The Lakers, Kawhi Leonard, Kyrie Irving, And How to Fix The NBA Draft

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Kawhi Leonard. Kind of interesting like little side nugget. Note

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you won't believe who the potential more Guacamolemoley is with
the New England Patriots. That one's kind of interesting. And
stop me if you heard this before. But a team
in baseball who signed a guy to a ridiculous contract
isn't performing as well as they thought they would perform.

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He has heard that one before now, And no it's not.
The Angels are actually performing better than you thought they
did perform. The Dyers take three out of four from
the Giants. All right, let's get to last night's NBA draft.
You know, there are times in life when there's a
fair trade. There are times in life where divorces are amicable.

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I didn't grow up child of divorce. My parents were married.
It's nineteen sixty eight. My dad died four and a
half years ago. They were I mean, look, there was
ups and downs. I'm sure there were some tough moments.
There were some plates that were broken. I never forget.
I got my parents one year for their anniversary. I
got them a set of stake knives, and I had

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a great, great little note in there. Hey, a good
knife might end to this thing a long time ago, right, Like,
that's a good note. I was kind of happy with myself,
but I'm not a child of divorce, so it was
always strange to me. Just always my wife's family. They've
been married. You know, her mom was a teenager when

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her mom, my mother in law, was married to my
father in law. They've been married ever since. It's a
really amazing story, if you know, you're talking about two
couples combined married over eighty years and they're both still
alive and very healthy and kicking. So I always had
this view of divorces, man, that's like the end of

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the world. Then I have friends that are like, yeah,
you know, like goes on. Colin's a perfect example of that.
I was from friends with Colin back with his first wife,
Kim great Lady and now Anne great Lady. You know,
Anne already had kids, Colin already had kids. Now they

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have like the Brady bunch, and it's just kind of
eclectic mixture of it. A matter of fact, Colin sent
me a video of his daughter bungee jumping in Africa
that was like, no, thank you, but it's amazing. But
I remember Olivia when she was when he first moved
to Connecticut. I'm gonna say she was three years old
or four years old. She was always mature then, always said,

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I mean, she kind of same person now she was then,
But that's a perfect example. They both moved across the country.
They have found a way to make it work and
go on with their lives and have successful I like
sometimes it does. So I was watching what the Pelicans
did with the Lakers picks, and remember the lake they

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still have brandon Ingram. It wasn't just the number four pick.
It was brandon Ingram, it was Josh Hart, it was
Lonzo Ball. Brandon Ingram has the compartmental syndrome, which apparently
they think they fixed. The Lakers never loved brandon Ingram.
He was like the last of the Mohicans, the last

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guy selected during the Mitch Cup check era. So he
wasn't necessarily long for the Lakers. He was always part
of trade made. But he's a good player. He's a
good player. He looks like he could be Durant. He
feels like he could. He's not Kevin Durant. He's not.
He doesn't shoot threes well, he's not as tall, he's
not as good a rebounder, he's not as dynamic a player.

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He just not. But he's a he's a good asset
to have, and he's a very good verstal defender. Josh Hard,
they felt like they got a steal and they got him.
They kind of soured on him a little bit when
they tried to start him last year. He didn't. He didn't.
He wasn't necessarily good enough to be a starter on
a playoff caliber team. Good character guy, got a little

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bit in his own feelings, you know, when when things
weren't going well for him. But like Josh Hart's gonna
be a pro for twelve years, fifteen years, and then
Lonzo Ball was kind of the prize of this thing.
But Lonzo Ball at the thought is at best, he
would be the third best guard in his own draft class, right,

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the third best guard, and he hasn't been healthy for
an entire season. And I do think that he'll be really,
really good. But you got to give to get and
then people go with the draft. The draft picks is
the perfect example of how this thing could inamicably. I
think David Griffin did an amazing job. Amazing job. Obviously

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he's got picks upon picks to come from the Lakers.
But remember, like the Zions are, Zion Wimson is in
fact a Hailey's comment, He's a Haley's comment. He's a
once in a generation type player. It doesn't mean that
he'll be as good as Leamron James, who is another

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once in a generation type player. I'm just saying, six
foot five and a half dudes that can jump to
the moon, defend every position, have no ego, are left handed,
you know, like all the different things have his play
with his big smile on their face, or tough, can
score the low post. They don't come along very often.

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And of course they traded out of the fourth spot
and drafted Jackson Hayes, who I love like. Jackson is
like a JV player until his junior year in high
school and then didn't start till a senior year in
high school, and then you know, he grew, he blossomed,
and I think eventually he's got a chance to be
a really good player. They traded out of the ten
pick and got Nikkila and Alexander Walker who's from Virginia

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Tech who's very talented, and then they got a kid
from Brazil who none of you have ever seen play.
I'm not going to bore you with it. The point
is that Hayes, Alexander Walker, and Silva. It's a crapshoot.
And what David Griffin is doing is playing the numbers game.
It's the same thing that college football programs do. One superstar,

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five star does not your program make right? You get
you get twenty four stars or you know, ten four
stars and twelve three stars, and the volume of your
recruiting class, you develop, you nurture, you put them in

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the right spot, and you find out who's going to become.
And by the way, all of these future draft picks,
you do know, the draft is not getting older, it's
getting younger. Most people have concluded, based upon what Adam
Silver has said, that the one and done will go
away and you'll be able to go straight out of
high school, which means instead of drafting nineteen year old
kids who aren't ready to play after playing a year

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in college, you're gonna draft eighteen year old kids who
aren't ready to play and haven't even gone to college yet.
They have they've never been in a defensive stance. They
they don't they don't understand the first two rules of
the defense, stop the ball and guard the bucket. Right,
Like all of these things, I'm I'm overdoing it a

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little bit. But look, my dad was a college coach.
I played for a great high school coach and it's
now a great junior college coach. I got to note
youre Dame, and I felt like I had never played
basketball before. She's a different level. Forget the athlete, it's
the attention to detail and the coaching and things that
you have to learn. But I bring it up because, look,

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the Pelicans are never going to be able to get
free agents. They're just not. You know, one of the
guys they trade away was Solomon Hill. That's to move
to move picks to get rid of that fourth pick
and get the eighth pick and the tenth pick, but
the tenth pick they end up moving out of that.

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They got rid of the Solomon Hill contract. And Solomon
Hill was a guy who was with the Indiana Pacers
and they had to overpay in order to get him
to come to New Orleans and then he got hurt
before he ever even played a game there. And it's
a terrible, terrible contract. But why do you have to
overpay to gainst Solomon Hill? Because you're in New Orleans.

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The only chance they have of being successful is to,
you know, is to trade for a bad contract, like
you know, when like the Drew Holiday deal or a
guy who you know when when front office is change
or to draft a guy and the only way they
can be successful drafting isn't. You can't pin your hopes

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on one draft pick. You gotta do it with volume, volume, volume,
volume volume. Then you look at the Lakers, do I
think they overpaid, probably, But the Lakers they don't have
to operate the same way the Pelicans do, or the
thunder do or the Timberwolves do. Like they don't have

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to the Jazz do. They don't have to trade for
or draft their best players. In theory and really in practice,
the Lakers have always been able to get the best
players to come to Los Angeles, right, Haven't with Kareem,
haven't with Shack? I mean, frankly, it happened with Dwight

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Howard and Layton's with Steve Nash and those things didn't work.
I mean, but it did in fact happen have with
Lebron and now it's happ with Anthony Davis. I know
they had to trade for Anthony Davis, but he wanted
to be there. And so the point is that I
look at I was like, all right, so what did
they really give up? I like Lonzo Ball, but if

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it's Lonzo Ball or Anthony Davis? Are we having this guy?
If it's Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram for Anthony Davis,
we're not having this conversation. Right. No one thinks those
three players who are good players that are gonna be
NBA players. And you know what, Lonzo's got unique skills. Man,
He's a tremendous defender, he can rebound, he can really pass,
he's got to learn how to shoot, and he's got

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to stay healthy and oh yeah, by the way, he's
got to figure out a way to have a better
kill at Ringston and instant he gives up the ball
way too quick. All that said, those are would you
have freaked out if it was it was those three
players for Anthony Davis, Who would you have said got
the better end of the deal. You'd say the Lakers, right,

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You'd say, ah, Lakers, and I mean what they kicked
David Griffin's ass six ways and sideways, right, And while
you'd say, well, why didn't they trade the fourth pick?
Because that fourth pick, if you dropped the first rounder,
he goes on your salary cap. And oh yeah, by

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the way, he's not going to help you win this
year or next year even the year after that. So
now that you see Jackson Hayes and they kill eggs
in or Walker and Marco's Luzada Silva, like, do you
still think that the Pelicans won the trade? No. When

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I was a kid, I used to trade every day
at lunch. My mom would make brown Schwiger and mustard
sandwiches and for some reason I liked them, and to
balance it, I would get a couple of oreos, right,
maybe some chips ahoy, and I just I mean, look,
oreo is the greatest cookie. Double stuff is a waste

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of time. It's the perfect example of more is not
always more. Less is more. But I used to trade
that for lupa or taco snack, one of the hot
lunches that you could get. And now I was eaten
like a king. And the kid that had the taco
or the taco snack or I mean, and that traded

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me for my chips ahoy or my double stuff or
my oreos, that kid got something that he couldn't get elsewhere. Meanwhile,
I still got the I saw the oreos at home.
I just need him for lunch. It's a fair trade.
And sometimes though divorces, you know, feel like it's the

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end of the earth and one side got over on
the other. The truth is that, yeah, maybe the wife
got screwed the divorce, but she got rid of him
and she's gonna have another husband or another dude in
a better life. And the kids are happier because the
parents aren't arguing. Right, there's no uncomfortable. Sometimes divorces are amical.

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Sometimes trades are fair, even in the NBA. Remember the
Paul George trade. Paul George trade. Is Oklahoma City better
because of it? Yeah? Is Indiana better because of it? Yeah?
I mean, like, you couldn't have seen Victor Oladipo getting hurt,
but they love Victor Oladipo. He's an all star. They

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liked their team, and Oklahoma City likes Paul George and
got to hold onto him. Guess what, It's actually a
trade that benefited both teams. Sometimes divorces benefit both people.
Sometimes I benefited from having a Chloopa and Jimmy benefited
from having double stuff. Aaron Torres joins the show, who

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does he think did the best last night? And and
what's what's the most likely short term prognosis of Zion
Williamson and I The only one who thinks RJ. Barrett
and Kevin Durant or RJ. Barrett and Kyrie Irving do

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not work. We'll discuss that next. Be sure to catch
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This is The Herd on Fox Sports Radio and the
iHeartRadio app. Last night was the NBA Draft. Aaron Torres

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watched it, tweeted about it, covered it, and of course
he covers college basketball for Fox Sports. You can hear
him right here on Fox Sports Tradio every Saturday have
at eleven o'clock Eastern time eight o'clock at night Pacific time,
alongside Arnie Spanner. And let's just start with you know
what to me the draft was, it's the beginning of

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the potential for a zion era, right, is that We've
had a couple of these drafts, and honestly, it's probably
not since the Lebron Draft that I felt that strongly
about a personality and a player being different from everybody else.
Are you okay with that? Or is there somebody I'm
missing in between two thousand and three and last night. No, Doug,
I don't. And I was actually thinking as that draft

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was going on, and maybe there is a good answer.
I just haven't thought about it yet. But you know
that they cut to the you know, they cut to
the video of the people partying in the streets of
New Orleans, and I'm sitting there literally thinking, has any
franchise ever been this excited immediately after trading a franchise player?

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And I don't think the answer is yes. And I
think that speaks to what Zion Williamson, from at least
a marketing perspective, is going to do for this organization. Now, look,
I think he's going to be a really good basketball player,
but I also think look for the same reasons that
we've discussed since November December, maybe even before that, there
are questions about his weight, about his ability for his

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body to hold up over an eighty two game season.
But I think from a box office perspective, there's no
doubt about it. And I think it showed why when
Marty Smith was crowdsurfing in the streets of New Orleans
after the pick one official. Yeah, it's it's gonna be fascinating.
I looked at it and I started the show saying, look,
I really like Jackson Hayes and what I think he

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could become. And the irony too, it was or I thought,
you draft, you know, whatever you trade when the pick
you got from the Lakers, you make that an upside pick,
whether it's Jackson Hayes or a Camraddish, two guys with
super high ceilings but a long way to go. You
put it with what they already have. Like that makes sense.
But again, like Jackson Hayes, like he might become something

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great or he might not. Nikhil Alexander Walker like same thing,
the kid from Greece, Silva, same thing. The draft is
getting younger, not older, Like I kind of think like
in our massive freak out over the number of picks,
we may have missed the fact that picks are really
hit or miss and there's a reason you need a
volume of them. And the draft is gonna get younger.

