Tyreek Hill Should Teach Us Patience

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on a Friday. Wherever you may be and however you
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for Colin Coward, and we got massive breaking news in
the National Football League which will not make Twitter happy.

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Entourage turns fifteen today, fifteen years since the old HBO
show Entourage began. I'll tell you how that makes me feel.
Tiger Woods continues to scuttle at the Open Championship, and
apparently the Knicks and the Spurs are at war or

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I tell you. Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb, and I'm
actually joining you from Greensboro, North Carolina, where I'm coaching
tonight in TBT. That's the basketball tournament. The tournament for
two million dollars with grown up, grown men, professional players,
many of them overseas guys, some guys that played domestically.
We'll get into that a little bit later, but I

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want to start with the breaking news in the National
Football League, which is Tyreek Hill is still a member
of the Kansas City Chiefs and will not be suspended
a game, not a game, not a practice, nothing, nothing.

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So I look, the NFL obviously is going to get
crushed on social media. It's going to be portrayed as
a head in the sand. This is only about football decision.
They're going to be portrayed as an organization that has
a disconnect between their fan base and you know what,

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I have no idea what Tyreek Hill and the mother
of his child actually did, but I kind of understand
this one, right, I kind of get this one. Look,
I'm an Oklahoma State alum. Tyreek Hill had arguably the
greatest individual play in the history of the Bedlam We'll

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call it a rivalry. It's more hammer and nail between
the history of the Bedlam rivalry. His last game as
member of the Oklahoma State Cowboys, They're playing Oklahoma In
Norman Bob Stoke's punts, there's a penalty on defense on
the punt. He chooses to punt again, which is I mean,

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it wasn't even hindsight even at the time, one of
the most bizarre decisions he or any football coach has
ever made. He is the best return man in the country.
He's proven to be by most people's account, if not
the fastest in the conversation of the fastest players to
ever play collegiate or professional football, and Bob suits punted

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to him again. Tyreek Hill took it to the house
and Oklahoma State won the football game. By the way,
that's the last time Oklahoma State won. And less than
a week later, he was arrested in charged with domestic
of violence, same woman, and that's part of this discussion.
He had to leave the university. He ended up transferring. Obviously,

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he was drafted far later than he would have been otherwise,
and he has re emerged in the National Football League
as not only a dynamic kick returner, but one of
the most dynamic receivers in the league today. You combined
his speed, his route running, his pass catching, his versatility
running it out of the backfield, jet sweeps, reverses, just

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little screen passes to him. With his just ability to
take the top off a defense. Combine that with the
superpowers of Pat Mahomes, who might well have the strongest
and most accurate arm. Like there are strong arms, there
are accurate arms. He seems to be both. And then
you have an offensive savant like Andy Reid, and it's
a match made in heaven. On the other hand, on

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the other hand, you have some of the past the
Kansai Chiefs, where you know they had a player commits
suicide a couple of years ago, they had to get
rid of the NFL's leading rusher because of a domestic
violence you know, domestic violence incident, and then Tyree Hill's
own baggage, and you have a match made in hell, right,

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I mean even going in an acquiring Frank Clark this
offseason as a free agent who came over from Seattle,
who had his own DV issues going back to college
before he became a member of the Seattle Seahawks. But
this is a very important thing that we have to

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point out as members of the media. I wanted to
do this for maybe five years ago. Doug gotlieban for Colin,
This is the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. I wanted
to have fun on a Wednesday. Tuesday's NFL teams have
their press conferences, and on a Wednesday, what I wanted

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to do is have my staff added up some of
the things that were said in NFL press conferences and
when taken out of call it out of context. When
taken out of context, guys can say things that come
across of two offensive, bizarre. You can cut up audio

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without changing words, and but just cut certain sentences out
and all of a sudden it becomes almost defaming. And
I feel like what we've what we have today is
the NFL saying, hey, we have the full audio. They've

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actually had it since April. They've gone over it. And
while when I heard what was released from the kans
City Police TV station, when I heard it, I was like, wow,
that does not sound good. There wasn't a smoking gun.
But when I carried in the bias of what he
had pled guilty to at Oklahoma State what the police

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had stated, which was we believe a crime occurred, we
just don't know who did it. When I brought in
that bias, when I brought in that baggage I was like, man,
they're gonna lose Tyreek Hill for four maybe forever. His
his fiance or she was his fiance at the time,

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refused to have an interview with him. They had the
full audio. They interviewed him for eight and a half
hours in June, and to this point they can prove
no wrongdoing. And what this what what to me? This
says is what I've said on radio people said to

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me as kids. As a kid, I've said to my
own children, which is, I don't care how bad something looks.
At least be honest with me answers the questions with me,
because sunlight is in fact, the greatest disinfectant. I mean,
if you go you go back to why did why

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was Mike vic Why Mike Vick go to jail? Like
Mike Vick didn't just go to jail because he was
operating a dog fighting ring. Mike Vick went to jail
because he was supposed to meet with Roger Goodell. He did,
he lied to Roger Goodell's face, And you continue to
lie about it. And once the truth comes out and
there are and there are facts, there are evidence, there's

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nothing we can do to protect you from from the police,
Why did Tom Brady get suspended? Look, I didn't agree
with the tom Brady's suspension. I have no idea who
altered the footballs. But once you destroy a cell phone,
once you destroy evidence, you're showing the world that even
if your argument is, hey, there's lots of stuff on

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that cell phone that I don't want getting out, and
everything from NFL investigations seems to get out. But once
you do that, you feel like you're not being honest,
you're not being upfront. And in this particular case, whatever
is in the full context of the audio, right, Like
I've always wanted to cut up audio and make fun
of NFL players, NBA players, and I've had friends of like, dude,

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you just can't do that. And the recorded conversation, while
it may not completely expunge him of any sort of wrongdoing,
it appears it's not as damaging as we were led
to believe. That there's a lot more context to it.

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There's a lot more in that conversation. And Twitter does
not rule the world. Twitter is not going to be happy.
Social media is not going to be happy. But if
you think that Roger Goodell in the National Football League,
who have been knee jerk in their protection smartly so
of their shield, especially in the nationwide and hopefully kind

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of worldwide fight to protect women against the violence from men.
If you think that because Tyree Hills speed and prodigious athlete,
the ability, that's why he's on the field, like, I
gotta tell you, I don't see it that way. My
guest would be there is nothing there. Like, look, there's

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literally nothing there. Otherwise there's no chance the NFL would
do this. It's just too risky. They did a thorough
investigation and to this point they're like, look, we got nothing.
She looks bad, he looks bad. Does it sound bad
to say you should be that he should be terrified

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of me? Or but by the way she put that
word in his mouth. There there should be a little
bit of healthy fear from a child as well as
respect for their parrot. I can just be like my
wife tells me that all the time, that hey, the
kids are a little bit scared of you. That's okay,

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that's okay. I've never laid a hand on one of
my daughters. The other one's gotten smack done the backside
back when she was little. I was a spanking parent,
though my wife had when we first had kids, were like,
we're not going to actually was her decision. We're not
gonna be the parents that spank. For the most part,
I don't think we have. Maybe two or three times ever,

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i've lost my cool. I've never done anything at the
level of that could be construed or misconstrued as being
dangerous or you know, or over the top with my kid.
Have I grabbed them to get their attention? Yes, I
have parented them. It's a hard hard line to walk.

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But instead of taking the cut up audio when we
never had the full audio and using the context in
which it was supposed to make us feel and I
will be completely canned. When I heard it, I thought, man,
he's done with the Chiefs, especially considering his own background.

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The guys they've had, the issues they've work through. You
almost want to credit the NFL for going like, all right,
let's find out what's real and let's find out what's assumed.
And since they can't find anything that's real, they have
no choice other than to let him play football and
put in the line or two about like the investigation

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is still open. If more information comes out, we reserve
the right to act. Then I don't think it's a
great moment for the National Football League, but I think
it's a good moment for all of us to take
a breath and realize that charges and accusations are just that,
and that the NFL an organization a league that has

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trying to be extra careful because they know they've botched
this thing six times sideways, that the NFL can't find
anything with the information that's been provided, they can't find
any anything that says he absolutely did it, and with
that they're left with no choice but to let him

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play football. Doug Alliban for Colin, this is the herd
crazy stuff, and just from a football perspective, from a
non like human being, and look, I feel bad for
any child who has to go through. If he didn't
do anything wrong, or he didn't do anything that the

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level that we thought she should be charged with, or
he should be suspended for or whatever, I still feel
for the kid because he's in a home situation that's
so toxic that his mom would try and set up
his dad to admit to abusing him when he didn't like.
There's no win for the kid either. The dad is

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violent towards the kid. The dad and the mom are
violent towards the kid, or the mom thinks so little
of the dad that she wants to she wants to
set up the dad to make it look like he
did something wrong and he should be charged with a crime.
Like either way, the kid loses, all right. Coming up next,

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speaking of the truth getting exposed, Jim Harball rattled the
cages of Urban Meyer and Ohio State and Florida football.
Was he wrong? We'll discuss next. I'm Doug gottlieb This
is the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays in noon Easter nine am Pacific on

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Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart Radio app.
Doug gottlieb in for Colin. This is the Herd. All right,
So my old producer is a guy named Adam Kluge. Obviously,

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John Lay, our stud newsman, is also produced in this show.
Doug Gollibin for Colin, and we all kind of go
back together to the old place and goole. You can
appreciate this that clude came up with something you're familiar with.
What the what the Tyson zone is? Right? Tyson zone,
I believe is a Bill Simmons coined phrase so we'll

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give credit to everybody who used to work at the
old place. Bill Simmons came up with the Tyson Zone,
and the idea of the Tyson zone is there is
no story about Mike Tyson that you wouldn't believe to
be true. If you said, like Mike Tyson once tried
to get on the Space Shuttle to fly to space,

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He's like, yeah, I could see that. I can see that.
You know, Mike Tyson once punched a bear right in
the mouth, Like I could, I could, I could see that, right,
Mike Tyson. There's so many crazy Mike Tyson stories that
are apparently true that there isn't a Mike Tyson story
that you wouldn't believe to be true. That's the Tyson Zone.

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So my old producer is Seclum, the Georgia Lum to
be exact. So he's long suffering Georgia fan. So he
coined this phrase the Spurrier zone because generally this time
of year, back when Steve Spurrier was the headball coach.

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By the way, if you have you hear a radio
host say old ball coach, they actually don't know what
they're talking about. He had HBC on all his gear
with headball coach at the headball coach would say things
that we're from the heart, we're honest, and he just
got past the point of actually caring. And because he

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had won a highest patrophy, won a national championship. Heck,
you even taken Ama, takes Carla to Atlanta, Yes, to
see championship game. That's just like with a national title.
The headball coach in the spurrier zone, like he could say, like, man,
we should love playing Georgia first game of the season.
They always had a couple of guys suspended. And you
know what, he was right. Maybe maybe maybe it's because

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he won an Astal championship, he won a Heisman trophy,
he'd won at Duke, and he had a kind of
a way about him which was enjoyable, and he was
at a certain age where he didn't actually care. But
it does feel like Jim Harbaugh is kind of the
latest and and Saban has a little bit of us.

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But it's not as enjoyable. There's not the humor with it.
There's not the smile of the smirk or walking around
at at the first day at two days with his
shirt off. So Jim Harbaugh, leading up to Big Ten
media days, offered this up in regards to urban Meyer,

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and he said, you know, and I'm kind of quoting
verbade him here, that Rbier has been incredibly successful, a
remarkable record, but controversy has followed him. Everywhere has been.
This is this is Jim Harbaugh. Meyers had a winning record,
really phenomenal record everywhere has been, but also controversy follows

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other word has been. Now in fairness, I don't believe
controversy followed it. Bowling Green, I don't believe controversy followed
him at Utah, but we knew what he was talking about.
I mean, it's a Florida squad that had all kinds
of off the field issues but also had Tim Tebow
right like you had the I mean like when you
put up when you put asparagus bears next to a steak, right,

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I mean, Tebo's the asparagus bears and the steak, although
delicious because of how it's cooked in butter and with
fat like it, it's also be gonna kill you, which
was the Carlos Dun Dun labs to Aaron Hernandez is
the rainy kid as well. I mean he had he
ran the Gamut, and then of course at Ohio State

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there was the domestic violence accusations against his former assistant,
and what he knew and why he hired him back
at Florida and what he did about it. Now, the
first thing is we should point out that he didn't
say he was a dirty recruiter, although you could, if
you wanted to take that leap, you could. And he
didn't say that he had done urban Meyer had done

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anything in particular wrong. He simply said everywhere he's been,
he's won, and controversies followed him. I kind of feel
like that's inarguable. I can defend urban Meyer for his
actions last year if you'd like, And I'll point out
that urb Meyer now works for Fox, of course, and

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Fox is a new pregame show, and he's gonna cover
Jim Harb and he's gonna have plenty of opportunities if
you would like to have a retort or if he'd
like not like not to. That's part of taking taking
that job is he'll have a hot mic. He'll be
able to say whatever he'd like. But this is seen
as controversial, and it really isn't. It's actually inarguable. He

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has had a great record and his two spots were
stops where he won a national championship. They have been controversial.
That's it, There's nothing more to it. Now. Harball goes
on to say, like, look, we have goals, and our
goals to win multiple championships, but also to want to
run a world class program where we don't have these issues.

