May 16, 2022 • 44 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington recap Game 7’s from the weekend including Luka putting on a show to eliminate the Suns. Drew Brees is passive aggressive about his place in the broadcasting world and a possible return to the NFL. Brady shares stories from weekend at the PBA. Matt Rhule puts David Tepper on notice because of rumors about Sean Payton. Malik Willis has a real shot to take the job from Tannehill and a hypothetical handicapping of Georgia vs USFL's Stallions.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks
on sports radio. We had a ton of Game seven's
over the weekend, not only in the NBA but also
in the NHL. It was a fun one. It was
a wild one. A lot of people talking about the
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Son's disastrous performance and the Dallas Mavericks who move on
to the Western Conference finals. Um, where do you, guys
stack as far as players to watch that you enjoy watching?
Where do you put Luca in the NBA right now?
As far as like, if you had to pick one
guy to watch, where does he stack up for you guys? Um?
And he's right up there. He's definitely right up there.
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The games one is obviously more of like a he's
a savant. As far as how he plays, it's not
John Moran. We're gonna see a bunch of highlights like that.
It's more of just the way he positions his body,
finds crafty ways of getting buckets. That's the best way
of describing it. It's got some bird to him, got
some Larry Bird, don't Yeah, sure, sure you can say
that little uh, you know, I's gotta be Larry Bird.
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What do you get that? I'm just saying, like he's
got a little bit has it got to be a
comparison to like does that make it apples to apples? No?
Just not, you know, not the most What do you
think that I'm getting at that? Just the style of play?
I mean, you know, I mean, what do you want
me to say, Dominique? Like you know it just didn't
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you know, the style of play like it just from
a little bit of Larry Bird to him and he's
only twenty three years. I don't think that's racist at
he's only he's only twenty three years. Compare him to
that's you know, we're doing the comp game. So basically
the best the best white basketball player, you know, like
for the longest time that helps save the NBA with
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with magic is the only one that you could come
up with For Luca, I would look, I don't see
I don't see color when it comes to this, I'm
just doing comps here, Like you know, I didn't know
here we go. I don't even know what Luca looks like.
To be honest with you, I just try and I
try and focus. I'm surprised you didn't compare them the dirt.
It's like dirt. I don't know, why would I do that?
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I know you know who knows why you would do that.
I believe who knows why you would do Larry Bird.
Let's let's hear from Luca. I like Luca's game though,
and he's finally and he's finally gotten to that next
plateau like she was talking about earlier. He has established
himself now moving into another place because now he's conquered
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that first round of the playoffs. But let's hear what yet? Now?
Here was Luca postcap. Honestly, I'm really happy, man. It's
you can't get the smile off my face right now.
And I'm just really happy, you know, Honestly, I think
we deserve this. We've been playing hard the whole serious.
Maybe a couple of games here we were in ourselves,
but you know, we came here with a statement Game seven.
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We believed our luckerlot believe to everybody believes. I'm just happy.
Were you aware at halftime you had as many points
as the Sons? Oh? Yeah, of course, what do you
think of that? I think I would do it? Was amazing.
He's awesome, man, and I I just if you're looking
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at who's left, and I know Brady wants to just
eliminate the Warriors. He's tired of Steph Curry and the
story of Steph Curry. If you're looking at the best
players left, it's hard to argue that he's not the
best all around. Gosh, Jason tatums up there too, it's
hard to argue that that he's not the best player
left as for twenty three years old in the postseason.
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Now he's in a Western Conference finals. I would I
would probably say Luca is the best player left in
the playoffs as far as far in the in the NBA, think, yeah, yeah,
I mean I would say him, Butler, Steph Curry obviously yeah,
Um Clay Thompsons starting to figure it out as not
in the conversation starting step step Steph, Luca, and and
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Tatum probably Butler, you know, yeah, I think that those
are the ones. Yeah. So it's gonna be fun to
see how those how those all match up. So we've
got MAVs Warriors in the Western Conference and we've also
got the cs and the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference. Uh,
you know, very uh, Brady Quinn vested interests there, Chris Quinn,
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your buddy is I'm still an assistance, although my wife
is from Boston, not that she's a huge Celtics fan.
But as I've said to you before, like I I
you know, I've I've been to a Celtics game there
and TD Garden and uh had I was wearing a
Celtics you know shirt, and meanwhile they're playing the Calves
and so I was really in conflict at that point.
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I wasn't married at that point. I wanted to root
for the Calves. However, I had to walk in there
with a Celtics shirt because I think she had got
the tickets from something within the Celtics organization, and so
it felt like it was a little bit um, a
little stage. Yeah. Well, I mean, listen, you know, maybe
uh I mean, if you know, if they're you know,
short a, you know, a broadcaster on any of these
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NBA games, maybe Drew Brees will throw his name of that,
you know. Maybe, I mean, maybe that was already out
there and that's why he was, you know, kind of
you know, playing the way that he was playing with things. Yeah,
I mean, because you know, just looking at his tweet,
I mean as we talked about earlier, he's got you know,
I mean, may play football again, may focus on business,
may train for the pickle ball tour, senior golf coaches kids.
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Uh you know, maybe maybe broadcast an NBA game. Maybe
you can hit a jump shot or two. Maybe there's
that out there as well too. So there's there's how
about this as I try to steal this in a
different direction, just since it was such a smooth transition,
Well you can check your time. Yeah, yeah, no I
I did. Anyway, let's uh, let's talk about this. Do
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you think Drew Brees is watching what other guys are making?
A lot o? Brad has never never called a game?
Get three five million? And then you see what Troy
Aikman gets and what even Kirk herb Street gets. Because
let's not get this twisted egos a part of all
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of them. It's a part of all of it. I
mean I said this earlier when Matt Ryan goes, well, yeah,
if the Falcons hadn't been talking or pursuing Deshaun Watson,
I'd probably still be in Atlanta. Okay, So then it
was ego. Then they had nothing else to do with
try to win a Super Bowl trying to, you know,
be somewhere and be successful when games are all will
not be a part of a rebuild. It was just ego.
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You were frustrated and upset by the fact that they
went after de Shawn Watson, and you're that guy sitting
there who's been to a Super Bowl, who's one of NFC,
has been an m v P. And it's no different
when it comes to broadcasting. Troy Aikman what he was like, No, no, no, no,
I have to be paid more than Tony Bromo. I'm
not gonna stay somewhere where I'm not getting paid more
than a guy that I was more successful than on
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the field. I'm I'm I've been in the booth longer
and I've been doing a better job, and so wherever
I go, I need to be paid more than that.
My next contract when I have that opportunity. And then
you see what Tom Brady makes none. I don't know
if that's gonna fall through or not, so who knows,
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but at least that's what they've quote unquote agreed to
terms if you will. And then you see kurkerm Street,
who look is one of the best there is in
regards to calling a game, but largely has done at
the college football level. And I think there's this thought
or understanding between guys who played at the pro level
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of succeeded and guys who succeed at the college level.
And I'll be honest, I don't know that you could
really make the case he really did either as a player.
And so I'm sure there's some resentment or jealousy of
what he's making and what he's doing now doing Thursday
night football with Al Michaels. And meanwhile, you've got a
first ballot Hall of Famer and Drew Brees at the
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NFL level. You know, in college, he was outstanding at Purdue,
and he's looking at it. Go on, hold on a second,
like all these dudes are getting all this money, and
yet after my first year, like I can't, I can't
get more from one of these networks. So I wonder
if this has as much to do with that and
his frustration with not purely being you know, rewarded for
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what he did on the field instead of in the
short span of what he's done in the broadcast booth.
And that's where maybe some of this frustration is coming from.
What is what does breeze get what was this six
million a year? Like I saw a report that No,
I don't think it was anywhere close to that. Yeah,
I would, Uh, this is what I don't think it
was that. All I know is we all, especially as
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as athletes, this former pro athletes or even current pro athletes,
you're always faced with getting a stiff, stiff, very stiff
dough of reality of of where you, where you exist.
And and I would I would venture to say the
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lower you are on the totem pole, the easier it
is to handle that stiff dosa reality. It's the higher
parts of of of the totem pole that messes messes
with people like this guy has been amazing Holtz records
could arguably trying to debate you know what he is
as as a quarterback in terms of talent and accomplishment
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over guys like Tom Brady, And that stiff dose of
reality is he will never be viewed as a better
quarterback as Tom Brady, Like it'll just never happen. The
next stiff dosa reality is, Larr you've gotten ahead start
in the and you know doing media work, and and
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this guy hasn't done one day of media work at
least that I know of, and and the market is
calling for him to get this astronomical number, to come
into the booth and do what he's gonna do. The
market has spoken, and sometimes the biggest dose of reality
is you can't talk your way into getting more money.
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Like Troy Aikman was able to get it like great,
great for him. He wanted to make more than than
Tony Romo. He was able to find a way to
to get that done. Everybody's not going to have that opportunity.
