May 8, 2024 • 51 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, feelings are hurt over the Tom Brady Roast. The Pros tear into Austin Rivers for claiming more NBA players could play in the NFL than vice versa. The Old P, Petros Papadakis says NBA players would get “broke off” in the NFL and it’s elimination nation in LA.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It is the best of two pros and Lamar Er
Rady Win and Jonas knots on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Gotta be honest with you, if it's not the t Wolves,
it's just not as much fun watching some of these games. Really, yeah.
I mean the good teams like Boston's a good team,
Oklahoma City is a good team. But there's something about
those Wolves. You know you just want to howl. How
it's not as fun. I mean, Jamal Jamal Murray getting
(00:37):
fined one hundred grand because he's throwing heat packs on
the on the court.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You know, did you guys agree with that?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I was just gonna say, was that too much or
just about right?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I'm surprised that he wasn't suspended. I was too, but
I'm glad that he wasn't.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Do you guys remember the old school heat packs that
you would like it would be down into like a
thing of ones where like you'd bring out with tongs
and you put in like this little soft thing that
would fold over top and that's the heat pack. You
don't remember that they don't still have those. I don't
think so. I think they. I think they've got like
better things.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
You imagine them using tongs on the sidelines.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Heat then, Was that all you had the entirety of
your career? Yes, wow, I'm pretty sure by the end
of it, they had like other heat stuff. Now they
got like lasers. They'll be like shooting a laser into
your less. I had the hand held ones. You remember
the hand held ones. You had probably like the Austin
Powers ones though, you.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Know, bro, I had everything you could imagine in my house,
Sir laz Or. I had heat tub, cold tub, plunge tub.
I had that heat thing that you say.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
You don't strike me as the type that love the
cold tub.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Though, oh wow, because I'm black.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Damn, we don't, right? Cold?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Is that what it is? What what you mean?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Thank you for the time you hate being cold and
for what it's worth.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
You're right, I don't.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
You're a fool man. For what is worth? I did
not like cold, but I did it. I did it.
I definitely did it for vitality. I tried to extend
my career by doing doing the little things at home.
But I don't do that. Ask now, I'll tell you
that I don't go on a cold tub now. I
touched when I last time I was at Penn State
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when I was doing the show from there.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I did use it. I did, but I.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Contrasted, so I was in the hot. I can only
get in cold if I go like, if I run
in from hot. That's the only way I can do it.
I can't just do a cold tub.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I can't just do a plunge.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Yeah, it feels like pins and needles, but you're so hot,
it's like.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
It kind of feels good. There you go.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
It is a weird contrast. Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well you listen. I mean, I don't know what sort
of pain you were dealing with, but you know, it
does appear that there were some hurt feelings from that
Tom Brady roast.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Really yeah, it was hurt by it.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I mean, Giselle was hurt, not happy with the way
her portrayed well, you know, just people making reference to
her taking jiu jitsu, you know, all of a sudden.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
I mean, she had to know that she was going.
You had to know. I would have thought they would
have did more.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
You know. You know what it is.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Brilliant about it, though, because what was alleged obviously and
what a lot of people had made the light of,
is that maybe she had some infidelity issues. And what
is quite possibly the greatest move now that we find
out that Netflix had paid Tom Brady was a thirty million.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Is that what you guys saw.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I didn't see what the number was.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I saw thirty million for that like singular one roast
one show switched. That's pretty sweet. Yeah, that's basically the
salary is getting paid almost from Fox for an entire
year for broadcasting a game, but thirty million for one
of those shows. But what makes it brilliant is he
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doesn't have to be the bad guy and saying everyone
else gets to be and it still ends up hurting
her if that's you know, some of the intent. And
I'm sure he doesn't want to hurt her to a degree,
but there's definitely some pain there. But he doesn't have
to be the bad guy in that case, it gets
to be everyone else.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, that's a good point. I mean I also saw,
you know, Bridget moynihan, his previous X made a comment.
Aaron Hernandez' ex made a comment, what'd she say? You know,
just it's a cruel world, something along those lines. I've
got to raise my dog and which, look, there are
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kids involved. That's the sad part.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
But you should figures out.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Well, yeah, I think when you see the true details
of what you know happened with Daddy, I mean it's roast,
you know, real life, real life roast, Like it's kind
of like, ah, maybe she should have steered clear of
that one.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Just you know, well, this is what I look at.
I go, this just shows that there's a lot of
people that don't remember or have never seen a roast before.
Because and I was surprised that it was actually a
real roast. I thought they were gonna, you know, softball it,
and it be PG And it took like a couple
of the comics to get up there, and I thought,
oh god, they're going it's open season on everything. So
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it's not like it was just well they're the only
ones who got everybody on stage, every comedian, every athlete,
everybody there caught astray, like some of them caught wrecked
fire like right to their eyes, and you just had
to wear it because it was a rose. So that
people getting upset about this, this is what these things are.
I don't know if anybody plans on doing it again.
(06:12):
I did you see that Netflix removes some of the
booze for Kim Kardashian, which is odd. They kept everything
else in, but you know, the booze were too much
for Kim Kardashian. There was booze, like the crowd booing.
They didn't do that.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
I get a sure you no, they didn't better not
of there were boastards.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
You can remove the booze, you don't take the other
stuff out. I just look at it. I go, I
wonder if anybody is more likely to sign up for
something like this after seeing that, or less likely knowing
everybody in my past and family members are not safe
if I go up there and put myself through that.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I mean, isn't that what a roast is?
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Like?
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Say, it's like a test of your you know, your gut,
it's a test of your nerve.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It's it's like a test. Can you still have fun?
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Do you believe you are as cool a dude as
you think you are a cooler person as you think
you are?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Like, can you keep your calm? Like? You know?
Speaker 6 (07:17):
It's I don't know, we're just so sensitive anymore. It's
just it's almost it's it's it's discouraging in some cases,
it's concerning in others as to how sensitive we are
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like there's some there, like, Okay, you can relate some
of this to real life experiences. I get that, you know,
mothers coming out and saying they were uncomfortable with it,
like at their expense.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I get that.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
I understand that, I really do, because they didn't sign
up for it, they didn't want to be a part
of it.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I get that. But outside of that, it's kind of.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Like, you know, just let it go, the riverside, riverside,
mother effort, riverside, turn it around, move it up, move
it down like trainers, trainers like, come on, man, too sensitive,
(08:22):
Like but I get it. I do get it in
some regards. But I mean, let's let's be real. You
are with a kung fu master now, and that's what
you did. And Aaron Hernandez he did it like you
know it ain't no, ain't no debating that one right there.
You know it ain't know if the glove doesn't fit,
you must have quit. Wasn't you know you could say
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you knew or whatever? This that and the other he
got found it. Look he was guilty, Like deal with it,
like you gotta deal with it. I'm sure the people
who had problems have to deal with hearing what they
heard from that roast, probably what close to a daily basis.
(09:05):
I mean, if we're being real, yeah yeah, you should
be calloused it back now. You should be okay with
it back now. And let's just be honest. It's just
say is what it is. Come on, let's move on.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Who do you think could repair their image doing a roast?
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Can't well, I don't know this like repairs or helps
or does anything for Tom Brady's image.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I was actually gonna ask this.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
There's been a lot of him lately, the roast and
just other stuff going on, and you're building into the
NFL season where you're gonna see a lot of them
then too, if he's broadcasting every single week, you'll see
him probably during the week too.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
People are gonna want to get his opinion or talk
about him.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Then.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I guess my thought is it too much?
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Like there comes a point in time where you know,
people love seeing this sort of thing, but it also
gets to the point where they all of a sudden
become pretty critical.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
It's like it's cool, you're everyone's favorite. It turns quick.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I mean, look at Tony Romo when his first season,
everyone loved his analysis and it started to turn after
that first season he started doing the commercials. He was
just out there everywhere because he was this big hit
for CBS, and then it turned and it's gotten to
the point now where the past couple of seasons, with
the past few seasons, people have been extremely critical and
(10:26):
you don't see him doing quite as many commercials. Still
see the sketchers and the uh uh Corona and some
of that every once in a while, but not as
much as he used to be. And I just wonder sometimes,
you know, is it too much where you're kind of
building someone up to then break them back down again
based on their you know, their job and the job
that he does as an analyst.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I just can't. I can't imagine during the season when
he's doing these games and he's going to be out
there as much as he was because to your point,
like there's the Noble campaigns, there's the barber shop where
he's you know, getting a cut and he's talking about
it. It seems like he's got a he's got some sort
of investment into a soccer team.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
There's that can't work out so well, by the way.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
No, there's f one, there's you know, I can't imagine
he gets back into crypto anytime soon. But who knows,
Like they're just there has been a lot of things
out there, and I don't know if he's just trying
to keep himself busy because he misses playing. But I
wonder at some point, you know, calling games once a
week for thirty seven and a half million dollars a year,
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that should be fine. I mean, you don't have to.
I mean that feels like your plate would be full
at that point, and you know he's got kids, all
the other things to go along with it. I just
I don't know why anybody wouldn't want to sign themselves
up for all of this at this point, which makes
me think that yeah, during the season, it'll it'll quiet
down a little bit, but maybe not.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Maybe.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I just think you gotta be strategic because he could
come off as an arrogant cornball if he's not careful.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Damn yep.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
No, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Like he's just got to be because right now, he's
he's kind of viewed as you know, he's he's a
heroic type of guy. He's like got this mystique about him.
He's he's got that like kind of feel to him,
and maybe that's what it's meant to be. Maybe it's
meant to to humanize him a little bit more and
and make him relatable to people. But I don't think
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that roast made him relatable. I just I think it
gave people the opportunity to laugh at him, which you know,
it kind of humanizes a person when just like, oh,
we you know, you can humiliate a guy like that,
and then you know he's he's there taking it, which,
by the way, I'm not certain all the way that him.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Getting up and telling him don't say that.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
That's again kind of is like, all right, he's in
control of this whole thing, though susan control.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
To that point.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Just to go back to initial conversation where feelings were hurt,
it was interesting that was where the line was crossed.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
It was with Robert Kraft, not just so, not bridget morenihan.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Or anything about Aaron Hernandez or even Kardashian, which why
was Kim Kardashian there?
