Zion Williamson, Kawhi Leonard, rivalries, and the Lakers

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is the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening iHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio. We're on FS one,
going forward. Here we are our hiatus, our sabbatical is
over Joy. Taylor is joining me today. Joy, how are you?
And great? Good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning,
Doug Gottlieb this hour. So I talked about this briefly yesterday,

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that it's not hard to spot the next great superstar
in America, and we get one about every four or
five years. A Serena, a Tiger, a Bryce Harper. They
don't happen very often, but about every four or five years.
If you collectively combine all the sports, we get a superstar,
and they're fun and they're not difficult to find and spot.

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The media mostly gets that right. The next is Zion
Williamson now he played at Duke. He's unbelievable. Number one
pick in the draft. It is remarkable, though, as I
watched the media and listen to players, even people I like,
a lot of pushback. He's overrated, He's not that big
of a deal. People don't. Okay, time out, listen to this.

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He's already the most popular NBA draftee of all time.
This is with the Pelicans, not with the Lakers, not
with the Celtics, not in a major market, in a
football city where the football owner owns the NBA team.
I mean, they had NFL people running the organization. It
was two months ago. It was it was a hazmat

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spill for the NBA. According to fanatics, Zion shattered the
record by selling more Pelicans jerseys and shirts than any
drafty in history. But here's the stunner. In the five
days after the draft, people purchased more Zion shirts and
jerseys then they did for the entire first round class.

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Excuse me, you gotta be kidding me, folks. Yesterday, Enis
Cantor Ennis Canner, one of my guys, very good NBA player,
was the latest to doubt Zion Williamson on our chair,
on our couch. Here's what Ennis Canter said. I kind
of feel like he's old hyped. I feel like his

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Julius Sendel with hops. Some players aren't even like scared
to say it about you know me. You know, I'm
not scared to say anything. You know spoken, Okay, So
I want to talk about Julius Randall with hops. So
eighteen year old Julius Randall average fifteen a game at Kentucky,
averaged one assist a game and shot sixteen percent from

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three point land. Eighteen year old Zion at Duke average
twenty three, shot sixty eight percent from the field, thirty
four percent in threes, twice as many assists, and he's
a better ball handler. Now, it's not the first Julius
Randall comp I've heard. Both are lefties, and both looked

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like men at sixteen years old. But talent announces itself.
You don't have to search for it. You kind of
had to search for Julius Randall at seventeen years old.
At sixteen seventeen, Zion was an Internet sensation. At eighteen,
he was an American sensation. And I want you to
think about this. There are late bloomers all over life.

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There are Hall of famers who are late bloomers in
all sports, but it is almost unheard of. You got
a search to find a late bloomer that becomes a legend.
O Case, Serena, Eddie Murphy and comedy legends. I'm not
just talking funny, I'm talking legends. Almost oh as you

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can spot it early magic Tiger, Serena Lebron, Bryce Harper
on the cover of SI at sixteen, Kurt Warner was excellent.
He's not a legend. Now people will say Colin Michael
Jordan cut from his high school team overplayed. He was
a McDonald's High School All American and offered a scholarship
to at the time the number one program in America UNC.

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By seventeen, he was great. Colin. What about Tom Brady?
He was offered a scholarship and played quarterback at Michigan
at the time of top five program in America. And oh,
by the way, by the year two of the NFL
he won a Super Bowl. That ain't late blooming. What
about Steph Curry at twenty three years old? He's a
real late bloomer. At twenty three, the Warriors traded an

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All Star guard for staff next Jerry average twenty four
a game. If those are your late bloomers, then they
don't exist. Jerry West made a trade with Charlotte to
get Kobe Bryant. Kobe was eighteen nineteen. Jerry West told
Shack before Kobe played a game, you two will win
multiple titles together. He is an all time talent. Gordie
how in hockey was a twenty three time All Star.

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He was invited to training camp with the New York
Rangers at fifteen fifteen fifteen. Derek Jeters high school scouting
report according to Dick Grouch April of ninety two, a Yankee,
a five tool player, he will be a major league star,

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A plus five okay zions and easy one folks. Talent
announces itself. Julius Randall at fifteen was an anonymous high
school sophomore. Zion at sixteen was an Internet sensation looks Pizzazz, style,

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strength power Now this morning, Zion Williamson is not as
good as Julius Randall because Julius Randall's twenty four and
it has taken him to twenty four years of age
to be a twenty point a game guy. This morning
Julius Randall is better. In one year, they'll probably be even.

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From that point forward, Zion will be a significantly better
basketball player than Julius Randall. Don't outthink the room on
Zion Williamson. This is what Tiger Williams was, Tiger Woods
was at seventeen eighteen. There were some doubters. I heard

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him swings too hard. This is what it looks like.
Folks crazy and I love Annis Cannerby. Zion just sold
more jerseys and shirts than every other first rounder in
the draft, first round combined. All right, let me shift
to this, Oh, Canada, fifty fifty. If they're gonna keep

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Kawhi Leonard. If they don't, they'll rebuild. It's the height
of the franchise. It'll never be the same. That's what
I'm being told. Fifty fifty Clippers Raptors. I have no
idea now. Lou Williams, smart veteran guy in the NBA,
once played in Toronto. He was sixth Man of the
Year there and he was on a podcast and he
was talking about why Canada is simply different and tougher

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for NBA players. Once you're there, you'll love playing for
the Raptors. You love playing for the country because the
whole country. It's the whole country. Like that fourth fifth
month into the season, you'd like, man, I want to
go home. When you play in Toronto, you feel like
you're playing overseas. Oh it does. It feels like it

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bro Like we can't wait to go on a road
sometimes just to be in America, you know what I mean.
That's got you don't think of, like the channels on
your TV, your phone bill. You gotta get. You gotta
get a Canadian bank account like that that people don't
think about like that. It is hard. And then you
have kids. You're raising your kids out of in Canada,

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you know what I'm saying. So it's it's once you're there,
you're like, oh, this is dope. But the hard part
is keeping guys, dude. It's very interesting. In my life
as a sportscaster, you would think that all the big
markets and all the rich people win, that's the way
it should work, right, better resources, better geography, better weather.
But in my life as a sportscaster, if you are

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excellent at everything, you win regardless of where you're at.
That's why I think Kawhi stays and the raptors who
do everything well. They're training staff, they're GM they're scouting staff.
They found Pascal Sayakam. They do everything well. They coach well,
they GM well, they scout well. The training staff they
mark it well. Folks in theory, TCU football should not

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win eleven games a year. TCU Texas Christian, small private school.
They're surrounded by the University of Texas, Texas A and
M Baylor, Oklahoma's a three hour drive away. They win
ten to eleven games a year. There is no reason
Nebraska football dominated a decade. Why there's no players there.
They're in the middle of nowhere. There's not a major airport.

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There's no reason Yukon became a basketball dynasty. The men
won four titles in fifteen years. They were the toughest
team Duke had to face in the tournament. The women
became a dynasty. Have you been to Storist, Connecticut? I
lived in Connecticut and I never went. It's a pasture.
There was no reason it would become the best basketball
school in the country for a decade and a half.

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You know, I did two legendary willful coaches. There's no
reason Gonzaga is a top five six program in the country.
It's closer to Idaho than Seattle. There's no player years there.
The St. Louis Cardinals are in the middle of the country.
It is by most accounts, a fairly boring city. Would

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not be attractive to players. It's a medium to small
market and sort of a dying American city. It's a
furnace in the summer. You might as well play inside
of a microwave. And yet they have eleven World Series
titles and probably the best baseball fans in America. Players
love playing in Saint Louis. Nebraska football, TCU football, Gonzaga basketball,

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Yukon basketball. There is no say this out loud. The
most Tony nominated musical of all time is a rapping
musical about Alexander Hamilton that makes no sense on paper,
but excellence cuts through. Yes, a rapping musical about Alexander

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Hamilton is the most nominated musical in American Broadway history. Folks,
excellence wins regardless. If you're in Boisee, Beiji, Syracuse, Singapore,
it doesn't matter. Kawhi Leonard, great GM, great training staff,

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great owner, great fans, great marketing, free penthouse, free private jet,
free food, be very very careful about leaving a place
that does virtually everything well, because about nine of these programs,
these franchises in America have major holes and don't do

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things well. By the way Lou Williams, I think, I
get it. It's cold, the taxes are bad, and it
is different living in another country. I am not denying
any of that. I'm not. I mean, David Beckham comes over,
lives in the States. He's from England. You know, you
talk to them. America's kind of feels different than Europe.

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It's fine, but it Owas still feels like London's home.
I get it. It's different. But man, in all my
years of sportscasting, the teams that dominate sports and the
people all overcome obstacles, but excellence always cuts through. Coming
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Good to have you in on a Thursday now. Of course,
by Monday, this weekend, there's gonna be a lot going
on in sports. Tomorrow on Fox Sports at FS one
or is at Fox Sports. It's a Fox it's the
United States women's national team takes on France in Paris.
Fox also has this weekend the Yankees facing the Red

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Sox in London. I saw the plane the Red Sox
traveled on there. It's a hotel with wings. It's incredible.
So a lot going on this weekend, and then of
course this weekend you're gonna hear a lot of stuff
on the internet. Sunday, NBA players are allowed to pick
their teams, so we're kind of in a two day
holding pattern, a one day holding pattern for the weekend
to explode with sports. But there we'll have Doug gottliebaan

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to talk about it, because there's a lot of stuff
kind of breaking in the NBA, but not the big
stuff yet. Here's a story that came out yesterday that
warmed my heart. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. We're on
Tom Brady. They took a picture of them. If you
look at the trees. It looks like northern California. I'm
guessing here, but it looks like northern California that style

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of tree. Yeah, it looks like pebble beach. And they're
both in suits, and Tom says spoiler alert. We were
friends this whole time. Always great to see a Peyton.
And I was driving in this morning listening to talk
show hosts who didn't love this, and they were like,
it kind of spoils it, and I would rather they
be arch rivals, folk sports athletes. All these guys used

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to be rivals about fifteen years ago. They were in
the thirties to forties, to fifties, to sixties and seventies,
the eighties, the nineties, two thousand and about two thousand,
something changed. Everybody got rich, and now they're all friends.
In Michael Jordan's era, stars were fighting for their slice
of the financial pie. I'll give you an example. Nike

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and Converse were about the only shoe companies paying NBA players. Now,
let me read the list. Nike has shoe deals with NBA, Adidas,
under Armor, Puma, Peak, New Balance, Reebok, the Jordan brand,
and Anta, which is a Chinese brand for Clay Thompson,
that's nine my bad Big Baller Brand ten used to

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be a game of the week. It's now an NBA TV,
Regional networks ESPN, TNT. Everybody's getting love, everybody's getting marketing,
everybody's getting shoe deals. There's so much money to go around.
You're not fighting, you're not losing a game and then
losing market share. And also something else has happened. Sports

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has never been bigger on TV because of the Hulus
and the Amazons and the Netflix. The only thing that
works on linear TV now is politics and sports. That's
why it's a good time to be a sportscaster and
a good time to be an athlete because these networks
now they have to spend on leagues. It used to
be wrestling wasn't considered legitimate to go on a sports network.

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Now they're fighting over it. A year ago, two years
ago we created the Big Three out of thin air
ice Cube did now networks fight over it? The XFL
Spring Football Networks, the two top ones ESPN, Fox have
a joint venture. So these athletes, now this is the future.
They're all friends. They have about six different agents. They're

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all making money on shoes, Now we've always known Magic
and Bird were close. A Federer and Nadal are incredibly respectful.
But I think a lot of it started to be
honest with you, it feels like to me, a lot
of it started with Lebron and Kevin Durant about nine
ten years ago, when it was like these guys trained together.