Drew Brees might not have a market for him to
make the type of money that some of these guys
are being offered. They're only making those exceptions for literally
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one to two dudes out of network. It's closed. So
the other thing, the other thing you have to take
into consideration is what started all of this, and that
was the Romo deal, right. The Romo deal blew everything
out of the water. And it was the first time
it made you start questioning like, Okay, is it worth
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it to pay a lead analyst that much? Because the
question comes up, are people tuning in to listen to
him and any gamble or any better or any fantasy person,
any any any passionate fan about the team will say, no,
I'm tuning in to watch my team. I don't care
who's calling the game, lavarn And I've talked you at times,
he's watching it on mute. He's not even listening to
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the broadcast. So when you think about it from that perspective,
you're going, man, that's a big waste of money, is
it not. But here's where it came into play. CBS
and and the rights for you know, the NFL were
coming up, and around that point in time, they had
to have their number one analyst. And even though they
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had Phil Sims, who was in that position and did
a great job, arguably the greatest Super Bowl performance we've
ever seen, right, and and had that and and and
the branding from the New York Giants and all of that,
they wanted to revamp it and go with a different style.
And they pushed Tony Romo so hard in his first
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year because they had to. They had to to appease
the NFL, they had to to justify the contract that
they signed him to. Then it literally snowballed into what
it is now where I think that deal not only
made every other network cringe because they knew every number
one analyst is gonna be asking for it, but also
because of the position they're in now where those views
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or those critics aren't as favorable towards him now, and
and it's getting a little bit more exposed when you
don't prepare. And so as much as he should get
credit for kind of being a first mover to get
these contracts up in TV, he's also now the guy
that I think you could put it on him and
his agent say yeah, but now this is starting to
be that cautionary tale of will look what happened a
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few years later. You know, be careful what you wish for,
because there's gonna be a lot of scrutiny that comes
along with these guys where they get paid that much.
I don't know why you haven't gotten it yet. I
don't I don't know why you haven't been put in
the mix. It's weird. We well under contract, say, Jonas
is the one that we really are pushing are you?
Are you on your way to being you know in
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that mix? Like, here's what I'd say about all of
this is, unless you had a Hall of Fame career,
you are going to have to wait until your Kerk
Curb Street and you're gonna have to get to that
level before any network. Well, and that's that's been a
long time. But you have to think about from this
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perspective to you said it earlier, like you have to
be viewed as a media member where people kind of
forget about whatever you're playing. Career was a lot like
Chris not that people like, remember Chris Collinsworth, who was
a damn good receiver two Super Bowls. Yeah, Like, there's
no kid right now who's gonna remember that Chris collins
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They remember the Chris collins Worth they see on TV
and they're like, I really like listening to that guy.
And he was a speedster out of Florida, do you know. Yeah,
But by the way, no one remembers Street playing Ohiowa State,
But no one really remembers that was a player like
as fan will throw um a bone and show a
highlight every once in a while, but the reality is
that's not what they remember. They remember him as the
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guy dressed in a suit who does a tremendous job
analyzing college football or football in general and communicating it.
So that's the reality of it is, is you gotta
if you're gonna go that route. You've got to get
to the point where so many executives in the media
industry are like, he's he's now changed the way we
identify him. He's no longer just a player. He did play,
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but now he's a guy we view is one of
the best of the business as a broadcaster. Well, I
mean I think, uh, I think Brady is fantastic. I
think you know Brady, this Brady Quinn here. I think
you heard how bad it was analyzing the PBA yesterday.
Ye did they ask you for analysis? Ais? I mean,
I knew a little bit coming into it, but you
know it would have been a little more helpful. And
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I was actually gonna have to go on camera. I
was just like, I swear to God, the whole entire time,
I just was praying that my kids would not be
loud and like and like one of these bulls would
stepped back. In fact, at one point, Tigan, our middle child,
she made some sort of sound and and uh, I
think it was Tommy Tommy Johns was up to bull
but he he went on through with it, hit a
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strike and I was like, oh, thank god, he's Like
had it been like let's see, Lett's say he's got
to pick up a seven ten pray for the spare.
Then I'm going on, he's gonna blame it on us.
He's gonna give us death stairs the whole time, the
rest of the rest. What's funny about that is there
were kids sitting right in front of me Um and
Trish at Circus Soul, and they kept making sound effects
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and dad and this that and the other, and it.
I was mortified at the I was sitting there and
I was like, yes, I'm a parent, and and and
but it got worse and worse because they would not stop.
They would not and it kind of my and and
It's like, you know, that's good money. Our seats were
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really good seats. And I'm sitting here and I'm like,
I'm being distracted by these two kids the entire time,
talking and making sound effects the entire time. And I
would like to see, you know, these amazing physical feats
of the show. Get your money back was getting my
money back. I just sometimes it just makes you wonder, like, like,
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what the hell were you thinking to bring your kids
in here. I was more like one of these dudes
is supposed to win one hundred thousand dollars and I
am not going to be the person to blame if
they do. I would have been looking at Q if
out to her one of your kids, Maye. I would
have looked over at you, Q like I would have
gave you to look like really cute, like for real,
like this is that what you're doing? Bro? The bestest
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I had signs for rob stones. We made signs for him.
My oldest held up like an I Heart rob stone,
and then we had a hambone rob stone. But the
best was the one that gave and I gave it to.
I gave it to a leash because knew would give
a street credit within the boy community was I believe
they his name was Peter Webber where he after he
won and he freaks out and he goes, who do
you think you are? Ever sits down. I was like,
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you have to put that on a side because only
people in the in the boy community understand what that means.
And I think I think Pete Webber is a guy
who bowl with sunglasses on. I'm not mistaken. Are sunglasses
like cosmic bowling? That's so much fun. Be sure to
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Joe with Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington, and Jonas Knocks week
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days at six am Eastern, three am Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. You know
how Matt Rule, your former teammate LaVar at Penn State.
You know, he has been hearing a lot about his
job security this summer, and you know there's been some
rumors out there. The latest one was a report from
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front Front off of Sports that the Panthers are targeting
Sean Payton potentially next year to be the head coach
if they struggle again this year. Matt Rules entering year
three of the of his time there with the Carolina Panthers,
and you know, we've we've defended him in his situation
and he hasn't had the greatest quarterback options and the
fact that he's on the hot seat already is a
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bit unfair. Um. Well, he was asked about the latest
report uh in regards to Sean Payton, and um had
some interesting things to say about what's been communicated to
him from the owner, David Tepper with regards to that report.
You know, the first I heard of it, Dave called
me and told me that, you know, that it was
going to come out. You know that you know something
that they had called him and that there was nothing
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to it. You know, I know Dave Tepper well enough
to believe that he wouldn't be talking to another coach
right now. When he came to my house two and
a half years ago, he told me that this was
a five year rebuilding. That that's what he said to me,
and he convinced me then to come be a part
of it with him and build it with him. We're
not where we want to be, and I don't think
it's gonna take five years. I don't want to take
five years. But those are the words that he said
to me. Good for him, good for Matt rule. I
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put it back on him, put him on notice. Hey,
I was told something different, So I don't believe that
this is the case. Just let it be known that
you were communicated something different and now your owner has
been sort of dangling you on the hot seat all
off season. I love it. Good that you know one
thing I know for certain about Matt. He confirmed saying
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that to Temper before he said that in that in
that interview, meaning he doubled down on making sure like
we did say this is a five year rebuild, right, Yeah, Matt,
of course, five year Like yeah, I thought that's what
we talked about, Like, I thought that was what we
agreed to. Like, that is the way Matt rule operates.
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So Matt didn't just strategically and methodically put put a
chokehold on Temper in terms of what he's doing. But
but the idea of looking at where this team is
right now, they're putting some very key pieces in place,
but the one place that they don't have a key piece,
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at least seemingly yet, is at the quarterback's position. So
if you're saying it's gonna be a five year rebuild,
I mean you're basically admitting that you gotta figure out
where are you going with the quarterback situation in Carolina?
And right now, you don't know if Matt Corral is
the answer. I'm sure you know that Donald isn't. So
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how much time do you give Matt Corral to be
that difference maker for this organization? This is year three
for him, right, So this is year three and and
Matt Carroll and Sam Donald are going to fight this
out this year? Do you give him year three and four?
And say year five? If if this isn't better, like
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like convincingly better, you're out of here? Or do you say,
you know what, Matt, We're going to go in a
different direction. We thought you'd do better. Either way, Matt
Rule has positioned himself in a a where you're looking
at the obvious here, and the obvious is this team
isn't built and ready to win just yet. That's obvious. Uh.