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And to Harbo's credit, there haven't been the controversial you know,
off the field things, Like the only things you can
criticize Jim Harbaugh about is hell, he can't eat Ohio
State and he does some goofy things in recruiting. But
the goofy things in recruiting seem to be working because
it's a much better program than one he inherited. And

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the only thing missing. Remember last year was the redemption
Tour where they marched in and you know, beat Michigan State,
marched in in, beat Penn State, and they were beating
the hell out of people, but they did lose to
Ohio State and they did lose another name, I mean
somehow because Harbaugh hasn't beatn Ohio State, this is seen

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as sour graves and maybe it is, but if you
actually look at it, He's not saying anything which anyone
can argue otherwise, unless you want to go with the well,
you know a Bowling Green or at Utah. That guys, fine,
he did a great job at Utah. He did a
great job at Bowling Green. No one will ever argue
with Irban Meyer has been next to Nick Saban and

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frankly alongside Nick Saban. Those are the two most successful
coaches so far of this generation of college football. Dabo's
quickly catching up and Harball'd like to be mentioned that conversation.
But winning a couple of national titles of Florida, winning
one at Ohio State, being consistently successful and dominating the

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Michigan rivalry, like it's beyond reproach on the football field,
but it's not without controversy. And I fail to see
how that's arguable. And in many ways, Jim Harbaugh, if
he can win a title now, all of a sudden,
we would recognize the things he says, the quirkiness, the honesty,

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the I don't give up. You know what Harbaugh has
always been tiptoeing around. He would fully enter in that
Spurrier zone where you can say what you want, however
you want about who you want and just be a
complete honest salesman, because well, Harball played college pro brought

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San Diego to prominence, took over a team that didn't
win a game at Stanford and left them as competitive
to win a national championship. Same thing with the San
Francisco forty nine ers, and would do the same thing
with Michigan because of his success, because of what he
did as a player and as a coach, and like
Spurrier at his Alba mater, if he would enter a
Spurrier zone, Spurrier got away with it because well, hell,

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you know, I maybe it's because he's Southern. It was charming.
Spurrier wasn't even successful in the pros whereas Hardball was.
But it's also because he's won a national championship in college.
Let's get you to John Gouley with the news, No
turn the this is the herd line news. Doug Dwight

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Howard was on fair Game with Christine Leahey on FS
one yesterday and he talked about the time Kobe Bryant
called him soft. This is the year he was with
the Rockets after his one pretty disappointing season with the Lakers.
Take a listen to this. He had a comment about
me being solved, and I think for years I kind
of hated him for saying that because I looked at

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it the wrong way. I think he was more so
talking about my mentality, not my physique or not. Yeah,
you know how I am on the court like my age,
and I didn't realize that because of the noise surrounding
him saying I was soft, and you know, I hated it.
I hated him for that moment. So if you're paying

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attention to that, what he's basically saying is he was
angry and not even as offended as he should have
been because he thought like Kobe was insulting his physique
and staid he was actually just insulting him as a man.
What is your reaction to that from Dwight Howard. I
don't know what the physique has anything like who thought

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his physique was sold. That's the one criticism you can't
make of Dwight Howard. He has always been huge. There's
an expression in sports it goes like this body like
Tarzan plays like Jane right, And I think that's that
was more what he was saying. And yes, of course
he was talking about his mentality. He was talking about, like, look, dude,
you got all these muscles, You got muscles upon muscles,

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but you don't actually do anything with them. I don't
know anyone who thought he was talking about his physique.
I listened to that interview. I thought Christine did a
good job of weaving in and out of it. Like
he came out and said, he's not some guy apparently
and I didn't even know some guy accused him apparently
being gay, and he said he didn't even know the guy,
And like in a lawsuit, I Dwight Howard has some

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internal pain. But my thing with Dwight Howard was he
was KD. Before KD, he was the first to listen
to everybody's criticism of him because he did play with
a ton of joy and smile a smile on his face.
But then when things went bad, he listened to all
of the whispers, and he was so busy reacting to
the whispers he couldn't play anymore. Actually, a buddy of mine,

(26:04):
gayale and Young, who was drafted by the Bucks and
now a college coach, he actually just reached out to
me and he's like, is Dwight Howard a Hall of Famer. Yeah,
I think he is. I mean, he's three time Defensive
Player of the Year, eight time rebounding champ. Like, yeah,
before he heard his back, he was the most dominant
big guy in the league. And granted, the league has

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changed a ton, but in the context of that time,
he was unbelievable. But this guy, his mentality was so
screwed up that he actually thought the idea that he
thought Kobe was talking about his body when nobody thought
no one would ever question his body as being soft
is one of the most bizarre tangents I've ever heard.

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I wonder if, because I don't think I'm breaking any
news here, that those interviews on Fair Game are recorded.
I wonder if maybe at the time, he was thinking
he might sign with the Lakers, so he was just
trying to show how he's with Kobe now because he
knows that Kobe has a lot of pull. Obviously, since
then he's he's not going to be signing with the Lakers,
but he's still What's odd to me is he's still

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like kind of statistically a good player, but nobody wants
him because everything has moved away from that style of
play that he does. Well, there's the there's a there's
a bunch of things. One. Yes, he is a player
of a foregone era, right, He's the He's the hum
He's the hummer of the NBA. Now. He's like, you know,
back in two thousand and four, two thousand and five,

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you had a Hummer and you're rolling down the street.
You're like, that's a cool car. Now, but he's like,
they don't even make those anymore, which is exactly what
Dwight Howard is. In addition to which he just struggles
to get along socially with guys in the NBA. He
just he just he's so aloof and so bizarre. I
had a coach tell me that they did some background

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on thinking about bringing Dwight Howard in last year and
the Wizards probably been last year. And another coach told
me like, there wasn't anyone they could call that had
something good to say about him, and wasn't that he
was an awful guy, But there was no one who said, like,
you know what, he's awesome. No one said that. And

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when you get you know, reputations are earned. So Baker
Mayfield did a long interview with ESPN this week, and
we keep seeming to find more and more content in
it to pick from it. When asked about OBJ leaving
the Giants in a trade to the Browns, he said, quote,
he's here to play in front of fans who actually care,

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who will actually show up to every game and pack
of the stadium and love him for who he is.
Kind of an out of the out of nowhere shot
at the Giants fans. Don't you think it's? Yes? But
what's the way that it's just to just say, we
have the best fans in the world, right, every player's

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ever played for a team has the best fans in
the world, even though they're not the best fans in
the world. Plenty of Brown seats are you know, when
they when they only won, when they didn't win a
game for a year, there are plenty of seats available.
And I do think that the Browns have a great
fan base. They do, but so do the Giants. And
you know how many years can the Giants be bad

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at the end of the season when eventually you don't
show up. It's just this is just Baker being Baker.
He's talking out of his rectum. He has no he
literally has zero idea what he's discussing. I mean this
is he did the same thing with the Duke Johnson thing.
You know, you don't want to be with us. I'm like, hey,
Duke Johnson's like, yo, I'm one. I'm still on the
team too. He's got friends in the locker room. And three,

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this is the league. Like in the league, if there's
three guys at your spot, I gotta get out of here.
Is where I can get touches, when I can get yards,
so I can get paid. What are you talking about?
Baker has no idea what he's talking about. This is
Baker Mayfield playbook. And I will tell you, Baker Mayfield,
I've told calling this for two years. He's a great leader.
Guys in his locker room generally love him because everything

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he says, everything he does in his mind and his
way is simply to protect his team, his fans, and
that's it. And this is just another case of trying
to promote Cleveland having the greatest fans on earth while
defaming the Giants fans who have no effect on him
because he's never going to play for the Giants, so
it doesn't really matter. The only defense I could come
up with is is it possible that Odell wanted him

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to say that that this was fed to him as like, hey,
take a you know what I mean like or is
this something that maybe O'Dell expressed as something that bothered
him in New York and and Baker is just becoming
the hey give me all your problems and I will
I will voice them for you. I don't know. Sometimes
Baker Mayfield should follow the old adage it's better to

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remain silent, be thoughtful than to speak and move all doubt.
Third point, that's the news. Well, that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the Herdline News. John middlecof form
NFL Scouting. He has his three and Out podcast on
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I have a long talk with Khalid al Amine form
a point guard for Yukon from a point guard of
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of my All Ball podcast as well. Some basketball opinion
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la meine fan? Oh, he's joined us now I'm sorry

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I introed him. All right, So we'll catch up with
John Middlekoff and we'll find out trek Tyreek Hill not
being suspended. How big is that? And wait to hear
what John Elway said about Joe Flacco. That's up coming
next time. Gug Gottlieb, This is the Herd. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays of noon

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Easter not a Empacific Doug Gotlieban for Colin. This is
the Herd on a Friday. Lots of talk about the
Nation Football League running backs overvaluing themselves, or at least
presumably overvaluing themselves. Tyreek Hill won't be suspended even a

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preseason game or practice the despite the accusations of domestic
violence by the mother of his child. And of course
we have John Elway saying, don't worry, we finally got
this right. We have Joe Flacco as our quarterback. Let's
welcome in John Mittlcoff, who joins US three and Out
is the podcast and the Herd podcast network is a

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former NFL scout. Let's start with running backs. Obviously, there's
two very different running backs. Melvin Gordon was the first
one to come out and say like, hey, you know what,
if I don't get what I want, I'm going to sit. Now.
For people who don't know, Gordon's different than Levion Bell
because he's under contract. This is the fifth year of

(32:50):
his rookie deal. He'd make five million change. The Chargers
made him an offer that he did not feel was respectable,
and so he continues to threaten to sit, although obviously
he hasn't missed anything as of yet. What's what's what's
your What are your thoughts on Melvin Gordon and the
ground he stands on trying to hardline negotiate with the Chargers. Yeah,

(33:11):
I mean I think he has, you know, some solid
footing that their team with Super Bowl aspirations, they're a
team built to win right now, and he's one of
their key cogs you know, on their team. They drafted
him high. He's done everything they've asked in terms of
being a good guy. Now he's battled some injuries that

(33:32):
the things he has going against him as he battled
some injuries. Like you said, they've extended an offer, so
it's it's not like they're unwilling to pay him, but
there is I think you have to be prudent in
terms of you can't overpay these running backs, especially a
guy with an injury history, because we see what it
has done to the ramps. And let's face it, Todd
Gurley is a much superior player, and you've at the
time you paid them, you felt better about that. Now

(33:55):
it looks way worse a little bit later. But I
don't know. I mean, I'll be shot if they don't
give him some sort of little kicker. But what if
he doesn't take it. I mean, they have a lot
of other guys to pay on this team that you know.
I think you'd argue that are much more important given
how hard it is replaced them. So I don't know.

