August 14, 2020 • 39 mins
Colin talks about MLB ratings, Russell Wilson's recent comments, and why NCAAFB needs one voice.
Guest: Jordan Palmer, Lamar Hurd
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Joy Taylor is joining me. Jordan Palmer. That's where all
these college quarterbacks go when they get out of college,
before they go to the NFL. The Jordan Palmer camp,
brother of Carson Palmer, Justin Fields at Ohio State. I'm
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not really sure I said this yesterday. I'm not sure
why I played Ohio States. Nothing against Ohio State, but
a I can get hurt, be it's gonna be crappy weather.
And see what if a bunch of buck guys peel
off and go to the NFL and I have less
of a team around me. So we'll talk good to
Jordan Palmer about that, by the way, the boycott crowd,
it's not working. Sorry, numbers are good. The baseball ratings,
by the way, are through the roof. Baseball numbers are
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way up. So the boycott crowd, they're gonna boycott NASCAR
and the baseball players kneeled and they were gonna boycott that,
and it's like, folks, you picked a bad year to boycott.
There's a lot of us are stuck at home. You
can gamble on sports now in America, so people are
watching more sports because you can gamble on them. And frankly,
let's be honest, we've had a scarcity of sports for
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six months. People want to watch sports. NFL, you're gonna
have some players kneel. They're gonna get huge numbers. Also
something happening, it's called oh ratings. Out of home ratings.
For the first time in the history of my business,
this business, you can count people who are watching games
in bars or restaurants. You've never been able to count that.
So that's a So baseball's ratings are going through the roof.
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Because young people do watch baseball, they just don't watch
it by themselves at home. They watch it in bars
with their buddies. You go to a bar in LA,
they'll watch the Dodger game with buddy. You're not gonna
watch it at home, often by yourself. So baseball writings
and they kneeled, They kneeled for the anthem are through
the roof. The other thing is America always eventually gets
it right on stuff. Gay marriage opposed, opposed twelve years ago.
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Now it's like eighty twenty in favor legalization a pot,
Oh evil you old blind, And then study show over
fifty percent of Americans legalized pod it helps chronic pain.
And the kneeling. Oh, four years ago it was with
Colin Kaepernick, it was this is the worst thing. I
just saw a study recently, like fifty seven percent of Americans,
And it's growing understand kneeling and what it means to
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you know, certain athletes. Now, I do think joy, I
do think there's a question of when can I stand
for the anthem? Like is it is it? You know?
Popovich said I'm gonna stand. Lebron said I'm not gonna
put Black Lives Matter on my jersey like and they
didn't give explanations, and I don't need them because I
think they're committed and they've they've got equity in the
in the cause. But the idea that the boycott crowd
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is always you can't do this. It's like most of us,
we like sports, We bet it, we watch it, we
have parties with it. What happens during you know, the anthem,
something on the back of a jersey. I just I
can't not enjoy myself because of that. I'm not gonna
say if you're if you're like I'm not going to
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listen to liberals, then why do you watch Netflix? Every
show is written by a liberal. I mean, if you,
if you, if you really, just I am those crazy liberals.
Every show on every network is built in Los Angeles
and New York, the most left leaning places in America.
So my point is sports is back. Everybody's watching at
NBA ratings starting Monday. Start watching the NBA ratings Monday,
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because that's when the playoffs start, and the numbers will
be fine, they'll be very, very good and very healthy. Hey, there,
weren't sports fans that we're saying that. That's right, that's right.
I mean, if it's not easy for you to give
up sports, sports fan, this is not new. By the way,
have you heard of Muhammad Ali kind of big. That
was pretty big deal. That was decades though. People also
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people also think everybody thinks just like them, Like I
don't like Lebron, you have at half the country loves him.
Remember when Kaepernick went to the Nike deal and everybody
said Nike Stock's gonna tank. Nike stock did not tank. Yeah,
because the audience that likes Nike shoes, some of them
like Kaepernick. Like, you know, if you have to go
to social media and scream about boycotting, I'm just not interested. So,
I mean, social media is a great tool to gun
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in many ways, but if you're happy with something, that
voice is generally going to be a little quieter than
if you're outrage about something, and social media offers you
a platform speak. So sometimes outrage on social media not
always explodes. It can be, and you tend to follow
people you like to hear from, so it becomes a
little bit of an echo chamber. Yeah, like miserable people
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follow miserable people and retweet miserable people. And by the way,
Bill Gates said this, like bad news and fake news
travels faster than the truth. Well, yeah, I mean, who
wants to bother with the truth these days, like conspiracy
theories are like wildfire on the internet. Yeah, well I
meant because you tube. I saw it on YouTube, so yeah,
it's true. It's got to be true, by the way.
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So Russell Wilson's a nice guy, loves the show. We
love him. He doesn't call out teammates. He doesn't. He's
had some teammates that have called him out. He never
calls him out. He's a team Guy's like Brady's a
team guy. Right, team guy. Patrick Mahomes not always happy.
Team guy. Russell Wilson team guy. This is as close
to criticizing Pete Carroll and the Seahawks as Russell Wilson does.
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He said, uh, he talked, Oh we have sounded this.
Here's Russell Wilson early in the games. You know, I
want to, you know, definitely, rather than us having to
be in the fourth quarter. I think to be at
a you know, make some stuff happen. I think we
want to. I think we have a crazy stat of
the lead of you know, I think fifty six and
oh when we have the lead, you know, and by
halftime and stuff like that. I think, you know, getting
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getting ahead is a key thing, you know, I do
definitely believe him finished and strong. I think we've won
a lot of games in the fourth quarter, and uh,
you know, been a do some fun things in the
fourth quarter and in the games. But um, you know,
let's treat every quarters the fourth, you know. And I
think that's kind of my mentality. Always Seattle trail last
year ten times at half, and that's not the way
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it works now, Thank god. Russell Wilson is the best
trailing quarterback in the league. Last year trailing late at half.
After halftime, Russell Wilson had nineteen touchdowns one pick in
one hundred and ten passer rating. He's great trailing. Most
quarterbacks are not great trailing. I mean even Aaron Rodgers
trailing his passer ratings like in the high eighties. Russell
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Wilson's is one ten. And Aaron Rodgers has a star
back and a star wide receiver in a better role
line and Aaron's great. But this goes to prove that
the truth always eventually comes out. You just have to
be patient. For years and years, it was, oh, Pete Carroll,
the leads in a doom at such a great operation,
and I kept saying, Russell Wilson's leading this. This is
not a Pete Carroll thing. I like Pete, but Pete
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got fired twice in the NFL and was seven to nine,
seven to nine in Seattle. I like Pete. I think
he's a good coach. He'll get into the Hall of Fame.
This is not a Pete story. It's a Russell Wilson story.
Pete was gonna get whacked if he didn't get Russell
Wilson because he went seven to nine, seven to nine.
If he had a losing record, which he would have
had with Matt Flynn, you don't get a fourth year
in the NFL. It's not the way it works. So
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the truth has eventually come out. Pro Football Focus is
now hammering Seattle's personnel. Bill Barnwell, ESPN's analytic Maven hammering
Seattle this week. Warren Sharp, one of the top analytic
voices in football right now in the NFL, hammering Seattle
and me America's media icon beloved by virtually everybody, has
been hammering Pete Carroll John Snyder in Seattle. This is
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not his story. It's Russell Wilson's saving of franchise. It's
very much Deshaun Watson, saving bad draft picks, saving a
horrible offensive line, and by the way, players are now
even supporting Russell Wilson. Nfl dot Com Top one hundred
lists voted on by players, they had Russell ahead of Mahomes,
they had Russell number two player in the league. Didn't
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have a lot of Seahawks beyond that. So my eyes
and my take are now being confirmed that this story,
the narrative was wrong. And I'm from Seattle, so I watched,
I read everything the Seattle Times. I'm watching, you know,
anything I can get my hands on with Seattle. I mean,
we all have our one NFL team that we're close to.
This is where I'm from. My sister didn't watch sports
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until Russell Wilson, so it's impactful in my life. But
I've always felt the narrative was wrong. Pete's a good coach,
but this has always been Seattle has always been the
story of Russell Wilson. They were seven and nine and
seven and nine before Russell and Pete was nailing the
drafts and Pete's defense was good, and Pete was alleged
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they couldn't have a winning record, forget winning, couldn't win
games it's the Russell's story. Now everybody's finally catching up
to it, and Russell, for the first time is coming
out and saying, ye'd be nice if we didn't trail
at half and have kind of a middling game plan.
In fact, listen to this step. Wilson is twelfth in
the NFL last four years in passing attempts in the
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first three quarters. Twelve, you have Russell Wilson, and you're
twelfth in passing attempts. Now fourth quarter and over time
he's top three because then Seattle didn't have a choice.
He has to save them because they're trailing. So the
truth eventually comes out. There we go, I'm on Bill
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mart to night. By the way, I hope you like it.