Speaker 7 (13:10):
I have not.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Yeah, that's the other thing, like, what did she have
to do with all of this? No, Well, because they
were roomed at one point.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Where maybe those two were talking or you know, maybe
she was there for a reason, you know, for Tom
But I digress. Why was it? Robert Kraft was where
the line is drawn.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It's like some people have speculated that all well, he
was just leaning into it. They were playing trying to
do some sort of a mock up of what happened
with Will Smith and Chris Rock. And it's like, if
you look at Jeff Ross's reaction, that was not that
like he was not expecting that he had. He was
trying to get to the next thing. Tom Brady was
legitimately bothered by that one thing. And I don't know,
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man like, I don't know, maybe if he knows more
to that story. But I'm just saying it is a
little odd that of all the things you could make
jokes about, and Tom Brady made jokes about Hernandez. There
was all sorts of stuff that was made jokes about
and his owner going to the grab Lab a couple
of times before some playoff games. Is where that's enough.
(14:15):
We can't have any more conversation about this.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Other names do you have for besides the grab Lab?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I had like a list, I don't remember where it
went there there was something can you.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Give us the list, the grab lab.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I don't want to. I don't listen. I was I
was instructed not to go there.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I'll just put it there.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Was some people heard some a couple of the names,
and we're not happy the first time we did that,
So I'll just we'll leave it at that. But you know,
don't don't go there with Tom Brady. That's that's more
of the story, all right. He's not going to stand
for that. Everything else is fine, just not that one thing.
But you know, Drew Bledsoe, by the way, did say
that Check and Robert Kraft had like a nice heart
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to heart conversation while they were there, and that's cool
at all. But you can't tell me that when Belichick's
up there having to do a shot with Robert Kraft
and he's not thinking to himself, get me the hell
away from this weirdo.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Bill Belichick looked like he had just he had a
body somewhere. He looked like he had just off somebody,
finished the job and got there and here's this shot
and here like, let me drink it, like I might
kill you. I'm going home to go to bit. I
have a sandwich, a ballooney sandwich and some some crackers.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I gotta be honest.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
When Belichick was up there doing his piece or doing
his jokes, like once guy's laughed a little bit.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
He was like, oh they think I'm funny. All right,
I'm gonna say another one.
Speaker 7 (15:46):
Like yeah, so awkward.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I mean all the stuff that people had said about
him in regards to how he was as a coach,
and I think that the rically to put it the
most articulate was Brian Hoyer, and he talked about the
mental makeup of Belichick and how you know, in a hallway,
it was rumored at times and there's reports that you know,
(16:12):
one day Bill Belichick could walk by say hi, and
then the next day he would act like he didn't
even know you.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
He'd walk right past you, didn't say anything.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
And I thought Brian Hoyer described the best, saying that,
like this guy is so deep in his own thoughts
he doesn't even recognize or register someone's there, Like he's
in a different world.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
And it's like he's he just thought of something.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
He's going back to his office to to you know,
write it down, draw it up, watch film to look
at it, and he's so like caught up in his
own brain. He's like that beautiful mind that he can't
even register like another human being on the way, if
that makes sense. Yeah, And like watching that ros, it's like,
oh yeah, there's like a lot of beautiful mind there
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with Bill.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Belichick where it was just so awkward. Oh man, I'm sorry.
I just did something about it.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
See.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It made me love them, but it made me understand
them too, which was maybe part of it.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
I was just like, there's the body, there's a body,
there is a body.
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Speaker 2 (17:57):
So it is going to be a fun watch. Later
on tonight on TNT game two between the Knicks and
the Pacers, and I know the officiating was poor, but
I have a feeling the language is going to be
poor at MSG because Reggie Miller will be on the
call for TNT and he is expecting and hoping that
the Knicks fans let him have it for the rivalry
(18:19):
they had back in the day. So that's going to
be a fun watch. I can't remember the last time
the broadcaster has turned into one of the biggest storylines
going into a game. But that's going to be a
lot of fun, man, because MSG is going to be rocking.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Can I be honest?
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Though, As far as the fans that are there, I
think I was probably ten or eleven when that game occurred,
and I'm almost forty, So how many people who are
there are really going to remember that game and look
at Reggie Miller as a villain. I think most young people,
he's probably looking at him as a broadcaster or a
(18:55):
guy who's a Hall of Famer, But you know, they
don't probably recall that specific game or match, right.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, although match, I think that soccer talk.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I'm stuff to get out.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I think that they've done a pretty good job that
Nick's have because they're showing like John Starks is in attendance,
like they.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Don't know who John Stark is. That step was right
there when they don't know who he is.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Also say Marberry was after him and you should know him.
That's that's Jonas, though Jonas kind of lives world school
like that.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Look, I think you should appreciate who came before you,
and I agree they've done a good job of doing that, and.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
We all agree.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
But I think you're also blind to the fact that,
like most young people don't see it that way and
don't care.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well, then get your ass back on the subway and
go home and watch it. Give it to give the
tickets up to real fans who want to harken back.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
They would tell you, I am a real fan watching
my team in real life.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Bronson likedvanced antalytics to go along.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
With the.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Right, so you know, I dope.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
But I mean, these kids these days, they're just it's
just all about recency, like recent, Like if it's not recent.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
They don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I told you guys the other day, the other week
I was walking down the All American Hall and stay
called at the Penn State Football office at the building,
and one of the players was walking down the hall
and he was looking at the pictures and I was like,
how many of them dudes you know up there? And
then he had he backed up. He backed all the
way up to where Sakuon and Micah were and he
(20:31):
was like, yeah, I know these guys right here. I
was like, dang. I was like, you don't know the wall.
He's like, A not really. I was like, you should
know the wall. I said, you might be walking down
the hall one day and end up bumping into one
of them dudes that's just on the wall. I said,
you know, know your history. I said, aren't you trying
to get on this wall? He said absolutely, I'm trying
to get on the wall. I said, well, don't you
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want people to respect the fact that you're on the
wall once you get on it.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, they just don't pay attention, you know, the attention
is they're to it.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
So I think it's in part because like there's no
appreciation for history. You know, history tends to have ways
of repeating itself, and for a lot of older generations,
you know, they understand history.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
They've read about history.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
They see the cycles of things that recycle over and
over and over again, and that's a problem. Like it's
a problem for you know, my kids and trying to
like teach them about our heritage and different things that
should matter to them so they understand that the meaning
behind them. Like, I mean, look, there's a lot of crazy,
you know, things going on right now in today's world.
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But I just feel like there's an overall lack of
appreciation for history and an understanding for it and really
like what it means. Because eventually, like you're like, oh,
well that isn't apply now it's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Life's so different. No, it still does.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Like there's still many things that you can apply maybe
not directly but indirectly to like what's taking place today,
or if you're an athlete, how you're trying to get
to a certain spot the same way another guy, you know,
how to had to work and train to get to
the spot that he was at.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I think I'm gonna do when my kid gets old enough,
just buy him a pager. Figure it out, buddy. I
have to tell you, you're not getting a phone. Figure
it out. You got to learn how we had to
live back in the day where if you wanted to
get in touch with somebody, you got to just send
him your number and then you got to find a
phone and then call them. Might just do that make good?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Way? So he's got to use a payphone.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, some sort of figured it out.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
I was gonna say that actually would have been the
better deal is don't give him anything, make you go
find a pay.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
I would love it.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
There's got to be a website where they have payphones listed.
I'm not talking about those on the highway, those yellow
boxes that you can do. Yeah, like a real old
school payphone. Yeah, they them all out, There's got to
be a few left. There's still gotta be some relics
out there, by the way, did you guys hear? And
I wanted to get your your thoughts on this because
(22:53):
I know some people got really bat out of shape.
I know Chris Long was one of those people that
got really beat out of shape. A lot of people
got hot on social media because Austin Rivers was on
the Pat McAfee show starring AJ Hawk.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
And there are some people who's fired some shots at Austin.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, and he had this to say when comparing the
NFL to the NBA.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
We got to get you outside of that football lague, man,
where the guaranteed contracts are, where the best athletes in
the world are.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
That's us. I can take thirty players right now in
the NBA and throw them in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
You cannot take thirty NFL players to put him in
the NBA.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Whoa five on the court. Let's just you get a
break every play. I got to just catch the ball
and run north or south.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It ain't com I mean, I'm with him. I mean
I'm gonna side with the NBA here.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
I'll say this, like he's not entirely wrong, Like there's
probably some guys who could play tight end wide receiver dB,
but like here, here's the here's honestly why I think
a guy like Austin Rivers feels this way.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
This is this is what the league's done.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
They've made this sport, all right, They've made this sport
soft to the point where like NBA players think that
they could go in there and deal with that. Like
that's the truth is, like I would bet back in
the day, and LeVar, I'm not trying to like make
you look like you played that much, you know, further
ahead of me.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
But even when I got in the league from when
you were in the league, like there was.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Changes in all of that, but like they don't allow
hits like LeVar used to do back in the day.
And I'll promise you this, if NBA players are still
watching that, they would probably have a different opinion. And then, look,
maybe I'm wrong because back then when Leavar was playing,
the NBA was playing a different style of game, Like
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these young cats now wouldn't last in the league because
they'd be getting knocked around by guys like Charles Oakley.
So I think it's honestly the fact that the NFL
game has gotten to a point where dudes really think,
like because the NBA games skill now, like it's not
as physical as it used to be. And there's a
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bunch of reasons we can get into and why that is.
But there's elements of that too, with a spread out
as it is in the NFL and the way the
rules are created now where you get less physicality, and
so you get guys who don't know what that physicality
is like thinking they can walk into another league because
they're a good athlete, so I'm not questioning as far
as the athleticism, there's no doubt. Well, my question would
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be the toughest. There's no load management. When you take
those hits. You got to take those hits. Like how
many of those guys getting Like someone said the other day,
we were talking about this.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Like, well, you know NBA players, they don't really pads
and stuff. I go, yeah, I was like, there's a
reason for that.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
You know, if you want to compare this to driving
on the highway, right, all the games they played and
the minutes they play, that's great, but it's not the same.