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I mean that the Chargers have a history of being
a little cheap, being a little tight with money. I mean,
we've seen the payouts from the media rights. We know
all these teams have the cash, but you do have
to be smart about how you allocate it. And i'd
say paying a running back, even one that you draft
in the first round you know, can can get you
in trouble. Yeah. Look, I think what's interesting is everyone

(34:38):
wants to use he wants to use the Todd Gurley deal,
but the Todd Gurley deal looks like a bad contract.
And if you want to use the Leveon Bell contract,
he just can point out, Hey, Leveon Bell contracts so bad.
The GM who signed it got fired shortly thereafter. Like
those those may seem like comps for your house if
you will, but those are not quality comps. And if

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you're the Chargers, you were able to win without him.
You've offered him a deal. I've been told it was
in the ten million dollars a year variety for the
first couple of years in the mid twenties in terms
of guaranteed money, or he could roll the dice played
for five and a half, they could franchise tag him.
He'd make roughly eighteen million over the next two years.
So that's there in kind of lies there bumping. He

(35:21):
has to decide do I want to show up or not?
And if I don't, unlike Levion Bell, there's fines that
they can levy because he's under contract for sure. I
mean a couple of years ago, maybe it was last year.
It might have been two years ago. They gave the
Atlanta Falcons gave DeVante Freeman looking right now, about twenty
two million dollars. So that's a little less than the

(35:41):
guarantees that Levion got. But ever since they gave him
that contract, he's been injured. He struggled to stay on
the field. And that's not twenty two million. You know,
in pro sports, guaranteed isn't that much. But again, when
it's a running back and then that player, you know,
you go, you play two seasons and he only played
twenty games, that's a problem, you know, And that's that's

(36:03):
the biggest issue. You know, for the most part. You know,
an offensive lineman, you know, a defensive lineman, you know,
a wide receiver are probably gonna be there with these
running backs at any moment. You look up at their
game logs and they've played nine of sixteen games. And
when you've allocated a lot of cash to him, that hurts.
He's only been healthy one of the last four years.
And you don't get healthy er as you get older, right,

(36:26):
no one gets healthy? All right? What about Ezeki Elliott?
The Cowboys are trying to navigate the Dack thing. Now,
Zeke's like, hey, I want mine? How does that end up?
I think this is pretty simple. You know, Doug, you
have kids, and I talked about this on my podcast.
If your son gets in trouble at school, he doesn't

(36:49):
ask that day to go play with his friends. Like, Zeke,
you just got in trouble, and you've been in trouble
countless times, Like, I don't think this is the right
time to kind of take a hard line stance. You
need some more cash, like just lay low. You know,
Jerry's had your back every step of the way. You
were the number, you know, number four overall pick. He

(37:09):
got twenty four million dollars and Doug his fifth year
option next year is nine million dollars, like the money
that all these guys want. So at the end of
his five years is a first round pick, he'll have
made almost thirty four million dollars. And again, Jerry Jones
is his biggest supporter, who when that draft room wanted
to take Jalen Ramsey, He's like, no, I want Zeke

(37:31):
and then he I mean two years ago when Zeke
got suspended, he went toe to toe with the commissioner
and Jerry was ticked off. So I don't understand if
you're Zeke. It's one thing if you're playing for Belichick
and you know at any moment he can get rid
of you and doesn't care about you. That's not the
case here. Like, Zeke, this guy you know, is gonna
like you more in the NFL than any other GM

(37:52):
or any other coach in the league. He's got your back.
You know, he wants to pay you. Plus you know
he's the guy cutting the check, so he will pay you.
But come on, bro, you just you know, you're acting
like an idiot in Vegas. Now, it wasn't a suspendable offense,
but you caused Jerry a headache and you had to
go see the commissioner just to even let this leak
out that you're thinking about it to me as a

(38:13):
borderline embarrassment. And I know the media now is so
pro player, but this could be universally kind of you know.
The stamp on this one from our perspective should be
come on, Zeke, you're in the wrong here, buddy. Yeah, yeah,
this is this is the guy who's who just got
caught in an uncomfortable situation with another woman, then going

(38:35):
to his wife and saying, hey, I'm what do you
think about a guy's about a guy's trip, a guy's
golfing trip, And she's like, no, now, is now? Is now?
Is not the time? John Middlecoffre Gaestrin out is the podcast? Um,
I feel like the NFL not punishing Tyreek Hill tells
you they got they got nothing that the audio, though

(38:56):
uncomfortable and leading, led many of us to believe it's
something bad happened in the in the full audio has
to either vindicate him or have no smoking gun in it,
because we've seen them suspend guys for what they assumed
to have happened. Why do you think the NFL to

(39:18):
this point has walked away put the gun back in
the holster in terms of how they're handling Tyreek Hill
in the domestic violence case? Well, why know this? I
know the chiefs people pretty well, and they are they
were very very confident. Two things with Tyreek Obviously what
happened when he was in Oklahoma state. You know they
took a chance on him, But ever since they've had

(39:38):
him that they think he has been nothing but a
model kid like that they signed off on him. They
go to the map forum where if you talk to
them about Kareem Hunt, they thought it was the opposite.
So when this happened, they believed everything he was telling them,
and my take was always simple, Like I think most
people would common sense if he did it, he should
go to jail, you know, but if he did and

(40:00):
you know, sometimes these the way it's snowballs on social
media can be uncomfortable with us just saying this guy's
guilty before none of us know. But I think your
question about the NFL, I don't know, it doesn't make
much sense because it does feel like they've nailed a
lot of people who have also been in a position
where you know, it's just kind of unclear now, you know,

(40:23):
obviously a lot of people have stood before Roger and
said they were innocent, and he still suspended them. So
I do understand the people that go, well, this doesn't
make any sense. It doesn't add up. I would tend
to agree. I don't quite get it because you would
assume even if they were unclear and they couldn't get
her to testify in front of the league, which obviously

(40:44):
she has zero illegal ramification to talk to Roger Goodell,
but she doesn't have to do that. But you'd think
they just give him like a two gamer, you know,
for basically just putting your name, you know, in front
of the league. I mean, Ruben Foster Doug He's obviously
injured now. But the time when last year at Tampa Bay,
when his ex girlfriend came and she claimed he hit her,

(41:05):
which proved to be another lie. They still they docked it.
They didn't suspend him, but just for getting arrested the
team hotel again on something he did not do, they
took away two game checks. So that there's not there's
not really much consistency with Roger Goodell. I would say
this one's a little head scratcher. I would have assumed
even if they thought he was innocent, just for dragging

(41:28):
the name of the shield, you know, through the headlines,
he'd get a couple games. So big win for the Chiefs.
I mean it's i'd say, non quarterback, you could argue
he's the best offensive player in the league. I mean
he's an unstoppable force. So from a football perspective, this
is a pretty big game changer for the NFL, no question,
no question, And combined with Pat Mahomes and that offense

(41:50):
completely changing the dynamic of that team. And that week
one last year against the Chargers wasn't couldn't couldn't stop him,
Thanks so much, John John middlecop three out is the podcast.
Download that in the Herd podcast Network. Guarantee we're gonna
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(42:12):
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(42:33):
Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie filling in for the
the fly fishing again today. Colin Cowherd, is he I
didn't Old River runs through it. Colin Cowherd, I want
to be a fly on the wall. I'm getting on
the next fly fishing trip, no question, zero questions. Colin

(42:57):
actually does that. He actually I don't know if he's
ever done this to you, Goulay, but he'll say, like, man,
you know I'm going to Utah X Friday. Why don't
you come? Like, because I'm filling in for you, Colin.
Kind of hard to do. So, yeah, there's been a few.
We should have a big we should have a staff
outing out in Utah. Right, sure, let me just line

(43:18):
up to pay for all of that so I can
come join you at your house. No bagel Friday today
at the Fox slot because we're not on the Fox slot.
At least I'm not on the Fox slot. Doug Gotlieben
for Colin the iHeartRadio app or Fox Sports Radio. My
man Eric Wood, who last year was his first year
being retired now is going to cover college football for
the ACC Network, will join us upcoming in fifteen minutes.

(43:40):
We will talk a little bit of ACC football, but
a lot of NFL because, of course, for a decade
he was a tremendous offensive lineman a league. So I'm
sitting here thinking, guys are reporting now to training camp.
I'm taking my show to the Rams camp on the

(44:01):
twenty ninth of July. That's a week from Monday. Like
it's basically here. Summer for football players is Canno over.
And it happened really fast. We're almost to August. August's
training camp is hard Knocks is preseason games is the

(44:22):
hype machine. And once we get to September, it gets real.
And that realness in September, woo is not really what
it would seem. But that doesn't stop us from covering
it this way, right, So what we did was we
put together what we think there'll be seven overreactions upcoming

(44:45):
in seven weeks. We're seven weeks away from the NFL.
Week one of the season starts September fifth is a Thursday,
so that seven weeks from last night in September eighth
is of course the first Sunday of NFL games. Packers Bears,
hundredth year of the NFL, longest rivalry in the NFL,
will open the season. Kind of makes sense. You got

(45:07):
some amazing matchups right from Colts taking on the Chargers,
which I love, Rams taking on the Panthers. What will
Cam Newton's arm look like assuming that he's back. Atlanta
and Minnesota two teams that are consistently hyped, And the culmination,
of course on Sunday night is New England without Leveon

(45:28):
Bell without Antonio Brown taking on Excue Me, Pittsburgh without
Leveyon Bell without Antonio Brown taking on the defending champion
New England Patriots. All Right, Like that's a that's a
good Sunday. Any Sunday that begins with that begins with
the Rams and Panthers. Titans and Browns, Chiefs and Jaguars,

(45:53):
and ends with Patriots and Steelers. That's a good day.
That's a really good day. But this is what we
do in the NFL. We massively overreact to one game.
Like one of the things the college football season allows
us to do. There'll be some early season games that

(46:14):
are really the first weekly games, but we do we're like, wow,
you know, they're college kids. There's no preseason games. They're
still figuring out. And then they have a couple of
games against sisters of the Poor, and then we get
to real football and it builds up and generally the
teams that you knew that you thought were good, Alabama
and Clemson, we're gonna be good, and they'll be good
at the end. The only question is can they beat
the Georges of the world. You know, can they win

(46:36):
the semifinals? Who comes out of the Big Twelve between
Oklahoma and Texas and etcetera. In Michigan and Ohio State.
But in the NFL, because there's so much turnover year
to year, week to week, we overreact. Seven weeks from now,
there are seven things that we're going to overreact to.

(46:57):
Remember last year it was Aaron Rodgers and an improbable
comeback on Sunday Night football against the same Bears. Khalil
Mack after being traded was ridiculous in the first half,
but then he seemed to run out of gas. This
year's game is in Chicago, but this year's game they
won't have. No one will have seen Matt Lafleur's offense

(47:20):
combined with Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers before
that Thursday night game like they're not going to show
anything in the preseason. And so a fully healthy Aaron
Rodgers with a wide receiving corps which has yet another
year to evolve, a defense in the second year in
the Mike Patton system on the road against the Bears,

(47:44):
a team who he has consistently no matter how good
or bad the Bears are dominated seven weeks from now,
Matt Lafloor is going to be a genius. What an
incredible higher right like Look, the time where Aaron rodgers
leadership and evolution will be challenged will be when they
face adversity, when he plays poorly, when the offense six

(48:08):
weeks in gets figured out, when people have tape on
what they're doing with Aaron Rodgers within that system. But
Week one is not that week with no book on
Rogers inside that offense. Roger against the Bears and a
Bears defense which by the way, lost their defensive coordinator
to the Denver Broncos. It feels like seven weeks from now,

(48:29):
we're gonna be sitting here going see, Matt Lafloor is
a great hire. He knows Sean McVeigh and that makes
him a great coach. Seven weeks from now, it feels
like we're going to call the Patriots dynasty over for
the fifth, six, seventh, eighth time right now. Look, a
realist will point out that it wasn't just Brady, but

(48:51):
Brady Breeze and other older quarterbacks like a Philip Rivers
faded down the stretch. It is this same Tom Brady
who threw two and what should have been three interceptions
against Kansas City Chiefs, like he did not perform well
late in the season up to his own standards. And
whether it's father time or the fact they don't have

(49:14):
a great receiving corps. Now they've lost Rob Grencows, they've
lost guys on the defensive side of the football. Going
against up against the Steelers, team that this is their
super Bowl, this is there, this will be their chance
to prove that they're a better team, in spite of
the fact they don't have as much talent without Levy
On and Antonio Brown. And the Patriots always seem to

(49:34):
come out of the gates slowly because they use the
first four weeks as extended training camp, whether it was
Detroit last year or Kansas City a couple years ago.
How many times have we seen the Patriots get dismantled
early in season, where you go, all, right, now is
the time I'm selling my Patriots stock, knowing full well
they get the Bills twice, the Jets twice, the Dolphins twice,

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and ultimately they'll be in the playoffs and they'll be fine.
But the power running offense is designed for late in
the year. They are built to win in the playoffs,
much like Shack was never in shape in the regular season,
Tom Brady, Bill Belichick. Though, they will pretend to care
and we'll learn a lot from it. Seven weeks from now,

(50:18):
we're gonna be saying the Patriots dynasty's over. Seven weeks
from now, I kind of feel like Ryan Fitzpatrick will
have once again proved the skeptics wrong. Maybe Josh Rosen
is the starting quarterback as they take on the Baltimore Ravens,
where you have two of last year's rookies going up
against each other. But Fitzpatrick has been a guy who

(50:42):
consistently has shown that in short doses he can light
up the league, but in longer doses he's Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Fitz Magic eventually wears out and the backup comes in
or the starter comes back and he's the better quarterback.
It happened in Tampa last year. The last time he

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had a long term contract was with Buffalo. We know
how that ended. Ryan Fitzpatrick Week one of the season
feels like a locked up cinch. If he can win
the start, that he'll throw for four hundred yards and
will somehow say that we were all wrong about Fitzpatrick,
when if you've watched him and the case studying Ryan

(51:24):
Fitzpatrick is always the same. A couple of really good games,
he starts to force things. His lack of arm strength
tends to come back and get him. Now he's playing outdoors,
unlike Week one of the season last year, where he
played indoors. Granted, the warm weather helps him because of
his age, but ultimately he gets exposed and against the
Ravens defense which lost all of their dynamic pass rushers.