Maybe he won't. Don't know. It's controversial, show, very very controversial.
Bills a fan of the show. By the way, it's nice. Well,
we're a fan of his show. Watch it watching the show? Yeah,
so I yeah, I've taped. I taped it last night, right, Yeah,
I taped the interview lessons. So it's already done. But
you want to give any teasers though, Well, I could
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tell you watched the show because he said a couple
of things and you can you know, you can tell
so he but I like that he watches the show.
The only time a famous person said they had watched
my show and I didn't like it was within Condoleeza Rice,
who's amazing. She interviewed her and she goes, oh, I
listened to the herd every day, and I said, you're
running the country. Don't do that. What what are you doing? Well,
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I do this because they're running the country doesn't mean
they don't have time for leisure, right. The president Golf's
like every other day. You cannot watch my show every
morning if you're running the country. I mean, not all
three hours. Condelisa's like, oh, she was saying a bunch
of stuff, and I'm like, you have all my takes
and I love Condo Liiza Rice, But I said, you
take your takes throughout the day. I said, Condallisa, missus Rice,
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what the country is in trouble. I have a hard
time believing that anyone watches all three hours of our
show that I don't do. I mean, seriously, right, I
put my feet watch all three hours of our show.
But I think she probably meant, like in the car
Jordan Palmer's coming up. Plus, everybody's hammering the Big Ten's
commissioner this morning. Just take a deep breath. Just take
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a deep breath before you hammer the Big ten commissioner. Boy,
I was on the interweb yesterday and you're all just
taken up. Body blows for Kevin Warren. He may be
the smart guy. Before the end of this we'll figure
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I'm watching Dodgers Angels tonight. By you know, we were
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just talking about disturing the break. I've never boycotted anything.
I'm positive that I've boycotted things given my life. Did
you go public? I can't think of any of it
because I just stopped doing it. You know, I've stopped
going to a restaurant who I thought their food deteriorated
or their service deterior I boycott people all the time. Yeah,
but you don't announce it. Why does this need to
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go to Twitter and announce time boycotting sports? I mean
needy people. There's there's this idea that like, if you
don't post it or something, it's not real. It's like
an affirmation and you want to be applauded by people
that you're doing You're you're basically people who go to
Twitter to a talk boycott are insecure and needy. They
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need to be validated. You and I boycott stuff. We've
stopped going to restaurants, we bailed on friends. You don't
go to Twitter and announce you. Yeah, I've stopped. I've
stopped using different services and going to different companies because
I didn't like their values. But I just stopped doing it,
like just okay, I'm just not going to do that anymore. Yeah,
that's how I am. I stopped stuff. I stopped fairness.
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I wasn't It wasn't changing my life to not go there, right, Like,
it was just something I wanted to do out of principle,
but you don't know what they were doing, right, But like,
sports is a part of my life from the time
I was born into this world. So that's not like
and again this isn't new. This is not new. I
just think people that have to go to social media
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to proclaim their feelings are insecure. At the end, you
need to know what I think. Not really I cancel
stuff every day, Yeah I don't. I mean there's every
day I'm like, I'm done with that product. I'm for
that product. I mean, we all do that. Razors, I've
moved off razors into rags. My thing is, I just
don't believe that you are a sports fan to begin with.
Scores is too fundamental a part of my life and
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I'm too aware of the history of sports to then
all of a sudden just stop watching sports. And I'm
also like, when when people were was rampant cheating in baseball,
you didn't feel like that was the point that you
were going to like stop watching sports like this is
this is this is where this is the juncture that
you've decided to split from sports, Like Okay, there's a
lot of examples. I'm also not offended by much I mean,
I've never once ever in my life run to social
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media and said I'm offended. I'm offended by things. You
are not outraged by a lot of things. I'm not
outraged by almost anything. If you're mean to animals or children,
that pisses me off. There's a lot of things that
get me upset. But in the ends, for me, it's
more important to do actual work to change something than
to just talk about it. I don't believe in that.
I believe you should do something like there's gotta be
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more action behind your words and now that the mountains.
All that talking stuff, it's cute, but could do something. Yeah,
I don't need proclamations on stuff. If I'm over you,
I just don't take your call. I mean, just walk
that walk. That's right, walk that walk. Jordan Palmer's joining me.
You know who. Jordan Palmer is, quarterback coach Quarterback Summit.
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He's done an amazing thing since COVID has struck, Jordan
has been building a digital platform for all these quarterbacks
so they can take their careers into their hands. And
he is joining us now. Jordan Palmer via the Coward
Global Satellite Network. First of all, your lighting is fantastic.
You really appreciate that, really have good lighting. So you
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know what I was saying this. Tua said yesterday he
goes man, Ryan Fitzpatrick's unbelievable, and I said, this is
what Mahomes got with Alex Smith. We don't we don't value,
you know, we look at guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick. We're like, ah,
we're done with him. I would make an argument that
first year in the league, what an advantage to have
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Josh McCown Ryan Fitzpatrick. Do you take me to the
two of Ryan Fitzpatrick thing? And you know too, what
will it mean? Well? I know too. I also played
with Ryan Fitzpatrick early in his career at Cincinnati. And
it's just the value just doesn't show up on your
fantasy stats. It doesn't show up on schefter's tweets. It's
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all behind closed doors. But it is prevalent and as
good as some of the coaching is in the NFL
at the quarterback position and coordinators. If you lined up
one hundred quarterbacks and you ask him, who do you
learn the most football from the majority these guys would
name a veteran player before they would name a coach.
So when you have a Ryan Fitzpatrick, you have Gold.
You have better than a great quarterback coach, better than
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a good right tackle. It's somebody who can help in
every phase of the game. You know you've worked with
Josh Allen, Kyle Allen, Sam Darnold, Jarrett Stidham, Joe Burrow.
Our concern about Joe Burrow is twofold, one, no preseason,
That is a that's no good. Secondly, I think he's
going to be a little overwhelmed by Steelers front, Ravens front,
Brown's front. And I've said this with Cam. I mean
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Cam's sharing snaps in New England. Let's temper our criticism
and expectations. What are realistic Jordan Palmer expectations considering the division,
no OTAs, no no preseason, what is realistic with Joe Burrow?
What will you see? And you think, okay, that's encouraging. Well,
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you know we have kind of a similar comp here
on this. Uh. When I ended my time with the
Bengals in twenty eleven, Andy Dalton was an incoming rookie.
He was a second round pick. They had no OTAs,
we had a lockout and the whole team had to
learn a new offense. That was Jay Gruden's first year
coordinating for the Bengals. Andy Dalton led that team to
the playoffs and went to a Pro Bowl. And I
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don't think anybody would disagree when I said that Joe
Burrow is far more a lot further along than Andy
entering the league than Andy Dalton was. The difference is
is Andy got to work with his teammates, We held
workouts as teammates, but he wasn't allowed to talk to
his coaches. Joe Burrow was not really allowed to work
out with his teammates because of COVID, but on Zoom
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installations he was allowed to work with his coaches and
talk to his coaches. I think advantage goes to Joe Burrow,
so he's further along, and I think he had a
better offseason than Andy had nine years ago. So my
expectations for Joe Burrow is that he has a really
high completion percentage. I don't know many games they're gonna win,
because I don't know how good this team is, but
I see him finding completions, not turning it over a lot,
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and actually, despite no preseason, being as confident as you
can imagine a rookie being starting Week one. I said
this yesterday about Justin Fields. He had forty one ts
three picks. He he doesn't need to beat perdue to
end up getting to be a top five pick. He's
a two twenty five ten rushing touchdowns, lively arm. He
looks like twenty twenty NFL football. If I got to
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pick and Trevor Lawrence is off the board, you know
I'm gonna take him. I don't think he needs to
play at Ohio State. I worry about injuries. I worry
about Buckeye players going to the NFL opting out so
he didn't have the good players around him. I worry
about god plan January February and Columbus, Ohio it's lousy weather.
And I also think that January February March is when
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these young quarterbacks go to camps like hers and get
this incredibly instrumental growth and refinement before they, you know,
get drafted. What would you advise Justin Fields as a
college quarterback who's already a top ten pick, regardless of
if he plays for the Buckeyes this year. If he
asked your opinion, what would you say, Well, there's three
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guys in here, and Justin Fields is one of them.
Trevor's another. And there's a guy that's gonna be really
talked about, Colin. We're gonna be talking about him at time.
That's Tree Lance out of North Dakota Stea. Yeah, another
guy who I think is he's done right now. He's
a first round pick. Those three guys, really, Trey and
Justin are only coming off one year of really playing.
