March 17, 2023 • 40 mins
Mark Schlereth joins the show to tell Colin if the Broncos are prepared to bounce back from a disappointing year in Russell Wilson's first season in Denver
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It's a Friday, live in LA. It's The Herd. Wherever
you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for
making us part of your day. The Bennett Mark Schlaret
is going to be joining us in about three or
four minutes. Yeah. The tournament USC Michigan State. I basically
take favorites now. I had Marquette winning three games. That
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was one of my dark horses. I have Marquette winning
three games, not not too many, gotta win six to
be the champ. I have them winning three. I had
Furman in an upset win. I don't have a ton
of upsets. I have Duke winning it all against Gonzaga,
that is my guess. Everybody told me Gonzaga wasn't very
good this year, and then I watched them against Saint
Mary's in the conference championship and they blew them out,
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and I'm like, man, I think they're pretty good this year,
A good coach that Jimmy's obviously a dominating player, number
one rated offense according to the efficiency numbers in the country. Yeah, yeah,
they can score on anybody. Yeah. And also when you
have the ability. So Virginia lost yesterday. Virginia scores fifty
points a game, so the margins are small. They only
have so many possessions. So if you're the more talented team,
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you want like Kansas City Chiefs, want the most possessions possible,
they feel they'll outlast you eventually and put up more points.
Gonzaga scores a lot of points, so even if they're off,
they give you eighty four points. Virginia, the way they're
built is not built for the tournament, which is we
score fifty two points. Well, the margin for error, What
are you going to hold an opponent to forty six?
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So they got caught yesterday where they outplayed a team
and got made a couple of mistakes late and lost
the game. Gonzaga gives themselves a much greater margin of error,
and Virginia doesn't shoot threes. I think they were three
for eleven from deep. That's like Steph Korey and a half.
That's it's not modern basketball. You've got to shoot the three,
especially if you play this lowdown game like you said, no,
it's it's the post office of you know, that's that's
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that's Virginia's doing stuff. That it very much nineteen seventy
eight basketball. You can win that way. But if you're
trying to win sixth straight against elite competition without NBA
guys not shooting threes, it's just like the NBA we
see some of these teams just said, you know, the
Lakers for a while, we're not into the three. Well
everybody else is. So the Lakers last ten years, they've
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had nine bad ones and the bubble years. So, like,
you can be stubborn on stuff, but I think the team.
Like one of the things I always appreciated about coach
k Is, he didn't like the one and done. Initially
he didn't like it, and then he started getting beat
by teams with one and done guys, and Coach k
Is like, all right, I'm gonna pivot. We gotta move
on this thing. I'm not gonna sit back and be stubborn.
The Warriors embrace the three first, but the smart guys,
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Daryl Morey is like, oh wow, the numbers say shoot
the three. The stubborn teams are still paying for it.
For Nick Saban at Alabama, he's like a defensive guy
and then all of a sudden, oh, these offenses are crazy.
Let me bring in the great offensive minds and boom.
Now he's I mean, if you look at Alabama football today,
it's not known for corners and linebackers. It was eight
years ago. It's known for quarterbacks and wide receivers. So
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Saban's like, I like when these older guys Shashevsky can
be in his seventies and Nick Saban and they're like, hey,
here's the you know, it's all about winning. To me,
it's not about your I think when Popovich gets stubborn
or Belichick gets stubborn, that's about ego. The smart guys
and it's see a lot of these you know why,
because college guys deal with young people, and young people
keep you fresh. So Saban's always around nineteen twenty year
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olds keeps him fresh. Mike Shshevsky, But when you become
a pro coach, Belichick and Popovitch, and you're around adults
and gms and owners and thirty five year old men
and millionaires. You start buying into your nonsense in your culture,
and Popovich and Belichick feel like they're kind of tone deaf.
I want to say this. I thought this was interesting.
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Jason Light, smart guy. Run the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You know,
they look like they're in no man's land today. Brady's retired,
they don't have an offensive coach, they don't have a
quarterback Baker Mayfield. I guess is it although it looks
like a backup role or backup contract. So here's Jason
Light talking about the Buccaneers going all in. If I
go back in time, I would do it all again.
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We pushed, We've borrowed about one hundred million dollars against
this year's cap and future cap to do what we did.
Came close the second time. But you know, if anybody
wants to criticize what they did, they can come to
any of our three homes and look at our rings.
So we're happy about that. Listen. So, and we're going
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to pursue another one too. Listen, They've rarely they're an
ill relevant franchise by and large, weird at quarterback, never
consistent in their the gap between their eighteen Super bowls.
They got the two playoff games and lost both. So
the Buccaneers are a small market, sort of a loose,
small pirate ship of a franchise, mostly forgettable. So for
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them to go all in I completely absolutely buy into.
I think it was the right thing to do. They
may not win another Super Bowl for eighteen years unless
they get Klea Williams from USC, but that's okay. That's
the franchise they are. It's not an iconic brand. It's
not Duke, Yankees, Packers, Niners, Steelers, it's not you know,
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the Rams decided to go all in two and they
may be better. In fact, they will be better this
year than Tampa, but I don't I'm interested to see
how that plays out. USC's football stadium got very empty,
very quickly. This is a not a one horsetown like Tampa.
I mean, the Rays draw flies, so it's basically a
one horsetown with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And the Rays
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are over in Saint Pete, so a lot of people
won't drive over the bridge to get there, so it's
Tampa's really big show in town. La is different. You
got to be good. The Dodgers are always good, Lincoln Riley,
you got the Lakers and the Clippers. You've got pro
soccer teams NHL. I think the Bucks are fascinating. They
went all in in a very distracted town that forgets
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about you very quickly. So the Rams going all in,
I get it. I think they're happy with it, and
I do think if Stafford plays this year and his upright,
they're gonna buy for a playoff. But Tampa, I will
defend the very end about going for it. That franchise
has never been relevant. You absolutely go for it. If
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you're the Jets with Aaron Rodgers, go for it. You're
not as big as the Giants, you're not as big
as the Yankees, you're not as iconic as the Knicks.
You go for it. Tampa goes for it, Carolina go
for it. Rams, little Dicier proposition. I think they'll rebound.
But if they don't, people forget about you in this
city very quickly. Mark Schlareth, we never forget about him,
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three rings, multiple time pro bowler. So you're in Denver.
I was talking to a friend a couple days ago,
and I said, the one team in the league, you know,
free agency, about thirty five percent of them hit, about
sixty five percent don't. The one team I absolutely know
will be better is Denver. I thought, as a former
offensive lineman, I think they've done a good job. How's
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it landing in Denver? Oh? I think it's in Denver
right now. People are pretty excited about it. And I think,
you know, one of the textures of my radio show
texted this in, so I can't take credit for it,
but he was one hundred percent right. The Denver Broncos
has spent a quarter of a billion dollars to overcome
the quarter of a billion dollar mistake they made last year.
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It's all about mitigating Russell Wilson and not making Russell
Wilson win the game for you. It's getting back to
what Russell Wilson does well. Is controlling the line of scrimmage.
It's running the ball, is using multiple tight end sets,
it's having a real life fullback. It's about football players.
And anytime you talk to Sean Payton, you meet with
Sean Payton, he'll sit there and say, man, I like
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this football player, this football player, this football player. It's
not about athletes. And I think one of the things
that John Peyton did was a real evaluation of this roster,
like a real football coach evaluation of the roster, and
where a lot of people were saying over the last
couple of years, Oh, this roster is really good. They're
only a quarterback away. They're just a quarterback away. I
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was saying, hey, listen, they've gone after athletes, they haven't
gone after football players. And there is a big difference.
In my mind. Calling football is easy for football players.
It's really difficult for athletes. And I think that's why
you look at the trading block right now. You look
at all the receivers on the Broncos receiving corps, all
of them are up for trade right now. He is
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trying to move pieces. He is trying to get real
live football players, to slow this game down, to condense
this game, take some of that pressure off of Russell Wilson.
So the Jets Green Bay situation is interesting. Aaron's good,
he's polarizing. So it's been dominating our shell, perhaps not
as much today. I you know, for years and years
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there was this sense that if you were the union
leader on your team, it was not good for your
career that the owners had a long memory and many
good players Kevin Mawhi, a lot of good guys that
were union leaders suddenly didn't get the contract offers. And
so you know, never forget who runs the league. It's
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the shield, it's the owners. So Green Bay's got the
leverage with the Jets and they're in absolutely apparently no
hurry to make a move. Do you think deep down
they feel marginalized and manipulated the last two years and
they're doing this for a reason. They don't have to hurry,
and they're gonna make Aaron suffer a little. I don't
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know that they want to make him suffer, but they
definitely want to try to maximize the value. So then
you have to ask yourself what is the value? What
is the value in regards to draft picks and potential
compensation from that standpoint versus the value of just getting
that number off your salary cap. And so you know,
I think the Jets are in that game, like, hey, dude,
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you can't carry that number on your salary cap. So
eventually you've got to make a deal with us, and
we're not going to give you the capital that maybe
the Broncos gave a thirty four year old quarterback in
Russell Wilson last year, I think thirty three at the time,
turn thirty four. But you know, Rogers about to turn forty.