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Seven weeks from now, we're gonna say, man, just too
much scoring in this league. We have gotten away from
what football is about. Too much scoring, too much throwing,
not enough running. In the football, defense doesn't matter because
the rules are all set up for the offense. The

(52:07):
offenses will be ready to go. Younger quarterbacks will be
throwing the ball and get getting rid of it more
quickly only having half the field. But we'll we'll have
ridiculous numbers because early in the season they call everything
on the defense. Everything. Every past interference or even ones
that aren't called, can now be reviewed. Every amount of

(52:30):
contact close to the head or using the head will
be penalized. Every defensive hold will be called. Why because
in order to get attention, order to grasp the fans,
the fantasy football fans, the first month two months the
season is about offense. Offense wins games, defense wins championships. Oh,

(52:51):
seven weeks from now, we're going to say Levion bells
out of shape? Right? Doesn't just feel that way? They
take it on the Buffalo Bills playing at home first
week of the season, and Levion won't look like his
old Levion self. Or maybe he will, but it's really
hard for Leveon Bell, who likes to get to the
line of scrimmage and yawn and take a nap and

(53:12):
then make a cut, to play that way when you're
not used to playing with Levion Bell, and he might
not have the burst having had a year and a
half off of football. Like the idea that a guy
who hasn't taken a snap in a year and a half,
who chose not to go to OTA's, who will likely
not get many carries in in the preseason, will somehow

(53:35):
be sharp as attack week one of the season seems
hard to believe. He may have fresh legs, but he
won't be fresh cutting the football. Leveon Bell will will
say he's a complete bust, even though at the end
of the day, he'll find a way if he stays
healthy to put up yards. To figure it out. They'll
find ways to get him the football. Adam Gase will
make it work. Maybe he's overpaid, but without a great

(53:58):
offensive line with a ton of knowledge of how to
play with him, and without playing football for a year
and a half, Levion's not going to be sharp. No
one is when they have that much of a layoff.
And lastly, don't we think that Cliff Kingsbury is gonna
look like a genius. Don't we just assume that a

(54:19):
new offensive system with a new young quarterback, where they're
going to fire it up and fire the football, whether
or not they win, whether or not it's sustainable, won't
seem to matter to those of us in the media.
We will overreact and say the Patriots are done. Then
Levion's out of shape, that Matt Lafleur is a genius.
But Cliff Kingsbury air raid style week one, it'll work

(54:42):
because people won't have seen it. But much like young
quarterbacks or even starting pitchers, it's the second time around
where people figure you out seven weeks from now. Will
overreact to the NFL. We always do. I do it,
Colin does it. You do it. As fans. We do
it on every network. And those are my seven guesses

(55:03):
on what will happen. Doug Gottliebin for Colin, this is
the herd. Eric Wood's going to join us upcoming next
we'll do a little NFL and get his thoughts on
when the hell is Baker Mayfield talking about? Well, what
did Baker Mayfil talk about? I'm also going to ask him.
No one's discussed the Bills. They made a dramatic, dramatic

(55:24):
draft pick going back a year ago. What will they
look like in year two? And can anyone beat Clemson
in the ACC or even compete with Clemson in the ACC?
Find out next in the Herd. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern not
Ampacific on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeart

(55:48):
Radio app. Doug got leebin for Colin this is the Herd.
I thought this is the perfect guy to have on
today as we get ready for NFL training camps. He
was part of it for he's part of the league
for a decade decade and last year because of a

(56:10):
neck injury, right he had to retire and well, I
mean just watching his kind of evolution transformation now he
was just named an analyst for the ACC network. Obviously
with his h with his background having played in college
at Louisville and now getting a chance to cover what

(56:31):
I think most would hope would be the reformation of
Louisville football. Eric Wood joins US here in the herd.
What are you your first camp as a pro. You're
twenty what twenty three years old at a college? What
are your remember as your first camp? My first camp,

(56:51):
we had the Hall of Fame game, so we had
an extra week in camp, that little bonus week, and
I was a first rounder back with all first rounders
pretty much had to hold out. The contracts weren't slotted
like they are now, and shoots the bill sitn't even
start negotiating with me until, I believe, until camp started,
So I missed the first week. I was sitting in

(57:11):
Orchard Park board out of my mind at my apartment.
Tell my agent to give me a deal. And so
I showed up after about a week and did pretty well.
I felt like early in camp. And then we go
to play the Hall of Fame game, and we go
to play the Titans, and I had a couple welcome
to the NFL moments in that first preseason game. They
played their backup, so I had a d M lined

(57:33):
over me at a three technique who worked me a
couple of good times in pass for a week. Threw
an interception, I got blasted, my helmet came off, my shoe,
fell off on the play was it was the fun
one from a home of beginnings. Go you now fits
your first camps. Fitzpatrick was a backup, right, was in

(57:54):
Trent Edwards? Maybe the start? Well who is the starter
your first year to start the season? Yep, it was
Trent Edwards and we had switched to the no huddle offense. Um,
a lot of turmoil. We Uh we fired or offense
the coordinator actually after our last preseason game, so that
we went into the regular season with a new offense
and uh, it was pretty tumultuous. And then we go

(58:16):
to play in New England and the opener at New
England on Monday night and really should have beat him
in Leotis Mcalvin fumbles that kickoff if you remember that game. Um,
and uh, you know we started the season on and one.
We had some high hopes, but ended up missing the
playoffs and keeping that stringle on. Okay, So, um, why
why couldn't Ryan Fitzpatrick sustain the success? Because he took

(58:40):
over that year and he's pretty good And the next year,
you guys struggled and eventually you guys drafted EJ. Manuel
and he was out. But that that was the longest
tenure that he had. Why couldn't Fitzpatrick sustain his success?
You know, it's stuff to say, and you could say
it was you know, you could say a lack of
down around him. You can name it on a number

(59:02):
of things. But um, fitz is super smart, he's aggressive.
You know, at the time, we just didn't have very
good teams. You know, if we had a better defense
in twenty eleven, we had a great offense that year.
It fits put up great numbers. You know, we have
a better defense to make the playoffs. You know, I
think he remains the starter there. But um you know,
I'm a huge Ryan Fitzpatrick van. I think everybody is

(59:23):
that's played with him, And um, I would imagine that's
part of the reason he keeps bouncing around and getting
starting gigs. And I think it'll be an NFL record
if he starts and throws a pass for the Dolphins
at any point this season. So really rooting for my
boy fits down in Miami this year. Um, Okay, See
here here's a hard question, because I think you're working
with EJ. Manuel is gonna work with the ACC network.

(59:45):
But EJ comes in and he never really lived up
to the billing. How how long does it take the
line the offense to know if you got a dude.
You know, that's such a tough call. You know. EJ
comes in and we were supposed to have Kevin Cobb
on the roster, who was gonna be the starter. Let
EJ grow under him. Well, he got a concussion in

(01:00:08):
his third preseason game, which ended his career. EJ in
that same game tears up his knee and I've leaved
towards Finiscus in our third preseason game. So going into
our fourth preseason game, we rested Jeff tool and undrafted
free agent because he was likely going to be the
Day one starter. So EJ ends up starting that year,
starts to seize it for us with a Tormaniscus. You know,

(01:00:31):
we had a first time NFL offensive coordinator, not Nate Hackett,
and he knows just a number of things. And I
actually had this conversation with DJ recently. It's tough on
a young quarterback that doesn't have a veteran backup or
even a veteran starter in front of him that he
can kind of learn from. But when you're a first
round guy, you're expected to start right away and I'm
Unfortunately for EJ. It didn't work out in Buffalo, and

(01:00:53):
then once you kind of start bouncing around, he went
to Oakland, was a backup there and then was in
Kansas City this off season before he decided just to
kind of transition to the media side and move on
to the a SEC network. Eric Wood joining us a
longtime Buffalo Bill now an analyst for the ACC Network.
I do you want to call in your ACC network

(01:01:13):
skills in a moment. Obviously you were you were around
the Bills last year, You're you had expectations to play
for the Bills last year. What's your what's your assessment
after watching Josh Allen for a year And I like
Josh a lot, and actually I'm going to be the
Bills radio analyst this year as well, so kind of

(01:01:34):
double dip in college football on Saturdays and then had
wherever Buffalo is playing for Sunday and call their games,
and um, you know, I really love Josh is a
better athlete than I ever would have imagined. I can
do a lot with his legs, but I think the
Bills wanted to do a whole lot more with his
arm this year and not taking as many shots stay
in the pocket more, They added some weapons, they added

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a ton up front for him, and UM, I really
like his game. And now in this year or two
with the same offensive coordinator back Brian Dave All, hopefully
UM get some continuity with these new receivers, new O
line and really take a step more this year because, um,
you know, when you take a quarterback in the top ten,
you're you're kind of all in on him. Um, but

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you know, Matt Barkley backing him up, has been around
the league, has some experience to really pour into him,
and hopefully he'll take a big step this year. How
is he accurate enough? Like that was that was the
big question. He can throw it a mile, He's got
a great body, great athlete. Is he accurate enough? You know?
And that'll be that that'll be a question mark heading
into this year because because at times last year and

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I believe last year he progressed in his accuracy. And
you know, I think a lot of accuracy in the
NFL comes from anticipation, timing, continuity with receivers. You know,
you put Josh Allen out of football field and tell
him to throw through a hoop. You know, most quarterbacks
in the NFL are are probably pretty similar in a
drill similar to that. Now, you take a top guy

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like Tom Brady and he knows exactly where his receiver
is gonna sit. Now, he demands those guys as well,
so that's part of it. But Tom knows exactly where
he wants the receiver to sit. That guy sits right there,
and he put the right on his chest. You know,
there's been times, you know, through my time with the Bills,
where we go into a season with another new offense,
with another new set of receivers, and you see quarterback

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accuracy issues and sometimes it's an aeron throw and other
times it's just a lack of communication and lack of continuity.
You mentioned lack of continuity. You told me this one's
Eric Wood joining us. How many head coaches did you do?
You play for seven head coaches in nine years now
that includes two interims. Rex got fired midseason and so
did Dick drawn But um, you know, seven head coaches

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in nine years, and shoot, probably just as many offensive coordinators,
probably more offensive coordinators, right, I mean you had you
had one get fired in the preseason, so there's two
and two in that year. I mean you probably probably won't.
But it's it's it's a catch twenty two. Right. Sometimes
you hire a guy and he doesn't have it, and
he got to get rid of him. On the other hand,

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there's no way to know, maybe fully if he has
it or if he can fix it, because you don't
give if unless you give more time. If you get
more time, it only still balls and gets worse, right, right, absolutely,
And that's where at times I'm glad I wasn't the
one making those decisions. But you know, I talked to
Tom Brady after a game one time, probably two or
three years ago, and he was talking about how, you know,

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Josh McDaniels was back, but even when Josh was gone,
they were running a similar offense. So every year they're
installing the same offense and they bring a lot of
guys back yere to here and then you know his
running back to coach was there for twenty years, Dante
Scarnekia their offensive line coach. He took. He was away
for a year or two, he comes back. He was

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with his eighteen year I think with Tom Brady at
the time. You know, when you have a staff like that. Now,
granted those are all excellent coaches. But when you have
a staff like that and you can continue to build.
Now you know exactly where guys are supposed to be.
Everybody knows exactly what they're doing. It just makes it
easier to go out perform on Sunday. Last thing, in
regards to the NFL, how do the Patriots do it defensively?

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Because a lot of that personnel is not big name
personnel and for years they haven't had a ton of
playmakers on the defensive side of the football. But you
went again for nine years, you went against the Patriots
to very very limited success, but you knew what you
were looking at defensively. What is the secret to that sauce?