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And I know Justin was a Georgia and all that,
but really one year of being the guy and it
went exceptionally well for both of them. For Justin and Trey,
if they if they have to play two more potential
football seasons with a long offseason just to get drafted
where they're already projected to go right now, then I
think they should bail. They should start getting ready, and
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they should take advantage of being able to watch, sit
and watch this NFL season. This isn't about I wouldn't
do draft training in January February March. I'd start in
three weeks and really start with the season. Take advantage
of each week going through the film prep Monday, last
five games, Tuesday, base pressures, Wednesday, sub pressures, Thursday, third Down, Friday,
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red Zone all the stuff that NFL quarterbacks do from
a film study each week, I'd be doing that. From
a throwing standpoint, I wouldn't be spending a lot of
time working on my forty yard dash right now. I'd
work on overspeed. I'd worily work on tuning in mechanics
in a way that incoming rookie quarterbacks have never had
this much time to do. So. While I cost them
a year of playing, and I think everybody benefits from playing,
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it does not mean that they cannot develop over the
next seven months. Yeah, you know you've worked with Darnald
and Josh Allen. Josh Allen right now has, in my opinion,
a much better defense. I think Buffalo's got great structure,
Sam Darnald, I mean Mosley's opted out, Jamal gone. There's
a lot of noise in that organization that worries me.
Do you worry about when should I start worrying about
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a Sam Darnold or a young quarterback? Because listen, we
know what sometimes bumpy. We know it may take a
year to start. But I'm getting to the point with
Sam Darnald. Did I love him, But I think to myself,
how much chaos can he overcome. Is there a point
where where we should be worried that Darnald just can't
overcome a lot of the nonsense he's dealing with around him. Well,
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I would still say it's early. You know, he's this
is heading into his third year. And when you get
drafted number third, three overall, when you get drafted high,
most of the time this isn't you know, this isn't
some insider expert. But most of the time you get
drafted how you're going to an organization that's rebuilding. Sometimes
that means they have a new coach. Sometimes that means
they have a new GM. Sometimes that means they have
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a complete overhaul. And I don't know, the Niners pick
second overall three years ago. Sometimes they're just picking high
for you know, for good luck. In this case, they've
got a lot of new They've got a second year GM,
second year head coach, big pieces like Leveon Bell coming
into year two, and then some guy's key departures. Whether
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that's like mostly with the opt out or Jamal Lewis
getting traded. This is definitely a rebuild. But this is
where these guys earned these big second contract I always
tell these guys and I've told this to Sam. You know,
you don't get paid a big second contract because the
touchdowns you throw in the games you win. You do
it because of all the stuff you go through the
sea and ghost the mono, getting roasted in the media,
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all the world caving in on him, the losses, and
then rising above that having a big year three being
the reason that the storm is weathered, and then throwing
touchdown passes and winning games. So Sam, right now, I
don't look at it like he's in trouble. I look
at like he's earning it and he is really shaping
himself into how he's gonna be a franchise veteran quarterback
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for the next fifteen years. By those where you earn it. Yeah,
you're lighting? Is it his lighting? Exceptional joy? Look at him?
He is the best looking guy getting So you have
the Quarterback Summit digital platform, so you can't you can't
be around all these guys. So you're you created something.
So tell me what this is. Well, really, simply, it's
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just catching up with twenty twenty. Every kid in school
just learned how to zoom and learned how to learn
online from their teachers, and from there a lot of
the sports, and so for me, I took everything that
was in my head and all the experience that I
have and I created a bunch of content. So there's
a lot of content in the qbsum of digital platform,
so physically, mentally, emotionally drills things to think about in
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two minute situations every aspect of the game. Most of
these high school kids, they're not taught who's blocking who upfront?
You know what is a five man protection? So I've
got content on that. But also every week I do
zoom meetings with the group, with the members, and so
it's very current what's happening right now. And there's an
issue right now with recruiting. Kids aren't really sure what
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they can do to get recruited. Schools aren't flying around
and recruiting, and so we just we use this platform
to really connect with the guys on a weekly basis
and really the ones who want it and really want
to make it. Now there's really no excuse because I've
got every drill I've ever done with any of your
favorite quarterbacks are now available to these young guys as well. Well.
You do a great service for all these young kids.
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Jordan Palmer, quarterback coach, Quarterback Summer helps quarterbacks reach their
potential ultimately high school to college to pro. Good talking
to you, buddy, Yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks Joy
You bet at guys. M drive from end dot com.
Mdrivemen dot com. Want to get leaner, a little tired
putting on some white mdrivermen dot Com. You know another
thing here. It's interesting a football topic. So Big ten
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canceled football. Pac twelve did too, But the Big ten's
a bigger conference right in the middle of the country
Ohio State, Michigan. I'm a West Coast guy, but Big
ten's bigger than the Pac twelve. Everybody's crushing Kevin moren
Just be careful. There was a commissioner named Adam Silver
on March eleventh who canceled the NBA. Do you remember
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Mark Cuban's reaction to that. We were all shocked. It's
Rudy Gobert. It's one player. Adam Silver was right. I'm
not saying I do think you can play football through COVID.
You're gonna have multiple players test positive because they're not
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going to get it at the facility. That's not where
they're gonna get it. They're gonna get it from students
on campus, they're going to get it at home. You know,
you're part of a community, a collective when you're in college.
But you know, if the Big twelve, the ACC and
the SEC call it off in a month, we have
a death, something unravels. I don't predict a death, but
if it starts unraveling, then the Big ten guy was
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ahead of everybody. Adam Silver got a lot of crap.
He's overreacting. I mean, it's one player. And now we
look and it's like, this is why reading matters. He
was in New York City. He was seeing what was
happening on the ground in New York City. He was
reading about it in various periodicals and newspapers, and Adam
Silver had all his connections. Remember it struck New York
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City first. And he's in New York City and he's
watching the masks and he's watching the deaths and he's like,
we're out on this. So you know, I'm not. I
don't know Kevin Warren, but I will say this. The
only thing that worried me is Mark Emmert had the
strangest quote yesterday because I've said the college football needs
a a CEO or a president. It's got to have
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a unified voice. Mark Emmert had a bite yesterday and
it's like he was listening to our show. He said,
people love the concept of a tzar, but they hate tzars.
Authoritarianism is really a fun concept. It just sucks when
people have to live under it. I'm not advocating for
Vladimir Putin. I'm just asking for leadership. That's like saying
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all presidents in the US are authoritarians. That's That's not
what I'm saying. I'm saying Nick Saban is kind of
a zar at Alabama works well. Mike Shashevsky's kind of
a friendly zar at Duke works well. Belichick sort of
Azar it works. It's not that you can't have multiple voices.
But when you got one conference worried about this, another
conference worried about that, one playing nine conference games, one
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playing eight conference games. Some listening to this medical advice,
some listening to that medical advice. Leadership matters. It's why
the UFC surpassed boxing because they had Dana White, they
had a leader in boxing, just had promoters out for themselves.
Nobody said they want Putin. The crazy thing here is
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it's just five different Power five conferences, all going in
different directions. I like opinions from lots of people, but
I want somebody to go this is what we're doing.
And Emritt yesterday said I have no control over any
of this stuff. I can't get how it's a two
billion dollar business. How do you not have control of it?
That be like Fox being like, you know, we spend
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a zillion dollars a year for the NFL, but we
have no control over the broadcast. We fight every day
with the NFL. We're calling him and saying we want
to do this, this, this, not that that that you
fight for it. You have a centralized voice in Roger Goodell.
We have a centralized voice at Fox, although both of
them have a bunch of vice presidents and voices and
opinions and information. But those centralized voices meet disgusts and
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solve problems. College football can't solve problems because there's no unified,
centralized voice. Joy the news. No, no, no, this is
the herd line news. Authoritarianism is a really fun concept,
is really wild sentence, Like whoever was like, I would
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love to live in an authoritarian society. Yeah, it's not
a great content not good at all. Nor is that
the idea that we're proposing and we're not. And we
had we did. We said, CEO, we're not czar people
here on the Show's yes, I'm not a huge zar person.
I don't even like the way it's spelled. Scene A
Z is always confused. Man. So Lebron has spent seventeen
(28:37):
years in the NBA and just added another first to
his incredible career. The Lakers regular season ended yesterday, and
Lebron finished the year leading the league and assists for
the first time with ten point two per game. This
is also the first time he's finished the regular season
averaging double digit assists. His career high was nine point
one in the twenty seventeen eighteenth season with the Calves,
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so even this along in his career, he is still
reaching new milestones. Um, I think it's cool. It's again.
I'm not as down on the Lakers as I think
everybody else's I don't. I think that the Lakers are
kind of trying to figure out if Kuzma is really
gonna be I was told their guy told this this morning.
Be a text. They are scared about Portland. They know
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it's a problem. They know they have matchup problems with
the Blazers. Frank Vogel knows at the staff knows it.
I'm I'm kind of on nick right side on this.