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Everybody is so wealthy. Now you know what it really is.
It's a swapping jersey culture. Soccer was way ahead of everybody.
You play the game, you swap jerseys. That's what you
do now. Yeah, there is no fighting. As the two
teams converge to go into the locker room after the game,
it's over. This is not if it's it's not the

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zero sum game. If I win, you don't necessarily lose anymore.
I win and you win. They're all winning. All pro
athletes are winning today. Joy with the news. No, no,
this is the herd line news trying to tell you
before beef is dead. What's that I try to tell

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you before beef is dead? Beef beef is dead. It's
it's not a real thing anymore. Yeah, it's fun to discuss, yes,
but it's all hypothetical because at the end of the day.
I mean, I think the only thing where it exists
is probably like boxing that feels like it's actually don't
even think they're because there's so much respect in boxing,
because it is such a violent sport that even when

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it is all over, Like I mean, you got the
feeling that like Mayweather and McGregor really hated each other,
and at the end of it, I don't feel like
they hate each other, like they got all of us,
like they were totally in on it. They got in
a room like I'll say this, and you'll say this,
and people go crazy. At the end, we're gonna make
a bunch of money. That'll be it. I mean, you're right.
If you look at most boxing matches when it's over
and they both have black eyes, they huge because it's

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like the highest level of respect because it's so barbaric. Yeah,
beef is dead. So we talked about this yesterday. The
Celtics are reportedly the front runner to land Kenva Walker
when he becomes an unrestricted free agents Sunday at six
pm Eastern, after sham Sharania noted that Walker and the
Hornets have reached a stalemates and their extension talks, Woad
reported that Boston can continue to clear up some cap

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space create a number that gets up to Kemba Walker's max.
But right now Boston and Kemba Walker are focused on
each other, and there's a very strong possibility that Kemba
will replace Kyrie Irving as the point guard as a
centerpiece in Boston. Now, Terry Rozier would probably have to go.
But I gotta be honest with you. If you look
at Brad Stevens history College and Pro every point guard,

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including by the way, Kyrie's numbers go up. If I'm
Kemba Walker, I've always thought about this. If I was
a quarterback in high school, I would go play for
Oklahoma because Lincoln Riley takes every quarterback and they explode
like when you're there. Like if I was a linebacker,
I'd go play for Nick Saban because they always end
up in the NFL. If I am a point guard,

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and I don't have to be the world's best point guard,
but I want my numbers to go up. Mike D'Antoni
and Brad Stevens, your numbers go up. They they're good
for guards. If that's what you're mostly concerned about, the
issue is Kembo would forfeit eighty one million dollars. Yeah,
don't love that to join this out there, don't love that.
That's a whole lot more than forty or thirty. That

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is a lot none. Now, that's assuming that Charlotte is
willing to offer the five year two hundred and twenty
one million dollars mat. Now, now that's the thing, Joy,
they're not so like from what I'm reading, they're not.
They're much more comfortable in the one sixty one seventy.
So the eighty million is closure to twenty five. Right. Well,
if they're closer to the one sixty one seventy, then
that's good news for Boston because Boston can offer a

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four year, one hundred and forty million dollars max. Although
he might be he might be willing to take less money.
Because we talked about yesterday, Keimba kind of disappears in
Charlotte like it's he kind of should be. I have
a way bigger profile and he would in Boston. I
saw more of him in college because when he was
at Yukon, I mean seriously, the Big East Tournament, the

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NC Double A Tournament, Kimba had a bigger profile as
a collegian. It feels like to me that he does
as a pro, and I do believe he would have
a better chance of winning in despite them having to
move so many pieces around. I think it's a better situation.
So the Rockets have been in pursuit of Timmy Butler
for almost a year now. We all kind of forgot.
Early last season they offered the Timberwolves four first round

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draft picks for Butler. Remember that, I completely forgot about that.
So they've been after him for a while, and this
week it was reported that they're interested in a sign
and trade with Philly, so the rumor mill will heat
up even more when Wode reported that the Rockets are
now offering Eric Gordon, Clint Cappella, and PJ. Tucker to
clear up cap space. They really want him. He's also

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from Houston. No, but I don't I don't like it.
I do think that the locker room situation makes it
interesting because that's that's a bunch of personalities, a bunch
of strong personalities in one room. But you need stars
to win in this league, and the Rockets have not
been able to get it done. They're right there every
single year and they can't get over the humps, so
they have to make some sort of move. And if

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you're going to make a move, you might as well
get somebody who can also play defense, because they're losing
all their defense if they do move. Clint Cappella, BJ
Tuck and Eric Gordon Yeah, especially PJ. Tucker. Yeah, I
gotta be honest with you. I like Gordon and I
like Tucker. I like him as players. By the way,
those are the kind of guys that Toronto has won
the title. It's a bunch of those smart, veteran guys
that can play big in the you know, they have playoff,

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huge X factor pieces. I love those guys, but they
haven't been able to make the move. So I think
they have to be aggressive, especially this year. In especially
considering that Chris Paul and James Harden are It seems
like this this train can only go so much further.
You gotta be aggressive this year, especially with the Warriors
kind of being out of commission. And finally, it didn't
take long for Zion Williamson to break his first NBA record.

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He sold more jerseys and T shirts than any other
rookie in history in the first five days after the
NBA Draft. Now not to be Debbie down everybody. Do
you think we should keep us in perspective? But as
far as the history stuff goes, we do have a
lot of you know, online purchasing available now you don't
have to physically go into the store and buy it.
I don't know how far back would these numbers go,

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but I'm sure that probably also plays a role. He
did set a sell more than all of the first
round picks in the twenty eighteen NBA draft combined. That's
according to fanatics. That's some unbelievable. And RJ. Barrett became
the second highest selling rookie, by the way, in history.
Makes sense because it's with the next Pelicans have probably
the smallest fan base in the league. That's what's amazing

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about this. Can you imagine if he was a nick?
I mean, the NBA is a global league, no no, no,
no question. That brand is so huge now and and
if global that this, this doesn't surprise me. Zion is
already a household. By the way, let's just put Zion
on the back of the Jersey Williamson, really the Jersey Zion.

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It would be fun Zion and RJ more than double
the previous rookie sales record set by Lonzo ball Really yeah,
Lonzo doesn't surprise me at all. It was big Baller brand.
I mean, once you get that momentum behind a joy
with the news, well that's the news. And thanks for
stopping by Doug Doug Gottlieb Sports Radio after my show

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on Fox Sports Radio. Let's bring him on, Doug Gottlieb.
Good to have you in sook. Okay, so yesterday I
get a bigger round of applause. I don't know now
you get you get's very I can hear it. My
air very popular. So yesterday Nscanner was the latest guy
to come on the show. I like, I don't want
to be hype man, but I watched Zion the game,
the look, Duke, the brand, relatable, crying mom velocity. I'm like,

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oh lord, that's Bryce Harper, it sixteen. It's just you.
I don't have to look for it. It's coming to me.
It's breaking through my TV. Now. A lot of people
are giving me this Julius Randall thing because they were
both lefties and they're both musket Yes, I don't really
see it. Well, they are both left handed, they're both
African American one played for the Policans last year. I
want to play for the Pelicins this year. And you

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know they're both very talented lottery picks, but no, I
there there's some Juliush Random in them. But there's also
some Draymond Green. There's also some Blake Griffin, and there's
a there's a magnetism to him. I love. By the way,
can we give a little bit of credit to Julius Randall.
This might be tweet of the year right where he's
clearly watching your show and says, hey, last Ennis, last

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time you guarded me, I gave you forty five. So
it's not exactly a burn to say, oh, he minds me.
A Julius fan was like, yeah, I just gave you
forty five last time. And Julius is a nice efficient player.
He's look, he's his stats were up. He opted out.
I don't think he's as good as the stats those
who are kind of a little bit of empty stats
because he was on a bad team. The Pelicans added

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him and got worse. On the other hand, like, look,
he can score. The other part that I think Ennis
may not be wrapping his head around because he actually
the reason Ennis has been on the market so much
as talented he is an offense, he's been a sieve
on defense, and that's where Zion is a twenty nineteen
and beyond superstar. He can guard positions one through five.

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He's strong enough and has a great base to where
even against seven footers he should be able to body
them up and make them play over his length. And
he's athletic enough to contain point guards on switches like.
He's the perfect small ball center in an era in
which everyone's looking for the next version of a Draymond Green.
So yes, I think he's under selling him. I do

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think that NBA players Mike, like in any industry, our, industry, baseball, whatever,
when the newest, latest, greatest comes out, they're like, yeah, great,
that's against college kids, show me against grown men. But
I do think he'll show them. I think he has
the chance to be a breakthrough superstar. And I love
what they're building in New Orleans. Yeah, gosh, I mean,
Lonzo Ball and Drew Holliday in the backcourt are as

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good defensively as anybody you're going to find. And then
you have Brandon Ingram with great length, and you have him,
and then I love the Jackson Hayes, who eventually, you know,
three years down the road, has a chance to be
a dynamic big guy. I really like what they're doing
in New Orleans, building from defense, and they have Drew
Holliday is a great passing too. He's not a point
and then you have a good passer as your small

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ball five and starting power Ford and Zion. They value
passing the value defense athleticism. I think he's in a
great position to succeed. We were talking about the Brady
Tom Brady Peyton Manning picture, and it's funny I was
talking about this. Rivalries are kind of dead, Like Yankees
Red Sox is big. I'm not denying that. Not what

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he used to be. No, and they just play so
many times in baseball. No, I mean that it used
to be the hammer in the nail. One team had
won eighty six years. Now they've won a bunch of
World Series. It's kind of different. But I don't do
Carolina's obviously something. I watch it when they play every
year two or three times, but I don't feel like
there's a ton of NFL rivalries. I don't feel like
there's a ton of NBA rivalries. And I think part

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of it is players aren't fighting for their slice of
pie anymore. Fifteen years ago, kickers started making two million
a year in the NFL. Everybody's wealthy. Yeah. A little
bit of this though, is it's like presidents once they're
out of office, like Bush and Clinton, I'll get along right,
right right, And I mean Michelle Obama's like best friends

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with George Bush. Like once you once you're you're you're
beyond that and you realize how wealthy you are and
how successful you are, Like Peyton's not playing anymore, so
there's not the competitiveness. There are still rivalries and sports.
Russell will Aaron Rodgers hates Russell Wilson. Like those two
really like? Is that a good one? They do not
like each other. So Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. Aaron
Rodgers does not like or respect Russell Wilson. Why not? Um?

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I think he thinks he's kind of a fake god guy.
I just think he thinks he's a phony. He's not
being who he really is, whereas Aaron Rodgers like him
or justlike him, he's his authentic self. This is who
I am. I mean, he worked, he's worked for his
new coach for like a month and he's like, you know,
this offense really doesn't work for me, right, Like that's
whe Aaron Rodgers is okay, and he just doesn't. I
just don't think he enjoys phonies. And I think he
thinks Russell Wilson's a phone. But does Russell not like Aaron?

