to that next level they want
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to go to. And that's exactly what I'm gonna do.
It seems like Waller not thrilled. There was some reports
that he just got married to a w NBA player
who is on the Vegas team. Yeah, and McDaniels trades
him like two weeks after. Well, they have a good
backup tight end. Um. I just went from a personal standpoint.
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I don't think. I don't think Waller wanted to leave Vegas.
Very good player, also had some injuries. They also really
resurrected his career. He had some personal foibles. Oh he's
a great comeback story. Yeah. So I mean it's like
the Raiders did him well. He did the Raiders well,
and they just decided, you know, we're gonna pay other people.
They decided they were going to pay another receiver, Jacoby Myers,
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and so they'll have Davante Adams, Kobe Myers, Hunter Renfro
and Morow is a very good backup tight end. So yeah,
I mean just that's just one of those things is
we like you, but we we got to make tough
decisions here. So Garoppolo was cheaper than you know, star quarterbacks,
but he wasn't a discount. Josh Jacobs now becomes very expensive.
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Max Crosby now is very expensive. If they paid Colton
Miller yet, I think they're getting close to paying Colton Miller.
So it's just one of those calp casualties. That you
got to move off a really good player. I'll say
this about Waller. So he came on the show at
the Super Bowl, right and he was in like the
green room. I'll just say he's one of the largest
tight ends in terms of like heights, like Tony Gonzalez.
You know, we see him all the time here in
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dire Waller is a large individual. And the idea of
tackling that guy also running play. His tax situation and
the weather situation's gonna get far worse. But the Giants
for the Giants, who don't really have any receiving options.
In fact, the Giants today went and signed a free
agent Paris Campbell. Campbell from the Colts who just speed
guy but not much else. So I wasn't a huge fan.
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And the Giants invested in a tight end who's been
hurt a lot the last two years and Paris Cambell
who's been hurt his entire career. Now they also have
a couple of I do think the Giants have a
couple of receivers I like, but they're more like three
and four guys. They have the arguably the weakest receiver
corps in the entire endemy. I'll challenge anyone on that.
Next up the Warriors. Hey, they were here in La
last night battle the Clippers. I thought about going to
(25:42):
the game, Collin, but I was like, Curry was amazing.
Curry was whatever adjective is better than amazing. Yet, fifty
fifty points last night unbelievable. But they can't defend now
there's no Andrew Wiggans, so they're just not the same
defensive team. Andrea Gudala I think broken. He's having surgery
on a wrist, So they're missing two of their best defenders.
I mean, they really have nothing on the wings. So
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Kawhi eight Paul George is going to kill them in
the playoffs. Like I've come close to coming off the
Warriors coming I'm the same way is that when I
was told a couple of days ago there it's not certain,
but Andrew Wiggins is going through a really, really bad,
bad personal situation with his family. So nobody should it's
nobody's business, um, But there's a There are a lot
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of people that believe there is it's a better than
fifty percent chance he will not return, and he shouldn't
if he's got a If he's got a situation at home.
He shouldn't and I don't care what it is. I'm
not going to pry. I was told, though there there
is kind of a feeling they may not get him back.
They're not winning a championship without him. How good was
Andrew Wiggins last year? There were multiple games he was
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consideration in the final took. I mean he is essential
against the Celtics of the Clippers, he becomes almost as
important as Steph Curry because he's got to defend Kawai,
Paul George or Tatum or against Dallas A Luca. So
he Wiggins is a and he's a high functioning, smart,
twitchy athletic wing who also can drop twenty eight on
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any night. Now the good looking for silver lining for
Golden State. They're currently the sixth seed. They would play
the Sacramento Kings, who don't have a wing you gotta
worry about. It's the Deer and Fox Sabonis show, Leman
Keegan Murray's very good, but you're not worrying about him.
They need to get that sixth seed because I don't
like their chances against Memphis without Wiggins. I don't like
their chances against Denver at all. If they should fall further,
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it's I like the Warriors, So this is a major
bummer for me. Final story called Lebron James Baba Lebron.