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I kind of feel like it feels like a more
fair trade now that we've had the draft go down. Yeah,
you know, and that was kind of one of my
big things. And you know, listen, I'm not privy to
what David Griffin's thought processes. I mean, I'm just kind
of reading the tea leaves like everybody else, but I
think publicly he's made it pretty clear that they don't
want to rebuild in New Orleans, that they believe kind

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of a core of Drew Holliday of the guys that
they got from the Lakers and Zion Williamson can at
least be competitive next season. And so to me, that
was kind of one of like the weird kind of
interesting things to me about last night was you know,
we've gotten this narrative, whether it's factual or not, that
they don't want to go in full rebuild mode. And

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then you take a guy Jackson, A's like Doug, you know,
his story like he didn't start varsity until his senior
year of high school. This wasn't a guy that you know,
we had pegged as forget an NBA draft prospect, you
know when he's fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old, how about
like eighteen? How about like what he had rolled at Texas?
And so I just found that interesting. Now to your point,

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you know, are there guys, you know, what is the
upside of a guy that you're getting at eight nine
ten in a draft. I don't know, but I did
think that was a little bit weird. Is you know
we're sold that he's that he uh, you know, David
Griffin traded out of the fourth spot to kind of
get some veteran help or to get more experience, and
then you draft maybe the guy with the highest upside

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but also the least bit of kind of instant impact value. Maybe,
I would say argue out of anybody in the lottery. Yeah,
it's it's interesting. I mean I said that they got
the Solomon Hill. They got rid of the Solomon Hill
contract would freeze up some money as well, So there
was I liked what he did. Who is the who
is the team that that that you think affected themselves

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positively the most last night? Oh that's a good question. Um.
You know, listen, I thought Philly in the second round,
Bruno Fernando. I saw you tweet about him for people
who didn't watch him in college. I mean, he's just
a low post banger, energy, hustle, and showed a little
bit more of a versatile game as the season went on.

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Admiral Schofield from ten to see like, I like the
fact that he was a role player at various points
at the college level and can have a role player
type impact at the NBA level. And then Carson Edwards like, look,
we saw what he did in the NCAA tournament, and
I think when you're in the second round, especially by
the way, when you're a playoff team that was a

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buzzer beater away from potentially advancing to the Eastern Conference finals,
and like, look, you know it debate. It remains to
be seeing what Philly's roster is going to look like
next year. Is Jimmy Butler going to be back? But like,
if you return that team intact, like, I just think
you've got a lot of value in the second round.
You're plugging holes, you're adding depth. I like what they did.

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I liked Memphis obviously locking in John Rand at number two.
I am a big Brandon Clark guy for people who
haven't seen him from Gonzaga. Another guy he's really only
got one real skill, but that skill is really good.
It's defense, energy, hustle, rim protection. And so I like
what teams did. I like the teams that had a plan.
It was clear that they were going after something. The

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Warriors or another one with Jordan Poole, who's a shooter,
Eric Pascal, who's obviously a little bit of a Draymond
Green player. I don't want to say it's apples to apples.
Like the Warriors stayed on brand. They are who they are.
I like the teams with a plan. Those were the
ones that kind of jumped out to me. I'm only
going to correct you because it's super confusing, But oh,
what did I do? The Celtics got Carson Edwards because

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oh yes, yes, we ask you real quick, Doug. It's
the most confusing thing ever. It's listen. I did the
NBA draft on radio there for a decade, for a decade.
And the way it works, the way it really works
is in this industry is and you know this. This
is for people who are just checking in. I'm Doug

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got Leevin. For colinists, the Herd. Aaron Torres is our guest.
He covers college basketball. He has his own show on
Fox Sports. Trade on the weekend's kind of to spend
some time with us. So the way it works is
they're not you don't draft a guy and then he's traded, right,
the trade has already agreed to and they're like, all right,
you're gonna draft this guy for us. So it's not

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just the ones you know about. There's a bunch of
other ones. And so you get when you're doing the
when when I've done it here or I've done the
live feed going back at ESPN, or when I was
at CBS and we did stuff, you get text from
people like, no, that pick is actually for this team,
and it's crazy confusing. And that's why the second round
you're just like, don't worry about don't worry about who

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they say they're going to just analyze if you think
the kid can play, if you think the kid can
make the NBA, which actually, go ahead. You were gonna
ask me something. What's that You were going to say
something I think about the same thing about how confusing
it is. Yeah, I was gonna say. I could have sworn,
maybe I'm just confusing my drafts. I could have sworn.
I've seen David Stern maybe this was obviously now six

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seven years ago, walk to the podium and say we
have a trade. Am I did? I just emagine yes,
but he did. He would do it. He would announce
them after like well after the pick was made, like
in an effort to not make it confusing for people there.
He would he would like at the start of the
second round or late in the first round, he would
announce a trade for a pick that was earlier, even

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though everybody in the business already knew that somebody was
selected for some other team. I actually it's funny. I
actually like, like I thought, the Celtics killed it last night.
Romeo Langford at fourteen is a really good pick, right,
like super talented kid, you know, played hurt last year,
like I you know, and then they got Grant Williams.

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You talk about guys that have had to fill rolls
and culture guy, and they got Carson Edwards and Trey
Waters in the second round. Like Carson Edwards will stay,
He'll be in the NBA. I mean, I think they're
preparing themselves, and they freed up cap space, so they're
preparing themselves to probably go out and get a starting
point guard. And it signifies to me that that Terry

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Rosier has probably gone because I think he's more of
a backup than he is a starter, and they dref
to two backups. So I kind of I kind of
like what the Celtics did. And I agree with you
on the Golden State Warriors, like Eric Pascal, that's a
hybrid player. He can play inside out, he can shoot threes,
he can defend the rim. He's not Draymond, no one's

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ever accused him being Draymond. But he has a value
and a versatility off the bench that they need for
when Draymond's not in, or for when Draymond is losing weight,
or if Draymond happens to leave in a year. And
that's kind of like I said, what I like is
teams that kind of stay on brand, that have a plan,

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and obviously, like the Warriors. Look, we're getting to a
point now. Steph's in his thirties, Katie. We don't know
what his future is or what he's gonna look like
going forward. Draymond is inching towards thirty. I think Clay
by the time he returns to the court, there's going
to be thirty. And so I'm not saying any of
these guys will replace those guys as Superstar All Star,

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you know, face a franchise guys, but you do have
to start planning for that and preparing for that. And
so I just liked the idea that you get guys
that kind of fit what you do Celtics, same deal. Like,
I think we're a lot of people, and I'm not
saying everybody. I think a lot of smart people aren't.
Like I think we're pouring, you know, way too much
dirt on the Celtics graves here. Like I think Jason Tatum, like, yeah,

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he had a sophomore slump, but we saw him in
the Eastern Conference finals, Like we saw what he's capable of.
You know, Gordon Eyward will see if he can come
back from injury. But you know, you get pieces, you
get pieces that fit. As you said, Romeo Lankford, Look,
I think anybody who follows basketball has at least heard
the name. This was a guy we're people were talking
about as a top five pick last year and just

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didn't play well and as you said, was injured, played
through injury the entire season for the good of Indiana basketball,
and so like you talk about an upside pick at
the back end of the lottery, I think it's there.
I like what the Celtics did in and I just
think as a general rule, I think we're pouring way
too much dirt on their grave just because it's like
Kyrie Irving won't be back on board. Okay, give me,

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give me a guy outside of the top three that
you're convinced that is most likely to be an All Star. Oh,
most likely to be an All Star. I'm just trying
to think off the top of my head. You know, Listen, Doug,
I'll say this. I don't know if he'll be an
All Star, but number thirty Kevin Porter, Okay, you know

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the deal with him. I was at the Hoop Summit game,
and for people who don't know, Hoop Summit is an
All Star game. Kevin Porter was kind of brought in
just as kind of a sparring partner on a team
of local players to play against Team USA with Cam
Reddish and Darius Garland and guys like that. And he
was the best player on the floor. I was in
the gym, I was there. I saw it with my

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own two eyes. He had issues at USC. You know,
from everything that I've gathered in that situation, it was
a little bit of immaturity being away from home. We
learned a lot about you know, I don't want to
be cliche here, but not how a father figure in
his life. He's talked about that a lot, and I
think he's just got some growing up to do, and
I think that with what John bee Line can do,

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I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that he's
a top you know, five to seven talent in this
draft that went number thirty because of question marks. I
think that he's a guy that jumps out to me
as his skill relative to his draft position is just
completely out of whack. I do get why he fell
a little bit. It's it's legitimate reasons, it's legitimate concerns.

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But he is one guy that jumps out to me
as just he has real potential, especially relative to where
he was draft. That's it's a fair point. Like I've
I covered. I called three of his games this year
at USC and then you know, when you're doing a game,
you should watch four or five games. And every time
I watched, I was like, dude, why doesn't he play more?

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And then and then they run a play and he's
in the wrong spot, and then he comes out of
the game and his body language is terrible. He doesn't
guard anybody, but he's got he's got juice in his legs,
he's got a little hardened to his game. He is very,
very confident, he's it's gonna be fascinating, especially because you
know then you have they drafted Garland, and they have Garland.

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I guess they're gonna play to play Garland and Sexton together,
if you know. And then they also drafted Windler, the
kid from Belmont who can really shoot, and you're gonna
you're gonna play for John Beeline like a kid who
struggled to show up on time and be where he's
supposed to be. Is gonna play for John bee Line? Like, Okay,
I'd like to see that reality show. But if you're right,

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if it hits, If it hits, it's a it's a
worthwhile investment. Aaron Torres check him out every Saturday, eight
at night on the West Coast, eleven at night on
the East Coast with Already Spanner. It's a very good show, Aaron,
great job, thanks so much for joining us, Doug, appreciate
the time, man, have a good rest of the show
for you too. Let's get to Rhyan music with the news. No, no,

(28:54):
this is the herd Line news all right, Doug, As
you and Aaron Torres were just discussing earlier the hype
around Zion Williamson. As some of the stuff we haven't
seen since Lebron James was coming out of high school.
But let's pump the brakes a little bit on Zion
as he prepares for his first season in the NBA.
By the way, cliche pump the brakes, You're not supposed

(29:15):
to pump the brakes anymore. You just want to point
this out, right, Like, what do they tell you when
you have what's the breaking, the antilock braking. You're not
supposed to pump your brakes anymore. Pumping your brakes is
back in the eighties when you didn't have antilock brakes,
you'd pump the brakes would slow you down. But now
you're supposed to jam on the brakes and they automatically
pumped themselves. Just I just want to make a point.

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I'm sorry, always good to be clear. Yes, let's take
a moment to pause on the hype of Zion Williamson
as he prepares for his first NBA season. Take a
listen to what Pelicans m David Griffin said about his
number one overall pick. This is Drew Holliday's team. Zion
is going to be part of learning how to win
at a really high level and at some point, if
there's a time that the baton gets passed in terms

(29:59):
of who's expected to carry us to win games, it will.
That's not now. Let Zion be that kid. Don't write
this like he's here to save this franchise. He's not.
He's here to join this family and we're here to
raise each other. Zion not ready to be the savior yet.
According to David Griffin, well, this is actually what I

(30:21):
like best about Zion. Like they didn't at Duke, they
played around RJ. Barrett. Right, Look, Drew Holiday is a
better player, by the way. I've I've been on the
Drew Holiday bandwagon since he was back at Campbell Hall
High School. Like I freaking love watching Drew Holiday by yourself.
I did a lot of people jumped off, and I've

(30:41):
always been on. He's That's an unbelievable basketball family. He's
a remarkable basketball talent. I don't think he's a point guard,
which means you know, you got two former UCLA guards
back there. He'll be great. That'll be the best passing
backcourt in the NBA because he's a he's not a
superstar passer is a point but as the two, he's

(31:02):
a great passer, and then I think Lonzo ball is
an elite pass in them that's passing backwards, and then
you have you have a chance to be great defensively
and great passing. The question is shooting a maturity. You
also need to score points. Yes, yes, but when you
have multiple guards you have very good passers, your shooting
percentage ultimately be higher. It's one of the things about

(31:22):
small ball the people some coaches struggle with. They're like, wow,
we give up offensive rebound. Yes, but all your shooting
percentages will be higher. Your turnover should be lower because
you're playing more guards. More guards is better passing, and
though you might not have one individual shooter that's better, overall,
your volume of quality shooters improves. I agree with it.
The best thing about Zion is his game blends well. RJ.