So I think there's that game of chicken that's being
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played right now. I think eventually they'll, you know, they'll
figure out what that fair compensation is. But I just
don't think it's the same market from a compensation standpoint
in regards to draft picks and players that it was
last year for a younger quarterback in Wilson, even though
Aaron Rodgers is far more accomplished. If you were the Packers,
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I'm the Jets, what would you demand? What do you
think is fair value for Aaron? You're the GM of
the Packers. I just don't think you're going to get
multiple first round picks. I think a first round pick,
you know, maybe a player to be named, maybe a
rounder to go with it. Like that to me feels
like that's fair compensation. So I just don't think it's
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multiple picks for a guy that maybe plays one maybe
two years more. So listen, I'm I'm all in on
Aaron rogis going to the Jets. I think the Jets
are a good young football team. I love Robert Soli,
their head coach. I think he gets the most out
of his players. They've got a great defense, and they've
got some good, young, offensive, talented players. And so I
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look at this, you push it into the middle. You
do what Tampa Bay did. You go out there and
you see if you can't win a super Bowl. I
think that's a I think that's a fair expectation to
either compete for that division title or at least be
a wild card team and get yourself in his playoffs.
But the bottom line is, I just think from a
compensation standpoint, they're not gonna get the hull that maybe
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Seattle got from Denver last year. Lamar Jackson, if you
look at his last thirty four starts, he scored two
touch downs per game sixty one and he's twenty four
and twelve. That's the last thirty six, so maybe it
was twenty whatever the number was. He wins two out
of three games. I in a division with Joe Burrow
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and the owa's consistent Steelers and Deshaun Watson, I would
resign him. But it doesn't. I mean Baltimore is basically saying, kid,
go to the market, get an offer. We don't think
there's gonna be a bidding war. What if there is
no bidding war? I mean, I'll just ask you, what
would you do gm of the Ravens, what would you do? Well?
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I think they're playing at the Ravens are playing it
exceptionally well. They're saying, go out there, see what's out there.
You know, if you can get a big time contract,
at least we're gonna get compensated for. But we don't
believe the market for you is what you think the
market is for you. Now, one thing I do know.
You know the latest report was a three year, fully
guaranteed contract at one hundred and thirty three million dollars.
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I believe forty four and change a year. Right, let
me tell you what never happens. Players don't release information
and agents don't release information on contracts that they're not
planning to sign. So there's always whenever I hear those numbers,
I always say, okay, but what else? Like what are
we not hearing? So what are the you know, what's
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the fine prints say toward the end of that contract
or the end is there? They're added years. What else
is going on that we're not getting? Are there options
on that? So? I don't know exactly what that is,
but I think the Baltimore Ravens are basically saying, hey man,
you know, you've got to understand that the style with
which you play has proven not to be a style
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in which you can stay healthy. The last two years,
he's played twelve games each year in a seventeen game season.
I'm no mathematician, but that's missing five games. And listen,
I look at that style and say, until you can
prove that that style can win us a championship and
that you can stay healthy with that heavy run quarterback
run offense, we're just not going to reward you with
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one of those Deshaun Watson deals. Not that anybody's gonna
write another Deshaun Watson deal, I mean, for crying out loud,
I think everybody's ticked off at Jimmy has them for
writing that deal. So and then that's the other thing.
Jimmy like, at some point when you're a billionaire, don't
you change your name from Jimmy James. Yeah. I think
you grow up a little bit. They just grow up
a little bit, and quick, quick, giving off those contracts.
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But the bottom line, I don't think any owner is
going to play that game. And I think they're all
kissed off with Jimmy Haslm, Mark Schlareth, multiple rings, multiple
Pro Bowls. He's stopping buy in Denver. Good good. I
think Chicago's helped themselves and the Broncos in the AFC
have helped themselves noticeably. Good seeing you Mark YouTube call
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take everybody. I mean, he went and got Chicago did
a great job. They got DJ Moore vertical presence. He'll
be their number one. Robert Tonyan the tight end from
the Packers along with Cole Comet, so you have two
viable tight think about Chicago from the middle of last
year until now, like it's been six months, Cole Comet,
Robert Tanyan, DJ Moore, Darnell Mooney, Chase Claypool. That's pretty good.
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Now they missed out in the right tackle. They can
draft that. Their old line wasn't as bad as the
Bear fans want to convince you it was. But it's
like the Bears now. Their weaknesses now are on defense.
They got playmakers on offense. Tanyan's are very good number
two tight end and they have multiple twos. I think
they have multiple fives. So I think Chicago in the
NFC and the Denver Broncos in the AFC feel like
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better football teams today. One Denver is absolutely upgraded their
old line. Chicago has upgraded their skill tight end and
wide receiver. Those teams feel better. Mike Gasecki to the
Patriots and Juju Smith Schuster. Juju is goofy and brand obsessed.
And Gisecki doesn't block, although I like him. The reason
Miami let him go because Mike McDaniel runs that Niner offense.
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They want their tight ends to block, and Gisecki doesn't block.
And so, by the way, the reason Belichick loved Gronk,
he blocked. So Gisecki's a nice target, but he's not
going to compliment the run game. So they sign him
to a one year deal and that's all he's gonna
last because he's not going to contribute on the run game.
And I like Gazecki, but there's a reason Miami let
him go even though he's a pretty good player. That
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offense is the Niners offense, and they want George Kittles.
They want guys who will grab you, hold you, let
the running back move through interesting, a lot of stealing
within the division, Hunt Gasecki Miami to New England, and
Miami stole Mike White from the Jets, and Braxton Barrios.
A lot of interchanging parts there. Huh, Well, I just
don't think. I think if you look at who really,
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I think the elevation of quarterback that's the only player
that's worth more than a point per game. Is Robert
Tanyan hurting the Packers. The Packers will likely take a
tight end in the first or second round. In fact,
you can almost guarantee it if they get a first
round pick from the Yet, yeah, they're going to take
a tight end. Michael Mayer from Notice or the kid
from YouTube, really really good tight end. So I mean,
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I think Tanyan's a nice player. I think Tanyan leaving
Green Bay hurts Green Bay less than it elevates Chicago.
He could go four or five touchdowns forty five fifty
five catches for the Bears with Cole Comet. But Chicago
has done such a good job. Ryan pulls the gem
from the end of last year, the trading deadline last year,
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and we're not even to the draft yet they've ended
the receiving dilemma, and I think they needed a second
tight end and instead of the draft, they went and
got it from the Packers, so they can concentrate. Really,
the Bears can concentrate in the draft on defense, and
they went and got a running back from Carolina who's
good enough. So, I mean the Chicago was going into
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this draft they had to fill offensive holes in defense.
Now they don't. Well, yeah, they had the most cap
money to spend ages. Let me ask you about this
Jets pick. Mark said he would give up the first,
right you give up the first? Does it is it
better for the Jets to give up the first after
the draft? We'll give you next year's one. You didn't
want to do it. We're taking our first round pick
this year to help us get better. We'll give you
next year's number one. You do the deal after the
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draft or would the Packers have it done before the
draft to get that fifteen? Well, yeah, I mean I
think the Packers want the player now for Jordan's love.
The Jets may be saying we'll give you a one
next year for Aaron. We won't give you this year.
We'll give you a three this year. And you know
the Packers look at that and think, well, a third
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round tight end. The problem with next year's pick Colin
is there's a lot of uncertainty around a thirty nine
year old quarterback. We don't know if he's going to
survive this season. He gets hurt, missus half the season,
the Jets win six or seven games, that's a top
ten pick. Now, so the Jets only have six picks.
So the Jets are probably saying, we can't give you
our first. Yeah. Now the Packers are saying, well, you
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don't have holes to fill. If you sign Aaron, you've
got an offensive tackle. They don't have a lot of holes.
Two guys on the defensive line. Um, you know, the
linebacking corps good, not great. The offensive they need a
left tackle, I mean McKay Beckton. Come on now, I
see Jonah Williams. Did you see this? The Bengals tackle
is upset and asked for a trade to the Jeff
the Bengals brought in. Well, he's gonna want big money.
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You know, his contract is significant. I don't know how
the Jets can swing him, but they could sure as
hell use a tackle. Yeah, he got banged up last year,
so he's not He's not gonna get top of the
market money Alabama kid. And if you look, he's always
been enough of a deep dive. Some of these I
think he's Alabama run. Yeah, he's okay. Some of these
Alabama kids are a little overdrafted because Alabama is always
stacked and dominating it. I was like, oh, Alabama, And
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then you look at some of the numbers. I mean,
how yesterday Raiders Raiders have done a couple of Alabama
ga Let me, let me get how many great Alabama
players because they've been a ten twelve year dynasty. How
many great Alabama players are currently in the NFL? Great
to find? I mean Josh Jacobs, is he a great
running back? That counts? Okay? So they have a top
five running back. Davante Smith is really really good, but
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he's not a top ten receiver yet. He's really good.