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You know, it sounds simple, but they take away, they
try and take away each week what you do best.
They're going to try and take away your best playmaker,
whether that's coverage for a receiver, whether it's loading the
box for running back. They're very multiple, So you might
prepare for a scheme all week and now they roll
out this different scheme. But then you have guys with

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concrete responsibilities that do the same thing every time. So
it may be a four down front and now they
give you a three down front. Well, they're not asking
guys to do crazy stuff. They say, Okay, Alan Branch instance,
who was there, or vins Wilmore, he's still going to
two gap a guy. He's gonna put his hands and read. Well,
they can kind of put him wherever they want and
just ask him to do the exact same things. And

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so how multiple they are can kind of confuse an offense,
especially early in the game. They're generally going to give
you a blitzer two that you haven't seen, and then
they're going to take away what younew best and make
you beat them in a different way than you're comfortable doing.
And then they're not going to turn the wall over
a whole lot. On offense, you're not going to get
many short fields. So you just have to continue to
sustain success throughout a game, which a lot of teams

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just aren't able to do against them. Eric Quid joining
us new analysts for the ACC Network as well as
the radio analysts for The Buffalo Bill's longtime Buffalo Bill
joining us. I'm Doug Gottlieb, feeling in for Colin. This
is the herd from the college side. Can anybody, I mean,
like I get A and M they got A and
M coming in early in the year, but Clemson has

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their most difficult games at home, and the league is
just you know, it feels like you're a year or
two away from Florida State being back. You know, Mac
Brown just got to North Carolina. Can anybody legitimately give
Clemson a game in that league? I mean, I don't
like anybody's chances this year. You know, Clemson returns a
whole lot of talent off that excellent team that had

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last year that won the national championship and gave it
to Alabama in the championship game. You know, they play
Syracuse earlier than the year. Syracuse has giving them some
fits over the last couple of years, but you know,
Clemson just has an absolute tremendous amount of talent on
their team. They're well coached, and I don't like anybody's chances.
I was looking at their win percentages projective win percentages

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against each team, and I think the top two teams
that have you know, a slight chance against them would
be A and M. And I think their next closest
game was South Carolina. So not a whole lot of
credit being given to the rest of the A SEC
and they truly are the class of the conference right now.
You know at Florida State down Virginia Techs not at
the top of their game. Miami's not what would they

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once were. Um, you know Clemson should run away with it.
When you see Trevor Lawrence, what do you see, dude?
You see an NFL ready quarterback, a guy that can
make all the throws, had some athleticism, extremely poised last
year for an eighteen nineteen year old kid. And I
was impressed how even how he interviews. You know, he

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looks the part, he acts the part. Um. Those are
the types of guys that Um, I think the NFL
wished there wasn't that three year rule because um not
saying teams would be tanking for him. But um, I
think he'd be the number one pick coming out after
this year. Yeah, I know, he's He's a special kid.
The problem if you change that rule is now you
have so many who aren't ready who would come in right.

(01:08:43):
He's the exception and normally the rules you need, you need,
you need a couple of years. Would he can't wait
to hear you covering both the college game and the
pro game. Appreciate you joined us who as we get
ready for training camps to open. Thanks for be our
guest on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, anything for you, Doug
on that forget us sitting in Tallahassee together waiting for
a flight, and you ask me what I wanted to do,

(01:09:04):
and I said, man, I just wanted in, And you
made about five calls on my behalf and um, I
don't know if any of those are the reason that
I got two gigs this year, but I'll tell you
what that meant out to me. So anything I can
ever do for you, you know, the brother, what are
your the best? Thanks for joining us man Eric Eric Wood,
Eric Wood joining us, by the way, that's the that's
the that's the Colin Cowherd. That's the Uh, there's there's

(01:09:26):
some other that's Brian Anderson of course works for Turner Sports.
I mean that's the pay it forward. If you see
a guy who's good, you hear a guy who's good,
you tell other people if this guy's good, because you know,
it doesn't matter if it's your support or somebody else's support.
They everyone deserves an opportunity to display their talents. I'm
Doug gotlie feeling in for Colin. This is of course
the Herd. You know, he was talking about Trevor Lawrence

(01:09:49):
and we're talking about Josh Allen and some of the
younger quarterbacks. Obviously, we're going into a season where Saints,
the Chargers, the Patriots all have older quarterbacks that we
feel like we can count on to deliver based upon
their years of past performance. But there is something that

(01:10:10):
you can count on which is not a positive from
those quarterbacks. Tell you what that? Tell you what that
is that we get to the news with John Gleas
No No on the This is the Herd Line News. Doug.
It was a rough outing in the Open Championship for
Tiger Woods. He looked to be in pain. He finished
six over, which is going to be about five shots

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off the projected cut line. Here was Tiger after his
round this morning. I just wanted some time off, just
to go away from it. Had a long trip to
Thailand and then try to get ready for this event.
Play this event. It's been on a lot of travel,
a lot of time in the air, a lot of
moving around and different hotels and everything. I just want

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to just want to go home. Yeah, that is bad.
So he's just want to go home. Have you ever
been one of one of those trips, You've been on
a trip like that, you're like, yeah, I'm I'm I'm
good and ready to go home. I've definitely been on
the golf course before where you get like halfway through
the round and you're like, golf add you get like

(01:11:15):
the fourteenth hole, You're like, you're just going through the motions.
You just want to get to the nineteenth hole and
have one. You know. Actually, sometimes it gets so bad
where you don't even want You're like, I don't want
to have a beer and reminisce about this round. I
just want to go home. I just want I just
want to go home. How disappointed that Tiger will not
be part of the weekend in the final major of

(01:11:36):
the year. Oh, it's awful. It's bad for the sport.
But more than anything, like, I feel for the I
feel for the guy. Look, this is professional sports, like
professional sports at the highest level. I mean, I think, um,
I think Tony Bennett said this right when they were

(01:11:56):
beaten by even collegiate sports, and they're beaten by Maryland
Baltimore County, right, UNBC. Hey, Look, everybody only thinks of
the succet. When you step into the arena, everybody only
thinks of the success, Like you can get humiliated really fast.
John Smoltz might be the best pitcher I've ever seen.
John Smoltz is a Hall of Famer. As a starter

(01:12:16):
and a closer, he was great and he's an unbelievable
analyst and apparently a great golfer. Two But if you
remember Smoltzy, didn't he end his career as a Boston
Red Sock and not no, because like there are just
times in which the next generation steps up where you're
going to be made to look like you don't belong
out there. And I mean Jason Kidd at the end

(01:12:38):
of his run. And I'm not saying this the end
for Tiger Woods, but Jason Kidd's last playoffs there, he
couldn't make a layup. It just goes on you really quickly,
and you want to be anywhere other than on that
professional playing surface, and that's where Tiger Woods is. That's
how bad this weekend was. It does It doesn't sound
good either when he's talking about how he just needs
time off and we all kind of feel like we
haven't really watched him since the mask, you know, he

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hasn't really been in the majors, he hasn't made it
towards the end, and he's taken so many weeks off.
I feel like he has been off, so I feel
like we're getting robbed of more Tiger Celtics GM Danny
Ainge has been doing some damage control this week in
regards to NBA free agency. He said a couple of
days ago that Plan A was bringing in Kemba Walker
and Ennis Cantor, which no one's really buying. Cantor, friend

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of the show. I love when we've had him on,
but I don't think he was the preferred big over
keeping Al Horford. He is now saying that he knew
this season Kyrie would be leaving to go home. Take
a listen. He did expressed to me on a couple
of occasions between between March and the end of that

(01:13:46):
he really wanted to go home, and you know, I
got the impression at that point that he wanted to
play in Brooklyn more than he wanted to play in
New York. This to me seems more like I don't
know that anyone blames the Celtics for losing Kyrie, but
it kind of doesn't look good. When he's going back
and saying, oh, no, no, no, we knew all along

(01:14:08):
he was gonna leave. Yeah, I mean I don't know.
I mean, you know Danny Ainge saying that Kemba Walker
was plan A. Maybe they did a great job of
keeping a secret. It obviously wasn't a secret to many
people because we felt like he was emotionally disconnected and

(01:14:29):
out by about March or April. But I look, I
do think this is this is some spinning, some spin
doctoring from Danny Ainge. Well, I think they did a
great job. I really do, considering they lost Kemba and
they didn't want those last two years to pay Al
Horford in year three, in year four in the twenty
five million dollars variety, I think they did a very

(01:14:50):
good job. You know, Kemba is not as good, but
maybe maybe a better fit, and they're gonna do the
They're just gonna throw a bunch of numbers. They got
top rebounder and France to be a big bulk inside.
You know. They they draft a undersize five four five
man as well out of Tennessee. Like they did some
nice things to replace them. But your spin doctoring and

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if you're telling us they expected all these things to happen.
That's the news, Doug, Well, that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by The Herdline News. Doug gottlieb In for Colin,
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Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter not a Empacific Doug Alligan for Colin.
This is the Herd Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports one. I.
Thanks to Eric Wood, radio analysts for the Buffalo Bills
longtime Buffalo Bill and of course UH college food analysts
for the ACC Network for joining us. You know we're

(01:16:26):
gonna We're gonna do this, and radio shows do this
locally all the time. They do the Mic Friends says
of the old Mike and the mad Dog when the
schedules would come out, Well, that's that's a win. That's
a loss, Dog, that's a that's a loss, Mike, Right,
That's that's what people do, is they look at schedules
and they assume win and loss. And we assume that

(01:16:49):
players will always perform up to their reputation or resume
injury notwithstanding. And I do think it's kind of interesting
how how we look at how we look at these
older quarterbacks in the National Football League, What what has happened?

(01:17:13):
What has allowed Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, maybe
more so than Ben Roethlisberger, because Ben rothspurg is coming
off a five thousand yards season which didn't play in
the playoffs. But Ben, if you know about Ben, he's
had arm issues late dead arm issues late in the
season in the past, and I believe the past two

(01:17:34):
offseasons he's told people like I don't even throw football,
won't pick it up. But the others like one of
the reasons that Philip Rivers and Drew Brees and Tom
Brady have been so good is in preseason they are workaholics.
Every year, the Saints and the Chargers scrimmage and Breese

(01:17:55):
gets to bring his family up from San Diego and
they always film these crazy like trick shot videos between
Breeze and Rivers and they have a lot of fun.
But if you talk to people inside those organizations, they
actually don't like it because they would prefer if Breeze
and Rivers don't throw a football like These guys are

(01:18:18):
such perfectionists. They're so good at their craft that it
doesn't hurt him in August. It makes them sharper in
September and into October, but once you get to December.
Do we not remember Tom Brady's struggles late in the
year against the Buffalo Bills, And I know he lit
up the Jets, but the Jets were trying to be

(01:18:39):
bad and had accomplished that task by the end of
the year, lame duck head coach who was going to
be fired. And he had four touchdowns and no interceptions.
But just before that against Buffalo he threw one hundred
and twenty six yards. He was great against the Chargers
as they're playing with the lead. He had two interceptions
against the Chiefs and probably had a third you know,

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if not for the off side call. And even in
the Super Bowl, while on the last drive he was great,
he didn't have a touchdown pass, he threw an interception
and he looked human. Tom Brady is in fact forty
one years old. Drew Brees is in fact forty years old.
Look at Drew Brees late in the season. What we're

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going to do is we're going to walk into the
season and expect five thousand yards or four thousand yards
from all three of them. And the truth is that
that that Rivers has the best supporting cat Melvin Gordon
shows up to work. He got the best supporting cast.
He's got three good running backs, he's got four good

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wide receivers, he's got Hunter Henry back healthy, like he's
got it all all going for him. But look at
his production late in the year. And don't give me
the Patriot game. They were down twenty eight to seven
before you could even could get up and go for popcorn. Rivers, Breeze,
Brady all struggled late in the year because they're in

(01:20:10):
their late thirties and in their forties and at some
point you've thrown too many footballs. It's the it's the
what happened with It's Clayton Kershaw? Who wasn't you know
once you get to the seventh inning with Kershaw, especially
because in the regular season Kershaw carries you a two
hundred and thirty some odd innings and because there are

(01:20:33):
no air apparents, you know, there's no really no air
apparent with the Chargers. There isn't truly an air apparent.
Although I mean, like, look, if I'm the Saints, I
don't think it's crazy to throw If you want to
throw Teddy Bridgewater. Instead of throwing Teddy Bridgewater out there
week seventeen of the season, why don't you throw Teddy
Bridgewater out in the middle of the season. Let him