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You guys remember that show, that movie Big Daddy with
Adam Samah. Yeah, yeah, And I remember when his girlfriend
breaks up with him because he's just not mature enough, right,
He like he's working at a toll booth, and uh,
it really takes this kid getting interjected into his life
and it's not his kid, it's it's his buddies who
happens to be away on business. But it starts, you know,
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forcing him to mature and become you know, I just
I guess a better person all the way around. Right.
But if you recall towards the end of the movie, Uh,
the girl at one point when she sees that she's
with this older guy, she says to him, we've got
a five year planned. And I think at that point
in time, he was flipping Burgers somewhere back behind in
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the in the kitchen, and he's just like, all right,
this is the five year plan. My point is this, everyone,
everyone wants to have this idea of having a five
year plan, right. It could be in business or goal
setting or whatever they get relationships, whatever the cases. That
goes right out the window when things are already starting
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to get off course as you set a sale on
this mission, and after years one and two, you're like,
we are headed so far in the wrong direction. That
five year plan looks like it's further away than when
we started. And that's essentially what you've got in Carolina now, Matt,
It's it's not on that rule, it's not you know,
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to me looking at this roster. I mean, for starters,
Christian McCaffrey is their best player. He's barely been healthy
his first two years. You know, the quarterback play has
been great, but the online play has been great either.
You know, their defense is finally come around the second year.
They're one of the best defense in the league. But
you don't hear anyone talking about that because the wind
lost column. So this team is much better suited to
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win this year. Whether people want to acknowledge it or not,
and in partcause their defense better is better. Hopefully Christian
McCaffrey is healthy and able to be there for the
extent of it. I think they've made some moves to
help beef up their offensive line and maybe that will
help out the quarterback play, whatever the case is. Whatever
the case is. But what I like most about what
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Matt Rule did is he very uh succinctly put out
the three things that I think that stood out. And
the first that's just sitting there talking about, hey, he's
David Tepper is not the type of guy that we
talk to their coach. So it's like a warning shot
off the bow, and it almost puts out there because
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you know, I think there was a report or maybe
rumors David Tepper was talking to was Sean Payne or
someone else, there was like a report of that. Right, Well,
when the head coach comes out and makes that statement,
you're then saying yourself, okay, now that the reporters are
put on notice, like if David Tepper was to do
that and that might be something that's okay in the
business world from his background, but not okay in the
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NFL circles, then then that's a no note like people
now are on the lookout for it. The other thing
is he said a duration. He said the five years right, Well,
that's what we talked about five years five. You kept
you kind of kept hearing that, You're going, okay, Well
we're into year three. So what's David Tepper gonna do now,
because he's gonna have to answer to that if he
moves on from Matt Ruler, if he keeps him. And
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then the last thing is just basically saying like if
it came from straight from David Tepper's mouth. So now
every time David Tepper has to go to the media
more cognizant about what he's saying, because now he's got
a head coach who's drawn a line and said, whatever
our private conversations are, they're no longer private because I
will out your ask and I'll put it out there
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in public where you have to answer to the media.
Like he defended He defended David Tepper for one, He
defended him and basically gave him a vote of confidence
that you look, he's not that type of dude. He's
honesty and sometimes it just draw it takes somebody drawing
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attention to maybe a situation where you could have exercised
a little bit more character and what you did and
you you backpedal out of there and you make good
on it. I mean, I thought it was excellent to
be honest and listen, if if Temper is smart, you're
already thinking about Okay, that was that He's correct. One.
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This doesn't need to become adversarial. We are a team
until we're not. But then to the idea of looking
at where this team is, you really have to be
realistic and what it is that that you're thinking and
how you're approaching it. There are like as as you
just mentioned, Q and as I mentioned as well, this
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team is putting key pieces in place. The defense has
been and he made it a point. I mean, if
you recall his first draft, he drafted all defense, so
he clearly made it a point of focus. I'm gonna
fix the defense first and then we're gonna move over
to the offensive side of the ball. He made that
very clear and and how he drafted. So if that's
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what they came up with as a strategy, because you know,
most owners are are I'm not gonna say their hands on,
but they definitely like to know what the plan is,
so Tepper knows what the plan is, and going into
year three, if you don't see a major jump and
what it is that they're doing, you could start to
have the questions, but you would have to assume you
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are brought in a new quarterback that seemingly maybe your starter,
but right now you really don't know what you have
at that position. And if you don't really know what
you have at that position, how can you would any
with with Sean Payton have done done it? Differently? If
Sean Payton comes in this year, what is he able
to do? What is he able to do to really
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dramatically and drastically change what's going on with this team,
Because the one thing that you have to be able
to do is you have to be able to get
the quarterback. Now, does does Deshaun Watson want to go play?
If if Sean Payton takes over, Maybe that's the caveat
Maybe that's a deal. I think it was the guaranteed dollars.
I mean, I'll be honest with you, I don't know
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where Deshaun Watson really ultimately wanted to play. It sounded
like Atlanta, But the truth of the matter is if
they offered him a twun and fifty million dollar fully
guaranteed contract in Bangladesh, he probably go there. Okay, so
so that that's an appropriate country for him. If you
think I'm just saying, alright, what go to update? What
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do you mean said it last week? Because UCTs always
do this to me and that was an example, Well, no,
I'm just like, we're spanning the global support. Yeah no, no, no,
it's totally fine. And I just thought if we're spanning
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the globe, let's go on, bart did this to me
or you last week? And he's like, you got some
do it to me? He's right, He's right, it's all right. Uh,
you know they thought it was really funny. Honestly, I
really did. I really did. You know it's a guarantee
dollars there. That's why that's why were you looking at
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Jonas's eyes. What he says it is that what it
does it You're like, okay, I'm out. I just I
just knew where just the things that Jonas does with
his um yeah, I don't know, disturbing. That's why I
just don't say anything, you know, because it's in those
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moments where it's like if I were to have a comeback,
It's like one of those off air comebacks like yeah,
and I don't want to put that. I don't want
to put an off air like like how David Tepper
and and Matt head off offline conversations. I don't want
to take offline conversations and make them online. It is.
It is true. Sometimes I'll see LaVar look at the
clock and go, can I hold onto this for another
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two or three minutes? Sportivar can make the comment and
then uh, you know, that's where we are. It is.
Two Pros and a Cup was really good. And and
the and the and the and the follow through on
it was really great. Like I just gotta be honest,
it's professionals. It was all planned clearly. You can clearly
see it here on There was clearly in the rundown
when LaVar goes down this lane right here, this is
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podcast from. We talked about this at the time when
it happened. Ryan Tannehill got a lot of heat from
his comments, um, you know not, it's not my job
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to mentor Malik Willis and and so on and so forth.
So a lot of people chimed in and had some
commentary on it. Mike Rabel, his head coach, and Malik
Willis himself spoke about it over the past couple of days. First,
here was Mike Rabel having the discussion about Ryan Tannehill's
comments on Malik Willis, the newly draft quarterback there in Tennessee.
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His job is to prepare to help us win a
bunch of games and um and be a great teammate
and help out. And I know that he's going to
do that. So um that that was not um any
sort of issues for me. All right, So there was
Mike Rabel. Now let's hear from the quarterback who apparently
is not going to get any mentoring from Ryan Tannehill.
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That would be Malik Willis being asked about it from
the media that was made leak about about Ryan's comment
about not mentoring. What comment? What's that? What comment? Ryan Tannehill? Okay,
what did you did you take anything from that or
you know anything that significance or at what are your thoughts? Man?
We chopped it up. I mean, it was never anything negative.
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Ryan is a good dude and he had us, like
I said, he had us over the house. Everything's cool, man,
so much like a lot of things. Did we blow
this out of proportion? Not us, but did people in
the media blow this thing out of proportion? Is there
a phrase you keep your friends closer enemies, And yeah,
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that's the phrase that pays your enemies closer. I mean,
is he is Tannehill and any is there any threat
from maligu Willista this year? Is there any threats this year?
I think so? But why? Okay, then why did he drop?
Why did why did he fall so far in the draft?
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If they were saying that, you know, teams weren't as
high on him as maybe some people. None of it matters.
None of it matters as far as the draft. The
only thing that matters now is how Ryan Tannehill plays.
If he doesn't play well and they can't rely on
the running game, they're going to clamor for someone else.
Is last time on the field was a bad performance.
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But the truth is that's kind of been what the
playoffs have been like for him. But he's played really
well during the regular season. So they come back to
Week one every year and then you start he starts playing.
You're like, well, he's playing really well, so you can't
complain about it. Now. We'll see when we get to
the playoffs. This year it's different though. They don't have
a j. Brown, right, and so we'll see how trail
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On Brookes, you know, slides into that that maybe number
one guy or whoever else, you know, is gonna step
up in the passing game. But that's a big question mark.
So if he doesn't get off to us as fast
as starter, as hot of a start, then I think
you might hear some some fans pressuring for Melik Willis
regardless of where he was drafted. Well, you gotta also
look at the projection of where they thought he might
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get drafted, and and and maybe some people will more
so look at it as that was a value pick.