Who who is? Who are the best Alabamry Judy was Alabama? Right?
It has not been great yet, There's a lot of
talent there. He's fast, That doesn't make you great. He's
a great athlete. I mean, I'm just asking that's a
fair I would need to call up the last five years.
But they've had a lot of wis Derrick Henry who
took that was like eight years ago, wasn't it? It
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was a while ago? All right? So no, but I've
been around for a while. I mean, Derrick Henry is qualified. Yeah,
he's he's been great. But recently, like last three years,
not a lot of guys have popped instantly from Alex
who was who was the other one about Alex Leatherwood
the offensive line? Oh god, yeah, exactly, Like there's a
lot of that. I mean, do we need to bring
up Henry Ruggs who's no longer in the league, Like
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there's been a lot of problems. Who is that Alex
jen Wow? Jalen Waddle's a two, he's on his own team.
He's the second best receiver. I mean, I'm talking about
Alabama to bring in Tyreek Hill because he's not a
number one. Yeah, yeah, who are the great Alabama players?
It's a fair question. No, I think it's you know,
during the commercial break off, I think Josh Jacobs is
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a top three four running back, so he qualifies absolutely.
I think DeVante Smith is really really interesting. But but
again they had to bring in an Aj Brown because
he's not big enough to be a one. Yeah, it's fair.
I'm probably missing somebody off the top. We'll get it.
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or on demand whenever you like. We got into this
discussion as a staff in the break. Of all the
college football programs one hundred and thirty Division one programs,
the one program that has the most number one players
in the league is Cincinnati. They have the number one
tight end Travis Kelsey, the number one center Jason Kelsey,
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and the number one corner Sauce Gardner. Cincinnati a basketball
school for a long time. Cincinnati now Oklahoma has the
best left tackling right tackle Lsu arguably Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson,
best receiver, same school. Ohio State's got a lot of
great edge rushers, two Bosses and Chase Young, but Cincinnati.
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What's amazing about the NFL is how random it is.
I mean, the best quarterback goes to Texas tack Alabama's
probably Derek Henry's probably the best running back Josh Jacobs
is darn close I mean, the SEC is obviously well represented.
The best kicker went to Texas. Oklahoma does very well
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on the offensive line, LSU does very well on the perimeter.
But Cincinnati, the Bearcats have the best corner of the
best center and the best tight end. Of course, two
of them come from one family. So where does Jalen
Hurts technically? Is he an Alabama guy or Oklahoma guy?
I mean, if you wanted to make an argument, I
mean he's not. So your best quarterbacks often go to
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random schools. I mean, let's just the quarterback position. Texas Tech, Wyoming,
a transferred, LSU, Oregon, Clemson transferred to Oklahoma, Cal, Aaron Rodgers, Louisville,
Lamar Jackson, Cal through junior college Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson,
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NC State, and Wisconsin, I mean Watson Clemson as well.
But I mean, it's it's amazing how often the quarterback
is comes from a non traditional power. We should add
a couple of Alabama guys we missed Minca. Fitzpatrick's certainly
top five at his position. He's a top five safety Alabama.
Quinnon Williams of the Jets. Come on, don't put your
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head down. Aaron Donald I'm Quinn Williams first team All Pro.
He's got to be there. Um, I don't know. Jonathan
Allen and Payne, the two guys in Washington from Alabama,
I don't know if they're great. They're up there upper
echel It just got paid. Amari Cooper Alabama, come on,
not anymore, Calvin Ridley coming back, come on tough. Judge
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Patrick's certain he is okay. Dallas takes too many risks
for me. I like him, but I don't people get
a little hot on him. Um no, but just it
just goes to show half the league is undrafted. There
is so much football talent in America. You can talk
about moms don't want their kids to play. Look at
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where it comes from all over the place. Jamack with
the news. No, no, this is the herd line news.
So Miami introduced Jalen Ramsey yesterday after his trade from
the Rams. Ramsey's taking a lot of heat from the
media saying he's past his prime, but three time All
Pro and Super Bowl champ says, you gotta watch the take.
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You gotta really watch it. You gotta really watch it.
You know, you know, you don't become just successful with
you know, without actually doing good things on that field
and have into respect from your peers and media. And
we're gonna see what they gotta say, you know, once
we out on the field, that's that's what matter. We
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canna see what they gotta say. Yeah, look, we're trying
to be the best man when we are trying to
really worry about comparing ourselves with anybody else. We're trying
to be ourselves. When it's all saying done, then we
can talk about we can we can go over all
of that, and we can go over all of what
people say. Well, we'll keep their seats and we'll go
back over all of that, you know, when it's all
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satting done after the fact. You know, that's what I've
been doing. He is a playmaking, big physical corner. There
are almost no corners in the league that play with
his physicality. He takes some big swings. But my only
question is do you need to pay two corners a ton. Well,
we'll see what happens with Zavian Howard. There's some chatter
maybe they get off that contract. Okay, well, but but
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he I didn't think he had a great year, But
it wasn't the disaster people made it out to be.
He is a long, physical, playmaking corner. It's not like
the Rams wanted to get rid of him. They wanted
picks and they had to get rid of salary because
match Stafford's cost that. I'm a fortunate If he's so good,
why did he only fetch a third round pick? Um?
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I know the contractor was onerous. Well, can I make
this argument Miami got a little bit of a steal.
I mean, he is going to be in a short
list of Pro bowlers at corner next year and they
gave up a third round pick and a backup to
a backup tight end. It is possible Miami won the trade.
You could say that now Vic Fozio is the defensive
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coordinator who was great fit. Maybe he really wanted if
he take we gotta get him. By the way, here's
the other thing, and that needs to be noted. Miami
now has maybe the best defensive coordinator in football in
Vic Fangio. Yeah, so I get Jalen Ramsey with a
great coat, and you could say motivated Jalen rams My
takeaway again, if you told me who won this deal,
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I would say Miami won to steal. Well, yeah, because
they didn't give up much, but the contract is you know, well,
they got two big years to pay. But again, if
he's a pro Bowl level guy, Ben, it's it's worth them.
We'll see how Ramsey does in South Beach. He is
known to get after it, as he says, by the way,
he went to Florida State get after it in Tallahassee too.
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He was fine. I'll stop there before talking about teammates,
sisters and stuff. Okay, moving on to the NBA where
Lebron Man. He's been out since March second with a
foot injury. Earlier this week, Johann Buha of The Athletic
reported Lebron could return for the final week of the
regular season, but Colin Brian Windhorst says, not so fast.
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My friend, Lebron is not close to returning from what
I am told. I know everybody said three weeks, but
I think it was a very clear three weeks is
when he's going to get the reevaluation. I didn't mean
he's coming back in three weeks, and didn't I know
that Lebron has played through injuries in the past. I'm
not one percent sure this is an injury you can
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play through. I think the Lakers. It's only getting worse
and worse for the Lakers. Then it's been ten years
and there's been one really good year, but they want
a title now. Somebody compared the Lakers tenure with Lebron
to the UVA basketball team in the last few years.
First round loss, first round, lost the first round. Last
they know by the way, they won a championship. I mean,
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Lakers fins, You've got to take this right. I know
at least twelve NBA teams would say, wait, is it
you're telling me I can miss the playoffs, missed the playoffs,
win a title and losing the first round or second round.
I'll sign up for that in a heartbeat. Yeah, but
that's Lake Houston Rockets. Yeah, the Laker Yeah, of course,
and winning a game in the tournament's big for Firman,
it's not for Duke. The Lakers brand is historically relevant,
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so it's not a well run organization. It's listened. This
is not a knock. All my sources in the NBA,
none of them think the Lakers are a well run organization.
It's friends and family in the building. When Lebron got there,
they were at rock bottom. I think they had like
five straight losing, awful seasons and Lebron got him a title. Well,
what do we It's hard to listen. I'm not going
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to discount. Well, I guess I am the hardball had
one bad year at Michigan COVID year like the COVID year,
it's hard for me. I mean literally, there was no fans,
there were staffs were limited. It was just the whole
COVID championship stuff. So we're not putting an asterisk by it,
but we're just saying something I don't. I mean, I
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would say a COVID championship is less than a strike
shortened season championship where I think Duncan won one, didn't
he And everybody said, oh, like a strike shortened season.
I mean, it's just fewer games. It doesn't mean the
games don't count like COVID was. Literally it went to
the bubble and all the veteran teams like you rooted
because they were away from their kids and their friends
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and their puff. And guess what, Lebron is a veteran
away from his kids and wife. And that was a
tough one. Man. I've never been sequestered like that before,
have you. It's like jury duty times a thousand. They
were in a bubble. They could not leave their room. Colin,
I'm getting tested for this every day. I just I
just don't think it's a well run Frenchy. That's harsh
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Man Lebron. I hope you're watching all right. Final story.