(01:20:54):
play a game, Let him play a couple of games,
give Breeze the weekend off. It would give you a
better chance of having a fresh Drew Breese late in
the season. These guys have made their way to being
Hall of Famers because their workaholics. They love to prepare.
They have to know the timing and execution with their

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wide receivers of where they're going to be and how
they're going to be and how they want to throw
a football based upon the reads and based upon the
throws and based upon the different angles. But at some
point father time does catch up. But it doesn't sound
like all of a sudden you can't play football. It's
later in the year. Even if you don't get hit,

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you start to get that dead arm, and maybe you
have Week seventeen off and maybe you have a buy
in the playoffs and that helps you kind of regenerate
some momentum. But if anything, the Chargers, I mean the
Saints are in the best position. They could throw Teddy
Bridgewater out there in the middle of the season for
a game or two games, and I think they would

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get a much better Drew Brees late in the year.
It's very It is the least discussed, most discussed in
front office issue with these teams, because with the Patriots,
all anybody's talking about is their wide receiving corps and
how do you replace Rob Gronkowski. With the Saints, it's
why did our offense get stagnant? And can we continue

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to build on our defense? With the Chargers is can
we please stay healthy? Can we continue to find ways
to protect Philip Rivers because when he has a clean pocket,
he's tremendous. Can we not get down so early. Cannot
have a bad start to the season, and can Joey
Bosa stay healthy. But inside those front offices, like, man,

(01:22:45):
we got some old pieces. It's like it's like on
a Sunday drive, Right, Sunday drive, you can break out
the old Cadillac. On a Sunday drive, you can go
get the convertible and dust it off and cruise it
around in the summer. But if you start driving around
that Sunday car Monday through Friday, driving through traffic to work,

(01:23:09):
there's gonna be a day in which it breaks down.
Older cars just breakdown more they do. Older players just
break down more they do. And the more reps you have, though,
it will refine your offense though, it will sharpen the
execution between your wide receivers and the quarterback. It's the
it's the beauty and the genius to to Peyton Manning

(01:23:33):
was he was such a workaholic that even with a
bad arm, he didn't have a good arm. Especially outdoors
in Denver. He knew exactly where he could throw it
because they worked so hard together. But man, once you
got that dead arm, you got a dead arm, and
it's it's hard to overcome a lack of arm strength
in the NFL. The NFL today chose to not suspend

(01:23:55):
Tyreek Hill for even a moment for the latest estic
violence accusation against him. Why I think they got it right.
Next in the Herd one More Heard. The Herd streams
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(01:24:22):
the Herd. Whereever you may be and however you may
be making this part of your day. Thanks so much.
I'm Doug Gottlie going in for Colin Cowherd. So much
to get to today. We'll talk to some college football upcoming. Also,

(01:24:44):
I'll give him my thoughts on Dak Prescott, who to
this point has not been signed for a long term
contract extension and in truth of Cowboys don't have to
give him a long term contract extension. And today marks
the fifteenth anniversary of a famous show which will make
you feel old. Will make you feel old. Look, a

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lot of people are reacting to Tiger Woods having he
just he just do we have to say, can we
get that sound again? This is Tiger Woods. This is
what it this is what it sounds like. There's there's
a little bit of this. You've ever been on a
long trip, ever been a long trip, a long business
trip or whatever, and you know things aren't going great,

(01:25:30):
and you just you miss home and you had a
bad meeting, you had a bad interaction, you had a
bad meal. It's not that it's a bad place. It's
just like, ah, I'm ready to get This is what
the end of every vacation seems to sound like. Here's
Tiger Woods earlier today. I just want some time off,

(01:25:50):
just go away from it. Had a long trip to Thailand,
and then try to get ready for this event, play
this event. It's been on a lot of travel, a
lot of time in the air, a lot of moving
around and different hotels and everything. I just want to
it's fun to go home. I just I just want
to go home, right, I just I would just like
to go home. I mean, imagine if he liked the

(01:26:13):
rest of us had expenses and expense reports, like, man,
I gotta find my receipts and I got to return
to the rental car, and I gotta remember what did
I tell them I wanted the gas option or no
gas option? He didn't even have to do any of
that as my mouths in Thailand, and then I flew
here and then I'm there, my back stiff and my
neck stiff, and I can't hit the ball straight, and

(01:26:36):
I'm I've been awful on the golf course. I just
want to go home everything. I just want to it's
fun to go home. I just want to go home.
Just ready to go, ready to go. Got it noted.
But we we have this in sports where we expect
older athletes to either never perform or always perform. I

(01:27:00):
got an it. Back and forth with Jason McIntire. Jason
McIntyre usually Friday's right. He usually Fridays, he appears on
Colin Cowhurt show. He has his own show on weekends
here in Fox Portrait the formum of the founder of
the Big Lead. And he was tweeting that Serena Williams
is I don't know what it's two and seven or
last nine, like major finals. And my point was like

(01:27:22):
she's thirty eight years old. When you're thirty eight years old,
you don't always have it. It doesn't mean you never
have it, it means you don't always You're not as
consistently great as you used to be. And as the competition,
the challenges, the level rises, you can go back to

(01:27:43):
the well as much as you want, just sometimes there's
nothing in that well. It reminds me there's a Toby
Keith song that's right on Colin cow Hurt Show. I'm
going to bring up Toby Keith. Toby Keith has his
great song for ladies dudes who you're a little bit
past whatever Sports Prime, Life Prime or whatever. It goes

(01:28:07):
a little something like this, I ain't as good as
I once was, but I'm as good once as I
ever was. I think that's perfect. Like Tiger Woods isn't
as good as he once was. He used to lap
the field in major's and he was as good ones
the Masters as he ever was. And it's it's how

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often can you be consistently competitive? And to this point
he can't. It doesn't mean he won't compete in major's
in the future, but the challenges of of getting ready
for the Masters the Majors are much are it's much
more compact. They're not as spread out as they used
to be because they moved the PGA now inside the

(01:28:54):
Open Championship, right they they've changed the order of things dramatically.
And he's older, and this course was challenging because they
hadn't played they hadn't played it in the Open Championship
since nineteen fifty one, So it's not like Augusta where
he blindfolded, you know, he could shoot par on that course.

(01:29:19):
He's older, he's different, his back isn't perfect, and he
puts so much into the masters that he used as
good once as he ever was, but any as good
as he used to be. All right. Then the other
big story of the day, which is gonna be the
story of the weekend and the next week, is the
NFL has chosen, at least at this point, to not

(01:29:43):
punish Tyreek Hill. Now, most of us heard the audio,
and it was a secretly recorded conversation between his fiance
and him where where where She got him to say, like, yeah,
he should be he should be frightened of me, you

(01:30:05):
should as well. It felt it felt a little like entrapment,
didn't it. It just did felt like she was leading it,
leading the witness and getting him to say And there
were moments in and again this is only the leaked
part of the recording where it felt like he was
admitting to something he was giving something up in the conversation,

(01:30:27):
Butler said that he laid a hand basically said this
is a you know where I'm not only to blame,
You're to blame as well. So the NFL comes out
today and say, like, look, we just we don't have
any evidence. She wouldn't talk to us. He did for
eight and a half hours. We didn't have any evidence.
And in spite of the fact that Twitter has already

(01:30:49):
convicted him and roasts him at the stake, and so
have we. I mean, like, look, I'm just as guilty
as anybody in sports. I heard it, and I'm like, dude,
Tyreek Hill, Tyreek Hill, who played for my aln mater,
and like at Oklahoma State. You don't even want to
see the highlight of him running back the punt to
win the game against Oklahoma because the very next week

(01:31:10):
this exact same woman he was accused and pled guilty
to domestic violence with. But but I almost credit the
NFL here because everyone seemed to be pushing them towards

(01:31:32):
some sort of conviction. He had to do it. Of
course he did it. It's Tyreek Hill. Of course, of
course he did it. And even if he didn't. This
is to any of the potential domestic violence. Anybody who
potentially lay a hand on a woman, we're gonna send you,
even if you're accused of doing it. That's not actually

(01:31:53):
the way it works. It's not actually the way it works.
One of the things is that the Ohio State thing,
which is a year ago right about now, and the
Tyreek Hill thing, which is right now is look, women
that are harmed mentally, emotionally and beaten physically, anyone should

(01:32:17):
stand up for them. Anyone should want that guy locked
up and that couple to stay apart. And this one's
really hard between the two because they have a child
and they've chosen to stay together and no matter what
the level of toxicity of the relationship. Much like the
Zach Smith thing last week the last year, excuse me,

(01:32:38):
who's the former ole House staid coach, they got a
Remyer kind of roped into it. Like the reality of
life is that people do try and work it out
for the kids. And because there probably was an emotional
connection maybe love before this all went down. Is some

(01:32:58):
of its Stockholm syndrome probably, but is some of it
the fact that they just want to work it out
for the kid's sake, because you're better when you have
two parents in the home, especially if you can work
through it then simply hating each other and not dealing
with each other. And maybe the truth is just that
you're probably better off apart anyway, but it's hard for
people to see that. They feel as if it's some

(01:33:18):
sort of failure, if the relationship has failed. But maybe
the bigger point is, hey, not only does sometimes the
guy not do it, but sometimes sometimes the women, not often,
not always, not mostly, but there are occasions in which
the woman will either the woman will try and make

(01:33:42):
the guy look worse than he actually is, and she
can be a part of the problem, not the whole problem,
not most of the problem, but a part of the problem.
Like the reality is, whatever this woman did, You're going
to record a conversation with a guy you have a

(01:34:08):
kid with, with a guy you said yes to marrying,
and then it leaks out to a TV station Like
that is. If that's not an unhealthy relationship, I don't
know what is. If you don't want to be with
him anymore, don't be with him anymore? That it really is.
It feels too simple, and I understand there are other

(01:34:29):
thin parts to it, but the idea that you would
record a conversation. So look, I actually support the NFL
in this in that it feels like they thoroughly investigated
and even though everyone told them, hey, you got enough,
you can suspend him for four games, the policy is
six games. Suspend him for six games. Kick it's the Chiefs,

(01:34:50):
get rid of him, get him off the Chiefs. The
Chiefs have all these other issues. I even said, like,
how can you sign Frank Clark when you got this
going on and you just got rid of Spencer? Where
Like how can you do that? And the answer appears
to be there isn't anything there. I know, we all
have confirmation by us, and we want there to be
something there to prove that Tyreek Hill is a horrible

(01:35:12):
human being and he may be a bad guy, he
may be a being, but you have to have some
sort of proof, and the NFL has failed to uncover
any sort of evidence, so they chose not to suspend him.
And that's kind of the way it's supposed to work.
Not conviction by social media, not conviction by mob mentality,

(01:35:33):
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(01:35:55):
the least interesting, most exciting season? Much like Warriors Calves
three years ago we discussed next in the Herd. Be
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one and the iHeart Radio app. Doug Got Living for Colin.