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Don't know, because you're never gonna get a real straight answer, okay, right,
like you're going to give you the like, you know,
I respect him, I you know, I admire him. He's amazing,
he's you know, so that's a rivalry, that's a beef. Yeah, yeah.
I don't think Steph Curry and Lebron James particularly like
each other. I just don't. Um. I think there's a
lack of respect from Lebron's people because he's always thought like, look,

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Lebron impacts the game at both ends so much more
than Steph and Steph's Steff, you know, is able to
get away with kind of hiding defensively. And I think
Steph Curry's like, all right, dude, we've won three titles here,
we beat you. Um, you know, why aren't we getting
our due? I do think there are there's that's a
that's a legit rivalry. I mean Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant, right,

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that seems to be a legit rivalry. I still think it.
I still think in existence Max Munsey and Madison Bumgardner. Right,
you don't like me, if you don't like how I
catillac around the base bass, go go get that ball
out of the out of the out of the rivalries,
I do I think this is do. I think that
that some of it is make nice nice and we're
all rich and at the end of the day, I'll

(28:52):
understand that that this is the one percenters club. Sure,
but we had this magic and Isaiah used to kiss
each other before they played in the NBA finals. They
were they were best friends, and of course you know
post career they actually had had to split up another
back together as best friends. So I think this is
more part for the course for post careers, much like
post presidents, they all become friendly again. Okay, Doug Gottlieb

(29:16):
stick around a lot of stuff. We'll talk some NBA stuff. Obviously,
the free agency Saturday Sunday. Sunday is the day Saturday,
and tomorrow they'll start leaking that's coming up with the Dugger.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
in non Easter nine am Pacific. Welcome back, Doug Gottlieb.
So the whole KD thing you were asking me during
the break and we were talking about where guys are going,

(29:37):
and the one guy that I guessed yesterday I put
jerseys and all the players. The one guy put a
question mark is Kevin Durant, because I think Kevin's ruley struggling,
and I think Kevin is emotionally Lee Jenkins told me
this when he used to work at SI Now with
the Clippers. He said he didn't want it, he didn't
want to give it away, but he said he's a wanderer.
When you sit down an interview him for a couple
of days, you follow him for a week. Marcus Thompson

(29:59):
said this, You can vince Kevin Durant day to day
to change his mind. He's just emotionally a wanderer. I
honestly believe he doesn't have his mind made up. I
think this is very much a Lebron leaving Cleveland going
to Miami, where I remember talking to people close to
Lebron and in seventy two hours out they didn't know,
like his boys did not know. I think Kevin Durant

(30:19):
right now, he's looking at the James Dolan, he's looking
at Kyrie's kind of flaky. I mean, I really Plus,
it's the Nets, right, Like do you really go to
to live in Brooklyn? And Brooklyn is amazing? Yeah, right,
Like to anybody who doesn't understand, Brooklyn has undergone this renaissance.
It's an amazing place to live. That's an amazing arena.
You know, they have an incredible culture within that franchise

(30:41):
and they were absolute rubble before this current group took over, right, right, So,
like all of that said, it's still the Nets, Like
they don't move the meter at all in New York,
whereas the Knicks do anything, and they do. On the
other hand, you're gonna be the first one to play
for the Knicks and they're gonna be bad for another
year and Kyrie's and then you got to work for
James Dolan, which I think a lot of these guys

(31:04):
that are especially guys like Kevin Durant that are so
so so active on social media that they kind of
are overreact to the idea that Dolan is involved. Dolan
has nothing to do with day to day basketball. But
every once a year he does something you're like, oh, yeah,
James Dolan, the a hole that still owns the New
York Knicks. Right away, Phil Jackson's a legend, bombed in
New York, Larry Brown's second worst year in New York.

(31:24):
Pat Riley won everywhere but the Knicks. Isaiah Thomas has
succeeded everywhere bad. Next day, Yes, they leave us staining
Mike dan Tony by the way, one in Italy, one
in Phoenix, one in Houston. Yes, I'm mass in New York. Yes,
pat Riley, pat Riley has got you know, and pat
Riley and Jeff Van Gundy. I know they went to
one NBA finals, but it's yes. And then there's been players,
right Mary Stodemeyer and Penny Hardaway and Jason Kidd, like

(31:47):
you go through him, like they've had dudes. They just
having a will to figure it out. Look, he's trying
to figure out who he is. That that's it. That's this,
that's the thing. And I do think that's relatable. He
doesn't necessarily know who he is, right, grew up without
a dad. Dad's kind of back into his life, but
he has an agent who's a business manager. There's that
weird relationship with with Rich Kleiman, who you know, like

(32:09):
is a New Yorker and I'm sure selling him on
New York and all the virtues of New York. I
do think there's this one interesting part which we may
be missing on. There's this kind of old school, widely
held belief and there's some reality to it, which is, hey,
you do it in New York and you're big everywhere,
right right, Like Jeremy Lynn is not Jeremy Lynn. If
he didn't do it's true, that's true. It is true.
On the other hand, like you do realize that there's

(32:31):
been a movement in real money is in northern California.
The most expensive city to live in in the country
is San Francisco. Why because all that tech money. Right
Like in our industry, we're just waiting when is Apple
or Google going to decide, Hey, I'm gonna buy that. No, Listen.
Jason Whitlock was on us two years ago. He said, really,
the new power base it's not New York. The media

(32:55):
is largely I mean, look at the algorithms, Look at
what our government is concerned about in terms of voting.
They're concerned about Silicon Valley and information. It's become the
new New York San Francisco and he's leaving that. Yes,
and you also like, you don't actually need to go
to New York to be big in the NBA, right,
big globally like Russell Westbrook is in Oklahoma City. Yeah,

(33:15):
and he's huge, He's massive. Kawhi Leonard hasn't doesn't say
a word right, no one can other than ha ha ha.
And he can quote anything he said. But he's getting
big why because he won? So I just like, look,
at the end of the day, if you're not happy
in Golden State and you're pissed off because you think
they misevaluated your cap strain, probably had a partially torn

(33:37):
Achilles tenant and they didn't find it. If you're mad,
like okay, I understand. Yeah, But if the idea is
I need relevance at the end of the day, if
you come back, have you come back in a year
and Clay comes back in a year and you go
out and win another couple of titles, who cares what
they say on social media, what they say on all
of our shows. You got five six rings, you put

(34:00):
yourself in a league company. And I think now everybody
has realized just how important he is to the team
and to the league. It'd be great. The NBA needs
him in the East. You know, they need a big name,
they need a big story, They need the East to
be relevant. It's good for our show. It's good for
our show. But the idea that he needs it, I
would I would disagree with. So let's talk about a
couple of things in terms. I'll throw this out to him.

(34:22):
So this is so funny to me. So Golden State
during their dynasty, we're spaying k D, Steph Clay, Draymond, Iggy,
even Sean Livingston made eight million. They had enough money
to add booge Cousins back to back Miami Heat dynasty.
Lebron made nineteen, d Wade eighteen, Chris Bosh nineteen. They
paid Ray Allen Battier, Judonis Haslem, Mike Miller made five

(34:45):
point eight million, Joel Anthony made four. Eight guys made money. Okay,
With the Lakers, they have only five guys on the
roster and only twenty three million left. And I'm told
they can't afford another Max. And if they do sign
Angelo Russell, for under the max, they'll be out of money.
That tells me, despite what the Lakers and their PR

(35:07):
people are shoving, they messed up the cap thing. Or
I don't think there's any doubt, but like, let's be
honest about the Golden State thing. Okay, Yeah, Like what
helped them was Draymond was drafting the second round, so
there was a limit to what they could pay him.
Steph Curry's second deal, second contract was it four years,
forty four million dollars. Because he had so many ankle problems,

(35:30):
he didn't get the huge deal, and so that allowed
them to go and make some of these other deals.
And then once you have a player, now you can
pay him whatever and go into luxury tax if you want,
whereas that's not the way it worked out in La.
So and there's still a chance here for a sign
and trade, even with Kemba, because like, look, it's been
widely reported today that even if Kemba leaves Charlotte and

(35:51):
goes to Boston, which is his rumored preferred destination, Charlotte
still has to act like they're over the cap. Whereas
if they sign and trade him now they can have
assets back in return, they can kind of. So, but
if the Lakers signed a Canba or DeAngelo, they would
virtually have no money for a fifth starter. Want to No,
you have a mid level exception. There's other ways in

(36:12):
which you can manipulate the cap. And look, do I
think it's a bad look for how it looks like
the cap? Yeah? But also remember that on some level,
Rich Paul screwed this up. He screwed it up by
by by being so verbose about how much Anthony Davis
wanted to be there and by pushing it and the

(36:33):
pressure that that Rob Polinka was under. They had to
make that deal. And you can't this idea that that
New Orleans was going to trade with you July thirtieth,
that's not there's no reality to it. You got to
make the trade before the NBA Draft. That's how it
has to work. Because they want Lonzo Ball working out
with them all summer, they want Brandon Ingram working out
with them. They want their their number four draft pick

(36:55):
or what they traded the number four draft pick working
out for them, and so does any other person. So
I understand it looks bad now, but look, they're gonna
roll out there with Darren Collison at the point, maybe
JJ Reddick at the two. You think those guys I
think they got I think they got a great shot.
Gonna they're gonna count j R. Smith is gonna get
bought out, Kyle Korver's probably gonna get bought out. This

(37:17):
is how they're gonna fill out their roster. I don't
know if it works. You know, JaVale McGee will be
their backup center to start, Anthony Davison the starting center. Um,
but I like, let's not let's not kill the Lakers
until we see what their roster looks like at the
end of the day. They're fired up. They got Anthony
Davis and get Lebron James Okay Houston, who's you know
they're It's like they're like mirthat Toomay. Right. They think

(37:39):
their their clock is taken over here right there. They're
looking at blowing it up again and bringing in Jimmy
Butler because that's gonna work because everywhere he goes they
seem to love Jimmy Butler. Right, Chris Paul's overpaid, James
Harden doesn't play defense, and Mike D'Antoni is on a
one year deal with a whole new staff. Right, the
Warriors are done at least for a year, maybe to

(38:00):
re establish themselves. Nobody really believes that you talk to
win a championship. Denver's a nice story. You know, Portland,
we've seen their ceiling. They're two great players and a
nice franchise. They're not beating the Lakers. Two great players
and of the day. They got Anthony Davis, you got
Lebron James, they get some shooters. I'll figure it out.
And and oh yeah, by the way, you know they
think that Kyle Kuzma has a chance to be a
star playing alongside those two. I don't think it's a

(38:22):
terrible plan, especially considering what they inherited, right, Lou, all
dang was a terrible contract. They're still paying it. They
had to get rid of everybody else, and they have
two of the five best players in the league. Okay,
Kawhi Leonard Lou Williams said, it's still Canada. Your kids
are in schools in Canada. You know you're on a

(38:42):
Canadian bank account. You turn on the TV, it's Canadian news,
you think, I mean, what's your takeaway? In his opinion,
I mean, I'm Lou Williams is only working for eight
million dollars and his if you if you listen to
the podcast he talked about it, He's like, look, I
was happy. I love playing for Doc. Can fight over
more money, sure, but he took a very minimal kind

(39:03):
of extension and he didn't fight it. So I mean again,
I know I'm biased. I'm from southern California. Yeah, kawhis
something from southern California, but he's from the Inland Empire
where it's like one hundred and forty degrees in the summer. Yea.
And if you're from the Ie and somebody goes like, hey,
what if you can make thirty million dollars, live at
the beach and play for the Lakers, never have a
winter coat or play for the Clippers. Never have a

(39:24):
winter coat, or you can play where they have their
their dish, their country's dishes, poutine. Um, I'm gonna take
la and tacos every day. No, I get it, No,
I do get it. I think there's a there's a
certain New Yorkers. You can't ever get New York out
of the body. That's who you are. You grow up
in Los Angeles, man, it's cold everywhere. There's a there's
no question Doug Gottlieb, Hour two, Rob Parker, Chris Haynes,

(39:47):
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(40:34):
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(41:17):
It's kind of the two or three days before the storm, yes,
before the free agency. In the NBA. Let me just
start with one that I think works. Sham Sharonya who
we've had on the show, says Kemba Walker and Charlotte
aren't close, Charlotte doesn't want to pay him, and the
Boston Celtics, according to Woes, have emerged as a leader.
This one works for me. Listen, not all NBA stars

(41:42):
are great teammates. A lot of them are just great talents.
Steph Marbury is not Steph Curry. Okay, Like a lot
of times guys are just talented, and the problem with
a point guard. A good wing, a good center, a
good forward almost makes everybody better. But a good point
guard's different because they have the ball. And we have
a different culture in America. It used to be a