Nicola Yokich has been the MVP front runner for most
of the season, averaging a triple double. Apparently, Joel and
Beat is coming on strong. Fox Bet has bumped him
ahead of Yokich. Is the MVP favorite. That to me
is insane. Uh and Beat minus one ten. You see
on the screen Yoki plus one thirty. So you bet
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one hundred bucks, you win one hundred and thirty if
you take Yokich. I'm surprised how much the media cares
about this. You got to talk about something you can't
talk about like half the NBA right now because a
lot of teams stink. I just ty Jannis is the
best player. I'd give m b the MVP. How's that
they've been red hot? Team You hear that, Denver, you
hear that more more respect. I think Yoki is fine.
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Just think m bast the Eastern com prints at the
top is better than the Western Conference between the Calves
and the Celtics and the Sixers and the Bucks in Miami,
I think the East is better at the top, and
Mbad's leading the NBA and scoring, I would give it
to mb You got a six ten European who looks
like you're pool cleaner, and he's averaging a triple double
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in the NBA the greatest athletes on the planet, and
he's not the MP. I'm not a huge triple double guy,
I'm really not nobody, and you're averaging tennessis per team.
The game literally has never been done before. It's a
very finesse league. Let me let me ask you this.
If I could get not a triple double from Yokich,
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but he was a significantly better defender, would I take
it tomorrow. He's a liability on the defensive end. That's
what I always said with Westbrook. Oh he's a triple double. Yeah,
he's atrocious defensively in the worst tens I've ever seen
for a guard. If you told me he wasn't a
triple double, but he was a double double and a
great defender, I would take that into seconds. Westbrook is
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a complete, utter liability defensively and Yokich is too. What
makes Jana's the best player is on any given nineties,
the best player on both ends. So the idea of
a triple double, it's just all offensive stats, some of
them sort of geared toward, you know, stat compilation. If
you gave me fewer rebounds with him and but a
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tremendous defend like I'll give you an example, four minutes
Anthony Davis, elite defender and shot locker, rebounder, elite offensive player,
not going to give you the assists, not going to
hit the twenty two footer. But in a big game
down the stretch, Anthony Davis will be more forceful inside
and more forceful defensively, and better on the glass. I
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would take him for four minutes to go in the
game over Yoki, who is a complete liability on the defense.
I think we get it. You're not liability is a
decent word for Yoki's defensively. But you could collect all
the center over the last decade, and Yokich is a
better passer than all of it. Would you always our
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venus a bonus? He was a great passer, never got
a title, And I don't need my center to be
a great passer. I don't care. I want my center
to be able to finish at the rim and defend.
I want him to be Yannis eight feet in. It's
over and you're not getting to the tin. I don't
care if my center it's a nice additive. If my
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center can pass, I don't want him to have bad hands.
I don't need him to be our Vetus, Bill Walton
or Yo Kinch. It's like saying, ever, go when you
have a cell phone and they sell you. Go to
Verizon or something and they have a cell phone and
they show you all these things it does, and I'm like,
what's the storage? Does it? Can I call somebody and
get a call? Does it have a good camera? I
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care about three things. Does it have internet? I don't
care about ninety percent of what the cell phone gives me.
You go get a car. It's got this, it's got this,
it's got this. I'm like, does it drive well? So
you're not a belt? What do I get kind of
I'm not a bells and whistle. I don't care that
my center's the best passer in the sport. Be better
against I want my guys. You get Anthony Davis down
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low Duncan downlow, Anthony Davis downlow, Kareem down Laws don't
want to be download. He grew up as a guard.
He's made it clear at every stop, but he doesn't
want to play center. But he's a very good he can,
he just doesn't want to. I got nothing against passing.
It is icing. I'm looking for kit score and be
hard to score. Yannis love has me thinking about a
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question I saw on the internet. It's just ten seconds.
If you put Yannis, who you love, defensive an offensive
on any sixteen seed in the NCAA tournament, could they
get to the final four? They would dominate the tournament
all the way? Yeah? With it on a sixteen seed.
David Robinson played for the Midshipman of Navy. I watched
him live in college. He made Navy biable, right, so
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Yannis could take like they would dominate the tournament. Larry
Bird took Indiana State to the championship game waiting name.
I can name two other players on that team. Can
you name another player on that team? Absolutely? Okay, there
you go. Well, I don't know if I was born yet. Listen,
you think Yannis honestly could carry a sixteen seed to
the final four. Furman seen Okay, I'm talking about like
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Texas State Community Collar or whatever they are, Texas CC.
I mean they're playing the team that got boat raised
by Alabamia. Yea, yeah, they could take with nis the
score sixty five points. He scores thirty three in the NBA.
He scored against the night team year old. I think
because I didn't think he could do it, and hearing you,
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I'm like, maybe there's a case he could dominate J
Mack with the news. Well that's the news and thanks
for stopping. I mean, the third line against the world's
best players and beat averages thirty three at night. What
is he averaging against NC State? He's sixty five points.
The rest of the guys can score each have one
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you know, the media can tell you how great you
are blah blah blah, But are you on the open market?
Who would go get you? Lamar Jackson is essentially now
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on the open market. And I like Lamar, but he's
got no takers. If Mahomes was on the open market,
everybody would have been on him. If Josh Allen was,
if Justin Herbert was, if Trevor Lawrence was, as if
Burrow was. I think there's a growing belief that if
Jalen Hurts was on the market, there'd be a lot
of takers. Lamar doesn't have any. That's that's that is
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something right like that that. I mean, you know, if
you're a va if even broadcasting guys, I've known men
and women who have been on the market, they'll have
multiple suitors. I don't know it, just it seems like
to me, the top producers in Hollywood, the top directors,
there's multiple you know, movie studios after him, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Prime,
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bidding wars, the entire NFL's a quarterback league. Lamar's out
there right now for the taking. No bidders, I mean,
the offer, the non exclusive tag gotta pay him thirty
two million a year to make a bid. So why
aren't the coltson on Lamar Jackson. Give me one good
reason why they would not make a move on Lamar
jack Because they have the number what four pick number
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five pick or four pick, so they have to have
the number four pick. They're takeaway as we're gonna get
one of these quarterbacks. But there's no star quarterback in
this league because it is gonna win next year, right,
so there's nobody that you like. It just goes best everything. CJ.
Strout could become anything close to Lamar Jackson. Will he
win an MVP in his career? Will he go to
the playoffs three straight years? C J Strout? No, okay,
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so what are we doing? No? I believe that Bryce
Young is the most polished and ready to play now
right now, he can play and if he plays with
a decent old line and gets protection, Bryce Young can
move the chains. There is some special with him, his awareness,
in his accuracy, He's very nimble. I don't see a
lot of wow with c J. Strout. He feels like
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a B student. His arms okay, his mobility's okay. His
accuracy is good. But it's Ohio State receivers. They're wide
open and Richardson's got is a fascinating athlete, very raw.
He's probably most fascinating the Carolina right now. They're probably
looking at him with Frank Reich's history of like taking
guys that make mistakes, Carson Wentz, Andrew Luck, Philip Rivers.
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He's a refiner, he's a polisher. So I think Carolina
is probably looking at Anthony Richardson and thinking, our coach,
this is what he does. Or you take Bryce Young.
Will Levis is too mechanical. The people I talk to
think he's too muscular, a little bit too mechanical, too
much into his body. He's just too stiff. So he's
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I don't think he's a number one pick. DJ Stroud isn't.
There's not enough special Bryce, Bryce Young and Richardson. There's
some wow then so CJ. Stroud. If you put him
on like the Niners, with that supporting cast and that defense, boom,
that's a home run. C J. Strout could have success.
But he's not going there, right we I think we
would agree he can't. I don't see him going to
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some random franchise and all of a sudden, in a
few years he's a top ten quill. No, Lamar Jackson
is a top ten quarterback. You can have him. You
just have to give him a fully guaranteed deal for
like three years. Yeah, I would Washington, I would Atlanta
I would, cults, I would. I would. I'm one of Baltimore.
I would. Now, I'll give you guaranteed, but smaller. I'm
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not giving you fifty million a year guaranteed, but I don't.
I don't know what Lamar's agents saying, but three years,
one hundred and fifty mill Why would you not take
all of that guaranteed? Even if his mom's his agent.
