The Preacher and The Pagan

The Preacher and The Pagan

Two long time friends discuss the ins and outs of Christian history, faith, and spirituality from a Christian and Pagan point of view. Funny, informative and often optimistic, these discussions help separate the myth from the message.

Episodes

Paradigm Shift: From Fear and Apathy to Faith and Activism

July 20, 2025 • 39 mins
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss current events – As our stories grow more volatile and uncertain, a paradigm shift is more necessary than ever. Faith can be the catalyst for finding courage we never knew we had, while keeping ourselves sane and whole in the process.
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10 Steps for Resistance

April 19, 2025 • 38 mins
Debb and Deb return with a new passion for making the world a kinder, saner, and more spiritually empowered place. In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss ten ways you can use your faith as a powerful tool for political resistance.
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Reclaiming Anger

March 17, 2025 • 37 mins
Debb and Deb return with a new passion for making the world a kinder, saner, and more spiritually empowered place. In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss anger – its social context, consequences, and use in propelling people into into just action.
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Season 2: We’re Back!

March 1, 2025 • 33 mins
Debb and Deb return for a second season with a new look, a new sound, and a new passion for making the world a kinder, saner, and more spiritually empowered place. In this episode, Debb and Deb catch up on recent world events, their effects on us personally, and how all of us can convert … Continue reading Season 2: We’re Back!
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Episode 30: The Faith and Ecology Episode

September 18, 2024 • 39 mins
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss conservation, ecology, and the spiritual implications of our choices when protecting our planet’s environment.
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Episode 29: The Take Back the Faith Episode

August 15, 2024 • 37 mins
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss the not-so-modern concept of Christian Nationalism as well as the duty we have to reclaim our faith from those who would corrupt it for personal and political gain. Also, a primer on how to recognize and combat generational, cultural, and spiritual divisions manufactured specifically to weaken and demoralize.
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Episode 28: The Living Faith Episode

June 21, 2024 • 37 mins
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss the rituals and structures of faith, those tools we use to express and support the real work of living a life of faith and spirituality.
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ENCORE: The Noah Episode

April 22, 2024 • 49 mins
In this episode, Debb and Deb grab their umbrellas, gather together the pets, and head off for a voyage with Noah and the gang. From archeological geekery to an honest look at the power of forgiveness, get ready for a stormy ride!
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Episode 27: The Square One Episode

March 20, 2024 • 39 mins
In this episode, Debb and Deb discuss the tools needed for having difficult conversations with people from opposing viewpoints. From Square One. which is mutual respect, all the way through understanding and accepting that the only solution may be agreeing there is no easy solution, this episode digs deep into the core of conflict resolution … Continue reading Episode 27: The Square One E...
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Episode 26: The Pet Peeves Episode

February 19, 2024 • 38 mins
In this episode, Debb and Deb talk pet peeves – those niggling little annoyances that drive them crazy about their faiths. From “Biblical” consumerism to “Can you make Johnnie love fall in love with me?” the Deb(b)s speak truth about faith-based foolishness.
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