(42:03):
great seventeen year old basketball player in America. This is
the way it was for most of my life. He
had a high school coach bark at him, and then
he went to college and stayed for four years and
had a college coach bark at him. And then he
came into the NBA and it didn't make any money
until about year seven. Our culture has changed. Now at
sixteen years old, he has AAU coaches begging him to

(42:26):
play for him. He has recruited at fifteen, sixteen, seventeen.
Then he goes to college where they're begging him to
play for one year. Just come to Kentucky for one year.
We love you, We'll do anything. And he goes to
the NBA and he's rich. He's rich at nineteen years old.
There's nothing wrong with this. Same things happen in Silicon Valley.
We got twenty year old billionaires. I got no problem
with it. But it has changed the dynamic of the

(42:48):
coach player relationship for not all, but some players are
a little more entitled. They're a little more gassed up now.
Zion handles it well. I think most players handle it well.
But Khi Leonard greg Popovich never had a problem with
any star he didn't work with, Kauhai, Brad Carlyle, Rick
Carlisle gets along with everybody. You didn't get along with

(43:09):
the Toronto David blattin Spoelstra struggle with Lebron, Scott Brooks
struggle with Westbrook, Brad Stevens struggled with Kyrie. Ninety percent
of athletes. It doesn't change things. They love basketball. They
like to be coached. Most players, I think in all
sports like to be coached. But we have a different
culture today. The culture in America for basketball is very
much about loving the player, worshiping the player. Given the player,

(43:34):
find the talent, get him paid. Doesn't work that way
in baseball, hockey, soccer, basketball, there's a developmental process that's
all gone now. Players go to college one year out
college is valuable. So Kyrie's a one and Donner. Kyrie
comes into the league, he's the au coach begs him,
a college coach begs him. He gets Rich immediately, and
it's some of these guys are a little tougher to coach,

(43:56):
and by the way, there's nothing wrong with that. I
mean none. Every NFL guy or baseball guys easy to coach.
I think kemball Walker is more of an old school player,
will fit Brad Stevens better than Kyrie Irving, So I
think this actually works. Kemball Walker works. By the way,
Nick Nurse worked much better with Kawai than Greg Popovitch did.

(44:17):
Greg Popovitch's old school. Greg Popovitch is a legend and
Kahi's like, dude, a little much for me. Back off
Nick Nurse coach in the G League forever. I mean,
he's like, it's like it's like a camp counselor everybody
loves Nick Nurse. He didn't bring in the ego, the vanity,
the daunting lad legacy, and Kawhi like that. So it's

(44:38):
just a different world we live in. And I do
think Kyrie's talented and he'll probably be better off going
playing with a star regardless of a coach in Brooklyn.
But I don't think it worked in Boston. Doesn't mean
it doesn't mean Brad Stevens can't coach. It doesn't mean
Rick Carlisle can't coach. It doesn't. It's just the world.
It's just the way basketball in the culture for American
domestic basketball has changed. Kyrie will be happier else where,

(45:00):
and I think the Celtics will remember last year they
were twelve and three when Kyrie didn't play. Now, that
goes counterintuitive to what we think basketball is. Like, if
you if your point guards great, you should win more.
He sat they won more. It was just the numbers.
So this is a situation where not every great player
who has the ball in his hands is a great
fit with the team, the players, the coach, the city,

(45:23):
the system. Kyrie will make a lot of money, go
and do great and Kemba Walker. Finally, America will be
reintroduced to Kemba Walker, who's a really good player and
a really good kid and pretty low maintenance and had
a college coach who barked at him. And now we'll
have an NBA coach who has a system, and I
think they'll fit perfectly. I saw this yesterday. This was

(45:46):
people get freaked out about this stuff. Look, Lebron was
in a pair of shorts and he's a professional athlete,
so he would be in good shape. But there was
this picture that came out and Laker fans are freaking
at look at Lebron James. He's in great shape. Look
at right there. Oh my god, Lebron's amaze is unbelievable.
I can when not wait for the season. I will

(46:07):
say this about Lebron. I felt he had a very
bad year. But I was sitting around this morning, and
it's going to be a very interesting season next year.
And I think about this, think about the players who
have either regressed, are not as good as we thought,
have injury issues and won't play. Kevin Durant next year,
will not play, Clay Thompson most of the regular season,
will not play. Russell Westbrook's own team now acknowledging he's

(46:31):
their second best player. Chris Paul's injury has taken him
out of a top fifteen list. I think it's fair
to say Ben Simmons has regressed so as much negativity
as Lebron faced this year. And he stopped following me
on my social media because I badgered him all year
because I said it's a bad year for optics. It

(46:53):
was a bad year on the court. There was too
many businesses. You were too distracted. I was thinking this morning,
who are the ten best players next year in the NBA?
You know who I have number one. Number one's Lebron James. Now,
I know y'all love Kawhi, but he's a better ball
handler than Kawhi. He's a bigger athlete than Kawhi. He'll
be more rested than Kauhi. He's a better passer than Kawhi.

(47:16):
Lebron's the best player in the league. I think Kawhi
is the second best player in the league, and he's
a very good second best player, but he's gonna take
twenty games off Lebron's rest that he won't take twenty
twenty five games off. I think Janis is the third
best player in the league and probably, along with Rudy Gobert,
the best defensive player in the league. I think Steph Curry.
I now everybody's selling him because he struggled someone the finals.
Steph Curi's an absolutely impactful player and has changed the

(47:39):
way we played Basketball's four. I think James Harden and
Anthony Davis go five and six. Harden controls the ball,
so I give him a nudge over Anthony Davis. I
think Damian Lillard seven, had a great postseason. Joe lmbad
is eight, although I worry about his injury concerns. I
think the joker in Denver, who finally America figured out,
is a fascinating player. Acknowledge he's got an odd NBA body,

(48:03):
but he's a great player. And I think Paul George's
ten and so those are the to the ten best
players in the NBA. I think Lebron's number one again,
and I know everybody's in on Kawhi Leonard, but Kawhi
is very comfortable now if he stays in Toronto taking
twenty two games off. He's not the ball handler of Lebron.
He's not the rebounder of Lebron. He's not the passer
of Lebron. Frankly, I don't I don't think he has

(48:24):
Lebron's leadership qualities. And also Lebron's gonna have Anthony Davis
right next to him, so there's that's gonna help Lebron
because there's gonna be some double teams on Anthony Davis
in the low post. So in the end, it's been
a choppy year for Lebron. But if you're if you're
honest about it. He's probably the best player in the league.
With kd out, Clay out, Chris Paul's injury, Westbrook's been

(48:46):
sort of unveiled. I mean, Ben Simmons regressed. That's kind
of where we're I and I didn't put Kyrie in
the top ten because, as I said, I think he's
a great individual talent, but I think he's difficult. I
think Kyrie is the current NBA star that I'm much
lower on than everybody else in the league. It's just
a little flaky for my taste. It's just certain guys

(49:07):
work for me, certain guys don't. Kyrie I'm sort of
out on. Maybe he'll reel me back in. I'm kind
of out on him, but much like by the way,
I was out on Westbrook much earlier than people out
on John Wall, much earlier than people. I'm kind of
out on Kyrie Irving. But Lebron is still the best
player in the NBA. So there you go, Usa France tomorrow.
I want to remind everybody about that Rob Parker's around

(49:27):
the corner. He's going to argue because that's what he
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I was literally taking a nap. I put the phone
next to me so I can feel it. Buzz I
looked up it was my number, and I was like,
all right, this is a matrix deal. I'm not Keanu Reeves.
I'm not answering this thing. Have you ever been called
by your own number? No, that's you. It could have

(50:11):
been me from a time machine. Good call on that. Yeah.
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Megan Rapino, So she's not going to the White House.
It's very controversial, very controversial. I don't think it's controversial.
You can go or on go, who cares. But that's

(50:54):
what this country's about. You're supposed to have the right
to do what you want to call. It's called descent.
You can't dare you have an opinion about what you
do with your own life. By the way, that's what
makes America America public descent. I would go, because I
would go for any president. But if you don't want
to go, don't go. All right, Rob Parker joining us, Okay,
First of all, I drove to work this morning knew
you'd be on the show, and I knew you'd have

(51:15):
trouble with this. You and I are on the opposite
sides of the spectrum on this. Brady and Peyton Manning
have been friends all along. I think it's wonderful. I
think it's a con that you think everybody's fighting. There's
so much money now, nobody's taking anybody else's money off
the table. There's tant there's nine shoe companies in the
NBA paying players. Used to be like Nike and Converse,

(51:37):
and that was it. You don't like this. I don't
like it because I still think there should be a competition.
We've gotten to the point where guys used to try
to take food off each other's plate, now to eating
off the same plate. And you're right, and the money
has blurred the lines for a lot of people because
of that. But here's the thing. Just think about one

(51:58):
of the all time rids with Isaiah Thomas and Michael Jordan's.
It got to the point where it wasn't remember Isaiah
got the best of him early on, Michael then got
him at the end, and during it, Michael was the
one who kept him off the Dream team. Just think
about this, how deep rooted that was and how much

(52:21):
they didn't get along and like each other like that.
I do from the standpoint of I'm just saying that
there was real rivals. You really wanted to beat guys,
you didn't work out with each other during the off season,
and then you go play this too much. Friendly, friendly buddy, buddy.
It's a jersey swapping culture, yea, and all that. Why
would you do all that night. Maybe years later after

(52:42):
you retire and whatnot. But that was like the frattenize
and you stay with baseball, you're frattenizing with the other guys.
You would have a fight in the old days if
a player from another team tried to come into your clubhouse.
It wouldn't happen. Players wouldn't allow another guy to come in.
I think the American pub like overwhelmingly he's agrees with you.
I think most people don't like my opinion on this,

(53:04):
which is listen, money changes everything. We got twenty year
old billionaires now because of Silicon Valley. It's life. Is
that the NBA guys are all making money. But I'm
just saying from it's just like the Aau mentality we
talk about all the time. You don't like it. I
hate it. You all the great players in the city
all gang up on one team, beat nobody and then
beat their chest like, oh we went undefeated. Of course

(53:25):
you did. You didn't beat anybody. So the Brady Manning thing,
it just it just pulls a little bit of emotionally.
You wish they hated each other exactly, more like they
wanted to beat each other's brains in and wanted to
be that guy during that era. Not let's share this
and you win a few. I want a few. This

(53:45):
is great and we both get paid. That's the way
I like. All right, Zion, let me guess. Let me
guess your take on Zion. You're gonna follow Nscanner and
tell me he's Julius Randall. I'm might not go that far,
but the hype over him is way overboard. Here's a guy.

(54:07):
This is the thing that gets me, and I'm not
he could wind up being a great player. I don't know.
I gotta see how he transitions into the NBA. But
think about it, the hype is ridiculous. From this stampoint.
He was in college basketball. There's no other players. The
third right, the third pick in the draft. He was first.
The third was a teammate. Who did he play. You

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couldn't even name the fourth player in the NBA draft
this year prior to the draft because there's no other players.
So he played at Duke, a high profile, legendary school,
and then there are no other big stars around, so
of course he stands out bigger than anybody. Everybody eyes
Your eyes don't tell you. He's dynamic, Yes, but I

(54:49):
didn't see him against anybody else to really know where
he fits in. And you know, when you get to
the NBA, everybody's good, so everybody. So until we get
to see him him in those situations, I'll be able
to tell. Just because he has Instagram followers and they're
selling more merchandise. You know why he sells more merchandise
than anybody else because people have access now to be able.