(01:36:17):
This is the Herd. You won't believe what TV show
began fifteen years ago to day, and it's it is.
It is fascinating on how things change, you know, Like honestly, Gooley,
I've been doing national sports trading effort. This is my
six This will be my sixteenth year, right, sixteen yeah,

(01:36:40):
sixteenth year. So and if you guys can kind of
go back to when I was in college, you know,
the Big twelve was relatively new when I when I
got to the Big twelve in nineteen ninety seven, so
I've kind of seen the evolution and devotion de evolution
of conferences and programs, and it's been fascinating, and we've

(01:37:03):
lived through the decade of dominance by the SEC come
out the other side, and now it's now it's Clemson
who is the is the challenger to Alabama. And of
course with all of these, with all of these media days,
you know, every team, of course had the best recruiting
class ever, unbelievable offseason strength. Coaches got these guys kind

(01:37:25):
of locked in. You can't wait to get after it.
Barrett Sale joins us. Of course, he worked for CBS
Sports dot Com and covering college football for what feels
like my entire professional lifespan as well. Have we help
me out with this. Have we entered a season like
this before where we feel like it's a foregone conclusion

(01:37:48):
who the two teams are going to be standing at
the end? Yeah? I think one time was two thousand
and four when everybody expected Oklahoma, which obviously had lost
the national champion ship, came to LSU the previous year
to play usc which earned a share of the national
championship the year before. And I think those two teams

(01:38:09):
were one and two the entire season, with the exception
of Auburn, might have jumped Oklahoma for one week late
in the season. Um, but that was the year Auburn
one undefeated but didn't win the title. But the only
one off hand that I can think of is that
when when Oklahoma and USC we were head and shoulders
above everybody else going in based on what they had

(01:38:30):
done the year before and and really didn't let up.
And other than that, no, we sort of had seasons
where you expected Florida and Alabama in the late you know,
late two thousands to meet up in Atlanta, but not really.
It hasn't been like this in a long time. It
does feel like we're so much of it is, Um,

(01:38:53):
what is the bias? I'm thinking of something that happened
most recency bias in that because Alabama lost to Clemson,
we forget that Alabama probably should have lost to Georgia, right.
Georgia choked that thing away. They miss a field goal
and all of a sudden they get tight and Alabama
makes a change at quarterback and the rest, as they say,

(01:39:14):
is history. When you know, look, Georgia returns to their quarterback,
they return a ton of talent they've been recruiting at
a similar similar level to Alabama are we just do
we dismiss mentally in our mind how good Georgia was,
how close those two programs are because of the recency
bias of what the final score of that game was,

(01:39:36):
and they didn't play and lose to Clemson. Sure without
a doubt. I mean, you put a title next to
Georgia's name, and they're in that fraternity, and I'd say
they're much closer to being in that fraternity than they
are the you know, Oklahoma Ohio State fraternity below them.
You know, I think they've proved the recruiting. The secret
about Georgia is that it almost cost Alabama the National

(01:40:00):
title game last year because of what Kirby Smart did
to Nick Saban the previous year and his desire to
sort of match up from a recruiting perspective what Kurby
was doing. So what he did nick Saban, he hired
a younger, more energetic, more recruiting centric staff prior to
last season, and that's essentially is what he cost them

(01:40:22):
the national title because those guys were not very good
XS and O's coaches. Georgia is certainly in Alabama's head.
I don't think there's any question about it. I think
The mistake last year Nick Saban made by going younger
from his coaching staff is a direct reaction to what
Kirby was doing on the recruiting trail. Nick obviously tried
to fix that, but it doesn't change the fact that

(01:40:42):
George's roster is is almost, if not as good as
Alabama and Clemson. And I think the one thing standing
in the way of George is that they still have
a relatively new head coach. I mean new in the
sense that Kirby Smart's entering his fourth season ever as
a head coach. And you know, when you're when you're
new at this, sometimes you make dumb mistakes, and Kirby

(01:41:03):
certainly did in the SEC championship game with that ridiculous
fake punt. But um, he still got there. He still
took Alabama to the brink, and you know, had had
one ball bounced one way or the other. Um, you
know it were the last two meetings, you might have
had a title. So um, you know that's that's the
one thing standing in a way in the way, And
it's not necessarily a knock against Kirby Smart. It's just

(01:41:25):
a statement of fact that he's, you know, still sort
of finding his way. I think he'll do it. He
might do it as early as this season, because the
lessons of the last two years Um definitely stick out
in his mind. You know, he might not say it publicly,
and he might not say it in front of cameras,
but he's been thinking about that loss in Atlanta twenty
four seven, three sixty five cent. No question. Beart Salay

(01:41:47):
joined us here in the hurd. I'm Doug Gotlin filling
in for Colin. You can follow him on Twitter. Barrett
is b A R R E two ts and slays
s A L L two E's a lot of a
lot of double let there. But it's It's interesting though,
because UM Georgia not being able to get to finally
beat to vanquish Alabama is a lot like Michigan not

(01:42:11):
being able to and they haven't even been as nearly
as competitive last year. Of course, a couple of years ago.
They they're, you know, one play away really from beating
Ohio State. The difference, obviously is Saban still at Alabama
and Urban Meyer is going to be sitting on our
Fox desk on Saturdays. Let me play for you what
everybody's talking about in college football. This is Jim Harbaugh

(01:42:34):
talking about Urban Meyer. Ruban Meyers had a winning record,
really phenomenal record everywhere has been, but also controversy follows
other word has been. So I take it as I
don't think it's full Steve Spurrier right, well, Hey, controversy
follow him everywhere he's been. You know, they go some
guys to stand so, but I don't. I don't actually think.

(01:43:02):
I don't actually think he said anything that wasn't well,
that was wrong or wasn't true. But obviously it's going
to rattle some and Urban's gonna be covering him this year.
What what's your take when you hear Harball say that, well,
he's one right about urban Meyer. I mean, I don't
think there's any question about that. I mean that's not
an opinion. That's I think a statement offfect or a
scandal does and has followed Irban Meyer throughout his major

(01:43:26):
college coaching career. With that said, I think it's a
little lame that Jim Harball would take that shot right now,
because Doug, I mean, you know as well as I do.
UM coaches don't answer the questions that they're given. They
answer whatever question they want to answer in their own head. Right.
So if if Jim Harball wanted to take a subtle
shot at urban Meyer and his ethics and his you know,

(01:43:47):
the scandals that have followed him, he had plenty of
chances last year and so um the idea that he
was asked about it, so he entered honest answered honestly,
that's true, he did. But that wasn't an accident. I
think it's it's you know, if if he wanted to
take that shot, you know, he could have and and
I don't think he would have answered that way if
urban Meyer was still the head coach of the Buck guys.

(01:44:09):
But um, you know that's Jim Harbaugh. You know, the
bluster hasn't matched the results. That's um, that's the way
he is at Michigan. And that's fine, you know from
our perspective, you know, bring it on. That's why we
love you know, the off season and talking season because
of stuff like that. Uh. Yeah, I knew it was
a statement of fact, no doubt about it. But I
also think that it was um it was said, uh

(01:44:31):
partially anyway because Urban Mey are no longer coaches right now. Yeah, Um,
can we get a team in the West to be
relevant in the national conversation. Oh yeah, I think Oregon
can be that team this year if they get over
get over the hump against Auburn um because I think

(01:44:51):
they have one of the best offensive lines in the country,
obviously a great quarterback. I like how Mario christal Ball
has built that roster, you know, because he was an
offensive line coach. He understands the importance of winning in
the trenches. And if you can do that in the
fact twelve, you're gonna win a whole lot of football games.
You know, Washington's Washington. We all know what to expect

(01:45:12):
from the Huskies. I'm not sold on Jacob Efan as
the savior, but you know, I am sold on Chris
Peterson being a really, really good head coach. And I
wouldn't write off USC or Utah. I think Utah is
going to be one of those sleeper teams come November
where you're kind of looking around saying, well, you know what,
if one or two dominoes fall, we could be seriously

(01:45:33):
considering them for the playoff. That wouldn't surprise me at all.
And then USC and Clay Helton. I think it was
just a complete shame what happened to Clay Helton last
year and how USC's administration treated him. That he made
two straight New Year's Six Bowl games and ye F
five and seven isn't acceptable at USC. I get it,
but he was starting a true freshman quarterback who reclassified

(01:45:55):
to an earlier recruiting class. He should have been a
senior in high school, you know, So I just give him,
give him some more time. I think J. T. Daniels
can be a really good quarterback. I do think the
roster needs some some tweaking, and they've got a ton
of help from transfers its off seasons that'll help too.
And Clay Helton, I still think is a good coach.

(01:46:16):
So I think of those four teams, you know, one,
if not two, have to at least become relevant. Yeah,
the Pac twelve has been a disaster the last couple
of seasons. It is what it is, But that that
doesn't mean they're you know, it's going to stay that
way forever. You know, in college football, really in college
athletics in general, you have so much turnover, you have
so many changes, and they happen so quickly. You know,

(01:46:38):
every off season that you know, you know, extrapolating one
trend from a season to another. Just it's it's nice
in the off season, but I don't necessarily think it's
responsible in the off season. I know that A and
M Clemson game is a huge one, but I'm not
sure there's a bigger one than Texas LSU on the
seventh right, it's the it's LSU changing offenses, choosing to

(01:47:04):
spread it out and go, you know, the opposite of
what they've what they seemingly have done. And Texas the
the the question that we've asked ourselves, like Tiger Woods,
are they back? Is Texas back? Yeah? I would I
would say that's a fair assessment. I mean, I'm excited
about LSU Texas. I would say that Notre Dame at
George at the end of September might be they might
have an argument there um, but that sort of Devil's

(01:47:26):
Advocate with with LSU in Texas. You know, I love Texas.
The defensive turnover is a little bit of a concern.
I do love ellenor I love that he fattened the
fact that he got Colin Johnson back, and I utmost
trust in Tom Herman and Todd Orlando the defense coordinator
to get the job done. There and LSU I mean, look,
we're done in two for a week and it was

(01:47:46):
the same you could you could have just you know,
flashed back to last year or the year before or
the year before, and and lsus, you know, contingent will
be talking about how they're going to be more dynamic
on offense, and you know, I'm I may not believe
it when I see it mode with LSU. Um, you know,
I do think that at times Orseron and Less Miles
back in the day were way too hands on with

(01:48:06):
the offense um and really didn't accept the way that
modern college football was going to be played. And you know,
but but like like in fairness to in fairness to
Less like look, I'll be I know, Less obviously really
well because he was he was the offensive coordinator Oaklahoma
State and then he was with tight ends coach with
with the Cowboys before he came back. At least he

(01:48:27):
has he's former offensive lineman, former offensive coordinator, former offensive
line coach. At least he has an offensive line background
right at Orseron is a defensive line guy, a recruiter
like he had no and so the idea that he
was gonna go like, hey, give me that playbook two
years ago, which was the most complex in the sport,

(01:48:49):
and I got this like that one was a stunner
to me. And it's it's why their offense was a
disaster two years ago. Yeah, And I would say last
year it wasn't what people made it out to be
either middle of the pack in the SEC. You know,
Joe Borrow's best work came against UCF and and throughout
the season maybe before the snap was made. I mean,

(01:49:11):
and that's great, that's fine, that good quarterback can do that.
And he's certainly a leader, there's no doubt about that.
But you know, LSU, I just I can't buy into him.
They're a lot like Michigan in the sense that, Okay,
you know, the offense needs help, it needs to be
able to win outside the comfort zone. But history has
shown that that does not happen. But that said, there's
still going to be a really good, you know, nine,

(01:49:32):
ten win team at worst, because that's you know, what
talent does for you in college football. So LSU Texas, Yeah,
I mean, because Texas is back, as Sam Ellinger said
after the Sugar Bowl, because of what it can do
to the national narrative. The Texas beat two SEC teams
in three games. Granted there's an off season in between.
That's a big deal. And LSU going on the road

(01:49:54):
with this air quote new offense if it actually exists
to one of them, more hostile and vi amon in
college football, I love it. I can't wait to see it.
It's it will not only define those two the seasons
for those two teams, but I think it'll define a
narrative in college football one way or the other. You know,
specifically how good the SEC actually is. The last thing,

(01:50:16):
there are few hires. I think when Harball was hired,
everybody said that will probably work, right, that'll that'll work.
That makes sense. When Scott Frost was hired, especially coming
off what he built at Central Florida, everybody's like out
of work, no doubt. Right, Like I'm in now Nebraska
playing in the Big Ten. I think that that can
be hard. Right. They were recruiting so well from Texas

(01:50:39):
back when they're in the Big twelve. But obviously Scott
has opened those borders to Florida from having recruited there before.
But it's still gonna be hard to get at the
depth of athletic talent at Nebraska playing in the Big Ten.
But I don't think anyone saw last year coming right.
Last year was whatever could go wrong on the field
seemed to go. But it hasn't wavered like Husker fans

(01:51:01):
think they got the guy, they found, they found the Messiah.
Does it finally does it hit this year in year two?
Not the way people are predicting. I mean, you see
some of these odds and they're you know, have better
odds that are national championship than Notre Dame and Texas
A and him and you know some other teams, and
I just know not like that. I don't buy it,

(01:51:22):
you know, I don't buy nothing Nebraska being you know,
a national championship contender, even if it's a fringe contender.
Could they win the Big Ten West? Yeah, I mean
Northwestern won it last year and it was a big
jumbled mess. And if you win the right games then
then great, Um, then you can do that. But and
I love Adrian Martinez. I think he's a really good quarterback.
But the thing with Nebraska is you went from you know,

(01:51:44):
a coach and Riley who didn't really recruit anywhere near
where he needed to be, to a guy in Scott Frost,
who comes in with pretty much a brand new system.
So from a depth perspective, a lot of the guys
are counting on being backups don't really fit what you do.
And if Nebraska is going to be a championship caliber team,

(01:52:05):
it has to have championship caliber depth. And while those
players might be talented, they don't fit. And so by
the end of the season, it wouldn't surprise me at
all if Nebraska has one of those regressions in November,
even if they are, you know, one of the top
teams in the country, even if they do beat Ohio State,
you know, at the end of September, I just I
don't think they have staying power. And I think that's

(01:52:26):
the one thing standing in the way right now from
the Braska actually being in contender. Yeah, I think it's
everybody like sim and everybody sees that they have Ohio State, Wisconsin,
and Iowa all coming to their building and they think,
all right, you got the same quarterback who's now a
year seasoned in and this will be the year. Well,
we'll see. Year twos have been great to some of

(01:52:47):
the all time great coaches. We'll see how it is
for Scott Frost. Barrett. Can't wait till these guys actually
crackheads against each other. In the meantime, you do awesome work.
Thanks so much for joining us a pleasure. Do think
that's Barrett Sale, who, of course works for CBS Sports
dot com. Let's get you a John Goulay for the News. No, no,
this is the herd Line News Doug. The Yankees hosted

(01:53:10):
the Rays yesterday afternoon. Oh the Yankees go ahead. After
striking out on a questionable call on the second inning,
Brett Gardner started hitting most things in the dugout with
his bat and yelling at the umpire. Aaron Boone said,
oh yeah, hold my beer. And I've been told not
to play the sound because it's not really clean for radio.