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Barrett is not a blended player. That's my concern. If
they get KD or they get Kyrie, RJ. Barrett is
giving me the ball, give me a high ball screen,
everybody spread out and I'll make a play. And that
might not work if you have KD. Or if you
have Kyrie and KD. I don't know where he fits.
Whereas Zion, you can basically him on any team and
he's fine. He's fine. We'll wrap up with this, Doug.
The Phillies gave Bryce Harper some serious cash in the

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off season after a decent question, bro It actually wasn't
a question, it was more of a statement. After a
decent start to the season, Harper and the Phillies have
both fallen back. They lost to Harper's former team, the
Nationals last night, would ended up being a three game sweep.
In an effort to stop this slump that they've been in,
losing eight out of their last ten, they put Harper

(32:27):
in the leadoff spot and their slugger, Reese Hoskins batting second.
How do you think that worked out? Well? I know
because I have the answers to the tech. Not good.
Not good. They want to combine one for nine with
four strikeouts. Now, this all sort of stems from Andrew
McCutcheon used to bat leadoff. He's out with the season
ending knee injury. But it's a lot of money to

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Bryce Harper, and so far it's not paying off great.
They're now in second place behind the Braves, and then
their bullpen is not good either, Right, Like, why didn't
they Why didn't they spend some money on Craig Kimball.
Why didn't they go out and fixed that bullpen? Um? Yeah,
I mean, the whole thing is going to be fascinating,
but it's a long season. I wouldn't put all the
blame on Bryce Harper. And the big thing is what's

(33:11):
interesting is like, look in theory, getting your best hitter
more times in the box seems like it should be
a good thing long term. He just can't do short term.
And he has let off before. He let off some
last year, I believe with the Nats yea as well.
So it's not the first time he has to. He's
got to strike out less. He struck out three times
last time. Right, Yeah, Harper, Lee can't get the sombrero

(33:33):
in you're leading up? No, Harper has hit leadoff twenty
eight times with the Nationals, and he has struggled a bit.
He only hits two seventeen with four home runs in
batting in the leadoff spot. And that's trying music with
the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping
by the herd line new haha uha uhha. Where Kawhi

(33:56):
Leonards sign in free agency? I have the answer sort of.
I'll explain next in The Herd. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Herd week dayson noon Easter not
a Empacific Doug got even for colums The Herd and
Foxport Tradio or the iHeartRadio app. This from Ajor and

(34:18):
war Zanowski. No, it's not a it's not somebody's gonna
be What are they focusing on? Right? That was his
way of tipping picks. Last night. My wife was she
was all over me. She's like, are you watching the
draft or looking at your phone? I was like both both.
She's like, you're not a gecko? Am I am? I like,
I can. I can know what's gonna happen based upon

(34:40):
my friends in the league. They're texting me and and
and Woad who's texting me? So um, I will do
the self pat on the unfortunate fall from Grace for
Bowl Bowl seven foot three. Um had a cup of
coffee at Oregon before breaking his foot earlier this year,
and I was tipped off by a couple of different guys.

(35:04):
One GM texted me and said, I said Who's I
actually said, who are you guys looking at? And he's like,
I'll tell you we're not looking at said bull bulls
sliding And I said why? He said, you know why?
Said yeah, there's some off the court stuff. And is
it the foot or the fact that he doesn't bend
his knees when he when he plays basketball. He's like
a little bit of both, and confirmed with it. Some

(35:27):
people said they had no betterical issues. It was more
off the court stuff. Some said it was medical stuff.
But there's enough there where everybody. And he's like, yeah, no,
And honestly, like is the human body is supposed to
be seven foot three playing NBA basketball, running up and down?
It is fast ending how the league has changed? Right
if you go back ten years ago, right, Hashim the

(35:50):
remember Hashim the beat went number two overall? That wasn't
a mistake or anything, was it? But you used to
be big, you know, Bruno fernand it would be a
top ten pick, top ten pick. Look, there are some
things in life that we discuss we really don't know

(36:10):
much about, right, Like, have you ever had a legit
conversation with your investment guy over exactly what he's doing
with your portfolio? Anybody ever had this? Well? I got
some ETFs and you know, we got some low interest stuff,
and we get to I'm like, are we making more

(36:31):
money than the are we a little bit ahead of
the market curve? Yes? Good? Am I paying less in
taxes based upon the money that I'm making than I should? Yes, okay,
keep doing that right, I've got no idea how it works.
And then what I do is I get my send

(36:53):
me what I'm all invested in, and then I send
it to a buddy of mine who does it for
a living. And I was like, does this look reasonable? Yes,
this is all good stuff you're in. I'd move this
to that. And then I you know, I reword it,
and I'm like, here's what I like to do. I
got no idea how it works. It's like you pop

(37:14):
open the hood and you're like, I got I got
nothing I do. I know how to change the oil.
I can change an air filter. You can check the oil.
But like if a belt is bad, like spark plug,
good luck, good luck. That's how I feel about Kawhi Leonard, right,
like we all feel like we know, you know, like yeah,

(37:37):
it feels like maybe he stays in Toronto or he
goes to the Clippers. This is from Major Ward Zanowski
Kawhi letter will beat with these seventy sixers. Now in
addition to the Clippers, the Knicks, and the Nets. We
have no clue. No one has any sort of clue.
Like we think it's the Clippers because his uncle apparently
told the Spurs he wanted to up in LA. He's

(38:00):
in southern California and the Clippers are walking around telling
everybody he's coming, he's coming, he's coming, he's coming. But
like do they really know. Oh well, we all just
NodD in our head like Lemmings, going like yeah, yeah,
that sounds really really good, really good. Oh it's like

(38:21):
fixing the NCAA. Everyone said, wow, we need need to
fix the NCAA. Well, the NCAA is just a governing
body made up of the member schools and they all
have their own things that are important to them. And
you got to take into account the fact that you
have tax free status you want to remain as such,
in addition to the fact that you have to have
Title nine. So any opportunity, any opportunity that's given to

(38:45):
a male athlete, you got to give to a female athlete.
Like we all look at it linear and we're like, well,
you made money and the players doing getting like, no,
you're getting less money from the state than you've ever
gotten for college athletics. When people donate to college athletics
and the universities, they don't get a tax rite off anymore.
Thanks to you boy at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. Oh,

(39:09):
I didn't think of that. No, you didn't, because you
looked at it linearly. You're like, all right, problem, let's
solve it. Like there's so many other things you have
no idea about, no idea about, which is the same
thing with Kawhi Leonard. We don't know how much his
girlfriend and baby play a factor into it. We don't
know if he cares about the Clippers, or if he

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wants to be in a big market like New York,
or if he likes the idea of staying in Toronto.
We have no idea, so we react to the news.
Seventy six ers. Really that doesn't seem to fit, or
maybe it does. Sometimes we make mistakes and they can
make changes. We'll fix them. Next one more Herd. The
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(39:53):
or on demand whenever you like what a welcome in.
This is the Herd wherever you may be and however
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so much. I'm Doug Gottlie filling in for Colin Cowherd
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(40:18):
headquarters for the next two hours more two more hours.
You got me. You know, Colin often talks about how quarterbacks.
A quarterback is the position of a leadership, right, and

(40:39):
there there is that they can all throw it, they
can all spin it, but it's how how do you lead?
How how do you in fact how do you in
fact lead? Like I mean, Jay Cutler is the perfect example.
I've shared this with people before, but when he was

(41:01):
in Chicago at the end of his run with the Bears,
they actually took his locker out of the locker room
because other guys disliked him so much. And everybody knows
Jay Cutler can throw football like Jay Cutler can spin
it like it's nobody's business. Yogi Barrat, what did he

(41:21):
say that baseball is fifty percent physical seventy five percent mental, right,
which is like sports, especially positions of leadership, it is
you know, fifty percent physical and seventy five percent leadership.
We're about to hit free agency bananza. And though it

(41:44):
doesn't appear to be as much fun as we thought
it would be, it's still gonna be wild. There's still
gonna be guys that get contexts like oh what huh?
How much? And when you look at it, you sit
there and go, all right, what do you do if
you're the Brooklyn Nets. So the Brooklyn Nets, they honestly

(42:08):
and truthfully believe that their culture is so good. Remember
it's established. They hired Sean Marks, who comes in from
San Antonio. You know, played at cal Aussie Gateway about him.
Now here's the guy who understands what they've done in
San Antonio. Let's kind of create that same thing. And
he made He made chicken salad out of chicken. You

(42:30):
know what. He inherited an absolute abject disaster. And then
early on they took on bad contracts and you're like,
what are they doing? Hired Kenny Atkinson and man it
kind of came together this year. And so the thought is,
if you have the culture already established, you can now

(42:56):
bring in a star kind of like what the Clippers
are doing, bringing a star, they'll absorb the culture. So
the Lakers will reportedly meet with di'angelo Russell, which I'll
get to him in a second. The Nets are reportedly
worried about only signing Kyrie Irving to a MAX contract
without another star like Kevin Durant to pair with him, Like, yeah,

(43:17):
we heard about Kyrie and the Kyrie thing. When he's
the guy and we're not that big a fan of
the Kyrie thing. I'll defend Kyrie from this from this argument,
right from this argument. Do I think Kyrie Irving is
a leader? I don't. I don't think Kyrie knows exactly

(43:41):
who he is. I think he knows what he wants
to be. I'm not sure he knows exactly how to
get there. Right. It's like you ever had that that
dream destination that you want to man, I really want
a vacation in Croatia. How are you going to get there?
How are you gonna get the time to get away?
Where are you gonna stay? I have no idea. I
just know that at some point in the very near future,

(44:04):
I want a vacation in Croatia. It looks gorgeous and
because it hasn't been, you know, the the destination for
other people until recently kind of doesn't sound crazy expensive.
Weather's nice. People are nice. I might be able to
get away with speaking English, right, How do you get there?

(44:25):
No idea I do. I mean, I'm sure I could
fly to New York and then from New York fly
to Croatia, but that sounds expensive, and then stopping in
Europe sounds really, really long. I don't know how I'm
gonna get there. I don't know how I'm gonna do it,
get that much time off work, but at some point
in time I want to do it. That's Kyrie irving
with becoming a superstar. I made a movie and people
like me. But for whatever reason, I'm not viewed as

(44:48):
one of the top ten players in the NBA. Just
not now. I'll give Kyrie the pass from from From
this perspective, it's not just Kyrie that led to the
downfall of the Celtics. It's not I shared a story
about Kyrie and one of the questions he asked of

(45:09):
Brad Stevens early this year, and you know, Twitter took
it and it's become pretty funny, right because he walked
in one day in the film and asked Brad Stevens.
What do you think the word government means. I mean, look,
the other example that was given me from Boston people
is go back and watch the series against the Bucks.
How many times he switched off and he's guarding Janis

(45:33):
And like, if it looked weird to you, it looked
weird to everybody on the Celtics bench or in the
Celtics brass it's in fact, what Terry Rosier was talking about.
Their whole defensive game plan was a lot like the
Warriors and how they hired Steph Curry. They wanted to
hide Kyrie Irving. Some of it because he's not a
very good defender, some of it because you want to

(45:55):
arrest him as well at defense because on offense that's
where he can lead the team. And you go back
and watch and there's some some instances where all of
a sudden, Yannis is being guarded by Kyrie Irving, man
up spread corps Like, no, that's not what we want,
but it because Kyrie's ego was in the way. He
doesn't know who he is, but I'll give him this

(46:20):
bit of a pass. You know, Look, could you have
seen the fact that when his knee was bothering him,
they'd take out the medal and then they'd find out
the screws in his knee one of them was infected.
Who saw that coming? Could you have seen Gordon Hayward
break his leg in half? Who could have seen that coming?
Who could have seen them advancing in the playoffs to

(46:42):
the Eastern Conference Finals without either? And because they had
had a pre established culture before he got there, And
because Brad Stevens is beloved by star players, including Lebron
James and earned the respect of Lebron and others in
the NBA, And because they had succeeded on some level
without him, got into a Game seven of the Eastern

