The Rock Bottom Data Feed

The Rock Bottom Data Feed

Irreverent yet practical data-focused podcast that isn't a pile of technobabble and repetition of old advice. Our audience is EVERYBODY, because everybody is involved with data. Join us, because when you're here, you're at Rock Bottom.

Episodes

December 31, 2025 43 mins

Series Three of the Rock Bottom Data Feed has been an exploration of AI and data. It's a big subject. Sometimes we got talking with our guests and next thing you know we've gone long or ventured into a topic that's beyond the scope of the episode. Never ones to let good conversation go to waste, we've accumulated those bits here. If you haven't already listened to the episodes in this se...

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It is our pleasure to welcome to Rock Bottom, Tony Shaw, Founder and CEO of DATAVERSITY, the premiere resource for data education, whether delivered live, recorded, virtual, or in person. It is clear that data is becoming increasingly important for AI success, and in many ways, corporate success. But while data education is also becoming increasingly important, it is still undervalued by...

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November 10, 2025 35 mins

Nearly a hundred thousand corporate employees have been terminated in mass layoffs this year. Most just in the past few months. And ostensibly because of AI.

We're not convinced.

Our scheduled guest was unexpectedly unavailable (and in case you're worried, we can confirm that he was not replaced by AI), so in this episode, John and Mark discuss these recent events and some of wha...

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In our first series, Doug Laney introduced us to Datanomics. He is also the author of Data Juice. In this episode he returns to Rock Bottom to go into more detail about the approaches and metrics companies can use to truly treat data as an asset.

To do that, we need to introduce data into the C-Suite. Most companies approach Data Governance through the CIO or CDO, and that has been mo...

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September 16, 2025 51 mins

The Rock Bottom Data Feed gang is back for another series, and for much of this series we will be focused on AI. Just like the internet and Six Sigma, we think it's here to stay. So, what are its ramifications for the data area? How can we make AI work for us, not against us? How can we get something useful from it?

In this episode we welcome Kelle O'Neal and Gregg Loos from First San...

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September 2, 2025 19 mins

Welcome back for this, the third series of the Rock Bottom Data Feed. Previously, John and Mark did a four-part radio play following Nick Guy, Data Detective, as he investigated the death of Consolidated International and the role that Jen AI may have played in its demise. The reception from our listeners was very enthusiastic, so in this special episode we present the full, uninterrupte...

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July 15, 2025 40 mins

In this very special twentieth episode of the Rock Bottom Data Feed, John Ladley and Mark Cooper welcome John Ladley and Mark Cooper to the show. Two blokes chatting at the kitchen table about data as anthropology and AI. Isn't that what everybody talks about at the kitchen table? You'll also hear your hosts answering the two questions asked of every Rock Bottom Data Feed guest and playi...

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We are excited to welcome Nicola Askham to Rock Bottom. She is an award-winning Data Governance expert, coach, consultant, and trainer. Her website has a wealth of useful information, including a list of the 10 biggest mistakes companies make when implementing data governance. How many look familiar to you? In this episode, Nicola shares best practices and stories from the front lines of...

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Principles and policies live at the intersection of Data Governance and Data Ethics. It's a place many companies could use some help. Providing that help in this episode of the Rock Bottom Data Feed is Malcolm Chisholm, President of Data Millennium, and author of Successful and Sustainable Data Policies. He introduces us to the Data Policy Lifecycle, required not only for Data Policies (...

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June 3, 2025 31 mins

In this episode, we return to the subject of Data Ethics. The title may have given it away. We are pleased to welcome to Rock Bottom Katrina Ingram, Founder and CEO of Ethically Aligned AI, and author of the Dataversity column Ask a Data Ethicist. We met Katrina at DGIQ in Washington, DC. She joins us here to share practical advice about making AI responsible, safe, and ethical.

We al...

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This week we introduce Nick Guy, Data Detective. A knock at the door. A new client. And a mystery that will take us through the next several episodes. Maybe Nick wishes he had grabbed dinner earlier. Or maybe not. Joining John and Mark is Irene Dirks, one of the passers-by that sat down and actually talked with us at DGIQ. She has some very creative and engaging ideas for using Lego sets...

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Will Todd Corporate and Senator Ostik come to blows or will they find common ground? Find out as the Secretary of Data confirmation hearing wraps up. This episode also concludes our three-part Data Governance arc. John and Mark welcome Bob Seiner, speaker, advisor, and prolific writer on the topic of Data Governance, including the recently published book Non-Invasive Data Governance Unle...

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A recent CDO Magazine article begins, "Data governance, as it is currently practiced, is failing. Despite being positioned as essential for data quality, regulatory compliance, and strategic decision-making, data governance often falls short." In this episode we continue our exploration of how and why Data Governance isn't working out so well for most companies. We'll also check in on To...

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Would anybody disagree that Data Governance isn't working out the way we had all hoped? Yes, we've seen successes, but for the most part it's been like trying to throw an angel food cake under water. As long as you're pushing there's movement. As soon as you stop everything falls away. This episode is the first in a three part series that takes a hard look at Data Governance. We are hono...

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March 18, 2025 31 mins

Recently, John and Mark brought the Rock Bottom Data Feed to the Data Governance & Information Quality (DGIQ) conference in Washington, DC. We let out our nets to see what we could catch, so to speak. Well, the nets came back full. So many great conversations, observations, and insights. Some folks sat down and chatted for a long time. We'll be hearing from a couple of them in upcomi...

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Sometimes when recording interviews we ended up with more material than we could use. Certainly not because it wasn't interesting, but rather because we chatted longer than was practical to include or because we veered into topics beyond the scope of the particular episode. Never ones to waste anything, we have accumulated those interesting bits into an episode all their own. Perhaps hea...

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December 17, 2024 30 mins

Data is a new type of business asset from a legal perspective. The traditional legal methodologies don't fit. You have confidentiality obligations, licensing and usage considerations, and data quality requirements, especially when it comes to AI. A legal strategy for data needs to be top of mind for leadership. Before it's too late. In this episode we talk with William Tanenbaum, a pione...

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December 3, 2024 30 mins

When you look in the dictionary between "hard place" and "rock" you will find "analytics management." Data Consumers demand high-quality data. Data Producers say it's good enough to run the business so it's good enough for you. Management wants peace and quiet. When everything is running smoothly you're invisible. When it's not...

Our guest is Deep Sogani, Vice President and Chief of E...

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November 19, 2024 31 mins

Everyone says that data has value, but what does that mean? How do you measure that value? This week we talk a little less about people and a little more about business and monetization. Our guest is Doug Laney, author of the bestselling book, Infonomics.

Chapters

00:00 – Open & Introduction; 03:10 – Monologue; 06:03 – Doug Laney; 26:02 – Dispatches from Rock Bottom; 28:08 ...

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November 5, 2024 30 mins

According to some research, about half of large organizations are“Data Driven,” meaning they are "driving business innovation with data." According to other research, that number is about half of that. But wait, isn’t that what data is for in the first place? Not good enough! So in this episode, we call BS on Data Driven.

Our guest is Randy Bean, bestselling author of Fail Fast, Learn...

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