You know, you'd be like, you know, you're talking about
playing in the NFL where you're taking constant car crashes
versus sitting in a gridlocked highway for four.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Hours, and it's it's just in Apple's do'or just comparison.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
So they've got great athletes, but yeah, the physicality to
me is why I think we even have someone say
something like this or lack of h.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
I just think it's it's interesting because most dope football
players while in high school get recruited. The recruiters come
to see them play two sports outside of football. It's
basketball and track. Yep, they'll come recruit you based off
of how you play basketball and how you perform in track,
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whether it be shot putt discus the one hundred meters,
the two hundred meters, whatever that is. They're basing their
thought process off of that. So for him to say that,
I thought it was more of an ignorant comment. It
was it was just like it was cap like. It
wasn't like it wasn't. I don't even know that he
believed that. I really he was right about guaranteed contracts
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and stuff like that, like one hundred get get with
him on that. They have a whole lot more freedom.
There's a whole lot more flexibility in basketball. You do
have to play offense and defense in basketball, so you
have to translate different skills. But I'll say this me
being a basketball player, because I was a basketball player
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first and my trajectory was in basketball. You you f
around and find out when you like, there's dudes that
play football that are basketball players. So in that sense,
when you're saying, uh, a basketball a football player wouldn't
be able to play basketball, you're it's it's it's not
true because you're playing football and nobody knows you as
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a basketball player, but you probably there's probably a ton
and I mean a ton of guys that are playing
playing football that were very very gifted playing basketball and
could be like a They could be in a rotation,
they could be in the rotation of somebody's team in
the NBA, make no mistake about it. And maybe not,
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you know, maybe not a superstar, but maybe so. You
just you just never know. I think the best athletes, honestly,
I think the best athletes play football.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I really do.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
I've seen three hundred plus pound dudes do splits, backflips, tumble,
all kinds of different things that you would not believe
they're capable of doing. It's like the grizzly bear versus
you know, a cheetah or something like that. Right, Like,
like I could see that that cheetah is fast, but
you ain't realize that that grizzly bear can run fast
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as hell too. They get up to thirty miles per
hour when they run. You see that beer walking down
the street. I always say, you see that beer walking
down the street. You see that tiger walking down the street,
that lion walking down the street. He looks so docile,
he looks like Oh, look at that fat ass beer
walking down the street like da da da. All Right,
mess around and find out. Like, that's what I would
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say to that statement that basketball players could go in. Yeah, sure,
put a put a basketball player out wide receiver, because
even if I'm saying put put a green and a
basketball player that's never played football on a football field
to play tight end, they're not making it. They're not
making it in there, they're not making it. Unless you
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split him out, they're not making it. So unless you're
talking about putting a basketball player at receiver, that's really
the only position that I could honestly say you could justify. Yep,
he could transition from being that to this. Like they
were talking about the kid that played for NC State
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this year, the big thick dude that's like three hundred
pounds and he's like sixty seven to sixt eight or
whatever it is, and they're like, if it doesn't work
out for him in basketball, like send him on over
to football. It would take a really long time for
that young man to acclimate and understand what it would
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need to be for him to be a tackle in
the National Football League. It would take a ton of
time and a tremendous learning curve, and not to mention,
he would have to figure out how to handle the
physicality of what takes place in football. It's just not
as simple as, oh, they're great athletes. They can run,
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jump and dunk and shoot three pointers and dribble through
their legs and their footwork and all this other stuff.
It's a very different approach, a very different way of
how things work in football. So while I'm not going
to diminish how athletic you have to be playing basketball
and how athletic that game and that sport is and
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how diverse it is and the things you have to do,
football is equally diverse, even by position by position. Like
we're not just talking like running up and down a
court and running and all that. And like he said,
you run, you stop, you try to run the ball.
Like there's people dumbed down what football is. But it
is a very complex. It's a very intricate, very intricate game.
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And that's why that's why you'll never hear anybody militarily
refer to basketball. And in the military, you know what
military refers to football. You know what football refers to
the military, because it's much more grueling. It's a much
more sophisticated approach to what's taking place than than pretty
much any other sport.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well, I couldn't do either, So you juice heads can
argue about that all you want. Yeah, listen, I just
stand on the outside looking at everything.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Three suns.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Y'all saw my boy Chop drinking his Caprice how he
was waiting to get draft?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Now is one anywhere?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Does he pop the straw on the top or just
go bottom pouch? Because sometimes it's easier just to pop
the Caprice Sun straw on the bottom of the pouch
as supposed to trying to line it up in that
hole in the top. You know what I mean, Just
squeeze it, Do one little squeeze and then you're good. Also,
cherry is the best Caprice Sun flavor in my mind.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I like the citrus one. Yeah, Citrus is my favorite.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
There there's no way those things are good for you.
There's just no possible way. I mean, you could believe
those in a box in a bomb shelter for thirty
years and then open them back up and they taste
exactly the same. Just doesn't feel like it would be good. Lee,
which is your Caprice sun flavor of choice. You had
to go with one tropical punch. Okay, oh wow, all
over the board here. Yeah. I think sometimes they call
(32:31):
it tropical tide. It's been a long time, yeah, long time. Yeah, Well,
I get yourself a Caprice son because apparently has he
got a sponsorship?
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I mean you should get one after that, Yeah, he
should get one.
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Speaker 5 (33:10):
Hello, good morning, hell Hello the old p hi Old P.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Petros. Your thoughts on Austin Rivers making the comparison between
NBA and NFL players and saying that he could find
thirty NBA players to play in the NFL. Right now,
how does that?
Speaker 7 (33:25):
Ny guys to get broke the f off?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Dropped the mic.
Speaker 9 (33:38):
It's I am a look, where should we start? Is
there even one guy in the NBA who could be
quote unquote thrown into the NFL? And anybody who suggests
Lebron Lebron doesn't want to get hit and his football
window closed at.
Speaker 7 (33:57):
Twenty nine to thirty.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
I mean, Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates and Julius Peppers
were football players first, and they moonlighted in basketball, and
they were like Claude Hoppers on the basketball court, and
they were great football players and graceful and ballet like.
Jimmy Graham was a college basketball player who played his
first organized football I think as a fiftyear senior in college,
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and he tried football because he was only scoring five
points per game in the NBA or you know, in
the college. He wasn't he had no NBA future. So
where are these thirty guys? Which guy is one of
your thirty guys, Austin?
Speaker 7 (34:39):
Who could do it? Who's gonna put their.
Speaker 9 (34:41):
Hand in the ground and put a helmet on and
get bunked around? Listen, basketball players are amazing athletes. The
NBA players are probably the best athletes top to bottom.
In the world. And I never thought this growing up.
I grew up thinking Michael Jordan's the greatest player of
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all time and all that. But until you get onto
an NBA court and watch NBA players like really up close,
you really get an idea for A, it's a very
physical game compared to what you thought if you're right
down there in the way they even during the regular season.
And b there's no fat on these guys, like there's
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nothing to their bodies.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
You know. If an NBA player has.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
A gut, it's news like James Harden right. I mean,
they go up and down the court, up and down,
up and down, and they also go up and down,
up and down like pogo sticks. It's not the first
jump a lot a lot of the time that's impressive.
It's the second jump or the third. And I was
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really impressed by it. And I was really also impressed
by their ability to fight through fatigue, right, just just
to go up and just burn it all out like
a hockey shift kind of thing. But toughness as far
as being physically bludgeoned, no, no, they'd all be broken.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
They don't have the sand in their ass.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
So so Austin Reeves, like, like, and he was a
tough Austin Rivers or Austin Reeves. That proves the point
the Austin Reeves would get broke. Austin Rivers was a
tough guy when he played, right, Remember he got hit
in the face and he was bleeding at the end
of that playoff game or whatever. He's a tough guy.
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He was a great basketball player in high school and college. Right,
it's not fair to compare him to Brownie James or
anything like that. He was he was quite literally an
All American legitimately. But this is I mean, these guys
say this stuff, so everybody's got to react to it,
and I feel so stupid because you know, you fall
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right into the trap of reaction. But you guys asked
me about it, so you know, where's the thirty guys where?
Speaker 7 (37:02):
Where's where? Who do we got? Who's number one?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Right?
Speaker 7 (37:05):
Who's number one to get broke off?
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Because so to that point, though, like like when I
hear a player like that say that, and especially a
guy's a little younger.
Speaker 9 (37:16):
We had those guys at USC on the basketball team,
sure like sure like ten games under five.
Speaker 7 (37:21):
Hundred and be like, oh, we could do what y'all do.
Speaker 9 (37:22):
It's like, okay, come on out then, right, come and
do our forty play run drail a hole?
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Does some of them have to do with the fact
that they look at the NFL now and they don't
see the vicious types of hits in plays that it
used to be.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
Like, I suppose they don't see them. They don't see the.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
Dues being paid physically in their most extreme way, right,
but those dues are still paid. You just don't. You know,
we don't have the you got aft up you know
and all that. But you're right, Brady, I mean, you
know and and and I'll take it from you because
of your linebacker and tied end neck.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Roll days in high school. Thank you bye.
Speaker 9 (38:01):
I mean what, the rules we used to play under
are not the rules we play under now. And obviously
you guys speak to that better than I can, But
we don't play under those rules.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
I get that.
Speaker 9 (38:14):
But you're still not getting off the line of scrimmage.
You know, mister six foot seven is not getting off
the line of scrimmage at all ever. And you know,
part of the the whole physical playing in the box
and outside the box and all that stuff we've talked
about this before, but there's a reason that wide receivers
and dbs talk to each other the way they do that.
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They because they don't pay their dues the same way.
And when I say dbs, I mean corners and nickel
corners and guys like that, you know, not your Troy Polamalu,
Steve Atwater types. But they can talk like that and
act like a holes like that and taunt each other
like that, even more so now because as the rules
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have changed so dramatically inside the box, everybody knows they're
gonna get got and talking like that is not helpful
to me at least. So there are different nuances of
how you get beat up as a football player as well.
And all these guys think they're going to play out
on the edge. And anyway, if it was up to me,
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I'd get rid of all the wide receivers. I just
go like Jim Harbaugh and play with four tight ends.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Makes a ton of sense.
Speaker 9 (39:33):
I'd make an extra tight end one of the old linemen,
and then three other tight ends. One of them is
like a full back type.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
So that's it. Abolish the position.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
Somebody also threw up football players and basketball players wouldn't
be able to play baseball, and that baseball not to me,
I would say, that's more so more relevant. You're not
going to just throw somebody on a pitcher's mound, or
you're not going to just go up and hit hit
a fastball. That's a ninety mile prowd fastball.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
That's a hand eye thing.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Right.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
We all think about Michael Jordan and that image of
him striking out looking all long and gangly and goofy
on a baseball field, you know, and that was it
was heartbreaking for us. I mean when you were a kid.