I love Portland. They're great team. Damian Lillard has been
playing MVP level of basketball. He's incredible to watch. I
just don't know what they have for Lebron James. So
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we've got a little beef in the NFL. Callin little fun,
little fun, little beef going on. Jamal Adams is no
longer a member of the Jets defense following the trade
to the Seahawks, and Jets defensive coordinator Greg Williams took
a shot at Seattle and discussing how his team will
move on without the star safety Jamal made me get
more there because they don't use their safety type things.
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Of all the different complexities of maybe maybe not showing
what they're doing as much as we do. Well. Pete
Carroll was asked about William's comments, and he had some
fun with his response. You don't have it okay, Well,
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he said, let's just pass it back. We don't make
as many mistakes as he does. Let's let him have
a chance to come back. We might as let do
something coast to coast that will be fun. We're so
simple here and basic, we probably won't get to any
of that stuff and make the idea. He also kind
of sooked the fire, saying, come on, Greg, fireback, let's
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have some fun with this. So he's kind of joking,
but also Greg Williams talks a lot too much for
my taste. Greg Williams is a you know, a talk
talk talk guy. Pete knows what he's doing on defense.
I may think Pete is anequated on offense. I don't
love what he does offensive lines, but defensively, Pete's you know,
he has a history of that was their identity in Seattle,
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USC was a lot of Reggie Bush talk. But the
key with USC was they would they they were aggressive
and they would handcuff you offensively. Well we'll get to
see or maybe here a little more of this in
week fourteen when the Jets played the Seahawks in Seattle.
But yeah, fun little bit to get a season started
joy with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
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for stopping by the herd line Lamar heard is the
Blazers Portland Blazers TV analysts, Some thoughts, his thoughts on
what we're watching with Portland and their matchup with the
Lakers that's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter not a Empacific
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Lamar Heard is a Blazers television analyst, starting point guard
at Oregon State from two thousand and two to two
thousand and six. I have a soft spot for the Blazers,
having worked in port for years, and he is now
joining US Live to talk about a team that now
faces Memphis for the right to face potentially the Lakers. Lamar,
let's start with this. Dame is in the Pacific Northwest.
(32:12):
We see him over the last two weeks in the bubble.
You're there every night. Is this mostly what you get
every night? Or has he been elevated and special in
this mini bubble We get a form of this pretty
much every night. But without question, Colin, this season for
Dame has been the best of his career. We see
all the logo shots. The name logo Lillards started floating
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around last season. In the All Star Game, Dame had
those big threes late in the game. It was his
first All Star game where he was a part of
the closing lineup, and so that's where nationally the logo
shots really picked up steam. But we get a chance
to see it in training camp, in practices behind closed doors.
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He can pull up from half court. He's able to
tap into levels of that a lot of players can.
So to answer your question, we get a certain version
of this throughout the year, but it is definitely picked
up this season to a level that we have yet
to see. Are you surprised, or I should say, how
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surprised are you by Carmelo Anthony's impact? Yeah, I'm not
very surprised from this standpoint. So it's it's fair to
question when Carmelo got back into the league how things
would look because we all heard tons of stories and
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without being a part of the organizations he was a
part of, you just really didn't know what the situation was.
And so when he joined I felt optimistic about it
because going back to who you just asked me about,
Damian Lillard, I feel that Damian Lillard and I've said
this multiple times calling and I get backlash from people
that support other teams when I say this at times,
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but it's something that I know will continue to reveal
itself as time goes on. I believe Damian Lillok is
the best leader in sports, and I believe that any
locker room Damian Lillo is a part of will be
a highly functioning locker room. Terry Stots in his coaching staff,
I believe one of the best staffs in basketball and
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the type of environment that they facilitate helps anybody. So
now you're talking about a Hall of Famer in Carmelo,
who has the respect of all his peers. I was
optimistic that everything would work out. Did I know that
Carmelo would be somebody who would join the Blazers roster
early this season and be someone that they would rely
upon for wins. I don't know that I saw that
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coming necessarily, because the Blazers rely on their back court.
They rely on their same position you should Nurkage, But
as you know, Nerk's been out for a long part
of the season. So when Carmelo joined a team, he
was someone that they started to run offense through. The
games would slow down at times and a half courts
at because they post, mellow up or grow pick and
pop and has made game winners He's made big clinching
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shots in a fourth quarter. He has been an exceptional
teammate all across the board. Everything you hear about him
and his experience here in Portland is all positive. They
got to get through Memphis together. I can imagine Memphis
is like tired of hearing how the Blazers are going
to play the Lakers. Are you worried that they play
Memphis one? They'll be exhausted after the weekend. The Lakers
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are well rusted. What don't we know about the Blazers
Memphis matchup? Are you confident for Portland? I'm confident, but
there is there's reason for a little concern just from
the standpoint of yeah, they've been playing hard to get
to this point, and I'd say more so. Memphis is
one of those teams because of how they play, particularly
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on the offensive end. They're one of the tougher teams
for the Blazers to defend, because they can go five
outsprey the floor and just drive you and force you
to have to defend over and over again. And because
the Blazers are without their best perimeter defender and Trevor
Ariza in Orlando, it is going to be in a challenge.
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The main thing, Colin that I'll be looking forward to
is how does Job Morant shoot the basketball? Because in
the first matchup between these two and a regular season
down in Memphis, the Blazers were playing their traditional pick
and roll defense, which is they like to get the
guard over the top, they dropped the big, they try
to force a contested two in the mid range. Well,
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John Morant was picking out a part. And then in
a second half the Blazers started to jam that screen,
go underneath it invite the three point shot, and John
Morant went oh five from the three point line, and
he really struggled. And then in the first game in
the Orlando seating here when the Blazers played Memphis, they
found some relative success against morand in the first half.
He got loose in the second half, but he wasn't
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shooting the basketball the way that if he does shoot
the basketball well and knockdown shots, causes a lot of
problems because it ignites their offense and it can make
things really difficult. So I think, Colin, if they can
kind of hold Job, keep him under control, not let
him really get loose, I feel a lot better about
the Blazers chances in that game. Okay, Blazers Lakers, your
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thoughts on the matchup about a minute and a half left.
What worries you about that? The thing that used to
worry being about that was the size. So the first
two matchups of twenty two in the regular season were
two games in Portland, and the Lakers overwhelmed the Blazers
with their size. The front line was just too much,
and it's been too much for a lot of the league.
That's why their first place in the West. Yeah. However,
in the third matchup between these two, the Blazers had
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Winning Gabriel, a youngster out of Kentucky, and then also
Trevor Ariza, so that size when he went to LA,
and then Damian Lillard, playing like a madman, hung forty
eight points on her heads in LA. That's the game
the Blazers won. So again, no Trevor Ariza in that matchup. However,
you have used to Nurkis back. You got Zach Collins,
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so you have that size to combat it. I think
it'd be a great matchup if the Blazers can get there. Yeah,
tell you what, Portland by the time they get to
the Lakers, if they if they get through Memphis. Man,
they have. They have played close games, long games, tight games,
intense games. They that first game against the Lakers, that
Portland gets there, they could be a little bit of
a shot fighter. Okay, Lamar heard Blazer voice former Oregon
(38:17):
State Beaver. It's great having you on the show. I've
heard you, now, I see you, and I appreciate you
being on. Thanks for having me, all right, Lamar heard.
Blazers have had some great announcers during the year, so
we'll see. It's just interesting. Portland's been one of those
teams joy every game fields a playoff game, and the
Lakers about it was for them because they're trying to
get right, so they've like so the Blazers, it's not
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Lakers checked out about four games ago they played really
hard against the Clippers, and they played hard the next
game after that. I mean it was was it Denver.
You could see the falloff and the intensity once they
locked up the number ones. Yeah, you can see it
from Milwaukee, the Clippers, the Lakers the last three games.
They just don't care. Portland is totally in playoff mode. Actually,
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every game in the bubble, I mean every game in
the bubbles, so it's like, you know, Portland's like Phoenix,
like they just had to win every night out. So
it'll be very interesting if they go this weekend to
Memphis and they they have to beat Memphis, um just once.
They gotta beat Memphis once. Okay, Memphis has to beat
them twice. So Portland get to win, but they're not
gonna get there. Not gonna be easy. Now, when do
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they play Memphis tomorrow? Okay, so they get one day off.
They play Memphis Saturday, then they get a day off.
They play the Lakers, okay, Tuesday, so that's another day out.
That's a bright I mean it means on Portland is
these are wild games for Portland. I mean, yes, that
game last night was encore. We're in August. Sports world's
heating up. So or am I do it yourself projects
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(00:25):
be here our two or live in LA. This is
the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. We're on Fox Sports Radio. We're on FS one.
Joy Taylor is joining me. Jordan Palmer. That's where all
these college quarterbacks go when they get out of college,
before they go to the NFL. The Jordan Palmer camp,
brother of Carson Palmer, Justin Fields at Ohio State. I'm
(00:46):
not really sure I said this yesterday. I'm not sure
why I played Ohio States. Nothing against Ohio State, but
a I can get hurt, be it's gonna be crappy weather.