They need him back badly. They're currently the tenth seed,
but as fail like we've been saying this for three months,
they're only two and a half games back of the sixth.
The Athletics Johann Buba Buha had the latest on Lebron's
potential return, saying it's sounding like if he does return,
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it's probably gonna be the last week or so of
the regular season. A couple of notable developments. He turned
to the team without a walking boot over the weekend.
In between quarters. He's dribbling the ball and shooting layups.
He's ahead of schedule. The plan is to reevaluate him
next week, which will be about three and a half
weeks since the injury. Anthony Davis don't want to play
Lebron coming back. Where are young the Lakers? This is
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what they are. They keep showing us what they are,
which is Lebron's gonna play fifty games, AD's gonna play
forty seven, and we're gonna sit a d out even
on nineties pain free, So they're showing us what they are.
You can make up in your mind that there's something else,
but that's what the franchise is now saying. Yeah, we
didn't really go back and forth on Anthony Davis. Did
they sit him last night because they thought the Lakers
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without Lebron and Ad could beat the Rocket? Well, when
they play really bad teams, Okacy or Houston, the feeling
is the analytic team, the data team is like, he's
pain free, but we're worried about stress fracture, so we're
gonna sit him, give him extra rest. That's kind of
what they're doing. Beat Houston Lineman, Well, what do you
expect when Jared Vanderbilt and Troy Brown are in the lineup?
Like they Anthony Davis get they sit him back to
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backs and so the Rockets, an atrocious offensive team, scored
seventy eight points in the paint and they had sixty two.
I think I know a lot of people are excited
about D'Angelo Russell. Did they watch him playing defense, Noel,
There's a reason D'Angelo Russell went to the Warriors and
they got rid of him fast. He's been on like
he's multiple teams in the last talented, but not not
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a guy you're gonna build her. There's a chance I
play as good defense as D'Angelo Russell. I'm not even
making that up. He's just not a good defending. He
doesn't care. Yeah, you know, and that's why Minnesota moved
off him and got Mike Conley, somebody who could work
with Rudy Gobert high Yes, Russell and Russell the word
I've heard with D'Angelo Russell talented but a little scorely
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and those kind of guys go. Look at who works
with the Warriors, Iggy k d Wiggins. What do they do?
They're willing defenders. Yeah, so it's not about points. They
don't need more points. What what what works with the
current dynasty in the NBA is you got to be
a willing defender. De'angelo Russell isn't. Warriors got him and
bailed off. He's like aloof defensively not played Russell Westbrook,
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aloofery just losing the defender. But like, I don't I
don't see Russell wants a big payday this offseason. He's
not getting well, he will. There's a there's always a
team that I mean, you know, this is the NBA. Dude,
you don't think somebody will pay for D'Angelo. It's a
talent leaue. He's got talent. If you have talent. How
many how many deals did Westbrook get? I mean, good god,
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It's like John wall The Clippers gave John Waller deal, begged,
played him in the back end of the off the bench,
and Walt didn't even make it the full season, like
they dumped it. I mean this, in this league, if
you have talent, you'll always get a contract. And Russell
so young, it's that's a crazy part. He said. It's
like mid twenty eight. D just turned thirty. They're already
doing like no back to back. He's thirty, not thirty eight. Uh.
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Jmack with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stop by the herd Line news. Listen. I know
a lot of you young people. That's not fair to
say Aaron has to be married. You're not the quarterback
for the Packers. If you are a franchise star, a star,
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you gotta have people around you that keep you straight okay,
and you gotta have like friends that are not yes men.
You gotta have people that push back that you don't
ghost when they tell you something you don't want to hear,
it might take on Aaron. Is he didn't have a
lot of those people, Aaron. You gotta tell Aaron that
he's smart and he's the man, and he's the guy.
He don't got a lot of He didn't have a
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lot of pushback people in his life. And it's and
and that's when it's I mean, it's the fact that
Aaron was surprised that green Bay moved off him when
he held him in limbo for eight weeks for the
second or third straight year. What you don't have to
be happy, but the fact that he was surprised, the
(31:59):
hell you talking about can't be surprised. Now. You may
be ticked off, that's different. That's a different emotion. You
may be disappointed, that's a different emotion. But his words,
you know, I'm kind of surprised they made a move. Okay, dude,
you were ninety percent into retirement going into it, and
I am assuming green Bay knew you had a heavy
(32:19):
leaning retirement. Because I don't think you're a bad guy.