I don't know when his mom's telling him, but like
one hundred fifty million dollars can be yours, why are
you not taking that? Well, they have an off I've
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four minutes. Yeah. The tournament USC Michigan State. I basically
take favorites now. I had Marquette winning three games. That
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was one of my dark horses. I have Marquette winning
three games, not not too many, gotta win six to
be the champ. I have them winning three. I had
Furman in an upset win. I don't have a ton
of upsets. I have Duke winning it all against Gonzaga,
that is my guess. Everybody told me Gonzaga wasn't very
good this year, and then I watched them against Saint
Mary's in the conference championship and they blew them out,
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and I'm like, man, I think they're pretty good this year,
A good coach that Jimmy's obviously a dominating player, number
one rated offense according to the efficiency numbers in the country. Yeah, yeah,
they can score on anybody. Yeah. And also when you
have the ability. So Virginia lost yesterday. Virginia scores fifty
points a game, so the margins are small. They only
have so many possessions. So if you're the more talented team,
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you want like Kansas City Chiefs, want the most possessions possible,
they feel they'll outlast you eventually and put up more points.
Gonzaga scores a lot of points, so even if they're off,
they give you eighty four points. Virginia, the way they're
built is not built for the tournament, which is we
score fifty two points. Well, the margin for error, What
are you going to hold an opponent to forty six?
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So they got caught yesterday where they outplayed a team
and got made a couple of mistakes late and lost
the game. Gonzaga gives themselves a much greater margin of error,
and Virginia doesn't shoot threes. I think they were three
for eleven from deep. That's like Steph Korey and a half.
That's it's not modern basketball. You've got to shoot the three,
especially if you play this lowdown game like you said, no,
it's it's the post office of you know, that's that's
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that's Virginia's doing stuff. That it very much nineteen seventy
eight basketball. You can win that way. But if you're
trying to win sixth straight against elite competition without NBA
guys not shooting threes, it's just like the NBA we
see some of these teams just said, you know, the
Lakers for a while, we're not into the three. Well
everybody else is. So the Lakers last ten years, they've
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had nine bad ones and the bubble years. So, like,
you can be stubborn on stuff, but I think the team.
Like one of the things I always appreciated about coach
k Is, he didn't like the one and done. Initially
he didn't like it, and then he started getting beat
by teams with one and done guys, and Coach k
Is like, all right, I'm gonna pivot. We gotta move
on this thing. I'm not gonna sit back and be stubborn.
The Warriors embrace the three first, but the smart guys,
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Daryl Morey is like, oh wow, the numbers say shoot
the three. The stubborn teams are still paying for it.
For Nick Saban at Alabama, he's like a defensive guy
and then all of a sudden, oh, these offenses are crazy.
Let me bring in the great offensive minds and boom.
Now he's I mean, if you look at Alabama football today,
it's not known for corners and linebackers. It was eight
years ago. It's known for quarterbacks and wide receivers. So
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Saban's like, I like when these older guys Shashevsky can
be in his seventies and Nick Saban and they're like, hey,
here's the you know, it's all about winning. To me,
it's not about your I think when Popovich gets stubborn
or Belichick gets stubborn, that's about ego. The smart guys
and it's see a lot of these you know why,
because college guys deal with young people, and young people
keep you fresh. So Saban's always around nineteen twenty year
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olds keeps him fresh. Mike Shshevsky, But when you become
a pro coach, Belichick and Popovitch, and you're around adults
and gms and owners and thirty five year old men
and millionaires. You start buying into your nonsense in your culture,
and Popovich and Belichick feel like they're kind of tone deaf.
I want to say this. I thought this was interesting.
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Jason Light, smart guy. Run the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You know,
they look like they're in no man's land today. Brady's retired,
they don't have an offensive coach, they don't have a
quarterback Baker Mayfield. I guess is it although it looks
like a backup role or backup contract. So here's Jason
Light talking about the Buccaneers going all in. If I
go back in time, I would do it all again.
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We pushed, We've borrowed about one hundred million dollars against
this year's cap and future cap to do what we did.
Came close the second time. But you know, if anybody
wants to criticize what they did, they can come to
any of our three homes and look at our rings.
So we're happy about that. Listen. So, and we're going
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to pursue another one too. Listen, They've rarely they're an
ill relevant franchise by and large, weird at quarterback, never
consistent in their the gap between their eighteen Super bowls.
They got the two playoff games and lost both. So
the Buccaneers are a small market, sort of a loose,
small pirate ship of a franchise, mostly forgettable. So for
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them to go all in I completely absolutely buy into.
I think it was the right thing to do. They
may not win another Super Bowl for eighteen years unless
they get Klea Williams from USC, but that's okay. That's
the franchise they are. It's not an iconic brand. It's
not Duke, Yankees, Packers, Niners, Steelers, it's not you know,
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the Rams decided to go all in two and they
may be better. In fact, they will be better this
year than Tampa, but I don't I'm interested to see
how that plays out. USC's football stadium got very empty,
very quickly. This is a not a one horsetown like Tampa.
I mean, the Rays draw flies, so it's basically a
one horsetown with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And the Rays
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are over in Saint Pete, so a lot of people
won't drive over the bridge to get there, so it's
Tampa's really big show in town. La is different. You
got to be good. The Dodgers are always good, Lincoln Riley,
you got the Lakers and the Clippers. You've got pro
soccer teams NHL. I think the Bucks are fascinating. They
went all in in a very distracted town that forgets
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about you very quickly. So the Rams going all in,
I get it. I think they're happy with it, and
I do think if Stafford plays this year and his upright,
they're gonna buy for a playoff. But Tampa, I will
defend the very end about going for it. That franchise
has never been relevant. You absolutely go for it. If
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you're the Jets with Aaron Rodgers, go for it. You're
not as big as the Giants, you're not as big
as the Yankees, you're not as iconic as the Knicks.
You go for it. Tampa goes for it, Carolina go
for it. Rams, little Dicier proposition. I think they'll rebound.
But if they don't, people forget about you in this
city very quickly. Mark Schlareth, we never forget about him,
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three rings, multiple time pro bowler. So you're in Denver.
I was talking to a friend a couple days ago,
and I said, the one team in the league, you know,
free agency, about thirty five percent of them hit, about
sixty five percent don't. The one team I absolutely know
will be better is Denver. I thought, as a former
offensive lineman, I think they've done a good job. How's
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it landing in Denver? Oh? I think it's in Denver
right now. People are pretty excited about it. And I think,
you know, one of the textures of my radio show
texted this in, so I can't take credit for it,
but he was one hundred percent right. The Denver Broncos
has spent a quarter of a billion dollars to overcome
the quarter of a billion dollar mistake they made last year.
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It's all about mitigating Russell Wilson and not making Russell
Wilson win the game for you. It's getting back to
what Russell Wilson does well. Is controlling the line of scrimmage.
It's running the ball, is using multiple tight end sets,
it's having a real life fullback. It's about football players.
And anytime you talk to Sean Payton, you meet with
Sean Payton, he'll sit there and say, man, I like
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this football player, this football player, this football player. It's
not about athletes. And I think one of the things
that John Peyton did was a real evaluation of this roster,
like a real football coach evaluation of the roster, and
where a lot of people were saying over the last
couple of years, Oh, this roster is really good. They're
only a quarterback away. They're just a quarterback away. I
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was saying, hey, listen, they've gone after athletes, they haven't
gone after football players. And there is a big difference.
In my mind. Calling football is easy for football players.
It's really difficult for athletes. And I think that's why
you look at the trading block right now. You look
at all the receivers on the Broncos receiving corps, all
of them are up for trade right now. He is
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trying to move pieces. He is trying to get real
live football players, to slow this game down, to condense
this game, take some of that pressure off of Russell Wilson.
So the Jets Green Bay situation is interesting. Aaron's good,
he's polarizing. So it's been dominating our shell, perhaps not
as much today. I you know, for years and years
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there was this sense that if you were the union
leader on your team, it was not good for your
career that the owners had a long memory and many
good players Kevin Mawhi, a lot of good guys that
were union leaders suddenly didn't get the contract offers. And
so you know, never forget who runs the league. It's
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the shield, it's the owners. So Green Bay's got the
leverage with the Jets and they're in absolutely apparently no
hurry to make a move. Do you think deep down
they feel marginalized and manipulated the last two years and
they're doing this for a reason. They don't have to hurry,
and they're gonna make Aaron suffer a little. I don't
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know that they want to make him suffer, but they
definitely want to try to maximize the value. So then
you have to ask yourself what is the value? What
is the value in regards to draft picks and potential
compensation from that standpoint versus the value of just getting
that number off your salary cap. And so you know,
I think the Jets are in that game, like, hey, dude,
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you can't carry that number on your salary cap. So
eventually you've got to make a deal with us, and
we're not going to give you the capital that maybe
the Broncos gave a thirty four year old quarterback in
Russell Wilson last year, I think thirty three at the time,
turn thirty four. But you know, Rogers about to turn forty.