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On the old days, you had to be in that
city of that town to buy that stuff. Now you
go online. Now you can get anything. You can watch
any game you want. It wasn't like that when Michael
Jordan and other people were coming along. It's totally war.
Do you think he'll be a good player, Yeah, dude,
But I'm just saying I'm not ready. You people are
ready to send him to the Hall of Fame and

(55:33):
this Cinnati's gonna be the next uh Lebron James. I'm
not there yet. I just I don't think he's as
good as Lebron. I'm just saying they're like, he's the
next it. I've heard that over and over. He's as
good as I'm not sure he's gonna be as good
as Charles Barkley. I think he's gonna be better than
Blake Griffin and better than Larry Johnson. Um, he won't
score as many points as carlm alone because he won't

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have a John Stock. I think he's gonna be a
ten time All Star. He's gonna be the face of
the league within about three years, and he'll be a great,
great twenty four and a half to twenty five and
a half point player. But I don't think he's gonna
be Lebron James. I'm just not convinced yet. I just
have to see him with the better talent. I think
he played against nobody in college, and when you're a
dominant big guy like that like he was, he's gonna

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shine bigger than everybody else. All right, Lebron and Anthony Davis,
you must be overwhelmed. You live in Los Angeles, you
can get season tickets, and it favored in Vegas to
win the championship Lebron and a d No way, no,
how am I buying into this. First of all, I'm
not even sure that this is the perfect match as
everybody else is making it out, because look at the

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last two big guys who play with Lebron and how
they what were they reduced to? Chris Boss and also
Kevin Love will put up unbelievable numbers in Minnesota. They
were both, they were both twenty four a game. I
mean they were OK. They were dominant NBA players and
they didn't turn out to be that way. And I'm
more convinced that maybe Kyle Kuzma winds up being that
second option, not Anthony Davis. Kyle Kolzman's passing the ball

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Anthony Davis, I'm not sure. I don't think he passes
it to anybody. But they went bent over backwards to
keep Kyle Kuzman for a reason. They think he has
thought quality. Yes, correct, So he could wind up being
the Dwayne Wade, the Kywee Irving. He could be in
that mix that Lebron has had with his three big players.
You don't think they'll win games. I'm not convinced so

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far from this standpoint. Look at the West, it's stacked.
I try to find out who's falling out that made
the playoffs a year ago to allow the Lakers to
move in. Pelicans in Utah are better. That's that's indisputable.
Utah's better. Pelicans are better and Denver's better from from
an experienced standpoint. They had a good team last Now

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I think they'll in the West, and then I do
think Portland Nurkicch is back, so they'll be better. So
so I'm trying to look and the only spot I
would say is the a spot with the Clippers. But
if they get Kawhide, then they leave all the way
to the top, So the Lakers could be left out
in the cold. Are the Lakers better, Yes, but I don't.
You would have to give me a team that's falling out,

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and I don't see it so far. Who's falling out?
Is Golden State not gonna make the playoffs? They will? Okay,
So I'm looking at Houston not gonna make the playoffs?
Will so who? So who's Golden State? Will Houston? Will Utah?
Definitely will Portland, Denver? I have Denver winning the West.
That's five Okay, See n they're out, I'd go Lakers.

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I would go, Uh, Pelicans are fascinating, maybe a bit young. Uh.
If Minnesota got D'Angelo Russell, I'd put Minnesota in the Clippers.
Clippers my bad Clippers are in Spurs and the teams
are probably in so I'm looking around. Now I'm saying
it's there's not a lot of openings at the hotel.
There's not a lot of hotel rooms open, and that's
why I'm not buying in. And then I don't know,

(58:53):
Anthony Davis, is there a transition year trying to figure
out what playing with Lebron? Don't forget Lebron is. Ye're
seventeen and you could talk about twenty seven, eight and
eight all you want, but they weren't impactful numbers as
they were a year ago when he went into playoff
mode activated You remember that, Yeah, they lost to bad

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teams and Lebron played. Their record was twenty eight and
twenty seven with Lebron. That's what the Lakers were. They
were five hundred team. By the way, you're a baseball guy.
You do my Inside the Parker podcast on the Herd
podcast network. You're also a Baseball Hall of Fame voter.
Explained something to me the Yankees. Everybody's been hurt and
they're still I think seven games in front in their

(59:36):
division now Judge and John Carlos stantoner back favorite to
win the American League and they've literally had nobody healthy.
How do you Explain that as a Baseball Hall of
Fame voter, because now they played this weekend in London.
By the way, you see that airplane the Red Sox traveled. Goodness,
it's a hotel. Explain it to me. It's been unbelievable.
The Yankees have had so much depth and got it

(59:59):
so much production from a lot of different people, and
it's incredible. The thing that you look at the Dodgers,
as good as they are, have fifty five wins. Yankees
have fifty one, So nobody's been healthy, and nobody's been healthy.
They lost their number one starter, Sevrino d d. Gregorious
was out, George stand I could go on and on

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and on. The team that was on a disabled list,
on the injured list now was as good as the
team that was playing. But Lemayheu and all these young kids,
Glabor Torres and all these guys have just come up
and been big for them. Luke Voight at first base
might be the first starting first baseman in the American League.
So they've just gotten their depth is great. They have

(01:00:41):
a really good bullpen, and the Yankees, if they go
out and get one more picture, they will be the
favorite to win the World Series. Good Senior Ron Parker,
always Joey channel with the news, no turns, This is
the herd Line news. So the Raptors just won their
first championship and franchise history. Trying to convince Kawai to
say trying to win a few more. In NBA Vet,

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Lou Williams shared some interesting insight on why it's so
difficult for the Raptors to keep players. He played for
the Raptors in the twenty fourteen fifteen season, and he
was on the No Chill podcast with Gilbert Rinas and
said that once you're there, you'll love playing for the Raptors.
You love playing for the for the country because it's
the whole country, the whole country. Like that fourth fifth

(01:01:26):
month into the season, you're like, man, I want to
go home. When you play in Toronto, you feel like
you're playing overseas. Oh it does. It feels like it.
But like we can't wait to go on the road
sometimes just to be in America, you know what I mean.
That's gonna be a little you don't think of like
the channels on your TV. Uh, your phone bill. You

(01:01:46):
gotta get you gotta get a Canadian bank account. I
feel like that that people don't think about. There is
a lot to what he said, Yeah, you forget about
There's there's little everyday things that are different that you
know affects your psyche, especially for routines, which athletes are
very big on. But I will say this is kind
of a unique situation because Kawhi is going to be

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the biggest star. He has an opportunity to be the
biggest sports star maybe in Canadian sports history if he
was if he used to win another championship, which is
totally possible. They're a well run team and there can
be some moves made in the East. But you know,
one of the losers in this is hockey is that

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when you looked at the sales and the TV ratings
of the Raptors the NHL, the Canadian team's joy are
kind of struggling to win playoff series because of the
pay structure and a lot of guys, a lot of
great hockey stars feel they can make more money, you know.
I mean, Canada is smaller than California, and so the
endorsements are better here Canada. Not since the Vancouver Canucks,

(01:02:53):
they're not getting to the Stanley Cup Final, they're not
winning it. If the Raptors maintain Kauai, couldn't you make
an argument they'll become the country's number one team, an
NBA team in a hockey country, because I think, you know,
Toronto's obviously the biggest city in Canada, it's also the
most noteworthy global city in Canada. It's the most discussed

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global city in the country. The interesting part about this,
if Kauhai stays, the NHL's got to be looking at
this thinking, in Canada, we thought we had that real
estate covered. They got to be a little nervous. Yeah,
because I think the Raptors they're really the country. I mean,
not only obviously they're the country's team, but they're an
incredibly embraceable NBA team with a lot of veteran players.

(01:03:38):
I thought they were. I thought they were fun to
all season and right. And the only real negative that
was surrounded surrounding the team during the regular season was
is Kawai going to be able to perform in the postseason?
Because he was out for so many games, nobody really
knew what to expect. But they do know what to
expect now, and the endorsements are going to be incredible,

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And let's not forget. This isn't forever, you know, like
everybody's motivated by different things. If he can build a
legacy and dynasty or even just the same success with
the Raptors, that's gonna live on forever. So there is
a different factor than just being a free agent and
saying for a few more years in Toronto. So Josie
Alpador returned through the US starting lineup yesterday. Yes, first

(01:04:23):
start for the national team. Its twenty months. My wife's gone,
kid's gone, dog's gone. That's what I did. Joilet soccer,
I'll know. And you were doing amazing things because you
have an amazing life. I was home with crickets watching
this game. Well here's here's the goal here. Yeah, bicycle, Yes,
bicycles kick lifting us over Panama won nothing. Now, now, joy,

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this is bigger than people think. For a couple of reasons.
We were beaten by Panama. This nit States men's national
team was in the toilet after we lost a Trinidad Tobago.
It didn't make the World Cup, a huge national disappointment,
got coach fired. This team didn't surrender a goal in
the knockout round. This was their backup roster, so they

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beat a Panama team with their backups. It was a
This was a significant win for them last night. So
they're at the top of the twenty nineteen Gold Cup
Group B. Yeah, and it was also the US's eleventh
of the tournament, tying the program's Gold Cup record. So
they'll now face a cinderella story Curusau in the quarterfinals

(01:05:27):
on Sunday at eight thirty pm Eastern on FS one.
Now Greg Burkhalter's the new coach. His whole theory is
Clint Dempsey's gone, We're going young. So he is playing
a lot of kids and his whole thing is, listen,
we just got to be ready for the twenty twenty
two World Cup. They I gotta be honest with the Offensively,

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it's the best they've looked. They really are humming a
lot of shots on goal, a lot opportunity, any kind
of positive momentum right now. The toilet a year ago
in the toiler, they definitely deserve credit to that. So finally,
we talked a little bit about this this morning. Tom
Brady and Peyton Manning had some legendary showdowns back in
the day, but apparently they ran into each other and

(01:06:11):
it was all it was all just alive. Brady snapped
a selfie with the caption spoilert we were friends this
whole time. Always great to see you, Peyton. Look at that. Well, okay,
so there's a lot going on here. One. As I've
been saying for a long time, and I just told
I told you earlier, beef is dead. I just don't
believe in anymore. I don't get caught up in it.
If it's really genuine, you will be able to tell.

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And it just doesn't exist anymore. Everyone was freaking out. Oh,
Draymond and Drake. They're having dinner in a few hours.
It's not that deep. It's just not anymore. And it's okay.
I'm okay with it because sometimes those beefs and rivalries
will get a little ugly. It's not as fun for
the fans because you know, you have all these memories
of these great battles. And then that he posted selfie

(01:06:53):
and says we were friends. We never really took it
that personally, and it kind of takes the buzz out
of it. Now, Do I really ever take it personally?
I don't think so. Unless something is personal is set.
I can compete against you, but not consider you an enemy.
And by the way, I can want to beat you
in tennis. But Federer and d n It all wins
on clay, federal wins hardcourt. They're clearly had they both

(01:07:16):
made one hundred twenty five million or plus. They have
too much respect for the money changes things a lot.
The money makes a big difference. When everyone's making hundreds
of millions of dollars. It's hard to go and climb
into your silk sheet Buffy bed and Man and be
angry about it. You know, it's not saying that they're
not competitive people, but you're not. You don't have the
animosity for your opponent that I think you sug this before.

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Now there was some other kind of underlying stories. You
remember in the middle of the flate Gate that email
came out with Brady kind. Yes, you know, it's taking
a little shot at Manning. He was saying he has
another seven or eight years and Manning's basically done. It's
the final chapter. I didn't even really think that that
was a big deal. Just revealed it was a tech
about it. Yeah it was. It wasn't again, it wasn't

(01:07:58):
that deep. And there they the thing that's annoying about
is like this whole time. You know, if you're a fan,
you're really getting into it, and then he puts the
picture up like yeah, you're just friends, Like oh Cecilly
for wasting your time being mad about all that. That's
kind of the part that's like, I feel so lucky.
I would loved what is the next Manning Brady? So

(01:08:20):
for twelve years I got Peyton, Manning and Brady. It
was Ali Frasier, it was I mean, we were I
was kind of hoping it was going to be Mahomes
and Golf. I think it could be Mahomes and Luck.
My guess is today it'll be Patrick Mahomes and Andrew
Luck for the next eight years. I don't think you'll
ever feel as big as Brady and Manning because I
think Manning I don't know though, I mean Mahomes I

(01:08:40):
can see. But these are these are two huge personalities
like Luck obviously incredible, great talent, but they're not the
personalities that Brady and Manning are. So joy of the news.
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. The
herd Line. Chris Handel stopped by give you the very
latest and all the stuff with free agency that's coming up.