Speaker 9 (40:16):
And it's not like, I mean I loved Michael Jordan,
but I am not from Chicago or anything like that.
I was just another front runner like every other American
white kid or whatever in suburbia. And Michael Jordan never missed.
I mean he never lost. He never, I mean he did.
He lost those series before he started winning the finals.
The one he beat the Lakers in the early nineties
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was how it started. But like, it was really humiliating
to see Michael Jordan try to do something else and
fail so miserably. I mean, it was an innocence lost
moment for a lot of America's youth when he was
out there striking out like ooh, you know, but baseball
is a double sided cutlass as well, right, because in
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baseball you have to be separated hand eye coordination wise
pretty early, and then you have to develop whatever kind
of power if you're a hitter. And there's some stories
out there like Evan Longoria and guys like that.
Speaker 7 (41:15):
They're few and far between.
Speaker 9 (41:16):
But you know, guys that were not big prospects JC
route minor leagues and then suddenly they become pretty special.
But baseball players, I think they get identified pretty young
and it's.
Speaker 7 (41:29):
A really difficult road.
Speaker 9 (41:32):
And what's funny to me is, you know where I live,
it's a relatively affluent area, and it's a bunch of
just guys that have kids that are just really average
looking white kids, and adding get you though, but they do.
But the fact that every one of these dads because
the kid can't pass the eyeball test as a football
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or basketball player. And that is the difference with football
and basketball. If you are at the elite sixteen year
old football player and you walk in to the room
looking like Edward Grimley or something, people are not going
to believe you're a football player baseball. You could look
like a dork and be a great baseball player or
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not physically imposing. You know, Mookie Betts is not a
big guy. Trey Turner is not a big guy.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Who some of these ask them and not even know
who they are. Some of them.
Speaker 9 (42:23):
Yeah, you know, I mean Pedroia, you know these guys
that come to mind, David Eckstein, you know, overachiever guys.
All of these stupid ass rich dads think that their
son is that one guy, and the truth is he's not.
There's some dude in the Dominican with a milk carton
for a glove. That's that guy. But you know, buy
your son a fifteen hundred dollars bat, you know, play
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three hundred days a year, spend all your weekends in
Lancaster and Bakersfield and just die on the vine. And
by the time your kid's twelve and he gets the
first cent of a female attraction, he's going to throw
the bat into the pool. You know, he's going to
throw his two thousand dollars compat posit bat jacuzzi.
Speaker 7 (43:12):
You know I know that.
Speaker 9 (43:16):
Yeah, oh god. The whole youth sports thing is amazing
because most of it even at the AAU level where
guys are competing for scholarships, is a scam made to
fleece the parents and and ruin everybody's weekend and have
people not learn to be children. And my message is this,
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just because you can play all year does not mean
you should, right, you know, I mean baseball that the
one great thing about football. And in a perfect world,
I'm quite aware even if the rules have changed that
in a perfect world, football would not exist. But the
one great thing about football at least is at the
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end of the season, they take our pads and we
don't go play all year long. We can't. You know,
you never play football again. When you're done playing football.
You don't hire a ref and a chain gang and
go to camp for two weeks and buy uniforms and
rent out communication equipment for the for the booth and
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the side. I mean, you just don't do it. And
these other sports are are different, and I think people
become more delusional the more they play.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Hey, Petros, who's in a worse spot. The Lakers are
the Clippers right now?
Speaker 7 (44:33):
Can I punt? We are elimination nation here?
Speaker 9 (44:39):
And he's gonna say, I mean the Clippers are out
because the Charles barklay line was great. You know, I've
been rich, I've been poor, I've been fat, I've been skinny.
The Clippers have always sucked. He's right, you know, and
I kind of like the Clippers over the years. But
he's right, and I really just like the Clippers more
(45:00):
because I despise the Lakers. But that doesn't mean I
like the Clippers anyway. They're both done. I mean, the
Lakers are being run shadow run by Lebron. He's laying
low because he just fired his sixth coach in his
NBA career. I believe his was that.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Just I mean, you follow the Lakers, probably even close
to than we do. I mean, was that one?
Speaker 7 (45:22):
No? No? I mean, well why was he hired in the
first place.
Speaker 9 (45:26):
I mean, look, I can't I'm not Nick right, the
squidward nos guy on TV who talks about this like constantly.
But isn't it pretty clear to everybody that it's not
that cool to be around Lebron? He gets you fired,
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and if you have success, it's because he's great, and
if you don't, it's your fault. I mean, players, coaches,
who wants to be around that, you know, and JJ Reddick,
perhaps the most condescending dogmatic person in the history of television,
is going to somehow come to the Lakers and talk
down to these guys and never have coached before. I mean,
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and do a podcast with Lebron talking about wine. I mean,
you know, I mean, I guess financially it helps them
just to sell the whole thing to Lebron and not
have to run your franchise for as long as Clutch
Sports is sitting in the chair there. But it certainly
is an ugly look from the outside, even with all
the Lebron minions in the media running around and.
Speaker 7 (46:31):
Trying to help him. He just fired a coach, so
he's not going to do anything for attention for another
five or six days.
Speaker 9 (46:38):
But his head will pop up again, and you know
he'll be doing some wine tasting or something about for attention,
like he always does.
Speaker 7 (46:48):
The Clippers have a new stadium opening up in Englewood.
Speaker 9 (46:50):
Yeah, with a bunch of toilets American standard stadiums and
or arena. Excuse me, the King's just got a swept
or blown out of the playoffs by the Edmonton Oilers,
so they're all drunk running around the South Bay right now, Are.
Speaker 7 (47:10):
They at that bar.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Manhattan Beaches manhatt Beach one right?
Speaker 9 (47:15):
No, it's the bar, oh the Strand please uh, the
bar that the hockey guys hang out with is a
it's a dive bar, and it's on It's in her Mosa,
right on the border of Hermosa and Manhattan Party. When
I was a kid, it used to be called Critters,
but now it's called North End.
Speaker 7 (47:32):
It is in the north end of.
Speaker 9 (47:34):
Hermosa and it's really close to the old nine O
two one oh house on the beach where the girls
lived when they were in college.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
If you remember that.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
It's a sweet spot pe you should do a remote
from there.
Speaker 7 (47:45):
You and Matt at Critters at.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
North End or Critters whatever.
Speaker 9 (47:48):
Yeah, I mean it's a dive bar. It's it's not
offensive like the Strand House, which is offensive.
Speaker 7 (47:56):
Called douchebags. Levarang, Am I a d bag? No? Oh,
you're a You're an anomaly from out of town.
Speaker 9 (48:02):
Okay, you know you show up and it's like there's
LeVar Arrington wants to play pickleball with us.
Speaker 6 (48:07):
No, I don't do That would make me a d
bag if I did pickleball.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
I don't play pickleball.
Speaker 9 (48:13):
Send send some of the octopus tempo over to Levar's table.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
That's really good. They got some really good food there.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
Pe.
Speaker 7 (48:24):
I know, I don't go to Manhattan Beach anymore, LeVar.
You know why why? Because I'm from here.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I get I get it. I was just that deal.
Speaker 7 (48:31):
I understand.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
Does that get tough living?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Uncle?
Speaker 9 (48:36):
Uncle Bill's has a as an old Papadaka's tavern a
plate on the wall from my dad's old restaurant, Nice.
Speaker 7 (48:44):
Greek?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Is that the one O J autographed?
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (48:47):
Wow, Well we didn't collect OJ's autographs.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Okay, okay, some of his exes that's fair.
Speaker 7 (48:59):
Uh p, Why do don't they go to the bathroom
twenty times during dinner? Shut up?
Speaker 3 (49:05):
I had to get a little bump.
Speaker 7 (49:06):
What's he doing in the bathroom with Jim Lampley? Shut
them all?
Speaker 3 (49:11):
I get a little bump A bump.
Speaker 7 (49:16):
Well, I just want to do a gummer what listen? Pee?
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Uh? The Dodgers are back.
Speaker 7 (49:23):
They're rolling.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yes, everybody's excited, and they just had Star Wars night,
and intentionally, as you laid out on the radio, did
it on a Monday, Because why spoil a Star Wars
night when there's an actual good team in town. Yeah
they had it Saturday, right, Yeah, well they had it,
didn't They have it?
Speaker 7 (49:42):
Sunday?
Speaker 9 (49:42):
May the fifth was single to Miles, So they had
the Braves in town. Big series weekend, everybody's there. So
they did Star Wars Night on Monday night because the
Mars and the Fish came into town.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, Brady's Marlin.
Speaker 7 (49:56):
But some are saying that that's, you know, the revenge
of the sixth.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Hits on the very first pitch a home run.
Speaker 7 (50:03):
What's that game.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Was against Buller's Dodgers.
Speaker 9 (50:08):
Walker Bueller's back and Otani is the best hitter in
the world. But I will say this without being sarcastic
and annoying like normal, the Dodgers are always this way.
They're always front running and seven thousand games ahead, and
it's been this way. They get to the playoffs and
lose in the first round. Very frustrated. But the year
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is like a huge like giant Boner Parade the entire season.
But this is an extra extra priapism this year because
of the first three guys in the lineup that that is.
I gotta admit watching the games living here, that is
fun to watch when you have Bets come up, and
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then Otani and then Freeman and then the rest of
the guys are pretty good too, Will Smith and guys
like that. Uh, pretty darn impressive to watch that in
the night out.
Speaker 7 (51:03):
I'll say that.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Well, you're pretty impressive, Pee at the old p on Twitter.
Speaker 7 (51:08):
Because it's early, you guys are easily impressed.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Now listen, how was.
Speaker 6 (51:12):
That Kentucky Derby. I didn't say it, though, Pee, I
I wasn't agreeing with Jonas. I was just listening. Appreciate you,
but you are my guy though. How was that Kentucky Derby?
Speaker 9 (51:21):
Guy got bumped for last week and he was a
real stiff.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yeah, Lee, it was Art Rooney's grandson.
Speaker 7 (51:30):
Well, what's who's coming on next week? I don't know
Rooney Borrow?
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, Pee, we appreciate it. Let's we'll do it again
next week. Wednesday is your day. We promise we won't
let Lee steer us away from that.