So I think there's that game of chicken that's being
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played right now. I think eventually they'll, you know, they'll
figure out what that fair compensation is. But I just
don't think it's the same market from a compensation standpoint
in regards to draft picks and players that it was
last year for a younger quarterback in Wilson, even though
Aaron Rodgers is far more accomplished. If you were the Packers,
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I'm the Jets, what would you demand? What do you
think is fair value for Aaron? You're the GM of
the Packers. I just don't think you're going to get
multiple first round picks. I think a first round pick,
you know, maybe a player to be named, maybe a
rounder to go with it. Like that to me feels
like that's fair compensation. So I just don't think it's
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multiple picks for a guy that maybe plays one maybe
two years more. So listen, I'm I'm all in on
Aaron rogis going to the Jets. I think the Jets
are a good young football team. I love Robert Soli,
their head coach. I think he gets the most out
of his players. They've got a great defense, and they've
got some good, young, offensive, talented players. And so I
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look at this, you push it into the middle. You
do what Tampa Bay did. You go out there and
you see if you can't win a super Bowl. I
think that's a I think that's a fair expectation to
either compete for that division title or at least be
a wild card team and get yourself in his playoffs.
But the bottom line is, I just think from a
compensation standpoint, they're not gonna get the hull that maybe
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Seattle got from Denver last year. Lamar Jackson, if you
look at his last thirty four starts, he scored two
touch downs per game sixty one and he's twenty four
and twelve. That's the last thirty six, so maybe it
was twenty whatever the number was. He wins two out
of three games. I in a division with Joe Burrow
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and the owa's consistent Steelers and Deshaun Watson, I would
resign him. But it doesn't. I mean Baltimore is basically saying, kid,
go to the market, get an offer. We don't think
there's gonna be a bidding war. What if there is
no bidding war? I mean, I'll just ask you, what
would you do gm of the Ravens, what would you do? Well?
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I think they're playing at the Ravens are playing it
exceptionally well. They're saying, go out there, see what's out there.
You know, if you can get a big time contract,
at least we're gonna get compensated for. But we don't
believe the market for you is what you think the
market is for you. Now, one thing I do know.
You know the latest report was a three year, fully
guaranteed contract at one hundred and thirty three million dollars.
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I believe forty four and change a year. Right, let
me tell you what never happens. Players don't release information
and agents don't release information on contracts that they're not
planning to sign. So there's always whenever I hear those numbers,
I always say, okay, but what else? Like what are
we not hearing? So what are the you know, what's
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the fine prints say toward the end of that contract
or the end is there? They're added years. What else
is going on that we're not getting? Are there options
on that? So? I don't know exactly what that is,
but I think the Baltimore Ravens are basically saying, hey man,
you know, you've got to understand that the style with
which you play has proven not to be a style
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in which you can stay healthy. The last two years,
he's played twelve games each year in a seventeen game season.
I'm no mathematician, but that's missing five games. And listen,
I look at that style and say, until you can
prove that that style can win us a championship and
that you can stay healthy with that heavy run quarterback
run offense, we're just not going to reward you with
(14:07):
one of those Deshaun Watson deals. Not that anybody's gonna
write another Deshaun Watson deal, I mean, for crying out loud,
I think everybody's ticked off at Jimmy has them for
writing that deal. So and then that's the other thing.
Jimmy like, at some point when you're a billionaire, don't
you change your name from Jimmy James. Yeah. I think
you grow up a little bit. They just grow up
a little bit, and quick, quick, giving off those contracts.
(14:28):
But the bottom line, I don't think any owner is
going to play that game. And I think they're all
kissed off with Jimmy Haslm, Mark Schlareth, multiple rings, multiple
Pro Bowls. He's stopping buy in Denver. Good good. I
think Chicago's helped themselves and the Broncos in the AFC
have helped themselves noticeably. Good seeing you Mark YouTube call
(14:48):
take everybody. I mean, he went and got Chicago did
a great job. They got DJ Moore vertical presence. He'll
be their number one. Robert Tonyan the tight end from
the Packers along with Cole Comet, so you have two
viable tight think about Chicago from the middle of last
year until now, like it's been six months, Cole Comet,
Robert Tanyan, DJ Moore, Darnell Mooney, Chase Claypool. That's pretty good.
(15:15):
Now they missed out in the right tackle. They can
draft that. Their old line wasn't as bad as the
Bear fans want to convince you it was. But it's
like the Bears now. Their weaknesses now are on defense.
They got playmakers on offense. Tanyan's are very good number
two tight end and they have multiple twos. I think
they have multiple fives. So I think Chicago in the
NFC and the Denver Broncos in the AFC feel like
(15:38):
better football teams today. One Denver is absolutely upgraded their
old line. Chicago has upgraded their skill tight end and
wide receiver. Those teams feel better. Mike Gasecki to the
Patriots and Juju Smith Schuster. Juju is goofy and brand obsessed.
And Gisecki doesn't block, although I like him. The reason
Miami let him go because Mike McDaniel runs that Niner offense.
(16:01):
They want their tight ends to block, and Gisecki doesn't block.
And so, by the way, the reason Belichick loved Gronk,
he blocked. So Gisecki's a nice target, but he's not
going to compliment the run game. So they sign him
to a one year deal and that's all he's gonna
last because he's not going to contribute on the run game.
And I like Gazecki, but there's a reason Miami let
him go even though he's a pretty good player. That
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offense is the Niners offense, and they want George Kittles.
They want guys who will grab you, hold you, let
the running back move through interesting, a lot of stealing
within the division, Hunt Gasecki Miami to New England, and
Miami stole Mike White from the Jets, and Braxton Barrios.
A lot of interchanging parts there. Huh, Well, I just
don't think. I think if you look at who really,
(16:45):
I think the elevation of quarterback that's the only player
that's worth more than a point per game. Is Robert
Tanyan hurting the Packers. The Packers will likely take a
tight end in the first or second round. In fact,
you can almost guarantee it if they get a first
round pick from the Yet, yeah, they're going to take
a tight end. Michael Mayer from Notice or the kid
from YouTube, really really good tight end. So I mean,
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I think Tanyan's a nice player. I think Tanyan leaving
Green Bay hurts Green Bay less than it elevates Chicago.
He could go four or five touchdowns forty five fifty
five catches for the Bears with Cole Comet. But Chicago
has done such a good job. Ryan pulls the gem
from the end of last year, the trading deadline last year,
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and we're not even to the draft yet they've ended
the receiving dilemma, and I think they needed a second
tight end and instead of the draft, they went and
got it from the Packers, so they can concentrate. Really,
the Bears can concentrate in the draft on defense, and
they went and got a running back from Carolina who's
good enough. So, I mean the Chicago was going into
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this draft they had to fill offensive holes in defense.
Now they don't. Well, yeah, they had the most cap
money to spend ages. Let me ask you about this
Jets pick. Mark said he would give up the first,
right you give up the first? Does it is it
better for the Jets to give up the first after
the draft? We'll give you next year's one. You didn't
want to do it. We're taking our first round pick
this year to help us get better. We'll give you
next year's number one. You do the deal after the
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draft or would the Packers have it done before the
draft to get that fifteen? Well, yeah, I mean I
think the Packers want the player now for Jordan's love.
The Jets may be saying we'll give you a one
next year for Aaron. We won't give you this year.
We'll give you a three this year. And you know
the Packers look at that and think, well, a third
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round tight end. The problem with next year's pick Colin
is there's a lot of uncertainty around a thirty nine
year old quarterback. We don't know if he's going to
survive this season. He gets hurt, missus half the season,
the Jets win six or seven games, that's a top
ten pick. Now, so the Jets only have six picks.
So the Jets are probably saying, we can't give you
our first. Yeah. Now the Packers are saying, well, you
(18:53):
don't have holes to fill. If you sign Aaron, you've
got an offensive tackle. They don't have a lot of holes.
Two guys on the defensive line. Um, you know, the
linebacking corps good, not great. The offensive they need a
left tackle, I mean McKay Beckton. Come on now, I
see Jonah Williams. Did you see this? The Bengals tackle
is upset and asked for a trade to the Jeff
the Bengals brought in. Well, he's gonna want big money.
(19:15):
You know, his contract is significant. I don't know how
the Jets can swing him, but they could sure as
hell use a tackle. Yeah, he got banged up last year,
so he's not He's not gonna get top of the
market money Alabama kid. And if you look, he's always
been enough of a deep dive. Some of these I
think he's Alabama run. Yeah, he's okay. Some of these
Alabama kids are a little overdrafted because Alabama is always
stacked and dominating it. I was like, oh, Alabama, And
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then you look at some of the numbers. I mean,
how yesterday Raiders Raiders have done a couple of Alabama
ga Let me, let me get how many great Alabama
players because they've been a ten twelve year dynasty. How
many great Alabama players are currently in the NFL? Great
to find? I mean Josh Jacobs, is he a great
running back? That counts? Okay? So they have a top
five running back. Davante Smith is really really good, but
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he's not a top ten receiver yet. He's really good.
Who who is? Who are the best Alabamry Judy was Alabama? Right?
It has not been great yet, There's a lot of
talent there. He's fast, That doesn't make you great. He's
a great athlete. I mean, I'm just asking that's a
fair I would need to call up the last five years.