You weren't going to catch them totally off guard. I
don't believe Aaron's a bad guy, So I think green
Bay knew retirement was absolutely on the table. Aaron wasn't
going to come out of that thing and say I'm done.
That would not be a cool thing to do to
anybody in your life. A friend, an ally, a wife,
a husband, a boss. That's not a cool thing to do.
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I'm retiring. What So, what's amazing is Aaron's watched Jordan
Love in the building, has quoted, has said he's really good,
knows how flaky his division is, kept the team in
limbo for nine weeks after holding him in limbo last year,
goes on a quirky retreat retreat which is I guess,
shouldn't say it, it is what it is. Comes out
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still doesn't have an answer right, and is surprised that
Green Bay is like, yeah, we're gonna go with a kid.
Be mad, I get it. Be surprised that you're you
got your little self centered. If you're caught off guard
by that wacky development, you gotta get out of your
little tunnel. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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Herd Weekdays in neun Easter not Ampacific on Fox Sports
Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Hey I'm Doug,
Gotlieb The podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk
all basketball all the time, but it's more about the
stories about what made these people love their sport and
all the interesting interactions along the way. We talked to coaches,
(33:45):
we talked to players, We tell you stories. You download it,
you listen to it. I think you'll like it. Listen
to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or ever you get your podcast. By the way,
I got asked about two days ago somebody said, hey,
where did this Jason McIntyre come from? And I got
to explain this so years ago it maybe in fifteen
(34:07):
years ago. I don't like talking about our show. I
prefer we not. We just do our show. But heads
up for some of you, because he's been here a
few months, three or four months. There was a bunch
of blogs. There's a million blogs. Most of them are
just aggregators. They don't break stories, they don't do anything.
They're useless. They take my show, Steven A. Smith, Skip Bayliss.
They don't do actual content. They take ours, put it up.
(34:27):
It gets clicks. That's why I'm all over these blogs.
I get massive clicks. They don't do any of their
own work. He had a blog and he actually broke stories.
I didn't know who the hell he was, but I
remember telling people when I was at ESPN, whoever runs
that site, it's an actual a story breaker. That's a
real employee, not some aggregator. And then we you know,
I broke his side or blew it up or so
(34:47):
I forget what the heck happened. And anyway that we
met each other blah blah blah, became friends. But to
this day, you are a total grinder. You've got massive sources,
and the rest of these blogs they just take shows
like Steven A. Smith, me, Max Kellerman, they take our stuff,
get clicks. They have none of their own opinions. They
don't break any news, they don't have any of their
own content. I'm not interested. You had your own condom,
(35:07):
very few of these, even political stuff like break stories,
half content. Do your own work, then I respect you.
So that's who this guy is. And then we've been
friends for years and he's built a really nice career,
sold to company blah blah blah. So that's two minutes
of your life you'll never get back. Can I clean
up an inaccuracy? I haven't been in the show for
three or four months. I've been here eight months, Colin,
I mean goodness, cracis August. And also, I was doing
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this site anonymously when you blew it up back in
like two thousand and seven, and it's so funny. I'll
never forget that day because I was working in a
magazine in New York City doing the site anonymously, and
NPR was emailing me saying, hey, would you come on
the show and talk about your website getting blown up?
By the way, who are you? And I was like,
I'm sorry, I can't reveal my ideas. So Sports Illustrated
(35:52):
eventually wrote about me. Yeah, yeah, YadA, YadA, YadA, yeah,
yeah yeah. So that's the whole thing is that in
this world, the sea of you know, blogs, that nobody
breaks anything. Everybody's an expert, but it has no sources.
You were the one guy I told the ESPN bosses
hired that guy. That guy breaks stories. You were breaking
stories about people I work with. I knew him, and
you broke stories. Yes, I did go in there and
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meet with a bunch of executives back back in the day.