Speaker 7 (51:44):
Tell him to keep farting up a storm.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Yeah, there it is.
It is the best of two pros and Lamar Er
Rady Win and Jonas knots on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Gotta be honest with you, if it's not the t Wolves,
it's just not as much fun watching some of these games. Really, yeah.
I mean the good teams like Boston's a good team,
Oklahoma City is a good team. But there's something about
those Wolves. You know you just want to howl. How
it's not as fun. I mean, Jamal Jamal Murray getting
(00:37):
fined one hundred grand because he's throwing heat packs on
the on the court.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You know, did you guys agree with that?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I was just gonna say, was that too much or
just about right?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I'm surprised that he wasn't suspended. I was too, but
I'm glad that he wasn't.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Do you guys remember the old school heat packs that
you would like it would be down into like a
thing of ones where like you'd bring out with tongs
and you put in like this little soft thing that
would fold over top and that's the heat pack. You
don't remember that they don't still have those. I don't
think so. I think they. I think they've got like
better things.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
You imagine them using tongs on the sidelines.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Heat then, Was that all you had the entirety of
your career? Yes, wow, I'm pretty sure by the end
of it, they had like other heat stuff. Now they
got like lasers. They'll be like shooting a laser into
your less. I had the hand held ones. You remember
the hand held ones. You had probably like the Austin
Powers ones though, you.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Know, bro, I had everything you could imagine in my house,
Sir laz Or. I had heat tub, cold tub, plunge tub.
I had that heat thing that you say.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
You don't strike me as the type that love the
cold tub.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Though, oh wow, because I'm black.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Damn, we don't, right? Cold?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Is that what it is? What what you mean?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Thank you for the time you hate being cold and
for what it's worth.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
You're right, I don't.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
You're a fool man. For what is worth? I did
not like cold, but I did it. I did it.
I definitely did it for vitality. I tried to extend
my career by doing doing the little things at home.
But I don't do that. Ask now, I'll tell you
that I don't go on a cold tub now. I
touched when I last time I was at Penn State
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when I was doing the show from there.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I did use it. I did, but I.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
Contrasted, so I was in the hot. I can only
get in cold if I go like, if I run
in from hot. That's the only way I can do it.
I can't just do a cold tub.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I can't just do a plunge.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Yeah, it feels like pins and needles, but you're so hot,
it's like.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
It kind of feels good. There you go.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
It is a weird contrast. Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well you listen. I mean, I don't know what sort
of pain you were dealing with, but you know, it
does appear that there were some hurt feelings from that
Tom Brady roast.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Really yeah, it was hurt by it.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I mean, Giselle was hurt, not happy with the way
her portrayed well, you know, just people making reference to
her taking jiu jitsu, you know, all of a sudden.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
I mean, she had to know that she was going.
You had to know. I would have thought they would
have did more.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
You know. You know what it is.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Brilliant about it, though, because what was alleged obviously and
what a lot of people had made the light of,
is that maybe she had some infidelity issues. And what
is quite possibly the greatest move now that we find
out that Netflix had paid Tom Brady was a thirty million.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Is that what you guys saw.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I didn't see what the number was.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
I saw thirty million for that like singular one roast
one show switched. That's pretty sweet. Yeah, that's basically the
salary is getting paid almost from Fox for an entire
year for broadcasting a game, but thirty million for one
of those shows. But what makes it brilliant is he
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doesn't have to be the bad guy and saying everyone
else gets to be and it still ends up hurting
her if that's you know, some of the intent. And
I'm sure he doesn't want to hurt her to a degree,
but there's definitely some pain there. But he doesn't have
to be the bad guy in that case, it gets
to be everyone else.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, that's a good point. I mean I also saw,
you know, Bridget moynihan, his previous X made a comment.
Aaron Hernandez' ex made a comment, what'd she say? You know,
just it's a cruel world, something along those lines. I've
got to raise my dog and which, look, there are
(04:59):
kids involved. That's the sad part.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
But you should figures out.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Well, yeah, I think when you see the true details
of what you know happened with Daddy, I mean it's roast,
you know, real life, real life roast, Like it's kind
of like, ah, maybe she should have steered clear of
that one.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Just you know, well, this is what I look at.
I go, this just shows that there's a lot of
people that don't remember or have never seen a roast before.
Because and I was surprised that it was actually a
real roast. I thought they were gonna, you know, softball it,
and it be PG And it took like a couple
of the comics to get up there, and I thought,
oh god, they're going it's open season on everything. So
(05:49):
it's not like it was just well they're the only
ones who got everybody on stage, every comedian, every athlete,
everybody there caught astray, like some of them caught wrecked
fire like right to their eyes, and you just had
to wear it because it was a rose. So that
people getting upset about this, this is what these things are.
I don't know if anybody plans on doing it again.
(06:12):
I did you see that Netflix removes some of the
booze for Kim Kardashian, which is odd. They kept everything
else in, but you know, the booze were too much
for Kim Kardashian. There was booze, like the crowd booing.
They didn't do that.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
I get a sure you no, they didn't better not
of there were boastards.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
You can remove the booze, you don't take the other
stuff out. I just look at it. I go, I
wonder if anybody is more likely to sign up for
something like this after seeing that, or less likely knowing
everybody in my past and family members are not safe
if I go up there and put myself through that.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I mean, isn't that what a roast is?
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Like?
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Say, it's like a test of your you know, your gut,
it's a test of your nerve.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It's it's like a test. Can you still have fun?
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Do you believe you are as cool a dude as
you think you are a cooler person as you think
you are?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Like, can you keep your calm? Like? You know?
Speaker 6 (07:17):
It's I don't know, we're just so sensitive anymore. It's
just it's almost it's it's it's discouraging in some cases,
it's concerning in others as to how sensitive we are
(07:38):
like there's some there, like, Okay, you can relate some
of this to real life experiences. I get that, you know,
mothers coming out and saying they were uncomfortable with it,
like at their expense.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I get that.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
I understand that, I really do, because they didn't sign
up for it, they didn't want to be a part
of it.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I get that. But outside of that, it's kind of.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Like, you know, just let it go, the riverside, riverside,
mother effort, riverside, turn it around, move it up, move
it down like trainers, trainers like, come on, man, too sensitive,
(08:22):
Like but I get it. I do get it in
some regards. But I mean, let's let's be real. You
are with a kung fu master now, and that's what
you did. And Aaron Hernandez he did it like you
know it ain't no, ain't no debating that one right there.
You know it ain't know if the glove doesn't fit,
you must have quit. Wasn't you know you could say
(08:44):
you knew or whatever? This that and the other he
got found it. Look he was guilty, Like deal with it,
like you gotta deal with it. I'm sure the people
who had problems have to deal with hearing what they
heard from that roast, probably what close to a daily basis.
(09:05):
I mean, if we're being real, yeah yeah, you should
be calloused it back now. You should be okay with
it back now. And let's just be honest. It's just
say is what it is. Come on, let's move on.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Who do you think could repair their image doing a roast?
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Can't well, I don't know this like repairs or helps
or does anything for Tom Brady's image.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I was actually gonna ask this.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
There's been a lot of him lately, the roast and
just other stuff going on, and you're building into the
NFL season where you're gonna see a lot of them
then too, if he's broadcasting every single week, you'll see
him probably during the week too.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
People are gonna want to get his opinion or talk
about him.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Then.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I guess my thought is it too much?
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Like there comes a point in time where you know,
people love seeing this sort of thing, but it also
gets to the point where they all of a sudden
become pretty critical.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
It's like it's cool, you're everyone's favorite. It turns quick.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I mean, look at Tony Romo when his first season,
everyone loved his analysis and it started to turn after
that first season he started doing the commercials. He was
just out there everywhere because he was this big hit
for CBS, and then it turned and it's gotten to
the point now where the past couple of seasons, with
the past few seasons, people have been extremely critical and
(10:26):
you don't see him doing quite as many commercials. Still
see the sketchers and the uh uh Corona and some
of that every once in a while, but not as
much as he used to be. And I just wonder sometimes,
you know, is it too much where you're kind of
building someone up to then break them back down again
based on their you know, their job and the job
that he does as an analyst.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I just can't. I can't imagine during the season when
he's doing these games and he's going to be out
there as much as he was because to your point,
like there's the Noble campaigns, there's the barber shop where
he's you know, getting a cut and he's talking about
it. It seems like he's got a he's got some sort
of investment into a soccer team.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
There's that can't work out so well, by the way.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
No, there's f one, there's you know, I can't imagine
he gets back into crypto anytime soon. But who knows,
Like they're just there has been a lot of things
out there, and I don't know if he's just trying
to keep himself busy because he misses playing. But I
wonder at some point, you know, calling games once a
week for thirty seven and a half million dollars a year,
(11:30):
that should be fine. I mean, you don't have to.
I mean that feels like your plate would be full
at that point, and you know he's got kids, all
the other things to go along with it. I just
I don't know why anybody wouldn't want to sign themselves
up for all of this at this point, which makes
me think that yeah, during the season, it'll it'll quiet
down a little bit, but maybe not.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Maybe.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I just think you gotta be strategic because he could
come off as an arrogant cornball if he's not careful.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Damn yep.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
No, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Like he's just got to be because right now, he's
he's kind of viewed as you know, he's he's a
heroic type of guy. He's like got this mystique about him.
He's he's got that like kind of feel to him,
and maybe that's what it's meant to be. Maybe it's
meant to to humanize him a little bit more and
and make him relatable to people. But I don't think
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that roast made him relatable. I just I think it
gave people the opportunity to laugh at him, which you know,
it kind of humanizes a person when just like, oh,
we you know, you can humiliate a guy like that,
and then you know he's he's there taking it, which,
by the way, I'm not certain all the way that him.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Getting up and telling him don't say that.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
That's again kind of is like, all right, he's in
control of this whole thing, though susan control.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
To that point.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Just to go back to initial conversation where feelings were hurt,
it was interesting that was where the line was crossed.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
It was with Robert Kraft, not just so, not bridget morenihan.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Or anything about Aaron Hernandez or even Kardashian, which why
was Kim Kardashian there?