(47:04):
Conference Finals without their two highest paid stars when he returned.
He wasn't just fighting over the is it conquer conch?
Did we establish what that is? Lord of the flies?
You know whoever has the conch or conk actually was
in control of all the other boys. Wasn't just fighting
over the conk, conch whatever. Like he's fighting against the Hey,

(47:29):
we were better without you and without Gordon. And then
he's also dealing with the they are trying to play
Gordon Hayward too much because they paid him a bunch
of money, and they're trying to have him ready for
the playoffs, and he wasn't. He wasn't good enough to
be getting the minutes, which cuts down on everybody else's
minutes and cuts down in their shots, which cuts down
their points, and they are ticked. That's not all CONTs,

(47:51):
not on Kyrie Irving. That's on bad luck, on bad management,
on coaches that are unable to kind of share the
message of why and what exactly they're doing. But let's
be honest, if you're the Brooklyn Nets, aren't you just
a little bit cautious the reputation that he has a
little bit aren't you just sit there and going like, wait,

(48:13):
we got a good thing going here, got a good
thing going here. Yeah, maybe we're a player away from
competing for a championship or at least putting ourselves in
that discussion. And if Toronto loses Kauhi, like man's that
steps us up and we add somebody, they lose somebody.
But yeah, they should rightfully be concerned because he came

(48:37):
across like an a hole all year long. And when
you come across that way enough, your reputation becomes established.
It's really hard to climb out of the same goes
for D'Angelo Russell, Like, wait, the Lakers are going to
meet with him. The previous coaching staff told somebody close

(49:05):
to me that he was their least favorite Laker they
had ever been around. And they and the guys that
I was talking to had been around the Lakers a
long time. He was a combination of being entitled and
not being nearly as good as he thought. Plus he
wanted to be a leader like Kyrie, but he was

(49:25):
a hangout guy, like to go out at night and
do the Hollywood thing, and then he would do the
worst thing, which is like bring the other guys with him,
so none of them got none of them got their
work done. All of them were hangout guys. And yeah,
he made the All Star team as a replacement, and
he did absorb the culture of Brooklyn. But wouldn't there

(49:49):
be a buyer beware if Brooklyn doesn't offer him a
big contract and they just had unforeseen success and he
was their best score, Like, wouldn't that tell you all
you need to know about how Brooklyn feels about him?
Are you really going to do this again? We're like, no,
de'angelo is different, and I do think that he's different.

(50:09):
I do think that he's matured some, but he is
a volume guy. You know. There's a reason that they
they tied their ship to Spencer, didn't Witty and instead
of him and a lot like the Celtics. The Celtics
they don't want to lose Kyrie, but they're not all

(50:30):
that bum that he's gone. The Nets don't want to
lose D'Angelo, but they're not going to be all that
bum that he's gone. Shouldn't that tell you something if
you're other teams and tell me something. I have yet
to see a leopard change his spots. On the other hand,
should be pointed out that adult leopards do have a

(50:52):
little bit different coat than baby leopards have, right is
that fair? Like like baby animals, they don't change their markings,
don't change, but the hair or the fur does get,
you know, more coarse, more worn in. That's the question
for de'angelo, and that's the question for Kyrie. Can Kyrie
and D'Angelo process all the things that people have said

(51:14):
about them throughout their career and use that to energize
them to becoming better teammates, better leaders if they can. Yeah,
not everybody is born a leader and you can't improve
in your leadership and and your maturation process, like that's reasonable.
On the other hand, they both have their defaults, right

(51:37):
reset to default, and both guys when reset to default,
are you guys just stand there? I'll go do it myself,
and I don't know how if it's in the culture
of the other two teams. Jay Billis joins the show next.
He was the first one to tell me Zion. We
had dinner last summer and he said, he said, have

(51:58):
you seen Zion play in person? Said, nope, see him
on YouTube. I didn't go that matchup with LaMelo Ball.
He's like, you're gonna love him, and then mid season
he or actually early in the season he started calling
him a phenomenon, and I thought it was a little much,
and then turns out he's right. What are reasonable expectations

(52:21):
immediately for Zion Williamson? And who's Jay think did the
best last night? We'll ask him? He joins us up
himing next. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Herd weekdays at noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app. Doug
Gottlieb in for Colin this is the herd man you

(52:43):
heard or saw breaking down all the picks last night
on ESPN. Is their league college basketball analyst. He's Jay Billis.
He's kind of have to spend some time with this
here on Fox Sports Radio. You've been doing this for
a long time. I remember two thousand and three. I
was doing the radio side in two thousand and three,
and I remember when, you know, the day before they

(53:03):
have all those press conferences, and Wayne Wade came in
and he had a great smile and a great presence,
and Carmelo Anthony had good control of the room, and
Chris Boster was a little bit more reserved and quiet,
and then Lebron walked in, and You're like, that's different
than any other kid I've ever talked or thought about.
Is Zion the same in terms of that type of

(53:25):
presence that he has in a room forget about what
happens when he takes the basketball floor. Yeah, that's a
good question. Lebron was different from anything I've ever seen,
especially considering he was a high school high school player.
And even though Zion's probably about the same age as
Lebron was. Coming out of high school, Lebron had had

(53:48):
a long time of hype, and you know, like when
he played at the abc D camp against Lenny Cook
and all that stuff in Teaneck, and it had been
going on for a long time, so the draft was
out of the culmination of all that. I would say
Lebron took up more space in the room even than
Zion did. But I've never seen anything, you know, I

(54:08):
don't know if you agree not, but I've never seen
anything like Zion on a basketball court. I know, like,
I don't think he's the best player I've ever seen,
but I've never seen anybody with that combination of all
the things we've talked about all year long. It's it's
it's really kind of hard to take your eyes off him.
And you know, I was making a I was joking
about it, but it really is kind of true that.

(54:29):
You know, our ratings basketball ratings were up this last
year in a large measure because of Zion. That wasn't
because we had really good promos. All of a sudden,
people saw it and they wanted to see more of it,
and that's that's really the ultimate test for a player. Yeah,
I remember I saw you early in the year and
you said he's a He's a phenomenon and I and
I thought that. I thought thought that was for you,

(54:49):
like you're not a hot take, big statement sort of guy,
like you're just very matter of fact about it. And
you were right. It's it was a phenomenon. I I
did the Louisville game on radio, and I watched people
gather around when he's just coming out to warm up,
and I'm like, this is I get that it's dunking,
but it's more just people just want to see I

(55:11):
guess the biggest fear is is the weight and you know,
like the shoe that exploded against Carolina, that embodies the
torque that he's putting on his knees, his ankles, his hips,
his back every time he plants. Is that Is that
your your biggest concern? Well, I think it is with
any player that you think is is kind of a

(55:32):
sure thing on skill level and ability and all that
stuff that you're going, okay, well, the only thing is
really getting their way is injury. I'm not worried so
much about about you know, his size and the shoe thing,
because you know, it's funny when the shoe thing happened,
and you know, I immediately during the game I happened
to be doing that game, I would say, well, I've

(55:53):
never seen anything like that before, And then I got
bombarded on social media after the game with people saying, well,
it happened here, it happened here, Mino Jobiley did it, Like, Okay,
well if those guys did it, then then it can't
be just the Zion's the only shoebreaker on the planet.
So you know, you don't want to overreact to that stuff.
And you know, all these teams have have great medical staffs,

(56:13):
and I'm sure if anybody really really was worried about that,
they'd they'd flag it. And I kind of I kind
of harkened back a little bit to oh seven when
and obviously the game was different back then. Um so
so you know, I don't think we'd look at it
the same way now. But when Greg Oden was the
number one pick, you know, people look back on that

(56:33):
now that somehow the Trailblazers were a bunch of crazy people.
But you know, I don't remember anybody, any any medical
staff saying that, hey, stay away from Greg Oden because
he's an injury problem. I just I don't recall that
if it did happen. Everybody kept it a profound secret.
You mentioned Greg Oden, m Bruno, Fernando goes in second round.

(56:54):
I mean we see something that, like the league has
changed so remarkably, like I think bullball, some of it
was injuries, some of those other stuff. But like during
the time in which you've done this, how remarkable is
the one eighty the league has done in that basically,
you know, I think Zion's is six six six five

(57:15):
and a half six six in barefeet, you know, Powerfuward
small ball center. Whereas you go back fifteen years ago
and people have said, well, he's got to be a three,
you know, at his size, he's got to lose some
weight and be a three. How much has the league
changed and evolved over the past couple of years. Yeah,
that's another great point. I mean, it's really amazing and

(57:35):
and you know, I think it's been hopefully we've adjusted
to it. Like guys, guys my age or your age,
because I remember, like you brought up O three with
the Lebron draft talking about Zion, But if you really
went back then, remember like the conventional wisdom at the
time was, you know, all things being equal to go
with size. It was. It was Jakes. I'm sorry. The

(57:57):
line I was always told was in the NBA's if
you're gonna make a mistake, make a big mistake. Yeah,
that's what they would say. Anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry. Well,
but it's the same kind of thing, like like I think,
you know, just going to the Odin thing. Like so
if you had the Odin Durant decision to make, now, no,
no NBA front office would take uh take Greg Odin.

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Nobody would. Yeah, but back then, you know, the game
was even different twelve years ago, and so in that
short of time period, we've kind of had to to
change mindset, change the way we look at everything. And
and you know, look at all the shooters that went
last night, and you know that would never have happened ten, ten,
twelve years ago. The guys that got drafted last night

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in the first round would not have been drafted in
the first round ten or twelve years ago. And you know,
like I think it took me probably way too long
to wrap my head around. You know, these high school
players really are better than I'm giving them credit for.
And you know they're going to get a lot better.
So if they have a couple of deficiencies here and there.
You know, get over it. It's not that big of

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a deal. Um, So it took me a while to,
you know, to get the old school thinking out. Um.
I think I've been a little bit quicker to adjust
to this part of it, maybe because it's just so
obvious with the way the game's being played and the
fact that everybody's figured out, you know, sort of the
asymmetrical thread of the three point line, and it's it's
so it's I don't know if revolutionized the right word,

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but it's it's totally changed everything, and that I don't
know the true definition of revolutionize, but I think you
actually nailed it right. It has revolutionized everything. It's completely
changed how we look at like defensive rotations. And this
is maybe too much in the weeds, but when you
and I grew up, right, not even you and I
grew up again when I first started this business. If

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you're you're in the corner and a guy drove on
your side, you're helping and then recovering. Now you never
help off the strong side. Like, it's totally totally changed,
change changed the sport. Um. I want to ask you
about r J. Barrett because we came into the year
thinking that he was going to be the guy that
everybody was fighting over. Um, there are some people that
think he's a little selfish. He didn't shoot it as

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well as as you would have hoped. On the other hand,
we all know the NBA game is much more wide open,
and you would think you give him the ball, you
spread it out, you give him NBA caliber shooters, and
he can go back to being as dominant and as
as much of a breakthrough player as he was in
international basketball and before he entered Duke. Uh, what do

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you think of RJ. Barrett? What what will he look
like the next couple of years in a Knicks uniform.
I think he's got a chance to be a great
NBA player. You know, obviously in one year is a
great college player with all the things that he's capable
of doing. You know, the one thing he doesn't do
at the highest level is he's not a consistent shooter.
But when he gets a standstill opportunity, Uh, you know,

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he shoots a good ball. It's just not a it's
just not a repeating you know, over and over, you know,
going in thing and didn't shoot a great percentage from
from the free throw line. I think it was sixty
six percent if I remember right, and he was thirty
one thirty two from three. Um. But but it's not
a Ben Simmons thing where he's not going to take him.
He's going to take him, and he's really worked on it.