Like guys slides sometimes it's just it's not because the
guy wasn't good enough. It's just that at that certain
point in time, you're taking the one either the best
available or or two you're taking a direct need at
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that at that position, So he slid. I mean, it
just is what it is. But there were a lot. Again,
if you're looking at the draft from a critical eye
and you did your homework on the players that were going,
there were very few misses on draft picks, and my
my estimation, there were very few misses. So the fact
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that he failed to the second round and and and
ended up where he's at, for one, he should be
thanking his lucky stars for one, because while he felt
that far down in the draft, he felt to a
competitive team. That's that's first and foremost. But then secondly,
you went to a team that actually has the the
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opening or or the idea that maybe Tannehill was taking
them as far as they can go. And and if
you're looking at it from the standpoint of Tannehill is
definitely certainly good enough and in position to come into
this season and be the starter. That's without question. But
as he's going through this season, as Q just mentioned,
if he falls off, if he starts to have any
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type of of like bad go of it, a bad run,
especially by mid season, yes you're going to start to
have the conversations about Malik Willis. Yes, there's the possibilities
that you may get Malik Willis in there long before
the end of the season, giving him maybe the opportunity
to get get some impactful reps that could possibly give him,
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the coaching staff and his teammates the confidence of going
into the playoffs with that type of player in in position.
So that exists, and that's there, and Tannehill showed it
by responding the way that he did in the media,
because whether it was taken out of context, whether it
was blown out of proportion or not. He said it
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case close. He said it, and he said what he meant,
and regardless of if he meant it one way or
the other, he made it known that I'm not here
to be the dude's mentor done. No no personal harm,
no foul, there's no You don't need to hate Tanning
Hill because he doesn't want to mentor the guy. That's
he said what he felt, and he said what a
lot of guys think. I'm not going to prepare dude
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to come take my job. I might show him something,
he might do it better than I can, and that
could be the difference. I just I'm not in the
business of doingnut. Some guys aren't. By the way, when
Tannehill said that he went to therapy because he really
struggled with this playoff loss and his performance against the Bengals, um,
did he also do that the year before that or
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any the other years when they made their run and
he was throwing for like seventy yards a game, that
he also go to therapy after those games? Or was
it just this year. I'm just trying to I'm just
trying to figure out what I'm just I'm just asking him.
I just want to know, like, how passive? What do
you mean? I can't ask these questions. I just I
just want to know mental health. What was the thing?
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All right? From the bottom of the deck. Okay, uh?
Nine nine wins is the season win total from our
friends of draft kings on the Tennessee Titans. I just
did this, so okay, hold on, they just Google search.
There's this awesome website called like Playoff Predictors. You do
NFL Playoff Predictors. You can literally go through the entire
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season for every team. It's so every year I do
this just to get a fuel for it. I usually
have to do it a few times because I'll be like, man,
that team is not gonna win that many games or
they're not gonna lose that many games. But I had Tennessee.
I literally just did this at nine and eight, which
is a step back from what they've been. But I
do think their schedules really tough, and I do think
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the Colts will be better with Matt Ryan than than
what they were last year. Yeah, and so what what's
nine nine? They do have a tough schedule. Get it's
a tough schedule. There's a couple of teams like like
Detroit schedule was super easy. Like that was a team
where I kept doing the simulation and I'm like, man,
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there's no way they're gonna win that many games. But
the more you look at it, you're like, it's a
it's a lay up schedule, man, the way it sets
up with the bys and all that too. So Tennessee's
at Buffalo week two, They're, um, they're gonna be at
Kansas City and that's on a yeah. So at Kansas
City in week nine, at Green Bay on a short
week after, they play the Broncos um in week eleven.
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Then they're gonna be at the Chargers later on in
the season. Well, let's let's put it this way. They
have an early by, right, So they played Buffalo week two,
they played the Raiders week three. You get divisional matchup
week four versus the Colts, but you're on the road
for that one. Then you have your bye week six,
you get five games that you already have your by,
it's already out of the way. That's tough, man, And
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then you get the Colts on the back side of that.
Couple weeks later, the Chiefs, then Broncos, Packers, Bengals, Philly
I mean that's all playoff teams. That's like a murderous
row out of that by. It's just it's a really,
really hard schedule. Yeah, I didn't realize there's that difficult pick.
I'll tell you that nine games makes it very difficult. Yeah,
throwing a look like it was nine and a half
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Draft Kings. Can we buy a half a half game?
Pay a little more? All right? I think? I don't know.
I don't know if you can on win totals. I
know you can another bet. So, by the way, if
you're buying half points, uh, you might have a problem.
I've got a buddy who does that all the time.
It's kind of weird. You just need actions so bad
that you're willing to pay more just to get a
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half point. So you can so you can bet a
little bit. But you know, there's something of everybody out there,
and none is hard. It's hard. I didn't even want
to make a prediction. What about the games? Fox Sports
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s R to listen live. So I was watching Brady's
Birmingham Stallions in the USFL yesterday. I was watching a
little bit of the game at five and over right,
I think they're USFL. They're only home teams. So if
you knew how it was all being constructed and they're
all playing there in Birmingham, you knew that, Like, not
only is the name pretty dope, but you might want
to go with the team that has actually some fans
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in the stands. Yea, there is that. Yeah, that's true.
There is that they all have the same stands. That's
the funny thing about it. But I mean, you're not
gonna come out and support some other city of no
affiliation with. Okay, So let me ask you guys this,
all right, what would you because I was curious about
this and I reached out to somebody to get the answer,
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somebody who would know. What do you guys think would
be the betting line if Birmingham played the Georgia Bulldogs
on a neutral field. If the Birmingham Stallions, the best
USFL team right now, played the defending national champions on
a neutral field, who do you think would be favor um?
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I would say Georgia Georgia minus two and a half. Okays,
three and a half. So on a neutral field, Georgia
minus three and a half. All right, the guy reached
out to UH said Birmingham would be a seven point
favorite on a neutral field. No chance, you don't think so,
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because think about think about Birmingham's well, there's that, but
think about Birmingham's roster. You had five first round picks
on defense, or excuse me, Georgia's Georgia's roster. You had
five first round picks on defense? How many does Birmingham have? Well,
I think they chose to go to the USFL. You know.
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The one thing that I've been noticing, I just I
can't believe you're doing this. I don't really I don't
know how in shape. And when I'm watching the USFL,
I don't know how in shape all of these guys
are in. Like some of these guys look like they're
fresh off the couch, like some of them don't look
like they are in the type of physical condition that
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you gotta think the conditioning regiment of the Bulldogs is
probably far and away better than what's going on in
the USFL right now. The continuity, like the coaching staffs,
the amount of time that they spend together, if you
take that championship team, all things, given all factors, given
the amount of time they've practiced, the time they've been around,
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if they if they come together and they play, there's
no way, even with this being a pro team, there's
no way you could have them favorite, especially at seven points.
There's no way. I was surprised. I didn't. I didn't
know that was that was now pro. That's different. You
take Jacksonville and you say, can they beat uh Georgia.
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You line them up dot Doll has s thing. You said,
thirty five points, they would destroy Georgia, wouldn't. I wouldn't
say thirty five, but they would destroy a college team.
He said, yeah, thirty five point favorites Jacks Rus Georgia
neutral field, thirty five point favorites. Yeah, I wouldn't. Got
was this life that Jesus? No? Straight away from that? No, no, no,
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this is this guy's won't of the best. Steve Ask
he's one of the best. Yeah, he worked on straight
out of Vegas. I worked with him for a couple
of years. Listen, he h. I had been telling you
that's h and he knows that's interesting. Like, no, I'm
really stopping because you know, in in college, you know
when it's when it is a grossly disadvantaged team that
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that line is like large. I mean, you would assume
that any pro team could destroy any college team. You
would think that because every single position is a pro.
Every let every including the backups for are pros. We
had what six team players drafted from Georgia this year.
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It's the most most ever ever ever, so basically six
of the player and by the way, that doesn't account
for players who will be drafted next year that started
this past year, right. I mean, the one airing weakness
that where you would say it might be the case
is the quarterback. I'm just saying, like if if, if
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you're rolling out Steps and Bennett, that's where the biggest
disadvantages between Stets and beneverus Trevor Lawrence, or Stets and
benneversus whatever quarterback you want to pick on the Stallion's roster,
that's the difference. But I think it's shortsighted and not
looking at the fact that when we make that conversation
of well, when you're playing an NFL team, all those
guys are NFL players, Well, yeah, guess what all these
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dudes that Georgia are going to be NFL players, like
literally literally their entire defense are. You look at them offensively,
their old line, their wide receivers, and they're running backs
everyone that you know, they're tight ends. The only spot
is gonna be the quarterback. But in this whole hypothetical scenario,
I still think that is bonkers. I would say it's
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not Stallions, it's definitely Georgia, and then it won't be
thirty five points
It is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks
on sports radio. We had a ton of Game seven's
over the weekend, not only in the NBA but also
in the NHL. It was a fun one. It was
a wild one. A lot of people talking about the
(00:22):
Son's disastrous performance and the Dallas Mavericks who move on
to the Western Conference finals. Um, where do you, guys
stack as far as players to watch that you enjoy watching?