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FS one NBA analysts, Yeah, who sports Senior NBA insider.

(01:09:25):
So I'm I'm looking on the internet yesterday. My wife's
gone for the weekend, so it's a lot of me
and watching whatever I want and Internet stuff and naps
and that Kevin Durant's got his arm around Charles Oakley.
But everybody's telling me that Kevin Durant is still hasn't
made up his mind. And I thought about this. Chris
Lebraun struggled with every move, Okay. I remember Maverick Carter

(01:09:48):
and those guys saying three days out he did not
know he was going to Miami. It shocked us when
he went back to Cleveland. I think we as consumers
and media, think these guys have all this stuff figured out.
My feeling on Kevin Durant is this is hard. He's look,
he's a good listener. Do you think he's got it
figured out? I do in this situation. I do. That

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doesn't mean it's not hard. Remember when he signed with
the Golden State Warriors. Then it came out later on
that you know, he was kind of upset at one point,
you know, asking his manager, why did you let me
do this? Why did you why? Why did I do this? So?
But I think, look, this connection with with New York.
I'm talking about the Knicks. You know, we've been known

(01:10:31):
about this for a while. And the way things happened,
the way things ended abruptly for Kde in Golden State
this last year. It couldn't have came at at Adam.
It couldn't have come at a worse time for Golden
State with hopes of retaining him. That's why I think,
you know, he's going to meet with some teams out there,
the Knicks included. I just don't I just don't feel good.

(01:10:53):
If I'm a Warriors fan, I just don't feel good.
He's selling his Malibu house or he is moving off
his West Coast real estate. Now there are varying reports
Chris it could be Kyrie Irving and Nets the second
most popular team, or it would be the Knicks. You're
saying it's Knicks. I think it would be more so
the Knicks than Brooklyn. But obviously I think he's he's um,

(01:11:16):
he's definitely looking into it because Kyrie looked like that's
a four conclusion with Kyrie ended up in Brooklyn, So
it's something he's going to listen to. But I ultimately
think the Knicks have the upper hand. Okay, so that's
where we stand on that. Um, Let's go to Kawhi Leonard.
And at this point, I Kawhi Leonard has been the
one player. I don't know that anybody truthfully knows it.

(01:11:38):
He's a very quiet, reticent guy. Do you have a
gut feeling on Kawhi Leonard today? I think, Look, I
think he's going to meet with the handful of teams.
I reported that, and you know I spoke with Uncle.
Go ahead, No, you reported, Now what teams did you report?
I reported? I didn't report the teams. I report a handful.
We have a clue, we have an idea what the
teams are going to be, but it's going to be

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a handful of teams. I spoke with his uncle, uncle
Dennis Robinson, right before the finals started. He was telling
me about just the trust that was built in Toronto
with the medical staff, with the front office, and how
they didn't initially going over to Toronto. They didn't want
to do it, they had no desire to be there.

(01:12:21):
Obviously things have changed. Trust was built something that he
wrote it when he was in San Antonio the past year.
So I think man Toronto has a great shot of
retaining him. But you know he's gonna listen to other teams,
you know, particularly that the La Clippers. We all know
they've been going after him all year behind the scenes.
So I think it's gonna be tough. But ultimately I

(01:12:42):
like where. I like where Toronto was at right now.
Explain to me. I hear the Jr. Smith stuff to
the Lakers, so a d and lebroner in Kyle Kuzma,
who I thought they needed to keep his in. I
hear a lot of D'Angelo Russell stuff. Is that just
internet stuff or do you buy D'Angelo because I think
Minnesota is desp Here's my theory on D'Angelo. Minnesota's got

(01:13:04):
Karl Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins and have been really disappointing.
The fans are getting tired of it, the owners getting
tired of it, and the GM's gonna go all in
on D'Angelo. Now, I got three all star level guys.
I think you can't keep selling me Andrew Wiggins and
Carl Anthony Town and not making the playoffs. And the
West is stacked. I think they backed the truck up

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for D'Angelo, and frankly, I think they're a playoff team.
I don't think the Lakers can pay everything because D'Angelo
Russell to me, I mean, if you got to a
d Lebron, D'Angelo, and Kuzma, that's a bunch of good
players that that should be favorites in the West. So
so he's kind of a lynchpin to me, where do
you think he goes? Minnesota is a good spot. Uh,

(01:13:44):
look the Lakers there. There is interest in him returning
to the Lakers. You know that that part is true.
That is true. Um, I would expect him to meet
what the Lakers doing free agency. And you look at
the fit. I know people are a little bit concerned
about the fit, but you look de Angelo. He's mature,
since he left LA. He's a bonafide All Star now

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in his right and he's somebody who could play on
the ball or off the ball. He can, and that's
a very good point. He can be a two guard
very and that's very beneficial of playing alongside Lebron's lights.
And so when you know, obviously it's not the marquee
free agent that you know, the Kevin Durant, Kawhi Jimmy.
But I agree, I agree, and that's why I think

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it makes all the sense in the world if they
were to make that work. But going to the Minnesota
I don't know how much better they would be in
Minnesota because I still I have my bones to pick
with Andrew Wiggins. I just I just don't know. I
don't know about that kid. But it definitely point guard
spot from Minnesota that would feel that would feel that
Void Imsley. By the way, Zion Williamson sold more jerseys

(01:14:50):
and T shirt than the entire first round combined. When
you talk to people through the league, I think he
feels like Tiger Woods when he was winning junior. I
think he's going to be a star now, I don't
think he's going to be an All Star level player.
Out of the shoot. I think he's gonna have to
figure it out. They're a very young team. There's a
bunch of new parts there, so I think I think

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the Pelicans will be interesting post trading deadline good in
February March. I think he's gonna walk into this league
and be a star. Though, what are you hearing from
your people? What are they saying about Zion? Well, I
think he's going to be a star from the get goal,
but I think based off of I think he's gonna
be a star just for the status that he has
right right, not necessarily star play player. But with that

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being said, call I remember when you know, my first
my first season covering the league full time was the
eleven twelfth season, and there were two teams that when
you would go to their games, the fan base or
the butts and the seats were just abysmal, the Atlanta Hawks,
New Orleans Pelicans. Yeah, and it was still that way

(01:15:54):
considering the fact that they had Anthony Davis, who's regarded
as a top five player. It's a football city, yeah,
it's a football city. But I think that's all going
sayings was Zion being there? You know that the buzz
the hype that's around him, and he's embracing the city.
You know, he's going out there doing community events already,
hasn't even signed his New Orleans Pelicans contract yet, but

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he's out there and you could tell he's going to
embrace this. And I think they're gonna be there. That
tennis is going to skyrocket from the wasn't as good
for them because they've been suffering for a while. But no,
I think he's going to be a star in that
regard in season one. I don't think he's gonna be
a bus I just don't know the extent of the
stardom he's going to be as a player in the league.
But I think he's gonna be fine. So we've got

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all this, you know, Al Horford, Kyrie Irving say Boston
not interested, and there is sort of a feeling a
lot of players, especially Rich Paul guys don't love don't
love Boston. Now we hear the kemball Walker stuff. I
think he actually is a good fit. I don't like
players taking pay cuts, but Charlotte's not gonna offer from
a max, so the pay disparity is not as huge

(01:17:00):
as a lot of the reports. What do you hear
about the Celtics now because they got money and Horford
and Kyrie are gone, so and being able to get Kimba,
and you know, there's a lot of people feel like
that's school and that's a done deal. With Kimba going
to Boston four years, one hundred and forty forty one
million dollars, He's going to get that, regardless of if
he goes to Boston, New York, Dallas. But like Boston

(01:17:25):
has an upper hand for sure. But with that being said,
what it does is it keeps them in that that
hunt right now, their championship didn't hunt. Yeah, and the
East it does, and the East it does. And then
look you look at all that they would have lost,
would be Al Horford. And so there you know, I
reported you got you had him on yesterday in his cannery.
I reported that you know Boston is looking at in
his cancer Boston Los Angeles Lakers. Oh, he'll give you

(01:17:46):
seventeen seventeen point tonight, and and what and what Kimba
does and why he's not better than Kyrie, but he
may be a better fit. That's everything, yeah, for Boston,
And so it makes all the sense in the world
they can get this. Uh, they hit a home run
considering they're gonna lose their top two players this offseason. Yeah,
Kimba's a really good player, Keimba And I was telling

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Joy this earlier. Kemba's got a bigger brand for college
basketball for me. I remember the Madison School garden stuff
or the thank I've watched him play and show. I
don't see Charlotte playmatch. I'll be honest with you, I
just don't. And it's not because I'm just on the
West coast, but they've never been a team that I set,
you know, my TV schedule for There's about eight teams
I watched regularly. They're not one of them. And he's
a terrific scorer. And what Charlotte did they kind of

(01:18:29):
messed up the situation. We knew for a while that
it was a good chance that Kimball Walker was going
to get one to three All NBA team spots, and
so they you knew you were gonna have to he
was gonna be elgible Fast Supermax. Why did they not
try to trade him at the deadline to try to
get something for him. Now he's gonna walk for free
and they'll get nothing, get nothing in return. And for
Charlotte Hornett franchise, who overpaid for a lot of players

(01:18:53):
they have when they roster, they're waiting for those contracts
to expire. You need some more assets coming in. So
they messed up Jimmy Butler. Where's he land. I think
Jimmy ultimately lands back with the Philadelphia Simmons Yeah, so
do I I think it works. Actually for it does work.
I mean, he was a key piece for them in
the playoffs. We were saying this yesterday, is that because

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Ben Simmons is not a shooter and he's more of
a passer, that Ben Simmons doesn't really get in the
way of Jimmy Butler's game, and that Butler gets the
ball at the end of the shot clock and at
the end of possessions, and Jimmy likes that Simmons is
one of those rare NBA players who has the ball
in his hands but really does want to concentuate your game.