It's neither here the water under the Bridge. Yeah, so
there's this story. So today the window opens today for
the Ravens Lamar Jackson to contact other teams. So basically,
what the Baltimore Ravens, a well run organization, are saying is,
we don't think there's a big market for Lamar Jackson.
(36:33):
We think we're offering him an often injured player who's
very dynamic, a fair contracts. So they offered him something
called a non exclusive franchise tag. What is that. It's
thirty two million bucks. You can go to the market
if you get a better offer. We have a right
in five days to match it. But we don't. We're
gonna give you this offer because this is why the
(36:53):
Chiefs signed Mahomes early. They didn't want him to go
to market because they knew they'd be If you have
a great quarterback who plays every Sunday and as wildly productive,
you don't want him to go to the market, right.
You don't want anybody else to have an You never
want him to go to the market. The Ravens are
offering Lamar Jackson to the market. They're saying, all right,
get a better offer. He's got three things working against him.
(37:16):
His mom's his agent, it's not impossible, but it's unorthodox
for a superstar American athlete. You call his mom, you
call him. It's weird and some teams don't want to
deal with that. The second thing is he's got a
lot of injuries at the end of the last two years.
That's a problem. And number three is he's become kind
of a noisy player. Is he mad as he's sulking?
Nobody really knows. There's a lot of question marks around him.
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People don't like that. That's why Aaron Rodgers doesn't have
a big market. As he committed, is he going to play,
there's a bunch of question marks. So the Ravens are saying,
go to the market. I will say this, Atlanta makes
so much sense to me. So the NFC South is
as bad as it's ever been. It's the weakest division
(38:01):
easily in football. It's not going to be weak forever.
So when something is weak in any business that is
infrequently weak, sees the moment. If you're in any industry,
if you're like, there's a weakness in the industry, that's
the moment you capitalize, get aggressive. So he's a merchandise
(38:22):
and a newsmaking superstar quarterback in a bad division, he
would be arguably the best quarterback in the entire conference.
That day signs he's always been looking up more accurate
than anybody wants to admit. When anybody compares justin Fields
and Lamar, I'm always like time out, time out, time out,
time out. Lamar Jackson is an accurate thrower of the football.
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I'm not saying he's Mahomes in Borough. I'm not saying
he's Brady and Jalen Hurts last year. I'm not saying that.
But he's an accurate distributor of the football, more than
accurate enough. So Atlanta started accumulating tight ends about a
week ago, and my takeaway was, that's interesting. They also
Atlanta has an advantage. They have an offensive coach. So
(39:06):
remember when Cam Newton went to Belichick defensive coach. They
didn't know how to hell to use him. Belichick didn't
know how to use him. A lot of these defensive
coaches they just have no offensive sensibility. They don't know
how to use him. If you got an offensive coach,
you're gonna have a better opportunity to figure out how
to use Lamar, who's a very unique player. He is
a great player. Mom. Being an agent doesn't help. Injuries
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don't help. He's gotten noisy, a lot of mystery. That
doesn't help. But if I was Baltimore, I would try
to sign him. And if I was Atlanta, I would
run to sign him. Bad division offensive coach. They've already
got really good tight ends on a star young receiver.
And they're not paying a lot of skill players. They're
paying some people on the defensive line and a couple
(39:47):
of people on the offensive line, but they're they're not
paying a lot of their perimeter skill people. You got
room to pay, Lamar Jackson. I'll bring up the Colts again, Colin.
They just hired a head coach in Shane steik In
who's work with just and Herbert and more recently with
Jalen Hurts, a running quarterback. Also, Colts have the number
four pick in the draft. That's got to be appealing
(40:08):
to Baltimore. Considering you need to replace a quarterback. You've
got a chance to draft one very high at four.
I think the Colts get in the discussion. It'll be
interesting to see if it happens before the draft or
perhaps after the draft. Maybe the Colts draft Stroud and
package him. I don't know. I think the Colts are
the one player out there in the AFC. Very interesting.
(40:30):
I wouldn't let him go. If from Baltimore, he's good.
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