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So I think if he if he refines his mechanics,
and and you know this better than I do, like
when when guys get to the NBA and they really
work on it, they become better shooters. You know, that's
the one area of the game. How do I how
do I know that that? That was my That was
my whole personal experience there on our game. Otherwise I

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wouldn't be able to talk about running and rebound a
great thing. But I wish, I wish, I wish that
was my argument. That was my argument, like as a
terrible shooter in college, like, look, if I get to
the pros, I'll be decent, right because just but but
you're you're you're you're totally right on it. Um Okay,
I I noticed you threw in a Vilnius and a

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Hunt for Red October line, Yes, which is my one
of my favorite movies. I always think of that whenever
whenever Vilnius, Lithuania is brought up. For some reason, that
sticks out in my brain from when I saw the
movie Hunt for Red October because that's where Rainius is from,
right And and in the second round, I was so
bored and so waiting for it to be over because

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it took an extraordinarily long time last night. Yes, the
first I don't know what what it was, but the
first round took forever. And uh and in the second round,
you know usually um, you know, wearing commercial more often,
and there might be three or four picks that go
by during commercials, so it seems to go buy quicker
and uh and I just couldn't help it. I just

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side threw that in because it helped me, you know,
jerk around Rees Davis a little bit, the unflappable Rees Davis.
So just just a little bit of fun, you know,
my own personal fun. Yeah. Y also had a sound
of music line in there too, that was really that
was I mean, that was now you're now you're really
getting kind of it was more Austin but yeah, it
should have been more Austin Powers because that was the
first thing I thought of when I saw that suit
was was hey baby and behaved. I mean that that

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thing was was brutal. Um. You know you could have
gotten away with the jacket alone or the pants alone,
but uh, but together. I can't imagine Tyler hero is
going to look back on that in thirty years and
be happy with it. No, No, it's gonna be one
of those like, well, I was just I was just
a kid from Wisconsin in New York for the first time.
Like all right, dude, but yeah, it's gonna be top

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ten worst, maybe even top five worst ensembles. And there
have been some bad ones, but SMACKI walked, SMACKI Walker's hat, right,
and Jalen Rose's red suit. Yeah, but you look back
on the red suit now and and and uh and
it's really not so it may be a little bit
funny and all that, but heck, Jauncy Billips warred with

(01:03:42):
the same same suit last night. Um. And then we
were we were teasing him. They showed his draft. Would
he come out in ninety four or something or ninety seven? Uh,
and he looked like a banker. And then last night
he was wearing a red suit, so we were ye
had it backwards, man, Yeah, help me out with this.
So the NCA passed a rule that you could all

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these kids could could go back to college that weren't
drafted last night. The problem is that the NBA and
the NBA PA deems them to be free agents. So theoretically,
even if you went back to college, they could be
drafted out of a college. They could be signed out
of a college program in January and then join an

(01:04:25):
NBA team. People have wanted to put you in charge
of college basketball and college athletics in the past. I'll
put you in charge of the NBA in the NBA draft.
Would you be would you be open to the idea
of you don't get drafted last night, you can go
back to college. Oh yeah, oh absolutely. Even if you
do get drafted, I think you should be able to

(01:04:46):
go back. I'd be in favor of of the NBA
drafting players and be able to park them in college,
just like they park them overseas or park them in
the G League if they wanted to. You know, I
don't see a problem with that. I mean, the thing
that really bothers me more than anything is sort of
are you know, I'll say are and take some ownership

(01:05:07):
of this as sort of Nancy Douaa's attitude, uh, towards
towards players that you know, somehow, if you're not going
to be Bill Bradley or Shane Battier, we don't want
you at all and uh and we want we want to,
you know, take the players out of high school. We
don't want to deal with them at all if they're
But yet we're still going to have like if you
come for uh, if you reclass and you know you

(01:05:31):
can come in and or if you stay for two years,
Like what's the difference? You know, Like, how many of
those guys last night they got drafted ever had to
take a class uh in a major? Probably very few
of them, if any uh that you know obviously you
know Cam cam Johnson of North Carolina who who graduated
and uh and had two years as a graduate student.

(01:05:52):
But um, truth is, even if you leave as a sophomore,
at the end of your sophomore year, you don't even
have to take a class toward a major. Now, I'm
not saying that's a a horrible negative or they shouldn't
be in college or any of that nonsense. But if
we really think college is a good thing, the NCAA
should be thinking of ways to provide incentives for players
to go to college and then if they're there for

(01:06:13):
a year or two years, provide a pathway to come back,
you know, because you've you've established like, I think it's
been good for Zion Williamson to be in college, and
I'm not something Pollyanna guy. I think it's been a
good thing. And I think I think he's more likely
to come back. He's got a relationship with the university
and the university community, uh that that that he can

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always go back there, And I don't think that's a
bad thing. You know, the Carmelo Anthony Center at Syracuse
is not a bad thing. And he was there for
a year, And I have no idea whether he's gone
back to you know, try to finish the schooling or
anything like that. But I think we should be thinking
along those lines rather than putting up stop signs and
barriers for players that have the audacity to want to

(01:06:55):
be professionals. At some point, I couldn't agree with you more.
I think they actually have I think is a terrible
job of promoting it to the public, right. I honestly
think that's a big part of it is that, like
now you can come back and you can actually be
on the court coaching as like a ga On scholarship.
Uh you know, as you know, anytime, anytime you want
to come back. And I just I just think they

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do a terrible job of celebrating those their success stories
and of some of the things, some of the barriers
that they have broken down. All right, last thing, I
need you to fix the hat thing. Right, Like the
greatest moment in these kids' lives is you get drafted,
you put on the hat, and you shake the hands
of the commissioner. Right, But the problem is you get

(01:07:36):
all these trades that take place, and poor Reese, like
his head is spitting. I don't know how you have
no idea how to do I talk about the player?
Do I talk about how you do a great job
of Just let me just tell you about the player.
Forget about how he fits because we don't know what
team he's actually drafted for. But but that the picture
of when he's shaking hands with Adam Silver forever now

(01:07:57):
it's going to be a guy with a hat that
he DeAndre Hunters not a Laker. He's never been the Laker.
He'll never be a Laker yet, he has a Laker's
head on how do we fix this problem? Yeah, and
he'll always have been drafted by the Lakers. That's the
way it'll go down, h you know, sort of in
the history books. And yeah, it's it's it's really odd. Um.
I think part of it is in order to change

(01:08:18):
it and have to go through the collective bargaining process
with all the timing of uh, you know, free agency
and you know, things being finalized on July six and
all that stuff. But but it is frustrating and it
is confusing because they don't have that problem when you
watch the NFL draft, you know, when they draft somebody, Well, okay,
this guy's going to the Patriots, this guy's going to

(01:08:39):
chart to the Chargers. Um, it was really hard just
kind of taking notes last night while things were changing,
and they were changing, you know during the draft. I mean,
Adrian Warzanowski is reporting probably the hour before the draft started,
and you're like, well, geez, okay, all my draft order,
it's got all these chicken scratches all over it, and
you're going, now, wait a minute, rom me. So this

(01:09:00):
guy's going to Oklahoma City. No, it's Atlanta now, and
it's a mess, but they've been doing it that way
for a long time. The one thing that's better, though,
is that that now you know, and I'm sure social
media's a big part of it, but now that you
got guys like load reporting this stuff and they don't
have to they don't have to tiptoe around it, they
can just report it. At least we have a better

(01:09:22):
idea of But remember years ago, and I don't even
know if it was that many years ago, you'd be
sitting there on the desk talking about, well, how this
guy fits, and then ten minutes later you'd find out
what he's not going there and he and he wasn't
picked to go there. So every you know, like the
NBA knew, but we didn't know, and so we wasted
all this time talking about where a guy's going and

(01:09:43):
he's not going there. So I agree with you, I
just don't know that there's any quick fix. It's sort
of the thing where you know, they just got to
go through the rules process and figure out what the
right thing to do is. Because I'm telling you, man,
this whole, this whole thing of free agency now that's
coming up in July, that's becoming a sport itself. That's
covered more than parts of the season is and it's

(01:10:05):
amazing how they've done that. It's a year round sport. Now, well, listen,
we'll see in southern California this summer. In the meantime,
take a good restpite you've earned it. Thanks so much
for being our guest. All right, brother, see soon A.
Jay billis lead college basketball list for ESPN. You saw
him on the coverage of the NBA Draft last night.
Let's get you to Ryan Music with the news. No, no,

(01:10:26):
turn on the news. This is the herd Line News.
What NBA Draft talk there between you and Jay billis Doug.
Let's tuck some NFL Saints wide receiver Michael Thomas wants
to get absolutely paid. We discussed this before. First the
Saints were comfortable making them the highest paid wide receiver

(01:10:47):
in the NFL. Then they were still far a part
of on a deal. Now we know some of the numbers.
So according to Jeff Duncan of NOLA dot Com, Thomas
is looking for twenty two million dollars a year in
his next contract. Okay, that's a whole lot of money. Currently,
the highest paid wide receiver is Ode Beckham, Junior eighteen

(01:11:08):
million dollars a year, which, according to Duncan, is where
the Saints are currently standing at. Okay, so why does
he think he's gonna he's gonna He's gonna completely every
guy who's ever said like, I'm gonna change the position
and how they look at us, like or not or not? Right,

(01:11:30):
I mean Ode Beckham Junior getting that much money slightly
changed what people were looking at. Great they did. And
by the way, the Giants got out of that deal,
like after paying it like it's not it's not like
people are looking at they go like, you know what,
that was a good deal from the Giants is a
terrible deal. It's a good deal now for the Browns
because they didn't have to pay that first year and
some of the bonus in that first year. Well, and

(01:11:51):
the problem with Ode Beckham Juniors this is all about,
and you've talked about this before in many respects and sports,
which is someone else signs a really bad deal and
then this other team feels like they're then forced to
give another bad deal. But this precedent, which goes back
to the Chiefs completely overpaying for Sammy Watkins, Right, he
made sixteen million, like Sammy Watkins. He stinks, right, he's

(01:12:12):
like the fourth best wide receiver in the Rams. He's
not healthy, Like do you give him sixteen million dollars?
And technically the Chiefs were the team that paid him,
but yes, yes, but when he's with the Rams and
he signed there as a free agent, and even even
with the even with the Chiefs, like he's there, what
fourth best pass catching Brett? If they have Tyreek Hill,
like whoever their running back is, and they have an

(01:12:34):
elite tight end and Tyreek Hill and then Sammy Watkins.
So it's it's great. It's jay Billis was talking about
Austin Powers. He wants twenty two million. I want a
solid gold toilet, baby. But it's just not in the cause.
All right, we'll finish up with this sticking in the NFL.
Here to Redskins. Quarterback Alex Smith still hopes to return

(01:12:55):
to the NFL, and his first interview since severely breaking
his leg last season, he spoke two TV in Washington,
d C. He was asked about playing again, he said, quote,
that's the plan. I have to conquer some more steps
before I get there, but yeah, he explained that he
still has what is called an external fixator, which is
that sort of halo light cast that kind of looks

(01:13:16):
like when people break their necks. As these rods sticking
out of it drilled into his leg, he said, this
saved my legs, save my bone, allows me to heal
and walk again, walking again and playing quarterback in the NFL.
Alex Smith was a great athlete, and I've been told
he won't play football again. And I would guess based

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upon what the Redskins have done acquiring two backup quarterbacks
or one case King was a starter last year and
then drafting Dwayne Haskins, they're not planning on him playing again.
So this is one of those hope for the best,
but expect the worst. I would say that though he
became kind of captain checked down like Alex Smith went

(01:13:57):
from over overrated obviously when the Skin when the Niners
drafted him instead of Aaron Rodgers too to this, you know,
seven different offensive coiners in seven different years to wildly underrated,
took them to an NFC championship game, and if not
for fumbles by his kick returner twice, he takes the
Niners to Super Bowl and then you know, he resurrects

(01:14:19):
the Chiefs and then he you know, Pat Mahomes, who's
just more talent than him, takes takes over, and he
was They were a playoff team with the Redskins before
he got hurt. So yeah, they were wildly, wildly underrated. Career,
great dude, great athlete, obviously, great brain, solid as the
day is long. I think he's played his last NFL game.