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And I think Butler, in a weird way, he and
Simmons kind of oddly fit. They do. And you know,
I'll say this, I think the only way that Jimmy
interferes with Ben Simmons's game is down to stretch. So
you've seen like in the fourth quarters, Jimmy started bringing
the ball up. He was playing point and it worked
to the Sixes benefit because he's somebody who can catch
and shoot yes from the outside, and that's what you

(01:19:56):
need down the playoffs at that point. So that's the
only time where Ben Simmons has to try to play
a game. He's not that accustomed to doing, all right.
Chris Haynes Good cnu FS one NBA analyst, Yahoo Sports
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Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you like. Okay,
here is reasonably breaking news. Broken news. According to Woes,
Anthony Davis is waving his four million dollar trade kicker.
That means it gives the Lakers a little more cap space.
The Lakers are now also trading Moe Wagner, Isaac Bonga,

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and Jamario Jones to the Wizards as part of the
Anthony Davis deal with New Orleans. League sources tells Zach Lowe.
He's a respected reporter and podcaster. So the deal clears
contracts and creates more cap space for free agency. So
now the Lakers, Yeah, now they have thirty two millions,

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So the Lakers can now afford a max player. So
they have Lebron, they have Anthony Davis, and now they
have space for a third. But what is really interesting
in all this is the well run Clippers are fighting
for their life. They've done everything right. Chemistry owner GM
brought in Jerry West. Where do the playoffs? Doc Rivers

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had his best coaching year arguably, They're fighting for their
lives in a tug of war with the Raptors to
get Kauai. And the Lakers have Lebron, Anthony Davis and
now officially a d Waves his trade kicker. The Lakers
have thirty two million dollars. So here you go. They
must know something, right, well, I mean, this is this

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is big news because they were not going to be
able to be in realistically in the running for any
of these max players. All right, so let's go to
Ian Begley. Ian. Of course s n Y in New
York covers the nets and the next so let's let's
go to our phone for this. So Kyrie Irving is
one of the players that has been mentioned, but Ian,

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give me your insight. I've been told he's going to
be a Brooklyn Net if they're what are you hearing
about Kyrie and the Nets? Because if this Laker story
just came out, Kyrie is one of the big names mentioned.
What are you here with Kyrie? Oh? Listen, the team's
chasing Kyrie. All have seen the Nets is the add
Ons favorite for several weeks. Somebody who is connected to

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Kyrie said before the Anthony Davis deal went down that
the only way the Lakers would have a shot at
Kyrie is if they did the deal before the draft
and we're able to create enough cap space to bring
him in. And obviously they did that, so you know,
I wouldn't you know. People are in the league don't
see the Lakers out of it. On anybody as far

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as Max Starr still, particularly after this transaction that you
guys just mentioned, everybody who's paying attention to Irvy's free
agencies again sees the Nets as the odds on favorite.
As we head towards Sunday evening, Kevin Durant not a Laker.
Nobody thinks that what are you hearing about Durant on
the East coast? You know, I don't think anybody has

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a strong read on this thing right now because I
think they've gone pretty silent, Durant and the people around him.
But no team believes they're out of it, and that
includes the Knicks. I think the Knicks believe that there's
still have a shot here with Kevin. Obviously, the Nets
think they have a shot. And then you have Golden
State looming with that monster offer that they can offer

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Kevin if they show choose, And then you have the Clippers.
So one of the game team has been given any
indication one way or the other that they're fully out
of it. Again, heading it the Sunday, Here we are
four days from the start of free agency. K you
covered this year DeAngelo Russell. So if I was a
Laker fan, I would say, well, if he's so great,

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why are you letting him go? Can you give us
the truth with de'angelo Russell? Because Ian when he was
in Los Angeles, Magic didn't like him, major maturity issues.
It did not go well, was not liked in the
locker room. Is he a different young man this morning? Oh? Listen.
I heard the same thing in Los Angeles, but I

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can only speak to my experiences with de Angelo covering,
and that's especially the latter part of this season. He
was polite with the media, He was a gentleman with us.
People around the NET organization think he was mature. They
said that they were well aware of the red flag
that came with him from LA when they treated for him,
but that was not their experience at all. And I

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think that you know, the veterans on that Nick scow
to that NET team, Jared Dudley, Demark Carroll, others, really
helped the Angel understand the importance of taking care of
his body and being cognizant at all times, and the
importance of what you put in your body and how
much work you put in between games. I think that
really rubbed off on Russell and that was a part

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of the reason why you saw the success that you
did from Russell this season, usually making the All Star
team and helping lead that neckclub to the playoffs. Well
stories coming out. Anthony Davis has waived the kicker, so
the Lakers now have thirty two million dollars. All your
sources around the league, I know you're on the East coast,

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but you know you're also tri state area around Jimmy Butler.
Butler's going to be one of the four guys. Butler, Kyrie, DeAngelo,
Kawhi Leonard are the four guys the Lakers appear to
be interested in. What do you hear about Jimmy Butler.
The interesting thing to me is nearly day, you know,
several teams and relieved that they had interest in pursuing

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both Kawahi and Jimmy Butler and pairing those guys up.
And that was that was from you know, teams in
contact with both camps. And you know, I think that
you look at the Clippers, then they could have they
could get to the space to get both of those guys.
If you move then Ella down and Iray. Obviously the
Nets does even the nick have that space and the

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Nets have that space. But I do know that several teams,
maybe even teams outside of those three have strong interest
in pairing Jimmy can quite together. Obviously with Jimmy though
it starts in Philadelphia. If Philadelphia is comfortable, if their
ownership is comfortable offering him that five year backs, he's
staying there. But you know, there's uncertainty there how ownership

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feels about going the full five years in the full
backs there. And if if that's the case, I believe
Jimmy wants all his money. So he's either going to
leave in a sign and tree you know ESPN report
of Houston being possible there, or he's gonna get max
money from another I think that's it. Starts in Philly
with Jimmy, and again would rule out the idea of

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Kawhi and Jimmy somewhere. All right, Ian, we gotta run.
Thank you very much. We appreciate you stopping by. Here
we go, this is the big story. This is the
breaking news. So Anthony Davis has waived his kicker and
they've traded parts to the Washington Wizard. So that means Lebron,
Anthony Davis, Kyle Kuzma. They have money for a max player.

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The four players and I'll just tell you my gut
feeling on this, the four players that have the highest
percentage chance to land there are Jimmy Butler number one.
I don't think it's Jimmy Butler. I think Philadelphia is
gonna max him. I think Philadelphia needs a shooter and
a score. So even though Jimmy Butler is in Los
Angeles all the time. About two weeks ago, I saw

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a video of Mark Woolberg and Jimmy Butler hanging out
at his home in Los Angeles. I don't think it's
Jimmy Butler. I don't. I also think Houston is desperate
to get Jimmy Butler. I think Houston's more desperate than
the Lakers are for Jimmy Butler. So I think between
Philadelphia and Houston, even though Jimmy likes Los Angeles, I
think that's where Butler lands. Kyrie Irving, I've never bought

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into it. Anthony Davis and Lebron are a little less flaky.
Kyrie's injury prone. He is an East Coast guy. The
sore side trust holding me. Kyrie wanted to stand the East.
His dad wanted him to stand in the East. I'm
told it's the Nets. I would eliminate him. Kawhi Leonard.
I think the Clippers have the upper hand. I think

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it's a two team race. I think he may give
the Lakers an interview. I believe that to be true.
But I think it's Clippers in Toronto, though I have
no insight with Kawhi Leonard. My feeling on this is
D'Angelo Russell. That's what my gut tells me on this,
DeAngelo Russell. I don't know if you'd have to pay
him thirty two, if you could convince him to come

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for less than that and then get a bench guy
or a fifth starter. I also think DeAngelo he's a shooter. Now,
he's more of a mid range guy than a three guy.
But he can play point when Lebron hits the pine.
He can move over to the two when Lebron has
the ball. Their games probably work pretty well together, you know, immaturity.

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He left La he comes back. Reportedly, Magic was not
a fan of DeAngelo. Everybody else was okay with him.
Everybody else in the house was okay with him. Magic
didn't like him. Magic, though mature for his age, very
much about business. Magic's not into the nonsense. It's all
about the commerce. So Magic was just tired of his nonsense.

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This feels to me. I know it's late. I think
de'angelo Russell feels like to fit here, and I wonder
if you'd have to pay him thirty two, be could
you pay him a little bit less and then convince
him to take just a tad less and then I think,
then I do believe if your team is Lebron top

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one or two player in the league, Anthony Davis, top
five or six player, DeAngelo, top twenty twenty five player, Kuzma,
one of the fifteen twenty best young players, then they
would be favored for the NBA Championship. What really takes
me back and it's I feel bad for the Clippers,
the Lakers, and I don't think this is even an opinion.
They've had a great deal of dysfunction for the last

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two to three years. I mean magic joining, magic, quitting
Rob Polinka, magic, not getting along, losing record. There's just
been a lot of chaos around the Lakers for two
and three years. But it shows you the power of
the brand is that when a Michigan football, a Yankee baseball,

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a Laker, a Celtic, a Dallas Cowboy, you can be down.
Alabama football was down for a while, but when you
get the right coach or the right people, you rebound
incredibly fast. It is going to be so painfully ironic
if the Lakers land a d in DeAngelo Russell and
the Clippers don't land anybody. I mean that's to be

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Like you talk about the power of branding, because between
Steve Bomber, Jerry West, Doc Rivers the locker room this year,
Clippers did everything right, probably the most overachieving team in
the league. They did scouting right. I mean, they want
to trade with the Lakers on zoobots. They want everything.
They did everything right, the Lakers did virtually everything wrong.

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And the power of the brand. They now have room
for another Max player with the Lakers. Well, I mean
you could say it's the power of the brander. Lebron
Rich Paul doesn't look also so crazy now that all
this is playing out. But I think they still need shooters.
Well that DeAngelo is a shooter, but he's more a
mid range He's a scorer. He's not a natural shooter.

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He's like Kyle Kuzma's a score. I wouldn't call him
a shooter. Klay Thompson's a shooter. No, they need a shooter. Yeah,
they really should get JJ Reddick. Oh, I'd love to
see that and JJ I ever tell you JJ Reddick
found my I lost my dog one time and JJ
Reddick found him in Manhattan Beach. I was looking at
the house with my wife and my dog got loose,

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and JJ Reddick was looking at a house in our
neighborhood and came and said, hey, I found somebody's dog.
It was very nice. JJ was very nice. He was
upset that it was my dog. I'm joking, Uh yeah,
let it go out into the street after that. But No,
Reddick is had a house in Manhattan Beach very much.
An LA guy likes it here. I don't think it's

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he loved being a Clipper. I don't think it's crazy.
I said this a week ago, Darren Collinson, Patrick Beverley,
JJ Reddick, I would love to get Now do you
sacrifice that and go get a four? Yeah? I gotta
be honest with you. This is suddenly very interesting. Yeah.
I don't think it's Kyrie. I don't think it's Butler.

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I think Houston and Philly are desperate for Butler. Lakers
aren't desperate for him. I think Kyrie is going to
stay in the East Coast, and I think Kawhi Leonard
has two teams. He may visit the Lakers. I don't
think he'll be sold on the Lakers. Joy with the news, No, No,
this is the herd Line News. NBA agency is so
fun it's crazy. You know what's funny? I didn't I

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just say little. I said ten minutes ago, I said,
we may have a breaking news story. And then at pause,
you also said, these next few days are like the
calm before the storm, and here they go. Our first
waves started. Yes, So the Celtics are reportedly the front
runner to land Kemba Walker when he becomes an undrestricted
free agents Sunday at six Eastern six pm Eastern, and

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Seaman Sharania noted that Walker and the Hornets have reached
a stalemates and their extension talks. Will Woad reported that
Boston can continue to clear up some cap space created
a number that gets up to Kemba Walker's max. Right now,
Boston and Kemba are focused on each other and there's
a very strong possibility the Kemba Walker will replace Kyrie
Irving as a point guard has a centerpiece in Boston.

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In Vegas agrees they just released Kemba's free agency odds
and the Celtics are favored right now to lands Kemba Walker.
We haven't really seen how great Kemba Walker can be
because we haven't seen him with a high level amount
of talent around him. This would be a nice save
by the Celtics. This would be a nice save. This
would be huge for thee because in their current they're

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gonna lose Al Horford too. So in their current situation,
they went from being what we expected to be a
teens in the NBA Finals too. What do they have
a completely young core? I was just texted something, Um,
the Lakers feel like they are in the lead for

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a current free agent. They feel like they're in the
lead for it. That's part My source is not telling me.
My sources telling me. The Lakers feel like they are
in the lead. So that must mean they're either in
the lead for Butler, Kyrie DeAngelo or Kawhi Leonard. That's
why they made this. They think they're in the lead.
So I'm gonna go D'Angelo. That's my feeling. It's D'Angelo Rossos.