Where do you put Luca in the NBA right now?
As far as like, if you had to pick one
guy to watch, where does he stack up for you guys? Um?
And he's right up there. He's definitely right up there.
(00:46):
The games one is obviously more of like a he's
a savant. As far as how he plays, it's not
John Moran. We're gonna see a bunch of highlights like that.
It's more of just the way he positions his body,
finds crafty ways of getting buckets. That's the best way
of describing it. It's got some bird to him, got
some Larry Bird, don't Yeah, sure, sure you can say
that little uh, you know, I's gotta be Larry Bird.
(01:09):
What do you get that? I'm just saying, like he's
got a little bit has it got to be a
comparison to like does that make it apples to apples? No?
Just not, you know, not the most What do you
think that I'm getting at that? Just the style of play?
I mean, you know, I mean, what do you want
me to say, Dominique? Like you know it just didn't
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you know, the style of play like it just from
a little bit of Larry Bird to him and he's
only twenty three years. I don't think that's racist at
he's only he's only twenty three years. Compare him to
that's you know, we're doing the comp game. So basically
the best the best white basketball player, you know, like
for the longest time that helps save the NBA with
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with magic is the only one that you could come
up with For Luca, I would look, I don't see
I don't see color when it comes to this, I'm
just doing comps here, Like you know, I didn't know
here we go. I don't even know what Luca looks like.
To be honest with you, I just try and I
try and focus. I'm surprised you didn't compare them the dirt.
It's like dirt. I don't know, why would I do that?
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I know you know who knows why you would do that.
I believe who knows why you would do Larry Bird.
Let's let's hear from Luca. I like Luca's game though,
and he's finally and he's finally gotten to that next
plateau like she was talking about earlier. He has established
himself now moving into another place because now he's conquered
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that first round of the playoffs. But let's hear what yet? Now?
Here was Luca postcap. Honestly, I'm really happy, man. It's
you can't get the smile off my face right now.
And I'm just really happy, you know, Honestly, I think
we deserve this. We've been playing hard the whole serious.
Maybe a couple of games here we were in ourselves,
but you know, we came here with a statement Game seven.
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We believed our luckerlot believe to everybody believes. I'm just happy.
Were you aware at halftime you had as many points
as the Sons? Oh? Yeah, of course, what do you
think of that? I think I would do it? Was amazing.
He's awesome, man, and I I just if you're looking
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at who's left, and I know Brady wants to just
eliminate the Warriors. He's tired of Steph Curry and the
story of Steph Curry. If you're looking at the best
players left, it's hard to argue that he's not the
best all around. Gosh, Jason tatums up there too, it's
hard to argue that that he's not the best player
left as for twenty three years old in the postseason.
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Now he's in a Western Conference finals. I would I
would probably say Luca is the best player left in
the playoffs as far as far in the in the NBA, think, yeah, yeah,
I mean I would say him, Butler, Steph Curry obviously yeah,
Um Clay Thompsons starting to figure it out as not
in the conversation starting step step Steph, Luca, and and
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Tatum probably Butler, you know, yeah, I think that those
are the ones. Yeah. So it's gonna be fun to
see how those how those all match up. So we've
got MAVs Warriors in the Western Conference and we've also
got the cs and the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference. Uh,
you know, very uh, Brady Quinn vested interests there, Chris Quinn,
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your buddy is I'm still an assistance, although my wife
is from Boston, not that she's a huge Celtics fan.
But as I've said to you before, like I I
you know, I've I've been to a Celtics game there
and TD Garden and uh had I was wearing a
Celtics you know shirt, and meanwhile they're playing the Calves
and so I was really in conflict at that point.
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I wasn't married at that point. I wanted to root
for the Calves. However, I had to walk in there
with a Celtics shirt because I think she had got
the tickets from something within the Celtics organization, and so
it felt like it was a little bit um, a
little stage. Yeah. Well, I mean, listen, you know, maybe
uh I mean, if you know, if they're you know,
short a, you know, a broadcaster on any of these
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NBA games, maybe Drew Brees will throw his name of that,
you know. Maybe, I mean, maybe that was already out
there and that's why he was, you know, kind of
you know, playing the way that he was playing with things. Yeah,
I mean, because you know, just looking at his tweet,
I mean as we talked about earlier, he's got you know,
I mean, may play football again, may focus on business,
may train for the pickle ball tour, senior golf coaches kids.
(05:35):
Uh you know, maybe maybe broadcast an NBA game. Maybe
you can hit a jump shot or two. Maybe there's
that out there as well too. So there's there's how
about this as I try to steal this in a
different direction, just since it was such a smooth transition,
Well you can check your time. Yeah, yeah, no I
I did. Anyway, let's uh, let's talk about this. Do
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you think Drew Brees is watching what other guys are making?
A lot o? Brad has never never called a game?
Get three five million? And then you see what Troy
Aikman gets and what even Kirk herb Street gets. Because
let's not get this twisted egos a part of all
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of them. It's a part of all of it. I
mean I said this earlier when Matt Ryan goes, well, yeah,
if the Falcons hadn't been talking or pursuing Deshaun Watson,
I'd probably still be in Atlanta. Okay, So then it
was ego. Then they had nothing else to do with
try to win a Super Bowl trying to, you know,
be somewhere and be successful when games are all will
not be a part of a rebuild. It was just ego.
(06:37):
You were frustrated and upset by the fact that they
went after de Shawn Watson, and you're that guy sitting
there who's been to a Super Bowl, who's one of NFC,
has been an m v P. And it's no different
when it comes to broadcasting. Troy Aikman what he was like, No, no, no, no,
I have to be paid more than Tony Bromo. I'm
not gonna stay somewhere where I'm not getting paid more
than a guy that I was more successful than on
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the field. I'm I'm I've been in the booth longer
and I've been doing a better job, and so wherever
I go, I need to be paid more than that.
My next contract when I have that opportunity. And then
you see what Tom Brady makes none. I don't know
if that's gonna fall through or not, so who knows,
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but at least that's what they've quote unquote agreed to
terms if you will. And then you see kurkerm Street,
who look is one of the best there is in
regards to calling a game, but largely has done at
the college football level. And I think there's this thought
or understanding between guys who played at the pro level
(07:41):
of succeeded and guys who succeed at the college level.
And I'll be honest, I don't know that you could
really make the case he really did either as a player.
And so I'm sure there's some resentment or jealousy of
what he's making and what he's doing now doing Thursday
night football with Al Michaels. And meanwhile, you've got a
first ballot Hall of Famer and Drew Brees at the
(08:01):
NFL level. You know, in college, he was outstanding at Purdue,
and he's looking at it. Go on, hold on a second,
like all these dudes are getting all this money, and
yet after my first year, like I can't, I can't
get more from one of these networks. So I wonder
if this has as much to do with that and
his frustration with not purely being you know, rewarded for
(08:25):
what he did on the field instead of in the
short span of what he's done in the broadcast booth.
And that's where maybe some of this frustration is coming from.
What is what does breeze get what was this six
million a year? Like I saw a report that No,
I don't think it was anywhere close to that. Yeah,
I would, Uh, this is what I don't think it
was that. All I know is we all, especially as
(08:47):
as athletes, this former pro athletes or even current pro athletes,
you're always faced with getting a stiff, stiff, very stiff
dough of reality of of where you, where you exist.
And and I would I would venture to say the
(09:08):
lower you are on the totem pole, the easier it
is to handle that stiff dosa reality. It's the higher
parts of of of the totem pole that messes messes
with people like this guy has been amazing Holtz records
could arguably trying to debate you know what he is
as as a quarterback in terms of talent and accomplishment
(09:32):
over guys like Tom Brady, And that stiff dose of
reality is he will never be viewed as a better
quarterback as Tom Brady, Like it'll just never happen. The
next stiff dosa reality is, Larr you've gotten ahead start
in the and you know doing media work, and and
(09:54):
this guy hasn't done one day of media work at
least that I know of, and and the market is
calling for him to get this astronomical number, to come
into the booth and do what he's gonna do. The
market has spoken, and sometimes the biggest dose of reality
is you can't talk your way into getting more money.
(10:15):
Like Troy Aikman was able to get it like great,
great for him. He wanted to make more than than
Tony Romo. He was able to find a way to
to get that done. Everybody's not going to have that opportunity.