(01:14:41):
And it makes me sad to say so, but like
I've just heard that leg injury is so severe. Yeah,
as you're saying, they were the best team in the
NFC East when he broke his leg, then they obviously
got passed up by the Cowboys and the Eagles, as
you were saying. Also, he is thirty five right now,
so this idea that he's obviously I don't think playing
next season. No, So by the time that he is healthy,

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thirty thirty six, thirty seven, and I know we think like, oh,
Tom Brady's gonna play untill he's forty. He's not Tom Brady.
And the fact that he's going to come back from
a major injury after missing two to maybe three years
and then be almost forty is likely. It's possible. When
they say I want to thank the doctors for saving

(01:15:23):
my leg so I can walk again. That doesn't create them.
And the team acquires two quarterbacks, one that was the
start of last year, one that's going to be their
future starter. Everything around you tells you no one expects him.
Unfortunately in return, and that's right. Music with the news.
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The

(01:15:44):
Herd line news. Baseball may try, sister wives. I'll explain
next in The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Herd week days at noon Easter nine am Pacific.
Doug got Leaven for columnist The Herd on Fox Sports
Rady and Fox Sports One. So we discussed this story

(01:16:04):
a little bit yesterday and people have talked a lot
about it. It's the idea that the Tampa Rays it,
it's the Tampa Raise, only the Tampa Bay Rays. Right
in Tampa Rays, I don't know. The Rays I have
are at least allowed to start exploring the possibility of

(01:16:25):
having two cities to call their home. No, it's not
Tampa and Saint Pete. It's Tampa and Montreal. Of course,
Montreal lost the Expos. They lost the Expos to the
Washington Nationals and Tampa has struggled to get a new stadium,
and Tampa has struggled in many ways to fill the

(01:16:48):
stadium that they have. And this is not like an
open marriage, right, like an open marriage or what's known
as the deal right, which I've heard discuss but I
don't think actually exists. No, it doesn't mean that you
can play in Tampa and they could play a couple
of games in Portland and a couple of series in

(01:17:10):
Austin and a couple of series in Montreal and you know,
go around the country and you know, play two series
in a row. Although that's not a crazy idea to me.
This feels like sister wives. Like there's the baseball team
and there's two different wives, right, There's the Tampa wife

(01:17:34):
and there's the Montreal wife, and they know the other
one exists, and they both try and cover for the
other ones inadequacies. And I don't think it's crazy to
think it just might work. Right tax wise, you want
to stay away from those Canadian taxes, and I'm sure

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there's a way to do it where the business is
actually located in Florida. No state income tax saves your money. Additionally,
Tampa knows they need a stadium, but based upon time
of year. And look, if they build the one with
the retractable roof, it's way, way, way more expensive instead

(01:18:16):
of an open air stadium. So if you play in
Tampa earlier in the year and then you go to
Montreal during times, you know, during the wet monsoonal season,
monsoonal flows season, then all of a sudden, that changes things.
But here's the way I think it could actually work.

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Major League Baseball teams make a ton of money. They
are cash cows, and I think in truth, if they could,
they would go to thirty two teams. I don't know
in terms of the talent or the cities or whatever,
but more teams, more money, and on a grander scale
than the MLS. They are wildly popular. They draw three

(01:19:02):
to four million people in most reasonable markets. And the
thing about the thing about Tampa is not only they
struggle to draw, but it's eighty one home games. If
you cut that down to forty, would you have a
higher percentage of capacity because there's less inventory. Now you
have to balance that out with a stadium that's going

(01:19:24):
to need more than forty days filled. The same is
true with Montreal. Think about bringing a team back to
Montreal and it would be beloved. Would you have a
chance of filling it to capacity more if there's just
forty home games as opposed to eighty one home games.
But the big way they make their money is with

(01:19:45):
the regional sports network, right, and if it'll allow you
to have two regional sports networks, wouldn't it be a
genius business model. I don't think this is an open marriage.
I think this sister wives, And though, why do I
need another wife to tell me that I need to
lock the doors every night and take out the trash?

(01:20:07):
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(01:20:31):
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everybody has a season now, and season apparently is spelled

(01:20:54):
s z N. Like this is actually kind of my dream.
I'm not gonna lie to you. I am a terrible speller.
I have always been a terrible speller, and so the
fact that we are able to get away with though
being THO and season being s z N kind of
like it, and it doesn't challenge me. On the other hand,

(01:21:17):
I do wonder why we changed. I don't know if
you guys know this, but in the Webster's Dictionary, under
the definition of literally, there is a new definition that
is actually means figuratively. But because people misuse literally so
often and use figuratively as literally, they've actually changed the

(01:21:37):
dictionary definition. I kid you not. I believe the children
are our future, and if that is true, do not
let them lead the way. I don't care what late
great Whitney Houston said. All right, last night's NBA draft
gave us what all NBA drafts give us, which is
a bizarre conglomerate of suits and look at me attires,

(01:21:59):
Tyler Hero look I like you. I'm glad you went
before Keldon Johnson other guys. I think you got a chance. Right.
It's always beware of the white wing. That's a really
hard you know to try, and that's a where's Waldo
in the NBA? There a very few that has survived.
He might just have the game and swag to pull
it off. But that gear last night, wo, that was

(01:22:19):
that was That was one that you're going to look
back and money. You have this right. You went to
prom and you chose to get the white tuxedo, Like, no,
just get the black tuxedo and the black bowtie and
the black vest. Don't do the white tuxedo. But no,
Tyler Harro has to go some sort of suit Miami

(01:22:40):
Vice undershirt and a run dmcuh mister t starter kit necklace.
Like not a strong look, but he can still play,
so it doesn't matter. We are all Zionists. No, I
do not believe. Now I'm talking about my religion. I'm
talking about our belief in zion. Williamson and I started

(01:23:01):
the show saying, like, look, we all freaked out over
the depth of picks that the Pelicans got in addition,
in addition to the three Lakers, they got two of
whom are starters. And Josh Hard has started but really
more of a bench player. But now that the draft
has taken place, and you take a breath and you're like, look,

(01:23:21):
I like Jackson Hayes, but he feels like he's two
or three years away. You know, Nikkio, Alexander Walker, and
a draft that didn't have grape depth did in fact
goes seventeenth. They draft a kid out of Brazil who
might be a player. But the idea is this, the
draft is not getting older. Who's older this year, but
it's gonna get younger once the one and done is gone.
You're draft in eighteen year olds and you're just hoping

(01:23:43):
and that's what New Orleans plan is. And those picks
at the time like man, wow, those are big picks.
And then you're like yeah, or it's a crapshoot. Where's
the Lakers? Like we got the better player, we won
the trade, the other stuff that salary caps. I like
Jackson Hayes. I actually forecast that if you have a

(01:24:05):
team where you have Lonzo Ball and Drew Holiday, two
great defenders at the guard positions, and Brandon Ingram long
versatile defender and Zion Williamson and guard all five positions,
defend the rim can guard point guards and then maybe
eventually at Jackson's like, that's a great defensive team, but
they're not winning an NBA championship, Whereas the Lakers put

(01:24:27):
themselves in position to compete at least for a championship
one because they had Lebron James with too, because they
got one of the five best players in the league.
It feels like a fair trade. I started thinking, there's
no price that's too high. Then I was thinking, man,
maybe they paid too much. And now the draft takes
place and I realized how depleted the reserves are of

(01:24:47):
college basketball and soon of high school basketball, and I'm
left thinking it was a lot. But man, Anthony Davis
can really play, and you had to make the move,
and you couldn't wait till after the draft. It had
to get done. And it feels like it feels like
the Indiana Oklahoma City trade, where at the time you're like,
I don't really know. It seems like a fair trade.

(01:25:10):
Even as much as san Antonio did not want to
trade maybe the best player in the game in Kawhi Leonard, right,
the fact is he didn't want to be there. He
had one year left. They weren't going to win a
title this year, especially without Dejante Murray. You know, as
they continue to try and rework rework themselves, I'm not
sure that wasn't a fair trade because they have and

(01:25:33):
they're going to continue to have DeMar de Rosen. With that,
we bring in Rick Buker. You may have heard him
last night on Fox Sports Radio's NBA Draft coverage. He
Chris Broussard and Jason McIntire. Course you can read his
work and Bleacher Report. You can see him on Fox
Sports one. And he's filling in for me later. Maybe
I'll appear on my show as his guests as he

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fills in for me. I like that. That would be
that would be confusing. And he's got a cool Bleacher
Report jacket. You guys get jack ks. We got these.
The number of people in the media who have said,
you know what, I'm not supposed to I'm not supposed
to say this. Had a guy from the athletics say it,
I'm not supposed to say this. I really like that.
Like the jacket, simple clean, little bar on the side. UM,

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I mean, like, look, I could get into I thought
it was weird that Minnesota went all the way to
eleven to get Cam Johnson, who's like twenty four years
old can really shoot. But that feels that that feels
like a little bit of a reach. I mean that
what jumped out to you about the NBA draft, essentially
the first point that you made is the fact that

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these guys are so young, and that a lot of
the picks, particularly later on in the twenties, was really
about and even when I was checking with teams, Okay,
why did why did you take this guy or why
did they take this guy? And it was we think
he can do this down the line, it was so
much upside and potential as opposed to things that guys

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are going to be able to do for them right now,
and which makes a lot of sense. I mean, we've
really we do this every year. The NBA Draft is
supposed to be the solution for everyone's problems, and it
really depends on the draft class. There are there are two,
maybe three guys that have all star potential down the line,

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even and I'm saying down the line at the top
of the draft, maybe throwing a fourth one somewhere somewhere,
someone's going to pop up. The rest of them. You're
hoping that you're getting a solid role player. That's that's
through the first half of the draft. I do think
that one of the things excuse people is that they
take the raw data of stats, like, look, I think

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Trey Young was was pretty good this year. Yeah, but
what you don't understand is like they weren't trying to
win games. They were playing at the fastest pace in
the NBA, So a higher volume of possession numbers are
going to be inflated. Numbers are inflated, and like, I don't.
I don't know where he'll ultimately land, but I'm not

(01:28:10):
convinced that. Like, do I think he's the next Staff
I don't as of yet. Well that's that's the thing.
We've we've gone stupid with the comparison. Well no, no, no no,
but but but I mean, like, look, I don't think
that's stupid. I think the way in which he is
people have tried to say, well, he's like Steve Nash.
He's not Steve Nash. Okay um, but he's not Staff either. No,

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but that's who his game patterns after the GM comes
from Golden State, Like their plan is clearly like let's
try and do that exact same thing. I get that,
and the shots he takes are are previously thought as
low percentage shots and Steph's gotten away with it, and
so he's going to be able to get away with
it like there are there are a lot more parallels
than you think. No, no, no, I'm not saying that

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there aren't parallels. The problem is is that when people
say he's the next Steph Curry or it gets translated
from his game is like Steph Curries too, he can
be Steph Curry. He's not going to be a two
time league MVP. Steph Curry wouldn't be a two time
league MVP if he weren't paired with Clay Thompson and

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Draymond Green in the constitution of that team. So that's
where whether it's we're putting Zion Williamson in the Lebron
James camp, people are not. And we got into this
on the show last night immediately Jason and Chris, we're
talking about, well, these are the numbers that Lebron put
up as a rookie. People aren't saying he's going to
be Lebron as a rookie. They're saying he's going to

(01:29:35):
be Lebron. And that's where I think we go way
off the tracks. Zion Williamson, whatever he's going to be
and he could be great. Is not going to be
Lebron James. I can guarantee you that very very very
very unlikely. No, he's not going to be Lebron Jays.