(01:53:32):
But the basic gist of it is he went on
an epic tirade, I would say, advising the umpire to
maybe improve on his day a little bit. And he
kept reiterating that his guys were savages, savage, My guys
are savages. That picture's pretty good, and my guys are savages.
It's that tighten it up, but add an effort every

(01:53:53):
other word savages. He was ejected. I would say it
kind of reminded me of Castanza when he wanted to
have people go that guy got fired. I feel like
Aaron Boone wanted to be like about that guy got ejected,
making things a little more awkward. It was the first
game of a doubleheader, so all the people that got
ejected and that umpire all had to be back out

(01:54:15):
on the field like three hours later all together. So awkward.
How would you rank Aaron Boone's flip out? He's nor
as a pretty calm guy, southern California dude, and he
was no Phillip Park High School. Actually, my brother got
no fight with Aaron in a high school basketball game
Almadina Ville Park. There are tribals, and yeah, they both

(01:54:38):
were kicked out for the next game they played against
each other. They were allowed to play. It's an all
timer because we had the microphones, like we always thought
we knew what some people say. And I almost feel
like there should be a Major League Baseball after dark
because if you ever watched the twenty four seven on
the hockey when they played that New Year's they played

(01:54:59):
a hockey out side. Like the officials in hockey, they're
talking about savages, like they give it right back to
the players. They sometimes even encourage the fighting or and
they keep guys away like they're completely in on the sport.
It's just a different, a different way to look at sports,
and baseball suddenly is not nearly as boring anymore when

(01:55:20):
you can hear the chatter instead of reading lips, you
actually hear the audio of a manager and what he's
saying to an umpire. Do I think some of it
was to defend his players? Sure? Do I think some
of it was a show over the top, Sure, But
I just what's funny about those the home plate guys
is they have to stand there and take it. They're
getting kind of spit on by the of of your face,

(01:55:42):
and they have to not laugh like I feel like
if I was in that situation, I would laugh. How
I don't know how they don't break right like they
I mean, they are professional actors on SNL that can't
get through Jimmy Fallon couldn't get through one skit without breaking.
Get that umpire staring at Aaron Boone's scream at him
and does not even crack a smile. It's kind of impressive.

(01:56:04):
It's really impressive. It's really really impressive. So this offseason,
the Broncos went back to their old playbook and instead
of developing a young quarterback, which they are really not
good at, they decided to just bring in a veteran
former Super Bowl MVP. Now, the last time they did it,
that was Peyton Manning in twenty twelve. Unfortunately for the Broncos,
this time it's Joe Flacco in twenty nineteen. Flacco, though,

(01:56:26):
said he's not done yet. He said, quote, Listen, I
think I've got a lot left in the tank. I
feel like I can do a lot more than I've
shown in my eleven year career. I'm excited about that.
I would say most people don't share the enthusiasm or
the optimism for Flacco with the Broncos this year. I
will point out last year he was four and five,
a two to one touchdown interception ratio and a sixty

(01:56:48):
one percent completion percentage. There are a lot worse quarterbacks
in the league than that. If he's a solid quarterback. Again,
is the AFC West just by far the best division
in football? Depends on the Raiders, right, depends on the Raiders.
They play some talent. I mean there, you know, as
in terms of a fourth best team, there are there
are worst ones than them? Right? You can think about

(01:57:11):
this for a second. Um, the NFC. Who's the worst
team in the NFC? South Tampa Bay or Carolina or
but Carolina. I mean I think a lot of that
was in Carolina is a great running back. They have
good defense, but a lot of its injury base. With Carolina,
I still think they're pretty good. Remember this is two
The two best records in the last year were the

(01:57:32):
Chargers and Chiefs. Correct, correct, And I do think the
Raiders are dramatically improved. And I think that I think that.
I mean, look, he's an upgrade over what they had.
We can kill Joe Flacco they want and say, well,
they went to the PLAYFF because Lamar Jackson, Lamar Jackson,
and they did it was because of their defense, because
of the line and him running the football. But also

(01:57:52):
they played was the weak spot of their schedule. And
if we remember the Bengals were the worst defense in
the league history at one point in the season. I
think they improved a little bit late in the year
and Pittsburgh was down and Cleveland was fine. Whatever. Um, yeah,
I mean, look, you have two teams that tie for

(01:58:13):
the best record in the AFC last year. I have
no problem with you saying it's the best at the top.
I think we don't know what Denver is and we
don't know what Oakland's going to look like. But I
do think that Denver can be palatable. They have a
very good young running back. We'll see about their defense
and von Miller. The defense is not nearly as good
as their reputation. Well, and one one last thing, the Broncos.

(01:58:34):
I don't know if you know this, but if you're
a gambler, you've probably picked up on it. They always
win in September at home because no one is shape,
so they come to Denver and they can't breathe. And
they also they always get a couple like one or
two wins they don't deserve because teams just aren't in
shape yet and they get an early win. So keep
that in rect. That's gambling advice. Well that's the news,

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and thanks Third Line News. We did say the best
for last. I think it's really good some news and
anniversary today. That's going to make you feel old. It's
a good way to start your weekend. It's next in
the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the
Herd weekdays and noon Easter, not a Empacific Doug Goliban

(01:59:17):
for Colin. This is in fact the Herd. So you
have moments as you age in life to where you
feel different things right, moments where you feel smart, like man,
I feel you do a crossword like I just completed
a crossword. I got a crossword app on my phone,

(01:59:38):
like right, and you get the crossword done. You're like, wow,
I'm I actually know something, like I know not just
movie quotes, like we all feel like guys, like the
only thing I really know are sports facts and movie quotes.
You're like, wait, wait, I read a book once and
it just happened to appear in this crossword. There are
moments where you feel smart, and there are moments where

(02:00:00):
you feel empowered. There's there's moments I think when you
feel like maybe rich, richer than you actually are, Like yes,
I can buy that. I've always wanted to have a
classic card. I will buy one, not cowherd rich to
the I have a second home. I'm posting about fly
fishing in Utah, you know, or some of these other

(02:00:23):
people who post pictures in front of private planes of whatever.
I don't know. I'm saying where you feel rich. I like,
like rich. Rich can be a lot of different things
to a lot of different people, like not having to
wait till something goes on sale at Banana Republic. That
can feel like you're rich. And there are moments in
which you feel old. And that moment in which you

(02:00:44):
feel old is part of our Best for Last. It's
almost the end of the show. But that doesn't mean
we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very
last segment. It's time for Best for Last. You know,
I think sometimes when guy retires, like or Carmlo Anthony
being out of the NBA, I think that could make

(02:01:05):
you feel old because you remember Carmelo Anthony or like
I did my first year of doing broadcasting, he was
a freshman at Syracuse. My first kind of breakthrough gig
was doing the NBA Draft in two thousand and three
and he was the second pick of that He was
the third tew be the third pick of that draft.
And my first year up at the Other Place was

(02:01:26):
when we would debate Lebron and Carmelo and who should
be the rookie of the year. But fifteen years ago
this week, Entourage Entourage first came on HBO, and I
don't think Entourage has the staying power of the wire

(02:01:49):
breaking bad or maybe Thrones. For some of you, you know,
you think of your favorite show in which you've binge watched.
I'm guessing Entourage is not one of them. I'm currently
binge watching Billion Billions to kind of catch up. So
I don't, I don't think, I will, I will, I

(02:02:09):
prop possibly go Sure, sure, I'll go back and watch Entourage,
and some of it doesn't hold up. A lot of
it was cameos. The opening scene was cool, the opening
car was even cooler with the suicide doors fifteen years ago.
Isn't that a moment which you feel old? Are you

(02:02:30):
want to feel older? Zion Williamson wasn't alive during Y
two K? How about that one? Right? Do you remember? Guys?
Remember the Y two K thing? You know, get the
extra water, have a room in your house you can
go to. It may be the end of time. Some
people went to New York again, like if I'm gonna

(02:02:51):
go out, I'm gonna go out with a party. Some
people went to Vegas. Zion Williamson not wasn't alive to remember,
wasn't alive during y two k and now he's the newest, latest,
and greatest budding star in the NBA. I mean, is
that amazing? I find that Also in these last fifteen years,

(02:03:13):
Friends actually hasn't been on air. Now Friends has seen
kind of a rebirth, and even though it's gonna go
away from Netflix at the end of the year, now
high school kids and college kids are watching Friends and
catching up and understand the storylines, and it's still seen
as kind of a cool show, even though it's retro cool.
But in the last fifteen years, there has not been

(02:03:35):
a new Friends episode. Do lay what else makes you
feel old? Now? Hear? Here's one. I know you're a
Yukon fan. My latest All Ball podcast. You can download
it go to iTunes wherever you download podcast on the
Herd podcast network is good. Khalid el Amine Khalid al
Mean was the point guard for UKAM when they won
the first national championship in nineteen ninety nine, which of

(02:03:57):
course was twenty years ago. And I got ready to
tape it and my producer Ryan Music, so I was like,
I'm so fired up. I'm talking with Khalid el Amane.
He's like, I don't know who that is? And then
I realized he's twenty eight. It's twenty years ago. I
feel old. Give me something that makes you feel that
just makes me angry as a Yukon fan a little bit. Okay,
So if you're at a bar later tonight, someone could

(02:04:20):
be in there legally drinking who was not born yet.
When Jordan hit the shot to beat the Jazz and
the finals, that was twenty one years ago and a
month I was in a sports old I was in
a sports bar in tull So, Oklahoma when that happened.
I remember I was ill, give me one more, one more.

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I'm thinking, like fifteen years ago, entourage started. Think of
the things that make you feel I mean, the one
that always makes me feel old is it's not that
I remember Houston in the National League. I remember the
Milwaukee Brewers in the American League, you know, I yeah,
remember they used to be divisional rivals with the Indians

(02:05:06):
and the White Sox and the Twins. Like wow, when
was that? I remember when they added NBA teams. Remember
when the Charlotte Hornets first came to be and Grandmama
and they had you know, Joe Wolf. But even before
those teams, Joe Wolf and Rex Chapman. Remember the Miami
Heat first came to be. I remember when the Rays

(02:05:26):
were new, the Devil Rays back then. Yeah, they already
want a new stadium. Their stadium has already lived the
entire life they wanted to live. Yeah, that's a that
was a bad That was a bad stadium before they
ever played. I'm not saying it was well constructed. I'm
just saying it makes me feel a little old. I
remember Tony Pisselli, Tony Pisselli being the first pick of
the expansion Draft for the Houston Texans and never playing

(02:05:48):
a game for the Texans. I remember, I remember that.
That's when I Those are the I feel old moments.
Should keep you updated, should keep you updated on what's
taking place in the world. With golf. Rory McElroy. He
may make the cut or he may not make the cut.
It doesn't really matter because what he's doing at a

(02:06:11):
place where he shot a sixty one as a kid
is unbelievable. Unbelievable. On the first seven holes of the
back nine, the first seven holes of the back nine,
he has one bogie and one par and five birdies
and five birdies. Rory McElroy could be in contention or

(02:06:35):
could miss the cut, all based upon what he does
over the last two holes. That's unbelievable. Tigers going home
and Colin will be back Monday. I'm Doug Gottlieb and
this is the herd.

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