Drew Brees might not have a market for him to
make the type of money that some of these guys
are being offered. They're only making those exceptions for literally
(10:38):
one to two dudes out of network. It's closed. So
the other thing, the other thing you have to take
into consideration is what started all of this, and that
was the Romo deal, right. The Romo deal blew everything
out of the water. And it was the first time
it made you start questioning like, Okay, is it worth
(10:59):
it to pay a lead analyst that much? Because the
question comes up, are people tuning in to listen to
him and any gamble or any better or any fantasy person,
any any any passionate fan about the team will say, no,
I'm tuning in to watch my team. I don't care
who's calling the game, lavarn And I've talked you at times,
he's watching it on mute. He's not even listening to
(11:21):
the broadcast. So when you think about it from that perspective,
you're going, man, that's a big waste of money, is
it not. But here's where it came into play. CBS
and and the rights for you know, the NFL were
coming up, and around that point in time, they had
to have their number one analyst. And even though they
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had Phil Sims, who was in that position and did
a great job, arguably the greatest Super Bowl performance we've
ever seen, right, and and had that and and and
the branding from the New York Giants and all of that,
they wanted to revamp it and go with a different style.
And they pushed Tony Romo so hard in his first
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year because they had to. They had to to appease
the NFL, they had to to justify the contract that
they signed him to. Then it literally snowballed into what
it is now where I think that deal not only
made every other network cringe because they knew every number
one analyst is gonna be asking for it, but also
because of the position they're in now where those views
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or those critics aren't as favorable towards him now, and
and it's getting a little bit more exposed when you
don't prepare. And so as much as he should get
credit for kind of being a first mover to get
these contracts up in TV, he's also now the guy
that I think you could put it on him and
his agent say yeah, but now this is starting to
be that cautionary tale of will look what happened a
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few years later. You know, be careful what you wish for,
because there's gonna be a lot of scrutiny that comes
along with these guys where they get paid that much.
I don't know why you haven't gotten it yet. I
don't I don't know why you haven't been put in
the mix. It's weird. We well under contract, say, Jonas
is the one that we really are pushing are you?
Are you on your way to being you know in
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that mix? Like, here's what I'd say about all of
this is, unless you had a Hall of Fame career,
you are going to have to wait until your Kerk
Curb Street and you're gonna have to get to that
level before any network. Well, and that's that's been a
long time. But you have to think about from this
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perspective to you said it earlier, like you have to
be viewed as a media member where people kind of
forget about whatever you're playing. Career was a lot like
Chris not that people like, remember Chris Collinsworth, who was
a damn good receiver two Super Bowls. Yeah, Like, there's
no kid right now who's gonna remember that Chris collins
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They remember the Chris collins Worth they see on TV
and they're like, I really like listening to that guy.
And he was a speedster out of Florida, do you know. Yeah,
But by the way, no one remembers Street playing Ohiowa State,
But no one really remembers that was a player like
as fan will throw um a bone and show a
highlight every once in a while, but the reality is
that's not what they remember. They remember him as the
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guy dressed in a suit who does a tremendous job
analyzing college football or football in general and communicating it.
So that's the reality of it is, is you gotta
if you're gonna go that route. You've got to get
to the point where so many executives in the media
industry are like, he's he's now changed the way we
identify him. He's no longer just a player. He did play,
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but now he's a guy we view is one of
the best of the business as a broadcaster. Well, I
mean I think, uh, I think Brady is fantastic. I
think you know Brady, this Brady Quinn here. I think
you heard how bad it was analyzing the PBA yesterday.
Ye did they ask you for analysis? Ais? I mean,
I knew a little bit coming into it, but you
know it would have been a little more helpful. And
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I was actually gonna have to go on camera. I
was just like, I swear to God, the whole entire time,
I just was praying that my kids would not be
loud and like and like one of these bulls would
stepped back. In fact, at one point, Tigan, our middle child,
she made some sort of sound and and uh, I
think it was Tommy Tommy Johns was up to bull
but he he went on through with it, hit a
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strike and I was like, oh, thank god, he's Like
had it been like let's see, Lett's say he's got
to pick up a seven ten pray for the spare.
Then I'm going on, he's gonna blame it on us.
He's gonna give us death stairs the whole time, the
rest of the rest. What's funny about that is there
were kids sitting right in front of me Um and
Trish at Circus Soul, and they kept making sound effects
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and dad and this that and the other, and it.
I was mortified at the I was sitting there and
I was like, yes, I'm a parent, and and and
but it got worse and worse because they would not stop.
They would not and it kind of my and and
It's like, you know, that's good money. Our seats were
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really good seats. And I'm sitting here and I'm like,
I'm being distracted by these two kids the entire time,
talking and making sound effects the entire time. And I
would like to see, you know, these amazing physical feats
of the show. Get your money back was getting my
money back. I just sometimes it just makes you wonder, like, like,
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what the hell were you thinking to bring your kids
in here. I was more like one of these dudes
is supposed to win one hundred thousand dollars and I
am not going to be the person to blame if
they do. I would have been looking at Q if
out to her one of your kids, Maye. I would
have looked over at you, Q like I would have
gave you to look like really cute, like for real,
like this is that what you're doing? Bro? The bestest
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I had signs for rob stones. We made signs for him.
My oldest held up like an I Heart rob stone,
and then we had a hambone rob stone. But the
best was the one that gave and I gave it to.
I gave it to a leash because knew would give
a street credit within the boy community was I believe
they his name was Peter Webber where he after he
won and he freaks out and he goes, who do
you think you are? Ever sits down. I was like,
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you have to put that on a side because only
people in the in the boy community understand what that means.
And I think I think Pete Webber is a guy
who bowl with sunglasses on. I'm not mistaken. Are sunglasses
like cosmic bowling? That's so much fun. Be sure to
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days at six am Eastern, three am Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. You know
how Matt Rule, your former teammate LaVar at Penn State.
You know, he has been hearing a lot about his
job security this summer, and you know there's been some
rumors out there. The latest one was a report from
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front Front off of Sports that the Panthers are targeting
Sean Payton potentially next year to be the head coach
if they struggle again this year. Matt Rules entering year
three of the of his time there with the Carolina Panthers,
and you know, we've we've defended him in his situation
and he hasn't had the greatest quarterback options and the
fact that he's on the hot seat already is a
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bit unfair. Um. Well, he was asked about the latest
report uh in regards to Sean Payton, and um had
some interesting things to say about what's been communicated to
him from the owner, David Tepper with regards to that report.
You know, the first I heard of it, Dave called
me and told me that, you know, that it was
going to come out. You know that you know something
that they had called him and that there was nothing
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to it. You know, I know Dave Tepper well enough
to believe that he wouldn't be talking to another coach
right now. When he came to my house two and
a half years ago, he told me that this was
a five year rebuilding. That that's what he said to me,
and he convinced me then to come be a part
of it with him and build it with him. We're
not where we want to be, and I don't think
it's gonna take five years. I don't want to take
five years. But those are the words that he said
to me. Good for him, good for Matt rule. I
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put it back on him, put him on notice. Hey,
I was told something different, So I don't believe that
this is the case. Just let it be known that
you were communicated something different and now your owner has
been sort of dangling you on the hot seat all
off season. I love it. Good that you know one
thing I know for certain about Matt. He confirmed saying
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that to Temper before he said that in that in
that interview, meaning he doubled down on making sure like
we did say this is a five year rebuild, right, Yeah, Matt,
of course, five year Like yeah, I thought that's what
we talked about, Like, I thought that was what we
agreed to. Like, that is the way Matt rule operates.
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So Matt didn't just strategically and methodically put put a
chokehold on Temper in terms of what he's doing. But
but the idea of looking at where this team is
right now, they're putting some very key pieces in place,
but the one place that they don't have a key piece,
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at least seemingly yet, is at the quarterback's position. So
if you're saying it's gonna be a five year rebuild,
I mean you're basically admitting that you gotta figure out
where are you going with the quarterback situation in Carolina?
And right now, you don't know if Matt Corral is
the answer. I'm sure you know that Donald isn't. So
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how much time do you give Matt Corral to be
that difference maker for this organization? This is year three
for him, right, So this is year three and and
Matt Carroll and Sam Donald are going to fight this
out this year? Do you give him year three and four?
And say year five? If if this isn't better, like
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like convincingly better, you're out of here? Or do you say,
you know what, Matt, We're going to go in a
different direction. We thought you'd do better. Either way, Matt
Rule has positioned himself in a a where you're looking
at the obvious here, and the obvious is this team
isn't built and ready to win just yet. That's obvious. Uh.
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You guys remember that show, that movie Big Daddy with
Adam Samah. Yeah, yeah, And I remember when his girlfriend
breaks up with him because he's just not mature enough, right,
He like he's working at a toll booth, and uh,
it really takes this kid getting interjected into his life
and it's not his kid, it's it's his buddies who
happens to be away on business. But it starts, you know,
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forcing him to mature and become you know, I just
I guess a better person all the way around. Right.