Speaker 7 (13:10):
I have not.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Yeah, that's the other thing, like, what did she have
to do with all of this? No, Well, because they
were roomed at one point.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Where maybe those two were talking or you know, maybe
she was there for a reason, you know, for Tom
But I digress. Why was it? Robert Kraft was where
the line is drawn.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It's like some people have speculated that all well, he
was just leaning into it. They were playing trying to
do some sort of a mock up of what happened
with Will Smith and Chris Rock. And it's like, if
you look at Jeff Ross's reaction, that was not that
like he was not expecting that he had. He was
trying to get to the next thing. Tom Brady was
legitimately bothered by that one thing. And I don't know,
(13:52):
man like, I don't know, maybe if he knows more
to that story. But I'm just saying it is a
little odd that of all the things you could make
jokes about, and Tom Brady made jokes about Hernandez. There
was all sorts of stuff that was made jokes about
and his owner going to the grab Lab a couple
of times before some playoff games. Is where that's enough.
(14:15):
We can't have any more conversation about this.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Other names do you have for besides the grab Lab?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I had like a list, I don't remember where it
went there there was something can you.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Give us the list, the grab lab.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I don't want to. I don't listen. I was I
was instructed not to go there.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I'll just put it there.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Was some people heard some a couple of the names,
and we're not happy the first time we did that,
So I'll just we'll leave it at that. But you know,
don't don't go there with Tom Brady. That's that's more
of the story, all right. He's not going to stand
for that. Everything else is fine, just not that one thing.
But you know, Drew Bledsoe, by the way, did say
that Check and Robert Kraft had like a nice heart
(15:03):
to heart conversation while they were there, and that's cool
at all. But you can't tell me that when Belichick's
up there having to do a shot with Robert Kraft
and he's not thinking to himself, get me the hell
away from this weirdo.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Bill Belichick looked like he had just he had a
body somewhere. He looked like he had just off somebody,
finished the job and got there and here's this shot
and here like, let me drink it, like I might
kill you. I'm going home to go to bit. I
have a sandwich, a ballooney sandwich and some some crackers.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I gotta be honest.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
When Belichick was up there doing his piece or doing
his jokes, like once guy's laughed a little bit.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
He was like, oh they think I'm funny. All right,
I'm gonna say another one.
Speaker 7 (15:46):
Like yeah, so awkward.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I mean all the stuff that people had said about
him in regards to how he was as a coach,
and I think that the rically to put it the
most articulate was Brian Hoyer, and he talked about the
mental makeup of Belichick and how you know, in a hallway,
it was rumored at times and there's reports that you know,
(16:12):
one day Bill Belichick could walk by say hi, and
then the next day he would act like he didn't
even know you.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
He'd walk right past you, didn't say anything.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
And I thought Brian Hoyer described the best, saying that,
like this guy is so deep in his own thoughts
he doesn't even recognize or register someone's there, Like he's
in a different world.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
And it's like he's he just thought of something.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
He's going back to his office to to you know,
write it down, draw it up, watch film to look
at it, and he's so like caught up in his
own brain. He's like that beautiful mind that he can't
even register like another human being on the way, if
that makes sense. Yeah, And like watching that ros, it's like,
oh yeah, there's like a lot of beautiful mind there
(16:54):
with Bill.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Belichick where it was just so awkward. Oh man, I'm sorry.
I just did something about it.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
See.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It made me love them, but it made me understand
them too, which was maybe part of it.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
I was just like, there's the body, there's a body,
there is a body.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
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Speaker 2 (17:57):
So it is going to be a fun watch. Later
on tonight on TNT game two between the Knicks and
the Pacers, and I know the officiating was poor, but
I have a feeling the language is going to be
poor at MSG because Reggie Miller will be on the
call for TNT and he is expecting and hoping that
the Knicks fans let him have it for the rivalry
(18:19):
they had back in the day. So that's going to
be a fun watch. I can't remember the last time
the broadcaster has turned into one of the biggest storylines
going into a game. But that's going to be a
lot of fun, man, because MSG is going to be rocking.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Can I be honest?
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Though, As far as the fans that are there, I
think I was probably ten or eleven when that game occurred,
and I'm almost forty, So how many people who are
there are really going to remember that game and look
at Reggie Miller as a villain. I think most young people,
he's probably looking at him as a broadcaster or a
(18:55):
guy who's a Hall of Famer, But you know, they
don't probably recall that specific game or match, right.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, although match, I think that soccer talk.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I'm stuff to get out.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I think that they've done a pretty good job that
Nick's have because they're showing like John Starks is in attendance,
like they.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Don't know who John Stark is. That step was right
there when they don't know who he is.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Also say Marberry was after him and you should know him.
That's that's Jonas, though Jonas kind of lives world school
like that.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Look, I think you should appreciate who came before you,
and I agree they've done a good job of doing that, and.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
We all agree.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
But I think you're also blind to the fact that,
like most young people don't see it that way and
don't care.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well, then get your ass back on the subway and
go home and watch it. Give it to give the
tickets up to real fans who want to harken back.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
They would tell you, I am a real fan watching
my team in real life.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Bronson likedvanced antalytics to go along.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
With the.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Right, so you know, I dope.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
But I mean, these kids these days, they're just it's
just all about recency, like recent, Like if it's not recent.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
They don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
I told you guys the other day, the other week
I was walking down the All American Hall and stay
called at the Penn State Football office at the building,
and one of the players was walking down the hall
and he was looking at the pictures and I was like,
how many of them dudes you know up there? And
then he had he backed up. He backed all the
way up to where Sakuon and Micah were and he
(20:31):
was like, yeah, I know these guys right here. I
was like, dang. I was like, you don't know the wall.
He's like, A not really. I was like, you should
know the wall. I said, you might be walking down
the hall one day and end up bumping into one
of them dudes that's just on the wall. I said,
you know, know your history. I said, aren't you trying
to get on this wall? He said absolutely, I'm trying
to get on the wall. I said, well, don't you
(20:52):
want people to respect the fact that you're on the
wall once you get on it.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, they just don't pay attention, you know, the attention
is they're to it.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
So I think it's in part because like there's no
appreciation for history. You know, history tends to have ways
of repeating itself, and for a lot of older generations,
you know, they understand history.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
They've read about history.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
They see the cycles of things that recycle over and
over and over again, and that's a problem. Like it's
a problem for you know, my kids and trying to
like teach them about our heritage and different things that
should matter to them so they understand that the meaning
behind them. Like, I mean, look, there's a lot of crazy,
you know, things going on right now in today's world.
(21:33):
But I just feel like there's an overall lack of
appreciation for history and an understanding for it and really
like what it means. Because eventually, like you're like, oh,
well that isn't apply now it's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Life's so different. No, it still does.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Like there's still many things that you can apply maybe
not directly but indirectly to like what's taking place today,
or if you're an athlete, how you're trying to get
to a certain spot the same way another guy, you know,
how to had to work and train to get to
the spot that he was at.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I think I'm gonna do when my kid gets old enough,
just buy him a pager. Figure it out, buddy. I
have to tell you, you're not getting a phone. Figure
it out. You got to learn how we had to
live back in the day where if you wanted to
get in touch with somebody, you got to just send
him your number and then you got to find a
phone and then call them. Might just do that make good?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Way? So he's got to use a payphone.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, some sort of figured it out.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
I was gonna say that actually would have been the
better deal is don't give him anything, make you go
find a pay.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
I would love it.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
There's got to be a website where they have payphones listed.
I'm not talking about those on the highway, those yellow
boxes that you can do. Yeah, like a real old
school payphone. Yeah, they them all out, There's got to
be a few left. There's still gotta be some relics
out there, by the way, did you guys hear? And
I wanted to get your your thoughts on this because
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I know some people got really bat out of shape.
I know Chris Long was one of those people that
got really beat out of shape. A lot of people
got hot on social media because Austin Rivers was on
the Pat McAfee show starring AJ Hawk.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
And there are some people who's fired some shots at Austin.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, and he had this to say when comparing the
NFL to the NBA.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
We got to get you outside of that football lague, man,
where the guaranteed contracts are, where the best athletes in
the world are.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
That's us. I can take thirty players right now in
the NBA and throw them in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
You cannot take thirty NFL players to put him in
the NBA.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Whoa five on the court. Let's just you get a
break every play. I got to just catch the ball
and run north or south.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It ain't com I mean, I'm with him. I mean
I'm gonna side with the NBA here.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
I'll say this, like he's not entirely wrong, Like there's
probably some guys who could play tight end wide receiver dB,
but like here, here's the here's honestly why I think
a guy like Austin Rivers feels this way.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
This is this is what the league's done.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
They've made this sport, all right, They've made this sport
soft to the point where like NBA players think that
they could go in there and deal with that. Like
that's the truth is, like I would bet back in
the day, and LeVar, I'm not trying to like make
you look like you played that much, you know, further
ahead of me.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
But even when I got in the league from when
you were in the league, like there was.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Changes in all of that, but like they don't allow
hits like LeVar used to do back in the day.
And I'll promise you this, if NBA players are still
watching that, they would probably have a different opinion. And then, look,
maybe I'm wrong because back then when Leavar was playing,
the NBA was playing a different style of game, Like
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these young cats now wouldn't last in the league because
they'd be getting knocked around by guys like Charles Oakley.
So I think it's honestly the fact that the NFL
game has gotten to a point where dudes really think,
like because the NBA games skill now, like it's not
as physical as it used to be. And there's a
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bunch of reasons we can get into and why that is.
But there's elements of that too, with a spread out
as it is in the NFL and the way the
rules are created now where you get less physicality, and
so you get guys who don't know what that physicality
is like thinking they can walk into another league because
they're a good athlete, so I'm not questioning as far
as the athleticism, there's no doubt. Well, my question would
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be the toughest. There's no load management. When you take
those hits. You got to take those hits. Like how
many of those guys getting Like someone said the other day,
we were talking about this.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Like, well, you know NBA players, they don't really pads
and stuff. I go, yeah, I was like, there's a
reason for that.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
You know, if you want to compare this to driving
on the highway, right, all the games they played and
the minutes they play, that's great, but it's not the same.
You know, you'd be like, you know, you're talking about
playing in the NFL where you're taking constant car crashes
versus sitting in a gridlocked highway for four.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Hours, and it's it's just in Apple's do'or just comparison.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
So they've got great athletes, but yeah, the physicality to
me is why I think we even have someone say
something like this or lack of h.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
I just think it's it's interesting because most dope football
players while in high school get recruited. The recruiters come
to see them play two sports outside of football. It's
basketball and track. Yep, they'll come recruit you based off
of how you play basketball and how you perform in track,
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whether it be shot putt discus the one hundred meters,
the two hundred meters, whatever that is. They're basing their
thought process off of that. So for him to say that,
I thought it was more of an ignorant comment. It
was it was just like it was cap like. It
wasn't like it wasn't. I don't even know that he
believed that. I really he was right about guaranteed contracts
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and stuff like that, like one hundred get get with
him on that. They have a whole lot more freedom.