But they've had a lot of wis Derrick Henry who
took that was like eight years ago, wasn't it? It
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was a while ago? All right? So no, but I've
been around for a while. I mean, Derrick Henry is qualified. Yeah,
he's he's been great. But recently, like last three years,
not a lot of guys have popped instantly from Alex
who was who was the other one about Alex Leatherwood
the offensive line? Oh god, yeah, exactly, Like there's a
lot of that. I mean, do we need to bring
up Henry Ruggs who's no longer in the league, Like
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there's been a lot of problems. Who is that Alex
jen Wow? Jalen Waddle's a two, he's on his own team.
He's the second best receiver. I mean, I'm talking about
Alabama to bring in Tyreek Hill because he's not a
number one. Yeah, yeah, who are the great Alabama players?
It's a fair question. No, I think it's you know,
during the commercial break off, I think Josh Jacobs is
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a top three four running back, so he qualifies absolutely.
I think DeVante Smith is really really interesting. But but
again they had to bring in an Aj Brown because
he's not big enough to be a one. Yeah, it's fair.
I'm probably missing somebody off the top. We'll get it.
We'll get him during the commercial. One more Herd. The
Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days a
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(21:29):
or on demand whenever you like. We got into this
discussion as a staff in the break. Of all the
college football programs one hundred and thirty Division one programs,
the one program that has the most number one players
in the league is Cincinnati. They have the number one
tight end Travis Kelsey, the number one center Jason Kelsey,
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and the number one corner Sauce Gardner. Cincinnati a basketball
school for a long time. Cincinnati now Oklahoma has the
best left tackling right tackle Lsu arguably Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson,
best receiver, same school. Ohio State's got a lot of
great edge rushers, two Bosses and Chase Young, but Cincinnati.
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What's amazing about the NFL is how random it is.
I mean, the best quarterback goes to Texas tack Alabama's
probably Derek Henry's probably the best running back Josh Jacobs
is darn close I mean, the SEC is obviously well represented.
The best kicker went to Texas. Oklahoma does very well
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on the offensive line, LSU does very well on the perimeter.
But Cincinnati, the Bearcats have the best corner of the
best center and the best tight end. Of course, two
of them come from one family. So where does Jalen
Hurts technically? Is he an Alabama guy or Oklahoma guy?
I mean, if you wanted to make an argument, I
mean he's not. So your best quarterbacks often go to
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random schools. I mean, let's just the quarterback position. Texas Tech, Wyoming,
a transferred, LSU, Oregon, Clemson transferred to Oklahoma, Cal, Aaron Rodgers, Louisville,
Lamar Jackson, Cal through junior college Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson,
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NC State, and Wisconsin, I mean Watson Clemson as well.
But I mean, it's it's amazing how often the quarterback
is comes from a non traditional power. We should add
a couple of Alabama guys we missed Minca. Fitzpatrick's certainly
top five at his position. He's a top five safety Alabama.
Quinnon Williams of the Jets. Come on, don't put your
(23:43):
head down. Aaron Donald I'm Quinn Williams first team All Pro.
He's got to be there. Um, I don't know. Jonathan
Allen and Payne, the two guys in Washington from Alabama,
I don't know if they're great. They're up there upper
echel It just got paid. Amari Cooper Alabama, come on,
not anymore, Calvin Ridley coming back, come on tough. Judge
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Patrick's certain he is okay. Dallas takes too many risks
for me. I like him, but I don't people get
a little hot on him. Um no, but just it
just goes to show half the league is undrafted. There
is so much football talent in America. You can talk
about moms don't want their kids to play. Look at
(24:25):
where it comes from all over the place. Jamack with
the news. No, no, this is the herd line news.
So Miami introduced Jalen Ramsey yesterday after his trade from
the Rams. Ramsey's taking a lot of heat from the
media saying he's past his prime, but three time All
Pro and Super Bowl champ says, you gotta watch the take.
(24:49):
You gotta really watch it. You gotta really watch it.
You know, you know, you don't become just successful with
you know, without actually doing good things on that field
and have into respect from your peers and media. And
we're gonna see what they gotta say, you know, once
we out on the field, that's that's what matter. We
(25:10):
canna see what they gotta say. Yeah, look, we're trying
to be the best man when we are trying to
really worry about comparing ourselves with anybody else. We're trying
to be ourselves. When it's all saying done, then we
can talk about we can we can go over all
of that, and we can go over all of what
people say. Well, we'll keep their seats and we'll go
back over all of that, you know, when it's all
(25:31):
satting done after the fact. You know, that's what I've
been doing. He is a playmaking, big physical corner. There
are almost no corners in the league that play with
his physicality. He takes some big swings. But my only
question is do you need to pay two corners a ton. Well,
we'll see what happens with Zavian Howard. There's some chatter
maybe they get off that contract. Okay, well, but but
(25:52):
he I didn't think he had a great year, But
it wasn't the disaster people made it out to be.
He is a long, physical, playmaking corner. It's not like
the Rams wanted to get rid of him. They wanted
picks and they had to get rid of salary because
match Stafford's cost that. I'm a fortunate If he's so good,
why did he only fetch a third round pick? Um?
(26:14):
I know the contractor was onerous. Well, can I make
this argument Miami got a little bit of a steal.
I mean, he is going to be in a short
list of Pro bowlers at corner next year and they
gave up a third round pick and a backup to
a backup tight end. It is possible Miami won the trade.
You could say that now Vic Fozio is the defensive
(26:36):
coordinator who was great fit. Maybe he really wanted if
he take we gotta get him. By the way, here's
the other thing, and that needs to be noted. Miami
now has maybe the best defensive coordinator in football in
Vic Fangio. Yeah, so I get Jalen Ramsey with a
great coat, and you could say motivated Jalen rams My
takeaway again, if you told me who won this deal,
(26:58):
I would say Miami won to steal. Well, yeah, because
they didn't give up much, but the contract is you know, well,
they got two big years to pay. But again, if
he's a pro Bowl level guy, Ben, it's it's worth them.
We'll see how Ramsey does in South Beach. He is
known to get after it, as he says, by the way,
he went to Florida State get after it in Tallahassee too.
(27:19):
He was fine. I'll stop there before talking about teammates,
sisters and stuff. Okay, moving on to the NBA where
Lebron Man. He's been out since March second with a
foot injury. Earlier this week, Johann Buha of The Athletic
reported Lebron could return for the final week of the
regular season, but Colin Brian Windhorst says, not so fast.
(27:39):
My friend, Lebron is not close to returning from what
I am told. I know everybody said three weeks, but
I think it was a very clear three weeks is
when he's going to get the reevaluation. I didn't mean
he's coming back in three weeks, and didn't I know
that Lebron has played through injuries in the past. I'm
not one percent sure this is an injury you can
(28:01):
play through. I think the Lakers. It's only getting worse
and worse for the Lakers. Then it's been ten years
and there's been one really good year, but they want
a title now. Somebody compared the Lakers tenure with Lebron
to the UVA basketball team in the last few years.
First round loss, first round, lost the first round. Last
they know by the way, they won a championship. I mean,
(28:23):
Lakers fins, You've got to take this right. I know
at least twelve NBA teams would say, wait, is it
you're telling me I can miss the playoffs, missed the playoffs,
win a title and losing the first round or second round.
I'll sign up for that in a heartbeat. Yeah, but
that's Lake Houston Rockets. Yeah, the Laker Yeah, of course,
and winning a game in the tournament's big for Firman,
it's not for Duke. The Lakers brand is historically relevant,
(28:47):
so it's not a well run organization. It's listened. This
is not a knock. All my sources in the NBA,
none of them think the Lakers are a well run organization.
It's friends and family in the building. When Lebron got there,
they were at rock bottom. I think they had like
five straight losing, awful seasons and Lebron got him a title. Well,
what do we It's hard to listen. I'm not going
(29:08):
to discount. Well, I guess I am the hardball had
one bad year at Michigan COVID year like the COVID year,
it's hard for me. I mean literally, there was no fans,
there were staffs were limited. It was just the whole
COVID championship stuff. So we're not putting an asterisk by it,
but we're just saying something I don't. I mean, I
(29:31):
would say a COVID championship is less than a strike
shortened season championship where I think Duncan won one, didn't
he And everybody said, oh, like a strike shortened season.
I mean, it's just fewer games. It doesn't mean the
games don't count like COVID was. Literally it went to
the bubble and all the veteran teams like you rooted
because they were away from their kids and their friends
(29:51):
and their puff. And guess what, Lebron is a veteran
away from his kids and wife. And that was a
tough one. Man. I've never been sequestered like that before,
have you. It's like jury duty times a thousand. They
were in a bubble. They could not leave their room. Colin,
I'm getting tested for this every day. I just I
just don't think it's a well run Frenchy. That's harsh
(30:12):
Man Lebron. I hope you're watching all right. Final story.