And see what if a bunch of buck guys peel
off and go to the NFL and I have less
of a team around me. So we'll talk good to
Jordan Palmer about that, by the way, the boycott crowd,
it's not working. Sorry, numbers are good. The baseball ratings,
by the way, are through the roof. Baseball numbers are
(01:08):
way up. So the boycott crowd, they're gonna boycott NASCAR
and the baseball players kneeled and they were gonna boycott that,
and it's like, folks, you picked a bad year to boycott.
There's a lot of us are stuck at home. You
can gamble on sports now in America, so people are
watching more sports because you can gamble on them. And frankly,
let's be honest, we've had a scarcity of sports for
(01:29):
six months. People want to watch sports. NFL, you're gonna
have some players kneel. They're gonna get huge numbers. Also
something happening, it's called oh ratings. Out of home ratings.
For the first time in the history of my business,
this business, you can count people who are watching games
in bars or restaurants. You've never been able to count that.
So that's a So baseball's ratings are going through the roof.
(01:51):
Because young people do watch baseball, they just don't watch
it by themselves at home. They watch it in bars
with their buddies. You go to a bar in LA,
they'll watch the Dodger game with buddy. You're not gonna
watch it at home, often by yourself. So baseball writings
and they kneeled, They kneeled for the anthem are through
the roof. The other thing is America always eventually gets
it right on stuff. Gay marriage opposed, opposed twelve years ago.
(02:14):
Now it's like eighty twenty in favor legalization a pot,
Oh evil you old blind, And then study show over
fifty percent of Americans legalized pod it helps chronic pain.
And the kneeling. Oh, four years ago it was with
Colin Kaepernick, it was this is the worst thing. I
just saw a study recently, like fifty seven percent of Americans,
And it's growing understand kneeling and what it means to
(02:37):
you know, certain athletes. Now, I do think joy, I
do think there's a question of when can I stand
for the anthem? Like is it is it? You know?
Popovich said I'm gonna stand. Lebron said I'm not gonna
put Black Lives Matter on my jersey like and they
didn't give explanations, and I don't need them because I
think they're committed and they've they've got equity in the
in the cause. But the idea that the boycott crowd
(02:59):
is always you can't do this. It's like most of us,
we like sports, We bet it, we watch it, we
have parties with it. What happens during you know, the anthem,
something on the back of a jersey. I just I
can't not enjoy myself because of that. I'm not gonna
say if you're if you're like I'm not going to
(03:19):
listen to liberals, then why do you watch Netflix? Every
show is written by a liberal. I mean, if you,
if you, if you really, just I am those crazy liberals.
Every show on every network is built in Los Angeles
and New York, the most left leaning places in America.
So my point is sports is back. Everybody's watching at
NBA ratings starting Monday. Start watching the NBA ratings Monday,
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because that's when the playoffs start, and the numbers will
be fine, they'll be very, very good and very healthy. Hey, there,
weren't sports fans that we're saying that. That's right, that's right.
I mean, if it's not easy for you to give
up sports, sports fan, this is not new. By the way,
have you heard of Muhammad Ali kind of big. That
was pretty big deal. That was decades though. People also
(04:01):
people also think everybody thinks just like them, Like I
don't like Lebron, you have at half the country loves him.
Remember when Kaepernick went to the Nike deal and everybody
said Nike Stock's gonna tank. Nike stock did not tank. Yeah,
because the audience that likes Nike shoes, some of them
like Kaepernick. Like, you know, if you have to go
to social media and scream about boycotting, I'm just not interested. So,
I mean, social media is a great tool to gun
(04:22):
in many ways, but if you're happy with something, that
voice is generally going to be a little quieter than
if you're outrage about something, and social media offers you
a platform speak. So sometimes outrage on social media not
always explodes. It can be, and you tend to follow
people you like to hear from, so it becomes a
little bit of an echo chamber. Yeah, like miserable people
(04:43):
follow miserable people and retweet miserable people. And by the way,
Bill Gates said this, like bad news and fake news
travels faster than the truth. Well, yeah, I mean, who
wants to bother with the truth these days, like conspiracy
theories are like wildfire on the internet. Yeah, well I
meant because you tube. I saw it on YouTube, so yeah,
it's true. It's got to be true, by the way.
(05:04):
So Russell Wilson's a nice guy, loves the show. We
love him. He doesn't call out teammates. He doesn't. He's
had some teammates that have called him out. He never
calls him out. He's a team Guy's like Brady's a
team guy. Right, team guy. Patrick Mahomes not always happy.
Team guy. Russell Wilson team guy. This is as close
to criticizing Pete Carroll and the Seahawks as Russell Wilson does.
(05:27):
He said, uh, he talked, Oh we have sounded this.
Here's Russell Wilson early in the games. You know, I
want to, you know, definitely, rather than us having to
be in the fourth quarter. I think to be at
a you know, make some stuff happen. I think we
want to. I think we have a crazy stat of
the lead of you know, I think fifty six and
oh when we have the lead, you know, and by
halftime and stuff like that. I think, you know, getting
(05:47):
getting ahead is a key thing, you know, I do
definitely believe him finished and strong. I think we've won
a lot of games in the fourth quarter, and uh,
you know, been a do some fun things in the
fourth quarter and in the games. But um, you know,
let's treat every quarters the fourth, you know. And I
think that's kind of my mentality. Always Seattle trail last
year ten times at half, and that's not the way
(06:09):
it works now, Thank god. Russell Wilson is the best
trailing quarterback in the league. Last year trailing late at half.
After halftime, Russell Wilson had nineteen touchdowns one pick in
one hundred and ten passer rating. He's great trailing. Most
quarterbacks are not great trailing. I mean even Aaron Rodgers
trailing his passer ratings like in the high eighties. Russell
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Wilson's is one ten. And Aaron Rodgers has a star
back and a star wide receiver in a better role
line and Aaron's great. But this goes to prove that
the truth always eventually comes out. You just have to
be patient. For years and years, it was, oh, Pete Carroll,
the leads in a doom at such a great operation,
and I kept saying, Russell Wilson's leading this. This is
not a Pete Carroll thing. I like Pete, but Pete
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got fired twice in the NFL and was seven to nine,
seven to nine in Seattle. I like Pete. I think
he's a good coach. He'll get into the Hall of Fame.
This is not a Pete story. It's a Russell Wilson story.
Pete was gonna get whacked if he didn't get Russell
Wilson because he went seven to nine, seven to nine.
If he had a losing record, which he would have
had with Matt Flynn, you don't get a fourth year
in the NFL. It's not the way it works. So
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the truth has eventually come out. Pro Football Focus is
now hammering Seattle's personnel. Bill Barnwell, ESPN's analytic Maven hammering
Seattle this week. Warren Sharp, one of the top analytic
voices in football right now in the NFL, hammering Seattle
and me America's media icon beloved by virtually everybody, has
been hammering Pete Carroll John Snyder in Seattle. This is
(07:37):
not his story. It's Russell Wilson's saving of franchise. It's
very much Deshaun Watson, saving bad draft picks, saving a
horrible offensive line, and by the way, players are now
even supporting Russell Wilson. Nfl dot Com Top one hundred
lists voted on by players, they had Russell ahead of Mahomes,
they had Russell number two player in the league. Didn't
(07:59):
have a lot of Seahawks beyond that. So my eyes
and my take are now being confirmed that this story,
the narrative was wrong. And I'm from Seattle, so I watched,
I read everything the Seattle Times. I'm watching, you know,
anything I can get my hands on with Seattle. I mean,
we all have our one NFL team that we're close to.
This is where I'm from. My sister didn't watch sports
(08:22):
until Russell Wilson, so it's impactful in my life. But
I've always felt the narrative was wrong. Pete's a good coach,
but this has always been Seattle has always been the
story of Russell Wilson. They were seven and nine and
seven and nine before Russell and Pete was nailing the
drafts and Pete's defense was good, and Pete was alleged
(08:42):
they couldn't have a winning record, forget winning, couldn't win
games it's the Russell's story. Now everybody's finally catching up
to it, and Russell, for the first time is coming
out and saying, ye'd be nice if we didn't trail
at half and have kind of a middling game plan.
In fact, listen to this step. Wilson is twelfth in
the NFL last four years in passing attempts in the
(09:04):
first three quarters. Twelve, you have Russell Wilson, and you're
twelfth in passing attempts. Now fourth quarter and over time
he's top three because then Seattle didn't have a choice.
He has to save them because they're trailing. So the
truth eventually comes out. There we go, I'm on Bill
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mart to night. By the way, I hope you like it.
Maybe he won't. Don't know. It's controversial, show, very very controversial.