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I mean, DeAngelo is the one that makes the most sense.
He is. Okay, that's a fun team, Lebron d Angelo,
Anthony Davis Cood. You remember when everybody was just the fun. Well, yeah,
free they're paying him nothing. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
I don't think that the Lakers should go for fun.
At this point, they are in a win now situation,

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so they need to go with the pieces that work
for what Lebron at least was, because you remember, we
are going to see a new chapter of Lebron, Like
this is him coming off his first major injury. And
I'm not saying that I don't think he's going to
come back at one hundred percent or better, but his
game may have changed a little bit. I mean, he
is going into what is seventeenth season. So the Rockets
are in pursuit of Jimmy Butler, as you just mentions

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they did, They do really want him. They offered four
first round picks of Timberwolves for Jimmy Butler earlier last season,
and it's now been reported that they're interested in assigned
trade to Philly, and the rumor mill heated up even
more yesterday when Rod Woad reported that the Rockets are
now offering Eric Gordon, Clint Cappella, and KEJ Tucker to
clear up cap space. Clint Cappella actually would fit very

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well with Kimba Walker in Boston because they're losing Al Horford.
He descends above the rim and he plays. He spend
the rim on defense and he plays above the rim
on offense. Let me tell you something. Let me tell
you something. If you lose Al Horford and Kyrie and
you get Kemba Walker and Clint Capella, that is a
great save. Yeah, that's a really good save by Boston.

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That's that's a solid team. Now we put it all
together because Boston's had these these issues of fitting stars
in there. But if they feel like they could work
in through that system, and then of course you have
Eric Gordon and PJA Tucker, Jimmy Butler would add some defense.
They're not Gordon Son on the defensive end. PJ Tucker
obviously is. But there's those who would work in Philadelphia.

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They're gritty and they're great shooting, and that would fit
perfectly there. So there's a lot of moves of the
rockets he needs to make in order to get Jimmy Butler.
He is from Houston. The locker room element of it,
with all the personalities and the rumors of how things
ended in Houston, with the arguments and they're not speaking
and stuff could be interesting. How about this? Can I
throw something at you? Yes, there is gaining steam. This

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is shady, but fantastic. That a Anthony Davis waived his
four million dollar trade kicker because he's getting it through
space Joan. Of course that's a given, so they're paying
him through the movie deal. This is delicious. Yeah, this
is Gordon Gecko. Colin. Chris Haynes also just reported that
Lebron is giving him the number twenty three next year.

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What in the heckled on? Okay, continue one please, I
have to I don't know what topics right now. This
is live television told all right, So the Raptors won
their first championship franchise history, and they're trying to convince
Kawaii to stay. It's pretty much between the Raptors and
the Clippers with Kawai at this point. So we assume.
Lou Williams had some thoughts on why it's difficult for Raptors,
the Raptors, the key players. He said this on the

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Note Show podcast with Gilbert Arenas, Once you're there, you'll
love plan for the Raptors. You love plan for the
country because it's the whole country. It's the whole country.
Like that fourth fifth month into the season, you're like, man,
I want to go home. When you play in Toronto,
you feel like you're playing overseas or does it feels

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like it, But like we can't wait to go on
the road sometimes just to be in America, you know.
I think that's gonna be a little you don't think of,
like the channels on your TV phone bill. You gotta
get you gotta get a Canadian bank account like like
that that people don't think about. It is a big adjustment.
But I do think that what's on the line for

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Kawhi Leonard is slightly bigger than just a free private jet,
free print house. I mean, he he has an opportunity
to be a legendary Canadian athletes and not just for
the city of Toronto. I think we were we may
have gotten a little ahead of ourselves with being the
greatest athlete in Canadian history. You know, there are a
few other names out there, Wayne Gretzky, you know, Cordy Howe,

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There's there's a few other guys that have placed there.
They're marked on Canadian sports history, even Steve Nash. But
I do think that if they were to bring another championship,
even just one more championship sit Toronto, he would be
up there. And it's I mean the endorsements that he
would have. It's just it feels so much bigger. Unfortunately

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the Clippers and everything, right, but it feels so much
bigger too. So I'm told the Lakers believe they're a
front runner for one of the free agents, because I
mean they've landed him. They believe they're a front runner,
Holly Moley, But which free agent? Huh did you ask
him which free agent? Or her? That part? I don't

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think the Lakers. No, no, no, the Lakers know, but
the Lakers don't want to make it public because if
they don't land them, it looks foolish. Yeah, So the
Lakers believe they're a front runner, I'm told for one
of the free agents. That's their belief. I gotta be
honest with you. I don't know, Raw Polinka. Okay, I've
said on the show many times I've never met a

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guy who gets badmouth more. But if he pulls this off,
I mean that you talk about talk to the hand
that is the ultimate facial, he's gonna go all right.
But Man, as much as the blame went around for
the dysfunction, I think the credit should probably go around
as well. I don't I don't know that they's no,
I streamlined there, but decision making yet. I gotta tell

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you this, I've been ripping the Lakers for a year.
If they pull all this off, they deserve credit for
turning it around, because that's what that's what you need
to do when you have a dysfunctional year for a change.
Reporting Lebron's giving Anthony Davis his number twenty three. I
like six with Lebron better anyway. I always like War eight.
I like eight better six, Jeter War two, I like,

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I like smaller numbers. Zion Wars one. Well, it's also
because he said he didn't wear twenty three out of
respect for Jordan, and then he started wearing twenty three,
so it's just go back to six. Yeah, Lakers like that.
It's a new Jersey to sell crazy town joy with
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Baseball game in England, as the Yankees take on the
Red Sox live from London Saturday at twelve thirty Eastern
nine thirty am Pacific on Fox. The breaking news is
Anthony Davis has waived his four million dollar trade kicker
and the Lakers are trading several young players to the
Washington Wizards, so they now have thirty two million dollars

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in cap space. This is a real story. We've got
breaking news. So the Lakers who have been I mean
they've been. There's no arguing even if you're a Laker fan,
they've been kind of a man. They draft DeAngelo Russell,
they get him out of town, they put Magic in,
he quits on television. He doesn't tell his bosses. They
move up Rob Polinka their flow chart. We don't know

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who really runs the organization. It's been kind of mayhem
man overboard. But I say this all the time, is
when you have a big brand and there's maybe there's
maybe fifteen in American sports, Duke basketball, Notre Dame football,
Ohio State football, Lakers, Celtics, Yankees, you know there's just

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not many of them. Dallas Cowboys are obviously Steelers, Packers
when these are just these are ingrained brands, right like
they're just bigger brands. They go down. Packers had twenty
years Steelers in between Super Bowls, Alabama football, Ohio State football.
Like they all dip. There's no question they all dip.

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Lakers have been a mass for five years. I think
they have the second worst record or worst record in
the NBA for five years. But in a star driven league,
if you're a and there's two sports in the world
that are really star driven, Soccer and the NBA, those
are global sports where Real Madrid can go into the
tank for seven years. If they get a Ronaldo, then

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suddenly they're the hottest brand in America. The power of memory,
the power of us growing up with certain brands. Oregon
football will never be as big as Michigan football. As
long as they both have the big coach, it doesn't matter.
Michigan was so relevant in the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties,
you can't catch up. And you just got to remember

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with the Lakers. Between the Lakers and Celtics, you got
like thirty five titles since nineteen fifty. These are the
two brands of note. Now. La was always sunnier than Boston,
but the culture has changed. NBA players now are doing movies.
They don't have to be great. You got average guys
doing movies. So the culture has benefited entertainment towns, and

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La is the number one entertainment town. Boston's not. And
this shows you the power of sunny weather. It shows
you the power of Lebron James. Don't kid yourself. Lebron's
got a lot of power. It shows you the ability
of Lebron to make a movie. Maybe give you a
little kicker here, a little kicker there. You know, people
will say it's shady. I just think it's good business.
I just think this is what it's recruiting. This is

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what you do, by the way, in college basketball recruiting
right now. And I'm not taking a shot at anybody,
but a real trend is all these high school stars
that go to universities, they all end up their parents
moved to Durham, North Carolina. They're moving to the And
I'm not picking on Duke. I'm just saying it's a
real trend. Am I saying it's shady. No but I'm

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saying it's like a trend where high school stars end
up going to universities and the parents moved to the town.
Now it may just be for support, but it's like
a trend. It's all about businesses. It's it's just things change.
Au basket an idea that there's some level of purity
to it because it's sports competition, but it's it's a

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business at the end of the day, it's an entertainment business. Yeah,
this is a this is a massive story. So now
the Lakers have cap space, there's four players I believe
they want. I think Kawhi is who they want more
than anybody. I don't think they're a leader in the
clubhouse for Kauhi. I think the Clippers and the Raptors are.
That's who they choose first. My next guess is they

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would choose Kyrie Irving next. If they had a choice.
It wouldn't be my second choice. I think it would
be Lebron's because of familiarity and he is a pure shooter.
I don't think they're gonna get Kyrie Irving. I think
their third choice would be Jimmy Butler because he's athletic
and again spot up shooter. I think DeAngelo is DeAngelo

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Russell is probably if you ask them their fourth choice.
He's younger. I don't really see him as a max player.
You gass him up with all that money. He had
some immaturity problems. I do think he's a pretty good fit.
I don't think he's nearly as good as Kauai. I
don't think he's as good offensive player as Kyrie. I
think he's the fourth most talented guy. So my guess

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is the Lakers, de'angelo would be their fourth choice in
terms of if we got to pay somebody thirty two.
Kawai's yer one, DeAngelo is your four. But I think
DeAngelo is the one that they would be the leader
in the clubhouse. And I also think D'Angelo Russell he
liked LA. He didn't like being traded. He liked LA.

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He was a one, and Donner came to Los Angeles
kind of a hangout guy, a little bit too much
of one, but I think he liked Los Angeles. So yeah,
it's it's fascinating, right, It's crazy. And we kind of
knew what was happening because Sundays the day. So I
kept saying, watch Friday and Saturday, the rumors start to
ramp up here, we got one today. It does concern

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me though, Like you're talking about getting D'Angelo Russell and Kyrie.
What that dude to Anthony Davis's game? Like we've seen this. Well,
remember Lebron won titles with Bosh and Kevin Love as
their games were marginalized. I mean the end game is
winning titles, right, he won those titles, But what were
the other pieces that were around him when he won? Well,

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if let me ask you this, If you have Lebron,
a d ind'angelo Russell, I don't think that's quite as
talented as Lebron, Bosch and d Wade. But because Lebron
was in his prime and he's not in his prime, right,
But is Lebron? I think I think Lebron, Anthony Davis,

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in D'Angelo Russell and Kuzma is more talented than Lebron,
Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving and Trustin Thompson. Yes, I just
think that there's a I think they need some some
other very key X factor pieces. They need a JJ
Reddick and Darn Collinson. They need it. They definitely need Listen,

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I they wanted to keep Josh Hart you know, they
knew they were going to have to give up Lonzo,
and we we told LaVar bald this on the set,
your son's gonna get traded. They I knew. I was
told that the Pelicans wanted Lonzo and one of the
two forwards. The Lakers thought Kuzman had greater leadership skills
and it was a healthier body than Ingram. The Lakers

(01:48:17):
were really ideally would give up Lonzo and get LaVar
Circus out of town. All right, here's another one, Um,
this isn't shocked me. Kawhi Leonard plans to meet with
both the Lakers and Clippers during free agency. That doesn't
shock me. I think he would if he was in
Los Angeles, he would meet with the Lakers. Sure, especially

(01:48:39):
now they have this. That's that's kind of out of
respect to Lebron. You'd meet, you'd meet the Lakers. I'll
tell you, though, this is got the poor Clippers. Who knows,
there's a lot there's a lot of things that can
still happen. Jerry West will officially retire, He'll just I'm
done with it. If Kawhi signs with the Lakers, the
count the Clippers out. Yet, what if they just get

(01:49:01):
out Horford. God, that would hurt. That would be a
kick to the solar plexus so Kawhi. According to Chris Haines,
gonna meet the Lakers. The rest of the league is
so pissed. They all hate the Lakers. The herd

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