Nicola Yokich has been the MVP front runner for most
of the season, averaging a triple double. Apparently, Joel and
Beat is coming on strong. Fox Bet has bumped him
ahead of Yokich. Is the MVP favorite. That to me
is insane. Uh and Beat minus one ten. You see
on the screen Yoki plus one thirty. So you bet
(30:34):
one hundred bucks, you win one hundred and thirty if
you take Yokich. I'm surprised how much the media cares
about this. You got to talk about something you can't
talk about like half the NBA right now because a
lot of teams stink. I just ty Jannis is the
best player. I'd give m b the MVP. How's that
they've been red hot? Team You hear that, Denver, you
hear that more more respect. I think Yoki is fine.
(30:57):
Just think m bast the Eastern com prints at the
top is better than the Western Conference between the Calves
and the Celtics and the Sixers and the Bucks in Miami,
I think the East is better at the top, and
Mbad's leading the NBA and scoring, I would give it
to mb You got a six ten European who looks
like you're pool cleaner, and he's averaging a triple double
(31:20):
in the NBA the greatest athletes on the planet, and
he's not the MP. I'm not a huge triple double guy,
I'm really not nobody, and you're averaging tennessis per team.
The game literally has never been done before. It's a
very finesse league. Let me let me ask you this.
If I could get not a triple double from Yokich,
(31:41):
but he was a significantly better defender, would I take
it tomorrow. He's a liability on the defensive end. That's
what I always said with Westbrook. Oh he's a triple double. Yeah,
he's atrocious defensively in the worst tens I've ever seen
for a guard. If you told me he wasn't a
triple double, but he was a double double and a
great defender, I would take that into seconds. Westbrook is
(32:01):
a complete, utter liability defensively and Yokich is too. What
makes Jana's the best player is on any given nineties,
the best player on both ends. So the idea of
a triple double, it's just all offensive stats, some of
them sort of geared toward, you know, stat compilation. If
you gave me fewer rebounds with him and but a
(32:22):
tremendous defend like I'll give you an example, four minutes
Anthony Davis, elite defender and shot locker, rebounder, elite offensive player,
not going to give you the assists, not going to
hit the twenty two footer. But in a big game
down the stretch, Anthony Davis will be more forceful inside
and more forceful defensively, and better on the glass. I
(32:45):
would take him for four minutes to go in the
game over Yoki, who is a complete liability on the defense.
I think we get it. You're not liability is a
decent word for Yoki's defensively. But you could collect all
the center over the last decade, and Yokich is a
better passer than all of it. Would you always our
(33:05):
venus a bonus? He was a great passer, never got
a title, And I don't need my center to be
a great passer. I don't care. I want my center
to be able to finish at the rim and defend.
I want him to be Yannis eight feet in. It's
over and you're not getting to the tin. I don't
care if my center it's a nice additive. If my
(33:27):
center can pass, I don't want him to have bad hands.
I don't need him to be our Vetus, Bill Walton
or Yo Kinch. It's like saying, ever, go when you
have a cell phone and they sell you. Go to
Verizon or something and they have a cell phone and
they show you all these things it does, and I'm like,
what's the storage? Does it? Can I call somebody and
get a call? Does it have a good camera? I
(33:48):
care about three things. Does it have internet? I don't
care about ninety percent of what the cell phone gives me.
You go get a car. It's got this, it's got this,
it's got this. I'm like, does it drive well? So
you're not a belt? What do I get kind of
I'm not a bells and whistle. I don't care that
my center's the best passer in the sport. Be better
against I want my guys. You get Anthony Davis down
(34:10):
low Duncan downlow, Anthony Davis downlow, Kareem down Laws don't
want to be download. He grew up as a guard.
He's made it clear at every stop, but he doesn't
want to play center. But he's a very good he can,
he just doesn't want to. I got nothing against passing.
It is icing. I'm looking for kit score and be
hard to score. Yannis love has me thinking about a
(34:31):
question I saw on the internet. It's just ten seconds.
If you put Yannis, who you love, defensive an offensive
on any sixteen seed in the NCAA tournament, could they
get to the final four? They would dominate the tournament
all the way? Yeah? With it on a sixteen seed.
David Robinson played for the Midshipman of Navy. I watched
him live in college. He made Navy biable, right, so
(34:55):
Yannis could take like they would dominate the tournament. Larry
Bird took Indiana State to the championship game waiting name.
I can name two other players on that team. Can
you name another player on that team? Absolutely? Okay, there
you go. Well, I don't know if I was born yet. Listen,
you think Yannis honestly could carry a sixteen seed to
the final four. Furman seen Okay, I'm talking about like
(35:19):
Texas State Community Collar or whatever they are, Texas CC.
I mean they're playing the team that got boat raised
by Alabamia. Yea, yeah, they could take with nis the
score sixty five points. He scores thirty three in the NBA.
He scored against the night team year old. I think
because I didn't think he could do it, and hearing you,
(35:39):
I'm like, maybe there's a case he could dominate J
Mack with the news. Well that's the news and thanks
for stopping. I mean, the third line against the world's
best players and beat averages thirty three at night. What
is he averaging against NC State? He's sixty five points.
The rest of the guys can score each have one
(36:00):
in basket they score seventy five points. Be sure to
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nine a Empacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and
the iHeart Radio app. And you know, I've always believed,
you know, the media can tell you how great you
are blah blah blah, But are you on the open market?
Who would go get you? Lamar Jackson is essentially now
(36:22):
on the open market. And I like Lamar, but he's
got no takers. If Mahomes was on the open market,
everybody would have been on him. If Josh Allen was,
if Justin Herbert was, if Trevor Lawrence was, as if
Burrow was. I think there's a growing belief that if
Jalen Hurts was on the market, there'd be a lot
of takers. Lamar doesn't have any. That's that's that is
(36:45):
something right like that that. I mean, you know, if
you're a va if even broadcasting guys, I've known men
and women who have been on the market, they'll have
multiple suitors. I don't know it, just it seems like
to me, the top producers in Hollywood, the top directors,
there's multiple you know, movie studios after him, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Prime,
(37:10):
bidding wars, the entire NFL's a quarterback league. Lamar's out
there right now for the taking. No bidders, I mean,
the offer, the non exclusive tag gotta pay him thirty
two million a year to make a bid. So why
aren't the coltson on Lamar Jackson. Give me one good
reason why they would not make a move on Lamar
jack Because they have the number what four pick number
(37:32):
five pick or four pick, so they have to have
the number four pick. They're takeaway as we're gonna get
one of these quarterbacks. But there's no star quarterback in
this league because it is gonna win next year, right,
so there's nobody that you like. It just goes best everything. CJ.
Strout could become anything close to Lamar Jackson. Will he
win an MVP in his career? Will he go to
the playoffs three straight years? C J Strout? No, okay,
(37:53):
so what are we doing? No? I believe that Bryce
Young is the most polished and ready to play now
right now, he can play and if he plays with
a decent old line and gets protection, Bryce Young can
move the chains. There is some special with him, his awareness,
in his accuracy, He's very nimble. I don't see a
lot of wow with c J. Strout. He feels like
(38:15):
a B student. His arms okay, his mobility's okay. His
accuracy is good. But it's Ohio State receivers. They're wide
open and Richardson's got is a fascinating athlete, very raw.
He's probably most fascinating the Carolina right now. They're probably
looking at him with Frank Reich's history of like taking
guys that make mistakes, Carson Wentz, Andrew Luck, Philip Rivers.
(38:39):
He's a refiner, he's a polisher. So I think Carolina
is probably looking at Anthony Richardson and thinking, our coach,
this is what he does. Or you take Bryce Young.
Will Levis is too mechanical. The people I talk to
think he's too muscular, a little bit too mechanical, too
much into his body. He's just too stiff. So he's
(39:00):
I don't think he's a number one pick. DJ Stroud isn't.
There's not enough special Bryce, Bryce Young and Richardson. There's
some wow then so CJ. Stroud. If you put him
on like the Niners, with that supporting cast and that defense, boom,
that's a home run. C J. Strout could have success.
But he's not going there, right we I think we
would agree he can't. I don't see him going to
(39:22):
some random franchise and all of a sudden, in a
few years he's a top ten quill. No, Lamar Jackson
is a top ten quarterback. You can have him. You
just have to give him a fully guaranteed deal for
like three years. Yeah, I would Washington, I would Atlanta
I would, cults, I would. I would. I'm one of Baltimore.
I would. Now, I'll give you guaranteed, but smaller. I'm
(39:42):
not giving you fifty million a year guaranteed, but I don't.
I don't know what Lamar's agents saying, but three years,
one hundred and fifty mill Why would you not take
all of that guaranteed? Even if his mom's his agent.
I don't know when his mom's telling him, but like
one hundred fifty million dollars can be yours, why are
you not taking that? Well, they have an off I've
heard it yet, now heard three necks
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