Bills a fan of the show. By the way, it's nice. Well,
we're a fan of his show. Watch it watching the show? Yeah,
so I yeah, I've taped. I taped it last night, right, Yeah,
I taped the interview lessons. So it's already done. But
you want to give any teasers though, Well, I could
(09:45):
tell you watched the show because he said a couple
of things and you can you know, you can tell
so he but I like that he watches the show.
The only time a famous person said they had watched
my show and I didn't like it was within Condoleeza Rice,
who's amazing. She interviewed her and she goes, oh, I
listened to the herd every day, and I said, you're
running the country. Don't do that. What what are you doing? Well,
(10:06):
I do this because they're running the country doesn't mean
they don't have time for leisure, right. The president Golf's
like every other day. You cannot watch my show every
morning if you're running the country. I mean, not all
three hours. Condelisa's like, oh, she was saying a bunch
of stuff, and I'm like, you have all my takes
and I love Condo Liiza Rice, But I said, you
take your takes throughout the day. I said, Condallisa, missus Rice,
(10:29):
what the country is in trouble. I have a hard
time believing that anyone watches all three hours of our
show that I don't do. I mean, seriously, right, I
put my feet watch all three hours of our show.
But I think she probably meant, like in the car
Jordan Palmer's coming up. Plus, everybody's hammering the Big Ten's
commissioner this morning. Just take a deep breath. Just take
(10:54):
a deep breath before you hammer the Big ten commissioner. Boy,
I was on the interweb yesterday and you're all just
taken up. Body blows for Kevin Warren. He may be
the smart guy. Before the end of this we'll figure
that out. Coming up one more Herd. The Herd streams
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(11:16):
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I'm watching Dodgers Angels tonight. By you know, we were
(11:38):
just talking about disturing the break. I've never boycotted anything.
I'm positive that I've boycotted things given my life. Did
you go public? I can't think of any of it
because I just stopped doing it. You know, I've stopped
going to a restaurant who I thought their food deteriorated
or their service deterior I boycott people all the time. Yeah,
but you don't announce it. Why does this need to
(11:58):
go to Twitter and announce time boycotting sports? I mean
needy people. There's there's this idea that like, if you
don't post it or something, it's not real. It's like
an affirmation and you want to be applauded by people
that you're doing You're you're basically people who go to
Twitter to a talk boycott are insecure and needy. They
(12:20):
need to be validated. You and I boycott stuff. We've
stopped going to restaurants, we bailed on friends. You don't
go to Twitter and announce you. Yeah, I've stopped. I've
stopped using different services and going to different companies because
I didn't like their values. But I just stopped doing it,
like just okay, I'm just not going to do that anymore. Yeah,
that's how I am. I stopped stuff. I stopped fairness.
(12:41):
I wasn't It wasn't changing my life to not go there, right, Like,
it was just something I wanted to do out of principle,
but you don't know what they were doing, right, But like,
sports is a part of my life from the time
I was born into this world. So that's not like
and again this isn't new. This is not new. I
just think people that have to go to social media
(13:01):
to proclaim their feelings are insecure. At the end, you
need to know what I think. Not really I cancel
stuff every day, Yeah I don't. I mean there's every
day I'm like, I'm done with that product. I'm for
that product. I mean, we all do that. Razors, I've
moved off razors into rags. My thing is, I just
don't believe that you are a sports fan to begin with.
Scores is too fundamental a part of my life and
(13:23):
I'm too aware of the history of sports to then
all of a sudden just stop watching sports. And I'm
also like, when when people were was rampant cheating in baseball,
you didn't feel like that was the point that you
were going to like stop watching sports like this is
this is this is where this is the juncture that
you've decided to split from sports, Like Okay, there's a
lot of examples. I'm also not offended by much I mean,
I've never once ever in my life run to social
(13:46):
media and said I'm offended. I'm offended by things. You
are not outraged by a lot of things. I'm not
outraged by almost anything. If you're mean to animals or children,
that pisses me off. There's a lot of things that
get me upset. But in the ends, for me, it's
more important to do actual work to change something than
to just talk about it. I don't believe in that.
I believe you should do something like there's gotta be
(14:07):
more action behind your words and now that the mountains.
All that talking stuff, it's cute, but could do something. Yeah,
I don't need proclamations on stuff. If I'm over you,
I just don't take your call. I mean, just walk
that walk. That's right, walk that walk. Jordan Palmer's joining me.
You know who. Jordan Palmer is, quarterback coach Quarterback Summit.
(14:29):
He's done an amazing thing since COVID has struck, Jordan
has been building a digital platform for all these quarterbacks
so they can take their careers into their hands. And
he is joining us now. Jordan Palmer via the Coward
Global Satellite Network. First of all, your lighting is fantastic.
You really appreciate that, really have good lighting. So you
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know what I was saying this. Tua said yesterday he
goes man, Ryan Fitzpatrick's unbelievable, and I said, this is
what Mahomes got with Alex Smith. We don't we don't value,
you know, we look at guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick. We're like, ah,
we're done with him. I would make an argument that
first year in the league, what an advantage to have
(15:11):
Josh McCown Ryan Fitzpatrick. Do you take me to the
two of Ryan Fitzpatrick thing? And you know too, what
will it mean? Well? I know too. I also played
with Ryan Fitzpatrick early in his career at Cincinnati. And
it's just the value just doesn't show up on your
fantasy stats. It doesn't show up on schefter's tweets. It's
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all behind closed doors. But it is prevalent and as
good as some of the coaching is in the NFL
at the quarterback position and coordinators. If you lined up
one hundred quarterbacks and you ask him, who do you
learn the most football from the majority these guys would
name a veteran player before they would name a coach.
So when you have a Ryan Fitzpatrick, you have Gold.
You have better than a great quarterback coach, better than
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a good right tackle. It's somebody who can help in
every phase of the game. You know you've worked with
Josh Allen, Kyle Allen, Sam Darnold, Jarrett Stidham, Joe Burrow.
Our concern about Joe Burrow is twofold, one, no preseason,
That is a that's no good. Secondly, I think he's
going to be a little overwhelmed by Steelers front, Ravens front,
Brown's front. And I've said this with Cam. I mean
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Cam's sharing snaps in New England. Let's temper our criticism
and expectations. What are realistic Jordan Palmer expectations considering the division,
no OTAs, no no preseason, what is realistic with Joe Burrow?
What will you see? And you think, okay, that's encouraging. Well,
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you know we have kind of a similar comp here
on this. Uh. When I ended my time with the
Bengals in twenty eleven, Andy Dalton was an incoming rookie.
He was a second round pick. They had no OTAs,
we had a lockout and the whole team had to
learn a new offense. That was Jay Gruden's first year
coordinating for the Bengals. Andy Dalton led that team to
the playoffs and went to a Pro Bowl. And I
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don't think anybody would disagree when I said that Joe
Burrow is far more a lot further along than Andy
entering the league than Andy Dalton was. The difference is
is Andy got to work with his teammates, We held
workouts as teammates, but he wasn't allowed to talk to
his coaches. Joe Burrow was not really allowed to work
out with his teammates because of COVID, but on Zoom
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installations he was allowed to work with his coaches and
talk to his coaches. I think advantage goes to Joe Burrow,
so he's further along, and I think he had a
better offseason than Andy had nine years ago. So my
expectations for Joe Burrow is that he has a really
high completion percentage. I don't know many games they're gonna win,
because I don't know how good this team is, but
I see him finding completions, not turning it over a lot,
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and actually, despite no preseason, being as confident as you
can imagine a rookie being starting Week one. I said
this yesterday about Justin Fields. He had forty one ts
three picks. He he doesn't need to beat perdue to
end up getting to be a top five pick. He's
a two twenty five ten rushing touchdowns, lively arm. He
looks like twenty twenty NFL football. If I got to
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pick and Trevor Lawrence is off the board, you know
I'm gonna take him. I don't think he needs to
play at Ohio State. I worry about injuries. I worry
about Buckeye players going to the NFL opting out so
he didn't have the good players around him. I worry
about god plan January February and Columbus, Ohio it's lousy weather.
And I also think that January February March is when
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these young quarterbacks go to camps like hers and get
this incredibly instrumental growth and refinement before they, you know,
get drafted. What would you advise Justin Fields as a
college quarterback who's already a top ten pick, regardless of
if he plays for the Buckeyes this year. If he
asked your opinion, what would you say, Well, there's three
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guys in here, and Justin Fields is one of them.
Trevor's another. And there's a guy that's gonna be really
talked about, Colin. We're gonna be talking about him at time.
That's Tree Lance out of North Dakota Stea. Yeah, another
guy who I think is he's done right now. He's
a first round pick. Those three guys, really, Trey and
Justin are only coming off one year of really playing.