There's a whole lot more flexibility in basketball. You do
have to play offense and defense in basketball, so you
have to translate different skills. But I'll say this me
being a basketball player, because I was a basketball player
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first and my trajectory was in basketball. You you f
around and find out when you like, there's dudes that
play football that are basketball players. So in that sense,
when you're saying, uh, a basketball a football player wouldn't
be able to play basketball, you're it's it's it's not
true because you're playing football and nobody knows you as
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a basketball player, but you probably there's probably a ton
and I mean a ton of guys that are playing
playing football that were very very gifted playing basketball and
could be like a They could be in a rotation,
they could be in the rotation of somebody's team in
the NBA, make no mistake about it. And maybe not,
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you know, maybe not a superstar, but maybe so. You
just you just never know. I think the best athletes, honestly,
I think the best athletes play football.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I really do.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
I've seen three hundred plus pound dudes do splits, backflips, tumble,
all kinds of different things that you would not believe
they're capable of doing. It's like the grizzly bear versus
you know, a cheetah or something like that. Right, Like,
like I could see that that cheetah is fast, but
you ain't realize that that grizzly bear can run fast
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as hell too. They get up to thirty miles per
hour when they run. You see that beer walking down
the street. I always say, you see that beer walking
down the street. You see that tiger walking down the street,
that lion walking down the street. He looks so docile,
he looks like Oh, look at that fat ass beer
walking down the street like da da da. All Right,
mess around and find out. Like, that's what I would
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say to that statement that basketball players could go in. Yeah, sure,
put a put a basketball player out wide receiver, because
even if I'm saying put put a green and a
basketball player that's never played football on a football field
to play tight end, they're not making it. They're not
making it in there, they're not making it. Unless you
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split him out, they're not making it. So unless you're
talking about putting a basketball player at receiver, that's really
the only position that I could honestly say you could justify. Yep,
he could transition from being that to this. Like they
were talking about the kid that played for NC State
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this year, the big thick dude that's like three hundred
pounds and he's like sixty seven to sixt eight or
whatever it is, and they're like, if it doesn't work
out for him in basketball, like send him on over
to football. It would take a really long time for
that young man to acclimate and understand what it would
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need to be for him to be a tackle in
the National Football League. It would take a ton of
time and a tremendous learning curve, and not to mention,
he would have to figure out how to handle the
physicality of what takes place in football. It's just not
as simple as, oh, they're great athletes. They can run,
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jump and dunk and shoot three pointers and dribble through
their legs and their footwork and all this other stuff.
It's a very different approach, a very different way of
how things work in football. So while I'm not going
to diminish how athletic you have to be playing basketball
and how athletic that game and that sport is and
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how diverse it is and the things you have to do,
football is equally diverse, even by position by position. Like
we're not just talking like running up and down a
court and running and all that. And like he said,
you run, you stop, you try to run the ball.
Like there's people dumbed down what football is. But it
is a very complex. It's a very intricate, very intricate game.
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And that's why that's why you'll never hear anybody militarily
refer to basketball. And in the military, you know what
military refers to football. You know what football refers to
the military, because it's much more grueling. It's a much
more sophisticated approach to what's taking place than than pretty
much any other sport.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well, I couldn't do either, So you juice heads can
argue about that all you want. Yeah, listen, I just
stand on the outside looking at everything.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Three suns.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Y'all saw my boy Chop drinking his Caprice how he
was waiting to get draft?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Now is one anywhere?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Does he pop the straw on the top or just
go bottom pouch? Because sometimes it's easier just to pop
the Caprice Sun straw on the bottom of the pouch
as supposed to trying to line it up in that
hole in the top. You know what I mean, Just
squeeze it, Do one little squeeze and then you're good. Also,
cherry is the best Caprice Sun flavor in my mind.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I like the citrus one. Yeah, Citrus is my favorite.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
There there's no way those things are good for you.
There's just no possible way. I mean, you could believe
those in a box in a bomb shelter for thirty
years and then open them back up and they taste
exactly the same. Just doesn't feel like it would be good. Lee,
which is your Caprice sun flavor of choice. You had
to go with one tropical punch. Okay, oh wow, all
over the board here. Yeah. I think sometimes they call
(32:31):
it tropical tide. It's been a long time, yeah, long time. Yeah, Well,
I get yourself a Caprice son because apparently has he
got a sponsorship?
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I mean you should get one after that, Yeah, he
should get one.
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Speaker 5 (33:10):
Hello, good morning, hell Hello the old p hi Old P.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Petros. Your thoughts on Austin Rivers making the comparison between
NBA and NFL players and saying that he could find
thirty NBA players to play in the NFL. Right now,
how does that?
Speaker 7 (33:25):
Ny guys to get broke the f off?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
Dropped the mic.
Speaker 9 (33:38):
It's I am a look, where should we start? Is
there even one guy in the NBA who could be
quote unquote thrown into the NFL? And anybody who suggests
Lebron Lebron doesn't want to get hit and his football
window closed at.
Speaker 7 (33:57):
Twenty nine to thirty.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
I mean, Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates and Julius Peppers
were football players first, and they moonlighted in basketball, and
they were like Claude Hoppers on the basketball court, and
they were great football players and graceful and ballet like.
Jimmy Graham was a college basketball player who played his
first organized football I think as a fiftyear senior in college,
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and he tried football because he was only scoring five
points per game in the NBA or you know, in
the college. He wasn't he had no NBA future. So
where are these thirty guys? Which guy is one of
your thirty guys, Austin?
Speaker 7 (34:39):
Who could do it? Who's gonna put their.
Speaker 9 (34:41):
Hand in the ground and put a helmet on and
get bunked around? Listen, basketball players are amazing athletes. The
NBA players are probably the best athletes top to bottom.
In the world. And I never thought this growing up.
I grew up thinking Michael Jordan's the greatest player of
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all time and all that. But until you get onto
an NBA court and watch NBA players like really up close,
you really get an idea for A, it's a very
physical game compared to what you thought if you're right
down there in the way they even during the regular season.
And b there's no fat on these guys, like there's
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nothing to their bodies.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
You know. If an NBA player has.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
A gut, it's news like James Harden right. I mean,
they go up and down the court, up and down,
up and down, and they also go up and down,
up and down like pogo sticks. It's not the first
jump a lot a lot of the time that's impressive.
It's the second jump or the third. And I was
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really impressed by it. And I was really also impressed
by their ability to fight through fatigue, right, just just
to go up and just burn it all out like
a hockey shift kind of thing. But toughness as far
as being physically bludgeoned, no, no, they'd all be broken.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
They don't have the sand in their ass.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
So so Austin Reeves, like, like, and he was a
tough Austin Rivers or Austin Reeves. That proves the point
the Austin Reeves would get broke. Austin Rivers was a
tough guy when he played, right, Remember he got hit
in the face and he was bleeding at the end
of that playoff game or whatever. He's a tough guy.
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He was a great basketball player in high school and college. Right,
it's not fair to compare him to Brownie James or
anything like that. He was he was quite literally an
All American legitimately. But this is I mean, these guys
say this stuff, so everybody's got to react to it,
and I feel so stupid because you know, you fall
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right into the trap of reaction. But you guys asked
me about it, so you know, where's the thirty guys where?
Speaker 7 (37:02):
Where's where? Who do we got? Who's number one?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Right?
Speaker 7 (37:05):
Who's number one to get broke off?
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Because so to that point, though, like like when I
hear a player like that say that, and especially a
guy's a little younger.
Speaker 9 (37:16):
We had those guys at USC on the basketball team,
sure like sure like ten games under five.
Speaker 7 (37:21):
Hundred and be like, oh, we could do what y'all do.
Speaker 9 (37:22):
It's like, okay, come on out then, right, come and
do our forty play run drail a hole?
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Does some of them have to do with the fact
that they look at the NFL now and they don't
see the vicious types of hits in plays that it
used to be.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
Like, I suppose they don't see them. They don't see the.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
Dues being paid physically in their most extreme way, right,
but those dues are still paid. You just don't. You know,
we don't have the you got aft up you know
and all that. But you're right, Brady, I mean, you
know and and and I'll take it from you because
of your linebacker and tied end neck.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Roll days in high school. Thank you bye.
Speaker 9 (38:01):
I mean what, the rules we used to play under
are not the rules we play under now. And obviously
you guys speak to that better than I can, But
we don't play under those rules.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
I get that.
Speaker 9 (38:14):
But you're still not getting off the line of scrimmage.
You know, mister six foot seven is not getting off
the line of scrimmage at all ever. And you know,
part of the the whole physical playing in the box
and outside the box and all that stuff we've talked
about this before, but there's a reason that wide receivers
and dbs talk to each other the way they do that.
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They because they don't pay their dues the same way.
And when I say dbs, I mean corners and nickel
corners and guys like that, you know, not your Troy Polamalu,
Steve Atwater types. But they can talk like that and
act like a holes like that and taunt each other
like that, even more so now because as the rules
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have changed so dramatically inside the box, everybody knows they're
gonna get got and talking like that is not helpful
to me at least. So there are different nuances of
how you get beat up as a football player as well.
And all these guys think they're going to play out
on the edge. And anyway, if it was up to me,
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I'd get rid of all the wide receivers. I just
go like Jim Harbaugh and play with four tight ends.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Makes a ton of sense.
Speaker 9 (39:33):
I'd make an extra tight end one of the old linemen,
and then three other tight ends. One of them is
like a full back type.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
So that's it. Abolish the position.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
Somebody also threw up football players and basketball players wouldn't
be able to play baseball, and that baseball not to me,
I would say, that's more so more relevant. You're not
going to just throw somebody on a pitcher's mound, or
you're not going to just go up and hit hit
a fastball. That's a ninety mile prowd fastball.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
That's a hand eye thing.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Right.
Speaker 7 (40:03):
We all think about Michael Jordan and that image of
him striking out looking all long and gangly and goofy
on a baseball field, you know, and that was it
was heartbreaking for us. I mean when you were a kid.