(01:29:57):
It's very very very very very unlikely. He's not. I'm
just he's not going to be Lebron James. He's not
going to nine consecutive NBA finals. He's not going to
be a playmaker, per se, That's not what he is.
He's not going to be a point forward. He could
be a dynamic player playing with so so here would

(01:30:18):
be and I frankly should have joined you guys last night,
but um, you know what you said. You said that
to me before the show started. Enough with it already,
Yes you should have and you didn't, So stop with
the me. I threw five innings of BP to my
son's all star baseball team last night, and it's it
was rewarding, it was great. Is this supposed to make

(01:30:39):
me feel better? Shoulder five BP to your son or
the reason? That's? Now? Well, now I understand. So here's
let's let's talk Zion for a second. What do you
think he is in the NBA? Ultimately, I think he's

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a great number two. I think he's a with a
with a point, you know what it is. Ideally he's
and people are gonna take this as it is. Jes
say it. Nobody's gonna take it as he's an athletic
David West. David West. Yes, I think he's an athletic
Draymond Green. The question for me is so much of

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what Draymond Green does is his understanding of the game,
and I don't have any reference point. Zion may know
the game to that level, but nothing at Duke would
tell me that he knew he knows the game at
that level because he wasn't asked to do it fair
and and again this is a little bit like this
is the hard part of this draft. Like let me,

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I'll come back around to Zion in a second, and
you'll understand the comparison Darius Garland how to work out
for the Lakers, and the guys that were in that
gym were like, was that's that's Damian Lillard. That's who
he's like. But now if we compare him to Damian Lillard,
Damian Lillard was his whole life. He was a two

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guard in Oakland. He goes to Weber State. He was
there four years because he redshirted one year, and then
he comes out to the NBA Draft, so he was
far more refined. So is Darius Garland gonna be Damian
Lillard now? No? Is he gonna be Damian Lillard even
Damian Lillard as a rookie. Probably not. He's played like

(01:32:32):
a handful of games in college, let alone three years
plus a red shirt year in college. So so it's
a hard I compare that to Draymond Green. Whereas Draymond
Green played his whole career in Michigan State, played for
a great coach, and they also have the type of
culture where they challenged them to understand basketball. I told

(01:32:52):
the guys earlier today, like my dad was a head
and assistant coach in college for nineteen years, and he
coached me from the day I was born. And I
played for two outstanding high school coaches that both played
in college. One won a state championship here, one's a
junior college is best junior college coach in California. And
when I got to college and I played for John McLeod,

(01:33:13):
my first couple practice, I was like, I thought I
knew basketball and I know nothing and I went to
play for Freddy Sutton and it was a completely different
level because there's just things that you don't get taught
that they don't teach you when you're a kid growing up,
So the learning curve. So Draymond did, he does? He
have a high basketball coup. Of course, he's a brilliant

(01:33:34):
basketball mind. But let's not undersell the fact that he
had four years to matriculate in that type of system.
Whereas I think Zion in year one has shown signs
of having a much higher basketball like you than most
people thought. He has a much better motor than people thought.
And now that he's gotten himself in really good shape,

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and I still think there's some weight to be lost there. Look,
I think there's part part Larry Johnson because he can
score in the low post. That's still a valuable as
we learned in the NBA playoffs, scoring mid range and
low post to give everybody a break is still important.
He can defend the rim with his athleticism, but more
than anything, like Draymond, he can defend all five positions.
He can really move his feet, and he's strong enough

(01:34:15):
to guard some of those big boys inside. And then look,
he's not the pastor that Draymond is. Yeah, but I'm
not sure Draymond was that pastor when he came out.
And Draymond's not a particularly good shooters. Shooting has actually
gotten worse, and I would think his shooting is gonna
get better, Like I don't think I think he's part Draymond.
There's a little Blake Griffin, there's a little there's a

(01:34:38):
little Larry Johnson. And the only place I compare him
to Lebron is you and I were both covering the
two thousand and three NBA Draft and Dwayne Wade was there,
and Carmelo was there, and Bosh was there, and they
were all the first to Dwayne Wade and christ Carmelo
Anthony were known commodity stars. Lebron James walked in at
the Hyatt where they had the press conferences, and it

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was different than anything anybody else has seen. And I
feel like his presence has some similarities to Lebron. I'll
go with that. The personality, even the way like he said,
Rome isn't built in a day, and David Griffin that hey,
this is we're in the starting blocks. That is the

(01:35:20):
absolute right way to approach this and Everything about Zion
tells me this guy's going to come at it and
understands how far he has to go. Because that's what
concerns me about a lot of these guys is they
feel like they've already arrived, right, And the fact that
Zion is ahead at the top of the class and

(01:35:41):
he's saying, man, I got a lot of work to
do is a very promising sign. By the way, I
guarantee you your dad would not have passed on doing
a show after throwing five innings of BP tou. I
guarantee you that I didn't pass. It was one of
those I had a plan, and I tried to execute
the plan, and the plan the plan, the plan didn't work.

(01:36:03):
All right, Here's what I do want to do. Get
coming up next? Okay, I want to get to Kauai
and the now discussion that you'll meet with the Sixers,
what do we take of that. I want to get
to Kyrie and as Brooklyn want to sacrifice what appears
to be incredible chemistry for a guy that seems to
ruin ruin the chemistry of Boston. And I want to

(01:36:23):
get to the Warriors because it feels like Rome fell
on the other hand like they could figure out a
way to run it back in a year or two,
much the way the Bulls ran it back. Don't give
away your answer. Rick Buker continues to join us upcoming
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You will like our best for last. No, we're not
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(01:37:55):
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upcoming in fifteen minutes. Let's up re Welcome in Rick
Buker from Bleacher Report and Fox Sports Radio and Fox

(01:38:16):
Sports One. He'll be guest hosting my show, which starts
at the top of the hour on most Fox Sports
Radio affiliates. Let's get to Kauai. So there's this new
there's plot twist. He will meet with the seventy sixers. Yeah,
that one seems odd. Yeah. And I actually called a
Sixer source about this hurt because it was probably a

(01:38:38):
week or so ago that I heard their name floated
out there. And I said, so, I hear you guys
are in the mix, And he said, I think that's
because Uncle Dennis lives really close by. That they're just
adding another another piece to the soup, and then it's
not a matter of that. It's a legitimate angle here,

(01:39:00):
so I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in it.
As of right now, they're looking at can we resign
Jimmy Butler? Can we sign Tobias Harris? It does It
makes very little sense for everything that Kawhi Leonard wants
to walk into that situation with already established stars and
exactly where where do you play him? And how with

(01:39:22):
the mix that they have? I don't I don't know,
I don't know. Um, okay, what about New York? How
does how does the just we could talk about Kawhi
and Katie and Kyrie, or we could just go from
the New York Knicks angle and then go outward. Sure
from well, but it starts. Everything kind of starts with
Katie and Kyrie and how much it's changed because of

(01:39:43):
Kadi's injury. They're as of If Katie weren't injured right now,
the Knicks and the Nets would be fighting to get
both of them, and that would be the battle line.
Now it's a matter of, well, who do we get
if if for Brooklyn, if it's Kyrie wants to be here,

(01:40:06):
We're not going to take him by himself. We saw
that and how that went in Boston, So we need
another quality player. If Katie were there, and even if
you can sign Katie and Kyrie right now, the fact
of the matter is you're not going to have Katie
for a year. So you are going to replicate what
Boston did for at least a year. And that has
both the Knicks and the Nets going if well, you're

(01:40:30):
the Knicks, how do you sell season tickets on, Hey,
we're gonna be good next year this year, not so
much next year. Like that's the same way you sell
sold season tickets this year. I mean, it's it is.
This has always been the mistake with the Knicks, is
that it's always been that how do we sell season tickets?
I gotta keep Madison Square Garden full? I understand. But

(01:40:52):
when you've when you've tanked for as but here's but
but you've tanked with different regimes, like this really is
the starting book. We're a year into the Scott Perry,
Steve guys, David Fizdale. I trust those guys acumen. I
certainly respect their pedigree. So my feeling is I know

(01:41:13):
that everybody, you're not the first you won't be the last.
Oh the Knicks, look at what they've done it for years.
They do these Knicks things. But I also understand the
reality of it. And then my thing is, like, look,
I actually like our J Barrett. He's a dominant ball
handler guy. Like, I don't know which one of these
other guys he fits all that well with, to be

(01:41:34):
totally honest, and I guess we all assume Katie comes
back and he's KD, but we don't know that. I
don't think. I don't think our J Barrett fits with
Kyrie Irving. Ain't fair. So yeah, well I don't know
that the Knicks would ever say this, but if they
really had their druthers, first of all, they think they'll

(01:41:56):
get a shot at least to sit down with Kawai.
They get at least an opportunity to pitch in their
In their perfect scenario, it's Kauai Kadi and RJ Barrett,
which I think actually can work. But that said, in
their perfect scenario, they're getting k D and they're looking

(01:42:17):
at k D and saying, who do you want next
to you? Who do you need next to you? If
it's Kyrie, okay, But if it was Kemba if it
was almost anybody else. And now, like, I think k
D has the best chance to come back from this
injury and be as close to the same guy because
of he's not a purely explosive guy. He's explosive for

(01:42:37):
a seven footer, but he's not you know, he he's
a He's a jump shooting seven footer with a high release,
who can pass, who can handle, you, can do a
little bit everything, can defend one dribble and can get
to anywhere and rise up and score right, So it's
not as much about athleticism. Um, and he's slightly built,
so you're not put on weight. We're not gonna put

(01:42:59):
on weight like DeMarcus Cousins did, where everything starts breaking
down when you come back exactly. On the other hand,
like you're gonna bet your future on a thirty year
old who's had a foot and that's kept him out
for a year and achilles tendon, I'll just say this,
I understand your concern, and I would and I understand it.

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I have yet to talk to a team or a
GM in the league, both with a shot at him
or without a shot at him, who has said that
they're worried about what Katie's going to be when he
gets back. I tend to also a big portion of
it is how hard a work you are at when
you rehab, and I've never I've only heard stories about

(01:43:41):
him being the like most ridiculous worker, diligent, diligent when
it comes to that. Also, you have a timeline if
you're in New York. You don't have to rush him back. Yeah,
like that. I mean that's where things happen too, is
when you try to push the envelope and get a
guy Backus cousins wanted to come back, Howard, Okay, what
about Golden State. They're in a world hurt. I mean,

(01:44:05):
the reality is they're in a tough, tough spot. Even
worst case scenario, you resigned KD, which I just everything
that I hear about how KD feels about what went
down with the injury and what he was what he
was told, and the Warriors aren't alone. There's a lot
of people that were saying, Kad, you you're not at risk,
and so he's kind of looking sideways at everybody in

(01:44:28):
terms of who gave him that information because he's not
happy the fact that he's going to miss next season,
and he ended up with a ruptured Achilles. Did not
think that was part of the equation. It's funny, like,
like the doctors I've talked to you are like I
thought it was. I thought it was partially torn to
begin with. And ever, and people who were mist to
Kadis told me there's a one percent chance that he
plays in the series because it's serious. Even kad I

(01:44:49):
was there when he said it. He goes, this is
the most serious one I've ever had. So I'm looking
at it thinking, dude, for where you are, this is
a bad bet. But when you have Kavan Andre Clay,
when you have all these guys dinged up playing and
you want to play, you're thinking, I gotta strap it
up because we're not going to get another shot at
a three. Okay, So what's most likely to happen? They

(01:45:13):
resign Clay and they let kd walk And do they
do they add anybody? Like, what do they do? They
can they? I don't know. Yeah, if they can't, that's
I mean, the only way they could do it is
to bid a dude a Draymond. But like, yeah, that's
I don't I don't see that. Here's the difficulty that
they have is not only can you not add anybody,

(01:45:33):
not only do you not have any young players that
you can lean on. I mean Cavon Looney, you can
bring him back, Okay, he's he's a nice role player,
He's not going to carry any weight. Is that now
you're putting additional stress on Steph and Draymond If you

(01:45:53):
want to be competitive, those guys have and they'll be
worn down by the time that you come back. Like
that's a season. Now. Step may put up crazy numbers
for a year, sure, but at what price exactly? So
there are no easy solutions here, this whole notion that
the Warriors are still going to be uber competitive. It's

(01:46:18):
and there's no Look, somebody in the in the organization
said to me, if KD leaves, the championships are over,
like because of where Clay, Draymond and Steph are as
a result of this run, Like they're beaten down physically too,
and now you're not going to get any relief for

(01:46:41):
Draymond or staff. It's it's just I would love to
tell you there's a keyhole through which they could walk
and they could still be some semblance of what they've
been That keyhole does not exist, Rick bukerre joining me,
I'm Doug Gotlie filling for Collins the Herd on Fox
Sport trade in the iHeartRadio app. Isn't amazing that it
took all this to happen for Kevin Durant to receive
the respect and admiration that which is why he wanted

(01:47:05):
out to begin with, Which is nuttie um. I stand
by Danny Ainge. I thought he did a great job
last night. I thought he replenished his backcourt last night,
not Mamber. Sure it was a starting point guard. But
I think letting Al Horford walk is the right thing.
If somebody's going to offer Al Horford four years at
over one hundred million dollars, you go, hey man, it's

(01:47:26):
been great because I don't want Al Horford at twenty
five plus at thirty six and thirty seven. Sorry, you
know that that doesn't that doesn't feel like a winning strategy.
I agree one hundred percent when it comes to Horford,
not overpay for him at this stage. I get that.
I feel as if some of what happened with Kyrie
from what I've heard, Danny the player challenged Kyrie, and

(01:47:52):
I needed Danny to be the GM and not get
into the mix of dude, I'll trade you to Sacramento.
You know this is not working. And that took Kyrie
around the corner and you now, maybe it wouldn't have
worked this year anyway, But I feel like Danny got

(01:48:13):
into the emotional mix of what was wrong with the
team this year, and that assured that they were going
to go in the wrong direction. Well, and I also
think like, look, who could have seen Gordon getting hurt
the way he did And I thought that was a
bad bet. Though I never liked that signing from the beginning,
it's because of the relationship, because he couldn't want he
couldn't live up to the contract, and you had a

(01:48:36):
lot of other guys in that room who had already
accomplished something that weren't going to get paid the same way.
And then I thought, we're going to look across the
way and say, wait a minute, I'm better than he
is and he's making how much that for young players
that creates a chemistry question, And I also think they
are maybe under valued or underappreciated the fact that he

(01:48:59):
played for brad and college. It's almost like playing for
your dad, right, And They're like, like, wait, he's only
he's only playing you because you're his boy. And Brady,
we got to take a second look at Yes, the
jobs he's done. Well, I I don't necessarily think it's
just Brad. It's also like Brad is very business like.
Brad is very straightforward, and his staff is much that way.