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And I know Justin was a Georgia and all that,
but really one year of being the guy and it
went exceptionally well for both of them. For Justin and Trey,
if they if they have to play two more potential
football seasons with a long offseason just to get drafted
where they're already projected to go right now, then I
think they should bail. They should start getting ready, and
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they should take advantage of being able to watch, sit
and watch this NFL season. This isn't about I wouldn't
do draft training in January February March. I'd start in
three weeks and really start with the season. Take advantage
of each week going through the film prep Monday, last
five games, Tuesday, base pressures, Wednesday, sub pressures, Thursday, third Down, Friday,
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red Zone all the stuff that NFL quarterbacks do from
a film study each week, I'd be doing that. From
a throwing standpoint, I wouldn't be spending a lot of
time working on my forty yard dash right now. I'd
work on overspeed. I'd worily work on tuning in mechanics
in a way that incoming rookie quarterbacks have never had
this much time to do. So. While I cost them
a year of playing, and I think everybody benefits from playing,
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it does not mean that they cannot develop over the
next seven months. Yeah, you know you've worked with Darnald
and Josh Allen. Josh Allen right now has, in my opinion,
a much better defense. I think Buffalo's got great structure,
Sam Darnald, I mean Mosley's opted out, Jamal gone. There's
a lot of noise in that organization that worries me.
Do you worry about when should I start worrying about
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a Sam Darnold or a young quarterback? Because listen, we
know what sometimes bumpy. We know it may take a
year to start. But I'm getting to the point with
Sam Darnald. Did I love him, But I think to myself,
how much chaos can he overcome. Is there a point
where where we should be worried that Darnald just can't
overcome a lot of the nonsense he's dealing with around him. Well,
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I would still say it's early. You know, he's this
is heading into his third year. And when you get
drafted number third, three overall, when you get drafted high,
most of the time this isn't you know, this isn't
some insider expert. But most of the time you get
drafted how you're going to an organization that's rebuilding. Sometimes
that means they have a new coach. Sometimes that means
they have a new GM. Sometimes that means they have
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a complete overhaul. And I don't know, the Niners pick
second overall three years ago. Sometimes they're just picking high
for you know, for good luck. In this case, they've
got a lot of new They've got a second year GM,
second year head coach, big pieces like Leveon Bell coming
into year two, and then some guy's key departures. Whether
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that's like mostly with the opt out or Jamal Lewis
getting traded. This is definitely a rebuild. But this is
where these guys earned these big second contract I always
tell these guys and I've told this to Sam. You know,
you don't get paid a big second contract because the
touchdowns you throw in the games you win. You do
it because of all the stuff you go through the
sea and ghost the mono, getting roasted in the media,
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all the world caving in on him, the losses, and
then rising above that having a big year three being
the reason that the storm is weathered, and then throwing
touchdown passes and winning games. So Sam, right now, I
don't look at it like he's in trouble. I look
at like he's earning it and he is really shaping
himself into how he's gonna be a franchise veteran quarterback
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for the next fifteen years. By those where you earn it. Yeah,
you're lighting? Is it his lighting? Exceptional joy? Look at him?
He is the best looking guy getting So you have
the Quarterback Summit digital platform, so you can't you can't
be around all these guys. So you're you created something.
So tell me what this is. Well, really, simply, it's
(22:47):
just catching up with twenty twenty. Every kid in school
just learned how to zoom and learned how to learn
online from their teachers, and from there a lot of
the sports, and so for me, I took everything that
was in my head and all the experience that I
have and I created a bunch of content. So there's
a lot of content in the qbsum of digital platform,
so physically, mentally, emotionally drills things to think about in
(23:10):
two minute situations every aspect of the game. Most of
these high school kids, they're not taught who's blocking who upfront?
You know what is a five man protection? So I've
got content on that. But also every week I do
zoom meetings with the group, with the members, and so
it's very current what's happening right now. And there's an
issue right now with recruiting. Kids aren't really sure what
(23:31):
they can do to get recruited. Schools aren't flying around
and recruiting, and so we just we use this platform
to really connect with the guys on a weekly basis
and really the ones who want it and really want
to make it. Now there's really no excuse because I've
got every drill I've ever done with any of your
favorite quarterbacks are now available to these young guys as well. Well.
You do a great service for all these young kids.
(23:51):
Jordan Palmer, quarterback coach, Quarterback Summer helps quarterbacks reach their
potential ultimately high school to college to pro. Good talking
to you, buddy, Yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks Joy
You bet at guys. M drive from end dot com.
Mdrivemen dot com. Want to get leaner, a little tired
putting on some white mdrivermen dot Com. You know another
thing here. It's interesting a football topic. So Big ten
(24:15):
canceled football. Pac twelve did too, But the Big ten's
a bigger conference right in the middle of the country
Ohio State, Michigan. I'm a West Coast guy, but Big
ten's bigger than the Pac twelve. Everybody's crushing Kevin moren
Just be careful. There was a commissioner named Adam Silver
on March eleventh who canceled the NBA. Do you remember
(24:36):
Mark Cuban's reaction to that. We were all shocked. It's
Rudy Gobert. It's one player. Adam Silver was right. I'm
not saying I do think you can play football through COVID.
You're gonna have multiple players test positive because they're not
(24:56):
going to get it at the facility. That's not where
they're gonna get it. They're gonna get it from students
on campus, they're going to get it at home. You know,
you're part of a community, a collective when you're in college.
But you know, if the Big twelve, the ACC and
the SEC call it off in a month, we have
a death, something unravels. I don't predict a death, but
if it starts unraveling, then the Big ten guy was
(25:20):
ahead of everybody. Adam Silver got a lot of crap.
He's overreacting. I mean, it's one player. And now we
look and it's like, this is why reading matters. He
was in New York City. He was seeing what was
happening on the ground in New York City. He was
reading about it in various periodicals and newspapers, and Adam
Silver had all his connections. Remember it struck New York
(25:41):
City first. And he's in New York City and he's
watching the masks and he's watching the deaths and he's like,
we're out on this. So you know, I'm not. I
don't know Kevin Warren, but I will say this. The
only thing that worried me is Mark Emmert had the
strangest quote yesterday because I've said the college football needs
a a CEO or a president. It's got to have
(26:02):
a unified voice. Mark Emmert had a bite yesterday and
it's like he was listening to our show. He said,
people love the concept of a tzar, but they hate tzars.
Authoritarianism is really a fun concept. It just sucks when
people have to live under it. I'm not advocating for
Vladimir Putin. I'm just asking for leadership. That's like saying
(26:25):
all presidents in the US are authoritarians. That's That's not
what I'm saying. I'm saying Nick Saban is kind of
a zar at Alabama works well. Mike Shashevsky's kind of
a friendly zar at Duke works well. Belichick sort of
Azar it works. It's not that you can't have multiple voices.
But when you got one conference worried about this, another
conference worried about that, one playing nine conference games, one
(26:48):
playing eight conference games. Some listening to this medical advice,
some listening to that medical advice. Leadership matters. It's why
the UFC surpassed boxing because they had Dana White, they
had a leader in boxing, just had promoters out for themselves.
Nobody said they want Putin. The crazy thing here is
(27:10):
it's just five different Power five conferences, all going in
different directions. I like opinions from lots of people, but
I want somebody to go this is what we're doing.
And Emritt yesterday said I have no control over any
of this stuff. I can't get how it's a two
billion dollar business. How do you not have control of it?
That be like Fox being like, you know, we spend
(27:32):
a zillion dollars a year for the NFL, but we
have no control over the broadcast. We fight every day
with the NFL. We're calling him and saying we want
to do this, this, this, not that that that you
fight for it. You have a centralized voice in Roger Goodell.
We have a centralized voice at Fox, although both of
them have a bunch of vice presidents and voices and
opinions and information. But those centralized voices meet disgusts and
(27:54):
solve problems. College football can't solve problems because there's no unified,
centralized voice. Joy the news. No, no, no, this is
the herd line news. Authoritarianism is a really fun concept,
is really wild sentence, Like whoever was like, I would
(28:16):
love to live in an authoritarian society. Yeah, it's not
a great content not good at all. Nor is that
the idea that we're proposing and we're not. And we
had we did. We said, CEO, we're not czar people
here on the Show's yes, I'm not a huge zar person.
I don't even like the way it's spelled. Scene A
Z is always confused. Man. So Lebron has spent seventeen
(28:37):
years in the NBA and just added another first to
his incredible career. The Lakers regular season ended yesterday, and
Lebron finished the year leading the league and assists for
the first time with ten point two per game. This
is also the first time he's finished the regular season
averaging double digit assists. His career high was nine point
one in the twenty seventeen eighteenth season with the Calves,
(28:58):
so even this along in his career, he is still
reaching new milestones. Um, I think it's cool. It's again.
I'm not as down on the Lakers as I think
everybody else's I don't. I think that the Lakers are
kind of trying to figure out if Kuzma is really
gonna be I was told their guy told this this morning.