But if you recall towards the end of the movie, Uh,
the girl at one point when she sees that she's
with this older guy, she says to him, we've got
a five year planned. And I think at that point
in time, he was flipping Burgers somewhere back behind in
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the in the kitchen, and he's just like, all right,
this is the five year plan. My point is this, everyone,
everyone wants to have this idea of having a five
year plan, right. It could be in business or goal
setting or whatever they get relationships, whatever the cases. That
goes right out the window when things are already starting
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to get off course as you set a sale on
this mission, and after years one and two, you're like,
we are headed so far in the wrong direction. That
five year plan looks like it's further away than when
we started. And that's essentially what you've got in Carolina now, Matt,
It's it's not on that rule, it's not you know,
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to me looking at this roster. I mean, for starters,
Christian McCaffrey is their best player. He's barely been healthy
his first two years. You know, the quarterback play has
been great, but the online play has been great either.
You know, their defense is finally come around the second year.
They're one of the best defense in the league. But
you don't hear anyone talking about that because the wind
lost column. So this team is much better suited to
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win this year. Whether people want to acknowledge it or not,
and in partcause their defense better is better. Hopefully Christian
McCaffrey is healthy and able to be there for the
extent of it. I think they've made some moves to
help beef up their offensive line and maybe that will
help out the quarterback play, whatever the case is. Whatever
the case is. But what I like most about what
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Matt Rule did is he very uh succinctly put out
the three things that I think that stood out. And
the first that's just sitting there talking about, hey, he's
David Tepper is not the type of guy that we
talk to their coach. So it's like a warning shot
off the bow, and it almost puts out there because
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you know, I think there was a report or maybe
rumors David Tepper was talking to was Sean Payne or
someone else, there was like a report of that. Right, Well,
when the head coach comes out and makes that statement,
you're then saying yourself, okay, now that the reporters are
put on notice, like if David Tepper was to do
that and that might be something that's okay in the
business world from his background, but not okay in the
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NFL circles, then then that's a no note like people
now are on the lookout for it. The other thing
is he said a duration. He said the five years right, Well,
that's what we talked about five years five. You kept
you kind of kept hearing that, You're going, okay, Well
we're into year three. So what's David Tepper gonna do now,
because he's gonna have to answer to that if he
moves on from Matt Ruler, if he keeps him. And
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then the last thing is just basically saying like if
it came from straight from David Tepper's mouth. So now
every time David Tepper has to go to the media
more cognizant about what he's saying, because now he's got
a head coach who's drawn a line and said, whatever
our private conversations are, they're no longer private because I
will out your ask and I'll put it out there
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in public where you have to answer to the media.
Like he defended He defended David Tepper for one, He
defended him and basically gave him a vote of confidence
that you look, he's not that type of dude. He's
honesty and sometimes it just draw it takes somebody drawing
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attention to maybe a situation where you could have exercised
a little bit more character and what you did and
you you backpedal out of there and you make good
on it. I mean, I thought it was excellent to
be honest and listen, if if Temper is smart, you're
already thinking about Okay, that was that He's correct. One.
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This doesn't need to become adversarial. We are a team
until we're not. But then to the idea of looking
at where this team is, you really have to be
realistic and what it is that that you're thinking and
how you're approaching it. There are like as as you
just mentioned, Q and as I mentioned as well, this
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team is putting key pieces in place. The defense has
been and he made it a point. I mean, if
you recall his first draft, he drafted all defense, so
he clearly made it a point of focus. I'm gonna
fix the defense first and then we're gonna move over
to the offensive side of the ball. He made that
very clear and and how he drafted. So if that's
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what they came up with as a strategy, because you know,
most owners are are I'm not gonna say their hands on,
but they definitely like to know what the plan is,
so Tepper knows what the plan is, and going into
year three, if you don't see a major jump and
what it is that they're doing, you could start to
have the questions, but you would have to assume you
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are brought in a new quarterback that seemingly maybe your starter,
but right now you really don't know what you have
at that position. And if you don't really know what
you have at that position, how can you would any
with with Sean Payton have done done it? Differently? If
Sean Payton comes in this year, what is he able
to do? What is he able to do to really
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dramatically and drastically change what's going on with this team,
Because the one thing that you have to be able
to do is you have to be able to get
the quarterback. Now, does does Deshaun Watson want to go play?
If if Sean Payton takes over, Maybe that's the caveat
Maybe that's a deal. I think it was the guaranteed dollars.
I mean, I'll be honest with you, I don't know
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where Deshaun Watson really ultimately wanted to play. It sounded
like Atlanta, But the truth of the matter is if
they offered him a twun and fifty million dollar fully
guaranteed contract in Bangladesh, he probably go there. Okay, so
so that that's an appropriate country for him. If you
think I'm just saying, alright, what go to update? What
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do you mean said it last week? Because UCTs always
do this to me and that was an example, Well, no,
I'm just like, we're spanning the global support. Yeah no, no, no,
it's totally fine. And I just thought if we're spanning
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the globe, let's go on, bart did this to me
or you last week? And he's like, you got some
do it to me? He's right, He's right, it's all right. Uh,
you know they thought it was really funny. Honestly, I
really did. I really did. You know it's a guarantee
dollars there. That's why that's why were you looking at
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Jonas's eyes. What he says it is that what it
does it You're like, okay, I'm out. I just I
just knew where just the things that Jonas does with
his um yeah, I don't know, disturbing. That's why I
just don't say anything, you know, because it's in those
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moments where it's like if I were to have a comeback,
It's like one of those off air comebacks like yeah,
and I don't want to put that. I don't want
to put an off air like like how David Tepper
and and Matt head off offline conversations. I don't want
to take offline conversations and make them online. It is.
It is true. Sometimes I'll see LaVar look at the
clock and go, can I hold onto this for another
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two or three minutes? Sportivar can make the comment and
then uh, you know, that's where we are. It is.
Two Pros and a Cup was really good. And and
the and the and the and the follow through on
it was really great. Like I just gotta be honest,
it's professionals. It was all planned clearly. You can clearly
see it here on There was clearly in the rundown
when LaVar goes down this lane right here, this is
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podcast from. We talked about this at the time when
it happened. Ryan Tannehill got a lot of heat from
his comments, um, you know not, it's not my job
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to mentor Malik Willis and and so on and so forth.
So a lot of people chimed in and had some
commentary on it. Mike Rabel, his head coach, and Malik
Willis himself spoke about it over the past couple of days. First,
here was Mike Rabel having the discussion about Ryan Tannehill's
comments on Malik Willis, the newly draft quarterback there in Tennessee.
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His job is to prepare to help us win a
bunch of games and um and be a great teammate
and help out. And I know that he's going to
do that. So um that that was not um any
sort of issues for me. All right, So there was
Mike Rabel. Now let's hear from the quarterback who apparently
is not going to get any mentoring from Ryan Tannehill.
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That would be Malik Willis being asked about it from
the media that was made leak about about Ryan's comment
about not mentoring. What comment? What's that? What comment? Ryan Tannehill? Okay,
what did you did you take anything from that or
you know anything that significance or at what are your thoughts? Man?
We chopped it up. I mean, it was never anything negative.
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Ryan is a good dude and he had us, like
I said, he had us over the house. Everything's cool, man,
so much like a lot of things. Did we blow
this out of proportion? Not us, but did people in
the media blow this thing out of proportion? Is there
a phrase you keep your friends closer enemies, And yeah,
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that's the phrase that pays your enemies closer. I mean,
is he is Tannehill and any is there any threat
from maligu Willista this year? Is there any threats this year?
I think so? But why? Okay, then why did he drop?
Why did why did he fall so far in the draft?
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If they were saying that, you know, teams weren't as
high on him as maybe some people. None of it matters.
None of it matters as far as the draft. The
only thing that matters now is how Ryan Tannehill plays.
If he doesn't play well and they can't rely on
the running game, they're going to clamor for someone else.
Is last time on the field was a bad performance.
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But the truth is that's kind of been what the
playoffs have been like for him. But he's played really
well during the regular season. So they come back to
Week one every year and then you start he starts playing.
You're like, well, he's playing really well, so you can't
complain about it. Now. We'll see when we get to
the playoffs. This year it's different though. They don't have
a j. Brown, right, and so we'll see how trail
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On Brookes, you know, slides into that that maybe number
one guy or whoever else, you know, is gonna step
up in the passing game. But that's a big question mark.
So if he doesn't get off to us as fast
as starter, as hot of a start, then I think
you might hear some some fans pressuring for Melik Willis
regardless of where he was drafted. Well, you gotta also
look at the projection of where they thought he might
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get drafted, and and and maybe some people will more
so look at it as that was a value pick.