Speaker 9 (40:16):
And it's not like, I mean I loved Michael Jordan,
but I am not from Chicago or anything like that.
I was just another front runner like every other American
white kid or whatever in suburbia. And Michael Jordan never missed.
I mean he never lost. He never, I mean he did.
He lost those series before he started winning the finals.
The one he beat the Lakers in the early nineties
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was how it started. But like, it was really humiliating
to see Michael Jordan try to do something else and
fail so miserably. I mean, it was an innocence lost
moment for a lot of America's youth when he was
out there striking out like ooh, you know, but baseball
is a double sided cutlass as well, right, because in
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baseball you have to be separated hand eye coordination wise
pretty early, and then you have to develop whatever kind
of power if you're a hitter. And there's some stories
out there like Evan Longoria and guys like that.
Speaker 7 (41:15):
They're few and far between.
Speaker 9 (41:16):
But you know, guys that were not big prospects JC
route minor leagues and then suddenly they become pretty special.
But baseball players, I think they get identified pretty young
and it's.
Speaker 7 (41:29):
A really difficult road.
Speaker 9 (41:32):
And what's funny to me is, you know where I live,
it's a relatively affluent area, and it's a bunch of
just guys that have kids that are just really average
looking white kids, and adding get you though, but they do.
But the fact that every one of these dads because
the kid can't pass the eyeball test as a football
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or basketball player. And that is the difference with football
and basketball. If you are at the elite sixteen year
old football player and you walk in to the room
looking like Edward Grimley or something, people are not going
to believe you're a football player baseball. You could look
like a dork and be a great baseball player or
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not physically imposing. You know, Mookie Betts is not a
big guy. Trey Turner is not a big guy.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Who some of these ask them and not even know
who they are. Some of them.
Speaker 9 (42:23):
Yeah, you know, I mean Pedroia, you know these guys
that come to mind, David Eckstein, you know, overachiever guys.
All of these stupid ass rich dads think that their
son is that one guy, and the truth is he's not.
There's some dude in the Dominican with a milk carton
for a glove. That's that guy. But you know, buy
your son a fifteen hundred dollars bat, you know, play
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three hundred days a year, spend all your weekends in
Lancaster and Bakersfield and just die on the vine. And
by the time your kid's twelve and he gets the
first cent of a female attraction, he's going to throw
the bat into the pool. You know, he's going to
throw his two thousand dollars compat posit bat jacuzzi.
Speaker 7 (43:12):
You know I know that.
Speaker 9 (43:16):
Yeah, oh god. The whole youth sports thing is amazing
because most of it even at the AAU level where
guys are competing for scholarships, is a scam made to
fleece the parents and and ruin everybody's weekend and have
people not learn to be children. And my message is this,
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just because you can play all year does not mean
you should, right, you know, I mean baseball that the
one great thing about football. And in a perfect world,
I'm quite aware even if the rules have changed that
in a perfect world, football would not exist. But the
one great thing about football at least is at the
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end of the season, they take our pads and we
don't go play all year long. We can't. You know,
you never play football again. When you're done playing football.
You don't hire a ref and a chain gang and
go to camp for two weeks and buy uniforms and
rent out communication equipment for the for the booth and
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the side. I mean, you just don't do it. And
these other sports are are different, and I think people
become more delusional the more they play.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Hey, Petros, who's in a worse spot. The Lakers are
the Clippers right now?
Speaker 7 (44:33):
Can I punt? We are elimination nation here?
Speaker 9 (44:39):
And he's gonna say, I mean the Clippers are out
because the Charles barklay line was great. You know, I've
been rich, I've been poor, I've been fat, I've been skinny.
The Clippers have always sucked. He's right, you know, and
I kind of like the Clippers over the years. But
he's right, and I really just like the Clippers more
(45:00):
because I despise the Lakers. But that doesn't mean I
like the Clippers anyway. They're both done. I mean, the
Lakers are being run shadow run by Lebron. He's laying
low because he just fired his sixth coach in his
NBA career. I believe his was that.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Just I mean, you follow the Lakers, probably even close
to than we do. I mean, was that one?
Speaker 7 (45:22):
No? No? I mean, well why was he hired in the
first place.
Speaker 9 (45:26):
I mean, look, I can't I'm not Nick right, the
squidward nos guy on TV who talks about this like constantly.
But isn't it pretty clear to everybody that it's not
that cool to be around Lebron? He gets you fired,
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and if you have success, it's because he's great, and
if you don't, it's your fault. I mean, players, coaches,
who wants to be around that, you know, and JJ Reddick,
perhaps the most condescending dogmatic person in the history of television,
is going to somehow come to the Lakers and talk
down to these guys and never have coached before. I mean,
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and do a podcast with Lebron talking about wine. I mean,
you know, I mean, I guess financially it helps them
just to sell the whole thing to Lebron and not
have to run your franchise for as long as Clutch
Sports is sitting in the chair there. But it certainly
is an ugly look from the outside, even with all
the Lebron minions in the media running around and.
Speaker 7 (46:31):
Trying to help him. He just fired a coach, so
he's not going to do anything for attention for another
five or six days.
Speaker 9 (46:38):
But his head will pop up again, and you know
he'll be doing some wine tasting or something about for attention,
like he always does.
Speaker 7 (46:48):
The Clippers have a new stadium opening up in Englewood.
Speaker 9 (46:50):
Yeah, with a bunch of toilets American standard stadiums and
or arena. Excuse me, the King's just got a swept
or blown out of the playoffs by the Edmonton Oilers,
so they're all drunk running around the South Bay right now, Are.
Speaker 7 (47:10):
They at that bar.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Manhattan Beaches manhatt Beach one right?
Speaker 9 (47:15):
No, it's the bar, oh the Strand please uh, the
bar that the hockey guys hang out with is a
it's a dive bar, and it's on It's in her Mosa,
right on the border of Hermosa and Manhattan Party. When
I was a kid, it used to be called Critters,
but now it's called North End.
Speaker 7 (47:32):
It is in the north end of.
Speaker 9 (47:34):
Hermosa and it's really close to the old nine O
two one oh house on the beach where the girls
lived when they were in college.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
If you remember that.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
It's a sweet spot pe you should do a remote
from there.
Speaker 7 (47:45):
You and Matt at Critters at.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
North End or Critters whatever.
Speaker 9 (47:48):
Yeah, I mean it's a dive bar. It's it's not
offensive like the Strand House, which is offensive.
Speaker 7 (47:56):
Called douchebags. Levarang, Am I a d bag? No? Oh,
you're a You're an anomaly from out of town.
Speaker 9 (48:02):
Okay, you know you show up and it's like there's
LeVar Arrington wants to play pickleball with us.
Speaker 6 (48:07):
No, I don't do That would make me a d
bag if I did pickleball.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
I don't play pickleball.
Speaker 9 (48:13):
Send send some of the octopus tempo over to Levar's table.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
That's really good. They got some really good food there.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
Pe.
Speaker 7 (48:24):
I know, I don't go to Manhattan Beach anymore, LeVar.
You know why why? Because I'm from here.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I get I get it. I was just that deal.
Speaker 7 (48:31):
I understand.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
Does that get tough living?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Uncle?
Speaker 9 (48:36):
Uncle Bill's has a as an old Papadaka's tavern a
plate on the wall from my dad's old restaurant, Nice.
Speaker 7 (48:44):
Greek?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Is that the one O J autographed?
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (48:47):
Wow, Well we didn't collect OJ's autographs.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Okay, okay, some of his exes that's fair.
Speaker 7 (48:59):
Uh p, Why do don't they go to the bathroom
twenty times during dinner? Shut up?
Speaker 3 (49:05):
I had to get a little bump.
Speaker 7 (49:06):
What's he doing in the bathroom with Jim Lampley? Shut
them all?
Speaker 3 (49:11):
I get a little bump A bump.
Speaker 7 (49:16):
Well, I just want to do a gummer what listen? Pee?
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Uh? The Dodgers are back.
Speaker 7 (49:23):
They're rolling.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yes, everybody's excited, and they just had Star Wars night,
and intentionally, as you laid out on the radio, did
it on a Monday, Because why spoil a Star Wars
night when there's an actual good team in town. Yeah
they had it Saturday, right, Yeah, well they had it,
didn't They have it?
Speaker 7 (49:42):
Sunday?
Speaker 9 (49:42):
May the fifth was single to Miles, So they had
the Braves in town. Big series weekend, everybody's there. So
they did Star Wars Night on Monday night because the
Mars and the Fish came into town.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, Brady's Marlin.
Speaker 7 (49:56):
But some are saying that that's, you know, the revenge
of the sixth.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Hits on the very first pitch a home run.
Speaker 7 (50:03):
What's that game.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Was against Buller's Dodgers.
Speaker 9 (50:08):
Walker Bueller's back and Otani is the best hitter in
the world. But I will say this without being sarcastic
and annoying like normal, the Dodgers are always this way.
They're always front running and seven thousand games ahead, and
it's been this way. They get to the playoffs and
lose in the first round. Very frustrated. But the year
(50:31):
is like a huge like giant Boner Parade the entire season.
But this is an extra extra priapism this year because
of the first three guys in the lineup that that is.
I gotta admit watching the games living here, that is
fun to watch when you have Bets come up, and
(50:54):
then Otani and then Freeman and then the rest of
the guys are pretty good too, Will Smith and guys
like that. Uh, pretty darn impressive to watch that in
the night out.
Speaker 7 (51:03):
I'll say that.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Well, you're pretty impressive, Pee at the old p on Twitter.
Speaker 7 (51:08):
Because it's early, you guys are easily impressed.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Now listen, how was.
Speaker 6 (51:12):
That Kentucky Derby. I didn't say it, though, Pee, I
I wasn't agreeing with Jonas. I was just listening. Appreciate you,
but you are my guy though. How was that Kentucky Derby?
Speaker 9 (51:21):
Guy got bumped for last week and he was a
real stiff.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yeah, Lee, it was Art Rooney's grandson.
Speaker 7 (51:30):
Well, what's who's coming on next week? I don't know
Rooney Borrow?
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, Pee, we appreciate it. Let's we'll do it again
next week. Wednesday is your day. We promise we won't
let Lee steer us away from that.
Speaker 7 (51:44):
Tell him to keep farting up a storm.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Yeah, there it is.
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