Be a text. They are scared about Portland. They know
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it's a problem. They know they have matchup problems with
the Blazers. Frank Vogel knows at the staff knows it.
I'm I'm kind of on nick right side on this.
I love Portland. They're great team. Damian Lillard has been
playing MVP level of basketball. He's incredible to watch. I
just don't know what they have for Lebron James. So
(29:41):
we've got a little beef in the NFL. Callin little fun,
little fun, little beef going on. Jamal Adams is no
longer a member of the Jets defense following the trade
to the Seahawks, and Jets defensive coordinator Greg Williams took
a shot at Seattle and discussing how his team will
move on without the star safety Jamal made me get
more there because they don't use their safety type things.
(30:03):
Of all the different complexities of maybe maybe not showing
what they're doing as much as we do. Well. Pete
Carroll was asked about William's comments, and he had some
fun with his response. You don't have it okay, Well,
(30:23):
he said, let's just pass it back. We don't make
as many mistakes as he does. Let's let him have
a chance to come back. We might as let do
something coast to coast that will be fun. We're so
simple here and basic, we probably won't get to any
of that stuff and make the idea. He also kind
of sooked the fire, saying, come on, Greg, fireback, let's
(30:44):
have some fun with this. So he's kind of joking,
but also Greg Williams talks a lot too much for
my taste. Greg Williams is a you know, a talk
talk talk guy. Pete knows what he's doing on defense.
I may think Pete is anequated on offense. I don't
love what he does offensive lines, but defensively, Pete's you know,
he has a history of that was their identity in Seattle,
(31:08):
USC was a lot of Reggie Bush talk. But the
key with USC was they would they they were aggressive
and they would handcuff you offensively. Well we'll get to
see or maybe here a little more of this in
week fourteen when the Jets played the Seahawks in Seattle.
But yeah, fun little bit to get a season started
joy with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
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for stopping by the herd line Lamar heard is the
Blazers Portland Blazers TV analysts, Some thoughts, his thoughts on
what we're watching with Portland and their matchup with the
Lakers that's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter not a Empacific
on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app.
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Lamar Heard is a Blazers television analyst, starting point guard
at Oregon State from two thousand and two to two
thousand and six. I have a soft spot for the Blazers,
having worked in port for years, and he is now
joining US Live to talk about a team that now
faces Memphis for the right to face potentially the Lakers. Lamar,
let's start with this. Dame is in the Pacific Northwest.
(32:12):
We see him over the last two weeks in the bubble.
You're there every night. Is this mostly what you get
every night? Or has he been elevated and special in
this mini bubble We get a form of this pretty
much every night. But without question, Colin, this season for
Dame has been the best of his career. We see
all the logo shots. The name logo Lillards started floating
(32:34):
around last season. In the All Star Game, Dame had
those big threes late in the game. It was his
first All Star game where he was a part of
the closing lineup, and so that's where nationally the logo
shots really picked up steam. But we get a chance
to see it in training camp, in practices behind closed doors.
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He can pull up from half court. He's able to
tap into levels of that a lot of players can.
So to answer your question, we get a certain version
of this throughout the year, but it is definitely picked
up this season to a level that we have yet
to see. Are you surprised, or I should say, how
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surprised are you by Carmelo Anthony's impact? Yeah, I'm not
very surprised from this standpoint. So it's it's fair to
question when Carmelo got back into the league how things
would look because we all heard tons of stories and
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without being a part of the organizations he was a
part of, you just really didn't know what the situation was.
And so when he joined I felt optimistic about it
because going back to who you just asked me about,
Damian Lillard, I feel that Damian Lillard and I've said
this multiple times calling and I get backlash from people
that support other teams when I say this at times,
(33:59):
but it's something that I know will continue to reveal
itself as time goes on. I believe Damian Lillok is
the best leader in sports, and I believe that any
locker room Damian Lillo is a part of will be
a highly functioning locker room. Terry Stots in his coaching staff,
I believe one of the best staffs in basketball and
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the type of environment that they facilitate helps anybody. So
now you're talking about a Hall of Famer in Carmelo,
who has the respect of all his peers. I was
optimistic that everything would work out. Did I know that
Carmelo would be somebody who would join the Blazers roster
early this season and be someone that they would rely
upon for wins. I don't know that I saw that
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coming necessarily, because the Blazers rely on their back court.
They rely on their same position you should Nurkage, But
as you know, Nerk's been out for a long part
of the season. So when Carmelo joined a team, he
was someone that they started to run offense through. The
games would slow down at times and a half courts
at because they post, mellow up or grow pick and
pop and has made game winners He's made big clinching
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shots in a fourth quarter. He has been an exceptional
teammate all across the board. Everything you hear about him
and his experience here in Portland is all positive. They
got to get through Memphis together. I can imagine Memphis
is like tired of hearing how the Blazers are going
to play the Lakers. Are you worried that they play
Memphis one? They'll be exhausted after the weekend. The Lakers
(35:24):
are well rusted. What don't we know about the Blazers
Memphis matchup? Are you confident for Portland? I'm confident, but
there is there's reason for a little concern just from
the standpoint of yeah, they've been playing hard to get
to this point, and I'd say more so. Memphis is
one of those teams because of how they play, particularly
(35:45):
on the offensive end. They're one of the tougher teams
for the Blazers to defend, because they can go five
outsprey the floor and just drive you and force you
to have to defend over and over again. And because
the Blazers are without their best perimeter defender and Trevor
Ariza in Orlando, it is going to be in a challenge.
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The main thing, Colin that I'll be looking forward to
is how does Job Morant shoot the basketball? Because in
the first matchup between these two and a regular season
down in Memphis, the Blazers were playing their traditional pick
and roll defense, which is they like to get the
guard over the top, they dropped the big, they try
to force a contested two in the mid range. Well,
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John Morant was picking out a part. And then in
a second half the Blazers started to jam that screen,
go underneath it invite the three point shot, and John
Morant went oh five from the three point line, and
he really struggled. And then in the first game in
the Orlando seating here when the Blazers played Memphis, they
found some relative success against morand in the first half.
He got loose in the second half, but he wasn't
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shooting the basketball the way that if he does shoot
the basketball well and knockdown shots, causes a lot of
problems because it ignites their offense and it can make
things really difficult. So I think, Colin, if they can
kind of hold Job, keep him under control, not let
him really get loose, I feel a lot better about
the Blazers chances in that game. Okay, Blazers Lakers, your
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thoughts on the matchup about a minute and a half left.
What worries you about that? The thing that used to
worry being about that was the size. So the first
two matchups of twenty two in the regular season were
two games in Portland, and the Lakers overwhelmed the Blazers
with their size. The front line was just too much,
and it's been too much for a lot of the league.
That's why their first place in the West. Yeah. However,
in the third matchup between these two, the Blazers had
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Winning Gabriel, a youngster out of Kentucky, and then also
Trevor Ariza, so that size when he went to LA,
and then Damian Lillard, playing like a madman, hung forty
eight points on her heads in LA. That's the game
the Blazers won. So again, no Trevor Ariza in that matchup. However,
you have used to Nurkis back. You got Zach Collins,
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so you have that size to combat it. I think
it'd be a great matchup if the Blazers can get there. Yeah,
tell you what, Portland by the time they get to
the Lakers, if they if they get through Memphis. Man,
they have. They have played close games, long games, tight games,
intense games. They that first game against the Lakers, that
Portland gets there, they could be a little bit of
a shot fighter. Okay, Lamar heard Blazer voice former Oregon
(38:17):
State Beaver. It's great having you on the show. I've
heard you, now, I see you, and I appreciate you
being on. Thanks for having me, all right, Lamar heard.
Blazers have had some great announcers during the year, so
we'll see. It's just interesting. Portland's been one of those
teams joy every game fields a playoff game, and the
Lakers about it was for them because they're trying to
get right, so they've like so the Blazers, it's not
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Lakers checked out about four games ago they played really
hard against the Clippers, and they played hard the next
game after that. I mean it was was it Denver.
You could see the falloff and the intensity once they
locked up the number ones. Yeah, you can see it
from Milwaukee, the Clippers, the Lakers the last three games.
They just don't care. Portland is totally in playoff mode. Actually,
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every game in the bubble, I mean every game in
the bubbles, so it's like, you know, Portland's like Phoenix,
like they just had to win every night out. So
it'll be very interesting if they go this weekend to
Memphis and they they have to beat Memphis, um just once.
They gotta beat Memphis once. Okay, Memphis has to beat
them twice. So Portland get to win, but they're not
gonna get there. Not gonna be easy. Now, when do
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they play Memphis tomorrow? Okay, so they get one day off.
They play Memphis Saturday, then they get a day off.
They play the Lakers, okay, Tuesday, so that's another day out.
That's a bright I mean it means on Portland is
these are wild games for Portland. I mean, yes, that
game last night was encore. We're in August. Sports world's
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