Like guys slides sometimes it's just it's not because the
guy wasn't good enough. It's just that at that certain
point in time, you're taking the one either the best
available or or two you're taking a direct need at
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that at that position, So he slid. I mean, it
just is what it is. But there were a lot. Again,
if you're looking at the draft from a critical eye
and you did your homework on the players that were going,
there were very few misses on draft picks, and my
my estimation, there were very few misses. So the fact
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that he failed to the second round and and and
ended up where he's at, for one, he should be
thanking his lucky stars for one, because while he felt
that far down in the draft, he felt to a
competitive team. That's that's first and foremost. But then secondly,
you went to a team that actually has the the
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opening or or the idea that maybe Tannehill was taking
them as far as they can go. And and if
you're looking at it from the standpoint of Tannehill is
definitely certainly good enough and in position to come into
this season and be the starter. That's without question. But
as he's going through this season, as Q just mentioned,
if he falls off, if he starts to have any
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type of of like bad go of it, a bad run,
especially by mid season, yes you're going to start to
have the conversations about Malik Willis. Yes, there's the possibilities
that you may get Malik Willis in there long before
the end of the season, giving him maybe the opportunity
to get get some impactful reps that could possibly give him,
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the coaching staff and his teammates the confidence of going
into the playoffs with that type of player in in position.
So that exists, and that's there, and Tannehill showed it
by responding the way that he did in the media,
because whether it was taken out of context, whether it
was blown out of proportion or not. He said it
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case close. He said it, and he said what he meant,
and regardless of if he meant it one way or
the other, he made it known that I'm not here
to be the dude's mentor done. No no personal harm,
no foul, there's no You don't need to hate Tanning
Hill because he doesn't want to mentor the guy. That's
he said what he felt, and he said what a
lot of guys think. I'm not going to prepare dude
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to come take my job. I might show him something,
he might do it better than I can, and that
could be the difference. I just I'm not in the
business of doingnut. Some guys aren't. By the way, when
Tannehill said that he went to therapy because he really
struggled with this playoff loss and his performance against the Bengals, um,
did he also do that the year before that or
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any the other years when they made their run and
he was throwing for like seventy yards a game, that
he also go to therapy after those games? Or was
it just this year. I'm just trying to I'm just
trying to figure out what I'm just I'm just asking him.
I just want to know, like, how passive? What do
you mean? I can't ask these questions. I just I
just want to know mental health. What was the thing?
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All right? From the bottom of the deck. Okay, uh?
Nine nine wins is the season win total from our
friends of draft kings on the Tennessee Titans. I just
did this, so okay, hold on, they just Google search.
There's this awesome website called like Playoff Predictors. You do
NFL Playoff Predictors. You can literally go through the entire
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season for every team. It's so every year I do
this just to get a fuel for it. I usually
have to do it a few times because I'll be like, man,
that team is not gonna win that many games or
they're not gonna lose that many games. But I had Tennessee.
I literally just did this at nine and eight, which
is a step back from what they've been. But I
do think their schedules really tough, and I do think
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the Colts will be better with Matt Ryan than than
what they were last year. Yeah, and so what what's
nine nine? They do have a tough schedule. Get it's
a tough schedule. There's a couple of teams like like
Detroit schedule was super easy. Like that was a team
where I kept doing the simulation and I'm like, man,
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there's no way they're gonna win that many games. But
the more you look at it, you're like, it's a
it's a lay up schedule, man, the way it sets
up with the bys and all that too. So Tennessee's
at Buffalo week two, They're, um, they're gonna be at
Kansas City and that's on a yeah. So at Kansas
City in week nine, at Green Bay on a short
week after, they play the Broncos um in week eleven.
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Then they're gonna be at the Chargers later on in
the season. Well, let's let's put it this way. They
have an early by, right, So they played Buffalo week two,
they played the Raiders week three. You get divisional matchup
week four versus the Colts, but you're on the road
for that one. Then you have your bye week six,
you get five games that you already have your by,
it's already out of the way. That's tough, man, And
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then you get the Colts on the back side of that.
Couple weeks later, the Chiefs, then Broncos, Packers, Bengals, Philly
I mean that's all playoff teams. That's like a murderous
row out of that by. It's just it's a really,
really hard schedule. Yeah, I didn't realize there's that difficult pick.
I'll tell you that nine games makes it very difficult. Yeah,
throwing a look like it was nine and a half
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Draft Kings. Can we buy a half a half game?
Pay a little more? All right? I think? I don't know.
I don't know if you can on win totals. I
know you can another bet. So, by the way, if
you're buying half points, uh, you might have a problem.
I've got a buddy who does that all the time.
It's kind of weird. You just need actions so bad
that you're willing to pay more just to get a
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half point. So you can so you can bet a
little bit. But you know, there's something of everybody out there,
and none is hard. It's hard. I didn't even want
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(39:43):
s R to listen live. So I was watching Brady's
Birmingham Stallions in the USFL yesterday. I was watching a
little bit of the game at five and over right,
I think they're USFL. They're only home teams. So if
you knew how it was all being constructed and they're
all playing there in Birmingham, you knew that, Like, not
only is the name pretty dope, but you might want
to go with the team that has actually some fans
(40:05):
in the stands. Yea, there is that. Yeah, that's true.
There is that they all have the same stands. That's
the funny thing about it. But I mean, you're not
gonna come out and support some other city of no
affiliation with. Okay, So let me ask you guys this,
all right, what would you because I was curious about
this and I reached out to somebody to get the answer,
(40:26):
somebody who would know. What do you guys think would
be the betting line if Birmingham played the Georgia Bulldogs
on a neutral field. If the Birmingham Stallions, the best
USFL team right now, played the defending national champions on
a neutral field, who do you think would be favor um?
(40:48):
I would say Georgia Georgia minus two and a half. Okays,
three and a half. So on a neutral field, Georgia
minus three and a half. All right, the guy reached
out to UH said Birmingham would be a seven point
favorite on a neutral field. No chance, you don't think so,
(41:11):
because think about think about Birmingham's well, there's that, but
think about Birmingham's roster. You had five first round picks
on defense, or excuse me, Georgia's Georgia's roster. You had
five first round picks on defense? How many does Birmingham have? Well,
I think they chose to go to the USFL. You know.
(41:31):
The one thing that I've been noticing, I just I
can't believe you're doing this. I don't really I don't
know how in shape. And when I'm watching the USFL,
I don't know how in shape all of these guys
are in. Like some of these guys look like they're
fresh off the couch, like some of them don't look
like they are in the type of physical condition that
(41:52):
you gotta think the conditioning regiment of the Bulldogs is
probably far and away better than what's going on in
the USFL right now. The continuity, like the coaching staffs,
the amount of time that they spend together, if you
take that championship team, all things, given all factors, given
the amount of time they've practiced, the time they've been around,
(42:15):
if they if they come together and they play, there's
no way, even with this being a pro team, there's
no way you could have them favorite, especially at seven points.
There's no way. I was surprised. I didn't. I didn't
know that was that was now pro. That's different. You
take Jacksonville and you say, can they beat uh Georgia.
(42:36):
You line them up dot Doll has s thing. You said,
thirty five points, they would destroy Georgia, wouldn't. I wouldn't
say thirty five, but they would destroy a college team.
He said, yeah, thirty five point favorites Jacks Rus Georgia
neutral field, thirty five point favorites. Yeah, I wouldn't. Got
was this life that Jesus? No? Straight away from that? No, no, no,
(42:59):
this is this guy's won't of the best. Steve Ask
he's one of the best. Yeah, he worked on straight
out of Vegas. I worked with him for a couple
of years. Listen, he h. I had been telling you
that's h and he knows that's interesting. Like, no, I'm
really stopping because you know, in in college, you know
when it's when it is a grossly disadvantaged team that
(43:21):
that line is like large. I mean, you would assume
that any pro team could destroy any college team. You
would think that because every single position is a pro.
Every let every including the backups for are pros. We
had what six team players drafted from Georgia this year.
(43:44):
It's the most most ever ever ever, so basically six
of the player and by the way, that doesn't account
for players who will be drafted next year that started
this past year, right. I mean, the one airing weakness
that where you would say it might be the case
is the quarterback. I'm just saying, like if if, if
(44:06):
you're rolling out Steps and Bennett, that's where the biggest
disadvantages between Stets and beneverus Trevor Lawrence, or Stets and
benneversus whatever quarterback you want to pick on the Stallion's roster,
that's the difference. But I think it's shortsighted and not
looking at the fact that when we make that conversation
of well, when you're playing an NFL team, all those
guys are NFL players, Well, yeah, guess what all these
(44:27):
dudes that Georgia are going to be NFL players, like
literally literally their entire defense are. You look at them offensively,
their old line, their wide receivers, and they're running backs
everyone that you know, they're tight ends. The only spot
is gonna be the quarterback. But in this whole hypothetical scenario,
I still think that is bonkers. I would say it's
(44:48):
not Stallions, it's definitely Georgia, and then it won't be
thirty five points
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