(01:49:23):
And there's a you know, some of these guys, it's
a different vibe and you know, you gotta work together
on this thing. And it did feel like players and
coaches from what I've been told, last thing. All right,
So they they bought a draft pick, which became Taylor
Horton Tucker, who's one of the has one of the
oddest builds of all time. He's like six four with

(01:49:44):
a seven one wingspan, like twenty percent body fat and
he's like eight. I think he's the youngest player in
the draft. They've signed some you know Jordan Caroline, who
I love, is an undrafted free agent. Who did the
Lakers get You mean it's terms of free agents? Well,

(01:50:05):
that's where you kick the tires on some of the
veteran guys, the Trevor Reeses, the Demari Carrols, Darren Collison,
Marcus Morris. Yes, but they have to, they have to
go out. There has to be another big get, right
like kemba, No, I don't, I don't, I would not,
JJ will JJ NOJ JJ's people keep singing this song.

(01:50:26):
JJ lives in Brooklyn. He has you know this as
much as anybody. He's got kids, he's got his life, Yes, dialed, Yes,
and the seventy sixers love him because he brings a
veteran presence and yet and yeah and yet a coolness
where he's able to deal with Ben and Joel, Like
his value is just incredible with that franchise, and so

(01:50:52):
they appreciate him, and he appreciates appreciates the fact that
they let him commute from freakin Brooklyn, Okay, which is insane.
It's a big because you like, do you know where
I drive from to come of work? No? No, no, Okay.
That said, for the role that JJ has, and you're
gonna say all these like team things that you have
to deal with, We're gonna make all kinds of allowances

(01:51:15):
for you. You can live a paid assassin. That's what
he is. He's a license license to kill. The fact
of the matter is, show up, make ump shots. They
can make Fox can make exceptions for you. Exceptions. Okay,
well you can make me. But but here's here's my point.
When you start to make exceptions like that for a

(01:51:35):
JJ Reddick, Yeah, oh my god, what do you think
Joel Embat and Ben Simmon? I mean they gets Look
I'm gonna be I'm gonna live in Kauhi and then
I'll just fly in for the games. You just open
up the opportunity for guys to ask for all kinds
of things. They were willing to do that for JJ Reddick.
Uh okay, so who do they get just they're just
gonna get into a bunch of a bunch of vets. No, no, no,

(01:51:56):
it's not j R. Smith. Jr. Smith is gonna be
like ers Andy. They're gonna buy him out. No, no, no,
what do you man? Schumpert's free? No, but I mean
JR can shoot Jr. He's a clutch guy, isn't he.
It's like a three million dollars buyout from Maybe he is.
I don't think he will be. But that's not an answer.
I know, I look at it. I didn't say it
was answer either. I'm trying to figure out like they
got like seven or eight roster spots there, Man, they

(01:52:19):
got it. They how are they going to fill that up?
But here's my whole thing. You take the twenty seven million, yeah,
and you try to find some quality players. Like I'm
looking for two players to fit into that space. I'm
not looking to spend it all on one guy. I'm
looking to get an alpha Rukamino for example. I don't
and I don't know where he is with Portland, but

(01:52:41):
he made six point nine million last year. He's a
really good can can affect the game without the ball,
can knock down to three, can defend. You can play
him at the four, Lebron at the five. Like he
makes a lot of sense. He's still got a lot
of athleticism, He's a solid pro, He's got plenty of experience.
I'm I'm looking for a couple of Alfa Ruka menus

(01:53:03):
to add to the equation rather than I go get
a Kemba Walker, because I just don't know that I'm
gonna need some I'm gonna need some flexibility and some versatility,
especially because we're just going on the assumption that Lebron
James will not suffer another injury of any significance, which
at his age is not a guarantee and Anthony Davis's
history or or that Lebron will be the same guy right, yes, no, no,

(01:53:29):
one hundred percent, I get about it. He's not even
if he's healthy and move last year. And here's the
other thing. So like I like a Trevor a reason,
I like adding him to the equation, but he's thirty
three thirty four. You gotta figure out a way to
keep him healthy through the season and use him in
the playoffs. So it's and again, talked to plenty of gms.
They're all on board. Lakers are gonna be the Western

(01:53:50):
Conference champs. Like everybody's just immediately going there. I'm thinking
there's a lot more did we did? We need not
just not watch teams lose significant can players along the
way in a variety of ways, and that determine their fate.
I got thirty seconds. I've gone totally over. You gotta
go prep from my show Houston Rockets. Do they keep

(01:54:10):
it together or do they have no choice? Can't find
it and you can't find anybody to blow it up.
You're not gonna blow it up before the season starts.
You can see, can we put it back together? You
can trade Cappella. That's not a crazy contract. It's not
a good contract. It's not a crazy contrac I don't
know what you're gonna get back for it, though I
understand it. It It feels like and then what and then
what happens to your rim protection? Cappella? Did you get

(01:54:30):
exposed in the playoffs? Yes? He did, Rick Buker, Uh
he when he exposed himself. It's not in the playoffs.
What you'll hear him on on the Doug Gottlip Show,
which is an award winning show following this one on
Fox Sport Trade pretty great stuff. All right? With that,
let's get to Ryan Music with the News. No, no,

(01:54:51):
this is the herd line News music. What he got?
My friend? As you pour through your both your note,
all right, Doug, let's sat a couple of things real quick.
Odell Beckham Junior, new team same Odell. Though Doug, he
was talking to Complex Magazine, he said this, I just

(01:55:12):
felt with the Giants, I was just stuck at a
place that wasn't working for me anymore. I felt like
I wasn't going to be able to reach my full
potential there mentally, physically, spiritually, everything. I felt capable of doing.
I just couldn't see it happening there in New York
with the Giants. Yeah right, yeah right, that's you know

(01:55:32):
that is Do you want to dance? No? No, no, no,
I said, you look fat in those pants. That's what
that is. She didn't dump me. I dumped her, like
you can't fire me if I quit. Yeah, if you
can't fire me, by quit take this job. And Chevin like,
did we already fired you? That's what that is. Yeah.

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So Cleveland Brown's good luck. Hopefully he can reach his
whole potential mentally, physically, spiritually, and everything that he fee
is capable of doing. In Cleveland. We'll stick in New
York though, Doug Aaron Judge finally returning. He suffered an
oblique injury in April, but he is set to play tomorrow.
How about the fact that the Yankees have hit home

(01:56:15):
runs in like twenty something consecutive games, and they've been
doing it without John Carlos Stanton, without Aaron Judge. I
almost feel like the Yankees for years would come up
short in the playoffs recently because they hit too many
home runs and they were ahead of the curb. Now
that's all anybody does, and they are amazing, Like their
lineup is so ridiculous in terms of their prodigious power. Now,

(01:56:39):
quick guy misspoke when I said tomorrow, it's actually today.
He returns against the Astroist today. And of course they've
won I think six in a row. I'm gonna go
a six in a row. So yeah, the Yankees, and
they'll put on a show. If you look at their batting.
Their team batting pretty damn impressive in terms of their
home runs, and of course home runs are up throughout

(01:57:02):
the league. This is a Yankee team that I point
out hasn't had Stanton, hasn't had Judge, and is still
sixth overall in home runs. Sixth. And that's right. Music
with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the Herd Line News. I still love the

(01:57:25):
NBA draft. I had a lot of fun watching. But
there's one thing that has to be fixed. We'll discuss
it next on the Hurd. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Herd weekdays and noon Easter not a
Empacific Doug Gottlibian for Colin, this is the Herd. Among

(01:57:46):
the things that need to be fixed in sports, like
I'm convinced that we've completely butchered all of these overtime
rules right, Like, I'm not I understand that college football's
overtime is exciting, but the idea that we go from
a hundred yard field to a twenty five yard field, like,

(01:58:10):
that's not football. What happened to the other seventy five yards? Wow?
You know we just now we're trying to decide who's
the better team, not completely change the sport. Think about
it if college football rules were implemented in a basketball right,
because after two overtimes, you have to go for two
right in the third overtime, and that would essentially be like,

(01:58:34):
all right, in overtime, we're only going to play half court,
and we go to double overtime, we're triple overtime. You
can only take three pointers. That's what college overtime is.
So among the things that need to be changed in sport.
I do think college even pro overtime. I mean, think
about how how the Super Bowl was one where you

(01:58:57):
both teams get the ball in overtime unless you score
a touchdown, but if you score a field goal, the
other team gets it will I So you have to
score to win, but you have to score a certain way.
That doesn't make any sense to me. If both teams
are gonna get the ball, both teams are getting the ball,
we're gonna put time in the clock, put time to
the clock. We're gonna do sudden death through sudden death.
We try and please everybody, and we essentially please nobody.

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But in basketball, the NBA draft needs to be changed,
not anything about the lottery or the which I don't know.
I don't understand why we don't just have the ping
pong balls. Like every state lottery in the country, they
have a show with ping pong balls. Why don't we
have that for the NBA draft lottery and during the

(01:59:39):
NBA draft, can we please figure out a way in
which we can get the hats right? I don't worry
about that hat. He's gonna be wearing a different hat
in five minutes. Yes, but there's only one time, one
time in your life. There are sixty kids on the
face of this earth that get to walk up on stage,
get a BA small hat with their team's logo and

(02:00:02):
hug Adam Silver and be a member of the NBA.
They only invited twenty some odd guys. Anyway, those twenty
they should at least get their hat right. Jay Billis
joined me earlier today. He had this to say about that,
the awkwardness of that exchange. It's really odd. It is frustrating,

(02:00:22):
and it is confusing because they don't have that problem
when you watch the NFL draft, you know, when they
draft somebody, well, okay, this guy's going to the Patriots,
this guy's going to chart to the Chargers. It was
really hard just kind of taking notes last night while
things were changing, and they were changing, you know, during
the draft. Yeah, I mean listen, we had Aaron Torres

(02:00:44):
came on and he's like, man, I really liked seventy
six ers and they got Carson Edwards and I was like, hey,
dna I tell you this, but Carson Edwards is a
Boston Celtic. Really yeah, it's super I've done the draft.
It's super confusing. You know, you're like, wait, he was
actually drafted for him? Is? You know? So I guess
here's the easy fix, right, the easy fix, The very

(02:01:09):
simple fix is just like in you know, when you're
when you're at in Vegas, all bets are in, all
trades are in. If you're gonna have the five minute
clock in the first round after four minutes, like that's
who it is. We break out the hat, and that
player cannot be traded because as of today, there's a moratorium.

(02:01:31):
Once you've been drafted, you can't be traded until July
thirty first, so those guys are actually traded before the
draft pick goes goes down. So I look at it
and I think that's the easiest fix possible, is that
you put a moratorium at a certain point in time.
Once that once you hit a certain point of the clock,

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a trade cannot be made. So everybody knows what's taking
place and why it's taking place. But think about it
like you're gonna go back the rest of your life
and go back. There's a photo of you shaking the
hands of the commissioner. This was the moment. This is
the moment I when I was drafting the NBA, Like
way you were drafted by the Lakers. No, actually I
was drafted by the Pelicans, but then I was traded

(02:02:14):
to the Hawks, but it was originally the Laker's pick,
so I had a Laker's hat on, like that's the
dumbest thing I've ever heard. Yep, pretty much pretty much,
And it came to a head. Last. When you confuse
brilliant people like Jay billis right, like Jills law degree

(02:02:37):
from duke, practicing lawyer, long time cut. When you confuse
smart people, that becomes a U problem. You're set up problem,
all right. Uncle Colin is back on Monday. He'll be tanned,
he'll be toned. He'll be ready to tell you what
he got right and what he got wrong. The Era

(02:02:58):
of Zion has begun. I'm Doug Gotlieb. This is the Herd.
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